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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 17:56:17 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: More Massachusetts Vital Records Dear WRG, Today I visited the Library of Congress to see what additional vital records from Massachusetts towns I could find. In particular, I wanted to finish the job of extracting the VRs of Canton/Stoughton, Milton, Watertown, and Worcester, which had only been done up to 1800. I also wanted to search to see if there were published VRs for other towns. The results are below. Canton/Stoughton: Births WHITNEY, Horace, of Canton, and Miss Marillo Simons of Lowell, int. 20 Jul 1834. [p. 247] Milton: No further additions Watertown: vol. 3 p. 196: WHITNEY, Catharine, of Watertown, and Francis S. Hooker, of Rutland, m. 17 Feb 1803. p. 197: WHITNEY, Patty, of Watertown, and Alfred Skilton of Charlestown, m. 11 Nov 1804. p. 197: WHITNEY, Dorothy, and Nathaniel Bright, b. of Watertown, m. 9 May 1805. p. 197: WHITNEY, Esther, and Zaccheus Pond, b. of Watertown, m. 9 Oct 1806. p. 198: WHITNEY, Nathaniel Ruggles, Jr., and Sally Stone, b. of Watertown, m. 1 Dec 1806. p. 198: WHITNEY, Sally, and John Hunting, b. of Watertown, m. 19 Apr 1807. p. 198: WHITNEY, Maria, and Joel Smith, Jr., b. of Watertown, m. 11 May 1807. p. 199: WHITNEY, Grace, and Samuel Cook, b. of Watertown, m. 14 Jan 1808. p. 199: WHITNEY, Israel, and Sally Barnard, b. of Watertown, m. 12 Jan 1808. p. 199: WHITNEY, Charles, and Ruth Chenery, b. of Watertown, m. 17 Feb 1808. p. 200: WHITNEY, Rhoda, and John Russell, b. of Watertown, m. 2 Jul 1809. p. 202: WHITNEY, Nathaniel Ruggles, s. Nathaniel Ruggles, Junr., and Sally, b. 21 Apr 1808. p. 202: WHITNEY, Alexander, s. Nathaniel Ruggles, Junr., and Sally, b. 12 Mar 1810. p. 203: WHITNEY, Jonathan Stone, s. Nathaniel Ruggles, Junr., and Sally, b. 20 Apr 1811. p. 203: WHITNEY, James Frothingham, s. Nathaniel Ruggles, Junr., and Sally, b. 2 Mar 1813. p. 206: WHITNEY, Hannah, of Watertown, and Joseph F. Tufts of Charlestown, m. 13 Apr 1815. p. 210: WHITNEY, Francis, and Harriet Lincoln, b. of Watertown, m. 1 Jan 1816. p. 210: WHITNEY, Elisha, and Charlotte Williams, b. of Watertown, m. 9 Jan 1816. p. 211: WHITNEY, Edward, s. Nathaniel Ruggles, Junr., and Sally, b. 6 Jun 1815. p. 213: WHITNEY, Sarah Watson, d. Nathaniel Ruggles, Junr., and Sally, b. 18 Jun 1817. p. 214: WHITNEY, Mary, and John Bell, b. of Watertown, m. 20 Jul 1817. p. 214: WHITNEY, Leonard, and Ruth Larrabee, b. of Watertown, m. 31 Aug 1817. p. 215: WHITNEY, Jonathan, Junr., of Watertown, and Abigail Hammond of Newton, m. 14 Sep 1817. p. 216: WHITNEY, Alvarus, s. Ezekiel and Catharine, b. 13 Jan 1800. p. 216: WHITNEY, Cromwell, s. Ezekiel and Catharine, b. 17 Nov 1801. p. 216: WHITNEY, Lydia, d. Ezekiel and Catharine, b. 25 Apr 1804. p. 216: WHITNEY, Nahum, s. Ezekiel and Catharine, b. 14 Jun 1806. p. 216: WHITNEY, Otis, s. Ezekiel and Catharine, b. 11 Aug 1808. p. 216: WHITNEY, Washington, s. Ezekiel and Catharine, b. 29 Aug 1812. p. 217: WHITNEY, James, s. Ezekiel and Catharine, b. 12 Mar 1815. p. 217: WHITNEY, Walter, s. Ezekiel and Catharine, b. 18 Nov 1817. p. 221: WHITNEY, Charlotte Augusta, d. Elisha and Charlotte, b. 12 Oct 1816. p. 221: WHITNEY, Ann Rebecca, d. Nath. R., Junr. and Sally, b. 2 Sep 1821. p. 222: WHITNEY, Moses, Jr. and Hannah EUSTIS, b. of Watertown, m. 29 Jan 1821. p. 223: WHITNEY, Alvarious, of Watertown, and Catharine Larabee of Waltham, m. 14 Jul 1822. p. 230: WHITNEY, Catharine, of Watertown, and Francis S. Hooker of Rutland, int. 6 Jan 1803. p. 231: WHITNEY, Patty, of Watertown, and Alfred Skilton of Charlestown, int. 21 Sep 1804. p. 232: WHITNEY, Elisha, of Watertown, and Sukey Corey of East Sudbury, int. 12 Mar 1805. p. 232: WHITNEY, Esther, and Zaccheus Pond, b. of Watertown, int. 23 Aug 1805. p. 232: WHITNEY, Nathl. R., Junr. and Sally Stone, b. of Watertown, int. 1 Nov 1806. p. 233: WHITNEY, Sally, and John Hunting, b. of Watertown, int. 10 Jan 1807. p. 233: WHITNEY, Maria, and Joel Smith, Junr., b. of Watertown, int. 10 Jan 1807. p. 233: WHITNEY, Grace, and Samuel Cook, b. of Watertown, int. 5 Dec 1807. p. 233: WHITNEY, Israel, and Sally Bernard, b. of Watertown, int. 5 Dec 1807. p. 233: WHITNEY, Charles, and Ruth Chenery, b. of Watertown, int. 30 Jan 1808. p. 235: WHITNEY, Rhoda, and John Russell, b. of Watertown, int. 4 Jun 1809. p. 236: WHITNEY, Amos, of Watertown, and Martha Priest of Waltham, int. 20 Oct 1810. p. 237: WHITNEY, Francis, of Watertown, and Mary Marshall of Dover, int. 10 Sep 1811. p. 239: WHITNEY, Hannah, of Watertown, and Joseph Tufts of Charlestown, int. 12 Mar 1815. p. 239: WHITNEY, Israel, of Watertown, and Sally Mills of Needham, int. 29 Apr 1815. p. 239: WHITNEY, Francis, and Harriot Lincoln, b. of Watertown, int. 4 Nov 1815. p. 239: WHITNEY, Elisha, and Charlotte Williams, b. of Watertown, int. 17 Dec 1815. p. 240: WHITNEY, Jonathan, Jr., of Watertown, and Abigail Hammond of Newton, int. 22 Jul 1817. p. 240: WHITNEY, Leonard, and Ruth Larrabee, b. of Watertown, int. 17 Aug 1817. p. 240: WHITNEY, Sally Morse, and Abradatus Farrow, b. of Watertown, int. 4 Oct 1818. p. 242: WHITNEY, Mary, and John Bell, b. of Watertown, int. 29 Jun 1817. p. 242: WHITNEY, Moses, Jr., and Hannah Eustis, b. of Watertown, int. 3 Dec 1820. p. 242: WHITNEY, Horatio, of Watertown, and Elizabeth Greenwood of Sherborn, int. 5 May 1821. p. 243: WHITNEY, Alvarious, of Watertown, and Catharine Larabee of Waltham, int. 24 Jun 1822. Worcester Births, pp. 276-277 WHITNEY, Abigail, d. Israel and Lucy, Jan. 11, 1813. WHITNEY, Eliza, d. Israel and Lucy, Jan. 17, 1822. WHITNEY, Ellen-Elizabeth, d. Thaddeus-L. and Elizabeth-S., Aug. 20, 1847. WHITNEY, Elmira, d. Israel and Lucy, Feb. 2, 1818. WHITNEY, Emma-Frances, d. Samuel-N. and Elvira, March 2, 1843. WHITNEY, Henry-Clifford, s. Henry and Jane, Aug. 3, 1848. WHITNEY, Jane-Elizabeth, d. Leonard and Abigail-E., Sept. 7, 1837. WHITNEY, John, s. Israel and Lucy, April 9, 1820. WHITNEY, Joshua, s. Israel and Lucy, March 30, 1815. WHITNEY, Julia, d. Israel and Lucy, June 30, 1807. WHITNEY, Lucy-M., d. Israel and Lucy, June 14, 1809. WHITNEY, Nancy, d. of Israel and Lucy, Sept. 8, 1802. WHITNEY, Polly, d. of Israel and Lucy, May 2, 1805. WHITNEY, Sally, d. of Isarel and Lucy, June 13, 1800. WHITNEY, _____, s. of Jarvis-C. and Lydia-F., Sept. 20, 1847. Marriages, pp. 443-444 WHITNEY, Aaron-F., and Mary-Ann Reed, Dec. 25, 1844. WHITNEY, Abigail, and Jonas Hartshorn, Aug. 10, 1848. WHITNEY, Amos, and Betsey Parker of Shrewsbury, Oct. 1, 1800. WHITNEY, Betsey, and Luther Legg, b. of Upton, Aug. 28, 1832. WHITNEY, Charles, of Norwich, Ct., and Elizabeth-P. Day, Jan. 23, 1840. WHITNEY, Eliza, and David Fiske of Framingham, Jan. 28, 1846. WHITNEY, Fanny, and William R. Fiske, April 14, 1846. WHITNEY, Henry, of Richmond, Va., and Jane-H. Puffer, April 21, 1846. WHITNEY, Henry-S. of Stafford, Ct., and M. Pratt, Sept. 10, 1839. WHITNEY, H. S., and Flora Stocking, Aug. 19, 1846. WHITNEY, Israel, and Lucy Mahan, Feb. 23, 1800. WHITNEY, John, and Marietta Parks, Nov. 25, 1847. WHITNEY, Joshua, and Caroline Pope, Sept. 28, 1839. WHITNEY, Julia, and John-C. Greenleaf of Warren, N.H., Jan. 2, 1828. WHITNEY, Levi, and Susan Sweetser, March 31, 1846. WHITNEY, Lucy-M., and Asa Thayer, Jr., of Paris, Me., May 28, 1832. WHITNEY, Marshall, of Hopkinton, and Caroline-W. Baker, Oct. 15, 1839. WHITNEY, Mary, and Calvin Flagg of West Boylston, April 22, 1834. WHITNEY, Prudence-A., and William Hovey, Feb. 27, 1812. WHITNEY, Sally, and Rev. David-A. Grosvenor of Uxbridge, May 5, 1835. WHITNEY, Samuel-N., and Mrs. Elvira Lewis, Jan. 13, 1841. WHITNEY, Sumner-A., and Sarah-L. Chapin, Jan. 5, 1848. WHITNEY, Thaddeus-L., and Elizabeth-S. Knights, Feb. 3, 1846. Deaths, p. 524 WHITNEY, Harriet-M.-B., 13m., d. Dexter-O., Sept. 1, 1838. WHITNEY, Samuel, of W. Cambrdige, 47, Jan. 27, 1844. WHITNEY, Sarah-L., 19, w. A. and d. William-B. and Sarah-Champlin Sumner, Feb. 23, 1848. WHITNEY, _____, ch. J.-C. and Lydia-T., Sept. 20, 1847. These have been added to the appropriate pages at the website: <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/mass/stoughton.html> <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/mass/watertown.html> <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/mass/worcester.html> and will be added to the combined index at <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/mass/combined/index.html> More on the fruits of my trip later. Regards, Robert Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 12:52:29 +0000 To: [email protected], [email protected] From: Malcolm Bebb <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney Welsh Weddings 1840-1877 Hi all, I've acquired a list of a few Whitney weddings at Llanelly (Hill) Church, Breconshire. Other names mentioned are Morgan Booth Price Jones Francis. The list is at: http://www.embetech.demon.co.uk/gene/whitney/whitweds.htm for the time being. Regards, Malcolm -- Malcolm Bebb : [email protected] Voice/fax 01202 772162 Embetronics Ltd : Contract ATE, test methods and technical writing Online CV:- http://www.embetech.demon.co.uk/embetronics/bebbcv.htm Bebb family web site: http://www.embetech.demon.co.uk/gene/bebb.htm Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 06:23:44 -0800 From: Brenda & Paul Nichols <[email protected]> Organization: Feline Hotel To: [email protected] Subject: [Fwd: [TSL] The Spring Fleet, NY to NB, 1783] From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 01:49:50 -0500 To: [email protected] Subject: [TSL] The Spring Fleet, NY to NB, 1783 I have found a listing of the following ships of the Spring Fleet of 1783 that carried loyalists from NY to New Brunswick. 1. Eagle 2. Union 3. Cyrus 4. Two Sisters Sylvanus WHITNEY/Joseph GORHAM 5. Hopewell Henry THOMAS 6. Symmetry John FORRESTER 7. William & Mary Richard HILL 8. Generous Friends Thomas ELMS 9. Montague Peter HUGGEFORD 10.Thames John COCK 11.Bridgewater Joseph CLARKE/James HOYT 12.Amity's Production Thomas WELSH 13.Tartar Oliver BOURDETTE 14.Duchess of Gorden Asher DUNHAM 15.three Sisters Thomas HUGGERFORD 16.William William WRIGHT 17.Lord Townsend John PERSEREAU 18.Duchess of Gordon Abiather CAMP The names indicate the loyalist leader, not the Captain. They arrived from June to August. It's my understanding that there are passenger lists existing for the first 3. Can anyone tell me how to find the Ship's Captain's names? Does anyone have access to the 3 passenger lists? I think that they can be found in Provincial archives in Frederickton, NB. I will appreciate any help on this project. Ozzi [email protected]

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 22:10:15 To: [email protected], [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Ashby, MA, Vital Records to 1890

Dear WRG,

I have just posted the Ashby VRs to my website:

 <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/mass/ashby.html>

I found a copy of this book during my recent visit to the Library of Congress. Included is the marriage of Jeanne Muse's great-great-great-grandfather, Benjamin WHITNEY, to Mehitable WHITCOMB.

I love the name of one bride, Sophronia BORING! <GRIN>

Here is a transcription.

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Jeannette D. Pingrey, comp., _Birth, Marriage, and Death Records in the Town

 of Ashby, Massachusetts_, from 1754 to 1890, Decorah, IA: Anundsen
 Publishing Company, c. 1989.

Births

Pages 88-90

WHITNEY

    Arthur Erwin, s. Lemuel and Isabel, farmer, June 11, 1891.
    Bertha May, d. John C. and Mary W. (Pillsbury), miller, June 4, 1869.
    Betsey, d. Silas and Patience, at Stow, Apr. 27, 1785.
    Betsey, d. Isaac and Susanna, Oct. 30, 1792.
    Charles E., s. John B. and Harriet, Mar. 16, 1837.
    Charles Oren, s. Edwin and Elisa Jane, blacksmith, June 7, 1866.
    David, s. Isaac and Susanna, at Ashburnham, Mar. 14, 1789.
    David, s. Judah and Mary, Oct. 28, 1800.
    Dolly, d. Ephraim and Sarah, at Ashburnham, Jan. 10, 1784.
    Dorothy, d. Silas and Patience, Apr. 1, 1797.
    Ella Urania, d. John P. and Urania, farner [sic], Oct. 29, 1857.
    Ellis, s. Josiah and Polly, Dec. 17, 1805.
    Ephraim, s. Silas and Patience, at Stow, Feb. 29, 1787 [sic].
    Fannie Maria, d. twin, John P. and Urania (Stearns), farmer, July 30,
      1869.
    Frank Stearns, s. John P. and Urania (Stearns), farmer, July 30, 1869.
    Frank, s. John P., farmer, July 3, 1864.
    George A., s. Lemuel and Sarah, Aug. 2, 1804.
    Grace, d. Auren J., and Mary C., teacher, May 21, 1886.
    Harriet F., d. William and Fanny, Sep. 15, 1827.
    Harriet M., d. William and Fanny, Oct. 27, 1845.
    Horatio N., s. Lemuel and Sarah, Aug. 10, 1806.
    Isaac F., s. John B. and Harriet, May 23, 1839.
    Isaac, s. Isaac and Susanna, at Ashburnham, Jan. 18, 1787.
    James, s. Silas and Patience, Aug. 14, 1791.
    John C., s. John B. and Harriet, Feb. 9, 1832.
    John E., s. Josiah and Polly, Apr. 7, 1801.
    John M., s. Josiah, Jr., and Rebecca, Mar. 1, 1818.
    John P., s. William and Fanny, Mar. 6, 1831.
    John, s. Silas and Patience, at Stow, Nov. 20, 1782.
    Jonas P., s. Josiah and Polly, Sep. 22, 1793.
    Josiah D., s. Jonas P. and Rebecca, Nov. 7, 1818.
    Josiah, at Stow, Nov. 22, 1750.
    Josiah, s. Josiah and Polly, at Waltham, Mar. 24, 1791.
    Judah W., s. Judah and Mary, Oct. 1, 1805.
    Lewis M., s. David and Charlotte, Mar. 4, 1819.
    Louisa, d. Lemuel and Sarah, Jan. 17, 1802.
    Louisa, d. Lemuel and Sarah, May 1, 1808.
    Lucy A., d. Josiah, Jr., and Rebecca, Sep. 13, 1816.
    Mary J., d. John B. and Harriet, Oct. 23, 1833.
    Mary, d. Judah and Mary, at Ashburnham, June 6, 1794.
    Mary, d. Josiah and Polly, at Waltham, Sep. 14, 1796.
    Mary, d. Lemuel and Sarah, Mar. 12, 1812.
    Mayron, s. William and Fanny, Jan. 11, 1825.
    Myron W., s. William and Fanny, Jan. 11, 1825.
    Myron W., s. William and Fanny, Sep. 6, 1835.
    Nabby, ch. Isaac and Susanna, Mar. 12, 1798.
    Nancy, d. Josiah and Polly, Mar. 29, 1803.
    Nellie Eliza, d. John P. and Urana A., farmer, Nov. 27, 1866.
    Olive W., d. Judah and Mary, May 30, 1797.
    Polly, d. Silas and Patience, July 13, 1795.
    Polly, d. Isaac and Susanna, Feb. 3, 1796.
    Rachel, d. Ephraim and Sarah, at Ashburnham, Apr. 10, 1783.
    Rebecca, d. Jonas P. and Rebecca, June 26, 1815.
    Sally, d. Josiah and Polly, at Waltham, Mar. 19, 1792.
    Samuel, s. Silas and Patience, at Stow, Feb. 9, 1789.
    Samuel, s. twin, Isaac and Susanna, July 2, 1807.
    Sarah, d. Lemuel and Sarah, Dec. 10, 1814.
    Silas, s. Silas and Patience, at Stow, Jan. 15, 1781.
    Simon, s. Judah and Mary, at Ashburnham, July 2, 1792.
    Susan, d. Silas and Patience, July 1, 1793.
    Susanna, d. Isaac and Susanna, at Ashburnham, Mar. 14, 1791.
    Theodore, s. John B. and Harriet, Apr. 29, 1830.
    William, s. Josiah and Polly, at Lincoln, July 20, 1798.
    Zimri, d. twin, Isaac and Susanna, July 2, 1807.
    _____, s. Edwin, blacksmith, Dec. 20, 1861.

Marriages

Pages 183-184

WHITNEY

    Auren J., a. 31y., teacher, of Gardner, s. Joshua and Mehitable C., and
      Mary C. Wellington, a. 31y., teacher, d. Liberty and Caroline, Dec. 25,
      1884.
    Benjamin, of Fitchburg, and Mehitable Whitcomb, of Fitchburg, May 6,
      1824.
    Dolly, and Benjamin Foster, Mar. 16, 1809.
    Edwin, 2nd m., a. 32y., merchant, s. Dwell and Emily, and Lizzie E.
      Wheeler, a. 29y., d. Oliver and May, June 16, 1868.
    Ella U., a. 21y., d. John P. and Wilma A., and Melvin W. Jefts, a. 23y.,
      farmer, s. J. M. and
    Betsey, June 5, 1879.
    Etta J., a. 21y., d. Edward C. and Jane, and Fred G. Bugbee, a. 21y.,
      carpenter, of Fitchburg, s.
    Oliver L. and Melvina R., Sep. 8, 1886.
    Frederick L., a. 23y., chair maker, s. Edwin and Eliza, and Laura E.
      Curtis, a. 21y., of Templeton, d. Levi C. and Maria, Aug. 27, 1885.
    Hannah, of Mason, NH, and Joshua Shattuck, Mar. 3, 1856.
    Hattie M., a. 24y., d. William and Fannie, and Alonzo A. Carr, a. 33y.,
      manufacturer, s. John and
    Sophronia, Jan. 12, 1870.
    James, 2nd m., a. 51y., mechanic, of Fitchburg, s. Jonas P. and Rebecca,
      and Lucy E. Damon, a. 29y., d. Joseph and Olive, May 6, 1875.
    John B., and Harriet Cushing, Mar. 1, 1829.
    John M., and Emma A. Willard, Mar. 26, 1840.
    John B., 2nd m., a. 75y., farmer, s. Josiah and Polly, and Sophronia
      Boring, 2nd m., a. 60y., d. David and Polly Hamblet, June 15, 1876.
    Jonas P., and Rebecca Piper, Feb. 22, 1815.
    Jonas, of Fitchburg, and Elizabeth C. Rice, Apr. 11, 1850.
    Jonathan, of Sterling, and Lucy Spaulding, Jan. 23, 1823.
    Jonathan, of Waltham, and Sarah Bedlow, Oct. 31, 1804.
    Josiah, of Stow, and Sarah Farr, of Stow, Sep. 9, 1751.
    Josiah, of Waltham, and Mary Barrett, Feb. 18, 1790.
    Lewis W., a. 27y., farmer, of Ashburnham, s. Dwell and Emily, and Martha
      J. Lawrence, a. 21y., of
    Ashburnham, d. Leonard and Martha, Nov. 29, 1865.
    Mary, and Oliver L. Wheeler, July 17, 1817.
    Mary, and James A. Mansfield, of Marlboro, Apr. 29, 1843.
    Mary J., and Augustus Wellington, May 14, 1856.
    Nancy, and Asa Holt, of Fitchburg, Feb. 8, 1825.
    Nellie E., a. 22y., d. John P. and Urania, and Frederick E. Brooks, a.
      21y., farmer, s. Ivers H. and
    Nancy R., June 19, 1889.
    Rachel, and David Smith, May 7, 1807.
    Sarah, and Jacob Puffer, Jan. 4, 1827.
    Sukey, and John Adams, Oct. 6, 1803.
    William, and Fanny Lincoln, Dec. 3, 1823.

Deaths

Pages 246-247

WHITNEY

    Charlotte, widow, b. New Ipswich, NH, d. Simeon and Elizabeth Blanchard,
      of bronchial catarrh, Nov. 4, 1877, a. 85y. 2m. 19d.
    David M., widower, b. Clarendon, VT, lumberman, s. Richard and Janette,
      of kidney disease, May 26, 1889, a. 78y.
    David, s. Isaac, Oct. 6, 1853.
    Eliza, married, b. Great Falls, NH, d. James Cross, of consumption, Sep.
      27, 1867, a. 25y. 4m. 29d.
    Fanny, married, b. Marlborough, NH, w. William, d. William and Jael
      Lincoln, of partial paralysis, Aug. 5, 1888, a. 84y. 10m. 10d.
    Francis, s. John E. and Harriet, Dec. 10, 1856.
    Frank, b. Ashby, s. John and Urama, of croup, Jul 8, 1865, a. 1y. 5d.
    George S., s. David and Charlotte, Nov. 10, 1849.
    Grace, b. Ashby, d. Auren J. and Mary, May 21, 1886, a. 1d.
    Harriet B., w. J. N., Feb. 5, 1843.
    Harriet F., d. William and Fanny, Nov 27, 1841.
    Harriet, married, b. Boston, d. David and Mary Cushing, of pericarditis,
      July 11, 1875, a. 71y., 8m.
    James, s. Silas and Patience, Mar. 2, 1795.
    John B., widower, b. Ashby, farmer, s. Josiah and Mary, Aug. 26, 1882.
    Josiah, Dec. 25, 1842.
    Col. Josiah, Jan. 24, 1806.
    Josiah, Jr., Sep. 4, 1818.
    Lemuel, Mar. 14, 1826.
    Lewis M., b. Ashby, farmer, s. David and Charlotte, of heart disease,
      June 4, 1885, a. 66y. 3m.
    Lizzie, married, b. Ashby, d. Oliver L. and Mary Wheeler, of tubercular
      phthisis, July 13, 1887, a. 49y. 11m. 11d.
    Myron W., s. William and Fanny, Oct. 29, 1826.
    Nancy, widow, b. Ashby, d. Elnathan and Mary Lawrence, of erysipelas and
      dropsy, at Ashburnham, Apr. 12, 1880, a. 70y. 9m. 25d.
    Polly, w. Josiah, Aug. 24, 1841.
    Rebecca, w. Jonas P., June 18, 1838.
    Rebecca, Dec. 3, 1859.
    Samuel, s. Silas and Patience, Mar. 9, 1795.
    Samuel, s. Isaac and Susanna, July 3, 1807.
    Theodore, s. John E. and Harriet, May 1, 1861.
    Zimri, married, b. Ashby, farmer, s. Isaac and Susanna, of suicide,
      insanity, May 23, 1875, a. 67y. 10m. 21d.
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Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 09:16:15 -0500 From: Sue Rood <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [Fwd: Whitney]

I received this message this morning and am sending it to the list to see if anyone can help. I suggested she visit Robert L. Ward's Whitney web page and subscribe to the list. Sue Rood From: SWlady <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 07:44:57 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Whitney

Sue -

I am also researching the surname Whitney....

I have a Joshua Whitney m. Zerviah _________. They had a daughter, Sarah Whitney (b. 1733, d. 1822, Solon, ME). Sarah married (1) Simon Maynor and (2) David Pierce, 9 Mar 1863, Stow, ME. They had the following children: Simon, Calvin, Luther, David, Charles, Peter, and Alice.

Do you have any info related to this line that may help me? I have info on later generations. Thanks, Chris Shriver Stallwood

From: Tambaymar <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:51:47 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Mary Peck and John Hall


John HALL and Mary PECK (CHAPMAN?) were married 26 May 1855, possibly in southern Indiana. Their children:

Nancy HALL abt 1860 Jane HALL abt 1862 William HALL abt 1864 Anne HALL abt 1866 Jefferson HALL abt 1868

Looking for any sort of information about this family -- ancestors, descendants, locations, etc.

Best regards, Jim Patrick

Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 21:47:49 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Southbridge, MA, Vital Records

Dear WRG,

Here is an extract of the Southbridge VRs. They have been posted at <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/mass/southbridge.html>, and will be eventually integrated into the combined index to the WHITNEY Massachusetts Vital Records. I found this book on my recent visit to the Library of Congress.

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Holbrook, Jay Mack, Southbridge, Massachusetts, Vital Records to 1850, Oxford, MA: Holbrook Research Institute, 1981; pp. 285-286.

Births

WHITNEY

 Arthur P., s. Reuben P., peddler, Jan. __, 1842. [p. 38]
 Maryan, d. Ezra and Lucy, 30 Apr 1819. [p. 248]
 Joseph, s. R. P. and Hannah, July __, 1849. [p. 172]
 William Stephens, s. Wm. D. and Harriot, 28 Nov 1825. [p. 253]

Marriages

None.

Deaths

WHITNEY

 Joseph, s. R. P. and Hannah, 16 Jul 1849, a. 4d. [p. 172]
 William, 16 Jul 1827. [p. 271]
 _____, s. Wm. D., d. 30 Sep 1830, a. 1y. 6m. [p. 272]
 _____, s. Mr. _____, d. 6 Aug 1842, a. 1y., 6m., of dysentery. [p. 276]
 _____, Miss, 29 Oct 1843, a. 35y., of consumption. [p. 277]
 _____, Mrs., w. Reuben P., 10 Dec 1847, a. 39y., of consumption. [p. 160]
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Enjoy!

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward

<img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 23:10:32 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Warwick, MA, Vital Records Cc: [email protected], [email protected]

Dear WRG,

Enclosed are extracts from the Warwick Vital Records to 1860. They were made from a set of microfiches at the Library of Congress, which I found on my recent trip there.

The Holbrook microfiches cover many, many Massachusetts towns whose vital records have not otherwise been published. Here is a list:

Adams, Agawam, Amherst, Ashlnad, Barnstable, Belchertown, Bernardston,
Blandford, Chatham, Cheshire, Chesterfield, Chicopee, Clarksburg, Dennis,
Dighton, Easthampton, Easton, Egremont, Enfield, Erving, Fairhaven, Fall
River, Florida, Freetown, Goshen, Granby, Greenwich, Groveland, Hadley,
Hampden, Hancock, Hawley, Holbrook, Holland, Holyoke, Lanesborough, Lenox,
Leverett, Leyden, Longmeadow, Ludlow, Mashpee, Monroe, Mount Washington, New
Marlborough, North Brookfield, Northfield, Norwell, Orange, Orleans, Paxton,
Pittsfield, Plainfield, Plymouth, Prescott, Provincetown, Quincy, Randolph,
Raynham, Rowe, Russell, Sandwich, Savoy, Sheffield, Shutesbury, South Hadley,
Southampton, Southwick, Springfield, Stockbridge, Sunderland, Tolland, Wales,
Ware, Wareham, Warwick, Wellfleet, Wendell, West Brookfield, Westfield,
Westhampton, West Newbury, Wilbraham, Williamsburg.

Here is Warwick. It has been posted to the Whitney Family website at <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/mass/warwick.html>. These entries will eventually be integrated into the combined index.

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>From a microfiche set of copies of the originals, made by Jay Mack Holbrook, of the Holbrook Research Institute, Oxford, MA, on deposit at the Library of Congress.

Births

WHITNEY

 Abigail, d. Joseph and Anna, 20 Jan 1781. [1:38]
 Abraham Willard, s. John, Jr., and Abigail, 26 May 1829. [2:239]
 Amory, s. Levi and wife, 19 Aug 1831. [2:243]
 Betsy, d. Daniel and Sarah, 11 Aug 1781. [1:35]
 Daniel, s. Daniel and Sarah, 5 Dec 1774, at Warwick. [1:18]
 Elijah, s. Daniel and Sarah, 16 Jan 1771, at Boston. [1:18]
 Elishah, s. Daniel and Sarah, Saturday, 24 Jun 1786. [1:47]
 Ellen Mariah, d. Franklin and Nancy Mariah, 13 Apr 1839. [2:246]
 Emma Ann, d. Franklin and Nancy Mariah, 15 Oct 1843. [2:246]
 Erastus L., s. Levi and wife, 6 Jan 1829. [2:243]
 Franklin, s. Seneca and Hannah,10 Sep 1808. [2:238]
 Hannah Brabrook, d. Seneca and Hannah, 20 Apr 1804. [2:238]
 Hannah Elizabeth, d. Franklin and Nancy Mariah, 3 Jun 1849. [2:246]
 Henry, s. Daniel and Sarah, Saturday, 30 Aug 1788. [1:47]
 Henry Payson, s. John, Jr., and Abigail, 25 Sep 1820. [2:239]
 James Pierce, s. John, Jr., and Abigail, 22 Jan 1824. [2:239]
 John, s. John and wife, 8 Apr 1783. [1:51]
 Joseph Gay, s. Daniel and Sarah, 7 Sep 1784. [1:38]
 Joseph Gay, s. Seneca and Hannah,20 Jun 1806. [2:238]
 Joseph Mason, s. John, Jr., and Abigail, 3 Oct 1826. [2:239]
 Lemuel, s. Joseph and Anna, 15 Aug 1784. [1:51]
 Lorana, d. Levi and wife, 28 Dec 1818. [2:243]
 Lorana C., d. Levi and wife, 11 Aug 1826. [2:243]
 Lorenzo H., s. Levi and wife, 20 Feb 1824. [2:243]
 Louis, d. John and wife, 20 Aug 1785. [1:51]
 Louisa, d. Levi and wife, 20 Mar 1822. [2:243]
 Lucretia, d. Levi and wife, 19 Oct 1817. [2:243]
 Lysander, d. Levi and wife, 13 Nov 1820. [2:243]
 Mary, d. John and Mary, 26 Sep 1776. [1:31]
 Nancy, d. John and wife, 21 Mar 1781. [1:51]
 Palmer, s. Joseph and Anne, 11 May 1776. [1:23]
 Palmer, s. Joseph and Anna, 12 Jul 1779. [1:32]
 Salley, d. John and Mary, 1 Feb 1779. [1:31]
 Sarah, d. Daniel and Sarah, 5 Sep 1769, at Boston. [1:18]
 Sarah Antoinette, d. Franklin and Nancy Mariah, 25 Aug 1852. [2:246]
 Sarah Foster, d. John, Jr., and Abigail, 18 May 1822. [2:239]
 Seneca, s. Daniel and Sarah, 27 Jul 1776. [1:31]
 Seneca Franklin, s. Franklin and Nancy Mariah, 24 Nov 1846. [2:246]
 Sophia, d. Daniel and Sarah, 12 Jul 1778. [1:31]
 Susannah, d. Daniel and Sarah, 31 Jan 1773, at Warwick. [1:18]

Marriage Intentions

WHITNEY

 Lemuel, of Warwick, and Sally Pratt of Athol, int. 14 Aug 1804. [1:155]
 Palmer, and Judah Barber, b. of Warwick, int. 14 Apr 1798. [1:136]
 Seneca, and Hannah Moore, b. of Warwick, int. 3 Apr 1803. [1:151]
 Washburn W., Mr., of Orange, and Emily H. Johnson of Warwick, int. 8 Apr
   1843. [1:258]


Marriages

WHITNEY

 Abigail, of Sherborn, and Ebenezer Foskett of Warwick, 28 Oct 1773. [2:260]
 Charles K., Mr., and Miss Esther M. Russell, 2 Sep 1832. [1:88]
 Hannah, and Abraham Roberts, b. of Warwick, 13 Nov 1777. [2:260]
 John, Jr., Mr., and Miss Abigail Foster, 2 Dec 1819. [1:82]
 Palmer, and Judah Barber, b. of Warwick, 10 May 1798. [1:139]
 Washburn W., Mr., of Orange, and Emily H. Johnson of Warwick, 25 Apr 1843.
   [1:261]

Deaths

WHITNEY

 Abigail, w. John, 27 Sep 1831. [2:239]
 Abraham Willard, s. John, Jr., and Abigail, 13 Aug 1831. [2:239]
 Amory, s. Levi and wife, 14 Feb 1832. [2:243]
 Daniel, 3 May 1821. [2:260]
 Hannah Brabrook, d. Seneca and Hannah, 17 Dec 1830. [2:238]
 Harriet, d. A. K., 20 Mar 1829. [2:260]
 John, [h. Abigail], 3 Jul 1839. [2:239]
 Joseph, d. 6 Aug 1834. [2:260]
 Lois, d. Mr. John, 6 Nov 1824. [2:260]
 Lorana, d. Levi and wife, 11 Nov 1822. [2:243]
 Mary, d. John, 1 May 1821. [2:260]
 Palmer, s. Joseph and Anne, 6 Oct 1777, a. 1y. 4m. 25d. [1:195]
 Sarah, w. Daniel, 20 Sep 1824. [2:260]
 Sarah Foster, d. John, Jr., and Abigail, 19 Aug 1831. [2:239]
 Seneca, 25 Apr 1810, a. 34y. [2:260]
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Enjoy!

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

From: KNugier <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:34:26 EST To: [email protected] Subject: WHITNEY

Since our group has now grown bigger I thought that I would repost in case someone has info on my great grandfathers parents. Below is all the info I have at present. I do know that we are supposed to be related to Eli Whitney.

             Karen

RICHARD ALLEN OSGAN BORN NOVEMBER 14,1933 DETROIT, MICHIGAN BROTHER CHARLES OSGAN PARENTS HERBERT OSGAN AND MARTHA WHITNEY UNKNOWN DATES FOR BIRTH BUT PROBABLY SOMEWHERE AROUND 1910 OR A LITTLE LATER. MARTHA DIED SOMEWHERE IN THE 1960'S AND HEBERT DIED SOMEWHERE IN THE LATE 1980'S.THEY WERE LIVING IN DETROIT, MICHIGAN AT THE TIME OF DEATH. MARTHA WHITNEY WAS BORN IN EITHER BUFFALO OR DEPEW, NEW YORK AND SHE HAD A BROTHER NAMED GUS WHITNEY (NOT SURE IF GUS IS A SHORTENED NAME OR NOT). GUS WAS MARRIED TO ELENOR CONLY (NOT SURE OF SPELLING OF CONLY). MARTHA WHITNEY FATHER AND MOTHER WERE WILLIAM WHITNEY AND HIS WIFES NAME WAS SOPHIE. THEY WERE BORN IN EITHER BUFFALO OR DEPEW, NEW YORK. THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN BORN SOMETIME IN THE LATE 1800'S

From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:46:32 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Joshua Whitney and Zerviah

Dear Chris:

Sue Rood forwarded your note to the Whitney list. I feel quite certain we have found your Joshua as the Joshua-4 Whitney, b. ca 1706/7 in Stow, MA, s.o. Richard-3 and Elizabeth Sawtell Whitney (Richard-2, John-1). For a very thorough history of his ancestry through the immigrant ancestor, go to Robert Ward's Web Page at

http://www.erols.com/rlward1/index.html#gen

Your Joshua is person #145, his father is #27, his grandfather is #4 and the immigrant ancestor John-1 is #1. If you want to pursue hunting for birth and marriage records of the various children, etc., you can search the MA Vital Records of the Whitneys on this same website. You can also download them and print them for home use, or ask me to send you the files I have of collected town VR's, which are identical to Robert's with a few exceptions. I have eleven files, some with as few as four to six towns, others with twenty or more towns on each. There are a few that I don't have that you will have to get from the site, I finally abandoned the project when they became so easily available on the web.

If there is any other way I or others can be of help, please call on us via the Whitney-L list or directly.

Happy Hunting

Allan E. Green

P.S. Note to William G. Whitney - the packet came and I have taken a quick look. I'll get back to you soon after I compare the early pages with other sources. All the material about Henry seems to have come from the fraudulent De Salis material.

AEG

From: SarahBigRe <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 01:24:09 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Mary Whitney/Ma

I'm looking for the ancestry of Mary Whitney who married Joseph Whitaker on 25 Apr 1771 Lancaster, Worcester, Ma. He was born 1 Jan 1746 in Lancaster the son of Joseph Whitaker and Hannah Guile. They had a son Whitney Whitaker b 15 Oct 1780 in Sterling, Ma. He married Eunice Richardson 27 Mar 1807 and died in Newfane, Vt 19 Apr 1848. This is all the information I have on Mary Whitney. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Joanne

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 02:29:29 -0500 From: "Debbie J. Stlelmach" <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY Sender: "Debbie J. Stlelmach" <[email protected]> To: "INTERNET:[email protected]" <[email protected]>

Karen,

I am working on Whitney's in the Buffalo area during the 1800's. Mine in particular is a Charles Whitney b 1823 MA died 1902, Langford, Erie Co. I've been concentrating my search south of Buffalo but will keep an eye out for your names. There was a William Henry Whitney and Fanny Miller who had numerous children and they settled in East Aurora which is close by to Depew. I believe that they had a son named William.

There is a Barb Oliver in our group who is also active in this part on NY state.

Keep in touch. Debbie Kailua, HI

From: SWlady <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:42:44 EST To: <img src="/robertward.gif"> Cc: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: [Fwd: Whitney]

Robert -

Thank you so much for your reply concerning my WHITNEY research. The Whitney line is on my mother-in-law's side of the family and it's quite an interesting story. She was born during the infuenza epidemic in 1918, Rockford, IL and her mother died a couple of days after the birth from influenza. My mother- in-law never knew her mother , or the fact that the woman who became her step mother a year later, was in deed her step mother, until 30 years later. Because of this, she has had no idea of her ancestry and it has been quite a search. Needless to say, her natural mother was Kincaid/Pierce from Pierce/Whitney, and as I have just found out after 17 years of researching all our family surnames, thanks to the web and you, a descendant of John and Elinor Whitney.

What I have is a second marriage (#1 Simon Maynor) for Sarah Whitney (1733-1822), daughter of Joshua and Zerviah Whitney (your #145).....

David Pierce (1.Daniel1) b. 3 Oct 1742, Harvard, MA, m. 9 Mar 1763, in Stow, MA, Sarah Whitney, b. 26 Nov 1733, (daughter of Joshua Whitney and Zerviah (Whitney)) d. 17 Feb 1822, Solon, ME. David died 6 Apr 1825, Solon, ME. David Pierce lived in Chesterfield, NH and in Norridgewock, ME, c1783. He enlisted in the Continental Army 18 Jul 1779 for one year from Chesterfield.

                   Children:
         3.   i    Simon Pierce b. 1 Mar 1764,  m. Hepzibah Wood.
         4.   ii   Calvin Pierce b. 10 Feb 1766,  m. 18 Nov 1790, in Fairfield, ME,

Deborah Blackwell, b. 23 Jan 1772, Sandwich, MA, (daughter of Joshua Blackwell and Bathsheba (Blackwell)) d. 29 Jan 1849, Bingham, ME. Calvin died 7 Oct 1814, Bingham, ME.

         5.   iii  Luther Pierce b. 12 May 1768,  m. Susanna Gray.
         6.   iv   David Pierce b. 20 Sep 1771,  m. Olive Russell.
     +   7.   v    Charles Pierce b. 18 Mar 1775.
         8.   vi   Peter Pierce b. 12 Aug 1777,  m. Elizabeth Blackwell.
         9.   vii  Alice Pierce m. Eleazer Whipple.

Third Generation

7. Charles Pierce (2.David2, 1.Daniel1) b. 18 Mar 1775, Maine, m. 16 Mar 1797, Abigail Ayer, b. 17 Jul 1778. Charles died 12 Apr 1851.

                   Children:
         10.  i    Alice Pierce b. 15 Jan 1798.
         11.  ii   Mahala Pierce b. 13 Feb 1799,  d. 20 Mar 1828.
         12.  iii  Christianna Pierce b. 21 Nov 1800.
         13.  iv   Sally Pierce b. 17 Mar 1802, d. 28 Nov 1837.
         14.  v    Henry Pierce b. 23 Jun 1803.
           15.     vi   Peter Pierce b. 28 Nov 1804.
         16.  vii  William Pierce b. 22 Apr 1806.
     +   17.  viii Hepsybirth Pierce b. 27 Nov 1807.
         18.  ix   Lucy Pierce b. 1 Jan 1810.
         19.  x    Harriet Pierce b. 19 Aug 1812.
         20.  xi   Abigail Pierce b. 26 May 1814.
         21.  xii  Mary Pierce b. 8 Jun 1815, d. 9 Apr 1816.
         22.  xiii Polly Pierce b. 19 Feb 1817, d. 20 Jun 1851.
         23.  xiv  Betsey Pierce b. 30 Apr 1819.
         24.  xv   Charles T. Pierce b. 12 Feb 1821.
         25.  xvi  Unknown M. Pierce b. 14 Jan 1824.

Fourth Generation

17. Hepsybirth Pierce (7.Charles3, 2.David2, 1.Daniel1) b. 27 Nov 1807, Augusta, ME, m. 6 Jul 1824, James Kincaid, b. 19 Jan 1804, Maine, (son of Alexander Kincaid) occupation Sea Captain, Mason. Hepsybirth died 7 Apr 1895, Rockton, Winnebago Co., IL, buried Rockton Cem., Rockton, IL.

                   Children:
         26.  i    Charles Edwin Kincaid b. 25 Apr 1823.
         27.  ii   James Austin Kincaid b. 6 Aug 1826,  m. 1854,  Minerva Webb.
         28.  iii  Samuel A. Kincaid b. 4 Jul 1829,  m. 1852,  Sylvia Bates.  Samuel

died 1897.

         29.  iv   Abby Vesta Kincaid b. 15 Jan 1831,  m. 1856,  Robert L. Pomeroy.
     +   30.  v    Elias Pierce Kincaid b. 5 May 1832.
         31.  vi   Hepsy May Kincaid b. 24 May 1835,  m. 1849,  William Reed. 

Hepsy died Sep 1852, Rockton, IL, buried Rockton Cem., Rockton, IL. Married at 14 years old.

     +   32.  vii  Niron Bates Kincaid b. 18 Oct 1833.
         33.  viii Dighton Kincaid b. 8 Feb 1837,  d. Dec 1862, Rockton, IL,  buried

Rockton Cem., Rockton, IL.

         34.  ix   Laura Williams Kincaid b. 4 Dec 1838,  m. Dec 1853,  James

Walker. She and her husband resided in Allison, Iowa.

Does any of this fit with your records? After going to your web site, I have now found enough reading material to keep me going for sometime. It will take me a bit to get through it all, but am looking forward to it. Such an addiction we all have with genealogy! Hopefully, I will not become bothersome, but that I can email you and the Whitney group with questions in the future. Would you mind if I placed a link on my web site to your Whitney site? Thank you again for taking the time to reply and sending me in your direction.

Regards, Chris Shriver Stallwood [email protected] http://wwwebit.com/stallwood

From: "Stan & Mary Ann Lindsay" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>,

       <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>,
       <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>,
       <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>,
       <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>

Subject: Fw: User advisory Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:21:57 -0800

Hello all, just passing this on for your information, seems to be a matter of concern to us and our service providers. Do not know if your providers have the same problem. We have just the last few days been able to get back

onto the net.  But that was because we crashed and got a new computer. Do

not think it was related to this incident. The last mail I received (before receiving yesterday) was Feb 14th. If anyone has anything important to send me, I would appreciate a write. It is good to be back online to talk to my friends. Good luck to all of you, hope this does not happen to you. Hope to hear from you. Mary Ann Lindsay email ([email protected]) homepage (http://netdex.com/~malincal)


> From: 0000-Admin(0000) <root> > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: User advisory > Date: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 9:22 PM > > > Folks - > > If you have been reading the papers or watching the television in the last few days you have probably seen the publicity surrounding the so-called "pentagon hackers". According to the under-secretary of defense this hacking of pentagon machines was the most systematic, methodical and concerted effort to hack government and military computers ever seen. Netdex had the dubious honor of being one of the dozens of machines used by the hackers in an attempt to conceal their identity from federal investigators. > > In practical terms this all has very little impact on Netdex users. There is no evidence that there was anything in our files that the hackers were after. Some folks have asked about credit card numbers... Netdex does not keep ANY credit card numbers on computers. All credit card info is on hard copy kept in locked files in our offices. There is also no evidence that the hackers so much as read a single users' e-mail. In short the battle is taking place on a technical level with little involvement with day-to-day users of the Netdex system. > > If you would like to see the mentality of the persons behind this unprecedented attack on the country's computer infrastructure go to http://antionline.com and read the interviews with the "Cloverdale hacker" as well as a person calling himself "the analyzer". It is a matter for very serious concern. > > We would like to thank our customers for their understanding as we work with federal and state officials in bringing these people to justice. We will try to keep you advised of the situation as the investigation continues. > > Best, > > The Folks as Netdex

From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:57:16 EST To: [email protected] Subject: (No) More on Joshua & Zerviah Whitney

Dear WRG:

Just a brief note to say that I have searched all of the VR's I have for MA, ME, CT, VT, and NH - which is to say, what is available in my notebooks and on Robert Ward's WebSite - without finding any other records for J & Z. Of course, there is very little available for VT and NH, but I could find no marriage for them, or any births between that of Sarah in 1733 and Mary in 1743. One can but wonder where they were over that ten year period, and how many (if any) children might have been born to them in that time.

I also have to express a word of thanks to Robert for beginning on the Holbrook VR transcripts from the microfiche at the Library of Congress. I will be visiting the LC for most of a week this coming summer. (Isn't it great, my wife's American Library Association national meeting is in Washington, DC, this summer, after getting to go to San Francisco and visit the Sutro Library there last summer on the same occasion??) I'll coordinate with him immediately before going to DC, and see if I cannot also contribute to the addition of more towns from that source.

Jon, I'm still at work checking data in Whitny12, providing source references and or notes for every vital record date and place that I can find in the collected VR Whitney extracts, and adding hitherto missing children and siblings when they are findable in that same source. Whenever you consider it nearly time to publish Whitny13 to the group, let me know and I'll send you a major headache - a huge GEDCOM to match/merge. Fortunatly, it should be all within the first five or six generations, as I am using Robert's 5-Gen work as a guide and starting point.

Happy Hunting, everyone:-)

Allan

From: "Stan & Mary Ann Lindsay" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>,

       <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>,
       <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>,
       <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>,
       <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>

Subject: Fw: User advisory Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:32:48 -0800

Me again-forgot to give you the address to read about all this in the news. The address for the SRPD is: http://www.pressdemo.com/news.html Check today's headlines (3-4-98) and also (2-28-98 )in "previous issues". Love ya all. MAL


> From: Stan & Mary Ann Lindsay <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Fw: User advisory > Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 8:21 AM > > Hello all, just passing this on for your information, seems to be a matter > of concern to us and our service providers. Do not know if your providers > have the same problem. We have just the last few days been able to get back > onto the net. But that was because we crashed and got a new computer. Do > not think it was related to this incident. The last mail I received > (before receiving yesterday) was Feb 14th. If anyone has anything > important to send me, I would appreciate a write. It is good to be back > online to talk to my friends. > Good luck to all of you, hope this does not happen to you. Hope to hear > from you. > Mary Ann Lindsay > email ([email protected]) homepage (http://netdex.com/~malincal) > > ---------- > > From: 0000-Admin(0000) <root> > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected] > > Subject: User advisory > > Date: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 9:22 PM > > > > > > Folks - > > > > If you have been reading the papers or watching the television in the > last few days you have probably seen the publicity surrounding the > so-called "pentagon hackers". According to the under-secretary of defense > this hacking of pentagon machines was the most systematic, methodical and > concerted effort to hack government and military computers ever seen. > Netdex had the dubious honor of being one of the dozens of machines used by > the hackers in an attempt to conceal their identity from federal > investigators. > > > > In practical terms this all has very little impact on Netdex users. > There is no evidence that there was anything in our files that the hackers > were after. Some folks have asked about credit card numbers... Netdex does > not keep ANY credit card numbers on computers. All credit card info is on > hard copy kept in locked files in our offices. There is also no evidence > that the hackers so much as read a single users' e-mail. In short the > battle is taking place on a technical level with little involvement with > day-to-day users of the Netdex system. > > > > If you would like to see the mentality of the persons behind this > unprecedented attack on the country's computer infrastructure go to > http://antionline.com and read the interviews with the "Cloverdale hacker" > as well as a person calling himself "the analyzer". It is a matter for very > serious concern. > > > > We would like to thank our customers for their understanding as we > work with federal and state officials in bringing these people to justice. > We will try to keep you advised of the situation as the investigation > continues. > > > > Best, > > > > The Folks as Netdex

From: Ms Snowbal <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:43:51 EST To: [email protected] Subject: whitney

Subj: Mantle Whitney Date: 98-03-04 00:05:14 EST From: Ms Snowbal To: Hi i'm still looking for Mantle Whitney b in 1863 in NY. Mantle m Mary Fuller in Pa , they had five sons Bert , Irving b1888 , Lewis b1892, Norman b1896 and Robert b1901. Norman moved to Texas and the other sons moved to Michigan. Bert lived in Iosco Co. Mi Lewis , Robert and Irving lived in Wayne Co Mi. Thank you in advance Mary

From: "Bill Hyatt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Fw: Hyatt's sent me by others that may interest you Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:39:25 -0500



Original Message-----

From: Randy Hyatt <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 6:06 PM Subject: Hyatt's


Hi Bill, My name is Randy Hyatt from Norwalk Connecticut. I have been meaning to write you for some time now as I have a tremendous amount of information on the Thomas Hyatt Line which I have been organizing in my Family Treemaker software program. My Uncle researched the Hyatt’s from New York and Connecticut for some 40 years in hopes of finding the parents of Gilead Hyatt from New Fairfield, Connecticut. Although he never found the parents of Gilead he did find that almost all the Hyatt’s from around here descend from Thomas Hyatt of Stamford, Connecticut and he started to organize them. I have added a lot more in the past few years and am at a point where in a few months I will send you a family file on the Descendants of Thomas Hyatt. I need a little more time to get it together. There will be over 1000 names, over 500 with the Hyatt surname, and many notes of interest. In the meantime I have mailed you my family sheets on the Gilead Hyatt family.

Not to be critical but I see a few errors in your database that should be corrected. Although I know my data may have some errors, especially with dates, the placement of individuals with there correct parents is near 100%.

Lanslot- son of Abraham Hyatt and Susan Betts not Sarah Ryder , children of Abraham and Sarah are Samuel , Phebe, Fanny, Nathaniel, Elizabeth, Esther, Joseph, and Abraham.

Samuel married to Judy Pope is the son of Hannah Scribner , all brothers and sisters as well. Elsy is the second wife of Thomas (no children)

Another Thomas born in 1729 was married to Sarah Buckbee. They lived in Dobbs Ferry and had Hannah, Cornelius, Thomas, Elvin, Sarah, Edward, Rachel, and Nancy.

Thomas born 1753 was the son of Thomas and Sarah Burr not James and Sarah.

Any questions feel free to contact me Randy Hyatt

                                                             24 knob

Hill Rd.

                                                             Norwalk,

CT. (203)847-1324

Thanks for your hard work Bill. You have done a great job getting all the Hyatt data together. Talk to you again soon. Randy

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:10:30 +0000 From: Bonnie Ward <[email protected]>

To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Joseph Wyman

Just visited your web site and found Kazia Parker b 1 June 1740. She would be my GGGGGrandmother. Her husband was Joseph Wyman ID104058. Here is data on him if you want it. Born: Oct 27, 1734 at Woburn, Middlesex Co, Ma Married Kazia (Keziah?)Parker June 21, 1759 Lunenburg, MA Died: 1790

I have K. Parker born June 1, 1740 Lexington, MA Died:Aug 7, 1776, Lunenburg, MA

I have a list of his children if you'd care for it. Thanks so much for the Parker info...it filled some blanks for me.

Sincerely, Bonnie Ward

From: Biboss <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:13:49 EST To: [email protected] Subject: whitney problem

This is a test to see if I have re-subscribed the correct way. I have not received anything from the Whitney mail list in the last few days. Michael was kind enough to let me know there was a problem. I miss getting things from the mail list. I hope I have not missed anything important. Have a great day! Bernice Herndon (Biboss)

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 16:51:35 +0000 From: Mike and Diane Wills <[email protected]> Organization: INS Info Services, Des Moines, IA, USA To: Whitney Mailing List <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney in CT, NY, MO


Hello,

I am searching for any information on the parents or siblings of Chloe Whitney. She married Stephen Proter Yale. Please contact me if she fits into your Whitney line.

Diane Wills [email protected]

First Generation ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹

1. Stephen Porter YALE. Born 22 Apr 1781. Died 1856 in Albany, Gentry Co., MO. Occupation Farmer. Residence S. Canaan,CT; 1827>Mina, Chataque Co., NY; Gallatin, MO.

Stephen Porter Yale fought in the War of 1812. He moved from South Canaan, CT, to Mina, Chatauqua Co., NY, on June 19, 1827, and later from there to Gallatin, Daviess Co., MO, and thence to Albany, MO. He was in Albany in 1842 or earlier.

He married Chloe WHITNEY, 30 Nov 1815. Born 12 Dec 1795. Died in Albany, Gentry Co., MO. They had the following children:

    2    i.   Stephen Porter YALE
    3    ii.  Henry Davis YALE
    4    iii. Miles Harvey YALE
    5    iv.  George Eugene YALE
    6    v.   Frances Eliza YALE
    7    vi.  Elihu Bailey YALE
    8    vii. Caroline Elnora YALE
    9    viii.     Norman Truesdale YALE
    10   ix.  Harriet Mariah YALE
    11   x.   Martha Jane YALE

Second Generation ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹

2. Stephen Porter YALE. Born 8 Dec 1816. Died 11 Jun 1841.

3. Henry Davis YALE. Born 21 Apr 1819.

4. Miles Harvey YALE. Born 3 Apr 1821. Residence California.

5. George Eugene YALE. Born 24 Apr 1823. Died 17 Jan 1903 in Albany, Gentry Co., MO.

Children:

    12   i.   Elihu W. YALE

6. Frances Eliza YALE. Born 3 Feb 1825. Residence Albany, Gentry Co., MO.

7. Elihu Bailey YALE. Born 1 Apr 1827. Died 15 Sep 1901 in Albany, Gentry Co., MO. Occupation Farmer. Residence Albany, Gentry Co., MO.

He married Martha Jane HANDY, daughter of Burk HANDY, 28 Apr 1853 in Albany, Gentry Co., MO. Born 20 Mar 1837/1838 in Morgan Co., IL. Died 8 Jan 1898 in Family Home West Of Albany, Gentry Co., MO - Consumption. Buried in Shepherd Cem., Albany, Gentry Co., MO. Religion Church Of God. They had the following children:

    13   i.   Stephen Burk YALE
    14   ii.  Elihu Francisco YALE
    15   iii. John Truesdale YALE
    16   iv.  William Rice YALE
    17   v.   Andrew J. YALE
    18   vi.  Ida YALE
    19   vii. Addie Emma YALE

8. Caroline Elnora YALE. Born 27 Mar 1831. Residence Hamilton, MO.

She first married John CULP. Born 1825 in Kentucky. Died 4 Apr 1888. Occupation Farmer. Residence Albany, MO. They had the following children:

    20   i.   James Clinton CULP
    21   ii.  Sidens Franklin CULP
    22   iii. George K. CULP
    23   iv.  Alvodria Alonzo CULP
    24   v.   Joseph W. CULP
    25   vi.  Effie M. CULP
    26   vii. John Homer CULP

She second married John COX.

9. Norman Truesdale YALE. Born 10 Dec 1833. Occupation Miner; Farmer. Residence Chautauqua Co., NY; Yorkville, CA.

10. Harriet Mariah YALE. Born 27 May 1835. Residence Albany, Gentry Co., MO.

She married George K. CULP, 9 Aug 1855. Born 12 Mar 1833 in Allen Co., KY. Died 12 Apr 1897. Occupation Farmer, Traveling Salesman. Residence Albany, MO.

George K. Culp was a private in Co. F, 51st Missouri Vol. Infantry of the Union Army in the Civil War.

They had the following children:

    27   i.   Montreville H. CULP
    28   ii.  Sarah E. CULP
    29   iii. George Kelcey CULP Jr.
    30   iv.  Elihu Bailey CULP
    31   v.   William M. CULP
    32   vi.  Otho G. CULP
    33   vii. Freeman F. CULP

11. Martha Jane YALE. Born 12 Mar 1837. Residence Albany, Gentry Co., MO.

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 12:36:16 -0500 To: [email protected] From: Frank Germano <[email protected]> Subject: Rebecca & John Whitney

    I'm confused.  I have one source saying that Moses Whitney had a son John

who married a Rebecca Whitney. Another source says Moses had a daughter Rebecca Whitney who married a John Whitney. Another source lists Moses at not having either a son John or a daughter Rebecca.

    My g-g-grandfather was Nathan Whitney, born in Otsego county, NY in 1814.

He married Sarah Boynton, daughter of Caleb Boynton in Otsego County. All of the information in Pierce's book on Amaziah Whitney checks out, so why couldn't he be correct in stating that Moses had a son John? Do you have any suggestions on how I could straighten this out?

                        Virginia Germano
    

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 21:11:55 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: More Connecticut Vital Records

Dear WRG,

I have just uploaded to my website more of the card index of the Barbour Collection of Connecticut Vital Records. This consists of the given names beginning with the letters H through R, to add to the previous A through G.

Enjoy!

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

From: Terrycraft <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 19:17:40 EST To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],

       [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected]

Subject: McCurdy Genealogy

Looking for people researching this line and /or has information they have come across on my line as they were searching for other McCurdy lines.

James McCurdy (my gggg-grandfather, s/o ?) b. abt. 1788 in Ireland, Parish of Ballintoy(guessing) m. Rachel (Kelly orTalbot ,not sure of her maiden name) McCurdy b. abt. 1788 in Ireland (guessing).

Joseph McCurdy (my ggg-grandfather, s/o James & Rachel McCurdy) b. 18 Sept.1808 Chester Co., Pa. d.( ? ) m. Mary Ann Hollinger b.abt.1810 (guessing) of Chester Co., Pa.d. ( ? )

Thomas W. McCurdy (my gg-grandfather, s/o Joseph & Mary Ann McCurdy )b. 20 Jun 1850 d. 13 Mar. 1928 m. Mary E. (Myers) McCurdy b. 1853 d. 1894

Harry B. McCurdy (my g-grandfather, s/o Thomas W. & Mary E. McCurdy )b. 1889 d. 1928 m. Bertha H. ( Summons ) McCurdy b. 1883 d. 1931

Allen Lester McCurdy (my grandfather, s/o Harry B. & Bertha H. McCurdy) b. Feb. 23, 1910 Chester Co., Pa. d. Nov. 1979 Phila., Pa. m. Dec. 1928 # 1 wife Pearl Elizabeth Fox b. April 8, 1912 Pottstown, Montgomery Co., Pa. d. March 14, 1987 Atlantic Co., NJ. # 2 wife Lavern Keyser (no information)

I have more information. If you know any of these names please contact me. Thank you for your time.

Terry McCurdy [email protected]

From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]>

Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:52:00 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Rebecca & John Whitney

Dear Virginia:

Have you visited the Web Site of Robert Ward, one of our WRG members? He shows clearly the ancestry of the John-4 Whitney (Isaiah-3, Thomas-2, John-1) who married Rebeckah Whitney 20 May 1724 in Lancaster, MA. The URL is:

http://www.erols.com/rlward1/Whitney/ and then there are many, many choices that can be followed from the initial page. The amount of Whitney material he has managed to gather is amazing - and I'm happy to say that many members of the Whitney Research Group assisted in the gathering of some of what he has available there. In the 5-Generation descent from immigrant John-1 Whitney, if you follow the linkage to Thomas-2, (#6) and Isaiah-3 (#39), you will find the link to John-4 (#173), where you will find the details about John-4 and Rebecca-4 (#132 - d.o. Moses-3, Richard-2, John-1).

[BTW, in the marriage of Moses-4 and Sarah Knight, it gives his name as Whiting. Some of the children do not appear in the Stow VR. Could someone with access to the Stow VR book check to see if there are children listed for a Moses and Sarah under the surname Whiting? - or, perhaps Robert could identify the place where their births are listed.]

Generally, our experience with the F. C. Pierce book is that it is fairly reliable but that it does have mistakes in it. What we sometimes forget is that Mr. Pierce lived in the 2nd half of the 19th century, and that travel and access to data was nowhere as easy for him as it is for us today. He seemingly did make use of some of the Vital Records of various MA townships, but much of what he collected was furnished to him by people whom he contacted by mail. The wonder is how much he got right, not the frequency of error. Today, we have access to far greater amounts of information, and can check things like the VR's, census data, etc. right on-line and get answers in literally seconds (or at least minutes).

As to your Nathan, there are three Whitneys in Otsego County in 1800, one of which is Amaziah, only one, A. Whitney, in 1810, but in 1820 there is only an Nathan Whitney, no Amaziah. Were they supposedly still there by 1820, or did they move elsewhere. I found a Nathan Whitney, born 1793 in Clarendon, VT, who MIGHT be the Nathan in Otsego, NY, in 1820, and the listing for his first son, Nathan, has no place identified. OTOH, other later children of this 1793 Nathan were born in Canada and elsewhere in VT, so he is not really an outstanding candidate. Perhaps others will be able to assist with the second half of your questions.

Happy Hunting!

Allan E. Green

From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 01:21:25 EST To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: Whitney in CT, NY, MO

Dear Diane:

In order to assist you in your search, do you suppose you might be able to help narrow down the possibilities by giving us just a little more information about your Chloe. Could you provide an exact (or approximate) birthdate? I have found one Chloe born in 1783 and another born in 1803, but no data on husbands for either. There are no entries for Yale.

Allan E. Green <[email protected]>

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 12:41:45 +0000 From: Mike and Diane Wills <[email protected]> Organization: INS Info Services, Des Moines, IA, USA To: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> CC: Whitney Mailing List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Whitney in CT, NY, MO References: <[email protected]>


ALLAGREEN wrote: > > Dear Diane: > > In order to assist you in your search, do you suppose you might be able to > help narrow down the possibilities by giving us just a little more information > about your Chloe. Could you provide an exact (or approximate) birthdate? I > have found one Chloe born in 1783 and another born in 1803, but no data on > husbands for either. There are no entries for Yale. > > Allan E. Green <[email protected]>

Hi Allan,

Thanks for your offer. The listing must have appeared confusing. Anyway I listed Chloe as born 12 Dec 1795. I don't know where. She died in Albany, Gentry Co., MO. I don't know when. She married Stephen Porter YALE 30 Nov 1815. I will guess in the vicinity of South Canaan, CT.

Diane Wills [email protected]

First Generation ÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐÐ

1. Stephen Porter YALE. Born 22 Apr 1781. Died 1856 in Albany, Gentry Co., MO. Occupation Farmer. Residence S. Canaan,CT; 1827>Mina, Chataque Co., NY; Gallatin, MO.

Stephen Porter Yale fought in the War of 1812. He moved from South Canaan, CT, to Mina, Chatauqua Co., NY, on June 19, 1827, and later from there to Gallatin, Daviess Co., MO, and thence to Albany, MO. He was in Albany in 1842 or earlier.

      • He married Chloe WHITNEY, 30 Nov 1815. Born 12 Dec 1795. Died in Albany,

Gentry Co., MO. They had the following children:

       2       i.      Stephen Porter YALE
       3       ii.     Henry Davis YALE
       4       iii.    Miles Harvey YALE
       5       iv.     George Eugene YALE
       6       v.      Frances Eliza YALE
       7       vi.     Elihu Bailey YALE
       8       vii.    Caroline Elnora YALE
       9       viii.   Norman Truesdale YALE
       10      ix.     Harriet Mariah YALE
       11      x.      Martha Jane YALE

From: BOBBI S 44 <[email protected]>

Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 12:54:37 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Wales

I notice you have a lot of this last name in your database. While I did not find the name I am looking for I know that some folks have kept old queries from others researching the same last name.

I am searching for a Nellie S. Wales born around 1863 in Louisville, KY. She married James Malloy (b Cinn, Ohio) . They were married in Orleans Parish, LA in 1889.

Know this is a long shot, but any help is better than none.

Thanks,

Bobbi Sherman

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 13:28:06 -0500 From: James McCabe <[email protected]> Organization: AL Retired To: [email protected] Subject: McCabe / Whitney

My name is James McCabe my great grand mother was B.Whitney married to James Collum of Barraghmore,Drumlish,Co. Longford,Ireland. My grand mother Moriah was born in 1864 and died in 1936. She married Patrick McCabe born in 1853 from Corduff South,Cloone,Co. Leitrim,Ireland .

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 10:31:44 -0800 From: knights <[email protected]> To: wrg <[email protected]>, [email protected],

       "[email protected]"

<[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY, B

Adolphus WHITNEY d. 14 DEC 1869 in Hartland, Windsor, VT. From his age at time of death on his death certificate, we calculate his birthdate to be 11 Aug 1786 in Westminster, VT. His father is named as B. Whitney.

We've explored "B." WHITNEY and find a Benjamin who died in Westminster 20 NOV 1822. I've been told, yet have not been able to find supporting data, that this Benjamin who m. Jerusha Brockway, had a son, Adolphus.

Can anyone give me more info on this Benjamin or any other "B." Whitney who may be Adolphus's father?

Colleen Knights

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 13:39:28 -0800 From: knights <[email protected]> To: [email protected], wrg <[email protected]>,

       "[email protected]"

<[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY, Benjamin

The Putney, VT VRs list of Marriages & Intentions includes Benjamin WHITNEY Jr. & Sukey BADGER, both of Westminster, 18 Mar 1798.

Is anyone familiar with this family?

I suspect that this Benjamin is the brother of my gggrandfather, Adolphus WHITNEY who also m. in Putney, 31 Aug 1808 to Martha POWERS.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Colleen Knights

From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:40:55 EST To: <img src="/robertward.gif">

Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Rebecca & John Whitney

Dear Robert:

Thanks for the "collected thoughts" on the topic of Rebecca Whitney's birth. In my note to Virginia I noted that Moses had been misnamed as Whiting in his Stow marriage as Moses "Whiting". Has anyone ever looked in the Stow VR's under the name Whiting to see if any of the purported children of Moses and Sarah are thus listed? I've searched all my collected Whitney VR extracts, looking for any and all of Moses and Sarah's other children (besides Sarah), to no avail. Barring contradiction from some further data yet to turn up, I agree with you that the preponderance of the evidence seems to put Rebeckah/Rebecca in their family.

Allan

From: WhitneyMR <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:28:15 EST To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Fwd: Serious Problems Out on the Net (and at home)

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I got this from Brian (runs Rootsweb). If you've sent something to the list recently and haven't seen it come through you should repost.

Michael Whitney

    air17.mail.aol.com (v40.7) with SMTP; Mon, 09 Mar 1998 20:03:53 1900
      by relay07.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0)
      with ESMTP id UAA10777;
      Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:03:35 -0500 (EST)

To: [email protected], [email protected],

       [email protected]

cc: "Dr. Brian Leverich" <[email protected]> Subject: Serious Problems Out on the Net (and at home) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 16:58:50 -0800 From: Brian Leverich <[email protected]>


As many of you have undoubtably noticed, the last week has been a mess out on The Net.

Starting one week ago, some clown has been strobing all the hosts and routers on the Internet with an attack that is fatal (locks the machine such that it has to be power cycled to restart) to Win 95 and Win NT boxen.

While this didn't directly affect RootsWeb (we're wall-to-wall Unix servers), it did kill one of our network neighbors' NT server. Unfortunately that NT server was providing reverse DNS for some of RootsWeb's boxes, so the NT server's repeated crashes caused major problems for us.

It especially slowed mail deliveries from our list servers.

To deal with this problem, the NT server has been "patched" to reduce its vulnerability to attack and we have taken various other technical measures to make us safer.

Last night at 2am Sprintlink, with no warning to any of its customers, attempted to upgrade the operating systems on its backbone routers throughout the country. Things went badly south, and the Net is still very much crippled right now.

The Sprintlink disaster essentially disconnected pieces of RootsWeb from The Net for several hours until we could adjust our routers to work around the down pieces of Sprintlink's backbone.

As the Sprintlink disaster rippled through The Net, it also took down the routers at our feed from CRL. That happened while Karen and I were away from our keyboards, and the CRL down wounded our main list server.

Some mail was lost, and we suspect some digests were damaged. We'll be fixing things for a few days. ):

Ultimately there is no way that an individual site can insulate itself from a mess like last night, but we will be able to better protect ourselves as RootsWeb grows and operates more T1 connections to more Internet backbone carriers.

Finally, this morning at 10am the textbase harddrive in the search engine box glitched and wedged, killing that server. Karen and I were working at that machine's console to revive it when the CRL link went down, which was why we couldn't save the mail server.

Disk problems like this should go away as we upgrade all our servers to using redundant RAID-5 disk arrays, rather than depending on single drives.

    *sigh*

Thank goodness weeks like this don't happen too often. As noted above, we'll be doing what we can to insulate ourselves from these sorts of problems in the future.

One other thought: Karen and Brian will be away from our consoles all day tomorrow traveling on business that is critical to RootsWeb's future. It worries us a lot to leave the servers without someone physically at the consoles, but there will be some great sysadmins monitoring the site remotely and we think the potential benefits of this trip outweigh the risks of leaving the servers for a day.

We apologize in advance if anything goes wrong, and we will be back late tomorrow night in any case. Cheers, B.


-- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 [email protected]

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:03:56 +0000 To: [email protected] From: Malcolm Bebb <[email protected]> Subject: Re: ? unconnected Whitney


>Dear WRG's, I found the following while tracing an Eastman line. I don't >see them in the database, so this is for whomever is keeping the >unconnected Whitney file.

Umm - What database? and what unconnected Whitney file?

Cheers,

-- Malcolm

Malcolm Bebb [email protected] Tel/Fax (44) 01202 772162 Test Solutions ATE User Documentation Mobile 0468 377456

From: WhitneyMR <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:05:39 EST To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Listowner test

Hi Guys,

Just a quick test of the lists. Rootsweb has been having problems and I've noticed my lists have gone terminally quite.

Michael Whitney

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:36:44 +0000 To: [email protected] From: Malcolm Bebb <[email protected]> Subject: Re: ? unconnected Whitney

Hi again,

I now have the unconnected Whitney database. Thought I'd say so here following Rootsweb problems, and the the fact I've only just got my original msg back! Thanks to those who helped.

Malcolm

-- Malcolm Bebb : [email protected] Voice/fax 01202 772162 Embetronics Ltd : Contract ATE, test methods and technical writing

Online CV:- http://www.embetech.demon.co.uk/embetronics/bebbcv.htm Bebb family web site: http://www.embetech.demon.co.uk/gene/bebb.htm


Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:28:47 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif">

Subject: D.A.R. Patriot Index, WHITNEY Surname

Dear WRG,

I have just uploaded to my website the WHITNEY entries from the D.A.R. Patriot Index, Centennial Edition. You can find them at the following URL:

 <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/military/dar/patriots.html>

Enjoy!

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:42:57 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Robert's ever-growing Web Site!

Dear Robert (& WRG):

I have to compliment you again on your seemingly endless contributions to our collective resources. I have been spending a lot of time downloading the Census Index material for inclusion in a notebook on my bookshelf, to avoid having to go back on-line several times every night to consult them. Now, before I even complete that task, new riches appear.

Thank you!!!

Allan

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:57:52 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Whitney Obituaries

Dear WRG,

I have just uploaded WHITNEY Obituaries, 1784-1840, from the Massachusetts Centinel and Columbian Centinel. Although the newspaper was published in Boston, it covers deaths elsewhere in Massachusetts, and some in other places. You can find it at:

  <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/obit.html>

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

From: MaryG74667 <[email protected]>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:11:48 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Anne Whitney and Matthew St. John

Hi folks..I am pretty surprised (but it is consistent with my luck) that you don't have the children of this generation 3 family member. With Smith as her mother and Rogers as her grandmother...is there a Mayflower link? I just made this connection yesterday so I have precious little information to add....but I hope to give you some solid info on some family members. What a great site the Whitney site is...I am glad to be a cousin. Any help on a Mayflower connection would be appreciated. Looking to help a high school junior get some scholarship help for historical organizations. Thanks,

Mary

From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:19:22 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: WHITNEY

Dear Val:

I would be most interested in further contact to work with you on the Whitneys. You can get involved with the WRG by simply subscribing to the Whitney-L maillist by sending a message to:

[email protected]

and in the body of the message put ONLY one word

Subscribe

and nothing else. Turn off any signature block as well, as the computer that reads the message takes ANYTHING else as a command and tries to execute it. When it can't, it discards the whole thing and you don't get on the list.

I began by looking at the connection point you mentioned, Lydia Whitney and Moses Adams. I'm almost afraid to raise this question, as a few nights ago I got excited about helping someone else after they had sent me some materiel that showed their connections, and found all sorts of things that could be added to or corrected from what the lady sent me. I got back a scathing letter that said she was not a professional and didn't appreciate my remarks - and didn't want to have anything further to do with me on the topic. I haven't responded yet because I'm not quite sure how, but was both quite hurt after having spent three hours digging out material trying to help her, and just a little upset that she responded to my good faith efforts on her behalf in that manner.

All that said, I have to tell you that the date of 15 Apr 1681 in Watertown that you mention for the marriage of Lydia Whitney to Moses Adams IS what is currently in the Whitney database. However, it is not borne out by the Vital Records. It doesn't seem to be in our transcription of the Watertown Vital Records at all, and our transcription of the Sherborn Vital Records (to which place Jonathan and Lydia Jones Whitney moved from Watertown - I don't know when, but it should be between the 1678 birth of Benjamin, their last child, and this marriage date) shows that Lydia and Moses Adams were married 15 Apr 1684. So, unless the transcription I have is in error, it looks like our database was wrong both on the date and the place (at least until someone else come up with further evidence that clarifys the matter).

On the basis of what I found, I have corrected my copy of the database, and hope that this correction will be accepted for the next version of our collected work when it is ready for distribution. These distributed versions are now up to Whitny12, and the compiler is hard at work on version 13 as more and more material comes in from new members. When it is ready, it will be announced and anyone can get a copy. If you would like a copy of what I currently have, which will be Whitny12 plus all that I've personally added or corrected in my own copy, I'll be glad to make a GEDCOM of it and send it to you.

As to the manner of Lydia's death, I don't have any information beyond the date of 1719, reportedly in Sherborn, according to the collective database. I can't check this because I only have Whitney extracts for all these towns, and she would have been listed under Adams.

As to the part of my message that left you confused, I guess I didn't write it very clearly. By no means is our immigrant John (with wife Elinor) the son of Henry of Norwalk, CT. That is another Whitney line entirely, presented primarily in the three volume, 2700+ page 1878 book by Stephen Whitney Phoenix. It just happens that the only known son of the Henry Whitney who came to Southold, Long Island sometime in the 1640's and who moved to Norwalk about 10-15 years later, was named John, b. ca 1642 in England, the latter married Elizabeth Smith and was the single source of the descent from this line of Whitneys. The problem came when MY Samuel of Stratford was mistakenly included in the descent of this other group in several sources, seemingly just because he happend to live in close proximity to others of that branch. One of our other members, Robert Ward, was able to prove quite conclusively (by using MA probate records), that my Samuel (b. 17 Jul 1687 in Weston, Middlesex, MA, m. Anne Laboree/Laborie) was the son of Nathaniel and Sarah Hagar Whitney of Weston. Thus, the reason I felt the need in my posting to the CT list that my line came from MA and was NOT a part of the CT Whitney line of descent. Clear as mud, now?? <g>

You might find a visit to Robert Ward's website fruitful. He has an incredible amount of data available on the Whitneys, indeed too much to try to list here. Whitney Vital Record extracts for hundreds of towns in MA, ME, VT, - lots of CT stuff, too. The URL:

http://www.erols.com/rlward1/Whitney/

He also has links to many other Whitney group member's home pages, as well as to the three main databases on a site maintained by another member, Randy Winch.

I would also be interested to explore at another time your connections to early VA, as my wife descends from a number of families that arrived in VA and MD in the 1600's.

Assuming you will follow up on your expressed intention to subscribe and join the hunt, welcome to the WRG. If there is anything else I can do to be of help, don't hesitate to "holler", as we say here in SE Kentucky.

Allan E. Green <[email protected]>

P.S. WRG members, I just noticed tonight that the free Ancestry database for the next 10 days is the VT pension list of 1835, so if you have a RevWar ancestor from VT who lived on (or whose widow lived on), check this out.

From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:50:34 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Connecticut List ~ I'm here are you there?

Dear Barbara:

What a coincidence!! I just sent off an answer to someone else who was interested in Lydia Whitney and Moses Adams. However, there seems to be some difference of opinion about which Lydia married this man. Their marriage is listed in the Sherborn, MA, Vital Records as having been on April 15, 1684. I think you may have the wrong Lydia, which is why it is hard to make the connection. Unless your note has a typo,

    >I have a Lydia WHITNEY, bapt. 22 Feb. 1634/5;<

the ages you give are 20 years apart, i.e., Lydia baptised in 1635 (which, BTW, is the year the Whitneys arrived in Watertown, and none of the sons were married yet) and Moses born in 1654.

For a number of reasons based on the various MA Vital Records, I think that the Lydia-3 who married Moses Adams was the daughter of Jonathan-2 and Lydia Jones Whitney, who was born in Watertown 3 Jul 1657 as their first child. We also have this Lydia dying in 1719 in Sherborn, although I cannot check that date as all I have are the Whitney extracts, and she would have been listed among the Adams in that source. Interestingly, the other questioner (whose letter I just answered) thought she had been killed by Indians and asked me if I knew anything about that (which I didn't).

You seem to know more about Moses Adams than we do, so I would be very interested in finding out more about this family from you. All we have is that he was the son of Lt. Henry and Elizabeth Paine Adams, and that he and Lydia had two children, Thomas, born 1688, and James, b. 1693. Anything beyond that would be new to us.

If you come to agree with us about this Lydia, we can help a lot with her ancestry back through the immigrant ancestor John-1 to his birth in St. Margaret's Westminster Parish, (London, England) to Thomas and Mary Bray Whitney.

I hope this has been helpful. I have copied this response to the Whitney maillist. If you would like to get involved with the 200+ members of the "Whitney Research Group" (i.e., the people subscribed to that list), let me know and I'll be glad to help you.

I am most delighted to have heard from you.

Allan E. Green <[email protected]>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:07:52 To: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]>, [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif">

Subject: Re: WHITNEY Cc: [email protected]

At 01:19 AM 3/14/98 EST, ALLAGREEN wrote: >Dear Val: > [SNIP]

>I began by looking at the connection point you mentioned, Lydia Whitney and >Moses Adams. [SNIP] > >[SNIP] ... the date of 15 Apr 1681 in Watertown >that you mention for the marriage of Lydia Whitney to Moses Adams IS what is >currently in the Whitney database. However, it is not borne out by the Vital >Records. It doesn't seem to be in our transcription of the Watertown Vital >Records at all, and our transcription of the Sherborn Vital Records (to which >place Jonathan and Lydia Jones Whitney moved from Watertown - I don't know >when, but it should be between the 1678 birth of Benjamin, their last child, >and this marriage date) shows that Lydia and Moses Adams were married 15 Apr >1684. So, unless the transcription I have is in error, it looks like our >database was wrong both on the date and the place (at least until someone else >come up with further evidence that clarifys the matter).

Clarence Almon Torrey's _New England Marriages Prior to 1700_ says that Moses ADAMS (d. 1724 or 1729) m.(1) 14 May 1680, Medfield, Mary FAIRBANKS (d. 1681), and then m.(2) 15 Apr 1684, Sherborn, Lydia WHITNEY (b. 1657, d. 1719). This does *not* solve all problems, however!

The child I have listed for Moses and Mary (FAIRBANKS) ADAMS is:

 1. Benoni, b. 3 Nov 1681, Sherborn.

Mary died 15 Nov 1681, probably of the after-effects of childbirth, especially since her child is named "Benoni."

   The children I have listed for Moses and Lydia (WHITNEY) ADAMS are:
 2. Lydia, b. 2 Feb 1683/4, Sherborn.
 3. Elizabeth, b. 18 Sep 1686, Sherborn.
 4. Hannah, b. 8 Feb 1687/8, Sherborn.
 5. Elizabeth, b. 25 Oct 1689, Sherborn.
 6. Moses, b. 26 Nov 1691, Sherborn.
 7. James, b. 7 Jul 1693, Sherborn.
 8. Isaac, b. 4 Mar 1694/5, Sherborn.
 9. Abigail, b. 7 Sep 1697, Sherborn.
 10. Thomas, no birth record found.

I believe that Lydia, dau. of Moses and Lydia (WHITNEY) ADAMS, said above to have been born 2 Feb 1683/4, was probably b. 2 Feb 1684/5, instead. That would satisfy all the usual requirements.

[SNIP]

I hope this is clear.

Anyone with access to the Sherborn VRs, please double check for the death dates of Moses and Lydia, and the birthdates of all their children, but especially daughter Lydia. I am also interested in the marriages of their children.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:57:13 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: WHITNEY

Dear Val:

I'm really dumb, sometimes. About the signature block, that is something that many people who use Netscape or Eudora Mail have set up so that it puts a standard name and address block ( and sometimes a little "ad" for their genealogy business or web site) on the bottom of each e-mail automatically. Why I say I'm dumb is that you are so obviously on AOL, and we don't have them. I guess the only thing to say in that respect is - don't put your name or address in the main part of the e-mail message - the machine picks it up from the header material. What you put in the Subject block is irrelevant.

When I sent you my response last night, in the incoming mail that I downloaded AFTER uploading your message and others, there was another letter about Lydia Whitney and Moses Adams. I have included it below, and will also forward my response to that person to you in another message (I don't think I can forward two different e-mails in the same message).

Agreed that the ball is back in my court, but I'm going to be setting up my new toy (233 MHz HP Pentium, with lots of bells and whistles and a 4GB HD) over the next couple of days, so it will be a few days before I contact you again.

Here's the lady's message to me, and my response (I figured out how).

>Hi, Allen, > I have a Lydia WHITNEY, bapt. 22 Feb. 1634/5; she marr. Moses ADAMS, >who was b 1654 and d 1724 in Sherborn, MA Lydia d (unk.) prob. in Braintree, MA. I >have as her mother Lydia ELIOT, b Eng, marr ca 1631. I have two possibles as her >father: one is Jonathan WHITNEY; the other is ____ PENNIMAN. > Do you see any possible connections here? I've found so little about this lady, >I'm beginning to think she's a figment of my imagination... > Please let me know if you think there are any possibilities here. > Thanks.... >Barbara Cofer

                                        *********************************

Dear Barbara:

What a coincidence!! I just sent off an answer to someone else who was interested in Lydia Whitney and Moses Adams. However, there seems to be some difference of opinion about which Lydia married this man. Their marriage is listed in the Sherborn, MA, Vital Records as having been on April 15, 1684. I think you may have the wrong Lydia, which is why it is hard to make the connection. Unless your note has a typo,

    >I have a Lydia WHITNEY, bapt. 22 Feb. 1634/5;<

the ages you give are 20 years apart, i.e., Lydia baptised in 1635 (which, BTW, is the year the Whitneys arrived in Watertown, and none of the sons were married yet) and Moses born in 1654.

For a number of reasons based on the various MA Vital Records, I think that the Lydia-3 who married Moses Adams was the daughter of Jonathan-2 and Lydia Jones Whitney, who was born in Watertown 3 Jul 1657 as their first child. We also have this Lydia dying in 1719 in Sherborn, although I cannot check that date as all I have are the Whitney extracts, and she would have been listed among the Adams in that source. Interestingly, the other questioner (whose letter I just answered) thought she had been killed by Indians and asked me if I knew anything about that (which I didn't).

You seem to know more about Moses Adams than we do, so I would be very interested in finding out more about this family from you. All we have is that he was the son of Lt. Henry and Elizabeth Paine Adams, and that he and Lydia had two children, Thomas, born 1688, and James, b. 1693. Anything beyond that would be new to us.

If you come to agree with us about this Lydia, we can help a lot with her ancestry back through the immigrant ancestor John-1 to his birth in St. Margaret's Westminster Parish, (London, England) to Thomas and Mary Bray Whitney.

I hope this has been helpful. I have copied this response to the Whitney maillist. If you would like to get involved with the 200+ members of the "Whitney Research Group" (i.e., the people subscribed to that list), let me know and I'll be glad to help you.

I am most delighted to have heard from you.

Allan E. Green <[email protected]>

                                            *******************************

Looking forward to working with both of you on expanding this branch.

Allan

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:49:46 To: dick stovel <[email protected]>, [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Moses and Lydia (WHITNEY) ADAMS

At 03:35 PM 3/15/98 -0700, dick stovel wrote: > >Robert L Ward wrote: [SNIP] >> The children I have listed for Moses and Lydia (WHITNEY) ADAMS are: [SNIP] >> 10. Thomas, no birth record found. [SNIP] >I have no record of a Thomas, and I would be interested in Robert's source >for him.

The existence of Thomas was sent to the WRG by Robert Young, from compuserve.com (I don't have a better e-mail address than that--sorry!). He cites "The Adams Addenda," vol. 4, p. 81 (1974). I have not seen this reference. He supplies the birthdate of "about 1688" which not only is not supported by the VRs, but conflicts with the other births which are recorded, especially those of Elizabeth, b. 18 Sep 1686, Hannah, b. 8 Feb 1687/8, and Elizabeth, b. 25 Oct 1689. It seems impossible to shoehorn another child in this very tight sequence of children.

I accept the addition of Mary-4 ADAMS, b. 4 Jan 1699/1700, Sherborn, whose birth apparently does appear in the Sherborn VRs.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:35:26 -0700 (PDT) From: dick stovel <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Moses and Lydia (WHITNEY) ADAMS To: [email protected]


Robert L Ward wrote:

>The child I have listed for Moses and >Mary (FAIRBANKS) ADAMS is: > 1. Benoni, b. 3 Nov 1681, Sherborn. >Mary died 15 Nov 1681, probably of the after-effects of childbirth, especially >since her child is named "Benoni." > The children I have listed for Moses and Lydia (WHITNEY) ADAMS are: > 2. Lydia, b. 2 Feb 1683/4, Sherborn. > 3. Elizabeth, b. 18 Sep 1686, Sherborn. > 4. Hannah, b. 8 Feb 1687/8, Sherborn. > 5. Elizabeth, b. 25 Oct 1689, Sherborn. > 6. Moses, b. 26 Nov 1691, Sherborn. > 7. James, b. 7 Jul 1693, Sherborn. > 8. Isaac, b. 4 Mar 1694/5, Sherborn. > 9. Abigail, b. 7 Sep 1697, Sherborn. > 10. Thomas, no birth record found. > >I believe that Lydia, dau. of Moses and Lydia (WHITNEY) ADAMS, said above to >have been born 2 Feb 1683/4, was probably b. 2 Feb 1684/5, instead. That >would satisfy all the usual requirements.

I agree with Robert Ward's data and conclusions, but I would respectfully request that the eminent Whitney researchers consider the inclusion of another child of Moses and Lydia (WHITNEY) ADAMS, namely Mary (my ancestor), born 4 Jan 1699/1700 [Sherborn Vital Records]. Given the rather consistent rate at which Moses and Lydia's children arrived, I would guess that she would merit the number 10 spot above.

I have no record of a Thomas, and I would be interested in Robert's source for him.

The said Mary ADAMS married, 2 Nov 1721, Sherborn, William SHEFFIELD (b. 28 Feb 1699/1700) and had children:

1. Mary, b. 7 Sep 1722, Sherborn 2. Hannah, b. 28 Feb 1723/24, Sherborn 3. Deborah, b. 3 Sep 1726, Holliston 4. Abigail, b. 21 Jul 1729, Holliston

( I am descended from this Abigail SHEFFIELD who married, 17 Oct 1750, Oliver BROWN of Hartford, CT. I would welcome any clues about his origins.)

All my information above is from the Sherborn Vital Records and Holliston Vital Records.


Regards,

             Richard

Richard Stovel [email protected] Dept. of Genetics, Stanford University Stanford, CA 94303

From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:40:22 EST To: [email protected] Subject: D. Whitney & Little Big Horn

Dear WRG:

Still busily archiving mail to floppy in preparation for setting up new computer. Found the thread between Doneva and Shawn about this. Just wondered if anything more had transpired about finding Sgt. D. Whitney. Whenever you find out, don't forget to tell the rest of us.

Allan

From: ValVZ <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:34:48 EST To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Lydia WHITNEY

Barbara -

 I do not know if you are subscribed to the Whitney group, so am sending this

to you and them. My appologies if you get it twice.

 I could not tell from Allen Green's responce to your query which of Lydia's

children your line comes down from. I have some ADAMS data which might help. Though I confess I have done no primary research on either line.

 Richard Stovel in a message dated 98-03-15 18:55:31 EST, wrote (in part):
SNIP

<< I agree with Robert Ward's data and conclusions, but I would respectfully

request that the eminent Whitney researchers consider the inclusion of

another child of Moses and Lydia (WHITNEY) ADAMS, namely Mary (my ancestor), born 4 Jan 1699/1700 [Sherborn Vital Records]. Given the rather consistent rate at which Moses and Lydia's children arrived, I would guess that she would merit the number 10 spot above.

I have no record of a Thomas, and I would be interested in Robert's source
for him. >>
SNIP
 Up to this point my work shows the same, i.e., a 10th child, Mary b 4

1699/1700 and no son, Thomas.

SNIP

<< The said Mary ADAMS married, 2 Nov 1721, Sherborn, William SHEFFIELD

(b. 28 Feb 1699/1700) and had children:
1. Mary, b. 7 Sep 1722,  Sherborn
2. Hannah, b. 28 Feb 1723/24,  Sherborn
3. Deborah, b. 3 Sep 1726,  Holliston
4. Abigail, b. 21 Jul 1729, Holliston
( I am descended from this Abigail SHEFFIELD who married, 17 Oct 1750, Oliver

BROWN of Hartford, CT. I would welcome any clues about his origins.)

All my information above is from the Sherborn Vital Records and Holliston
Vital Records. >>

SNIP

 In the data I have collected the above mentioned Mary (b 1699/1700) is said

to have married Solomon HILL, b 27 Dec 1691, of Sherborn until about 1740. If ture, my line comes down from this union.

However, I do have reason to doubt it. According to John Hill of Dorchester, MA, 1633 and Five Generations of His Descendants, compiled by J. Gardner Bartlett, Boston 1904, pp. 3 - 18 (The same author who wrote a genealogy of the Whitney family) says that Solomon and Mary (ADAMS) HILL's first child was born 3 Jul 1715. Mary, would have only been fifteen years of age. I have a note that the marriage, though no date is offered, may have taken place in Plainfield, CT.

 If anybody has any further information that might through light on this

contrasting data, I would be pleased to know about it.

 [email protected] (Valentine Van Zee)

P.S. The Whitney Genealogy by Bartlett, does not show a 10th child, Mary or Thomas. Though she is mentioned in the Hill book, by the same author, as given above.

From: ValVZ <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:53:45 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Correction to my e-mail, Re: Lydia WHITNEY

To anyone following this discussion:

 I miss spoke when I said Bartlett wrote a Whitney Genealogy, as far as I

know he did not. Or if he did, I have never seen it.

 Bartlett did write an ADAMS genealgoy, and it was this work that I ment to

refer to. He does not mention a 10th child Mary or Thomas.

 Sorry for the goof.
 [email protected]

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:57:06 +0000 From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]> Organization: AT&T To: Michael Maynard <[email protected]> CC: WRG <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: Joel Whitney References: <[email protected]>

Dear Rev Maynard,

I took the liberty of searching for your Joel WHITNEY in my copy of Pierce's book this morning. Here is what I can come up with, as you will see there are Joels (who served in the Rev War) and there is New Hamshire and there are also FARWELLs married into this line, but I don't see where they all connect together. If you need more, please let me know:

Jonas-5 WHITNEY (Jonas, Moses, Richard, John) b. 11 Apr 1806 Harvard, MA m. Zebudah DAVIS 13 Sept 1750 d. 23 Dec 1791 Harvard, MA

              Merriam-6 (1752-1773)
              Ephraim-6 (1754-)
              Jonas-6 (1756-) m. Relief HOLT
              Lydia-6 (1757-1759)
              Salmon-6 (1760-) m. Hepsabeth RAYMOND
              Joel-6 (1762- ) m. Lydia WILLARD
      Israel-6 (1767- ) m. Susannah GERRY
              Peter-6 (1772- ) went to Maine
              Levi-6 (1751- ) m. Sarah LAURENCE & Hepsibeth FAY
              Lucy-6 (?)

Jonas-6 WHITNEY b. 3 May 1756 Harvard, MA m. Relief HOLT d. 26 Nov 1803 He served in the Rev War.

              Zebudah-7 (1782- )
              Jonas-7 (1784-1807)
              Nabby-7 (1786-) unm.
              Rachel-7 (1788- ) m. RUSSELL
              Sally-7 (1789- ) m. John ELLIS
              Levi-7 (1793- ) m. Mary ___
              Relief-7 (1799-1870) m. Gillum BARNES
              Sophronia-7 (1802-) m. John ELLIS
              Infant-7 (1780-1780)

Lieut. Salmon-6 WHITNEY b. 16 Feb 1760 Harvard, MA m. Hepsabeth RAYMOND d. 1844 Harvard MA He served in the Rev War

              Salmon-7 (1788-) m. Eliza SUMNER & Alsa P. POND
              Ephraim-7 (1791-1846)
              John-7 (1803-) m. Mary A. JEWETT
              Justin-7 (1801-) m. Mary C. COTTON
              Nathan-7 (1793-) m. Nancy FARWELL
              Persis-7 (1796-1868) m. Simeon WETHERBEE

Joel-6 WHITNEY b. 15 Oct 1762 Harvard, MA m. Lydia WILLARD 1786 in Rindge NH. While in the employ of Rev. Seth PAYSON at Rindge, New Hampshire, he met his future wife, who was a member of the minister's family. She was smart, active, intelligent, and unusually neat. She was a devout Christian, and the marriage was a happy one. Mr. WHITNEY served in the army during the Revoluntionary war in the Massachusetts Continental line, and during the latter part of his life drew a pension from Nov. 24, 1832. He also served in the war of 1812. Those who knew him say his word was as good as his bond. d. 1 Feb 1842 res of NH.

              Lydia-7 (1787-1846) m. Abial FOSTER
              Lemuel-7 (1789-1869) unm.
              Joel-7 (1792-) m.___ ___
              Jesse-7 (1792-) m. ___ ___
              Daniel-7 (1797-1817)
              Grata-7 (1801-) b. Benjamin MORSE
              Willard-7 (1804-1825)

Nathan-7 WHITNEY (Salmon, Jonas, Jonas, Moses, Richard, John) b. 1 Aug 1793 Harvard, MA m. 23 May 1816 Nancy FARWELL d. 1871 res. Harvard and Chicopee, MA

              Nathan-8
              Nancy Lavina-8
              Newton-8
              Angelina-8
              Julianna-8
              Edwin-8
              Melissa A.-8
              Mary Farwell-8
              Serena-8

Joel-7 WHITNEY (Joel, Jonas, Jonas, Moses, Richard, John) b. 29 Feb 1792 Fitzwilliam, NH m. in Ohio He served in the war of 1812, was captured by the British and taken to England; he finally returned and settled in Ohio, where he married and afterwards resided. He was a farmer. He d. in Ohio.

              No children listed

Jesse-7 WHITNEY (Joel, Jonas, Jonas, Moses, Richard, John) b. 8 Nov 1794 Fitzwilliam, NH m. ____ With his brother Joel he went to Ohio, where he married and followed agricultural pursuits. He amassed quite a fortune. Res. in Ohio

              No children listed.


Hope this helps in anyway, Shawn Whitney Seattle, WA

From: "Michael Maynard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Joel Whitney Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:51:30 -0500

Mr. Aston:

While downloading Robert L. Ward's D.A.R. Patriot Index, Whitney Surname, I came across the name of Joel Whitney, b. _________, d. 1819 NH, m. Ede Holden Farwell, Pvt NH. I believe this is my gr gr gr gr gr gandfather on my Father's side. Robert suggested that I ask you to look up this line in Frederick Clifton Pierce's genealogy of the descendants of John-1 Whitney.

My aunt and I have been searching for information on my gr gr gr grandmother Abigail Whitney for a number of years. Her father was Joel Whitney, Jr. b. __________, d. _______, married Mary Wheeler in Littleton, NH or possibly Chesterfield, Cheshire County, NH.

If you have time could you look up this information, or if you have any information out there, my aunt and I would appreciate being able to tumble a very obstinate brick wall.

Thank you very much:

Rev. Michael E. Maynard [email protected]

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:26:01 -0500 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Correction to Henry database Sender: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Hello everyone: Anyone using the database on HENRY WHITNEY of Ct. & Long Island, please make the following correction to a surname per correspondent Linda DeWald <email: [email protected] >.

She wrote me the following message regarding JOHN GATFIELD and MARTHA WHITNEY.

>>I have reviewed your "Descendants of Henry Whitney" file. Number 573 ii. Martha Whitney is listed as having married a John Catfield of New York. His correct name is Gatfield. He is my GGG Grandfather. He is listed as Gatfield in the Whitney's of CN books.

I hope you can make this correction to the file. Gatfield is a rare name and I am trying to find proof that Alfred is their son. The records of that time and place were lost in a fire.

Thank you again for all your help. The records that you and Robert Ward keep are terrific. If I should find any Whitney records in my search I will let you know.

Sincerely Linda DeWald<<

I'm sure the error was the result of Joan Hicks' tired eyes and simply mistyped. I have changed the name in my working Henry database and the corrected name will be posted when the next Gedcom update is completed & posted.

-) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse

Sent on: 3/16/98


Always looking for information on the surnames: WHITNEY, GOLDSMITH, MUSE, REED

See my Genealogy Home Pages at this URL: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jwmuse/roots.htm



Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:59:40 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif">

Subject: Pensioners of 1835, NH and VT

Dear WRG,

I have just uploaded two pages, one listing Revolutionary War pensioners in 1835 from New Hampshire, the other the same from Vermont. You can find these pages at:

 <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/military/nhpensioners.html>

and

 <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/military/vtpensioners.html>,

respectively. If your Rev. War veteran lived to that age, and was a resident of either state then, it will give his age, which will be a great clue to his birth and parentage.

Enjoy!

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

From: [email protected] (Lois Greer) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:41:42 -0500 To: [email protected] Subject: Foods of choice

  My Grandson is doing a study on Mr.Whitney and he needs to find out

what foods he liked to eat .If you can help I would appreciate it .

     Thank You Lois Greer

From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:54:50 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Foods of choice

Dear Lois:

Since we have probably well over 1000 Mr. Whitneys to choose from, perhaps you could be just a bit more specific.

Allan E. Green

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:00:17 -0500 From: Kevin Spaulding <[email protected]> Organization: Eastman Kodak Company To: [email protected] Cc: "Spaulding, Kevin" <[email protected]> Subject: Mercy ROBINSON/Nathaniel WHITNEY-4

I am looking for anyone else who might be researching the ancestry of Mercy ROBINSON (b. 6 Sep 1676, Cambridge, MA; d. 31 Dec 1740, Watertown, MA) who married Nathaniel-4 WHITNEY (John-1, John-2, Nathaniel-3). I recently ran across a website

http://www.genealogy.org/~svpafug/v_price/index.htm

that gave several generations of Mercy's ancestry. He shows Mercy being the daughter of William ROBINSON (b. abt 1640, Great Moorsholm, York, England; d. 1 Mar 1693) and Elizabeth Cutter (b. 15 Jul 1645, Cambridge, MA; d. 10 Jan 1663, Cambridge, MA) If anyone else is working on this line, I would love to exchange information with you.

Regards,

Kevin Spaulding

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Subject: McCurdy's Restaurant

Thought you all might like to see this. http://www.webcom.com/morandan/Silverdart/McCurdy.html

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Subject: HSPD

>From one McCurdy to another .....

Happy St. Patrick's Day !

From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:51:05 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Foods of choice

In a message dated 98-03-17 07:58:20 EST, you write:

>The Mr, Eli Whitney himself was the one my Grandson is doing a paper on >and I don`t know if you can help with the foods he prefered or not. >Thanks > Lois

Dear Mrs. Green:

I am not personally descended directly from Mr. Eli Whitney, of Cotton Gin invention fame, and so would have no family documents that would shed any light on his preferences when it came to the foods he liked to eat. If you will forgive me, it does seem like an odd kind of question to be a part of a school report, assumedly for an history class.

I would have to read at least a half dozen books including one or more biographies of Mr. Eli Whitney and several social histories of the time in which he lived to determine what the prevailing diet of people in the areas of the United States in which he lived and worked. I know he was originally from New England, and they often do eat a bit more seafood than did some of the rest of the country, as well as some occasionally odd meals like a New England Boiled Dinner. Mr. Whitney spent a good deal of time in various parts of the south, like Virginia and the Carolinas, where they grow the cotton. In those areas I would imagine that there were some local eating habits that also had an influence on his eating. My wife is from the area of eastern Virginia near the North Carolina border, the part where they now raise far more peanuts than cotton, and she has some old family recipes that involve Southern Fried Chicken, yams, corn bread or pone, greens cooked with ham hocks, peanut soup and some that were handed down from colonial days. The latter included tipsy cake, spotted dick, and various bread and rice "puddings". Beyond this I can offer no suggestions. Perhaps your grandson could concentrate more on Mr. Whitney's contributions to the economic life of the South by developing a means to "clean" the cotton bolls of their cottonseed that was more efficient than picking them out by hand, a most labor intensive process. It would seem logical that the entire textile industry that grew up, both in the New England and later in the South itself was spurred by the advent of plentiful and cheap cotton, thanks to Eli Whitney's invention.

I wish I could have been more helpful, but this aspect of history is not my primary area of expertise. If there is anything I have written above that your grandson can use in his paper, he is most welcome to cite this letter as a source. I hope he has been busily reading everything he can find about Eli Whitney. Have you asked your local librarian for assistance on finding material about him? They are often able to steer their patrons to good sources for information, both in the books available in the library and in the resources available on the Internet in this modern, electronic age. Since I grew up using libraries for my source of information, I am more comfortable looking for a book about something than I am in "surfing the 'Net". I would just beg of you not to let your grandson simply copy an encyclopaedia article. That is the worst possible training for someone to succeed in school and in life.

I wish you and the boy well.

Professor Allan E. Green Union College Barbourville, KY 40906

From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:51:06 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Mercy ROBINSON/Nathaniel WHITNEY-4

Dear Kevin:

I am delighted to see your posting on this subject. I descend from Samuel Whitney, one of Nathaniel Whitney's brothers, and so am quite interested in Mercy Robinson's ancestry. All we currently seem to have in the Whitney Research Group database is the names of her mother and father with approximate birthdates. Of course, I can and will go to the website for which you cited the URL, but if you think that further discussion would be fruitful, I would be happy to continue contact on the matter. Certainly, we can help you by supplying any details about the Whitneys that you might need to fill out your data on that family. We can, for instance, provide the English background (i.e., parents and siblings) of the immigrant, John-1 Whitney.

I hope to hear from you again soon.

Allan E. Green <[email protected]>

From: AJamesWhit <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:39:34 EST To: [email protected], [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Foods of choice

Lois,

Eli spent quite a bit of time in the New Haven, Connecticut area, where he studied as a student at Yale. I believe there is a Museum at Whitneyville, which is a suburb of New Haven. The Museum is in an old Mill where he worked on a number of inventions. They may have personal papers or ideas on his food preferences.

As a bit of trivia, he could not afford to attend Yale after being accepted there and worked as a teacher in Paxton, Massachusetts, a town just north of Worcster in Central Massachusetts. The headmaster allowed Eli to stay at his house so he could save his teaching stipend for his Yale expenses. This is how he was able to afford to go to Yale.

Good luck on the project.

Jim Whitney

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:16:18 -0500 (EST) From: "John E. Fischer" <[email protected]> To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Archive?

Is this list archived anywhere? If so where and is it searchable?

John E Fischer [email protected] Cincinnati Ohio USA

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:18:53 -0700 From: Nancy Carter <[email protected]> Organization: To-Na-Pa Ltd. To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Help

Can someone help?? When I subscribed to this list, my e-mail address for subscribing was one way and then my server changed it where it is different when I send mail but can still receive at both addresses. I am trying to unsubscribe but keep getting the message I'm not subscribed. I CANT unsubscribe. I responded to that message but have gotten no reply. Does anyone know who the listowner is that I can contact privately?

-- Nancy in Williams, AZ Genealogy= Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living! Homepage: http://micromagic.net/~nmcarter Mail to: [email protected]


Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:41:48 +0000 From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]> Organization: AT&T

To: Martin Roberts <[email protected]> CC: Listserver WHITNEY <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Joel Whitney References: <[email protected]>

Martin Roberts wrote: > > Shawn, if you have Pierce's book, would you please look up the following: > > WHITNEY Benjamin Jr - Born ??, d ?? s/o ?? Benjamin Whitney Jr of Little > River Plt (Lisbon Falls) m int 12 Nov 1795, Mary/Polly Varnum of Bowdoin ME > (was she b 1768? at Topsham ME? & d Sept 1849/50, see 1850 Census of > Webster ME). Children: Ralph b 24 Dec 1797; Abigail b 6 May 1810; Peggy b 9 > Feb 1804; Mary b 6 Dec 1805; Diana b 26 Jan 1807; Stover b 13 Jan 1809; > Samuel b 21 Mar 1801. > [VR Bowdoin, ME] [printed VR Bowdoin ME] > > I'm looking for any further information on Peggy b 1804. > > Thanks and regards, > Martin > Martin Roberts [email protected]


Dear Martin, I made an attempt at your lookup last evening. There are approx. 112 Benjamin WHITNEY's listed in Pierce's book. Without having to scan through each and everyone of those, I tried a different approach. I looked for a more unusual given name associated with him: There is no Stover listed: and I also looked under the "other surnames" for a Varnum and did not find anything. Is River Plt (Lisbon Falls) in Maine? Do you have any more clues that might help with the search? -- Always looking, Shawn Boone Whitney [email protected]

Researching Ger-Rus surnames: KNODEL,KREITER,RIEKER

Also: BOONE, ELDER, ELLIS, EWING, GAMBLE, GODLEY, HUGGINS, JACKSON, KINNE, MANNING, OHMER, SMALL, STONE, TAYLOR, TOWER, WHITNEY, YOUNGS and others

From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: 18 Mar 1998 11:13:56 CST/CDT Subject: Richard Whitney, ME

I'm still searching for the parents of Andrew Whitney, b. 4 June 1823 in ME, but may have a clue. He is listed in the 1850 census as living in Sebec, ME, along with his wife Mary Livermore. Living nearby was Richard Whitney, age 69, and his wife Martha, age 63. I have a hunch Richard & Martha may be Andrew's parents.

Question 1: Does anyone know who Richard's children were?

Question 2: Is this the same Richard Whitney who was born in Gorham, ME on 20 July 1780 to Moses Whitney & Mary Page?

Richard's household in the 1850 census included w. Martha (63), and children Sarah, 31, Lucy, 22, George, 19, Alma, 15, and John, 7, all b. in ME.

Greg Cote Edwards, IL

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:41:11 To: [email protected], Martin Roberts <[email protected]> From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Joel Whitney Cc: Listserver WHITNEY <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]>

At 08:41 AM 3/18/98 +0000, Shawn Whitney wrote: >Martin Roberts wrote: >> >> Shawn, if you have Pierce's book, would you please look up the following: >> >> WHITNEY Benjamin Jr - Born ??, d ?? s/o ?? Benjamin Whitney Jr of Little >> River Plt (Lisbon Falls) m int 12 Nov 1795, Mary/Polly Varnum of Bowdoin ME >> (was she b 1768? at Topsham ME? & d Sept 1849/50, see 1850 Census of >> Webster ME). Children: Ralph b 24 Dec 1797; Abigail b 6 May 1810; Peggy b 9 >> Feb 1804; Mary b 6 Dec 1805; Diana b 26 Jan 1807; Stover b 13 Jan 1809; >> Samuel b 21 Mar 1801. >> [VR Bowdoin, ME] [printed VR Bowdoin ME] >> >> I'm looking for any further information on Peggy b 1804. >> >> Thanks and regards, >> Martin >> Martin Roberts [email protected] > > >Dear Martin, >I made an attempt at your lookup last evening. There are approx. 112 >Benjamin WHITNEY's listed in Pierce's book. Without having to scan >through each and everyone of those, I tried a different approach. I >looked for a more unusual given name associated with him: There is no >Stover listed: and I also looked under the "other surnames" for a >Varnum and did not find anything. Is River Plt (Lisbon Falls) in >Maine? Do you have any more clues that might help with the search? >-- >Always looking, >Shawn Boone Whitney >[email protected]

I believe that I have found your Benjamin WHITNEY. <GRIN>

On 23 Jul 1997, Marion Whitney Leska sent: "This information is taken from "Hinckleys of Maine-The Ancestry and Descendants of Samuel (4) Hinckley of Brunswick, Maine," by Marlene Alma Hinkley Groves."

On 9 Aug 1997, she continued: "The book, Hinckleys of Maine, etc., is available from Picton Press, Box 250 Rockport, Maine, 04841-0250 for $29.95 plus $4.00 for shipping; or from the author, Marlene Groves, 16 Traverse Street, Rockland, Maine, 04841-2213.

"Mary or Mercy HINCKLEY (Shubeal(5), Samuel(4), Samuel(3), Thomas(2), Samuel(1)) b. 7 or 23 Oct 1734, York,Maine; d. 13 Nov 1814 in Lisbon Falls, Maine; m.(int. 15 Jun 1752)25 Jul 1752, Benjamin Whitney, b. 22 May or 2 Jun 1725 or 1727 (honest, this is the way the dates are given. The first is referenced by O.S. [i.e. Old Style --RLW] and the second by N.S [i.e. New Style --RLW]--now I have to go back and get the references!) York, Maine, d. 8 Nov 1787, Lisbon Falls, Maine, son of John and Letty or Lettie (Ford) Whitney; both buried Hillside Cemetery, Lisbon Falls, Maine. He settled in Little River, Lisbon, Maine. Served in Rev. War; was owner of the first grist mill in Lisbon, Maine, and owned farm. CHILDREN (Surname WHITNEY)

i. Abraham, b 19 Aug 1753 ii. Sarah, b. 4 May 1755, Sebascodigan (Harpswell,)Maine. iii. Isaac, b. 22 May, 1757 (The roman numeral iv has been omitted--I think unintentionally, but there is a four year span rather than the two years between every other child.) v. Rachel, b. 25 Apr 1761, Georgetown, Maine; res. Phillips, Maine. m. Miller Hinckley, son of John and Hannah (Oliver) Hinckley. (The family of Rachael and Miller is also followed in this book, but I didn't copy it. If you want me to, let me know.) vi. Jacob, b. 11 June 1763 vii. Isabel, b. 2 Aug 1765 viii. Nathan, b. abt 1768 ix. Benjamin; settled in Bowdoin, Maine. x. Joseph, b. 1 May 1770, m. (int. 10 Feb 1797, he of Little River, she of New Gloucester) Rebecca Stinchfield, b. 12 Jun 1775; res. Phillips, Me. xi. Samuel, b. 6 Feb 1774 xii. Thankful (One Thankful Whitney m. [int. 1 Sep 1796, both of Little River,Me.] Zebulon Colson.)"

Now this last Benjamin, born perhaps in the 1770-1774 gap, is surely your man. How many Benjamin WHITNEYs from Lisbon Falls settled in Bowdoin? Furthermore, he was "Jr." because his father was Benjamin (this is not a hard-and-fast rule, but is the most frequent case). The husband of Mercy HINCKLEY was Benjamin-4 WHITNEY [John-3, Benjamin-2, John-1], whose (outdated and incomplete) family record can be found at:

 <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/john/num274.html#280>

Follow the links from there to his patrilineal ancestry.

We would be delighted to receive information on the descendants of this Benjamin-5 and Polly (VARNUM) WHITNEY. If you can send it in GEDCOM format, send it to Jon Aston at <[email protected]>. If not, send it to the mailing list, <[email protected]>, and we'll figure out what to do with it from there.

Shawn, with this information, perhaps now you can find Benjamin-5 in Pierce and tell us what it says about him (if anything).

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:45:56 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Richard Whitney, ME

At 11:13 AM 3/18/98 CST/CDT, [email protected] wrote: >I'm still searching for the parents of Andrew Whitney, b. 4 June 1823 in >ME, but may have a clue. He is listed in the 1850 census as living in >Sebec, ME, along with his wife Mary Livermore. Living nearby was >Richard Whitney, age 69, and his wife Martha, age 63. I have a hunch >Richard & Martha may be Andrew's parents. > >Question 1: Does anyone know who Richard's children were? > >Question 2: Is this the same Richard Whitney who was born in Gorham, ME >on 20 July 1780 to Moses Whitney & Mary Page? > >Richard's household in the 1850 census included w. Martha (63), and >children Sarah, 31, Lucy, 22, George, 19, Alma, 15, and John, 7, all b. >in ME. > >Greg Cote >Edwards, IL

The man of Question #2 above was Richard-6 WHITNEY, son of Moses-5 and Mary (PAGE) WHITNEY [Nathaniel-4, Nathaniel-3, Benjamin-2, John-1].

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:10:50 -0500 From: Bert Smith <[email protected]> Subject: Mercy Robinson ancestry Sender: Bert Smith <[email protected]>

To: "INTERNET:[email protected]" <[email protected]>

Kevin,

Thanks for referring us to the web page with the Mercy Robinson ancestry. I have downloaded quite a bit of new-to-me information. Have you had a chance to check if there is documentation on this material?

My line from Nathaniel Jr is through Nathaniel Whitney III (5) and his daughter Lois who married Abiel Chamberlin.

(By the way Robert and Allan, have you corrected the spelling of Abiel's name in the database? I have seen his tombstone in Peacham, VT and can vouch for the ABIEL spelling.)

Bert Smith

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:54:48 -0500 From: Bert Smith <[email protected]> Subject: Robinson/Cutter et al. Sender: Bert Smith <[email protected]> To: "INTERNET:[email protected]" <[email protected]>

Kevin and others,

Not long after I started working with the downloads of the Mercy Robinson material I started seeing problems. According to the material Mercy Robinson was born 13 years after her mother died! I think we need to handle this material with extreme doubt and find independent confirmation of anything we enter in our records. Can we find a second marriage for Mercy's father, William Robinson? Anyone have access to Cambridge VR's?

Also: According to Torrey the William Robinson who married Ursula Adams, was still married to his first wife Margaret ?Buck? in 1640 when William (Jr), would have been born, and didn't marry Ursula until about 1667.

Bert

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:43:20 +0000 From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]> Organization: AT&T To: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> CC: Martin Roberts <[email protected]>,

       Listserver WHITNEY <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: Joel Whitney References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>

Robert L. Ward wrote: > > At 08:41 AM 3/18/98 +0000, Shawn Whitney wrote: > >Martin Roberts wrote: > >> > >> Shawn, if you have Pierce's book, would you please look up the following: > >> > >> WHITNEY Benjamin Jr - Born ??, d ?? s/o ?? Benjamin Whitney Jr of Little > >> River Plt (Lisbon Falls) m int 12 Nov 1795, Mary/Polly Varnum of Bowdoin ME > >> (was she b 1768? at Topsham ME? & d Sept 1849/50, see 1850 Census of > >> Webster ME). Children: Ralph b 24 Dec 1797; Abigail b 6 May 1810; Peggy b 9 > >> Feb 1804; Mary b 6 Dec 1805; Diana b 26 Jan 1807; Stover b 13 Jan 1809; > >> Samuel b 21 Mar 1801. > >> [VR Bowdoin, ME] [printed VR Bowdoin ME] > >> > >> I'm looking for any further information on Peggy b 1804. > >> > >> Thanks and regards, > >> Martin > >> Martin Roberts [email protected] > > > > > >Dear Martin, > >I made an attempt at your lookup last evening. There are approx. 112 > >Benjamin WHITNEY's listed in Pierce's book. Without having to scan > >through each and everyone of those, I tried a different approach. I > >looked for a more unusual given name associated with him: There is no > >Stover listed: and I also looked under the "other surnames" for a > >Varnum and did not find anything. Is River Plt (Lisbon Falls) in > >Maine? Do you have any more clues that might help with the search? > >-- > >Always looking, > >Shawn Boone Whitney > >[email protected] > > I believe that I have found your Benjamin WHITNEY. <GRIN> > > On 23 Jul 1997, Marion Whitney Leska sent: > "This information is taken from "Hinckleys of Maine-The Ancestry and > Descendants of Samuel (4) Hinckley of Brunswick, Maine," by Marlene Alma > Hinkley Groves." > > On 9 Aug 1997, she continued: > "The book, Hinckleys of Maine, etc., is available from Picton Press, Box 250 > Rockport, Maine, 04841-0250 for $29.95 plus $4.00 for shipping; or from the > author, Marlene Groves, 16 Traverse Street, Rockland, Maine, 04841-2213. > > "Mary or Mercy HINCKLEY (Shubeal(5), Samuel(4), Samuel(3), Thomas(2), > Samuel(1)) b. 7 or 23 Oct 1734, York,Maine; d. 13 Nov 1814 in Lisbon Falls, > Maine; m.(int. 15 Jun 1752)25 Jul 1752, Benjamin Whitney, b. 22 May or 2 Jun > 1725 or 1727 (honest, this is the way the dates are given. The first is > referenced by O.S. [i.e. Old Style --RLW] and the second by N.S [i.e. New > Style --RLW]--now I have to go back and get the references!) York, Maine, d. > 8 Nov 1787, Lisbon Falls, Maine, son of John and Letty or Lettie (Ford) > Whitney; both buried Hillside Cemetery, Lisbon Falls, Maine. He settled in > Little River, Lisbon, Maine. Served in Rev. War; was owner of the first > grist mill in Lisbon, Maine, and owned farm. > CHILDREN (Surname WHITNEY) > > i. Abraham, b 19 Aug 1753 > ii. Sarah, b. 4 May 1755, Sebascodigan (Harpswell,)Maine. > iii. Isaac, b. 22 May, 1757 > (The roman numeral iv has been omitted--I think unintentionally, but > there is a four year span rather than the two years between every other > child.) > v. Rachel, b. 25 Apr 1761, Georgetown, Maine; res. Phillips, Maine. m. > Miller Hinckley, son of John and Hannah (Oliver) Hinckley. (The family > of Rachael and Miller is also followed in this book, but I didn't copy > it. If you want me to, let me know.) > vi. Jacob, b. 11 June 1763 > vii. Isabel, b. 2 Aug 1765 > viii. Nathan, b. abt 1768 > ix. Benjamin; settled in Bowdoin, Maine. > x. Joseph, b. 1 May 1770, m. (int. 10 Feb 1797, he of Little River, she > of New Gloucester) Rebecca Stinchfield, b. 12 Jun 1775; res. Phillips, > Me. > xi. Samuel, b. 6 Feb 1774 > xii. Thankful (One Thankful Whitney m. [int. 1 Sep 1796, both of Little > River,Me.] Zebulon Colson.)" > > Now this last Benjamin, born perhaps in the 1770-1774 gap, is surely > your man. How many Benjamin WHITNEYs from Lisbon Falls settled in > Bowdoin? Furthermore, he was "Jr." because his father was Benjamin > (this is not a hard-and-fast rule, but is the most frequent case). The > husband of Mercy HINCKLEY was Benjamin-4 WHITNEY [John-3, Benjamin-2, > John-1], whose (outdated and incomplete) family record can be found at: > <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/john/num274.html#280> > Follow the links from there to his patrilineal ancestry. > > We would be delighted to receive information on the descendants of this > Benjamin-5 and Polly (VARNUM) WHITNEY. If you can send it in GEDCOM > format, send it to Jon Aston at <[email protected]>. If not, send it to the > mailing list, <[email protected]>, and we'll figure out what to do > with it from there. > > Shawn, with this information, perhaps now you can find Benjamin-5 in > Pierce and tell us what it says about him (if anything). > > Regards, > > Robert > Here is what Pierce says: (Thanks Robert!)


JOHN-3 WHITNEY (Benjamin, John). b. York, Me., about 1678; m. there Letty or Lettis Ford, the dau. of John Ford; b. in York, Me.

  He was born in York, Me., and in 1703, at the age of 23, with his

two brothers, Nathaniel and Timothy, was a member of the military company, commanded by Capt. Abraham Preble, of York. "This company comprised the flower of York, or the young men of that date."

  John Whitney witnessed will of John Moore, at York, in 1713.  I

have been unable to find any record of his property, though it is stated in his brother Nathaniel's deed that he, Nathaniel, owned property adjoining that of John.

  He settle in New Meadows, Me., in 1739, he d.______; res. York and

Lisbon Falls, Me.

            i      Mary, b. Mar. 12 1704; m. Oct 16, 1723, Thomas Edward; res.
          Kittery, Me.
            ii.    Samuel, b. May 5, 1707; m. Lydia ____
         iii.      Elizabeth, b. May 7 1709
         iv.       Hannah, b. Apr. 17, 1710
            v.     Mercy, b.______
         vi        Mehitable, b. _____
        vii   John b. May 4, 1719
            viii        Benjamin, b. May 22, 1725; m. Mercy Hinckley

BENJAMIN-4 WHITNEY (John, Benjamin, John) b. May 22, 1725; m. Mercy Hinckley, b. Oct 23, 1734; d. Nov 14 1814.

  He was born in York, Me and settled in Little River, Lisbon, me. He

was part owner of the first grist mill there, and during his lifetime was the miller. He served in the Revolutionary war.

  The Benjamin Whitney mentioned above, son of John and Lettis,

settled at Little River, Now Lisbon Falls. His wife was Mercy Hinckley.

  I have three accounts of this couple.  One copied from a printed

town history gives the births and deaths; Benjamin, b. May 22, 1725; d. Nov 8, 1797; Mercy H., b. Oct 23, 1734; d. Nov 13, 1814. The town clerk at Lisbon Falls, Benjamin's birth (copied) June 2, 1727, but Mr. Jacob Whitney, of Lison, Me., wrote in 1882 as follows: "There were three brothers who came to Brunswick, Me.; one went into the eastern part of the state; one settled in Gorham, Me., and the third remained at Brunswick, at a place called New Meadows. This last one had a son named Benjamin, my ancestor."

  He was born in 1725, and married Mercy Hinckley, of Brunswick.

They moved to Lisbon and had eleven childre, as follows: Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Rachel, Jacob, Benjamin, Isabel, Nathan, Joseph, Samuel, and Thankful. Samuel, Thankful, Abraham, Isaac, and Sarah all remained in Lisbon; Jacob, Joseph, Rachel, and Isabel settled in Phillips, Me.; Nathan in Augusta, and Benjamin in Bowdoin. Joseph afterward moved to Ohio." He d. Nov 8, 1797 res. Lisbon, Me.

         i.       Abraham, b. in 1752; m. Aphia Coombs.
         ii.      Isaac, b.____; settled at Little River
         iii.     Jacob, b. June 11, 1763 m. Hannah Mills
         iv.      Nathan, b. about 1768; m. Sarah Godfrey and Fanny Shephard.
         v.       Benjamin, b. ______; settled in Bowdoin, Me.
         vi.      Joseph, b.____; m.____ res. in Phillips, Me.
         vii.     Samuel, b. in 1774; m. Lyida Curit
         viii.    Sarah, b._____
         ix.      Rebecca, b.______
         x.       Rachel, b._____; res. Phillips, Me.
         xi.      Thankful, b. _____
         xii.     Isabel, b. _____; res. Phillips, Me.

Pierce goes on to give detail regarding Abraham-5; Jacob-5 and Nathan-5. There is no further information on this Benjamin-5.

Sorry. Let me know if you need anything else.

Shawn Whitney Seattle, WA [email protected]

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:20:37 +0000 To: [email protected], [email protected] From: Malcolm Bebb <[email protected]> Subject: New Welsh Mailing List - Powys and North Wales

Hello All,

I'm posting to announce my new Welsh family history mailing list - the Powys and North Wales list (POWYS-L). This list is intended to cover two areas of Wales, the central Powys counties of Montgomery, Radnor and Brecon and the old northern counties of Merioneth, Caernarfon, Anglesey, Denbigh and Flint.

Between the Glamorgan, Midmarch, Dyfed and now the Powys/North Lists, there is finally full coverage of Wales!

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containing just the word: subscribe

(please switch off automatic signatures - it confuses the software!)

Hope to see you there!

Malcolm

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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:46:33 +0000 From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]> Organization: AT&T To: Listserver WHITNEY <[email protected]>

Subject: Royal Whitneys

I have a question for the list tonight. My husband is commuting between Seattle and Boca Raton, Florida for a few weeks. He is working on a project at the Boca Raton Resort and Country Club that was built in about the 1920s. He brought home a booklet on "the club" and here is what the first page says:

    "The 1890s.  An era of white linen suits, lawn tennis and opulent

indulgence. America's royalty had become Palm Beach's first social registry: Flagler, Stotesbury, Singer, Whitney, and the like.

    Flamboyant and visionary architect, Addison Mizner, had designed

their Mediterranean Renaissance "castles" by the sea. Soon, he dreamed of a lavish seaside playground where society could revel in royal grandeur. In 1897 his dream was named Boca Raton. In 1926 it had its own castle. Then, the Cloister Inn. Now the Boca Raton Resort & Club."

Aside from the opulent indulgence...sounds like a nice crowd huh?

Does anyone now which Whitney they speak of? I can assume the Whitney-Vanderbilt crowd...but why don't they mention the Vanderbilts then? They had more "royal grandeur than the Whitneys didn't they? Anyone know of an "opulent" Whitney line besides them?

Hi Doneva <grin> -- Always looking, Shawn Boone Whitney [email protected]

From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 01:59:23 EST To: [email protected], [email protected],

       [email protected],

[email protected],

       [email protected]

Cc: [email protected], [email protected],

       [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
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Subject: What's on the Subject Line!

Dear Fellow Searchers:

I think it is again time to remind all that there are at least several hundred members of these various lists who have sworn a pact NEVER TO READ any message that comes with "Unidentified Subject" or "No Subject" or " " in the Subject area at the top of an e-mail message. If you want your message read, put something in the Subject area that will speak to the nature and content of your message or query. Surnames, Time-Frames and Places are the most likely to get read. "Genealogy" is not a helpful Subject heading - if we weren't all involved with that, we wouldn't be on these maillists.

Tonight's 60 odd messages contained seven that I deleted without opening for the above reasons. I wonder if I might have had some information for the sender? We'll never know, will we?

Allan E. Green

From: KTrouvat <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 05:57:07 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Jabez WHITNEY 1780 ME

Hi to All,

I haven't posted in some time and wonder if anyone (perhaps some new members) might have come up with information on this Whitney,

Jabez WHITNEY b. 22 Mar 1780 of N. Yarmouth,ME

 MARRIAGE:11 Mar 18 Chesterville,Franklin,ME
 Abigail Milk WHEELER b. 12 Aug 1784 York,ME

Children------------

1.Joseph I. WHITNEY
2.Lydia WHITNEY
3.Thankful WHITNEY
4.Lucinda WHITNEY
5.Mary WHITNEY
6.Ann WHITNEY
7.John WHITNEY
8.Ebsey WHITNEY

9.Miranda WHITNEY

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:02:01 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Royal Whitneys

At 07:46 PM 3/20/98 +0000, you wrote: >I have a question for the list tonight. My husband is commuting >between Seattle and Boca Raton, Florida for a few weeks. He is >working on a project at the Boca Raton Resort and Country Club that >was built in about the 1920s. He brought home a booklet on "the club" >and here is what the first page says: > > "The 1890s. An era of white linen suits, lawn tennis and opulent >indulgence. America's royalty had become Palm Beach's first social >registry: Flagler, Stotesbury, Singer, Whitney, and the like. > Flamboyant and visionary architect, Addison Mizner, had designed >their Mediterranean Renaissance "castles" by the sea. Soon, he >dreamed of a lavish seaside playground where society could revel in >royal grandeur. In 1897 his dream was named Boca Raton. In 1926 it >had its own castle. Then, the Cloister Inn. Now the Boca Raton >Resort & Club." > >Aside from the opulent indulgence...sounds like a nice crowd huh? > >Does anyone now which Whitney they speak of? I can assume the >Whitney-Vanderbilt crowd...but why don't they mention the Vanderbilts >then? They had more "royal grandeur than the Whitneys didn't they? >Anyone know of an "opulent" Whitney line besides them?

This was the rich WHITNEY family of New York (William Collins WHITNEY, etc.). Perhaps the Vanderbilts wintered elsewhere?

There was also Richard WHITNEY, the embezzler, who was quite rich at one time, and Asa WHITNEY, the railroad magnate (but he was of an earlier generation). Check out <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/famous.html>.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 06:15:52 -0800 To: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]>, [email protected],

       [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected], [email protected]

From: sherrill madden <[email protected]> Subject: Re: What's on the Subject Line! Cc: [email protected], [email protected],

       [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
       [email protected]


I heartily agree ... I also dump (unopened) messages that do not have a subject clearly defined. Subjects like "roll call" " please read" "help" are also passed up. Thank you for bringing this area to light once again.



At 01:59 AM 3/21/98 EST, ALLAGREEN wrote: >Dear Fellow Searchers: > >I think it is again time to remind all that there are at least several hundred >members of these various lists who have sworn a pact NEVER TO READ any message >that comes with "Unidentified Subject" or "No Subject" or " " in the >Subject area at the top of an e-mail message. If you want your message read, >put something in the Subject area that will speak to the nature and content of >your message or query. Surnames, Time-Frames and Places are the most likely >to get read. "Genealogy" is not a helpful Subject heading - if we weren't all >involved with that, we wouldn't be on these maillists. > >Tonight's 60 odd messages contained seven that I deleted without opening for >the above reasons. I wonder if I might have had some information for the >sender? We'll never know, will we? > >Allan E. Green > > Sherrill Madden

"Words form the thread on which we string our experience." Aldous Huxley, Brave New World

Seeking : COX [KS, CA] ~ QUAY [NY, MI, IN] ~ SHUEY [IA] southeastern US: MADDEN, SHIRLEY (Myra Maybelle SHIRLEY aka: Belle Starr)] Erie/Niagara/St. Lawrence Co's NY: MORRELL, ROSCOE, TAYLOR, TUCKER, WHITNEY

From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:27:13 EST To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: Royal Whitneys

Dear Shawn:

At the time in question, I have only the most general knowledge of the "wealthy" Whitneys. I believe there was a David Whitney family that was prominent in New York banking circles in the 19th C. - and there have been several Whitney families whose names are associated with manufacturing enterprises (for example, Pratt-Whitney airplane engines). I think the Payson/Whitney family had money by that time, as well. I think that is the family that eventually got involved with the New York Mets. Check the list of Whitney references on Robert Ward's website, there may be a book or two that were biographies of wealthy and socially prominent Whitneys. I remember seeing one once, but have no idea who wrote it or what its title is.

Allan

From: "Lee Dixon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: From "Whitney Father, Whitney Heirness" Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:36:16 -0500 Importance: Normal

William Collins Whitney was born in rural Massachusetts in 1841 of estimable lineage but slender fortune. Educated at Yale, charming, and with a calm authority even in his youth, he seemed destined to a brillant future. His marriage to Flora Payne, the vivacious though not truly beautiful Cleveland heiress, could only have appeared to enhance his prospects.

Dividing his time between Washington and New York, Whitney abandoned the road to the White House to make a fortune of his own, while trying to accomodate Flora's social ambitions in a day when Mrs. Astor was queen of the "400" and "parvenus' like the Vanderbitls were spending millions to storm the gates. Whitney, the charmer, the mediator, the consummate politician and a pivotal force in Tammany and the national Democratic party, made his fortune by methods so subtle that they remained undiscovered in his lifetime. But he was not to escape tragedy.

His daughter Dorothy, an heiress to millions, was an orphan at seventeen. A lover of dance and society, but with a social conscience lacking in her parents she fell in love, while touring China, with Willard Dickerman Straight. Although negotiating enormous banking transactions in Peking and serving as advisor to railroad magnate E.H. Harriman, who was attempting to create a round-the-world transportation system by hooking up with the trans-siberian Railway, Straight had neither social standing nor money. Dorothy's family was horrified. she had rejected dozens of suitors who had both. but Straight was handson and gifted and, like Dorothy, had political and social ideals. She married him and and their marriage was touching in its closeness. Persisting in their political and social concern, they were founders of the _The New Republic_, and Dorothy was instrumental in starting the New School for Social Research. But their marriage, too, would be cut short.

>From the flyleaf of "Whitney Father, Whitney Heiress Two generations of one of America's richest families" by W.A. Swanberg, published by Charles Scribner's Sons in 1980.


Lee mailto:[email protected]

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:52:13 -0800 From: knights <[email protected]> To: wrg <[email protected]> Subject: Elijah Whitney

Does anyone know who Elijah's father was?

Elijah who m. Lydia McElwaine was b. 7-8-1755 , d. 8-10-1842 Pvt. VT, MA - DAR Patriot Index - pg. 740.

Harvard, MA Vital Records - Elijah, s. of wid. Rebekah, b. 7-8-1755

Are either or both of these the same Rebekah?

Rebecca (wid., C.R.1.) and Dea., (C.R.1.) m. Joshua Whitney of Stow, Jan. 25, 1764


Rebekah wid. July 27, 1780 of advanced age (C.R. 1).

Any info would be appreciated.

Colleen

From: Lougauth <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:26:13 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Joanna S. Whitney

My family tree connects with yours with the marriage of Joanna S. Whitney and Cyrus K. Ward.

Some additional information that I have is as follows:

I have Joanna's birth date as 12/10/1837 because I had a note that she died at age 40 years, 1 month and 26 days. I also had the same death date of 2/6/1878.

They also had a son named Loring Ward who died 1/7/1868 in Baldwin Maine.

Cyrus K. Ward was an Elder. I have his place of death as Cumberland Mills, Maine. Cyrus also had another wife named Susan T. but I do not know if she was his first wife or if Joanna was his first.

Hope this information is useful for your research.

Louise D. Gauthier [email protected]

From: Lougauth <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:30:43 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Fwd: Joanna S. Whitney

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One additional fact: Cyrus K. Ward was born 1/2/1835 in Baldwin, Maine.

Louise D. Gauthier From: Lougauth <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Joanna S. Whitney Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:26:13 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)

My family tree connects with yours with the marriage of Joanna S. Whitney and Cyrus K. Ward.

Some additional information that I have is as follows:

I have Joanna's birth date as 12/10/1837 because I had a note that she died at age 40 years, 1 month and 26 days. I also had the same death date of 2/6/1878.

They also had a son named Loring Ward who died 1/7/1868 in Baldwin Maine.

Cyrus K. Ward was an Elder. I have his place of death as Cumberland Mills, Maine. Cyrus also had another wife named Susan T. but I do not know if she was his first wife or if Joanna was his first.

Hope this information is useful for your research.

Louise D. Gauthier [email protected] Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:40:03 -0800 From: knights <[email protected]> To: wrg <[email protected]>,

       "[email protected]"

<[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY, Elijah & Benjamin

I'm trying to find the relationship between Benjamin and Elijah WHITNEY of Westminster, VT

I've found VR & DAR records on Elijah b. 7-8-1755 Harvard, MA d. 8-10-1842 to wid. Rebekah Whitney m. Lydia McElwaine

Parents Lieut. Elijah Whitney b. 2 Aug 1707 d. 19 Feb. 1755 son of Isaiah Whitney (then, Thomas b. 10 Dec 1627, John b. 20 Jul 1592)

Rebekah Winship b. Lexington, MA. m. 30 Oct 1736

Benjamin b.? d. 22 Nov 1822 m. Jerusha Brockway Family lived in Keene & Surry, NH before removing to Westminster. Children Parnell, Anna, Abigail, probably Adolphus, Benjamin, Leland, Alden, possibly Morgan


Can anyone give me a connection between the two.

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:34:02 To: [email protected], [email protected],

       [email protected]

From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: [NORTHEAST] WHITNEY, Elijah & Benjamin

At 10:40 PM 3/21/98 -0800, knights wrote: >I'm trying to find the relationship between Benjamin and Elijah WHITNEY >of Westminster, VT > >I've found VR & DAR records on Elijah >b. 7-8-1755 Harvard, MA d. 8-10-1842 to wid. Rebekah Whitney >m. Lydia McElwaine > >Parents >Lieut. Elijah Whitney b. 2 Aug 1707 d. 19 Feb. 1755 son of Isaiah >Whitney (then, Thomas b. 10 Dec 1627, John b. 20 Jul 1592) > >Rebekah Winship b. Lexington, MA. m. 30 Oct 1736 > >Benjamin b.? d. 22 Nov 1822 m. Jerusha Brockway >Family lived in Keene & Surry, NH before removing to Westminster. >Children Parnell, Anna, Abigail, probably Adolphus, Benjamin, Leland, >Alden, possibly Morgan > > >Can anyone give me a connection between the two.

While I believe that there is a connection, I also believe that it is a rather distant one.

Elijah-5 WHITNEY, Jr., son of Elijah-4 and Rebecca (WINSHIP) WHITNEY, [Isaiah-3, Thomas-2, John-1], b. 8 Jul 1755, Harvard, MA, posthumously, m. 25 Jan 1773, Bolton, MA, Lydia McElwaine. They removed to Guilford, Windham Co., VT.

Rebecca (WINSHIP) WHITNEY is *not* the widow Rebecca WHITNEY who d. in 1780. Rebecca (WINSHIP) WHITNEY m.(2) (int. 25 Jan 1764), Harvard, MA, Dea. Joshua-4 WHITNEY [Richard-3, Richard-2, John-1] of Stow, as the third of his four wives, and d. 3 Dec 1769 in her 51st year, Stow, MA. This means that she was b. ca. 1719, and hence *not* the one bp. 4 Sep 1709, Harvard, dau. of Edward. An undocumented source says she was b. 7 Dec 1717, but I don't know her parentage.

The widow Rebecca WHITNEY who d. 27 Jul 1780, Harvard, I believe to be Rebecca-4 (WHITNEY) WHITNEY, dau. of Moses-3 and Sarah (KNIGHT) WHITNEY [Richard-2, John-1], and widow of John-4 WHITNEY [Isaiah-3, Thomas-2, John-1], b. ca. 1701, probably in Stow, MA.

The parentage of Benjamin WHITNEY who m. Jerusha BROCKWAY is unknown to me. A candidate is Benjamin-5 WHITNEY, b. 5 Nov 1743, Plainfield, CT, son of Zachariah-4 and Ruth (TAYLOR) WHITNEY [Ebenezer-3, Richard-2, John-1].

Any further information casting light on the above families would be most welcome.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

From: "virginia & doug smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Our Whitney line Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:43:05 -0600

These are our Whitney ancestors. Would like to hear from anyone working on the same line.

    1  John Whitney b: 1589 in England d: June 01, 1673 in Watertown,

Massachussetts

    +Elinor b: 1599 m: in England d: May 11, 1659 in Watertown,

Massachussetts

    2  John Whitney b: 1620 in England d: October 12, 1692 in Watertown,

Massachussetts

         +Ruth Reynolds b: in Massachussetts m: 1642 in Watertown,

Massachussetts

    3  Nathaniel Whitney     b: February 01, 1646 in Watertown, Massachussetts  d:

January 07, 1732 in Weston, Massachussetts

           +Sarah Hagar b: March 17, 1653 m: March 12, 1673 d: May 07,

1746 in Weston, Massachussetts

          4  Nathaniel Whitney b: March 05, 1675 in Watertown,

Massachussetts d: September 23, 1730 in Watertown, Massachussetts

              +Mercy Robinson b: September 06, 1676 m: November 07, 1695 d:

December 31,1740

          5 Joshua Whitney b: March 25, 1714 in Watertown, Massachussetts

d: June 25, 1786 in Stockbridge Massachussetts

           +Mahitable Wilson b: in Spencer, Massachussetts m: May 21, 1739

in Spencer, Massachussetts d: May 01, 1785 in Stockbridge Massachussetts

          6  Lemuel Whitney b: January 05, 1742 in Leicester, Worcester

County, Massachussetts d: February 18, 1813 in Springfield, Windsor County, Vermont

            +Thankful Griffith b: 1745 in Plymouth, Plymouth County,

Massachussetts m: 1769 d: 1818 in Springfield, Windsor County, Vermont

              7 Joseph Whitney b: February 21, 1786 in Springfield, Windsor

County, Vermont d: September 09, 1855 in Mooers, Clinton County, New York

            +Orinda Stafford b: March 21, 1789 in Springfield, Windsor

County, Vermont m: February 18, 1810 in Springfield, Windsor County, Vermont d: May 28, 1870 in Mooers, Clinton County, New York

          8 Lemuel Griffith Whitney b: December 10, 1812 in Springfield,

Windsor County, Vermont d: August 14, 1859 in Mooers, Clinton County, New York

         +Catherine Elizabeth Conrow b: January 22, 1815 in

Johnstown,Livingston, New York m: December 10, 1834 in Phillipsburg, St. Armand, Quebec, Canada d: April 01, 1890 in Mooers, Clinton County, New York

              9 Joseph Lewis Whitney b: June 22, 1837 in Hemmingford, Quebec,

Canada d: July 27, 1913 in Colfax Township, Wexford County, Michigan

             +Betsy Dundas b: March 15, 1840 in New York m: December 18,

1872 in Mooers, Clinton County, New York d: March 20, 1918 in Manton, Wexford County, Michigan

            10 Dayton Ellsworth Whitney     b: December 02, 1876 in

Mooresfork, Clinton County, New York d: July 24, 1934 in Tacoma, Pierce County, Washington


From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:38:53 EST To: [email protected] Subject: MA Records from Ancestry

Dear WRG:

Two short items (actually, three, as I found something else before sending this). The new computer is up and running but over the weekend I couldn't manage to get it set up to go through the College's Internet connection, so I am still using the old one (now Ginny's) to do my e-mail. Have loaded PAF and it really zips along with all that memory and 233 Pentium speed.

My question is: On February 27, Ancestry announced that the "free for 10 days" database was 4 new MA town Vital Records - for Dartmouth, Dover, Essex and Gill. Did anyone take advantage of this and copy them or extract the Whitney entries. (I have to admit I haven't gone and looked at Robert's website to see if he has - I'm spending all my free time transferring data files, etc.)

In archiving all my e-mail from one computer to the other, I came across this, and thought it would be appropriate to copy and send to everyone. AEG

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Subj: Re: Connecticut List ~ I'm here are you there? Date: 98-03-15 09:31:45 EST From: ABenson341 To: ALLAGREEN

Hi Allan Green, When I saw the return E-Mail address, I thought it must be you. This is a former very satisfied Whitney List member. It is the best list that I have been a part of. It was successful for me; everyone was so helpful, knowledgeable and professional. Guess I'd better get busy and re-submit my CT names. (A former music teacher in PA). Anne Benson

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Looking forward to getting back to normal very soon.

Happy Hunting:-)

Allan E. Green

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:24:17 -0800 From: knights <[email protected]> To: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> CC: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>,

       wrg <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: [NORTHEAST] WHITNEY, Elijah & Benjamin References: <[email protected]>

Robert, As contained below, you noted that Rebek[cc]ah WINSHIP was one of Dea. Joshua's 4 wives. Can you name the other three? and I hate to ask, but I am "assuming" that Dea. means Deacon. Am I correct? >

 Rebecca (WINSHIP) WHITNEY m.(2) (int. 25 Jan 1764), Harvard, MA,

> Dea. Joshua-4 WHITNEY [Richard-3, Richard-2, John-1] of Stow, as the > third of his four wives, and d. 3 Dec 1769 in her 51st year, Stow, MA. >

Thanks again for your help. By the way your recent additions to your website have been excellent.

Colleen Knights

From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: 25 Mar 1998 10:46:50 CST/CDT Subject: Whitney Marriage Intentions, Milo, ME

Dear WRG:

A Maguire cousin of mine sent me some marriage intentions from Milo and Sebec, ME, and they included a few Whitneys. These are all in Piscataquis Co. Once I get my papers together, I will try to post everything I have so far on these families.

>From VR, Milo, ME 6-1-1874 Fred Whitney and Flora A. Rollins, both of Milo 9-26-1889 William A. Whitney and Augusta M. Webb, both of Milo 12-19-1891 Alden L. Chase, Atkinson; Etta Whitney, Milo 10-19-1832 Nathaniel Snow, Foxcroft; Betsey Whitney, Milo

In VR Sebec, ME:

 11-10-1842  William Whitney and Mary Morell, both Sebec
 4-27-1844  Samuel Whitney, Sebec; Clarasa H. Stearns, Brewer
 11-4-1848  Andrew Whitney, Sebec; Mary Livermore, Milo

(These last two MAY be the sons of Richard Whitney, who was b. in Gorham in 1780 to Moses Whitney and Mary Page. See my previous posts.)

Greg Cote Edwards, IL




From: "John J. Whitney" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Sampson Whitney/Nathan Whitney Linkage Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:38:13 -0500

>From the Whitney database I find Sampson Whitney ID:I01871 listed as son of Nathan Whitney ID:I01632. How can I find the documentary or other source for this linkage? I downloaded the GEDCOM file from Nathan forward, but it does not show source information.


From: "Bob & Tammy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>

Subject: Mary Charlotte HIGLEY m. WHITNEY Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:20:49 -0800


I am researching the HIGLEY line. I found the following through a search in www.gendex.com.

I have a Nancy D. HIGLEY, b. 1831, Green Co NY, m. 1851 Rockport (Cuyahoga Co) OH to Luke WEATHERSON, d. 1891 in Jones Co IA.

It appears that Nancy & Mary are sisters or some relatives??

Any help is appreciated. Tammy Wild [email protected] http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/w/i/l/Tammy-Wild/

<(((><

Mary Charlotte Higley

•ID: I00365 •Sex: F •Born: 12 Aug 1828 in Delaware County, New York •Died: 24 May 1912 in Wellington, Lorrain, Ohio

Family 1: William Elisha Whitney, b. 26 Dec 1827 in Clarendon, Duchess, New York

•Married: 16 Dec 1848 in Rockport, Ohio

1.Eliza Jane Whitney, b. 6 Oct 1849 in Ohio 2.Ella J. Whitney, b. 18 Oct 1851 3.Elmer Whitney, b. 26 Aug 1853 4.Melvin Whitney, b. 10 Aug 1856 5.Clemina Jane Whitney, b. 16 Apr 1859 6.George Roswell Whitney, b. 24 Oct 1861 7.Arvy Issac Whitney, b. 18 May 1864 in Old Manning Plac, Camden, Ohio 8.Juliette Whitney, b. 22 Sep 1865 in Camden, Ohio 9.Bertha May Whitney, b. 1867 10.Maurice Burton Whitney, b. 24 Jul 1869 in Lodi, Ohio

From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: 26 Mar 1998 21:27:54 CST/CDT Subject: Whitneys of Milo, ME

Dear WRG:

Here's what I've managed to gather on my Whitney family, most of whom were from Milo and Sebec, Piscataquis Co., ME.

1. Andrew A. Whitney, b. 4 June 1823, d. 6 April 1875 in Waterville, NB, Canada. Andrew is buried in NB, but has a stone in Milo. [1,2] He was married in 1848 to Mary Livermore, b. 5 Sept. 1831, dau. of David Livermore & Sarah Taylor [3,5]. Andrew was born in Milo or Sebec, ME, and is believed to be the son of Richard P. and Martha Whitney of Sebec. Richard is probably the son of Moses Whitney and Mary Page, of Gorham, ME. (see previous posts). Andrew moved from Sebec/Milo, ME to New Brunswick, Canada, to avoid military service in the Civil War. After he died in Waterville, NB, William T. Livermore, his widow's brother, brought the family back to Milo to live. (William Livermore served in the 20th Maine Inf, Co. B, and left a valuable 5-volume diary of his war experiences. It has been used as a reference in the PBS Civil War series and in the movie Glory. Much information exists on the Livermore family.)

The children of Andrew A. Whitney and Mary Livermore were:

           2. Fred Whitney, b. 6 Aug. 1851, d. 1 March 1876, m. 1874 to

Flora Rollins [1,4]

           2. William A. Whitney, b. abt. 1858, m. Augusta M. Webb,

1889 [2,4]

           2. Adell C. Whitney, b. 1859, d. 1861 (scalded to death by

boiling laundry water) [1,4]

           2. Adell C. Whitney, b. 1861, d. 20 Dec. 1929, m. Charles S.

Maguire, [2,4]

                       3. Fred A. Maguire, b. 23 Nov. 1882, d. 30 July

1885 [1]

                       3. Elsie M. Maguire, b. 26 April 1886, d. 22

Nov. 1941, m. Allen Cunningham [2]

                                   4. Arlene Cunningham, m. Keith Wyman

Merrill [2]

                                   4. Elinor Cunningham, m. Michael

Bartolomeo [2]

           2. Delia Whitney, b. 30 Dec. 1863, d. 8 Dec 1899 [1]
           2. Andrew D. Whitney, b. 21 March 1866, d. 1 Dec. 1936, m.

Laura Powell [2]

                       3. Roy Powell Whitney [2]
           2. Etta Whitney, m. Alden Chase, 1891 [2,3]
                       3. Chauncey Chase
           2. Emma Whitney, b. 10 Nov. 1869, d. 3 June 1904, m. A. B.

Havard (?), [1]

           2. George W. Whitney, b. 17 Oct. 1867, m. Ethel Fowles [2]
                       3. Beatrice Whitney, m. Alton Bodge [2]
                       3. Ralph E. Whitney, m. Mary Weeks [2]
                       3. Gertrude R. Whitney, m. William Hall [2]
           2. Lucy Whitney, b. 7 April 1874, m. Thomas Grimshaw

References: [1] Milo, ME cemetery records [2] Whitney & Maguire family records [3] VR, Milo, ME and Sebec, ME [4] Census records, Sebec, ME, 1850 & 1860 [5] Livermore Family History, Thwing, Boston, MA,1902.

If anyone can confirm or disprove anything in here, I would be glad to hear from you. (I am descended from Arlene Cunningham and Keith Merrill.)

Sincerely, Greg Cote Edwards, IL (A New England expatriate)

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:50:56 +0000 From: LiAnn Lee <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Ira Whitney

I am looking for information about the birth place of Ira Whitney b. 1761 in MA. He married Rebecca Hartwell abt 6 Jul 1798 at Conway, MA. He had a son Joel Whitney and a daughter Tabitha Whitney who married a Homer. Joel Whitney died in Garland, Warren Co., PA. Tabitha Whitney died in Port Jervis, Orange Co., NY. They had other children besides these two, but my records are not available at present.

Ira was married before Rebecca to Jane Bird who died.

We believe that Ira's father was Nathan Whitney. There is a conflict whether it is Nathan Whitney who married Tabitha Bennett or the Nathan Whitney that married Tabitha Lawrence.

Anyone having information about this dilema, please help to straighten this out.

Li Ann Lee

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:05:48 -0800 From: knights <[email protected]> To: wrg <[email protected]>,

       "[email protected]"

<[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY, Benjamin

Northeasters & Whitneys

Has anyone done research on the descendants of Zachariah Whitney b. abt 1701 Concord, MA m. Ruth Taylor 30 Jul 1730 in Pomfret, CT? I am most interested in their son, Benjamin, b. 4 Nov 1743 in Pomfret.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Colleen Knights

From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:33:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Mary Charlotte HIGLEY m. WHITNEY References: <19980326182119558.AAA182@wildventures>

Bob and Tammy, My name is Arvy L. Whitney and Mar Charlotte Higley was my Great Grandmother, and yes, Nancy was her sister, I have been communicating with John Weatherson who is Luke's Great Grandson. They live in Southern California. Unfortunately, I'm moving my computer room and it is in terrible dissarray, or I would find his address for you. Anyway, if there is anything else I can help you with, give me a shout. I will be out of town for a few days and will be back on Wednesday. Arv

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From: "Doneva Shepard" <[email protected]>

To: "WHITNEY-L" <[email protected]> Subject: Fw: Henry Harper Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:32:07 -0800

I am forwarding this to the WHITNEY rooters as I noticed in generation 6 a WHITNEY marriage . . . perhaps someone can connect this Harper family. Doneva


Original Message-----

From: LiAnn Lee <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 10:02 PM Subject: Henry Harper


>I am a direct descendant of Henry Harper of Essex Co., VA. b. abt 1700 >and his wife Rachel. We believe he had a brother Edward who died in >Amelia Co., VA. Henry removed to Halifax Co., NC where he died in 1766. >Among his children was Reuben Harper whom I descend from. > >I descend as follows: > >1. Henry Harper and Rachel > 2. Reuben Harper and Elizabeth > 3. Richard Harper and Nancy Ann Forrest > 4. John C. Harper and Sarah Hurst > 5. Thomas Jefferson Harper and Elizabeth Ann Nordyke > 6. John Calloway Harper and Susan Flaville WHITNEY > 7. Edward Hiram Harper and Anna Lee Kimbrough > 8. Robert Howard Harper and Martha Thelma Hobbs > 9. Li Ann Harper and Robert Alvin Lee > >I am Li Ann Harper Lee. I am looking for any information about the >above lines. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > >Li Ann Lee

From: "virginia & doug smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Definitions Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:46:18 -0600

I have been looking at the information on the descenants of John and Elinor Whitney that is found on the Whitney webpage. I have some questions about the meanings of some words.

John Whitney1 had a 16 acre homestall. What is a homestall? He had 50 acres of dividend land. What is dividend land? William Whitney (wife Martha Pierce) "owned the covenant." What does that mean? I also found the statement for other people.

Thanks to anyone who can help.


From: "John L. Whitney" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: John Whitney of Maine Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 06:50:06 -0500

Hi All:

Some months ago I posted the following: Does anyone have information on John Whitney, b 26 Feb 1800, the son of Abraham and Aphia Coombs Whitney? I did receive a few responses, but still cannot tie into my family. I recently re-discovered some old letters from a grand aunt who gave the following account. She said that three Whitney brothers (possible John, Samuel and Joseph) were in Montreal, got into some kind of dispute with a group of Loyalist and left the area in fear for their lives. They crossed the St. Lawrence and settled in Vermont and Maine. My great uncle also said they "jumped" ship in Montreal and came to Vermont and Maine. This information came from a son of John Whitney b 26 February 1800.

According the the 1850 Florida census for St. Johns County, John Whitney said he was 50 years old and was born in Maine. We found his marriage record to Mahala Clark in June of 1845 in Harpswell, Cumberland, Maine. Their first son, my ggrandfather also John Whitney, was born at sea enroute to Florida in Nov of 1845. After many years of searching we found their family bible, but it only has information on ther children.

Mahala died of throat cancer in 1859 after bearing 8 children. John was hanged in 1862 by a group of people in Volusia County Florida who thought he was spying for the yankees. (we believe his sympathies were with the North)

Anither side note: Mahala Clark was born out of Wedlock to Lucinda Clark also of Harpswell. in 1843 Lucinda married David Orr of Orr's Island and had one son, Harmon

Any information or insights on the above will be appreciated. And thanks Allen, I appreciated the encouragement.

John

[email protected]

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:46:07 +0000 From: LiAnn Lee <[email protected]>

To: [email protected] Subject: Ira Whitney

I need help in finding the following family, especially parents of Ira Whitney:

Ira Whitney b. 1761 of Conway, MA d. 6 Mar 1839 md (1) Jane Bird 23 Nov 1789 (of Williamsburg, MA), (2) Rebecca Hartwell b 19 Feb 1770 Conway, MA d. 13 Nov 1815 NY. They had the following children:

Children of Ira and Rebecca:

Joel Whitney (mine) b. 9 Apr 1799 MA d 31 Aug 1867 Warren Co., PA. md Sarah Mead daughter of Joseph Mead and Hannah Boone Nathan Whitney b. 24 Jul 1803 MA md 25 Dec 1829 to Susan Davis Tabitha Whitney b. 17 Apr 1807 MA d. 3 Mar 1886 Port Jervis, NY md Leonard Homer Ira Whitney b. 6 May 1812 Onondaga Co., NY d. an infant Lucy Whitney b. 9 Jan 1814 Onondaga Co., NY d 26 Jun 1850 Warren Co., PA md John Wales 10 Sep 1836


Joel Whitney and Sarah Mead Whitney's children:

McKendre Hiram Whitney b. 8 Aug 1832 Warren Co., PA d 14 May 1863 md 25 Oct 1855 Caroline D. Mandeville Caroline Whitney b 25 Jan 1834 Warren, PA d. 15 June 1853.

Children of Nathan Whitney and Susan Davis:

Harriet E. Whitney b. 6 Mar 1832 Youngsville,Warren, PA d. 19 May 1858 md James Culbertson Everett E. Whitney b. 2 Sep 1834 " " " d. 25 Aug 1841 Walter V. B. Whitney b. 28 Sep 1836 " " " d. young Ira A. Whitney b. 18 Aug 1842 " " " md Sabrina Mead

 21 Dec 1870

Lucy A. Whitney b. 22 Jun 1845 " " " md John K. Chapman 2 Apr 1872 Melville Whitney b. 6 May 1847 " " " md Florence Kinnear

Children of Tabitha Whitney (called Abby) and Leonard Homer:

Romeyn Homer b. 24 Nov 1833 Youngsville, Warren, PA md 16 Jun 1864 Matilda J. Sparks Whitney Homer b. 15 Apr 1837 Busti, NY md 4 Sep 1862 Chloe E. Bailey Wallace Homber b. 24 Sep 1837 " " d. 30 Apr 1859 md 29 Apr 1858 Rosalie Tiffany Lorilla R. Homer b. 13 Apr 1839 " " md 26 Jul 1861 George C. Buck Imogene L. Homer (twin) b. 13 Mar 1841 Busti, NY d. infant Eugene L. Homer (twin) b. 13 Mar 1841 " " md 1) Martha P. Alleard

 2) 23 Dec 1870 Jenny Brookmeyer

Elliot Homer b. 16 Aug 1845 Busti, NY d. 23 Jul 1863 Eugenia Homer (twin) b. 1 Jan 1848 Busti, NY d. infant Susan A. Homer (twin) b. 1 Jan 1848 " " md 31 Oct 1880 Lewis Summers

Children of Lucy Whitney and John Wales probably all in Warren Co., PA:

Maro V. Wales b. 23 Aug 1838 d 4 Jul 1860 Delotia K. Wales b. 25 May 1841 md 25 Dec 1874 Chambers Mead Mary E. Wales b. 20 May 1845 md John Enos George H. Wales b. 1847

If anyone has information on this Whitney family, please let me know. I think that Ira's father was either Nathan Whitney who married Tabitha Bennett or the Nathan Whitney that married Tabitha Lawrence. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Li Ann Lee

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:54:57 To: Tim Doyle <[email protected]>, [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Children of Moses-3 and Sarah (KNIGHT) WHITNEY

Tim and all,

At 11:38 AM 3/28/98 -0600, Tim Doyle wrote: >At 08:52 PM 3/7/98 EST, Allan E. Green wrote: > >>[BTW, in the marriage of Moses-4 and Sarah Knight, it gives his name as >>Whiting. Some of the children do not appear in the Stow VR. Could someone >>with access to the Stow VR book check to see if there are children listed for >>a Moses and Sarah under the surname Whiting? - or, perhaps Robert could >>identify the place where their births are listed.] > >I decided that since this was my branch, I'd have a look the next time I made >it down to the Dallas Public Library. In preparation, I decided to put >together >and compare the information in the Whitney GEDCOM and what was in the vital >records on the WRG webpage. > >I find the following children for Moses and Sarah (KNIGHT) WHITNEY: > >1. Sarah, b. 2 Jul 1687 in Stow (recorded under WHETNEY)

Confirmed.

>2. Moses, b. ca. 1690 (no source listed)

This is computed from his age at death. He d. 7 May 1778, Littleton, MA (VR), aged 88 years 10 months 22 days, hence born 15 Jun 1689, New Style, or 5 Jun 1689, Old Style. (Remember the calendar change in September 1752!)

>3. Abraham, b. 29 May 1692 in Stow (recorded with no parents listed)

This is also computed from his age at death. He d. 15 Sep 1778, Stow, MA (VR), aged 86 years 3 months 17 days, hence b. 29 May 1692, New Style, or 19 May 1692, Old Style.

>4. Jonas, b. 1 Feb 1699 in Stow-Harvard (This comes from the GEDCOM, but I am > unable to find a record of this on the webpages. Does anyone know the >source?)

This is also computed from his age at death. He d. 18 Sep 1770, Harvard, MA (VR), aged 71 years 7 months 7 days, so b. 11 Feb 1699, New Style, or 1 Feb 1698/9, Old Style.

>5. Rebekah, b. ca. 1701 (this is not listed on the GEDCOM, and is not in the > vital records, but I believe this comes from a preponderence of the >evidence > claim reported earlier on this mailing list. - and yes, I know that P. >of E. is > now a nonsupported term.)

Her presence in this list is, indeed, by the preponderance of the evidence. Her birth date is a guess, based on her marriage on 20 May 1724, and the known dates of other children in the family.

>6. Jason, b. 1704 (no source listed)

This is also computed from his age at death. He d. 19 Feb 1785, Stow, MA (VR), in his 81st year, so born in 1704-1705.

>7. Ephraim, b. 4 May 1713 in Stow (recorded under WHETNEY)

Sorry, but this is not in the Stow VR. Instead, we find Ephraim WHETNEY, son of Moses and Sarah, *died* 4 May *1723*. I have no idea when he was born, but possibly about 1694-1697, to fill in the 1692-1699 gap in the births of the other children.

>8. Lemuel, b. 1 Aug 1714 (no source listed)

I don't know the source of this date, either. He d. 23 Jan 1755, Stow, MA (VR), aged 48 years 5 months 11 days, hence b. 12 Aug 1706, New Style, or 1 Aug 1706, Old Style. An error in reading the number of years on his tombstone could have resulted in the later date (40 instead 48 years old would do it).

Damaris, b. at a guess about 1708, m. (int. 12 Mar 1726), Stow, Cyprian STEVENS, probably also belongs to this family.

Since Moses and Sarah (KNIGHT) WHITNEY were living in Stow during the period of the births of their children, presumably they were all born in Stow, but not recorded, except for the first one, Sarah.

This would make my reconstruction of the list of children look like this: 1. Sarah, b. 2 Jul 1687, Stow (VR). 2. Moses, b. 5 Jun 1689, [Stow] (Littleton VR). 3. Abraham, b. 19 May 1692, [Stow] (Stow VR). 4. Ephraim, b. say 1694-7, [Stow]. 5. Jonas, b. 1 Feb 1698/9, [Stow] (Harvard VR). 6. (prob.) Rebeckah, b. ca. 1701, [Stow]. 7. Jason, b. ca. 1704-5, [Stow] (Stow VR). 8. Lemuel, b. 1 Aug 1706, [Stow] (Stow VR). 9. (prob.) Damaris, b. say 1708, [Stow].

>The GEDCOM appears to be lacking some of the locations as found on the >vital records >as well as the purported daughter Rebekah. > >Any information on the source of some of these dates and places would be >appreciated. >As soon as I get to the library, I'll see what additional information I can >dig up.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:54:57 To: Tim Doyle <[email protected]>, [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Children of Moses-3 and Sarah (KNIGHT) WHITNEY

Tim and all,

At 11:38 AM 3/28/98 -0600, Tim Doyle wrote: >At 08:52 PM 3/7/98 EST, Allan E. Green wrote: > >>[BTW, in the marriage of Moses-4 and Sarah Knight, it gives his name as >>Whiting. Some of the children do not appear in the Stow VR. Could someone >>with access to the Stow VR book check to see if there are children listed for >>a Moses and Sarah under the surname Whiting? - or, perhaps Robert could >>identify the place where their births are listed.] > >I decided that since this was my branch, I'd have a look the next time I made >it down to the Dallas Public Library. In preparation, I decided to put >together >and compare the information in the Whitney GEDCOM and what was in the vital >records on the WRG webpage. > >I find the following children for Moses and Sarah (KNIGHT) WHITNEY: > >1. Sarah, b. 2 Jul 1687 in Stow (recorded under WHETNEY)

Confirmed.

>2. Moses, b. ca. 1690 (no source listed)

This is computed from his age at death. He d. 7 May 1778, Littleton, MA (VR), aged 88 years 10 months 22 days, hence born 15 Jun 1689, New Style, or 5 Jun 1689, Old Style. (Remember the calendar change in September 1752!)

>3. Abraham, b. 29 May 1692 in Stow (recorded with no parents listed)

This is also computed from his age at death. He d. 15 Sep 1778, Stow, MA (VR), aged 86 years 3 months 17 days, hence b. 29 May 1692, New Style, or 19 May 1692, Old Style.

>4. Jonas, b. 1 Feb 1699 in Stow-Harvard (This comes from the GEDCOM, but I am > unable to find a record of this on the webpages. Does anyone know the >source?)

This is also computed from his age at death. He d. 18 Sep 1770, Harvard, MA (VR), aged 71 years 7 months 7 days, so b. 11 Feb 1699, New Style, or 1 Feb 1698/9, Old Style.

>5. Rebekah, b. ca. 1701 (this is not listed on the GEDCOM, and is not in the > vital records, but I believe this comes from a preponderence of the >evidence > claim reported earlier on this mailing list. - and yes, I know that P. >of E. is > now a nonsupported term.)

Her presence in this list is, indeed, by the preponderance of the evidence. Her birth date is a guess, based on her marriage on 20 May 1724, and the known dates of other children in the family.

>6. Jason, b. 1704 (no source listed)

This is also computed from his age at death. He d. 19 Feb 1785, Stow, MA (VR), in his 81st year, so born in 1704-1705.

>7. Ephraim, b. 4 May 1713 in Stow (recorded under WHETNEY)

Sorry, but this is not in the Stow VR. Instead, we find Ephraim WHETNEY, son of Moses and Sarah, *died* 4 May *1723*. I have no idea when he was born, but possibly about 1694-1697, to fill in the 1692-1699 gap in the births of the other children.

>8. Lemuel, b. 1 Aug 1714 (no source listed)

I don't know the source of this date, either. He d. 23 Jan 1755, Stow, MA (VR), aged 48 years 5 months 11 days, hence b. 12 Aug 1706, New Style, or 1 Aug 1706, Old Style. An error in reading the number of years on his tombstone could have resulted in the later date (40 instead 48 years old would do it).

Damaris, b. at a guess about 1708, m. (int. 12 Mar 1726), Stow, Cyprian STEVENS, probably also belongs to this family.

Since Moses and Sarah (KNIGHT) WHITNEY were living in Stow during the period of the births of their children, presumably they were all born in Stow, but not recorded, except for the first one, Sarah.

This would make my reconstruction of the list of children look like this: 1. Sarah, b. 2 Jul 1687, Stow (VR). 2. Moses, b. 5 Jun 1689, [Stow] (Littleton VR). 3. Abraham, b. 19 May 1692, [Stow] (Stow VR). 4. Ephraim, b. say 1694-7, [Stow]. 5. Jonas, b. 1 Feb 1698/9, [Stow] (Harvard VR). 6. (prob.) Rebeckah, b. ca. 1701, [Stow]. 7. Jason, b. ca. 1704-5, [Stow] (Stow VR). 8. Lemuel, b. 1 Aug 1706, [Stow] (Stow VR). 9. (prob.) Damaris, b. say 1708, [Stow].

>The GEDCOM appears to be lacking some of the locations as found on the >vital records >as well as the purported daughter Rebekah. > >Any information on the source of some of these dates and places would be >appreciated. >As soon as I get to the library, I'll see what additional information I can >dig up.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:17:07 To: Tim Doyle <[email protected]>, [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: General questions

At 01:39 PM 3/28/98 -0600, Tim Doyle wrote: >I have a few questions for the individuals who are keeping the >GEDCOM databases or for anyone else who cares to comment. > >1. Do the program(s) being used to keep the data support multiple > events of the same type? > >2. Do they support multiple sources for each event? > >3. Are we recording where each piece of data came from (source > records as well as submitter)?

Since I use TMG for my data, and I am a fanatic for documentation, I do adhere to #1,2,3 above. Probably Jon Aston, the keeper of the John WHITNEY database, does not use TMG.

>4. Has the group undertaken the task of digitizing the data found > in the various genealogies (Pierce, etc.)?

Two members have mentioned embarking on projects digitizing some of the references. I do not know the status of these projects. I have been digitizing much of the Masschusetts VR data, Bond's _Watertown_, and the articles from the NEHGR.

>5. Are there any long-term goals of publishing the data this > group has collected?

Not as far as I know, but this is a possible goal. Publishing much on the Henry WHITNEY family, given the size and good documentation in Phoenix's three-volume compilation. This is where journal articles would be best, I think. Publishing a successor to Pierce's _Whitney Genealogy_ makes a lot more sense, since there are so many errors in it. I do *not* feel that we have done anywhere near enough research.

>6. Has anyone considered writing an article for one of the > genealogical journals when we tackle a difficult problem? > (The Rebekah/John & Moses relationship comes to mind).

I have considered this. I have recently submitted to TAG an article discussing my line back from Sarah-5 WHITNEY (m. 1772 Jonathan FLAGG) [Gershom-4, Joshua-3, Benjamin-2, John-1]. This was the successful solution of a difficult problem, although the research was done several years ago. You are aware, of course, that to write a definitive article on one of these problems involves doing more in-depth research than we have so far. Certainly this would involve consulting deeds and other primary source records, and all the secondary sources which can be found which mention the subjects of the article. In the case of Moses and Sarah (KNIGHT) WHITNEY, for example, as far as I know, none of us has examined sources on the KNIGHT family, or histories of Stow, Harvard, Littleton, Concord, or other nearby towns for mention of Moses and his family members.

>7. This group is known to the online community. Have we > considered placing a small advertisement in a journal > letting the non-online community know we are here?

Not AFAIK. Interesting idea, but to what purpose?

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:17:07 To: Tim Doyle <[email protected]>, [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif">

Subject: Re: General questions

At 01:39 PM 3/28/98 -0600, Tim Doyle wrote: >I have a few questions for the individuals who are keeping the >GEDCOM databases or for anyone else who cares to comment. > >1. Do the program(s) being used to keep the data support multiple > events of the same type? > >2. Do they support multiple sources for each event? > >3. Are we recording where each piece of data came from (source > records as well as submitter)?

Since I use TMG for my data, and I am a fanatic for documentation, I do adhere to #1,2,3 above. Probably Jon Aston, the keeper of the John WHITNEY database, does not use TMG.

>4. Has the group undertaken the task of digitizing the data found > in the various genealogies (Pierce, etc.)?

Two members have mentioned embarking on projects digitizing some of the references. I do not know the status of these projects. I have been digitizing much of the Masschusetts VR data, Bond's _Watertown_, and the articles from the NEHGR.

>5. Are there any long-term goals of publishing the data this > group has collected?

Not as far as I know, but this is a possible goal. Publishing much on the Henry WHITNEY family, given the size and good documentation in Phoenix's three-volume compilation. This is where journal articles would be best, I think. Publishing a successor to Pierce's _Whitney Genealogy_ makes a lot more sense, since there are so many errors in it. I do *not* feel that we have done anywhere near enough research.

>6. Has anyone considered writing an article for one of the > genealogical journals when we tackle a difficult problem? > (The Rebekah/John & Moses relationship comes to mind).

I have considered this. I have recently submitted to TAG an article discussing my line back from Sarah-5 WHITNEY (m. 1772 Jonathan FLAGG) [Gershom-4, Joshua-3, Benjamin-2, John-1]. This was the successful solution of a difficult problem, although the research was done several years ago. You are aware, of course, that to write a definitive article on one of these problems involves doing more in-depth research than we have so far. Certainly this would involve consulting deeds and other primary source records, and all the secondary sources which can be found which mention the subjects of the article. In the case of Moses and Sarah (KNIGHT) WHITNEY, for example, as far as I know, none of us has examined sources on the KNIGHT family, or histories of Stow, Harvard, Littleton, Concord, or other nearby towns for mention of Moses and his family members.

>7. This group is known to the online community. Have we > considered placing a small advertisement in a journal > letting the non-online community know we are here?

Not AFAIK. Interesting idea, but to what purpose?

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:31:15 +0000 From: LiAnn Lee <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Conway, MA Whitney's

Isn't there anyone out there related to the Whitney family of Conway, MA? You would think that as large as this Whitney family is that someone would be related.

Has anyone got information on either Nathan Whitney that married Tabitha Lawrence or Nathan Whitney that married Tabitha Bennett?

Please, please help. I have been searching for this line for over 40 years and I still can't break through.

Li Ann Lee

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:38:18 -0600 To: [email protected] From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Rebecca & John Whitney

At 08:52 PM 3/7/98 EST, Allan E. Green wrote:

>[BTW, in the marriage of Moses-4 and Sarah Knight, it gives his name as >Whiting. Some of the children do not appear in the Stow VR. Could someone >with access to the Stow VR book check to see if there are children listed for >a Moses and Sarah under the surname Whiting? - or, perhaps Robert could >identify the place where their births are listed.]

I decided that since this was my branch, I'd have a look the next time I made it down to the Dallas Public Library. In preparation, I decided to put together and compare the information in the Whitney GEDCOM and what was in the vital records on the WRG webpage.

I find the following children for Moses and Sarah (KNIGHT) WHITNEY:

1. Sarah, b. 2 Jul 1687 in Stow (recorded under WHETNEY) 2. Moses, b. ca. 1690 (no source listed) 3. Abraham, b. 29 May 1692 in Stow (recorded with no parents listed) 4. Jonas, b. 1 Feb 1699 in Stow-Harvard (This comes from the GEDCOM, but I am

  unable to find a record of this on the webpages. Does anyone know the

source?) 5. Rebekah, b. ca. 1701 (this is not listed on the GEDCOM, and is not in the

  vital records, but I believe this comes from a preponderence of the

evidence

  claim reported earlier on this mailing list. - and yes, I know that P.

of E. is

  now a nonsupported term.)

6. Jason, b. 1704 (no source listed) 7. Ephraim, b. 4 May 1713 in Stow (recorded under WHETNEY) 8. Lemuel, b. 1 Aug 1714 (no source listed)

The GEDCOM appears to be lacking some of the locations as found on the vital records as well as the purported daughter Rebekah.

Any information on the source of some of these dates and places would be appreciated. As soon as I get to the library, I'll see what additional information I can dig up.



Tim Doyle http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ [email protected] ftp://ftp.doit.com/pub/tdoyle/

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:46:56 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: NEHGR Whitneys

At 04:53 PM 3/28/98 -0500, you wrote: >I also belong to the New England Historical and Genealogical Society and >found some Whitneys in their Volume 152 January 1998. > >p83-84 >John-3 ROBBINS (Samuel-2, George-1) was baptized at Killingly, Connecticut, >16 May 1716, and died in 1758. He married at North Killingly, 25 April >1739, ABIGAIL WHITNEY. (Footnote 8 references Putnam (Conn.)CRs [note1], >1:22 > >I don't know where this Abigail Whitney belongs.

She was Abigail-4 WHITNEY, dau. of Cornelius-3 and Sarah (SHEPHERD) WHITNEY [Joshua-2, John-1], b. 9 Dec 1717, Groton, MA (VR). Her marriage is given in F. W. Bailey, _Early Connecticut Marriages_, where the groom is erroneously called John *ROBERTS*.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:48:08 -0600 To: [email protected] From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: The Descendants of John Whitney

I received a copy of the New England Historic Genealogical Society's Spring 1998 Sales Catalog in the mail today. They have listed the following:

 WHITNEY - The Descendants of John Whitney
 By F.C. Pierce
 From London to Watertown, Mass. in 1635.
 1895, 692pp. Photocopy.
 $107.00 Item #P3-60000

NEHGS can be reached at:

 The Sales Department
 New England Historic Genealogical Society
 160 N. Washington Street
 Boston, MA 02114-2120
 Email: [email protected]
 Toll-free: 1-888-296-3447

I purchased one of these last year. They actually photocopy the entire book on acid-free paper and have it nicely bound. I have been very pleased with the purchase.




Tim Doyle http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ [email protected] ftp://ftp.doit.com/pub/tdoyle/

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:10:24 -0600 To: [email protected] From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Rebecca & John Whitney

I pulled out my Pierce and found the source of some of the unidentified dates. Thank you for your prompt response Robert [L. Ward].


>2. Moses, b. ca. 1690 (no source listed)

Pierce, p. 30.

>4. Jonas, b. 1 Feb 1699 in Stow-Harvard (This comes from the GEDCOM, but I am > unable to find a record of this on the webpages. Does anyone know the source?)

Pierce, p. 30 (date only).

>6. Jason, b. 1704 (no source listed)

Pierce, p. 30.

>8. Lemuel, b. 1 Aug 1714 (no source listed)

Pierce, p. 30


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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:19:12 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif">

Subject: Re: Joshua Whitney

At 04:53 PM 3/28/98 -0500, Jeanne Muse wrote: >Hello everyone! I am a member of the Berkshire Family History Association, >Pittsfield, Mass. In their most recent mailing, Vol 19-Number-1 Winter >1998, the following was found. > >Family Records >The Goodrich Family, From the Clapp Family Papers in the Local History >Department of the Berkshire Athenaeum, Pittsfield, Massachusetts > >Joshua Whitney born Jany 16th 1745. Anna Ashley born Feby 20th 1748. >Married Jany 9th 1770. >Wealthy Whitney born Jany 6th 1788. >Levi Goodrich and Wealthy Whitney married Feby 27th 1806. > >A list of their children is then given. > >Under the DEATHS: >Mrs. Levi Goodrich died July 24th 1858 >Levi Goodrich died August 8th 1868 > >I don't know where (or if) this fits into our line, but maybe this info >will help someone.

This is Joshua-5 WHITNEY [Joshua-4, David-3, Joshua-2, John-1], born probably in Plainfield, CT.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:39:14 -0600 To: [email protected] From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: General questions

I have a few questions for the individuals who are keeping the GEDCOM databases or for anyone else who cares to comment.

1. Do the program(s) being used to keep the data support multiple

  events of the same type?

2. Do they support multiple sources for each event?

3. Are we recording where each piece of data came from (source

  records as well as submitter)?

4. Has the group undertaken the task of digitizing the data found

  in the various genealogies (Pierce, etc.)?

5. Are there any long-term goals of publishing the data this

  group has collected?

6. Has anyone considered writing an article for one of the

  genealogical journals when we tackle a difficult problem?
  (The Rebekah/John & Moses relationship comes to mind).

7. This group is known to the online community. Have we

  considered placing a small advertisement in a journal
  letting the non-online community know we are here?



Tim Doyle http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ [email protected] ftp://ftp.doit.com/pub/tdoyle/

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:35:08 -0500 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: General questions Sender: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> To: [email protected]

Replying to Tim Doyle's questions:

Tim - Over the very few years we have been in existence, WRG has evolved greatly. It started as a simple e-mail group and, as such, we each kept our own databases in tact for our own use and reference, sharing with each other as requested.

When entering dates into my personal databases (including the Henry of CT line), I have gotten into the habit of recording my sources in the "notes" sections of my PAF program. This included e-mail addresses of those who may have supplied the info, as well as references to actual written genealogies and original documents.

It would be a large undertaking to do many of the things you mentioned, although some of them might be worthwhile.

-) Jeanne

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:21:43 +0000 From: LiAnn Lee <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Nathan Whitney Family

Thanks to Robert Ward I have my connection to Nathan Whitney and Tabitha Bennett.

Now I need the rest of their children. According to my information (from the John Whitney book by Pierce) it states that Nathan Whitney, son of Nathan Whitney married Tabitha Barnett. Is her name Barnett or Bennett? It says that their children were:

Aaron b. July 31, 1752 Persis B. Aug 22, 1754 d Oct 2, 1754 Meriam b. Aug 25, 1755 Asaph b. Apr 29, 1759

I know that in Conway there was also a Nathan believed to be the son of Nathan and Tabitha, an Abijah, and a David who is supposed to all be the sons of Nathan and Tabitha.

All I can say is HELP! HELP! HELP! Anyone with information please email me.

Li Ann Lee

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:38:20 To: [email protected], [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Ira Whitney

At 12:46 PM 3/28/98 +0000, LiAnn Lee wrote: >I need help in finding the following family, especially parents of Ira >Whitney: > >Ira Whitney b. 1761 of Conway, MA d. 6 Mar 1839 md (1) Jane Bird 23 Nov >1789 (of Williamsburg, MA), (2) Rebecca Hartwell b 19 Feb 1770 Conway, >MA d. 13 Nov 1815 NY. [SNIP] >If anyone has information on this Whitney family, please let me know. I >think that Ira's father was either Nathan Whitney who married Tabitha >Bennett or the Nathan Whitney that married Tabitha Lawrence. Any help >will be greatly appreciated. > >Li Ann Lee

This was posted to the WHITNEY-L mailing list on 28 Feb 1997 by Douglas A. Adams <[email protected]>:

"People who came to a town and stayed for more than 3 months were 'warned'. The idea was that the town did not want people who had no means of support and who might be as one entry says "likely to become a town charge." Not all the people in the warnings were indigent. Many were self supporting and became prominent citizens in their new town.

"Here are some Whitney names from the following.

"WORCESTER COUNTY, MASSACHUSETTS WARNINGS 1737-1788

"p. 8 Bolton "1765 Aug. 20, Whitney, Nathan, w. Tabitha, ch. Asa and Ira, from Stow, April 1."

This should satisfy your desire for proof that Nathan and Tabitha WHITNEY had a son Ira, b. before 1765, and that they came from Stow to Bolton (and then to Conway). That also ties them to the marriage record of Nathan WHITNEY and Tabitha BENNETT, 22 Jan 1752, Stow (VR).

Possibly the "Asa" of the above record was the same person as "Asaph" who was b. 29 Apr 1759, Stow, to Nathan and Tabitha (VR).

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif">

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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:53:46 -0500 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: NEHGR Whitneys Sender: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

I also belong to the New England Historical and Genealogical Society and found some Whitneys in their Volume 152 January 1998.

p83-84 John-3 ROBBINS (Samuel-2, George-1) was baptized at Killingly, Connecticut, 16 May 1716, and died in 1758. He married at North Killingly, 25 April 1739, ABIGAIL WHITNEY. (Footnote 8 references Putnam (Conn.)CRs [note1], 1:22

I don't know where this Abigail Whitney belongs.

-) Jeanne

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:53:47 -0500 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Joshua Whitney Sender: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Hello everyone! I am a member of the Berkshire Family History Association, Pittsfield, Mass. In their most recent mailing, Vol 19-Number-1 Winter 1998, the following was found.

Family Records The Goodrich Family, From the Clapp Family Papers in the Local History Department of the Berkshire Athenaeum, Pittsfield, Massachusetts

Joshua Whitney born Jany 16th 1745. Anna Ashley born Feby 20th 1748. Married Jany 9th 1770. Wealthy Whitney born Jany 6th 1788. Levi Goodrich and Wealthy Whitney married Feby 27th 1806.

A list of their children is then given.

Under the DEATHS: Mrs. Levi Goodrich died July 24th 1858 Levi Goodrich died August 8th 1868

I don't know where (or if) this fits into our line, but maybe this info will help someone.

-) Jeanne

From: Catlover70 <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:35:17 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Whitney Info

I was recently down in Barnsville, Ohio doing research on the Whitney line and I ran across this book on pominent families in Monroe County. If anyone if interested this is what was in the book: Another Monroe County family with a lengthy llineage is the Whitney family. John Whitney, born Feb 10, 1804, family no 100 in the Perry Twonship,Monroe Census in 1850, can be traced back to William, Duke of Normandy, Commonly called " William the Conqueror", King of England 1066-1087, and his wife Matilda, daughter of Baldwin, Earl of Flanders and Grandaughter of Robert, King of France. The Monroe co. John Whitney died Feb 4, 1854 and is buried at Brownsville, Monroe co. He was a Baptist preacher. dr. Joseph M . Cain of 4200 NE 24th Ave, Pompano Bach Fla, 33064 has sent me a detailed lineage of this family. He stated that the records in the lineage from 1653 to 1915 were compiled by his uncle, Wm. Henry His, D.D.S. of Clarksburg, W. Va., who attested to their accuracy and it seems that the genealogy prior to the Whitney's emigration to America was compiled by a genealogist in London. According to Dr. Cain's information, John Whitney was married three times, and he had no children by his first and second wives. His other wife was Sarah Hensel, born Oct 11, 1806,died December 29, 1847, to whom he married February 24, 1922. Srah Hensal Whitney is bured at Brownsville, Monroe County. However, according to the back files of this paper, under date of April 9, 1856, at the time of John Whitney's death, his wife was named Elizabeth as she was names as his widow in a suit brought for partition on real estate By Simon Whitney. According to that suit, the heirs of John Whitney were: Andrew Snyder and Rebecca, his wife; John S. Whitney, Henry Teman and Unice, his wife; Wm. Raper and Margaret; his wife, Enoch Whitney, Joheph Hill and Hannah his wife. dr Cain is descended through Hannah Whitney Hill. John Whitney was a Baptist preacher and he was the son on Nathan Whitney and his wife Eunice Cottle. Nathan was born Sept. 10, 1769 and died June 14, 1852. His wife, Eunice was born Oct. 10, 1778 and died June 14, 1871. Nathan Whitney was the son of David Whitney born August 8, 1732 and his wife Rebecca Edgecomb, to whom he married as his third wife. According to the " DAR Patriot Index" David died after 1790 and he was a private serving in both the Maine and Massachusetts lines. Therefore if this is your family, you have a Revolutionary ancestor in David Whitney. David Whitney was the son of Nathan Whitney, born in Biddleford, Maine in 1704, and the grandson of yet another Nathan Whitney born April 14, 1680 in York, Maine, and the great-grandson of Benjamin Whitney ( youngest son of a John Whitney) with that Benjamin's birthday being June 6, 1643. Dr. Cains charts show that the above John Whitney was the imigrance ancestor to America in 1653, and that he was the great-grandson of Sir Robert Whitney, Knight and Dame Sybil, his wife, as attested by C.E. Gildersome, Grat Turnstile, London, October 1895. At one place in the London Genealogy chart, it notes that prior to the date 1242, there is this notation " three four generations cannot be stated with certainty.

      • Don't know if this is any interst to anyone or something you didn't

already know, but I thought it to be quite interesting since I am floundering around trying to trace by roots. It doesn't seem like too many of you Whitneys had ties to Ohio unless ( forgive me) I am mistaken. Anyway, just thought I would pass this along.

    : )    Cat


Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 03:03:32 -0500 From: Vickie Elam White <[email protected]> Subject: Re: General questions Sender: Vickie Elam White <[email protected]> To: "INTERNET:[email protected]" <[email protected]>

Tim Doyle wrote --

>5. Are there any long-term goals of publishing the data this > group has collected?


I don't know about others in the group, but I had been working on the Alice (WHITNEY?) WOODS problem long before joining the group. One of my big life-projects (I have *way* too many of them!) is to revise the Woods of Groton booklet and bring it down to current time. That would, of course, include the Alice problem.

Others in the group may chose to publish other aspects of their WHITNEY research, but I haven't heard of *the group* actually publishing something as an entity unto itself.


Vickie Elam White [email protected]

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 08:14:42 To: [email protected], [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Nathan Whitney Family

At 09:21 PM 3/28/98 +0000, you wrote: >Thanks to Robert Ward I have my connection to Nathan Whitney and Tabitha >Bennett. > >Now I need the rest of their children. According to my information >(from the John Whitney book by Pierce) it states that Nathan Whitney, >son of Nathan Whitney married Tabitha Barnett. Is her name Barnett or >Bennett? It says that their children were: > >Aaron b. July 31, 1752 >Persis B. Aug 22, 1754 d Oct 2, 1754 >Meriam b. Aug 25, 1755 >Asaph b. Apr 29, 1759 > >I know that in Conway there was also a Nathan believed to be the son of >Nathan and Tabitha, an Abijah, and a David who is supposed to all be the >sons of Nathan and Tabitha. > >All I can say is HELP! HELP! HELP! Anyone with information please >email me. > >Li Ann Lee

For all the *published* vital records for the surname WHITNEY, see the URL:

 <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/mass/index.html>

In Stow I find: Births: WHITNEY, Aaron, s. Nathan and Tabitha, July 31, 1752. "old Stile"

  Asaph, s. Nathan and Tabitha, Apr. 29, 1759.
  Miriam, d. Nathan and Tabitha, Aug 25, 1755.
  Persis, d. Nathan and Tabitha, Aug. 22, 1754.

Marriages: WHITNEY, Nathan and Tabitha Benett [int. Bennett] of Holden [int. Houlden],

     Jan. 22, 1752, in Holden.

Deaths: WHITNEY, Persis, d. Nathan and Tabitha, Oct. 2, 1754.

In Holden is: Marriages: WHITNEY, Nathan of Stow and Tabitha Benett, Jan. 22, 1752.*

     * Intention not recorded.

In Conway, there is: Deaths: WHITNEY, Nathan, cancer, Oct. 28, 1801, a. 77.

In Harvard, there is: Births: WHITNEY, Abijah, s. Nathan, bap. May 8, 1768.

This should settle the maiden name of Tabitha, at least.

The Nathan WHITNEY of Conway who m. (int. 18 Oct 1780), Conway, Olive WHITNEY, was probably the Nathan-6 WHITNEY, b. 18 Oct 1761, Conway, son of Jonathan-5 and Esther (PARKHURST) WHITNEY [Jonathan-4, Jonathan-3, Benjamin-2, John-1].

The David WHITNEY of Conway with wife Rachel is no doubt David-5 WHITNEY, bap. 21 Sep 1746, Milford, MA, son of Jonathan-4 and Lydia (JONES) WHITNEY [Jonathan-3, Benjamin-2, John-1], who m. 7 Dec 1767, Deerfield, MA, Rachel RAWSON.

It seems to me you need to find the probate records of Nathan WHITNEY of Conway, Franklin Co., MA, who died in 1801. That would list his heirs.

Regards,

Robert

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From: [email protected] (p.s. w) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:09:05 -0500 To: [email protected] Subject: Whitney's in Darien, Cn.

Please can you help me find or how to start finding about my fathers family in Darien, Cn. My fathers name was Robert Seaman Whitney, his fathers name was Harold Whitney. My father was the only male child of Harold there were three daughters who still live in the Darien area. My father moved us to Florida around 1957. Can you Help.

Regards, Mark Whitney

PS: Above e-mail address is my wifes, my address is [email protected]

From: "william everheart" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Elijah Whitney-Christian Co., KY Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:09:05 -0600

My third great grandfather Francis Bird Bounds married Mary Whitney in Christian Co. KY on August 7, 1816. Mary was born August 9, 1798 in VA. Her probable father was Elijah Whitney.

Does anyone have any information on this Whitney line.

William E. Everheart 7465 Whispering Pines Dallas, Texas 75248 972-233-9536 [email protected] Researching: Everhart\Everheart, Beal, Montgomery, Judd, Trimble, Steele, Fisher, Tarpley, Bounds, Talley, Tiller, Stewart, Walker, Jones, Easley, Beard, Whitney, Bird, Dorman, Dishman, DePriest, Pettypool, Davis, Morris, McCown, Woodley

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:26:48 -0600 To: [email protected] From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY: Records from the French & Indian Wars

I have placed Whitney data from three published sources on the French and Indian War on my Whitney web page located at:

 http://www.outburst.com/whitney/




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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:19:10 -0600 To: [email protected] From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY: A local scandal

The following is located in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 51, January 1897, p. 68-69.


                            A LOCAL SCANDAL.
            By Hon. Samuel A. Green LL.D., of Boston, Mass.
The two following papers are found among the Shattuck manuscripts

belonging to the New-England Historic Genealogical Society, and refer probably to some local gossip or scandal at Watertown. All the persons therein mentioned had previously lived there, but at the date of the writing Lawrence, Ong, Shattuck and Whitney were residents of Groton, and among the earliest settlers of the town. Jonathan Phillips was son of the first minister of Watertown, and John Sherman was the third minister of the same town.

we whose names are under writen doe testyfy that wharas John shadwick

[Shattuck] hath reported that Jacob Ong did see & could testyfy that Jonathan philips bath acted unsiuely with mary dauis we disiscorsing with him the sayd Jacob Ong consarning it he sayd he could say nothing [that] could hurt the sayd Jonathan nor never saw any unsiuel caridg by him the sayd Jonathan witnes our hand this

 1 October 66                            nathannil Lawranc

from groten Joshua whitney

                                         mary whitneys X marke
                   ---------------

Honoured Sr

   Mr Danforth
   The bearer hereof desiring it with such importunity as her present
   exercize bath pressed her to ye use of, I am constreyned to signify
   yt Jo: Shathock (as I have been by knowing Psons & of credit
   informed) carryed it soe at Groton in ye short time of his abode
   there, that, if ye character given of him be true, little credit is
   to be given to any thing which bath noe other & better evidence
   then his testimony.
                        Sr I am
                            yor humble Servant
                             JOH: SHERMAN

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From: "virginia & doug smith" <[email protected]>

To: <[email protected]> Subject: Children of Joseph Whitney and Orinda Stafford Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:20:22 -0600

I am looking for information on the children of Joseph Whitney, son of Lemuel and Thankful Griffith, born 1786 in Vermont, died 1855 in Clinton Co. New York and his wife Orinda Stafford. The only child I know about is Lemuel Griffith Whitney, born 1812 in Vermont, died 1859 in Clinton Co. New York. Can anyone help? Lemuel married Catherine Conrow.

Virginia Smith P.O. Box 517 St. Francisville LA 70775

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:32:27 -0600 To: [email protected] From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY: Old update for Joshua

The following is located in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 50, July 1896, p. 357.


 Whitney Genealogy. - I send for the Register corrections to the

"Whitney Genealogy" by Col. F. C. Pierce.

No. 193, pp. 59-60. "Squire" Joshua Whitney's wife was Amy Blodgett,

daughter of Dr. William and Sarah (Spalding nee Hall) Blodgett. She was born 16 February, 1723-4, in Plainfield, Conn., and died 21 December, 1819, in Canaan, Conn. Their daughter ABIGAIL WHITNEY was born 10 January, 1744, in Plainfield, married 2 June, 1768, in Plainfield, Capt. Asa Bacon of Canterbury, Conn., and died 21 September, 1821, in Woodstock, Conn. Captain Bacon was a son of "Leftenant" [sic] John and Ruth (Spalding) Bacon, was born 21 November, 1734, in Canterbury, and died there 15 October, 1819. He was active and prominent in town affairs, and was an officer in the Revolution.

New Haven, Conn.         FRANCIS BACON TROWBRIDGE.

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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:57:16 -0600 To: [email protected] From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY: Nathaniel-6 article

The following is located in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 137, April 1983, p. 143-145.


Nathaniel Whitney of Grafton, Massachusetts. Contributed by Michael J. Roman, Westborough, Mass.

While researching my family's history, I came across an error in

Frederick Clifton Pierce's Whitney genealogy that had me and others on a false trail for some years. I would like to take this opportunity to bring to light the error and indicate the correct information. On page 134 of The Descendants of John Whitney, Who Came From London, England, to Watertown, Massachusetts, in 1635 (Chicago, 1895) Pierce notes that Nathaniel-6 Whitney (Nathaniel-5-4-3, John-2-1) was born at Westborough, Mass., 28 July 1728, married at Grafton, Mass., 20 February 1754 Abigail Marstop and that he lived at Spencer at the time. The correct marriage data for Nathaniel was that he married Abigail Joslin, 26 December 1753.

It appears Pierce was confused by the fact that Nathaniel Whitney, who

married Abigail Joslin at Westborough, 26 December 1753, had children born in the neighboring town of Grafton, beginning with Nathaniel, born 14 October 1754; whereas Nathan Whitney married at Grafton, 20 February 1754, Abigail Marstass and had children born at Spencer beginning with John, born 7 September 1754. Note also that Pierce transformed Marstass from the records to Marstop in his work.

The error seems obvious when one realizes that Nathan and Nathaniel are

two separate names rather than two forms of the same name. To be absolutely certain that Nathaniel and Abigail Whitney were married in Westborough one needs to connect them with their Westborough families. Worcester County records provide this needed evidence.

A deed, dated 10 March 1755, establishes the connection on the Whitney

side. ". . . I Nathaniel Whitney of Westborough ... for and in Consideration of that Parentall love & good will that I have & do bare to my dutifull Son Nathaniel Whitney of Grafton . . ." (Worcester County, Mass., Deeds, 55:232).

The connection on the Joslin side comes from probate and land records.

Abigail Joslin's father Joseph Joslin, died in 1761, and the administrators of his estate in July 1762, set off to "Abigail the wife of Nathaniel Wheetney the Eldest Surviving Daughter of the Deceased: two tracts of land. One of twenty-two acres and ". . . allso near a bout fouer acers & a Quarter of an acer of River meadow and meadow Land Scittuate on the North Sid of Sudbury River So called bounded beginning at the River and Runs North Eleven Drs East Twenty - fouer rod by the meadow Land of Ithemar Bellows then a bout Thirty Dr East fouer rod and three Quarters of a rod then South Seventy one Drs East a bout Twenty Seven rods to a Small white oak and Stones then South a bout thirty one Dr w to a maple tree in the meadow marked and So to the River then by the River to where it began (Worcester County, Mass., Probate, 34095, Series A).

On 31 March 1763 ". . . Nathaniel Whitney of Grafton and Abigail

Whitney ye wife of ye said Nathaniel Whitney . . ." sold property with the same description as above to Jabez Snow of Westborough. The land was referred to as ". . . an absolute Estate of Inheritance in Fee simple." (Worcester Deeds, 55:6).

Nathaniel lived in Grafton until his death on I May 1776. Reverend

Ebenezer Parkman of Westborough wrote in his diary for 3 May of that year "p.m. I rode to Grafton to ye Funeral of the late Mr. Nathaniel Whitney (son of our late Mr. Nathaniel Whitney) he was taken ill last Saturday afternoon with anguishness, upon which followed a Fever, & expired on Wednesday p.m." (Westborough Public Library's microfilm copy of Reverend Ebenezer Parkman's diary). The elder Nathaniel Whitney had died at Westborough on 27 January 1776.

The above-mentioned evidence clearly points to the fact that Pierce's

person number 732, Nathaniel Whitney, married Abigail Joslin, 26 December 1753 at Westborough.

Further research led to the discovery of the identity of Nathaniel's

maternal grandparents. Pierce had found the marriage record of Nathaniel's parents and thus knew the mother's maiden name, but since no birth record exists, he gave no clue as to her origins. "Nathaniel Whitney junr. of Weston & Mary Child of Watertown were married in Weston. July. 20 1721. By Wm. Williams Pastor of ye Chh there" (Weston, Mass., Records). Henry Bond in his History of Watertown (Boston, 1860) also noted this marriage and made a guess as to who Mary's parents were but guessed wrongly.

The key to the Child question comes from the I I November 1755 entry in

Reverend Parkman's diary. "At Eve also Mr. Whitney and his Wife with their Brother Child return from the Funeral of his Sister Liscomb who has dy'd Somewhat Suddenly . . ." (The Diary of Ebenezer Parkman, 1703-1782, First Part, Three Volumes in One, 1719-1755, edited by Francis G. Walett [Worcester, Mass., 19741, 297). Nathaniel Whitney was variously referred to as Nathaniel Whitney, Mr. Nathaniel Whitney, or simply Mr. Whitney throughout this diary. The terms "Brother" and "Sister," as was customary for the times, covered the relationships for brother and sister as well as brother-in-law and sister-in-law as did the terms Father, Mother, Son, etc. If "Sister Liscomb" was actually the sister-in-law of Nathaniel Whitney, then her birth record would identify Mary Child's parents. Vital records show that Hannah Liscum died at Southborough, Mass., 10 November 1755, and that Samuel Liscomb of Southborough had married Hannah Fay at Westborough on 7 March 1733/4.

One need not trace Hannah back any further to find her origins. The

will of John Child of Waltham, Mass., dated 6 April 1742 and proved 14 December 1747, mentions Hannah Liscomb, a married daughter Mary (married name not given), and other children. ". . . I give and Bequeath unto my five Grand Children, being Children of my Daughter Hannah Liscum which she had by Her former Husband John Fay ... I Give and Bequeath unto my Daughter Mary the Sum of Thirty pounds which Sum together with what She hath already had at marriage is her portion (Middlesex County, Mass., Probate, no. 4412, First Series).

For further details on the ancestry of Mary Child and Abigail

Joslin, see Michael J. Roman, "The Ancestry of Hattie E. J. Bruce," copies of which are in the Society's library and circulating collection.


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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:22:11 -0500 From: Carlota <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: KEZIAH WHITNEY Search

KEZIAH WHITNEY married ABRAHAM JONES probably around the early 1700's and probably in Mass. Anybody out there recognize her? One of their sons was JOHN JONES born in 1743 or 1744 in Mendon, Ma. JOHN married ABIGAIL CHENEY. Thanks, 6Ggrandaughter, Carlota

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:06:09 -0800 From: knights <[email protected]> To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: KEZIAH WHITNEY Search References: <[email protected]>

Carlota, Check out this site. It is a database of Whitney Vital Records kept by Robert L. Ward. There are several records referring to at least one Keziah in Stow, MA - may give you some leads you don't have yet.

Good luck.

Colleen Knights

http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/mass/combined/k.html

Carlota wrote: > > KEZIAH WHITNEY married ABRAHAM JONES probably around the early 1700's > and probably in Mass. Anybody out there recognize her? > One of their sons was JOHN JONES born in 1743 or 1744 in Mendon, Ma. > JOHN married ABIGAIL CHENEY. Thanks, 6Ggrandaughter, Carlota

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:54:46 -0600 From: pj <[email protected]>

To: [email protected] Subject: [Fwd: whitney info of catlover]

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:53:23 -0600 From: pj <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: whitney info of catlover

i do have a connection to ohio whitneys but i am not sure how....on the 1850 walker co, ala census 305/75 list a thomas l. reed 36m farmer tn and living in the household as follows: minerva 40f sc, margarett 6f al reuben c 5m ala, mary ar 2f ala, jim polk 11/12m ala, marien WHITNEY 21m syanah a. WHITNEY 17f, elizabeth WHITNEY 15f, elhannan WHITNEY (my line) 12m, marional WHITNEY 11m farmer.....all whitneys are listed here born in al. but i have found records stating OHIO...family history goes that they were kin to eli whitney but of course that may be folk lore....is the minerva reed listed their mother that has remarried and had a new family....i have never been able to find out any info on this WHITNEY line...please [email protected]

From: "Thrull" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Big Momma" <[email protected]> Subject: I can't find my Phillip Whitney Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 02:00:40 -0500

Hi all! I have been watching this group for a long time. I posted once before but had little information at the time to get a connection. My Mother has been working real hard to get more information, I hope that someone out there knows where we belong! This is what we have so far, My mother has alot of info From Lemuel Phillip Whitney and down.

Windham County Vermont 1850 census.

                Lemuel Whitney (This is my ggggrandfather)born 1821 VT
                Clarissa S. (Maiden name Carpenter that we know)
                      Clarissa L Whitney
                      Lencius? (or Lemuel)
 Lemuel in his military records was listed as Lemuel PHILLIP Whitney

So we are under the assumption that Phillip and Sarah in 1850 is Lemuel' Father.

This is some of the info my mom sent on to me

In 1850 Phillip and Sarah are listed with Joseph age 20 and Martin age 18.

Next door is Martha age 80, and Margaret age 55 and Sophia age

16. Martha the mother and Margaret is probably Phillip's old maid sister. Next door is Bartlettt and his household age 46, probably Phillips brother and next door is Sarah and her household,age 46. think now that Martha and ? are the parents of Phillip,Bartlett,Martha and maybe Sarah.

In In 1860 Lemuel Whitney,Clarissa, Loella,Lencius or Lemuel, Ada, and Willis with Martha and Margaret living with them.

Next door is Willard M

(?Martin) and Phillip and Sarah. then is the Joseph household and the Emory household, i believe both are brothers of Lemuel

In 1870 are the Lake, Richard

                     Loella...........Clarissa Loella
               Whitney,Lemuel
                     Clarissa S.
                     Ada C.
                     Willis F.
                     Wesley
                     Flora Jane Whitney- married William Henry Fuller ( my

gggrandmother who named her daughter Ada Loella Fuller who married Robert Strong descendant of Elder John Strong of MA)

Lemuel and Clarissa S. Carpenter Whitney were living with daughter Loella and

her husband Richard Lake. Does Phillip Whitney born in 1797 Connect to someone out there? Help please! We have taken our Strong line way back, and are still trying to connect our Fullers and Whitney's back to their arrival in New England. Thanks and Regards Hoping to connect to our Whitney Cousins! Dawna and Carol [email protected] and [email protected]



Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:49:31 +0100 To: [email protected] From: Malcolm Bebb <[email protected]> Subject: Re: General Questions

Hi,

What's the 'Alice (WHITNEY?) WOODS' problem?

Malcolm

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:26:09 -0500 From: Vickie Elam White <[email protected]> Subject: Re: General Questions Sender: Vickie Elam White <[email protected]> To: "INTERNET:[email protected]" <[email protected]>

Malcolm,

<<What's the 'Alice (WHITNEY?) WOODS' problem?>>

Nathaniel WOODS of Groton MA supposedly married four times. HIs first wife was Eleanor _____ and his second wife was supposedly a woman whom generations of researchers have said was Alice WHITNEY, daughter of Joshua and descendant of John and Elinor. This Alice died by the time Nathaniel married his third wife in July 1721.

Joshua WHITNEY's will and an analysis of various vital records show that Joshua didn't have a daughter named Alice. Not only that, but I believe that Eleanor and Alice were actually one and the same, so Nathaniel WOODS was actually married only three times.

If you visit Robert Ward's website you will see a discussion of this issue.


Vickie Elam White [email protected]




Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:31:57 -0500 From: Kevin Spaulding <[email protected]>

Organization: Eastman Kodak Company To: [email protected] Cc: "Spaulding, Kevin" <[email protected]> Subject: Betsey Whitney (Shaw); MA>VT; 1792-1877 References: <[email protected]>

Hi WRG,

I recently came across an autobiographical account for a descendant of John-1 Whitney that I thought some of you might be interested in. It was written by

Betsey-7 (WHITNEY) SHAW. (Eliphalet-6, Samuel-5, Nathaniel-4, Nathaniel-3, John-2, John-1),

and was published in the book:

"Three Score and Ten Union Society: Being Autobiographical Accounts of the Experiences by Some Early Residents of Stowe, Vermont," Ed. Patricia L. Haslam, Stowe historical Society, Stowe, Vermont (1993).

Betsey married Benoni Shaw, the son of Crispus and Anna (BURKE) SHAW.

I will include a summary of the information in the account here, but would be happy to share a copy of the entry with anyone who is interested. I would love to hear from any cousins out there who share this line!

According to her account, she was born in "Shootsbury[sic], Mass Feby 1791." Moved to Morristown, VT in 1799 wth her family when she was eight years old. She indicates that they "had to cross the river from Morrisville side in a conoe and that was the way for some time to cross the river by canoe or fording it." She was the youngest of seven children (six girls and one boy) and lived at home until she was seventeen years old. She indicates that she then married Benoni Shaw in July 1809. (This is inconsistent with some other sources which give her marriage as 28 Aug 1810.) She was a member of the Methodist church for more than forty years. She indicates that she had eight children, of which four boys and two girls were living in 1874. She was 82 years old on 11 Nov 1874 when she wrote this account, and was living with her daughter "Mrs. Kelley." Even though her health was not good, she had pieced together six bedquilts that summer.

Regards,

Kevin Spaulding

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:10:21 To: "Thrull" <[email protected]>, [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: I can't find my Phillip Whitney

At 02:00 AM 3/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all! I have been watching this group >for a long time. I posted once before >but had little information at the time to >get a connection. >My Mother has been working real hard >to get more information, I hope that someone >out there knows where we belong! >This is what we have so far, My mother >has alot of info From Lemuel Phillip Whitney >and down. > >Windham County Vermont 1850 census. > Lemuel Whitney (This is my ggggrandfather)born 1821 VT > Clarissa S. (Maiden name Carpenter that we know) > Clarissa L Whitney > Lencius? (or Lemuel) > > Lemuel in his military records was listed as Lemuel PHILLIP Whitney > >So we are under the assumption that Phillip and Sarah in 1850 >is Lemuel' Father. > This is some of the info my mom sent on to me > >In 1850 Phillip and Sarah are listed with Joseph age 20 and Martin >age 18. > Next door is Martha age 80, and Margaret age 55 and Sophia age >16. Martha the mother and Margaret is probably Phillip's old maid >sister. >Next door is Bartlettt and his household age 46, probably >Phillips brother >and next door is Sarah and her household,age 46. >think now that Martha and ? are the parents of Phillip,Bartlett,Martha >and maybe Sarah. > >In In 1860 Lemuel Whitney,Clarissa, Loella,Lencius or Lemuel, Ada, and >Willis with Martha and Margaret living with them. > Next door is Willard M >(?Martin) and Phillip and Sarah. >then is the Joseph household and the Emory household, i believe both >are brothers of Lemuel > >In 1870 are the Lake, Richard > Loella...........Clarissa Loella > Whitney,Lemuel > Clarissa S. > Ada C. > Willis F. > Wesley > Flora Jane Whitney- married William Henry Fuller ( my >gggrandmother who named her daughter Ada Loella Fuller who married Robert Strong >descendant of Elder John Strong of MA) > Lemuel and Clarissa S. Carpenter Whitney were living with daughter Loella and >her husband Richard Lake. >Does Phillip Whitney born in 1797 Connect to someone out there? >Help please! We have taken our Strong line way back, and are still trying to >connect our Fullers >and Whitney's back to their arrival in New England. >Thanks and Regards >Hoping to connect to >our Whitney Cousins! >Dawna and Carol >[email protected] >and >[email protected]

In the 1840 Census Index, I found two Phillip WHITNEY individuals, of whom the second is undoubtedly yours: WHITNEY, Phillip, Bennington, Rutland Co., p. 145

  Phillip, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 134
  Bartlet, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 138
  Ebenezer, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 134
  Jonathan, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 134

In the 1830 Census Index: WHITNEY, Philip, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 161

  Alpheus, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 156
  Asa, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 158
  Eleasen, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 158
  Jotham, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 158

In the 1820 Census Index: WHITNEY, Philip, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 073

  Eleazer, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 071
  Ward, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 075

In the 1810 Census Index: WHITNEY, Asa, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 289

  Eleasar, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 289

In the 1800 Census Index: WHITNEY, Eleazer, Halifax, Windham Co., 22010-31010-00

No Eleazer WHITNEY appears in the 1790 Census Index.

The last record of this Eleazer WHITNEY says that he was 26-45 years old, as was his wife, and they had 2 sons 0-9, 2 sons 10-15, 3 daughters 0-9, and 1 daughter 10-15. This makes him born between 1755 and 1774. He is a very likely candidate for the father of your Philip WHITNEY, b. 1797.

I do not know the origin of Eleazer WHITNEY of Halifax, VT. Perhaps someone with access to Pierce's _Whitney Genealogy_ can find him. I also have no record of a marriage between any WHITNEY male and any BARTLETT or WARD female before 1800.

You should look for probate records for Eleazer WHITNEY between 1830 and 1840 in or near Halifax, VT, to look for proof that Philip was his son.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:19:17 To: Malcolm Bebb <[email protected]>, [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: General Questions References: <[email protected]>

At 08:49 AM 3/30/98 +0100, Malcolm Bebb wrote: >Hi, > >What's the 'Alice (WHITNEY?) WOODS' problem? > >Malcolm

See <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/correct.html#Josh1635> for a discussion of the problem. Basically, Alice (-----) WOODS, d. 10 Jan 1717/8, Groton, MA, wife of Nathaniel WOODS of Groton, is called in some references a daughter of Joshua WHITNEY, but there doesn't seem to be any primary documentation, and Joshua does not name a daughter Alice in his will, even though she was living at the time.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

From: "Thrull" <[email protected]>

To: <[email protected]> Subject: Phillip Whitney Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:46:49 -0500

In the 1840 Census Index, I found two Phillip WHITNEY individuals, of whom the second is undoubtedly yours: WHITNEY, Phillip, Bennington, Rutland Co., p. 145

  Phillip, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 134
  Bartlet, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 138
  Ebenezer, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 134
  Jonathan, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 134

In the 1830 Census Index: WHITNEY, Philip, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 161

  Alpheus, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 156
  Asa, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 158
  Eleasen, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 158
  Jotham, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 158

In the 1820 Census Index: WHITNEY, Philip, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 073

  Eleazer, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 071
  Ward, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 075

In the 1810 Census Index: WHITNEY, Asa, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 289

  Eleasar, Halifax, Windham Co., p. 289

In the 1800 Census Index: WHITNEY, Eleazer, Halifax, Windham Co., 22010-31010-00

No Eleazer WHITNEY appears in the 1790 Census Index.

The last record of this Eleazer WHITNEY says that he was 26-45 years old, as was his wife, and they had 2 sons 0-9, 2 sons 10-15, 3 daughters 0-9, and 1 daughter 10-15. This makes him born between 1755 and 1774. He is a very likely candidate for the father of your Philip WHITNEY, b. 1797.

I do not know the origin of Eleazer WHITNEY of Halifax, VT. Perhaps someone with access to Pierce's _Whitney Genealogy_ can find him. I also have no record of a marriage between any WHITNEY male and any BARTLETT or WARD female before 1800.

You should look for probate records for Eleazer WHITNEY between 1830 and 1840 in or near Halifax, VT, to look for proof that Philip was his son.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

I thank you so much, this helps alot! I was quite unsure of what to do now! There are so many Whitney's, I could not figure out who specifically to look at. I kept looking at the Marlborough Ma info because my gggrandmother Flora Jane Whitney d of Lemuel Phillip . s of Phillip Whitney 1797 Halifax VT. She Married William Henry Fuller s of William H Fuller New Salem, Mass and Lydia Maynard of Marlbough, Ma

Young William Henry was born Sept 30,1861

in Marlborough Ma. He died June 7,1917 in Feeding Hills Ma. They had 8 children. What interested me in Marborough (really looked at last night) was On your Site Births Vital Records to 1850 Barrit (Barret, C.R) s. Benjamin and Sarah, sep 22, 1715 I had wondered if this might be something worth checking into. I Combed all the info and made a tree from theese individuals in Marlbough Ma.

Sophia caught my eye as well.
If Eleazer had a wife Martha? (Listed as 80 in 1850.) That is

Probally him! Now just need to gear up and add all the new information that we have gotten recently and blow off the dust on my Family Tree Maker then we can get Phillip and his family up for others to see. Thanks again from Florida! Dawna and Carol [email protected]

I


From: "Thrull" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: RE:Benjamin connection Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:37:25 -0500

Hi, Unfortunaly I don't have a Benjamin Whitney. My Whitney names are not very long at the moment. I think we might be pointed in an interesting direction at the moment with the possible Eleazer Whitney Robert L. Ward has thankfully pointed us to.

Will keep my eyes out for anything helpful to your search as well! My mom has been scouring the cenus rolls. (till her eyes have crossed!)

At the moment I only have my Whitney's going

back three generations (going backwards)

We were considering doing some research in NY in a particular email my mother sent me had the following information. As the Pension record we were waiting for finally came in. Just thought I would add in case anything might help you in your search.

Military records  for Lemuel P. Whitney,.. it says in

one page that his middle name was Philip. He married Clarissa S. Carpenter in Halifax Vermont on August 31,1845, marriage performed by Rev. Samuel Fish

There was no physical description, but he did have a strained hip due to a skirmish in Wilmington in Sept of 1862.

He died  June 21,1884 of heart disease at

age 63 years, 8 months.

In the military record, this man gave an affidavit and he stated his relation to Clarissa as son in law. Nathan Mann who married a daughter of Lemuel and Clarissa. (Probally Ada Whitney)

In 1925 a Lesley Vanderoef of Homer NY wrote to the

military wanting dates for his/her paternal grandfather Lemuel Philip Whitney, so the letters are in the file.

If we make any connections or gather anything new will keep on posting it. Good Luck! Dawna [email protected]



Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:07:36 -0500 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Changing e-mail address on list Sender: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Sorry for posting this to everyone, but I'm having a bit of trouble receiving duplicate mail -- and can't for the life of me figure out who should receive this. So bear with me.

Compuserve mail is wonderful, but in the past year they have changed our addresses. So, when attempting to unsubscribe, our list does not recognize the old address. For instance, I was once known to all at a numbered address: [email protected] But then Cserve decided that we should be able to use names instead of numbers, so I was changed to [email protected] --

All was hunky dorey and I was happy -- until I installed Outlook Express, bundled with Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.0. I like using Outlook Express very much, BUT I cannot use my old addresses at all for sending internet mail on the fly. So, now I have a THIRD e-mail address: [email protected]

The [email protected] address is the one I want to use exclusively now. How can I unsubscribe from my old address(es) if Roots Web will not recognize it?

Help!

-) Jeanne Muse

From: BCofer 612 <[email protected]>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:13:26 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Jonathan & Lydia

Hi, everyone,

    Does anyone out there have a Jonathan Whitney & wife Lydia Jones, and their

daughter Lydia, b 3 July 1657. I don't know where she was born, or where or when she died. She marr 15 Apr 1684 at Sherborn, MA, or Canterbury, CT, Moses Adams? Moses was the son of (Lt.) Henry & Elizabeth (Paine) Adams.

    I can go 'way back on the Adams line, but nowhere on the Whitney one.  Any

help greatly appreciated! Barbara [email protected]


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