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Hello Tim,

Thank you for the welcome and it would be grand if you could match my username to the page. I have average computer skills so sometimes don't know what I'm doing.

Thank you for your help, Lisbeth

you wrote.....

Welcome to the site!

I see that you tried to move one of your pages to make it look better. Since these pages are ties to your username here, they have to stay the same. I can, however, change your username/login here to match that if you'd like.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 15:31, 1 October 2007 (CDT)


These are census dates. The marriage dates came from Ancestry. Thanks.




I have not finished editing Hiram yet. There will be several more pages that will be added before I am finished. I just got tired last night before I finished. I'll add the rest tonight. Thanks.


Introduction Page Error, etc.


At the bottom of Discussion Forum - User Introductions there is a link labeled "Introduce Yourself!". Clicking on it gives a blank page. This must be an error.

Also I have found three pages which need content:

- Robert - Talk to me 15:30, 8 October 2007 (CDT)



I can't identify him. The vital records of Boston 1810-1840 are no longer extant, which makes it difficult, and he's not in Pierce, nor in My best guess is that, since his second son was named Henry, he might be one of the three sons under 10 of Henry Whitney in the 1820 Census of Boston, 9th ward. Of course, I don't know who that Henry was, either!

Did you see this web page?

- Robert - Talk to me 08:39, 12 October 2007 (CDT)

Thomas of Maryland


I have not seen this family before. In Kentucky there are several men who are considered "Clothiers" by occupation so that is something to look into, but as of right now, I am not familiar with this gentleman.


New Wiki


Have you seen this?

- Robert - Talk to me 12:27, 17 October 2007 (CDT)

Hi Tim:

I'm new to this Whitney clan and just signed on. I have a question about DNA testing as there appear to be many different firms performing this...

I have been working a bit with the organizer of this page: and she arranged for my Foskett cousin to submit DNA to

I'm wondering if you have surveyed the various companies. Who are the leaders. If dnaheritage is a bit player I suspect it's possible that DNA submitted with one firm might not match up with dna that appears in a larger firm's database.

Thanks. tombrown 'at'

Hi Tim - Looked at some of the 1830 census project states that have been completed, I see there is some inconsistency. I am making mine three lines long, because I have found some variations in the names, I am using the second line to clarify those differences. I see someone numbered the Kentucky folks and there is a header in one of the states I did. Because I am doing my lists in a word document and then copying to WRG I can make changes, if necessary, to previous records. I just posted New Hampshire, would you mind taking a peek to see if it looks okay? Thanks much.


Nameless Children


I agree: (son), (daughter), or (child). I assume a bot can do the changes.

- Robert - Talk to me 17:59, 29 October 2007 (CDT)

Total Whitneys


One should be able to combine the data from How many Whitneys? with fertility and life expectancy data, and come up with a figure for total number of Whitneys in a given window of time (say 1600-1900). I don't know where to obtain such data. I call to your attention to this interesting web site: How many people have ever lived? Keyfitz's calculation updated. The assumptions there are quite wrong, partly because life spans have increased during the time frame in question, but such a technique could be the start of such an investigation.

- Robert - Talk to me 05:33, 30 October 2007 (CDT)

Access Issue


I think the access issue had to do with trying to patrol the changes you made to User:Tdoyle/Sandbox18. Attempting to do that seems to have hung my browser, due to its large size. Killing the window and starting over, and using the procedure you suggested for patrolling large pages was successful in both the patrolling and the un-hanging of the browser. I'll have to keep that in mind next time!

- Robert - Talk to me 05:37, 30 October 2007 (CDT)

Big Census Extracts


I agree that breaking the page up is a good idea. With 775 households in Massachusetts in 1860, including 275 in Worcester County alone, it really is too big. I'll proceed along those lines now.

- Robert - Talk to me 14:55, 4 November 2007 (CST)

Liz Fleming's Whitney family

Thank you very much. This is incredibly helpful. I printed everything up so I can enjoy it at home tonight after work. (I don't have a computer at home). My ancestors are definitely Henry and Fanny Miller Whitney and Charles Whitney and Malvina Orr. I have information from the Whitney Bible at home and they are all mentioned in it. Do you think anyone would be interested in knowing about our line from Ada Whitney to present? I have a lot of that information. Thanks again for your help. Everything about these people--who they were and what they did is fascinating to me. Liz

Family Info

That would be fine. I can bring my information to work next week and transcribe it. I am not very computer literate. Is there a special format or is it ok to just send it to you via this route? I also got to meet my mom's cousin, Ralph Whitney in September and he sent me additional information about the descendants of Dora Wurst Whitney and and Ora Ralph Whitney. Thanks again! Liz

Census Index


There are two ways to organize the census pages: by year, and by location. We could actually do both.

  • On the main page, list the years, with links to year pages, and the locations, with links to location pages.
  • On each year page, list the locations for that year (and the potential heads, where appropriate), with links. There should be links to the next and the previous years.
  • On each location page, list the years for that location, with links. There could be links to neighboring locations.
  • Have a page for each year and each location, with links to the index and the extracts. There could be links to next and previous years for that location, and neighboring locations for that year.
  • As now, the index pages are linked to the extract pages, the extract pages to the family group records and vice versa.


- Robert - Talk to me 11:41, 11 November 2007 (CST)

Census Reorganization


We could get rid of the grid, or we could keep it if you like it. If we kept it, each grid entry should be a link not to the census index page, but to the location/year page.

I'm not sure how we should handle the breadcrumbs for pages which properly belong to two parents.

- Robert - Talk to me 21:32, 11 November 2007 (CST)

Samuel of Jamaica, VT


Your analysis is excellent. I have a candidate for Samuel Whitney of Jamaica, VT: check out Family:Whitney, Aaron (1734-a1791), who lived in Jamaica. Notice Samuel named a son Aaron, too.

This looks like another error in Pierce.

- Robert - Talk to me 22:09, 13 November 2007 (CST)

James Whitney m. Lura Johnson


I've been looking at Family:Whitney, James (1811-1856), and Archive:Wrentham, Massachusetts, Vital Records. What do you think about identifying the two Jameses, at least tentatively, even though their birth dates differ by two days? Benjamin who m. Hepzibah Moore was said to have settled in New York (see Family:Whitney, James (1755-1800)), but I haven't been able to pinpoint his location there.

Both of James's sons I found in the 1880 Census, but both left father's birthplace blank! His daughter Mary I didn't find.

- Robert - Talk to me 15:43, 17 November 2007 (CST)

Duplicates on "Wanted Pages"


I went to "Special Pages" and then "Wanted Pages". I found several duplicates on that list, to my surprise. For example, I found

  315. Family:Whitney, Anna (1730-1785) ‎(2 links)
 1007. Family:Whitney, Anna (1730-1785) ‎(2 links)

There were quite a few others, too. This seems like a bug to me.

- Robert - Talk to me 17:57, 18 November 2007 (CST)

Samuel of Maugerville


See: <>. Apparently Pierce is wrong again. By the way "Maugerville" is pronounced as if it were "Majorville".

- Robert - Talk to me 12:40, 21 November 2007 (CST)


Just going through my old geneology book to create our page! Don't worry, I'll go back through and update the gaps, I just want to get it done before family come over for thanksgiving!


I deleted my personal information, but do you prefer to have living persons pages completely erased? I really don't mind if my lineage is shown to the public.

How does it look?

How does it look? I have somemore updates that I will recieve from my grandmother tomorrow and I will continue to update it over the break.

Patrol Edit


The removed material was restored by this edit: [1]. Thanks for your vigilance, however!

- Robert - Talk to me 14:02, 26 November 2007 (CST)

Merging FGR Format Pages


I've attempted to merge Family Group Page Format Standards into Family Group Record Format. Please review my attempt carefully, and make any changes you think appropriate. When you are satisfied, please delete the former, redirecting links from it to the latter.

Actually, the page is over-long, and begs to be split into four: the example, the general formats, the specific items, and using the form or the templates.

I especially wish that there were a simpler, more direct way of using the two templates. I know we had such a way with one of them before the form was created.

- Robert - Talk to me 07:05, 3 December 2007 (CST)

James Whitney of Moriah, NY


I definitely agree that we have a match with James, son of Benjamin and Hepzibah (Moore) Whitney and James, with wife Susan (not Lura) Johnson. Go ahead and take out the tentative language on both pages, and in the Notes section explain the logic of the identification.

- Robert - Talk to me 05:24, 5 December 2007 (CST)

Samuel of Seneca, NY


I fixed the baptism location. Here is another candidate for him. See Family:Whitney, Joshua (1754-1835). This one is more closely approximating his estimated age, and we don't know a whole lot about Joshua's family.

- Robert - Talk to me 15:56, 8 December 2007 (CST)



I can't help much with this. Those minutes are too abbreviated for me to reconstruct what matters they refer to. Your guess is as good as mine.

I did find this page: It says that "ads." means "adverse". I don't know what this implies. Perhaps it is an action where each party sues the other, as opposed to versus, where one sues the other.

- Robert - Talk to me 10:55, 19 December 2007 (CST)

1810 Progress


I've reached the end of the 1810 part of the Census Identification Project. I am disappointed at the number of unidentified census entries, and the number of missing households expected to appear. Any assistance you can offer would be most welcome.

- Robert - Talk to me 17:53, 22 December 2007 (CST)

New to WRG

Hi Tim, My name is Patty Whitney and I am going by the user name Patty Whitney Gravois. Just wanted to check in and say hello. You really have done a wonderful job with this site. I've been lurking for years. I'm trying to find Chris Jarvis, who has written to you before. She called me a few months ago but her phone number was accidentally deleted from my answering machine before I could get it down. I've been trying to find her email on the site but am having trouble doing so. Would you be so kind as to notify her that I am trying to reach her and would she please re-call me in Louisiana or email me? Thank you. Patty.

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