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I've corrected the first two links. The Manor records link was one that you added a link to back in November. Although we do have that document, I have not attempted to put it online. Unless you had something in mind when you added the link to the page, I'd suggest we just remove the link for now.

I know about the discussion forum issues - it's a big issue that I need to look into, but thank you for reminding me about it.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 18:41, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

Fred Whitney


Can you identify Family:Whitney, Frederick Henry (c1816-a1860)?

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 07:27, 12 October 2007 (CDT)

New Wiki


No, I had not seen that site, thank you for alerting me to it. It is interesting for two reasons - the first is that it is yet another wiki being used for genealogical purposes, but also because it is based upon another wiki platform that I was unaware of.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 13:21, 17 October 2007 (CDT)



Take a look at User:Tdoyle/Sandbox14. This was now possible because of the recent update.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 19:39, 23 October 2007 (CDT)

Chauncey B Whitney

Thank you for your help. As I looked at the photo of the grave stone, I learned that his life was from 12/31/1809 to 12/22/1887. But this does not match the other Chauncey B. Whitney (1805 - 1866 and with a different wife and kids) or any other Chauncey Whitneys on this website. How should I go about going back another generation to find Chauncey B. Whitney's parents?

Incidentally the Chandler Bradley you identified - son of Mary Elizabeth Whitney is my Great Grandfather.

Thanks for your help.

Bill Gray

Thank you

Thank you for your great ideas. I appreciate your help.

I am having fun researching my genealogy.


List of Whitneys by Given Name (no page of their own)


I'm making progress on an automated system to extract a list of Whitney children listed on the Family Group pages who do not have pages of their own. The process is not yet fully automated and does not yet extract birth or death years for these individuals, but the first such list can be viewed at User:Tdoyle/Sandbox18. If you're looking for an individual, this list may help.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 07:20, 29 October 2007 (CDT)

Whitney List


I've updated the list at User:Tdoyle/Sandbox18. The remaining non-Whitneys have been removed and the date ranges have been added. Note that there could still be issues with the dates - if you find any examples, please bring them to my attention before fixing any pages. Also note that any individuals who have links to pages which do not exist (such as I have seen on the Henry Whitney descendant pages you have been adding), they will not be included on either list.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 13:57, 29 October 2007 (CDT)

Standard for unknown children's names


I noticed in the current list that we've used the following various designations for children's names which are unknown:

  • ----- - FIXED
  • son - FIXED
  • Son - FIXED
  • daughter - FIXED
  • Daughter - FIXED
  • child - FIXED
  • Child - FIXED
  • Male - FIXED
  • Female - FIXED
  • unknown - FIXED
  • Unknown - FIXED
  • ----- (son) - FIXED
  • ----- (daughter) - FIXED
  • (male) - FIXED
  • (female) - FIXED
  • (--?--) - FIXED

If we are to properly organize these, I propose we create a standard for listing such children.

In order to group such children all together, I propose we use (parentheses) around whatever term(s) we select. This assures that they won't be intermixed under the letters s & d or m & f, but instead will rise together to the top. I also propose that we use the terms "son" or "daughter" if the sex of the child is known, and "child" if not. All other versions listed above would be converted to "(son)", "(daughter)", or "(child)".

Your thoughts?

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 15:16, 29 October 2007 (CDT)



All of the various children forms have been corrected, and a new list generated. The script that I run to gather that information is supposed to automatically slow itself so as not to affect other users, but it could be set incorrectly. If the access issue comes up again, please let me know. I checked the access logs and I did see others accessing the site during the time period you mentioned.

FYI - we currently have 3,071 family group pages with the surname of Whitney, and there are an additional 10,187 Whitneys who don't have pages of their own, making a total of 13,258 Whitneys identified on our Family Group pages! However, compare this number to the estimates on How many Whitneys? and I think we still have a ways to go. Keep in mind that that page doesn't list the total number of Whitneys ever, just the estimated number at any given point in a specific time range.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 22:13, 29 October 2007 (CDT)

Access Issue


I actually had to increase the memory usage size limit of the wiki software in order for that page to load without timing out, so I know it is way too large. I didn't attempt to patrol it as I knew that it would be too large for the difference engine to handle and tried to patrol them the backdoor method, but it appears that you go there first and obviously had issues.

I have two plans on how to do the Given Name pages. 1) Have the bot create/update subpages ("Adam Whitney/BotCreatedList" or some other such name) and then include that on "Adam Whitney". This would allow users to see and edit the main page but not have access to the bot-generated page. 2) Have the bot load the main pages "Adam Whitney", remove all contents between certain markers, replace it with the new list, and save the page. There are pros & cons to each, and I am thinking this through, but I know for certain that one large page will not be the answer.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 09:23, 30 October 2007 (CDT)

Indexing Project


I ran my new script to index all Whitney children listed in the family group pages who don't have pages of their own last night, and it completed alphabetically through "Rachel" last night before timing out. I will run it again today to complete it. If you look at the recent changes list and select 'show bots' and 'show patrolled', you can see all of the changes. It appears as though this version of MediaWiki pre-patrols any bot edits. Let me know if you see any issues. I've noticed that the sorting could be improved in these new sections. Note that my script will automatically purge and replace anything in that section, so don't make any changes in there or it will be lost.

Although this script now automates the task of adding children to the list, as well as removing children from the lists who have their names adjusted (deleted, spelling changes, etc.), the one thing it will not do is remove the index page when the last child of that name is removed. Keep in mind that there will be some cleanup required if we adjust the names of children with unusually spelled names. Of course, I could also write a script to search for any such index page which has no children listed.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 08:14, 31 October 2007 (CDT)


I've noticed your continued work on Archive:1860 Census Extracts, Massachusetts. That page is getting fairly large. What would you think about splitting these large later census extract pages up by smaller geographical units, such as by County, and using the existing page as a list of counties to click through too? We'll want to do this before we start linking family group pages to the entries.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 14:31, 4 November 2007 (CST)

Census Issues


First, I have been wondering about the main census page. I've noticed that we use a grid format for the index pages, yet for the extracts, we list the years, then select the states from those pages. Although I don't have an answer, I'm just wondering if we might be able to rework something so we're more consistent in our approach.

Also, I just ran the Rename Bot. One of the pages to be renamed was the 1880 extracts for MA. Although the page was renamed, the bot apparently was not able to remove the rename banner at the top, nor was it able to change any of the census index pages that link to that page - probably because of the size of the pages. This will all need to be cleaned up manually now. I wanted to point this out, as we'll have to remember this when we want to rename overly large pages in the future.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 09:44, 11 November 2007 (CST)

Census Organization


I like this approach. Would we get rid of our current grid approach?

What do you think about using an imagemap for the localities? Take a look at the map on the page en:U.S. state and note that you can just click on a state to go to that state. I don't know if I care for the colorization of that particular map, but it's the concept I wanted to show you.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 16:36, 11 November 2007 (CST)

Census Reorganization


I like the new approach. Let's keep the grid for now, but we may end up getting rid of it. I see you've already started - excellent!

I now have the old website back online (realized it was off - loose network cable was the culprit). I also got the databases working again, but they're offline for now as I realized there were privacy issues in them before. I'm trying to set something up so we have access and can migrate data over.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 21:10, 13 November 2007 (CST)

Whitneys of Clarendon, VT


Take a look at the Whitneys of Clarendon, VT in 1800 and compare to the family of Silas Whitney. Note that we've already matched up Oliver and David. Sons Silas and Bart were dead by 1800. Son Benjamin was not yet married, and was probably living with his father or one of his brothers. His father has not yet been located. Son Samuel is supposedly 40 miles to the north in Jamaica, VT. That leaves two men as yet unidentified in Clarendon: Samuel and Solomon. Now I believe that Solomon is actually another son of Silas that we knew about, but had no information other than his name. If this is him, then he was born between 1755 and 1774. Unless he was a twin, I see no spot for him other than at the later end of that time period, about 1774. He has a man aged 16-26 with him, and this could be his brother Benjamin. This is starting to fit nicely. The real issue comes up when we look at the last unidentified Whitney - Samuel. Now Silas had a son named Samuel, but he was supposedly up in Jamaica according to Pierce. If he is instead here in Clarendon with a wife, 2 daughters, and a son, who then is the Samuel whose family is outlined at Family:Whitney, Samuel (1764-1825)?

Where was Silas? My guess was that he was living with a daughter and son-in-law.


- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 21:39, 13 November 2007 (CST)

Samuel of Jamaica


I just finished adjusting for the change we discussed (and got sidetracked splitting up 1880 MA as it was too large to save as it was). Now I have run into a major problem. This Samuel supposedly married Cynthia Powers and is the ancestor of Ben H. Whitney (see User:BenHWhitney and User:BenHWhittney) through his son Benjamin. Now since the Samuel we adjusted did not marry a Cynthia nor did he have a son Benjamin, this is a problem! Added to this is the fact that Ben has a DNA pattern which matches three other descendants of Eleazer3 and now I don't feel this is a good match.

Unless... perhaps the Samuel who m. Cynthia Powers was actually the same as Samuel, son of Family:Whitney, John (1731-a1760).


- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 23:28, 13 November 2007 (CST)

State Census Records


I have a book here called State Census Records by Ann S. Lainhart and there are literally hundreds of such censuses listed. For example, New York apparently had enumerations in 1790, 1825, 1835, 1845, 1855, 1865, 1875, 1892, 1905, 1915, and 1925. Let me know if you think this might be of use in our current project.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 22:06, 14 November 2007 (CST)

Genealogical Metadata on Wikis


Take a look at This genealogy wiki is using metadata, saved on /info subpages under each "person" page, to represent the specific details of a person. This then allows programs to process the data. For an example, see the "Family Tree" tab on William the Conqueror's page on that site. This is an example of the growing tide of "Semantic Web" concepts, and something which we may want to consider implementing in some way at some point.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 15:27, 18 November 2007 (CST)

Your Dream

I am amazed at how much of this has come true!

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 21:08, 19 November 2007 (CST)

Who is using the site?

Have you ever wondered how many people were using the site at any given time? This page shows all logged in users, the time of their last access, and a count of users who have not logged in. People fall off of the list after 1 hour of no activity.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 08:24, 21 November 2007 (CST)

Death of Samuel Whitney


Could you please review the death date of Family:Whitney, Samuel (1707-a1789). Did he die in 1754 as Pierce appears to imply? Did he die in 1789 as we have it? If so, what is the source of this date? The records seem to conflict with each other. One says he was taken prisoner in 1754 and died 3 weeks later, another says he was taken prisoner and escaped in 1751. He is stated to have been granted land in 1761. I am confused.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 09:40, 21 November 2007 (CST)

RE: Good to Have You On Board

Thanks a lot for you help. What do you recommend about pages concerning me and my mother. I really don't mind that they are posted. Do you think it would be best to delete them?

--SDiedrick 20:55, 21 November 2007 (CST)

New Pages


Don't forget to add newly created family pages to the Given Name index pages. I marked one such page as patrolled, and then added it to the index, but I haven't done so for the other pages as my laptop connection here is slow and it's tedious to add these to the indexes from this laptop. I'll leave these new pages as unpatrolled until either you or I can index them.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 12:40, 23 November 2007 (CST)

Learning How to Use the Wiki

Thanks Robert, This is my first experience with a wiki and I am still learning. It's unfamiliar at first but very logical.

At 3pm EST Sun 11/25, by ordinary (external) e-mail, I sent a message with two attachments to you. If you did not get it, please let me know.

Regards, Deane

non-Whitney family group records?

Is this web site meant to include non-Whitney-surname family group records, for example families of Whitney daughters?

Yesterday 11/24 I started to create two non-Whitney family group records in my own ancestor tree, but then realized that the same information is included in user:dwmerrill.

I'm not sure how to delete or edit the two incomplete pages.

Deane Merrill

modified WRG Member Lineages

Robert, My first wiki editing experience was pretty good. Please check the format of the file I modified. I added my two lines. I used the tags 318 and 318a, and manually changed "next number" to 319. I hope I got the format right.

Another user Tara [767?] was editing the file simultaneously, I think. If the Wiki is smart enough to allow users to edit simultaneously AND prevent them from wiping out each other's changes, I am very impressed.


Patrol Edit


Can you review the oldest edit still unpatrolled, [1]? I'm not sure that all of the material removed was meant to be.


- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 10:07, 26 November 2007 (CST)

Linking records

Robert -- Thank you very much for your assistance with the record linkage.

I have one further question on this subject. If I insert the linkage, as you did, by making the son's entry in the parent's record point to the son's record, is the linkage that shows the son's parentage automatically set up by the system, or do you have to manage that as well. For example, though I had entered the parentage for the son in the new record I created for him, it was not active (i.e., selectable) in that record, but is now.

Kind regards

- Gary E. Swinson

Hello Again

24 November 2007

Dear Robert,

I have sent a longer private message to your (old?) email address at Please let me know if it reached you.

Deane Whitney Merrill Jr.

Asheville NC (formerly Bear Haven B&B, Shelburne Falls MA)

James Whitney


Family:Whitney, James (1811-1856) is the ancestor of User:Helen Marcellus. We previously knew he was of Edinburg, NY and postulated that he might have been the James, son of Family:Whitney, Benjamin (1785-a1850) who "Settled in New York". Today I located James in 1850 in Moriah, Essex Co., NY with his wife (Susan, not Lura) and children Mary, Franklin, and Warren, all as Helen stated. Living next door was Benjamin and "Epsee" (Hepzibah) Whitney, of the correct age to have been Family:Whitney, Benjamin (1785-a1850). Do you agree that we have a match?

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 20:48, 4 December 2007 (CST)

Phinehas's death


Please look at Family:Whitney, Phinehas (1740-1824). It appears that our import set his death date at 1870 - where that came from I don't know, but you changed it to 1812 a while back. Again, I don't know where that date came from. It now appears that he died in 1824 - correct?

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 11:23, 7 December 2007 (CST)



On Family:Whitney, John (1731-a1760), it states that the son Samuel was bp. Marlborough. I checked Archive:Marlborough, Massachusetts, Vital Records and didn't see it listed. I searched the history of the FGP and found that the original was added by Andaleen, and read as follows: Old page. You cleaned up the page later and removed her comments, leaving the wording as it now stands. Do you have any thoughts on this Samuel and where he was bp.?

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 15:46, 8 December 2007 (CST)

Samuel of Seneca, NY

Well, I found a source that just ruled out that one.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me

Ads. Comith


On the page near the top is an entry for a Francis Whitney witht he notation "Ads. comith". Other similar notations "ads. Cornth", "ads. Conith" and "ads. cornith" show the term was used fairly often, but the question marks and various spellings indicate that the transcriber wasn't sure what it was. Other entries such as "ads. James Piper" indicate to me that "ads." stood for "administrations" and was typically followed by the name of the administrator. Do you agree? Do you have any clues as to what the second word meant? Could it be as simple as "cometh", as in, "it's coming"?

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 10:01, 19 December 2007 (CST)