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I inadvertently created two user ids and pages. Please delete the older ones, i.e., under CurtWhitney. Thank you. Curtwhitney

Census Progress

Tim:

I have finished extracting the censuses from 1790 through 1820. Heritage Quest Online doesn't yet have 1830 through 1850, nor 1930, on-line. I am not planning on starting 1860 through 1920, which they do have on-line, although I am willing to look up individual items.

I think I'll try to analyze the ones I've posted, creating links to and from family group records where they exist. Perhaps I'll create some family group records for families in the census which I can't identify.

- Robert - Talk to me 16:03, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

Census Link

Tim:

The link is to Nathaniel Whitney's page for Nathaniel's unmarried son Amos, who doesn't have a page of his own.

- Robert - Talk to me 15:03, 1 August 2007 (CDT)

1790 Census Images

Tim:

I am noticing that even the 1790 census images I am reading have confused Whitney with Whiting in several places. The handwriting in the images is clearly Whitney, but the individuals are surely Whiting men. For an example, consider "John Lake Whitney", Shrewsbury, MA, page 544. The image is crystal clear, and the reading is unmistakable. I can't find anyone by that name, but there was definitely a John Lake Whiting in the Shrewsbury VRs, who m. 27 Aug 1782, Olive Wyman, and recorded two children there.

I can only conclude that the pages of which we are seeing images are copies of some originals, now lost, and that the unknown copyists made the errors. The fact that some townships have their entries alphabetized by last name initial supports the hypothesis of a copying (and rearranging) at some point. I confess that I was not aware of this.

Additionally, there could be indexing errors. I found one example where the index showed Whittne, one of our variant spellings, but the image showed Whitten, a different family. There were other kinds of errors, too.

This means that even the images we are using are not primary sources. That has some unfortunate consequences. One is that we may have to go through the indices and images again for the Whiting surname, looking for stray Whitney individuals! Sorting them out from the real Whitings is a task I wouldn't look forward to! It could involve compiling a family tree of the three Whiting families (descendants of Samuel, Nathaniel, and William Whiting, immigrants) down to 1790. This is not to mention the Whiton or Whitten families.

I know you have encountered the same phenomenon with one of your own Whitney ancestors, listed in the census as Whiting.

- Robert - Talk to me 09:27, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

1790 Heads

Tim:

Thanks for creating the list you did. It should be very helpful, however, it must be incomplete, because the Henry descendants have only been carried down to the fifth generation. There will be some sixth generation ones who would qualify but don't yet have family group records. I have already had to create such a page for Sherwood⁶ Whitney to accommodate one census entry from Vermont, no doubt there will be more from New York, and I may have missed some from Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont.

I could go through the sixth generation from Phoenix and create pages I think would qualify, and then add them to your list. Probably I should do that next before continuing with the 1790 links.

If you'd like to check off the ones on your list we have identified, that would be good. You could add the place we found them, with a link to the appropriate 1790/91 census extract. I think this would be a great addition to our suite of census pages, with similar ones for each census year. For the time being, I don't see doing more that just 1790/91, but certainly we would want to have a similar thing for 1800 through 1820, at least. With Heritage Quest Online, I can do searches for those years by first name only, which could turn up some missing folks hiding under Whiting or other (mis-)spellings.

What do you think about creating a Research: namespace for this and other pages we are using for that kind of purpose?

By the way, do you have any idea who Family:Whitney, Joshua (c1746-1816) could be? All of the Joshua Whitney men I have born in the 1740s seem to be otherwise accounted for. Do we have any DNA evidence from descendants of Calvin or Haynes to point us anywhere?

- Robert - Talk to me 09:39, 5 August 2007 (CDT)

Localities

Tim:

Agreed that the Localities page should be as you suggest. That makes a good deal of work making sure that all pages are properly categorized, but worth it in the long run.

- Robert - Talk to me 10:37, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

Census Volunteers

Tim:

I see that we have a new volunteer to help with census work, Carol Whitney Cook. I'll be glad to ask her if she has access to Ancestry.com, to make the new indexes and extractions from the 1830, 1840, and 1850 censuses, with your approval. Somehow we should split that work up between her and Andaleen Whitney. If you prefer, you can organize the two of them and yourself to do that. I'm plenty busy identifying the census entries with family groups, and then reformatting the family group pages encountered in the process.

- Robert - Talk to me 10:37, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

Locality Categories

Tim:

It sounds like you're doing a good thing. I approve. I hope that, when you find a misspelling, you either manually correct it on the appropriate page(s), or set the robot to do that, too. Also be on the look-out for erroneous county assignments. It could be, for example, that Charlestown would be listed under both Suffolk and Middlesex Counties, MA, when only Middlesex is correct.

- Robert - Talk to me 11:15, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

Killlingly 1790 Census

Tim:

If you give me the page number, I can look at Heritage Quest Online to see if they have the image of that page for Cornelius Whiting. FamilySearch.org lists only one Cornelius Whiting, of Wrentham, MA, who died as an infant, and the birth of the Cornelius Whitney in question, erroneously listed under Whiting:

   CORNEULIUS WHITING
       Male

 Event(s):
       Birth:  05 JUL 1749    Killingly Twp, Windham, Connecticut
       Christening:
       Death:
       Burial:

 Parents:
       Father:  MATETHYAS WHITING
       Mother:  ALLIS

I conclude that any records for a Cornelius Whiting at this time period, and especially in this place, must refer to this Cornelius Whitney instead.

- Robert - Talk to me 10:13, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

Hi Tim - thanks for the pointing me in Al's direction. I stumbled across him last night and we have been in contact. Great web site - thanks

Odd Error

Tim:

I noticed that on Archive:The Whitney Family of Connecticut, page 698 at the bottom, the "Next Page" link is not working, and I can't figure out why. Can you?

- Robert L. Ward- Talk to me 12:15, 14 August 2007 (CDT)

DNA

Tim I am still learning how to use the wiki so may not have replied to your message about someone of Joshua's lineage contributing. I have since then completed a DNA test and the results are posted.

I also have some information about my lineage beyond what is in Pierce. How do I post it on the appropriate page?

Delbert Edward Whitney & Vernon Delbert Whitney heritage

Thank you for the information. I do not know how to find the web site that has this family heritage. Can you help me. I really appreciate it. Bobbie Whitney Van Meter

MA Tax Lists

Tim:

Those look very interesting. It would be even better if the microfilms were available locally, and/or were indexed. They could answer some of our questions about when heads of households died or moved from one location to another. They could be especially valuable for Maine, where many vital records are missing.

- Robert - Talk to me 12:24, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

Potentials for 1800

Tim:

I used TMG to create a list of possible heads of household for 1800 from my databases. I found a much longer list than the one on the web page. Most of them would be under the category "Probably dead". Many of them would also be on a similar list for 1790. As you have no doubt noticed, I have been creating family group records for some families that didn't already have one. My new list includes those and quite a few others. Obviously, I have a lot of work to do! Do you want me to add names to the web page for potentials in 1790/1800, and create their pages, even if they are probably dead?

- Robert L. Ward - Talk to me 21:05, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

I have added to the web page the names beginning with A from my list. You see that there are several, and may extrapolate to the other letters of the alphabet.

- Robert L. Ward - Talk to me 18:09, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

Census Identification Project

Tim:

Yes, it's worthwhile. If nothing else, we are finding and correcting lots of errors in the indexes and in the "original" images which might baffle other researchers. It might be hard for someone to find Darling Whitney hiding among the Whiteman entries, Elnathan Whitney filed under Elenor, or Isaiah listed as Israel.

We are also tracing migrations of families from place to place. On this point, the more years we do this for, the more benefits to the web site and the users of it.

How shall we get transcriptions of the 1830 census?

- Robert - Talk to me 18:33, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

1800 Census, Boston, MA

Tim:

FYI: The 1800 Census of Boston no longer exists. We'll have missed some folks living there. Also parts of Rockingham and Strafford Cos., NH, are gone, and York Co., ME, is incomplete.

- Robert - Talk to me 13:21, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Thanks Tim for the edit tips...it looks much better now.

Carol

Uploading photos

I have tried to add photo to photo list but don't seem to be able to do so...the photo is in my edits section...Help

1771 Tax List

Tim:

I found on-line the preface to The Massachusetts Tax Valuation List of 1771. Among other things, it reveals that roughly half of the list is lost. Apparently Watertown was among the lost part. Obviously any people who "should" appear and don't may have been on other parts no longer extant.

I tried hard to capture alternate spellings of the surname, except I didn't mess with the Whitings. This was a computer typeface, so I didn't have to read the handwriting, but the transcribers did. Furthermore, if the "originals" were actually copies, as we found with the census, there is a further chance for error.

I was gratified to find my Gershom⁴ Whitney in Ware, MA, and learned much about his household. His father Joshua³ must have died just before the list was made, but his widow doesn't appear. Apparently he disposed of his estate earlier, and she was living with relatives, possibly Gershom himself.

- Robert - Talk to me 06:28, 31 August 2007 (CDT)

Doctor John

Tim:

It is obvious that Dr. John⁴ Whitney moved around a lot. All is as I believe to be correct, with the exception of his son Nathaniel⁵. See Archive:NEHGR, Volume 79 for him. The date of marriage and the dates of birth and baptism of the other children make it hard to place him among them. I suppose it's possible that Dr. John either had two wives at the same time, one in Eastham and one in Nantucket/York, or else he fathered a child out of wedlock by Margaret, and then married her later. Another possibility is that Seth, of whom we have no further record beyond his birth, was renamed Nathaniel. Another possibility is that the guardianship record is faulty, and got the name of the younger son wrong.

I don't know how to reconcile the records. I tried to fit Nathaniel in in 1744, but that's obviously a problem.

- Robert - Talk to me - 06:48, 31 August 2007 (CDT)

1771 Tax List, II

Tim:

Good job on the tax list! I did try to identify the missing 1771 men:

• "Two men named Charles." Got them.
• "Three men named John." Got the one in Gorham, ME. The two nonresidents could be anyone from, say, Watertown. I actually have five different candidates for these two, and no way to tell which they might be.
• "Three men named Moses. Note that the Moses in Gorham could be either of two men." Got the one in New Salem. The one in Gorham I believe I have right. The other was probably in Falmouth in 1771. The Chesterfield man seems to be young, but I can't place him, although I have a few candidates.
• "Three men named Samuel." Got them.
• "Two individuals with no name (-----)." I really can't figure out how to identify these. Probably there's a better chance with the widow from Boston, but still not good.

As for me, I have finished the 1800 Census Potential Heads list, and am also faced with many unidentified entries in that census. I am still working on them, but there will be quite a few that I won't know.

- Robert - Talk to me 19:49, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

Page Moves

Tim:

Your idea of using a bot to do this kind of work is excellent. Recall that sometimes more than one link to the same page can be found on one page, so your bot should take that into account.

- Robert - Talk to me 09:07, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

It should also remove the line from the renamed page which calls the rename template.

- Robert - Talk to me 13:16, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

Jabez Whitney of Orange

Tim:

My guess is that the "Ly" Whitney from the Jones Cemetery is a reading of "[SAL]LY" Whitney on a broken or eroded gravestone. That doesn't explain the census records, but there are many alternative explanations of those.

- Robert - Talk to me 10:34, 5 September 2007 (CDT)

Sally versus Ly

Tim:

The fact that the town record of death and the cemetery record from her stone differ by exactly 1 year and 1 day makes me believe that the two refer to the same event, with recording variations. I oppose splitting the two. You could add a section under "Notes" explaining the alternate theories. I would not oppose that.

- Robert - Talk to me 10:55, 5 September 2007 (CDT)

Pierce Conversion Project

Tim:

I see that there are two files with that as part of the title which have a huge number of links each. I have had to patrol many edits made on them by the Rename Bot, to no apparent benefit. Since the project is over, and the only other pages that link to this group are your and my User_talk pages, it seems we could delete them. Alternatively, we could edit them severely, cutting down drastically on the links to Family pages. Thoughts?

- Robert - Talk to me 14:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)

Hello Cousin

So far I have been able to trace my Whitney lineage to Zachariah, but not sure how he ties in exactly to John Whitney. I don't have a lot of information on my Whitney side as of yet, although I am sure I'll find more. I've been doing my family tree for almost a year now and still on the Gove side...which is on my mother's father's side. Have done almost nothing on my father's side, or my mother's mother's side of the family yet! It's quite a long, exhaustive, but utterly fascinating and fun process! I'm hoping to learn all I can. Rick

Very cool....I just noticed that about the same time that your second message came in. That is so very fascinating! Every time I find out something new I get even more excited. Thanks for pointing it out to me!

Descendant List

Tim:

The idea is interesting, but I foresee a problem. On what pages would you put (for example) your name? You put it only on Erastus's page, but you could have put it on all the pages for your direct ancestors.

If you did that, John¹ Whitney's page would have a very long list. That would be bad, in my opinion.

If you didn't do that, you'd have to make an executive decision on which pages to put your name and which not. I don't think that that's something a bot could do, so a person would have to be involved in every such decision. That makes the work prohibitive.

- Robert - Talk to me 14:46, 10 September 2007 (CDT)

Samuel of Woodbury

Tim:

Phoenix, p. 84, places Samuel Whitney of Woodbury, who m. Sarah -----, as a child of Elijah and Rebecca (Seymour) Whitney, and a descendant of Henry¹. Sandiford places him as a child of Enoch and Thankful (Parke) Whitney, and a descendant of John¹. I have no information which corroborates or contradicts either theory. How should we handle this?

- Robert - Talk to me 18:11, 11 September 2007 (CDT)

Census

Hi Tim - I've changed my state to Ohio. Glad I got the message as I'm on my way to the library, WVU has ancestry.library edition, I'm going to use that to generate my list and will then use Heritage Quest to retrieve info. You can zap Iowa. Thanks much.

Carol

Robot

I'm using Internet Explorer. I added an extra line between the individual in 1880 Census Extract, Alabama and that separated the individuals again. Before, they were all appearing on one very long line that wrapped around. --Andaleen 16:26, 13 September 2007 (CDT)

Disambiguation Pages

Tim:

I notice on Wikipedia they make use of "disambiguation pages", especially for various people with the same name. That could be a good idea for us, I think, because we have so many groups of people with the same name. Suppose I'm looking for a Samuel Whitney, but I don't know his birth and death years. If I could go to a disambiguation page named "Samuel Whitney", and there find a list of all the ones we know, with links to the appropriate family group records, this could be very useful. Each entry on that page could give a little more information on the individual to help the selection process. We could cross-reference nicknames, e.g., the page for "Mary Whitney" could say "See also Molly Whitney and Polly Whitney," and vice versa. Thoughts?

- Robert - Talk to me 08:19, 15 September 2007 (CDT)

Children Without Their Own Pages

Tim:

It seems to me, that if you can generate the disambiguation pages automatically, you could also program a bot to do the following:

1. Go through the whole Family: namespace, picking out pages of Whitney males.
2. On each page, look for a table immediately following a line beginning with "Child of " or "Children of ".
3. Collect the names of children from the table, ignoring those whose names are links.
4. Collect the name of the child and the name of the page on which it appears.
5. Create a line of the form "* Whitney, XXXXX, child of [[Family:Whitney, XXXXX (XXXX-XXXX)|Whitney, XXXXX (XXXX-XXXX)]]".
6. Sort the list by given name, then by birth year of the father.
7. Append the names to the disambiguation pages.

Perhaps you don't want to do this. Perhaps some variant of the above would be better.

Thoughts?

- Robert - Talk to me 17:46, 16 September 2007 (CDT)

data

Hi Tim - I have posted some 1830 Ohio census records....it doesn't quite look like it should. If you give me some hints I will edit the page so that it appears as it should. Thanks much.

Carol

Two Asa Whitneys

Tim:

I have been trying to place the Asa Whitney who appears in the 1800 Census at Lisle, Tioga Co., NY. His age is over 45, so he must have been born before 1755. There are three such persons of which I am aware who are reasonable candidates, all of the fifth generation from John¹:

1. Family:Whitney, Asa (1743-1803)
2. Family:Whitney, Asa (1745-a1810)
3. Asa, son of Enoch Whitney, b. 10 Jul 1742, Preston, CT.

I concur with the identification of the first. It is the second who I believe is confused with the third.

Number 2 was born in Killingly, and we find him in the censuses of 1790, 1800, and 1810 in Killingly. The fact that his children were allegedly born in Cornwall seems anomalous. I think Number 2 remained in Killingly, married, and had children born there, but not recorded.

Number 3 was born in Preston, but when he was young, his father moved to Kent. His brothers lived in Washington and Warren, CT. All these places are in Litchfield Co., as is Cornwall. I think it was Number 3 who married Abigail Brownson and had the two children in Cornwall.

Furthermore, it must have been Number 3 who appears in Lisle in 1800, since Number 2 and Number 1 are both accounted for.

Do you concur?

- Robert - Talk to me 19:27, 16 September 2007 (CDT)

Pierce Errors Continuing

Tim:

I add to the Pierce Errors page whenever I find an error that I can document. Of the two confused Asa Whitney individuals, Enoch's son was completely missed by Pierce. Matthias's son already has a correction attached to his name, but I need to fix that since it really applies to Enoch's son.

I was aware of my former e-mail message, which applies, but is not helpful in straightening out the lineages. Thanks for mentioning it, however. I also found on-line a history of Triangle, NY, which says that Asa Whitney was one of the early settlers there. This must be the one in Lisle in 1800. He's there in 1820, but I can't find him in 1810. It may be that Lisle is missing from the 1810 schedules, since I can't find anyone in that Town.

On checking for this possibility, I found the following book: The Census Book, by William Dollarhide. It explains about the copying, recopying, and loss of various census record groups. I found it enlightening.

By the way, this is an example of something we discovered because of the Census Identification Project.

- Robert - Talk to me 21:14, 16 September 2007 (CDT)

Hi Tim - Whew, I've had quite a time trying to get the correct spacing between individuals....hope you can help. I have stopped editing so you can do your thing. Thanks.

Carol

Census

Hi Tim - I see you've completed your edit. Now I can't seem to find a way to add spaces between the individuals! Should I recopy my info from word? I'm also going back to the library to look up the three individuals in bold, the pages didn't copy or aren't readable in Heritage Quest. I'm also signing up to do Pennsylvania. Thanks. Carol

Census

Internet Explorer...not sure what version.

Fixing Broken Links

Tim:

You may have noticed that I have been trying to fix a lot of broken links. I found a page with which I cannot deal, and which contains several: Template talk:Divbox. Can you help?

- Robert - Talk to me 13:59, 17 September 2007 (CDT)

Josiah Corrections?

Tim:

I was looking at the Lancaster Vital Records, and found the marriage of Elisabeth Whetney and Josiah Whetney on 24 Apr 1733. Very soon thereafter, I visited the page of Isaiah Whitney, and saw that he married one Elizabeth Whitney "about 1733", and had first child born 23 Jan 1733/4, almost exactly nine months later.

Is there any reason to doubt that the marriage record is in error, and the groom wasn't Josiah, but Isaiah?

There is also a problem with Josiah Whitney "late of Dedham" marrying Elizabeth Grant. It seems that this is another error, this time in the Weston vital records. The groom was actually Josiah³ Whiting, born 30 May 1701, Dedham, MA, son of Samuel² and Sarah (Metcalf) Whiting [Nathaniel¹]. They had seven children recorded in Weston, including two recorded as "Whitney" and five as "Whiting".

Do you agree, and should I go ahead with making appropriate changes?

- Robert - Talk to me 22:36, 17 September 2007 (CDT)

Dublin, NH, and Stamford, VT

Tim:

I can't identify any of the Whitneys you list in Dublin. The only Bascom Whitney I know of was only 11 years old at the time of this warning-out. It could be an otherwise unknown uncle of him, but otherwise I'm clueless.

Are you going to add the extracts from the history book to our Extracts?

Yes, Isaac of Stamford could well be who you suggest, but I have nothing to add to the discussion.

- Robert - Talk to me 07:47, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

Isaac (again)

Tim:

Sure, go ahead. Also explain the logic behind the connection, please.

- Robert - Talk to me 08:25, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

Samuel of Halifax Co., NC, 1790

Tim:

User:Tara_767 left me this message: User_talk:Rlward#1790_Census. We don't have a page for either him or his father, I believe. See, however, Michael Ray Whitney's page about him.

- Robert - Talk to me 19:25, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

Family Pages

Tim,

I tried to go in and correct the date formatting errors I had made, but it looks like you have already changed most of them. Thank you.

Trouble with Patrolling

Tim:

I can't patrol this file: Archive:1880 Census Index, Illinois. I don't know what the problem might be.

- Robert - Talk to me 18:26, 23 September 2007 (CDT)

I have a plethora...

of information regarding the William Whitney line in Louisiana. I'm sure you noticed that I'm not what one could consider "well versed" at adding it to this site (grin). Cynthia Daigle, a distant cousin of mine by marriage, also forwarded an email sometime back that stated:

email excerpt from Alicia, July 2006 my Dad who is 93 in Oct. submitted his DNA to a group that has a data pool. The results : we are related to the John & Elenor Whitney from Mass. It still leaves about 100 years to get to them........our broken link is Ky.

I phoned Patricia Whitney Gravois today in the hope that she has the missing marraige certificate information for William Whitney and Sara Compton, but from what I understand William's parents weren't listed anyway.

If I were to take the time to put all of the South Lousiana Records by Father Hebert, as well as the family information that I have "from family", would you like me to send it to you? That way you can enter it into this website much more quickly, and much more professionally than I. If no, no biggie, I'll get around to doing it in an effort to lend a hand to others, but I feel fairly certain you'll be traipsing along behind me, cleaning up my messes.

Thank you for assisting in the creation of this site. While it didn't help me, as others apparently haven't gotten past the same brick wall, it certainly "will" help when, if ever, we figure out that missing century.

Chris Jarvis

Census

How do you go in and add to the 1830 Census Indexes? I have added data, but is there a template to make the data look uniform? Thanks.

Tara

"Missing" Templates

Tim:

I think your templates such as "Missing1790" could all be combined into a one template called, say, "Missing", and make it such that you pass the year YYYY as a parameter, and it creates the string

"* YYYY: not found."

Then you would just call {{Missing|1790}} for example.

- Robert - Talk to me 12:39, 28 September 2007 (CDT)

Genealogy.DunnNet.com

I had to smile. The page you directed me to with William John & Sarah Ellen (Yazel) Whitney. Yep. I've seen it many many times. William went by the name John and they were my GG Grandparents and my Grandmother was a Whitney. The web site is my own :) Thanks for the try though. I appreciate that people are checking it out and hopefully gaining some insight to their own research. I spend a large percentage of my time in census records and that was one of the reasons i dropped by here today. Thanks again. and Happy Hunting. Herb Dunn

Martha/Matilda

Tim,

Jeanne and I have been discussing this issue. All census records that we are able to find show Matilda to be Martha. We have not been able to locate Martha Red, but it may be possible that Martha Red and Martha Buckhalter are the same Martha. I am still working on it. I will re-check the sources and let you know. Thank you for reminding me to check on it.

Tara_767

Martha/Matilda

Tim,

I have checked census records with Wyley Buckhalter, note spelling, of Barnwell 1850 and she is listed as Martha. They do have a daughter named Matilda and it is very likely that the census taker could have been confused and noted her as Martha instead of Matilda. It could also be possible that both Marthas exist and one is the daughter of Macon and the other may be the daughter of Malcolm. At this point I will really need to check other documentation to be sure. Thanks.

tara_767

changing username/login

Hello Tim,

Thank you for the welcome and it would be grand if you could match my username to the page. I have average computer skills so sometimes don't know what I'm doing.

Thank you for your help, Lisbeth

you wrote.....

Welcome to the site!

I see that you tried to move one of your pages to make it look better. Since these pages are ties to your username here, they have to stay the same. I can, however, change your username/login here to match that if you'd like.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 15:31, 1 October 2007 (CDT)

Dates

These are census dates. The marriage dates came from Ancestry. Thanks.

tara_767

Hiram

Tim,

I have not finished editing Hiram yet. There will be several more pages that will be added before I am finished. I just got tired last night before I finished. I'll add the rest tonight. Thanks.

tara_767

Introduction Page Error, etc.

Tim:

At the bottom of Discussion Forum - User Introductions there is a link labeled "Introduce Yourself!". Clicking on it gives a blank page. This must be an error.

Also I have found three pages which need content:

• WRG:Privacy policy
• WRG:General disclaimer
• Archive:Whitney and Clifford Manuscript, 316

- Robert - Talk to me 15:30, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

Fred

Tim:

I can't identify him. The vital records of Boston 1810-1840 are no longer extant, which makes it difficult, and he's not in Pierce, nor in FamilySearch.org. My best guess is that, since his second son was named Henry, he might be one of the three sons under 10 of Henry Whitney in the 1820 Census of Boston, 9th ward. Of course, I don't know who that Henry was, either!

Did you see this web page?

- Robert - Talk to me 08:39, 12 October 2007 (CDT)

Thomas of Maryland

Tim,

I have not seen this family before. In Kentucky there are several men who are considered "Clothiers" by occupation so that is something to look into, but as of right now, I am not familiar with this gentleman.

Tara_767

New Wiki

Tim:

Have you seen this?

http://www.familysearchwiki.org/

- Robert - Talk to me 12:27, 17 October 2007 (CDT)

Hi Tim:

I'm new to this Whitney clan and just signed on. I have a question about DNA testing as there appear to be many different firms performing this...

I have been working a bit with the organizer of this page: http://www.foskett-genealogy.co.uk/ and she arranged for my Foskett cousin to submit DNA to dnaheritage.com

I'm wondering if you have surveyed the various companies. Who are the leaders. If dnaheritage is a bit player I suspect it's possible that DNA submitted with one firm might not match up with dna that appears in a larger firm's database.

Thanks. tombrown 'at' yahoo.com

Hi Tim - Looked at some of the 1830 census project states that have been completed, I see there is some inconsistency. I am making mine three lines long, because I have found some variations in the names, I am using the second line to clarify those differences. I see someone numbered the Kentucky folks and there is a header in one of the states I did. Because I am doing my lists in a word document and then copying to WRG I can make changes, if necessary, to previous records. I just posted New Hampshire, would you mind taking a peek to see if it looks okay? Thanks much.

Carol

Nameless Children

Tim:

I agree: (son), (daughter), or (child). I assume a bot can do the changes.

- Robert - Talk to me 17:59, 29 October 2007 (CDT)

Total Whitneys

Tim:

One should be able to combine the data from How many Whitneys? with fertility and life expectancy data, and come up with a figure for total number of Whitneys in a given window of time (say 1600-1900). I don't know where to obtain such data. I call to your attention to this interesting web site: How many people have ever lived? Keyfitz's calculation updated. The assumptions there are quite wrong, partly because life spans have increased during the time frame in question, but such a technique could be the start of such an investigation.

- Robert - Talk to me 05:33, 30 October 2007 (CDT)

Access Issue

Tim:

I think the access issue had to do with trying to patrol the changes you made to User:Tdoyle/Sandbox18. Attempting to do that seems to have hung my browser, due to its large size. Killing the window and starting over, and using the procedure you suggested for patrolling large pages was successful in both the patrolling and the un-hanging of the browser. I'll have to keep that in mind next time!

- Robert - Talk to me 05:37, 30 October 2007 (CDT)

Big Census Extracts

Tim:

I agree that breaking the page up is a good idea. With 775 households in Massachusetts in 1860, including 275 in Worcester County alone, it really is too big. I'll proceed along those lines now.

- Robert - Talk to me 14:55, 4 November 2007 (CST)

Liz Fleming's Whitney family

Thank you very much. This is incredibly helpful. I printed everything up so I can enjoy it at home tonight after work. (I don't have a computer at home). My ancestors are definitely Henry and Fanny Miller Whitney and Charles Whitney and Malvina Orr. I have information from the Whitney Bible at home and they are all mentioned in it. Do you think anyone would be interested in knowing about our line from Ada Whitney to present? I have a lot of that information. Thanks again for your help. Everything about these people--who they were and what they did is fascinating to me. Liz

Family Info

That would be fine. I can bring my information to work next week and transcribe it. I am not very computer literate. Is there a special format or is it ok to just send it to you via this route? I also got to meet my mom's cousin, Ralph Whitney in September and he sent me additional information about the descendants of Dora Wurst Whitney and and Ora Ralph Whitney. Thanks again! Liz

Census Index

Tim:

There are two ways to organize the census pages: by year, and by location. We could actually do both.

• On the main page, list the years, with links to year pages, and the locations, with links to location pages.
• On each year page, list the locations for that year (and the potential heads, where appropriate), with links. There should be links to the next and the previous years.
• On each location page, list the years for that location, with links. There could be links to neighboring locations.
• Have a page for each year and each location, with links to the index and the extracts. There could be links to next and previous years for that location, and neighboring locations for that year.
• As now, the index pages are linked to the extract pages, the extract pages to the family group records and vice versa.

Thoughts?

- Robert - Talk to me 11:41, 11 November 2007 (CST)

Census Reorganization

Tim:

We could get rid of the grid, or we could keep it if you like it. If we kept it, each grid entry should be a link not to the census index page, but to the location/year page.

I'm not sure how we should handle the breadcrumbs for pages which properly belong to two parents.

- Robert - Talk to me 21:32, 11 November 2007 (CST)

Samuel of Jamaica, VT

Tim:

Your analysis is excellent. I have a candidate for Samuel Whitney of Jamaica, VT: check out Family:Whitney, Aaron (1734-a1791), who lived in Jamaica. Notice Samuel named a son Aaron, too.

This looks like another error in Pierce.

- Robert - Talk to me 22:09, 13 November 2007 (CST)

James Whitney m. Lura Johnson

Tim:

I've been looking at Family:Whitney, James (1811-1856), and Archive:Wrentham, Massachusetts, Vital Records. What do you think about identifying the two Jameses, at least tentatively, even though their birth dates differ by two days? Benjamin who m. Hepzibah Moore was said to have settled in New York (see Family:Whitney, James (1755-1800)), but I haven't been able to pinpoint his location there.

Both of James's sons I found in the 1880 Census, but both left father's birthplace blank! His daughter Mary I didn't find.

- Robert - Talk to me 15:43, 17 November 2007 (CST)

Duplicates on "Wanted Pages"

Tim:

I went to "Special Pages" and then "Wanted Pages". I found several duplicates on that list, to my surprise. For example, I found

  315. Family:Whitney, Anna (1730-1785) ‎(2 links)
 1007. Family:Whitney, Anna (1730-1785) ‎(2 links)

There were quite a few others, too. This seems like a bug to me.

- Robert - Talk to me 17:57, 18 November 2007 (CST)

Samuel of Maugerville

Tim:

See: <http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/whitney/2001-02/0981345948>. Apparently Pierce is wrong again. By the way "Maugerville" is pronounced as if it were "Majorville".

- Robert - Talk to me 12:40, 21 November 2007 (CST)

Great!

Just going through my old geneology book to create our page! Don't worry, I'll go back through and update the gaps, I just want to get it done before family come over for thanksgiving!

thanks

I deleted my personal information, but do you prefer to have living persons pages completely erased? I really don't mind if my lineage is shown to the public.

How does it look?

How does it look? I have somemore updates that I will recieve from my grandmother tomorrow and I will continue to update it over the break.

Patrol Edit

Tim:

The removed material was restored by this edit: [1]. Thanks for your vigilance, however!

- Robert - Talk to me 14:02, 26 November 2007 (CST)

Merging FGR Format Pages

Tim:

I've attempted to merge Family Group Page Format Standards into Family Group Record Format. Please review my attempt carefully, and make any changes you think appropriate. When you are satisfied, please delete the former, redirecting links from it to the latter.

Actually, the page is over-long, and begs to be split into four: the example, the general formats, the specific items, and using the form or the templates.

I especially wish that there were a simpler, more direct way of using the two templates. I know we had such a way with one of them before the form was created.

- Robert - Talk to me 07:05, 3 December 2007 (CST)

James Whitney of Moriah, NY

Tim:

I definitely agree that we have a match with James, son of Benjamin and Hepzibah (Moore) Whitney and James, with wife Susan (not Lura) Johnson. Go ahead and take out the tentative language on both pages, and in the Notes section explain the logic of the identification.

- Robert - Talk to me 05:24, 5 December 2007 (CST)

Samuel of Seneca, NY

Tim:

I fixed the baptism location. Here is another candidate for him. See Family:Whitney, Joshua (1754-a1794). This one is more closely approximating his estimated age, and we don't know a whole lot about Joshua's family.

- Robert - Talk to me 15:56, 8 December 2007 (CST)

Ads.

Tim,

I can't help much with this. Those minutes are too abbreviated for me to reconstruct what matters they refer to. Your guess is as good as mine.

I did find this page: http://www.historiccourtrecords.org/extracts.stm#remarks. It says that "ads." means "adverse". I don't know what this implies. Perhaps it is an action where each party sues the other, as opposed to versus, where one sues the other.

- Robert - Talk to me 10:55, 19 December 2007 (CST)

1810 Progress

Tim,

I've reached the end of the 1810 part of the Census Identification Project. I am disappointed at the number of unidentified census entries, and the number of missing households expected to appear. Any assistance you can offer would be most welcome.

- Robert - Talk to me 17:53, 22 December 2007 (CST)

New to WRG

Hi Tim, My name is Patty Whitney and I am going by the user name Patty Whitney Gravois. Just wanted to check in and say hello. You really have done a wonderful job with this site. I've been lurking for years. I'm trying to find Chris Jarvis, who has written to you before. She called me a few months ago but her phone number was accidentally deleted from my answering machine before I could get it down. I've been trying to find her email on the site but am having trouble doing so. Would you be so kind as to notify her that I am trying to reach her and would she please re-call me in Louisiana or email me? Thank you. Patty.

Sandys Tribe

Tim:

There is no apostrophe in Sandys Tribe, Bermuda.

- Robert - Talk to me 12:29, 1 January 2008 (CST)

James Whitney from Wales

Hi Tim Thanks for your info and speedy reply. I'm new at this so I hope my page looks OK. I have a few questions from your census information: How did you connect James with David? Was it via John? There is a David Whitney for 1841 and another for 1871, they don't have the same children listed and Louisa age does not match up ... I'm a little confused here. Is there a way I can find out what happened to Ernest brothers? (Harold, Arthur and John). Again thank you for your reply the info has been a great gain in connecting our Whitney tree. --Whitner 18:21, 10 January 2008 (CST)

Mary Whitney Children

Tim:

Check out the name disambiguation page Mary Whitney. There is only one child Mary Whitney without her own page! This has got to be wrong. I'm looking for a Mary Whitney born 1785, of which there should be some candidates.

- Robert - Talk to me 07:32, 8 January 2008 (CST)

Search Question

Tim:

How would one search for a widow Mary (-----) Whitney, born 1785, who remarried in 1845? I can't think of any useful way to proceed.

- Robert - Talk to me 10:01, 9 January 2008 (CST)

Strays

Tim:

What do you think of making a page listing stray Whitney individuals whom we cannot connect to any others? That would make unnecessary a lot of pages without much information on them. Each entry could link to the source of the data. This would serve a similar function to our currently existing Most Wanted Whitneys pages. There are quite a few among the medieval Whitney families, but even more in the Massachusetts town vital records, and also in the 1800 and 1810 censuses. Thoughts?

- Robert - Talk to me 15:15, 10 January 2008 (CST)