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| − | Robert: I just realized that I had not given you 'sysop' or 'bureaucrat' rights on the wiki. Sysop rights allows you to delete pages and other administrative tasks. Bureaucrat status allows you to grant similar sysop and bureaucrat rights to other users. If you see pages which need to be deleted, you should now see a delete tab at the top of each page (you may need to log off and back on to see this). To rename a page, simply select the '''Move''' tab and type in the new name.
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| − | [[User_talk:Tdoyle|Tdoyle]] 09:01, 17 January 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Table converter ==
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| − | Robert: As you move data over, you might want to convert HTML-style tables to wik-style tables. You can copy the source to your clipboard, paste it on this website, and it will provide the modified source for you to place in our wiki. [http://www.uni-bonn.de/~manfear/html2wiki-tables.php#wiki Wiki Table Converter].
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| − | == Divbox feature ==
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| − | Robert: I have just added a new feature. We can decide to use it or not use it. In any case, it's there when and if we need it. Take a look at [[Template talk:Divbox]]. This basically gives us an easy way to add a colored box to any page.
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| − | Tim, [[User_talk:Tdoyle|Tdoyle]] 15:12, 19 January 2006 (CST)
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| − | == De Salis Fraud ==
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| − | Robert: I see that you've been adding N.B. sections and other comments on pages containing information that came from the De Salis fraud. I'm thinking that we may need to really let people know about this - in a stronger manner. Take a look at [[Archive:The Whitney Family of Connecticut, page xvi]] and you'll see the warning that I have added at the top. If you'd like to change the wording of this message, just edit [[Template:De Salis Fraud]].
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| − | Tim, [[User_talk:Tdoyle|Tdoyle]] 18:20, 21 January 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Warning ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | At the top of the page you are working on (with the N.B. at the top), try this instead of your current divbox:
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| − | :<nowiki>{{Warning|The information given here does contain some errors. Use with care!}} </nowiki>
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| − | Which will produce this:
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| − | {{Warning|The information given here does contain some errors. Use with care!}}
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| − | You can add any text that is appropriate and the image will always be displayed. We can upload a larger version of that image for this purpose if we think it'd be better visually. If you prefer, you can also stay with your current method.
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| − | Tim, [[User_talk:Tdoyle|Tdoyle]]
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| − | == Userboxes ==
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| − | Robert: Take a look at my user page, above my lineages. These are called ''userboxes'' and we can create them as we think of them. It's a great way to get people interested in working with their homepages, and telling others about themselves. I've created one for descendants of John & Henry, and we can add them for other immigrants or groups, locations that members currently live (countries or states), other interests, genealogical certifications, etc.
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| − | - [[User_talk:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] 09:18, 26 January 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Editing the Main Page ==
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| − | Robert: It looks as though you've already fixed the main page, but I suspect you may not realize it. On that page, I have the following:
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| − | <nowiki>===[[Miscellaneous]]===</nowiki><br>
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| − | * The first line is fairly simple - start a 3rd-level heading (the equal signs) and make the text be a link to the page named 'Miscellaneous'.
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| − | * The second line might be a bit confusing - it basically says go grab the contents of the page named 'Miscellaneous' and display them here, as if I had typed them here originally. That's what the <nowiki>{{ and }}</nowiki> characters do. This is how the templates work. By default, these curly braces look for the page you designate in the Template: namespace. Because I wanted to grab the Miscellaneous page from the main namespace, I had to put the : in front of it. In this way, we can display the contents of the Misc. page both on the Misc page as well as on the main page, and only have to edit it once. Why do we have to have it in both places? This goes back to that whole discussion many years ago where I was in favor of a simplified main page, but others wanted the descriptions. We can break this to make it easier to edit by placing the items on both pages, but we'll have to remember to edit both.
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| − | - [[User_talk:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] 21:13, 27 January 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Citations and Family template ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | The new citation functionality that I was looking into (and had mentioned on my list) turned out to be for a future, as yet unreleased version of the software running this site, and as such, we cannot yet use it. I propose we continue with the current method of citing sources. We can always re-examine this in the future if we choose to, but there's no reason to stop from moving forward now.
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| − | I have created a [[Family Group Record Format]] page where I have started to add style guidelines as well as a template format that we can use for the Family pages. Take a look at the discussion tab on that article as well - that's where I suggest we discuss issues in the Family namespace.
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| − | Thanks,
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| − | - [[User_talk:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] 08:50, 2 February 2006 (CST)
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| − | == GEDCOMs ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I have made great progress on getting the GEDCOM data on the wiki. Take a look at [[Special:Gedcom/n=Green&I2|John Whitney in Allan Green's database]] and let me know what you think. Keep in mind that this is a beta version, and that not all of the links presented on those pages work properly, but the links to other people do.
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| − | - [[User_talk:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] 09:59, 3 February 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Your database ==
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| − | Robert: Take a look at [[Special:Gedcom/n=Ward&I22|John Whitney in Robert Ward's database]]. I've noticed a few issues, but it's at least there.
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| − | - [[User_talk:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] 18:56, 3 February 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Phoenix Format ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | A few questions regarding the Phoenix import:
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| − | * Do ''all'' pages include the title you currently show at the top of the page?
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| − | * Do ''all'' pages include the title "Whitney Family" inside the box?
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | == Phoenix Format, part 2 ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I am soon going to take that sample page and start to extract certain repetitive formatting type information out into templates and add the calls to the templates in the page. This will simplify the pages themselves making for easier editing by users, and will put the formatting code in one area, so that if we decide to change it in the future, we can make the change in one place instead of thousands of individual pages. Your information about the headings is very helpful - now I know that I need to do it like I did the Pierce headings, sending in three parameters.
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| − | - [[User_talk:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] 11:07, 15 February 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Phoenix ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Take a look at the first page of the Phoenix Test located at [[Phoenix Test]]. As you can see, I pulled out all of the formatting code into templates, making the actual pages a lot more readable. Can you verify that the results look correct? Does this format make sense to you?
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| − | Thanks,
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] 08:48, 16 February 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Phoenix ==
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| − | Thank you - I think adding these templates really cleaned up the page and made it easier for editors to understand. It also reduces the chances for typos to throw the whole page out of whack. Feel free to change this page or the templates as desired. Although the test page will eventually be deleted, the templates are there to stay, so it's important that we fine tune them to get them right.
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| − | Are the center items ALWAYS italicized? If so, we can change the template to add that. If not, we'll need to change the call to the template to send in the italics when needed.
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| − | When pages start with a continuation of an entry, we can either just add a new entry and not pass any parameters to the template for the left and right columns, or we can create a new template called PhoenixEntryContinued and just pass the text for the middle section.
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| − | We should probably seperate out the horizontal rule and the title for the new family - so that we can call when needed. This will solve the issue of a page starting with a family group, but no horizontal line needed.
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| − | We should probably add a new template to start a new generation, and call it when needed.
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| − | I am going to go make these changes, but I'll probably need you to modify the contents of the generation template once I create it.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] 10:40, 16 February 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Excellent Progress! ==
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| − | You're making excellent progress! I've been very busy with work and haven't had a chance to really sit down and make much progress here other than a page here and there. I'm leaving for California this afternoon, returning Friday, so I probably won't make much progress here before next weekend.
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| − | I made a change last night and converted the page [[Archive:Whitney Whistler, Volume 1, Number 2]] that had been entered with <nowiki><pre></nowiki> to instead use <nowiki><p id="Plaintext"></nowiki>. This makes the page look like it's in a pre section, but allows the use of links. As we start to add links from these source material pages to the families, this will become important. No need to go back and convert all of these pages, but we'll need to keep this in mind as we start adding links. Also, this method is a bit fussier than the pre method. It allows the paragraph section to work, but it also opens up other things to start working as well. On this page, I had to 'fix' a line which started with a '#'.
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| − | I think I found a way to add my talk page to my signature - if so, you'll see it below.
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| − | Thanks,
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 07:33, 21 February 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Reverted edit on Thomas' page ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I saw your two edits and your rollback on the Thomas Whitney page. Were you aware that the rollback feature rolls back multiple edits of a single author? Both of your edits (the descriptive changes for the ancestry as well as the spacing changes were reverted. Was this what you were intending? If not, the bext way to roll back a single change like this is to go to the history page, select the date/time of the version that you want to keep, edit it, and save it. That will make that version the most recent version.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:05, 28 February 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Change to Pierce ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Take a look at this edit: [http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php?title=Archive:The_Descendants_of_John_Whitney%2C_page_160&curid=2079&diff=6652&oldid=3067&rcid=5410 Pierce Edit]. Deb Whitney has added a few dates to a section in Pierce. We obviously don't want to lose this information, but I also know that adding it to Pierce is the wrong thing to do. I plan to roll back this change, but where should we record her additions?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 14:55, 1 March 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Errors in Pierce (and elsewhere) ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I think the idea of adding a warning graphic is a good one. It took us a long time to figure out how to make a graphic image a link, and it's not pretty, but here's how to do it:
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| − | [http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Archive:The_Descendants_of_John_Whitney,_Errors#67-4 http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/images/2/2b/Danger.jpg]
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:33, 2 March 2006 (CST)
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| − | == A better way ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | How's this instead: {{PierceError|67-1}}
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| − | We can make a more generic one that can take a page name I think...
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 11:33, 2 March 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Printable Version ==
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| − | Blech! That's nasty! I think I know how to fix it though. If I remember correctly, the software has a 'template' for the printable version, so a few tweaks to that should solve things (I hope).
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 18:38, 2 March 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Henry Whitney ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I have added some information to the bottom of the page [[Archive:Henry Whitney's English Ancestry|Henry Whitney's English Ancestry]] and I thought you would be interested.
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| − | == Printable Version ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Thanks for reminding me about this. I have found where this is being generated, and it appears to be a one line change. I am now working to determine how best to fix it.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:10, 15 March 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Printable Version - Fixed ==
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| − | Robert: This has been solved. You may need to force a reload of the page to see the change.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:15, 15 March 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Templates & Under Construction ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I've noticed the new 'Under Construction' banner that you've been adding to the top of the page that you are currently working on. While my guess is that it's not that difficult to add and remove this from the page when you create and finish, I thought this might be a good time to explain a little more about templates. Templates are simply pages in the template namespace - that is - they start with "Template:". If you have content that you need to add to multiple pages, or content which you want to make easier to add to pages, then you can put this content in a template and then include that template on your page by adding <nowiki>{{TemplateName}}</nowiki> to your page(s).
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| − | For example... I just created a page named [[Template:Uc]] and placed in it the code that you have been adding to the top of your pages to mark them as being under construction. Now all you need to do is to add <nowiki>{{uc}}</nowiki> to the top of your page, which should be easier than typing or copying & pasting the full text.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 07:12, 16 March 2006 (CST)
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| − | == SLC Trip ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I got your messages and will look at the printable version issue again. I am currently making backups and will send additional information soon.
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| − | I am currently looking at the original Isleworth records and they are highly damaged at the bottom of the book. It is possible that the missing children and even perhaps John's marriage to Elinor are there, but we are unable to read the records.
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| − | I have made copies of many records and should have some great stuff to put up on the site.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 11:03, 21 March 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Elinor ==
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| − | Interesting... I've found two Elinors baptized during the right time period...
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| − | *31 (Nov?) 1597 Elinor Nichols daughter of (Henry?) Nichols
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| − | *2 Apr 1598 Elinor Baull daughter of Willyam Baull (Bull)
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 11:17, 21 March 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Bull / Baull ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I seem to remember something about a Bull / Baull woman in the information that Paul reed and I were corresponding about. Could you check the file that I sent to you and see what the name of the woman was that ran the inn that the Christopher Marlowe was killed in?
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| − | Thank you!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 11:52, 21 March 2006 (CST)
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| − | == A number of issues ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | This message is an attempt to catch up with a number of items that you have mentioned on my talk page...
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| − | * Why you don't need a template for Under Construction: I understand completely - sounds as though you have a great system that's working for you. I didn't want to imply that you ''should'' use a template for this, just wanted to make sure that you knew that you could.
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| − | * Backups: I am currently using the free software MySQL Administrator to back up the SQL databases containing our data. These backup files are then kept on my personal machine here. Since the WRG server is also in my home, the backups are not currently off-site, though I could certainly move them to some machine which is. I am also working to prepare a full system image of the server to reduce downtime should the server ever crash. In addition to the WRG databases, there would be a lot of additional infrastructure which would need to be set up in order to return the site to functionality. With an image, this would make all of that setup a breeze.
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| − | * Printable version: I think I made some improvements, and it's actually looking very good in Firefox, but now that I look at it in Explorer, I still see some issues. If you could describe exactly what you're seeing, that would help me to make sure I am not missing something.
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| − | * St. Mary Aldermary Changes: Thank you! With this format, there's no longer any questioning - everyone can see exactly what's in the register. Of course, this one only had 3 entries! The other ones will take a bit more to get in place, but I think it'll be worth it.
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| − | Now that you have had time to really use and to see the power of the wiki software, how well is it living up to your expectations and vision?
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 18:47, 27 March 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Isleworth Records ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I can confirm that the Isleworth parish registers, as early as 1573 and probably earlier, start the year on March 21st, not January 1st. Although the original records do not indicate "1575/6", they do have the year starting on 3/21. Because of this, the date is listed as 26 Feb 1575, but to us would be considered 26 Feb 1576. Thus, I think the date should properly be listed as "26 Feb 1575[/6]"
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:15, 28 March 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Replies to your Questions ==
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| − | === Importing Status ===
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| − | Congratulations on the completion of the projects you have been working on - we're making great progress! Phoenix is next for me, I just need to find an afternoon or evening that I can devote to writing and testing the conversion code for it.
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| − | As far as the photos go, they all need to be imported, but I noticed that several of them were very very large and need to be resized, and some need to be trimmed. Do you know how to do that?
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| − | === Unattached Families ===
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| − | Robert - How about adding categories with names such as "Unattached Families" or "Uncertain Identifications"? I'm not sure about the category names here, but I think categories would be a good way to go. I can then use the recentpages extension to automatically / dynamically display all pages with this category identification, so we'd have the best of both worlds.
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| − | === It Finally Happened! ===
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| − | Robert - regarding the case where two individuals of the same name also have the same birth and death information, you're right - we need a way to identify them further. My suggestion would be to either add "(of Gorham, ME)" and "(of Westminster and Fitchburg, MA)" or perhaps their spouse names. If additional information is obtained in the future to differentiate them, we can rename the pages to a more standardized name.
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| − | === Sources in Footnotes ===
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| − | Robert - I agree - I don't think that we should cite each and every source for an event on the family pages. Let's just cite the primary / best source(s). We should still link the other items to the family page, but we don't need to have reciprocal links for every case. We can always use the 'What links here' feature to find those other sources if needed.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:24, 11 April 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Moses Whitney ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I've noticed that sometimes you delete pages that have already been created for a given family. I didn't think much about it, but I see that you're currently updating the family of Moses Whitney, and I suspect that when you complete the links, that you will delete the page that I originally created. While this results in all of the links being correct, it completely erases the editing history of the pages before you created the page with the new name. This history could be valuable at some point in the future. I'm not sure if you are doing this because it is easier than renaming the existing page and then updating, or if you are just unaware of the 'correct' way to update the name of a page. Let me know your thoughts.
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 19:51, 11 April 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Renaming Pages ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Here's the scoop...
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| − | To effectively rename a page, simply click the '''move''' tab at the top, then type in the new name that you would like it to have. This moves (renames) the existing page, and all of the editing history is saved with the page. In addition, a new page is automatically created with the ''old'' page name, and this new page contains a redirect to the new page name. This means that all existing links to the old page name will get to the new page name without any problems.
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| − | Personally, I like to 'clean up' after I move/rename a page. To do this, I navigate to the redirect page that was created and then use the ''what links here'' feature to determine which pages are linking to the old name. After I update all of them to point to the new name, I simply delete the redirect page. Note that this step is optional - it is perfectly ok to just leave the redirect page in place.
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| − | I think it would be better to have redirect pages on the site rather than losing editing history.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:32, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Real User Names ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | There is no way to obtain a list of real user names via the Wiki interface, but I can obtain that by accessing the database directly. I've just emailed you the current list.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:23, 28 April 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == What Links here / Photos ==
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| − | Hi Robert:
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| − | Here's what's going on here....
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| − | If you click on the image, you are taken to the page which describes that picture. Look at the section at the bottom of the page. It lists the pages which link to the image (which is a valid list). When you select 'What Links Here', you're asking for the list of pages which link not to the picture, but to the page that describes the picture, and there are none currently. This may not appear to be correct at first, but once you understand that the picture and that page that describes it are not one and the same, it makes sense.
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| − | If my explanation doesn't make sense, please let me know.
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| − | Thanks,
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:43, 2 May 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == New Family Listing ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Take a look at [[Whitney Family Groups]] and let me know what you think of the new family listing. Also, take a look at the bottom of [[Archives]].
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:28, 3 May 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Locality Pages ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Thanks for the comments - I've been meaning to get these listings working and finally had the time to get the new extensions loaded.
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| − | Take a look at [[User:Tdoyle/Sandbox]] to see what else we can do with this functionality. I have basically called the 'RecentPages' extension and asked it to display all pages in the Family namespace with a category of Vermont, and then did the same thing for the archives. Imagine the possibilities! We could have a page for each State and perhaps even each county or location, though I wouldn't recommend setting all of those up yet. There may be a way that we can have just one page and allow the user to select which state they'd like to view.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 12:37, 3 May 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Listing of Pages ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Yes, it's basically the same functionality, but presented in a much better and more customizable fashion. Take a look at the [[:Category:Vermont]] page now. Note that you can link to a category page without actually adding the page you're placing the link on to that category by this syntax: <nowiki>[[:Category: Vermont]]</nowiki>.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 13:35, 3 May 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Locality Subcategory ==
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| − | Actually, the subcategory is something that I added just today (at least to the Vermont category page). I still have plans to add that to the new page, but I haven't been able to get it to work just yet. Have you played with subcategories before, or did you just see it there after I added it today?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 13:44, 3 May 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Pierce Error? ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | While importing the page [[Archive:Who were Calvin and Haynes Whitney]], I noticed that the Pierce page does not mention the potential problem. Should a note be added in Pierce?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 17:56, 6 May 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Census Indexes ==
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| − | I am currently just bringing over the old pages, but my plans include going back and doing additional searches to see if we have missed any. I've also noticed that we have duplicates in our indices, as well as other things such as tax records, etc. These can be great alternatives to missing tax records, but I think they need to be called out more prominently than they are currently. I think there's a whole project around updating the census pages, but right now I'm just working on getting what we have migrated over.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:03, 8 May 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == WRG-Robot ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | You may have seen in the Recent Changes logs that I have been experimenting with a 'bot' under the account [[User:WRG-Robot|WRG-Robot]]. This is simply a set of programs which can be run to do automated tasks on MediaWiki-based websites. For example, data placed into a text file with certain keywords to designate where each page starts, ends, and what the title should be for each can be quickly imported into multiple pages on the site. It can also add, change, or remove categories from pages, make edits to all or a set of pages, etc. In order to do these edits, we must identify a unique pattern for it to follow.
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| − | There's nothing that you have to do with this information, but if you find yourself doing repetitive work of any type that you think might be able to be automated, please let me know and we can discuss how and if we can accomplish it with much less effort.
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| − | This is half of the effort to get Phoenix imported. The next step will be to analyze the existing pages and convert them to the new format, and add the necessary start/stop/pagename tags.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:04, 16 May 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Family History ==
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| − | I'm not sure where this should be added to the family history page. Can you add for me?
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| − | John-1 WHITNEY, m. (1) Elinor -----
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| − | ..Richard-2 WHITNEY, m. Martha COLDHAM
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| − | ....Ebenezer-3 WHITNEY, m. Anna -----
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| − | ......Enoch-4 WHITNEY, m. Thankful PARKE
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| − | ........Hezekiah-5 WHITNEY, m. Olive KNIGHT
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| − | ..........Elisha-6 WHITNEY, m. Rachel FROST
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| − | ............Marshall Frost-7 WHITNEY, m. Huldah Roxanna WARNER
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| − | ..............Jason Frost-8 WHITNEY, m. Ellen Lucena TYLER
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| − | ................Andrew Clarence-9 WHITNEY, m. Amelia Newman PARRISH
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| − | ..................Ernest Frost-10 WHITNEY, m. Elizabeth Cargill BRUCE
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| − | ....................Marian Elizabeth-11 WHITNEY, m. Albert Edward DURRELL
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| − | ......................Albert Ernest DURRELL, m. Martha Helen BREIT
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| − | Thanks, Al Durrell
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| − | == Family History ==
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| − | Thanks! Al Durrell
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| − | == New Discussion Forum ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I've started a new discussion forum at [[Discussion Forum - Website Discussion]] so we can try our back and forth communications there. I have just started a discussion thread for the medieval family group pages which we have just started on today.
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 21:38, 18 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Whitneys of Whitney ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Did you see: [[Whitneys of Whitney]]?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:24, 23 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Photograph ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | What would you think about uploading your personal photograph from your professional site and including it on your user page?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 11:34, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Conversion ==
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| − | Getting closer! Take a look at this (long) page: [[User:Tdoyle/Sandbox2]].
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 19:53, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Pierce Sample ==
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| − | Thank you for the comments.
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| − | The pagenames and title have been corrected to the correct format (Family:Last, First (dates)).
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| − | Titles will be a problem as that's how Pierce has them. I'll have to see if I can pick them out one by one.
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| − | The huge narrative is one long paragraph, surprisingly!
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| − | Regarding the counties: Yes, it'll be much harder to add in the counties. Also, what county shoudl I add - the county att he time of the event, or the current-day county?
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| − | Some of the locations have issues, including the "St." instance that you cited. More work is needed here, but there will be undoubtedly some manual cleanup needed.
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| − | Here is my current list of issues to be dealt with:
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| − | # Place categories don't always work
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| − | # Add generation superscripts where needed
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| − | # Indent children of female children
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| − | # Hyphenation not always working
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| − | # SubjectName can sometimes be a link to an error page
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| − | # Sometimes periods after abbreviations can indicate the end of sentence too
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| − | # Wives name(s) need bolding
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| − | # Add Childrens' surnames
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| − | # Done, but some errors - Pagename needs to be Family:Last, First (dates)
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| − | # Weird Family at the top of the output file
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| − | == Two Columns of Children ==
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| − | Yes, I remember that from the original transcription project, and saw it on one of my passes through the current results. It'll have to be a hand-edit situation.
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| − | I have now perfected the pagenames - designations are gone as are several other defects in my original routines.
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| − | It's getting closer!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:11, 27 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Regarding your comments ==
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| − | Titles are done, but they weren't easy - took me several hours this am to get them right. I dealt with titles with periods and names with periods (Wm., middle initials, etc.); titles without periods; titles such as "Ph. D."; improper formatting; improper spelling (Witney, Whtney); and the links to the error page.
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| − | You said "I have been changing these links, adding the word "[NOTE]" ... I'll get started right away on finishing that job." I guess I should mention that I am using the files originally imported to the wiki, not the current versions. Obtaining the current versions is possible, but would add another potentially time-consuming project to my list. I had envisioned needing to manually go through the Error page so that adjustments could be made to these family pages (rather than just linking to an explanation). Thoughts?
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| − | You said "The surname is ALWAYS Whitney." - not true, see [[Archive:The Descendants of John Whitney, page 575#P6123|ALBERT APPLETON (WHITNEY) FAY]] as one of a couple of examples.
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| − | Regarding the email you just received - there have been many, many changes since then. Would you like a fresh one so you're not reporting things that have already been fixed?
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| − | Regarding the counties: I'll have to think on this one a bit.
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:27, 27 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == More Pierce ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I've just emailed a new names file with corrected date ranges. I found several defects int he way I was parsing them before.
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| − | Footnotes in the original - we'll probably have to correct these manually. It is likely that by the time I reach a footnote that I have already completed and saved the family they are referring to. There aren't too many of these, are there?
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| − | Child's name is a link - I'll look into this. Do you have an example?
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| − | De-hyphenation not working well - watch to see if you are only seeing this problem in the parent text, only in the children text, or both. Please send examples of problem areas.
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 18:43, 27 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == More Pierce ==
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| − | How about just deleting footnotes entirely? - '''Done.'''
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| − | Child's name is a link:
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| − | :The two examples you cited are having problems due to the link to the error page. If I remove the link, it should work fine, but the link (and all other links to errors in the children section) will be gone. If I let it go as-is, we have an obvious issue which we would need to deal with manually.
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| − | De-hyphenation:
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| − | :These problems are also caused by the links to the error page. In a 'normal' non-link situation, I am looking for a dash at the end of a line, and then I merge it with the following line. In cases such as these, I would need to recognize the links, find the dash inside the text of the link, try to merge it with the next line, but that has a link too, so I would then need to compare the two links to see if they're going to the same place and if so work to combine the text of the two links into one large link. As you can see, this would be difficult, subject to bugs, and probably more trouble than just manually fixing the issues post-import.
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| − | See Joseph3 Whitney (1651-1702) [John2, John1], end of children. There two children are somehow conflated.
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| − | : This error is caused by the fact that a link to the errors page has been added to the roman numeral, causing my pattern matching to fail. Do you remember if you have added many such links on the roman numerals such as this, or can we safely fix this after the import?
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| − | Same Ruth4 Whitney as above, her narrative seems to be messed up somehow.
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| − | : I will look into this one.
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| − | Thank you for looking at these! Anythign we find now will save us time later, though we will need to balance the effort now (in the code) vs. the effort later (manual fixes) as I have done here. Let me know if you feel that any of the above shuld be fixed pre-import.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:27, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Ruth ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I've found the defect that caused Ruth's section to be broken into two. I thought I'd show you the power and complexity of one small line in the program I am writing.
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| − | Here is the offending line that caused the problem:
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| − | if ( /\s{2,5}\d{1,4}\.\s+(\w+).\s+(.*)/ ) {
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| − | It basically says, if we find two to five spaces, followed by one to four numbers, followed by a period, followed by one or more spaces, followed by one or more alphanumeric characters (such as roman numerals), followed by a period, followed by one or more spaces, followed by anything else, then do something (the commands for which are not listed here).
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| − | This is basically looking for the children start lines in the form:
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| − | <pre> 2371. x. PAUL, b. Mar. 28,...</pre>
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| − | There are two defects in this command, one which caused Ruth's problem, and another which I have just noticed while typing this explanation.
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| − | The line that caused the problem did so becaused it matched when it shouldn't have.
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| − | <pre> 1690. He was dismissed from Watertown in the church at Wor-</pre>
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| − | Now there are certainly more than two to five spaces before we reach the one to four numbers here, but that's the defect - I didn't tell it that the match had to start at the beginning of the line! Once I did that, all of the children stopped working. I then realized that 2-5 spaces was a guess, and now I was expecting accuracy, so I changed the command to:
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| − | if ( /^\s{4,7}\d{1,4}\.\s+(\w+).\s+(.*)/ ) {
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| − | What's the last defect? The period after the roman numerals isn't 'escaped', so instead of matching a period, it is matching any character at all. This defect also played into Ruth's problem. The final pattern matching scheme is therefore:
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| − | Powerful, but complex, isn't it!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:46, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Indented Children ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Take a look at [[User:Tdoyle/Sandbox3]]. Was this what you were looking for for indenting the children of the daughters?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:38, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Remaining Issues ==
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| − | Good morning Robert!
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| − | Thank you for the additional abbreviations - I'll add them right away.
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| − | Yes, Sandbox4 is discouraging. The number in front C1, etc. is the number in Pierce and is what my program is using as an index. If you or Andaleen could update the links with good, valid links to the correct person (while leaving the index), that would really really help. I started to try to do this in Excel by exporting both that list as well as all of the current family pages, but I'm getting confused as to who is who. I think the bext way would just be a walk through the pages, grabbing each link. This list could be pulled off the site into a text file for easier changes perhaps and then put back when complete. Is this something that you or Andaleen could help with? If not, I'll get to it.
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| − | I was pulling my hair out with the wives last night. In order to include the wives on the 'Children of' line and in order to bold them, I have to identify them in the text. In order to do that, I have to narrow down my range using a starting point (after 'married') and an ending point. I'm having difficulties with the ending points, and all sorts of men that the Whitneys did business with, etc. are currently being seen as 'wives'. I then thought I could use a period as my end marker, which worked in 75% of the cases, but failed in others. When I investigated, I found that some dates had not been properly converted and still contained periods. This was because the date spanned from one line to the next. When I tried to move the date conversion from a point in the program when lines had not yet been joined together to a point after they had, the program failed as a certain combination of text in the combined string was breaking the parser. I'm going to give that issue another shot this morning, but if I can't fix it, I may just revert and give up on grabbing and bolding the wives.
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| − | Other remaining issue is the counties, which I have not yet looked into.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 07:23, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Status ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Here's what I am currently thinking... We have a holiday weekend approaching. My birthday is on the 4th, and I have about 50 guests coming this Saturday as well as a few out-of-town guests. I would really like to get these pages imported today, or I may not get back to them for a while. With that in mind, I am seriously considering putting on hold the date issue, the wife bolding issue, and the locality (county) issues. I can deal with these later, using the robot approach, and these can be done without being intertwined with the current effort.
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| − | That means that the only thing left to do is to update the 5 generation links on sandbox4. I have started to organize these to make it easier to update the links and have started to go through each section. If you edit just a section instead of the whole page, we're less likely to step on each other.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:17, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Ready? ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I finished going through sandbox4 and all items are blue or have been marked as having not yet been created. I've also accounted for a number of individuals who I've adjusted parentage for, though I did not do an exhaustive search. As far as I know, I am ready to go when you say you're ready.
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| − | I can send another sample output file if you'd like, or I can just go.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 20:05, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == It's Running ==
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| − | I've just started the program. As soon as it finishes, I'll trim out the first 5 generations (saving them in case we want to add in those few that are missing). Once that is done, I'll start up the TA Robot!
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| − | Oh - as far as the conglomeration goes, I think I'll have to just leave that for manual/robot cleaning I think.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 21:10, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == First Batch ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I've uploaded the first 36 families. If you look in the Recent Changes list, some of them won't show until you hit the 'show bots' link. I set the WRG-Robot account to 'bot' status halfway through. Start reviewing and if you see a major issue, contact me.
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | Tim
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| − | == Dates ==
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| − | That happens because the dates are split between lines in the original. I attempted to fix, but that caused more problems than it was worth. I can always have the bot clean that up afterwards.
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| − | It's going fast, isn't it!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 21:37, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Oooollllddd ==
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| − | Take a look at the end of the last paragraph - it says he died in that year, but apparently is referring to someone else.
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| − | The program stops when it hits a page which already exists. When that happens, I am making note of the page on Sandbox4 so we can manually merge later.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 21:50, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Andaleen ==
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| − | Does Andaleen know about this project? We should probably let her know so she doesn't have to import any more of these, or at least knows to merge and not create.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 21:57, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Duplicate Page Names overwriting ==
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| − | Good catch!
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| − | I'm going to keep going, but I can later generate a list of these problems and go back and correct them.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 22:16, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Uploading ==
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| − | Well, the upload has now completed! I'm heading off to bed, and I asume you're no longer around either. I need to review where we're at and what I need to do to fix the page overwrite issue, so please do not move any pages yet (that will complicate any fix I might come up with). If you want to jump in to something, all of the 5 generation pages need to be linked to the newly created 6th generation pages.
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| − | I'll also figure out which 5 gen pages I should upload and do that in the morning as well.
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| − | Thanks Robert! Great teamwork!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 23:33, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Pierce Import Issues ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Please see [[Pierce Conversion Project]]. I have programatically scanned the file created by my program and have identified all of the duplicate page names. I've also created sections for the issues which you have identified. Let's add the issues that we find here. Once we identify issues, I will investigate to find a cause, which will hopefully lead to a solution. Then I can determine if a robot or manual fix is appropriate.
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:34, 30 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Mass Edits ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Although this approach probably won't work for your current 'Sewing Together' project, I wanted to alert you to something that I think the bot can do rather easily, and I would like to try it at some point.
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| − | Let's say you have a pattern that you would like to change - for example, someone's lineage was imported incorrectly, and we need to modify it for each of that person's descendants. Let's say John Whitney had been imported and his lineage on all of his descendant's pages incorrectly listed his father as Moses instead of Isaiah.
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| − | We could say that we wanted to replace each instance of this:
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| − | :<pre><nowiki>[[Family:Whitney, John (1698-1765)|John]]<sup>4</sup>, [[Family:Whitney, Isaiah (1671-1712)|Isaiah]]<sup>3</sup>, [[Family:Whitney, Thomas (1627-1719)|Thomas]]<sup>2</sup>,</nowiki></pre>
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| − | with this:
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| − | :<pre><nowiki>[[Family:Whitney, John (1698-1765)|John]]<sup>4</sup>, [[Family:Whitney, Moses (1655-a1729)|Moses]]<sup>3</sup>, [[Family:Whitney, Richard (1624-a1691)|Richard]]<sup>2</sup>, </nowiki></pre>
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| − | Running that conversion across all Family pages should catch and correct all of his descendant's pages. The next time you identify something like this, please let me know. I'd like to try it to see how well it works. This could be a big time-saver.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:24, 4 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Pierce Project Page Collisions ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | It looks as though at some point we collided with each other on the Pierce Project page edits and the Misc. Section was deleted. With heavy multi-user edits, the following pointers will help to prevent this:
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| − | # If you edit a section of the page and the incorrect section is displayed in the edit window, back up, refresh the page, and try again.
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| − | # If you attempt to save and a message is displayed indicating that there has been an edit conflict, be very very careful and read the message that is displayed. If you save at that point, one of the edits will be overwritten.
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| − | Thanks! It looks like we're making great progress!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:58, 5 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Misc ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | The comments at the top of the recently imported pages are an artifact of the import process. Although they do not show up on the displayed page, they are unnecessary and might confuse people who edit these pages in the future. As I edit pages, I have been trying to remember to remove these comments. Feel free to do so as well.
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| − | :<nowiki><!-- '''Family:Whitney, James (1816-1889)''' --></nowiki>
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| − | It looks as though quite a few of our lineage break issues are a result of the alpha ID numbers. It's too bad I didn't think of this before we imported - could have saved us a lot of work!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:48, 6 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Further Annoyances ==
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| − | I can only imagine the painstaking process that Pierce had to go through to put his book together - gathering the data, putting it together manually, creating a numbering system as additional information arrived by mail, causing him to have to decide whether to start over or to squeeze in the new information using these alternate numbering schemes. Although an annoyance, I suppose we should be happy that we can so easily change things on-the-fly.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:17, 6 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Location Categories ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I am beginning to think about how I will handle the location categories using a bot. Here's what I am thinking:
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| − | * Load an array of locations (based upon your geographic index)
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| − | * Loop through all Family pages
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| − | ** Load the current page
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| − | ** Locate all existing catagories on the page, store them in a list, and remove them from the page contents.
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| − | ** PERHAPS: Loop through all locations in the master array to see if any others exist which weren't caught in the import
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| − | ** PERHAPS: Somehow catch locations that have two words, such as 'Lake Placid' and fix them in the list
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| − | ** Loop through all categories in the list
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| − | *** Look up location in the array of locations
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| − | *** Remove existing category from the list and add in the new one (which includes the county)
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| − | *** Add the county category
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| − | ** Sort all categories in the list
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| − | ** Add list of new categories to the bottom of the page
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| − | ** Save the page
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| − | While doing this, I could also remove the comment lines. I'd rather not make a full pass of edits just for the comments - each edit makes the database larger, so combining such edits will keep our database size down.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:27, 6 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Census Records on Family Group pages ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I am starting to think about how we could facilitate the identification / linking of census records to the family pages. We could just include references to the various enumerations within the text of the family, and that would be the traditional route. However, it seems as though that would be difficult to visually see who had been identified, what was left to be identified, etc. Take a look at [[User:Tdoyle/Sandbox2]] to see one suggestion of how we might handle this. Adding this section with appropriate census years to be identified could be handled via the bot and then populated manually.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:51, 6 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Mass Changes ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I have just completed the following mass changes using the bot:
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| − | * "Chas. " -> "Charles "
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| − | * "Fred'k " -> "Frederick "
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| − | * "Fred'K " -> "Frederick "
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| − | * "Geo. " -> "George "
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| − | * "Jas. " -> "James "
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| − | * "Jos. " -> "Joseph "
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| − | * "Thos. " -> "Thomas "
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| − | * "Wm. " -> "William "
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| − | * "WM. " -> "William "
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| − | If you find any other such abbreviations, please let me know and I will correct them as well. If you find any issues with the above, please let me know.
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 07:09, 7 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Auto Lineage Corrections ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Go to recent changes and select 'Show bot edits'. See the recent edits there correcting the links to Joshua? This is so much faster than manually fixing such issues. Feel free to send me any such change requests. Also, did you notice Mike Poston created a page for Jabez Whitney? Woo hooo!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:06, 7 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Pierce Places ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I have now generated a proposed list of places to be converted on the family pages and have placed it on [[Pierce Conversion Project - Place List]]. Please review this list and let me know if you see any issues.
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| − | Note that I do intend to add category links to the "county, state" as well as the "city, county, state".
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:35, 9 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Places ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | If there are any changes which would be solved more easily by making a programmatical change and re-running the script I wrote to create the page, then any changes you've made to that page would be lost. At some point, when we've ironed out any major issues, then editing that page would be appropriate. Feel free to add comments at the top of that page through for any items found.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:47, 9 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Whitneys of Clifford ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | While putting together a page for the [[Whitneys of Clifford]], I think I have stumbled across a piece of information that lends substantial backing to the thought that John Whitney of Gorsington, head of the Clifford branch, was indeed John Whitney, second son of [[Family:Whitney, Robert (c1436-a1492)|Robert Whitney of Whitney]]. See the [[Whitneys of Clifford#Origin|Origin]] section for details. I'm interested in your feedback.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 11:58, 9 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == James Whitney ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Could you check out [[Family:Whitney, Isaac (1770-1817)]]? According to Pierce, the son James was born in Middlesex Co., NY and d.s.p. 1847. However, he is currently linked to a James Watkins Whitney, b. Italy, NY, son of Fisher Whitney. This doesn't appear to be a correct identification.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 20:14, 11 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | Never mind - I've figured it out. On p. 241 of Pierce, James Watkins Whitney was given the number 1713 in error. He should be number 1714. An error in 1895....
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| − | == Upgrades ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I wanted to give some background on a few upgrades to the website that I plan to make:
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| − | * <s>Upgrade from MediaWiki version 1.5.4 (outdated) to 1.5.8</s> - COMPLETE
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| − | * Upgrade from MediaWiki v1.5.8 to v1.6.8 (major underlying database change, first attempt at this ran into problems, attempting to work out now)
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| − | * Upgrade from MediaWiki v1.6.8 to v1.7.1 - May or may not do this at this time. Might give us additional features, but the 1.7 branch is fairly new and may still contain defects.
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| − | * Install new CreateArticle extension, which could allow us to implement templates for adding extracts for census families, etc.
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| − | Nothing that you need to do, other than to watch for and follow the red site notices at the top of the pages.
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 11:43, 15 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Enhanced Capabilities ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I have been working on some advanced capabilities to make it much easier for new users to create family group pages. Instead of dropping them into an editing form full of strange formatting characters, I envision presenting them with a form to fill out. They enter the information and then click a button to save it, and a properly formatted family page is generated.
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| − | Although it is still far from polished, I do have a working prototype. Take a look at [[User:Tdoyle/Sandbox3]] and try filling it out. When you click the Submit button, you are then shown an edit screen with all of the data you entered filled in. In this way you can see how it works without saving dummy pages on the site. If you look at the contents of [[User:Tdoyle/Sandbox3]], you will see that it is simply an HTML style form, which we can format any way we'd like. When the submit button is selected, it sends the information to a new page/routine called Special:CreateArticle, the code for which I installed yesterday. This code loads up a template, in this case [[Template:Family Starter]], and simply plugs the information in. We can adjust [[Template:Family Starter]] in any way we'd like as well. We can use this same feature to allow users to input other data as well, such as census extracts, etc. I am going to continue to tweak and improve this, but would be interested in any comments you might have.
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:36, 16 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Blank White page using form creation page ==
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| − | That's what happens when a program ends unexpectedly - it doesn't return any results whatsoever. Hmmm... something obviously wrong there. I just tried it and it worked fine. Try going back to the page, pressing Ctrl-F5 to reload the page (to make sure you have the latest), then trying again. Try with just minimal information entered at first. Please let me know what you find.
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 13:44, 16 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Form ==
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| − | Glad to hear it worked! I've corrected Sandbox3 so it now includes the Family: prefix. As far as the question marks go, I will perhaps be able to enter such defaults, but I'm not sure how yet - I'll havw to think about that. My goal here is to provide a method so novice users can enter their family data and create pages which are 90% correctly formatted. Advanced users (you, me, Andaleen) would then go in and properly link in the ancestors, provide general cleanup, etc. We can make improvements along the way, but I know we'll never be 100%
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 13:56, 16 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Page Names ==
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| − | Ah - I understand and agree completely!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 14:08, 16 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Isaac Amsden Whitney ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | [[Archive:WRG Photo 15]] shows a photograph of Isaac Amsden Whitney with the lineage stated as Isaac Amsden6 Whitney (Capt. Jonathan5, Jonathan4, Jonathan3, Benjamin2, John1). However, [[Family:Whitney, Isaac Amsden (1805-1876)]] states his lineage as Isaac Amsden7 Whitney (Ami6, Jonathan5, Jonathan4, Jonathan3, Benjamin2, John1). Are these two different people? Was there a mistake made in adding the lineage to the photograph? Was some new piece of data known that corrects Pierce's stated lineage?
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| − | Also, I noticed that although Isaac was linked to his father Ami's page, Ami's page was not linked to his. Ami is in the 6th generation and his page was created by Andaleen. Perhaps we missed similar cases when weaving together the families.
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| − | Thanks,
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:12, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Trip to Boston ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I am scheduled to go to Boston from 8/3 to 8/7 to attend the [http://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimania 2006 Conference], an annual event related to MediaWiki technology. I am contemplating extending my stay for a day or two to visit the [http://www.newenglandancestors.org/ NEHGS]. If I were to do this, is there anything pressing that you would like for me to obtain while there?
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 12:53, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Whitney Count ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Thank you for the "to-do" list. That will really help me to be productive in Boston!
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| − | I have started a small little project for fun which you, being a retired mathematician, may find interesting (or you may just tell me that I am way off on this one!) Take a look at [[How many Whitneys?]] I have extracted counts of Whitneys in census records as well as by meticulously counting the number of individuals in the early U.S. history through our family pages. At some point this manual counting method will stop and hopefully we'll have some mathematical way of determining approximate counts. My numbers in red are based upon very rudimentary mathematics, so please feel free to adjust. These numbers may help us in determining how 'complete' our family group pages actually are. Comments welcome.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 18:34, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Captain James ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | It looks as though we're both editing this family. You just saved <nowiki>[[Family:Whitney, James (s1745-a1830)]]</nowiki> about the same time that I moved the page to [[Family:Whitney, James (1745-1830)]]. It appears we have two pages now.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:18, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == How Many Whitneys ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I took the existing data from the count of how many Whitneys there were in the early years (based upon known family growth data) as well as from later years (from census information) and fed it into a statistical tool called Minitab. Using this, I was able to find a fitted line using quadratic regression using the logten of the population numbers. This resulted in a formula which fits the known data fairly well - S=0.0359676 and R-Sq(adj) of 99.9% Using this formula, I have plotted the known population data in blue and the statistical data in red. I have provided both a standard graph as well as a logarithmic scale graph to demonstrate how well this predictive model fits the known population data. Unless you see a glaring example of what I have done here, I'll add the predicted population numbers to my table and mark them as such.
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:00, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | [[Image:WhCount.jpg]]
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| − | == Curve Fit ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Thank you. I am now trying to adjust my formula to use the actual year instead of an index number (1=1640, etc.) so that it makes a little more sense, and I am having what I believe to be precision issues in the formula that Minitab is reporting to me. I have contacted my Six Sigma Black Belt instructor who happens to be a statistician to help with this. Once I have this, I plan to post the formula on my [[How many Whitneys?]] page.
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| − | I have thought about the 1790 exercise. I want to do two things with this project. First, Make sure our indexes are correct, have all spelling variants, include the population counts, etc. Then I want to link to the families so we can verify we have everyone in both places. This was exactly what I started in Rhode Island which led to the two new family groups yesterday. If that keeps happening, it'll be a slow progressing project! I am planning to do this with the Ancestry databases, but if you want to do it with HQ as well, that'll only improve the accuracy. I'm not sure it's worth the duplicated effort though, especially with as many other projects as you currently have going.
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| − | As far as the category changes go, if you have a pattern such as "Castle, New York" to "Seneca Castle, New York", I can easily do this with the bot. I do not yet have code written to do more complex things, such as adding a second category tag for the county, state. Let me know if you'd like the bot to be put to use. For example, I can easily change all of the 1.'s to *'s in the reference.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:19, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == African American Whitneys ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Yes, I figured that out shortly after I wrote it as I started to trace Belden Whitney through the census records back to 1830, but I haven't changed the wording yet. I'm not sure what the answers are to your other questions. This is a new area for me and I am learning as I go. With 3.5% of all US Whitneys in 1870 being African American, I thought it was time we at least started a page or two to help researchers in this area. I'm sure my current efforts will morph into something much better over time.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 17:47, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == New Family Creation Page ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I've been working on my new extension to create a Family Group page. I now have the issue of the long URLS fixed, and am set up to be able to fine-tune the output based upon data not being entered in certain fields. I also still have to change a few things for security reasons. I've enhanced the formatting of the input page as well. Take a look at [[Create a Family Group Page]] and let me know what you think.
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| − | Good to have you back - I was beginning to wonder if you had gone on vacation or had been sick.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 14:04, 30 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Location Categories, IV ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Excellent to hear that you've finished the categories project! Great work! As far as the Canadian counties, I can't say that I am leaning either way. I've done no Canadian research, so I really don't know if this is common or not. I think the province name is sufficient, but perhaps we should ask some Canadian researchers for their opinions here.
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| − | I've noticed that my new [[Create a Family Group Page]] is working, but has issues as well. I've managed to lock down the security issue with allowing raw html on any page (we can only add it to the MediaWiki: namespace now, and only sysops can edit this namespace. The save routine is currently saving with the user's IP address instead of their username, and is allowing saves by people who are not logged in. This I need to fix quickly. Once I get that done, I plan to add additional logic to ensure basic information fields (subject first & last names) are entered, and will try to clean up the output when certain fields are not populated.
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| − | Once we get this working properly, we can then add additional entry forms. Imagine standardized entry forms for census extracts, etc.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 07:11, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Master Place List ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | If I remember correctly, we're going to use that list for the bot to verify / update the location categories. Since that list was originally generated from your original Pierce place list, and because most (all?) of your hand edits were to correct problems with the original script, I would think that most of your changes would not need to be added to this page. I would review it to verify that the before / after examples there are what you would want the bot to do.
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| − | Thanks for the comment about the trip. I leave tomorrow for Boston, have the Wiki conference Fri-Sun, and will be doing research Mon & Tues, returning Wed. I'll have my laptop with me and the hotel has high-speed access, so I should be able to continue to monitor the WRG site. My partner will be here at the house and can help out if we have any larger issues (such as restarting the server in the event of a power outage).
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| − | I updated my [[Create a Family Group Page]] routines this morning to 1) prevent new pages from being saved if a user is not logged in, 2) Ensure the subject's first and last name fields are populated, and 3) Set the birth/death year fields to "?" if they are left blank. I am sure we'll have more such customizations as time goes on.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:20, 2 August 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == : Family:Whitney, Henry M. (1843-? ==
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| − | Hello Robert -
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| − | I took a look and YES I recall discussion that Josiah Dwight is a cousin so I suspect you are correct about this. i am working on my family to get them to write it all down for me and then we can put it in here.
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| − | Already, putting the info up online has produced good results, as someone who was trying to get in touch with us has been able to make contact.
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| − | Is there a format with which I can submit to you which would be useful in filling in blanks?
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| − | Thanks,
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| − | Joanna Whitney
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| − | == Removing a User ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | The basic answer to this is "do not delete users". This causes issues with the underlying database, especially if these users have edited or added any pages. The software does not support this action, and everything I have read says don't do it. One capability that I ''can'' add faily easily is the ability to rename accounts. If someone initially registered with thei full email address, for example, and didn't realize how public it would be, I could change that for them. I'll have to install a new extension to make thia happen.
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| − | Having a good time here in Boston at the wiki conference. I'll be able to start my researh Monday.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 14:44, 5 August 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == NEHGS ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I am here at the NEHGS Library in Boston. I copied the Paxton & Plymouth vitals (though it looks like we already had them extracted). No Whitneys in Raynham. The 1798 Direct Tax is online, so I'll do that when I get home. I photocopied ME records for Hancock, Penobscot (none), Washington (none), and York. I also went through the list of ME probate records you gave me. I have not done any military records.
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| − | I spoke with Gary Boyd Roberts. Did you know he mentioned your Thomas Whitney theory in a book he recently published?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 12:36, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Create a Family Form ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | The form is currently in a state where it works, but it is fairly 'dumb'. It takes the information you entered and just replaces it into the template and creates the page. This is why you are seeing ten children (no more, no less), the gender is fixed, etc. Think of this as a "working proof-of-concept". Even with these limitations, I think it's now much easier to add a new family than it was previously, but yes, the results do need tweaking after creation.
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| − | How can we improve it? Well, here are some ideas:
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| − | ** Checkbox to include child? What if you forgot to check it - all data would be lost.
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| − | ** Check all fields for input data - if any (other than surname) are filled in, output the child.
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| − | ** Ask the user how many children in the family and dynamically modify the input screen - much more difficult to implement.
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| − | All of these will require me to dedicate some brainstorming and programming time to come up with solutions. These are all ideas that I have been thinking about, but it's a matter of prioritization.
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| − | I'm not sure if you saw, but I started to transcribe the Hancock Co. vitals this morning. Not sure if there's anything new in there or not though.
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 07:10, 10 August 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Recent Changes Omission ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I haven't figured out exactly why things sometimes don't appear in the Recent Changes page, but I have noticed that as well. Take a look at the [[Special:Log]] page and you should see all of the changes that are things other than edits.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 13:18, 20 August 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Polly (Holland) Whitney ==
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| − | I don't know if I am doing this right - here is a reply to a message you left me. I viewed this after submitting and had to add the contact info after the fact.
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| − | On 23 June 2006 you left a message about Mary "Polly" Holland a descendant of John Howland, "Mayflower" passenger. I have looked at the archive and would like additional details. As you can see it has been over 2 months since I have logged in - I don't spend much time lately on family history, but the interest is still there. I'm hesitant to post my database since it is mostly a collection from others and it has not been verified. I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to clean it up - it seems like an insurmountable task.
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| − | - [[User:MacDeWhit|Darrel Whitney]] - [[User talk:MacDeWhit|Talk to me]] 10:53, 2 September 2006 (PDT)
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| − | == Email ==
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| − | Robert: I just sent you an email re: Reed.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 18:44, 9 September 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Email ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Check your email for a message I sent regarding an exciting discovery...
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 21:18, 11 September 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Whose page? ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | This is a very curious case indeed! I have not responded until now because I did not have a good answer, and I'm still not sure that I have one. My suggestion would be to create three pages, one for each of the Whitney descendants. On these pages, list the relative information, children, marriages, etc. I would then add a note indicating that husband Moses Blood also had other wives, and list the links to their pages as well. Since our primary objective is to list the families from the Whitney perspective, I would not feel obligated to provide a page with all of the particulars of Moses Blood.
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| − | == Submitted Page ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | What should we do with this page, created by another member: [[Jonathan Whitney Will]]?
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| − | Thanks,
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| − | Tim
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| − | == 5th Generation Done - Next Projects ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Congratulations on finishing the 5th generation! That was a lot of work for both you and Andaleen and it really makes our website all the better!
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| − | Here are a few ideas that I have had for additional projects:
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| − | # Medieval / early English Whitney families
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| − | # Research immigrant families to other countries. I've recently done a bot of searching and have made contact with an Australian Whtiney family. I also found Whitneys in South Africa.
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| − | # Create archive pages for the military extracts that Ken Whitney has been posting to the mailing list.
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| − | # Trace families from key locations in England from the 1841 census down through the last available census in an attempt to locate living male line descendants who could join our DNA study.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:17, 21 September 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Clifford and Whitney MSS No. 38 ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I found this on the web this morning: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~roseana/lease1614.htm
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:59, 22 September 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Whitney Line ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Very interesting! I'll see what I can dig up. I found an interesting entry dated 5 July 1608: "Maria, wife of Thomas Whitney, said that T[homas Tenant] had given her husband a pea-sized pill for a mild heat, which had caused excessive vomiting and purging for 3 days and death soon after. T had charged 6s. for the pill. John Fulces corroborated this." on the [http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=17854&strquery=whitney British History Online website].
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| − | This site [http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online] has 71 records containing "Whitney"!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 16:13, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Robert Whitney ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Your current thinking is that our immigrant John Whitney's father, Thomas Whitney was the son of a Robert Whitney, a second son of that name in the family of James and Blanche (Milbourne) Whitney. As I was charting out the early Whitney lineage due to your earlier comment, a though occured to me. I started to think about the family of [[Family:Whitney, Robert (c1436-a1492)|Robert Whitney]]. I see that he has a younger son named Robert who you estimate was born perhaps about 1473 and who we have no further knowledge of. Now we know that this Robert Whitney had two wives, Constance Touchet and Alice Vaughn. Imagine if his second wife was younger than he was, and imagine a son born when he was quite old. Now if he died while this younger son was still a minor, and if his wife had died as well, wouldn't his eldest son typically then raise his much younger brother? This would mean that [[Family:Whitney, James (s1466-1500)|James and Blanche (Milbourne) Whitney]] could have ended up raising a young brother of his. What if your theorized second son Robert was actually the much younger brother of James? This could have led to some of the later generations being confused as to parentage and thus the confusion with the various claims of descent. Even if his younger brother Robert was older than the son Robert, he and his line would not have inherited.
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| − | Thoughts? There are probably problems with this idea that I just can't see at this point.
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 17:29, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Another interesting article ==
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| − | [http://www.castles99.ukprint.com/Essays/winforton.html Examination of an 'Earthwork' at Winforton]:
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| − | :The Clifford grant was augmented, probably earlier rather than later in the period 1230 to 1264, by Robert Whitney, lord of Whitney, who granted to Friar Walter the hermit in the Isle upon Wye, all the land with the wood standing on it which lay between the land of 'Domini Eustachii de Stowe' and the wood of Lord Walter Muscegros, to be held by the said Walter (the hermit) and his successors for ever. Although it is not certain which Walter Muscegros is meant, the inference must be that it is the older Walter, who was married to Evet as this grant complements that of the elder Walter's. Therefore both grants would appear to date to the period 1230 to 1234. This grant of Robert's may have been a confirmation, or expansion of an earlier one dated to the wide period 1230 to 1300 whereby Robert Whitney, gave to St Cynidr and Friar Stephen, and his successors in the hermitage, nine acres of land in the old 'Hay, which lay near the land of his brother Eustace 'parson of Pencombe' and the wood of the lord of Winforton, and the Lord Llywelyn ap Llywelyn ab Einion. This grant was afterwards confirmed by Sir Eustace Whitney, Robert's successor.
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| − | == The Entail ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | It seems as though [[The Entail of Sir James Whitney of Whitney]] only suggests that Thomas Whitney of Castleton and his brother Richard Whitney were less closely related than Thomas Whitney of Clyro (who is perhaps a son or grandson of Watkin Whitney of Clyro) and more closely related than James, Frances, and Eustace Whitney (who we think are third cousins through John Whitney of Gorsington. This does not rule out the younger Robert Whitney as also being a son of Robert Whitney as long as he is older than John of Gorsington.
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| − | Am I still missing something?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 19:49, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Flourished ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | My choices would be either "Family:Whitney, Geoffrey (fl. 1552)", or "Family:Whitney, Geoffrey (?-a1552)". Either of those is fine with me, though I wouldn't have a problem if you used either of the other two examples either. I would say that if we find a record in 1850 with a Whitney that we can't place, we may not want to create hundreds of such group sheets. However, for the early period (medieval) where we have such scant information, this seems to be much more appropriate.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 15:27, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Robert Whitney's Wives ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Could you review [[Family:Whitney, Robert (c1436-a1492)]]? It appears that the order in which we have Robert marrying his two wives, as well as which mothered which of his children is not in agreement with the quotes from Mellville.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:43, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Private area on WRG ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I believe that I have succeeded in creating an area on WRG that only sysops can view. Since only you and I are sysops, this effectively gives us a location in which we can collaborate without others seeing what we are working on. Take a look at [[Private:Article]]. View it when you are logged in, and then log out and attempt to view it again. Will this work? Should we give it a try? We'd probably have to manually enter Adrian's suggestions as you 'approved' of them.
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| − | Thanks,
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:38, 10 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Article ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | If you add headings around sections of your article, we can then both edit using the section edit links and have a much less chance of stepping on each other. When we finish, we can remove the section headings. I can add these sections if you'd like, as long as I know you're not currently editing the article.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 12:35, 10 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Chart ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I see you're creating a chart in the article. Did you see the chart that I have already created, a little further down?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:47, 11 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Alfred of Marlborough ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | You previously stated that "Alured" was actually Alfred. I now can see how that happened. As you may know, the letters 'u' and 'v' were interchangeable. With that in mind, Alured = Alvred = Alfred. This was probably something that was instantly clear to you, but it took me a while to understand. I'll update his page appropriately.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 15:21, 11 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Cambridge ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | See [[Archive:Cambridge University Alumni]]. I'm not sure where we should link this.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:40, 13 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == How to make plaintext small ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Take a look at [[User:Tdoyle/Sandbox5]]. On this page, I have surrounded the text with a div with an ID of "Lineages". That in itself doesn't change the formatting - it just sets the identification of that division. The 'magic' happens when the Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) are applied. First, the default style sheet information for the skin that a user has set in their preferences is applied. The default is a skin called Monobook, but this can be changed. I have designed the site for use with Monobook however. If Monobook is the skin being used, then after the default CSS is applied, the system loads 'extra' formatting information found on the wiki page located at [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]]. This is where all of our custom formatting is located, and it really makes it easy to change formatting on the system. After this, the system checks for a custom personal CSS that each user can set for themselves. I have not advertised to anyone that they can do this, and I would be surprised if anyone is.
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| − | Look at [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] and about halfway down, you'll see the formatting code for things of ID "Lineages as follows:
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| − | This basically says if you display anything with an ID of Lineages, do it in a monospace font (so columns will align) and do it at 90% font size. You could just copy that and add a new set of commands to display at 80%, 75%, or whatever font size you wanted. You could set the font color, or change any other attributes that way too. Call it something other than Lineages - perhaps "RobertFormat" and then simply ID your div section appropriately.
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| − | I think that using div id="Lineages" will work for you, but I wanted to give you a little bit of an understanding of what that actually does, and how you can harness that power yourself. At the very least, knowing that the system supports this, you can ask me to set something up for you now that you know if can be done.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 16:48, 14 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Small text ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I think you're almost there. You might need to make sure that each line starts with a space in order with it to all work as desired.
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| − | == Small text ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Note that the correct format is <div id="Lineages"> not <div "Lineages">
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 18:13, 14 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Footnotes smaller ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | If you are trying to make the footnotes smaller, use a font size of -2, not 2.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 18:15, 14 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Font Size ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I believe font sizes start with a default size of 1 and larger numbers make it bigger, smaller numbers make it smaller. I see that on the introductory page you were also using font sizes of 5 and such. It could be that the font size of 2 was just smaller than the text in a size of 5. On the other page, you're starting with a default size of 1 and wanting to make the footnotes smaller, so a -1 or -2 would be needed.
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| − | I am heading out for the remainder of the evening. Please reveiw the changes that I made to the article.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 18:29, 14 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Problem with File ==
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| − | I noticed the issue and have been thinking about how to solve it. It's now fixed. I went to another image page, hovered my cursor above the delete tab and wrote down the syntax of the delete link, then substituted in the name of your page. Typing that directly in as an URL allowed me to delete the existing page (after I had downloaded the image). I then reduced the size of the file and uploaded successfully. Then I uploaded the original file and had the same problem, so we know it's related to the size of the file. I then shrunk the file down just a bit, uploaded, and it worked.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:48, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I'm watching as you upload and delete the images. I'm wondering if it's something in the format that whatever program you're using to create the images is creating rather than the size. If you could email me one of the images that you have uploaded and know to be a problem, I can look at it.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:55, 21 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == New User ==
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| − | In case you missed it, take a look at the new user [[User:Egwhite]] and their lineage. They descend from the Norton Canon branch that I added to the site as part of my Herefordshire research! It appears that this branch emigrated to Australia and/or the U.S.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 18:33, 30 October 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Transcription ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | The image and transcription at [[Archive:Hereford CRO, Elizabeth Jones alias Whitney, 1601]] do not appear to go together.
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| − | Never mind - it looks like you realized that at the same time I did.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 06:57, 2 November 2006 (CST)
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| − | == PDF Files ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | The site currently does not allow for the upload of PDF format files, but I could make a configuration change to allow that. However, the content contained in these files would not be searchable. I would rather ask for a volunteer to transcribe the document, but placing the PDF file online until that happens might not be a bad thing to do.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:03, 5 November 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Emeroy Margaret Whitney limeage ==
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| − | Hurrah! You have hepled me finally solve this family riddle. I have noticed in reading about these ancestors that many of this line were living in East Granville (Hampden County), Mass., possibly beginning with Uriah who may have moved there after marrying Martha Hart (a guess). It is significant to me because the ancestors of Justin W Brewer, who married Emeroy, came from the same town and county before moving to north Ohio (Geauga County). The history intrigues me. Thank you again.
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I stumbled across this: [[:en:Template:Familytree|Familytree Template]]. Any interest in getting this on WRG?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 20:29, 12 November 2006 (CST)
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| − | Robert:
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| − | If you've ever wanted spell check on the site, take a look here: [http://www.taxalmanac.org/index.php/Discussion:Spell_Check_Feature Spell Check Feature].
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 20:14, 18 November 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Two chronology issues ==
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| − | 1. [[Archive:Whitney and Clifford Manuscript Index#Page 12|Whitney Manor Record #60]], dated 20 Jun 1645, mentions "Sir Robert Whitney of Whitney, Kt., lord of the manor of Whitney, and Robert Whitney, esq., his son and heir." Now this Sir Robert must be [[Family:Whitney, Robert (1592-1653)|Robert Whitney (1592-1653)]], but this would mean that his eldest son Robert was still living in 1645, but we have him listed as having died before 1638. Do you know why we have him listed thus?
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| − | 2. If the Eustace Whitney who married Elizabeth Freville in 1301 was actually [[Family:Whitney, Eustace de (c1287-c1352)|Eustace de Whitney (c1287-c1352)]], then he had to have been born before our estimated date of 1287. Either we have this Eustace's birthyear too late, or this marriage was a second marriage for his father [[Family:Whitney, Eustace de (s1256-?)|Eustace]]. Thoughts?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 15:32, 19 November 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Editing Flurry ==
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| − | Wow - I am excited that several people have opted to edit right on the site today. I've seen a couple of minor times when people have stepped on each other, but very minimal. As you've probably discovered, the key to getting the pages to look right is to add the div and make sure that all lines (including blank lines) start with a space.
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| − | I hope that some of these volunteers decide that they like it and continue to help out on the site. Perhaps more of these projects could help with getting people used to it.
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| − | These are links for web feeds - these allow appropriately enabled programs to 'read' what changes are being made to the site and alert individuals who are watching those programs. I have used these in the past, but don't currently. These links aren't broken, they just don't display properly in the browser you are using. You can read more about these feeds at [[:en:Atom (standard)]] and [[:en:RSS (file format)]]. These links are built-in to MediaWiki.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 13:10, 30 November 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Translation ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | You just made a change to your translation at [[Archive:Hereford CRO, Elizabeth Jones alias Whitney, 1601]] for the name of "Elinor llores". When I read this name, I see "Elinor llorde", but then again, you've spent more time with these records.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:52, 1 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Quick Links ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Yesterday I got tired of trying to quickly find the page for the PCC wills. I'd rather type in a quick title like PCC in the search box than try to navigate through our menus when i am quickly trying to find something. So to make it easier, I created a page named [[PCC]] which is simply a redirect to the archive page for the PCC wills. I wanted to let you know about this shortcut in case you had other pages that you'd like to do the same thing for.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:38, 1 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Email ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Check the email I just sent re: Southern Whitneys. I'm interested in if you think my theory holds ground or not.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 21:56, 3 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Census Update ==
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| − | Robert: We're one step closer - all of the 1880 Census Extract pages have been imported. Now just the 1880 index pages to do.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:50, 14 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Sideways Links ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | We could add the sideways links, but I'm not sure how many people would benefit from it, especially with the amount of effort it would take to add them, and then to keep them all up to date.
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| − | Yes, I have been watching you go through all of those pages! Quite an effort! There are so many things we could do here, but I try to keep focused on things that I enjoy doing - it's a hobby after all! Sometimes I am excited about a large project, and other times (especially when I have been working on large projects at work), I don't want to touch a large project. I've done a little bit of organizing of the Phoenix project, getting ready to start that up again, which you may have noticed. I think it'd be good to finally have all of the web conversion projects completed so we could jump on to just the new projects.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 19:09, 15 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | == 1880 Census ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | The census records have all been converted, uploaded, and integrated with the index page.
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| − | I now have two remaining projects from the website conversion:
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| − | # Phoenix
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| − | # Pierce - add/update location categories.
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| − | For Pierce, are we referring to adding and updating location categories on the actual Pierce transcripts, or on the family group sheets? I don't think adding potentially dozens of location categories per Pierce page would be particularly beneficial, especially since our transcriptions are five book pages per website page. Also, since all of the Pierce info has been converted to family groups, I would think that adding them there would be sufficient. Thoughts? If we do decide to add the categories on the family group pages and not on the Pierce transcript pages, I'll move this item to the WRG Projects page, leaving just Phoenix remaining from the website conversion.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 16:04, 16 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | == 1880 Census All page ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I've finished the 1880 Combined Census Index - it was too large for the wiki to handle, so I split it up by letter. I think we're done with the census conversion!
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| − | Other items on our list:
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| − | * USS Constitution - didn't we decide not to migrate this over?
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| − | * Phoenix - still to do | |
| − | * Add localities to Andaleens pages - shoudl this be part of the website conversion, or moved to the WRG projects page?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 19:24, 16 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Phoenix Page Name Format ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | My plan is one page per page. Not only will this be easier to code, easier to link to what you want to, etc., but it also increases our page count. There is a [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_wikis list of the largest wikis] and this website doesn't meet the minimum count. We're at about 6200 and the minimum is currently 8700. I'd like to make it to that list eventually.
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| − | I like the format <nowiki>[[Archive:The Whitney Family of Connecticut, page 99]]</nowiki>, and you're right, we'll have to do somethign with the index.
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| − | Did you see the note I added to the top of the article?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 17:25, 21 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | == New Users ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Thank you for noticing this and for bringing it to my attention. This was caused by a change I made to the new user template back on 12/3. I have corrected that and the user pages of each new user who has joined since that date.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:12, 24 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Article Notes and Issues ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Regarding my comment about sourcing the ''2nd pedigree'' in the article, I just want to make sure that we haven't included anything there that is not supported by the documents we have referenced. For example, I do not see anywhere in the Harleian manuscripts that state how John (of Gorsington) connects to the Whitneys of Whitney, yet we're using that to support our contention that the list of heirs proves where our line fits. Yes, when you look at all of the facts together it fits, but the article sounds as though that connection has been previously proven.
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| − | > I've also considered the Issues carefully. I can't really answer any of them, so to include statements to that effect...
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| − | I didn't intend for the issues to be included in the article, only that they be thought about before publication. I wanted for us to be prepared should these issues be questioned after publication.
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| − | > All I'm waiting for is the original pedigrees from England, and I'll submit the article.
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| − | Yes, I am anxiously awaiting the documents. As soon as they arrive, I'll let you know.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:24, 26 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Main Page Changes ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Thank you re: the comment about the main page subtitle. I just realized that the main page banner has been for a long time! That is typically used for short periods of time for important announcements, etc. I've now moved that content to the top of the right column, as I think most people have seen it and can still find it there. Now that that has been moved, the main page looks a little bland without that bright orange. I think I'll give it a day or two to see if I get used to it. I may work on it a bit more though.
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 13:15, 27 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Hello ==
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| − | AFTER FINDING MY WHITNEY ROOTS ONLY A FEW MONTHS AGO(I AM A 40YR OLD ADOPTEE) I HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS SITE CLOSELY.MY BIRTHMOTHER IS FRANCES WHITNEY(GREAT GRANDDAUGHTER OF EDWARD KENDALL WHITNEY.FOR CHRISTMAS FRANCES GAVE ME A BOOK MADE BY HER ALL ABOUT MY ANCESTORS.ALSO IN THE BOOK ARE PICTURES OF EDWARD KENDALL WHITNEY AND HIS FAMILY AND HIS FARM WHICH OF COURSE I WOULD LOVE TO SHARE WITH THE SITE.
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| − | I WAS EDITTING EKW PAGE ONLY A LITTLE CONCERNING FRANCES GRANDFATHER DR HARRISON WHITNEY.
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| − | MY BOOK SHOWS EDWARD KENDALL WHITNEYS MOTHER AS FREEMAN WHITNEYS SECOND WIFE (MELINDA PACKARD TRAFTON)WHO HASNT BEEN MENTIONED AT ALL ON THIS SITE.I REALLY DONT WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING TO THIS PAGE WITHOUT BEING ABSOLUTELY SURE.cAN ANYONE HELP? THANK YOU-MIKE HEUSER
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| − | == Parentage Unknown ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Do we really want to mark all documents relating to people of unknown parentage as "Category:Parentage Unknown"? I was envisioning that we'd use that category for people and not for records. If we go this route, that could potentially be a lot of records to keep track of and remove that category for when the identification was finally made. Perhaps I'm missing something.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 15:41, 6 January 2007 (CST)
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| − | == Rollback ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | No problem at all! I'm actually surprised at how often we see eye to eye on the direction of the site, or are at least open to discussing what the best direction is on things. I think we make a great team here. I was surprised when you rolled back my change and wondered what you saw that I didn't. It all makes sense now though.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 16:03, 6 January 2007 (CST)
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| − | == Small maintenance issue ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I wanted to fill you in on a small maintenance issue that I do that you are not aware of. I've noticed that you have been patrolling edits on the site, and that's a good thing - I very much appreciate that!
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| − | When I patrol, there is one additional thing that needs to be done. When a new user logs in for the first time, a user page, a talk page, and a lineage page are all created automatically. A bug in that software causes all three to inherit the categories of the last one made. Since the last one made is the user page, the other two get marked with "Category:WRG Members" inappropriately. This causes them to be listed on the main page under the new users listing. We've tried to fix this, but it's a big headache, so we're living with it for now.
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| − | To fix this, whenever a new user logs in and I patrol the edits of their new talk and lineage pages, I simply click edit and save. Nothing is really saved to the history, no changes are saved at all, but the system re-evaluates the categories on the page and everything is as it should be.
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| − | If you think of this as you're patrolling, great. If not, I can come behind you and do this myself.
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 13:01, 7 January 2007 (CST)
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| − | == DNA test ==
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| − | new member stephen whitney here from fort lauderdale. my family journeyed to whitney-on-wye in 2004 and met with the current owner's father of our (John and Elinor's alleged)lands and buildings, including the remaining sections of the original whitney manor next to the river wye.
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| − | because of the apparent gap/? in john of watertown's father's connection to sir robert, etc.: has anyone tried DNA testing from watertown whitneys to the english descendents to help confirm or deny?
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| − | == charles b. and george b. ==
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| − | forgot to mention:
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| − | my grandfather was a charles b. whitney and he had a son named george b. whitney!
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| − | == Welcome Back! ==
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| − | Welcome back Robert! I left a few items on the Recent Changes page that I thought you might want to review, but cleared the rest off. I hope all went well. I am still waiting for the documents!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 13:21, 26 January 2007 (CST)
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| − | == MALINDA PACKARD TRAFTON ==
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| − | Hi,
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| − | Just read your message and can give you the following information.
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| − | Malinda or Melinda as she is sometimes referred to was born 1819 (daughter of Asa Packard and Eleanor Bradbury)and married Freeman Whitney 08 May 1871. She was born Malinda A Packard and first married Samuel Reuben Rich abt 1849. Their son Llewellyn Ambrose Rich was born 1850. Following a celebrated divorce in 1854, which she won together with custody of Lew (although he husband had brought the divorce charges) she remained with her 2nd husband Joshua Trafton whom she had married in 1852, believing Reuben to have been lost at sea. Lew took Joshua's name although I'm not sure if he actually adopted him. Joshua died a couple of years later and Malinda later married Freeman Whitney. Lew moved to Kansas where his adopted uncle Rev Newell Trafton was and later married Barbara A Ford. They were my husband's maternal great grandparents. Malinda is shown on the 1880 census widowed and working in the household of an Alfred Noyes in Maine.
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| − | I can give you more details if you are interested. My late husband was from Colorado and I now live back in England but have continued the research for my son and granddaughters. My email is
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| − | Best wishes with your search. Carol
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| − | == Elizabeth Nelson's user page ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I agree - this is bothering me as well. You said that you don't want this false material on the website, but in actuality, we have it in several places in the archives. If she's just a researcher who found us and hasn't been a part of the WRG group, she may not know who you are and the authority of your words on this subject. For all she knows, you are just another person on the web. Perhaps another note to her with both of our names and "titles" of Whitney Research Group Co-Hosts would be a bit more effective. In that note, we can mention that if she keeps that information on her page, we'll be adding a big red notice that the page contains information which is known to be false.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:55, 7 February 2007 (CST)
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| − | == New Buttons ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Take a look at any Wikipedia article and edit it, such as this:
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| − | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Herefordshire&action=edit
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| − | Note the edit buttons at the top - they now have buttons for superscripting, subscripting, tables, strikethrough, blockquote, etc. Would these be of use?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 16:31, 9 February 2007 (CST)
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| − | == Buttons ==
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| − | Yes, I've just asked that the math and media buttons be removed on the other wiki I work on. I'll probably do the same here soon.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 19:24, 9 February 2007 (CST)
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| − | == Computer Crash ==
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| − | Sorry to hear that Robert! I hope you get up and running soon. Still waiting on the manuscripts. I rush to the mailbox daily, only to be disappointed yet again. Rest assured that you'll know as soon as they get here!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 12:48, 13 February 2007 (CST)
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| − | == The Return ==
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| − | Welcome back! Congratulations on getting all or most of your data back as well! That's excellent! I've been doing a heavy amount of work on my work wiki, and haven't been here as much recently. Also, I'll be in California all next week for a work conference, but will be connected.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 13:51, 14 February 2007 (CST)
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| − | == Replies ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Excellent progress on the Family Group Pages!
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| − | As far as Andaleen adding pre tags, I don't think I particularly like this either, though I haven't found the time to sit down and thoroughly examine where we're at, what she's doing, and what direction we should head.
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| − | Also, I sent a query to ask about the documents we ordered and why we haven't received them yet.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 12:24, 25 February 2007 (CST)
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| − | == Abaham Whitney - 25 April 1779/1773 ==
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| − | RLWARD
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| − | I think you have edited the Abner Whitney page. Did you notice that both of the Abrahams have the same birthdate? This seems a little unlikely to me.
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| − | I left a discussion note as I don't know how these questions are addressed here. I just signed into today and have not yet put my full Whitney connection. I do go back to Abraham though so this is of interest to me.
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| − | Thanks,
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| − | Jinny
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| − | Virginia Barber Angelis
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| − | == Website ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I'm going to take the wiki offline for about 30 minutes to move it to a new location.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 12:17, 29 April 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Whitney v. Whitney ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I have confirmed that the [[Archive:C 3/186/32|Whitney vs. Whitney]] court case occurred in 1566. In folio 4, I have now transcribed the following statement: "Robert Whytney esquier father of this defendant ... aboute twentye and fyve yeres last past at Icombe__ the Com of Glous dyed". 1566 - 25 = 1541, the year that [[Family:Whitney, Robert (s1491-1541)|Robert Whitney]] died.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 15:06, 30 April 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Phoenix Footnotes ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Something appears to be incorrect with the footnotes. Take a look at page 61, 61, etc.
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| − | I am currently reviewing your recently imported pages to determine how to make these changes programatically.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:52, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Duplicates? ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | It appears that the following two pages probably refer to the same man:
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| − | * [[Family:Whitney, Eustace (fl. 1277-1282)]] | |
| − | * [[Family:Whitney, Eustace de (s1256-?)]]
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| − | Do you agree? If so, I'll merge.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:02, 16 May 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Phoenix Progress ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Congratulations on your progress with the Phoenix import and family page creation! As far as how detailed you want to be with source citation, I would go forward both with the 5th generation males and the females with the simple method of citing Phoenix. You can always cycle back around and add additional citations.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:12, 20 May 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Phoenix Process ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Can you quickly describe your process for Phoenix? It seems as though you are uploading them fairly quickly. Are you just cutting and pasting from a set of pre-created pages that you have? The reason I ask is that if the content is ready to be added, the bot can do that very easily!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 16:13, 25 May 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Phoenix & Databases ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Excellent work on Phoenix. I'm glad that my scripting and robot automation tool were able to help out after all.
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| − | As far as what other pages or activities we should do now, I look at it in two ways. 1) What's left to complete the content on this website to what the last website had, and 2) What content would be most beneficial to the largest number of WRG members. As long as we've completed the migration of data from the old website, I say any further work should fall under the second criteria. Of course, I'm also a big believer that this is all a hobby, and should be enjoyable, even to us! I say work on what you find most enjoyable.
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| − | As far as the databases go, the big question which we must agree on is where should the primary data reside? In the GEDCOMs, or in the wiki? Once that question has been answered, I'll have a better idea of how to make it happen.
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| − | ''Note:'' I'm still working on this list. Feel free to add items of your own here. - Tim
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| − | ===Keep the data in the GEDCOM files===
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| − | ====Pros====
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| − | # System is in place and people know how to use it.
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| − | # The process is distributed among several people.
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| − | # WRG members can download it to their own systems.
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| − | ====Cons====
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| − | # GEDCOM isn't a great system for storing the narratives that we'd like to put together.
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| − | # We can't link source documents to families and families to source documents
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| − | # Only one person can be in charge of each GEDCOM
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| − | # We'd have to write a program to display or somehow integrate the GEDCOM data on the website.
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| − | # This data would not be included in the search of the site.
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| − | # We have the same data in multiple places (wiki and GEDCOM) for some early generations.
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| − | ===Migrate the data to the wiki===
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| − | ====Pros====
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| − | # The process is distributed among everyone - Everyone can contribute.
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| − | # The wiki is a great way to store narratives and link to source documents.
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| − | ====Cons====
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| − | # WRG members can't easily download the data to their own systems.
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| − | # System is in place and people can learn how to use it.
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| − | # We'd have to import the data from the GEDCOMs to the website (easier to do this once than to keep the data in sync repeatedly).
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 19:15, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Ebenezer ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | While looking at the list of outstanding conversion projects, I realized that I could use a new HTML to Wiki formatting tool that I just installed this week for work to convert [[Descendants of Ebenezer Whitney of Sheffield, NB, Canada]]. I have now done this and the results, while not perfect, are far better than previous attempts. I've saved them to the website, and I think we can finish up the cleanup by using search and replace, either in an external editor or I can write a perl script if we need that. Take a look at what's there and let me know what you think.
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| − | By the way, I agree that we should eventually strive to convert this to family group pages, but for now, a direct import of the full document is probably all that we need to do.
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| − | It appears that the conversion stripped out the internal anchors. I am currently working on this and will be doing a re-import. If you have time, please review the file and let me know what other issues you might find.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 07:12, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Ebenezer GEDCOM ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I just downloaded a GEDCOM to HTML converter. I'd like to test that out, then use my HTML to Wiki conversion capabilities to see if I can't get the Ebenezer data online in Family Group pages. Could you send me the latest Ebenezer file?
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 17:29, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Searching ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | One of the items that was listed on the website conversion list was the ability to search the mailing list archives on rootsweb and the Whitney Genealogy Forum. The old website was able to do this and present the data merged in with the other search results. That will not be possible here. Instead, I have added these searches, as well as several others that were on the old search page to the Advanced Search page. All appear to be currently working properly.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:50, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Collapsible Tables ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | After much effort, I was finally able to get collapsible tables to work. See [[User:Tdoyle/Sandbox9]] for an example. Basically, we can use these in places where we want users to be able to see information, but may not want it to take up all of the screen. I basically got this working here for a project for work, but if you ever have a need for it, just let me know.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 23:26, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Problems Galore ==
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| − | All fixed! - at least in the MA Vital records pages. I'll go look around to see if I can find more areas that need conversion. Fixed several other areas as well.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 07:55, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == More Changes ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I can quickly add a link for <nowiki>[[Whitney Research Group]] and convert <br> to <br /></nowiki>
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:08, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Silas ==
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| − | I was hoping you saw turbodoug's post. I actually pulled out your Footloose article to see what might have been listed there. I just received a package of all of the past issues of TAG that I was missing from 2003-2006, but not the anticipated issue.
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| − | Why are Isaac & Nathaniel from your Footloose article not listed on [[Family:Whitney, Joshua (1712-1750)]]?
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| − | P.S. FYI - We have yet more thunder outside currently, and when that happens, we frequently lose power, which means the website could go down again.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 13:26, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Silas Whitney- Simeon Whitney ==
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| − | The handwritten notes I have came from my Father's cousin and have the following which I just sent to TDoyle.
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| − | I have Silas Whitney b. 1770/71 marrying Tryphina Lane in 1791 died 1836 Buried in Temple Hill Cemetery, Geneseo, N.Y.. #2 wife Electa Hawks (came from Connecticut) and #3 wife Huldah born 1774 died Oct. 4, 1846 in Rochester, May be buried in Temple Hill. Children with Tryphina. 1. Jemima born 1792 2. Male child ? 3. Simeon L. born July 7, 1802 ?4. Another son?
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| − | Silas 1795 Came to Ontario County, N.Y. from Medway MA. 1796 was in Ontario County at Pittstown (now Honeoye) Later in Bristol, N.Y. Came to Geneseo, N.Y.
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| − | 1855- Silas was 85 yrs old and lived in son Simeon's home.
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| − | Simeon died March 7th,1875 buried Temple Hill cemetery, Geneseo, N.Y. He was married to Temperance Alexander April 4,1822. Temperance was born March 10, 1804 died Nov. 4, 1860.
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| − | #5 was Charles H. born June 3, 1842. Simeon's information came from the Whitney Bible. and some from Barb. Deller
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| − | I am still digesting the handwritten pages but the above is an excerpt. I will continue to correspond
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| − | == Which Nathaniel ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I think you're right - I think it should belong to his grandfather, since we know from his second marriage that he had ties to Concord.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 21:46, 17 June 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Ebenezer / Databases ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | As you know, we have two things left to convert before our migration from the old website is complete. In reality, these two items are variants of the same thing - the databases. Rather than convert the Ebenezer report, I think I should concentrate on how to convert the databases. Agreed?
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| − | As I look at how to attack this issue, I can do this in a couple of ways:
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| − | # Write a script which parses & interprets the GEDCOM directly, then creates family group pages for each family.
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| − | # Use TMG to convert the GEDCOM information to a different format, such as a descendancy report, and then write scripts to convert this further.
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| − | I think using TMG would save me much time in GEDCOM interpretation, providing I can get output that contains all of the information as well as the appropriate links between individuals.
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| − | I'm still pondering how to do this... I haven't forgotten that it needs to be done.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:16, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Samuel Whitney Descendant ==
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| − | Robert,
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| − | Could you put kit #92676 up on the web for my brother and I. I am not sure how to get the results on the web page. Thanks. You and Tim are doing great work!
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| − | Tara (Whitney) Bellomy
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| − | == George Irwin Whitney... ==
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| − | Thanks for your help. I will try to pursue the indications you have given me. I spent a while trying to look for George ''Irving'' Whitney (as opposed to George ''Irwin'' Whitney) in your Whitney Wiki. I didn't find any such person referenced. Do you think that the two are one and the same?
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| − | In my quick cruise through all this (I only got into this yesterday), I learned some more about Whitney's.
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| − | For example, I learned that Richard Whitney became president of the New York Stock Exchange later on in the 1900's according to the Wikipedia. That source goes on to say that he was given entrance into financial circles in NY by virtute of the fact that his older brother George Whitney worked in the financial area in NY. Some how I got the impression that George Whitney was a "junior" and that therefore his father must be George Whitney (Irving or Irwin, I am not sure which).
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| − | The Wikipedia says that George Whitney went on to work for Goldman-Sachs. It also describes how Richard rose to prominence and then ended up being convicted for embezzlement in the go-go days of the stock market 20's and 30's which resulted in the crash.
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| − | I'm going to see if the local library has some (gasp) print documents concerning the early history of Goldman-Sachs just to see if I can go backwards from George Whitney who worked for them to his father.
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| − | Finally, I'd like to say that your Wiki is impressive. I'm used to seeing such things in the high energy physics realm but it was fun to see such an extensive use of a Wiki in the Whitney realm.
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| − | --D.
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| − | == Census Conflicts ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I updated the census records for MA that you asked about. Also, could you give me a few examples of items where you see the differences?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 20:06, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == User Edit ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Could you verify the following user edit?
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| − | [http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php?title=Family:Whitney%2C_Joshua_%281718-1761%29&curid=6171&diff=39298&oldid=37927&rcid=38034]
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 07:37, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Census Link ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | You added a 1790 census link to the following page, but it doesn't appear to be for the correct person: [[Family:Whitney, Nathaniel (1696-1776)]].
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 14:52, 1 August 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == 1790 Census Images ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Very interesting. I imagine that some of the census takers would have taken notes out in the field, and then copied this information to the official lists that they submitted.
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| − | It seems to me that linking all of the 1790 Whitney enumerations to the appropriate individual will allow us to identify when this happened. After we're (you're) done with the linking, we can then look to see which Whitneys on the census are unidentified, and which Whitneys in our database are missing an enumeration. We can then search through the records to see what may have happened. I'm hoping we won't have to completely research the Whitings!
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| − | By the way, I wanted to make sure you were aware that Vermont did not have a census taken in 1790. Because it was late to join the union, it had a 'census date' of 4 Apr 1791. This is why our census index page is 1791, not 1790.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:47, 2 August 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Men in 1790 ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | To aid in the 1790 census project, I have compiled a list of [[Potential Heads of Households - 1790|all men who should have been alive in 1790]]. I started with a complete list of all family pages, deleted those born before 1690 or after 1775, deleted those who died before 1790, and removed all (most) of the women. This leaves us with a pretty good list of candidates for heads of households on the 1790 census. As you try to identify individuals on the census, feel free to use this list. We may even want to start checking people off of the list as we find them on the census so we know who is left to find, and then at the end specifically go searching for them.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:17, 5 August 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == 1790 Heads ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Don't think of my list as complete. I was just thinking of it as a finding tool. We already have a complete list - the census itself! I envision this list being deleted when you're through. For now, if you find a person who you can't identify, you can search this list to see all of the existing family group pages for men of that name to see if it helps in your identification. If not, a new page may have to be created, just as you have done previously. I certainly don't want this to create more busy-work for you.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:45, 5 August 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Calvin & Haynes ==
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| − | DNA results for a descendant of Calvin show that he was a descendant of John Whitney. A mutation at one location hints that he may have descended from John's son Richard, though this is by no means a certainty.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:34, 5 August 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Wales ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Last night I created family group pages for each family or individual listed in the 1841 census for Wales. I've finished editing these pages this morning. I've also been working to create location categories and categorize them. I think the [[:Category:Wales]] page is really looking nice now. Because these pages all are generated automatically when we categorize the location categories, I think we should change the [[Localities]] page to only include the countries. There is no way we could ever hope to keep this page up to date as we added a new location category, so let's not try. We simply link to the country category page, which then contains all of the locations within that country.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:47, 9 August 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Localities ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I grabbed the list of all "wanted categories" (from the Special pages), and also grabbed the list of existing category pages (all pages, category namespace). Then I removed those categories which were not locality related. Now I have a list of all localities, at least those which we have category tags for. I've placed those in a spreadsheet, and have a column for the existing category, and additional columns for Locality, County, State/Shire, and Country. I am massaging those columns and finding quite a few misspellings, etc. in them. I am almost complete with that data massaging. Next I will add in the counties and other missing fields from the entries. Once I am through with that, I'll send the file to you for review. When we are happy with the file, I will write a robot script to loop through each entry in the file, loop through each page which is currently in that category, edit that page, remove the old category, add in each level of the new category (i.e. "United States", "Vermont, United States", "Windham County, Vermont, United States", etc.), then save the page and continue. I have already extracted all of the high-level country categories and added them to the localities page.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:56, 9 August 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Invalid Link ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | That's because the link is pointing to the current page. I think you have your page numbers off on the footer call.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 17:02, 14 August 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == MA Tax Lists ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I thought you might find [http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=25&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mass.gov%2Flib%2Fcollections%2Fsc%2Ftaxvaluations.doc&ei=AMfJRuTHPI_uigGOtMAS&usg=AFQjCNGfgyathl0KSRemP7zwh8ybP3AW4Q&sig2=r42OiGBGzEOSukjBFLcQ1Q this document] of interest.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 11:57, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == List ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Yes, I've been watching. Remember that my list came only from pages which already existed, so it wouldn't include everyone. Your additions are a good improvement.
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| − | Now that we've done quite a few more, is your opinion of the project still favorable?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 18:13, 22 August 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Birthdate ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Could you check [[Family:Whitney, Samuel L. (1799-1863)]] - the birthdates don't match.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 07:30, 23 August 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Flagged Pages ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Thank you for looking into and taking care of the birthdate issue this morning. I was in the middle of working on the 1771 project and had too many windows open at the time to think about that.
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| − | This issue brought to light something that I think we have needed - a way to flag issues to return to without having to deal with it immediately. To solve this, I have created a "flag" template. To use it, simply add the following to the top of any page that you'd like to flag: <nowiki>{{flag|reason why it's being flagged}}</nowiki>. This will add a banner at the top and also add the page to a category so we can find and deal with them.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:59, 23 August 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == 1800 Boston ==
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| − | Yes, it appears the 1800 census for Suffolk County has been lost. Also, I've noticed that the 1771 Tax List has no one from Watertown - not sure if it was lost as well, or if they're hiding under another spelling.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 13:26, 24 August 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == John Issue ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Take a look at [[Family:Whitney, John (1716-a1757)]]. Note that John supposedly resided in Eastham, MA till at least 1742/3, then had a daughter bapt. 1744 in Kittery, ME, then back to Sherborn in 1747, then back to Maine. Son Nathaniel couldn't have been born 1744 if the father remarried and had a daughter baptized Apr 1744 by another woman. Son Josiah supposedly m. 1771 Brookline, MA, but if his father had been in ME since 1744, what was the son doing back in MA? I guess all of this is possible, it just raised a few flags for me. Could you review?
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 18:33, 30 August 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == 1771 Tax List ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I have just about finished identifying the Whitneys on the [[Archive:The Massachusetts Tax Valuation List of 1771|1771 Tax List]]. There are 13 individuals still not identified, as follows:
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| − | * Two men named Charles. I can't find any appropriate men to assign these to, and they appear to have been fairly well off. The one in Stow may have been Caleb of Stow, who I was unable to locate.
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| − | * Three men named John
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| − | * Three men named Moses. Note that the Moses in Gorham could be either of two men.
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| − | * Three men named Samuel
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| − | * Two individuals with no name (-----)
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| − | Note that I found several instances where the same man was listed twice, once for his primary residence, and again for meadows or pastures in another nearby town. Typically he would have been listed as "nonresident", but not always.
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| − | If you want to attempt to identify these remaining men, I'd appreciate it, though I know you have your own projects which you are int he middle of.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 16:22, 1 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | Robert:
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| − | As you may have inferred from my recent edits, I am working on a method in which you can flag a page for renaming and have an automated process do the busy work for you. You would simply add the following to a page <nowiki>"{{rename|newpagename}}"</nowiki>. The next time I ran my script, all pages in that category would be renamed, all of the pages which link to them would have their links updated, and the redirect page deleted. This, I believe, would remove quite a bit of "busy work" from our plate and allow us to redirect it to something more constructive. Let me know if you don't agree with this approach.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 07:43, 4 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | Robert:
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| − | As you have seen, I have been making great progress on the page rename bot. It does the following:
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| − | # Loads a list of all pages within [[:Category:Pages flagged for rename]]
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| − | # Loops through those pages one at a time, doing the following:
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| − | ## Gets the page's contents and parses out the desired new page name
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| − | ## Verifies that the desired new page doesn't already exist ('''now working''')
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| − | ## Gets a list of all pages which link to the page to be moved
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| − | ## Loops through each linking page, replacing the old page name with the new page name
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| − | ## Verifies that no further pages link to the page to be moved (gives a warning if any do still link)
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| − | ## Renames the page
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| − | ## Deletes the newly created redirect page ('''not yet working''')
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| − | ## Removed the template call in the page so it won't try to move it again
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| − | I just got the bot to remove the template call as your last message mentioned. I had it working on my test page and then all failed during the test of a 'live' page - I figured out is was the parentheses in the date range, and now have that issue corrected. It did cause me to have to make more edits to poor Amos's page than I had wanted. I still need to get the check in place to make sure I don't overwrite a page which already exists, and determine what I/we want to do about deleting the redirect page.
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| − | Keep in mind that the redirect pages, if left alone, will allow any outside links (si=uch as from search engines, people who have linked to a family, etc.) to still work. The downside is that the more redirects we keep, the higher chance we have of further page name collisions down the road. Removing them does not save space in the database, as even "deleted" pages are still there, just with a flag set.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 13:27, 4 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == More Page Moves ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I think I have something that can now be used. Go to Recent Changes and select "show bots". That's where you can view all of the WRG-Robot edits, which I think need to be patrolled for a time to make sure all is well with the process. As you can see for Joshua, I added the rename flag at 14:17 and the robot made many changes at 14:18. If you could review these to make sure all was done properly, I'd appreciate it.
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 14:22, 4 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | I've been looking into [[Family:Whitney, Jabez (1767-1849)]]. He had children by Elizabeth from 1790-1804, then Elizabeth died in 1808 and was bur. in Jones Cem. A daughter was buried in Orange in 1815, so we know the family still resided there at that time.
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| − | He had children by Sarah from 1810-1827. A "Sally", sp. of Jabez d. 1847 and was probably the same person as Sarah. She was '''not''' listed as bur. in Jones Cem.
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| − | Jabez himself d. 1849 and was bur. in Jones Cem.
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| − | The issue comes up when we see that there's another sp. of Jabez, "Ly", who d. 1846 and who was bur. in Jones Cem.
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| − | If the Jabez who m. Elizabeth was the same man as the one who m. Sally, then when could he have m. Ly? Since Jabez, Elizabeth and Ly are all bur. in Jones Cem., it is likely that both Elizabeth and Ly were wives of the same Jabez. If this is the case, can this Jabez be the same one that married Sarah/Sally?
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| − | Since the Jabez & Sarah had their first child in 1810, he could have been b. say 1792. Jabez and Elizabeth had a child, name unrecorded, b. 1793. I suspect that we have a father/son pair here who have been comingled. Thoughts?
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| − | Also, the 1830 census shows two older men: 1 male 80-90 and 1 male 60-70. The older female in the house was 40-50, so I suspect that the HOH was 60-70 with an elderly man (father?) living with them.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:18, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Jabez Whitney II ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I agree that "Ly" could have been Sally, but Sally's burial is listed in 1847. Ly's burial is in 1846. I still believe that we have a father/son pair. This is a page that I put together originally, so I think they should be split. Do you oppose?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:46, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Descendant List ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I've been thinking that it might be nice to include a list of WRG members who descend from certain family groups. If a new member links in, they can quickly see who their closest relatives are who are also in the WRG. Although we can see this with the "What links here" feature, most users would never comprehend this. I have put together a prototype. See [[Family:Whitney, Erastus (1790-1862)]]. Let me know what you think. If we decide to do this, I can have the robot populate all of the initial links. It might be a good way to bring more people to the website (they have to create an account to have their name listed) and also lets them have more of a vested interest in the pages as their name is listed.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:58, 10 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Jeremiah ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Jeanne Neilon has stated that the Jeremiah Whitney that we have listed in 1820 in SC is not there. See [[Archive:1820 Census Extracts, South Carolina]]. Could you double check your other census source to verify, and if it does, copy and email me the image?
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| − | Thanks!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:55, 10 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Samuel of Woodbury ==
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| − | I'd just treat him as we do any other person for whom we're unsure of the parentage. Mention on his page that his true parentage is unknown, and then list the two proposed options and source them.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 19:02, 11 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Aaron Whitney ==
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| − | It looks as though my rename may have removed some of the edits I made to [[Family:Whitney, Aaron (1774-a1830)]] today. I first put together a tentative list of children based upon careful examination of the census enumerations, then found the Guilford records, which almost perfectly matched what I had put together. I wanted to make sure you saw what I had been able to uncover.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 18:53, 13 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Disambiguation pages ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I love the idea. Would we create pages in the main namespace such as "Robert Whitney" and then link off to the various family group pages? We could then add an overview page that lists all of the names. Is this what you were thinking? This would allow people to type in "Samuel Whitney" in the search box, get to the disambiguation page, then click through to view the family. If there was just one person of that name, we could just redirect or choose to do a single link disambiguation. What about people with middle names or initials? Would we just add them to the page with the first name and list their middle names or should we also have a disambiguation page for the full name as well?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:36, 15 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Samuel Whtiney Disambiguation ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I've created the page [[Samuel Whitney]] and have added a few notes at the top. I think we should treat this page as a proof-of-concept and see how it evolves.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:25, 15 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Name Disambiguation Pages ==
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| − | The name disambiguation pages are now being uploaded by the robot.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 12:08, 16 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Children Without Their Own Pages ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | You're starting to think like me - I sat down about 30 minutes ago to start this project.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 17:49, 16 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Two Asa Whitneys ==
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| − | Yes, I agree - that makes sense. Are we still documenting these Pierce errors on the page for that when we find them?
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| − | Also, see http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/WHITNEY/2005-12/1135863459
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 20:03, 16 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Lisle 1810 ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I hadn't seen "The Census Book", but it looks similar to the introductory material from the book "Map Guide to the U.S. Federal Censuses 1790-1920" by Thorndale & Dollarhide. If you don't have this book, I recommend it. This book indicates that Cortland Co. (just north of Broome) as well as portions of Broome Co. are lost for 1810, so I think you are correct.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 21:26, 16 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Plaintext ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I've been watching Carolyn post her 1830 CT transcriptions and it got me to thinking why we needed the plaintext div '''and''' the leading spaces. This shouldn't be the case at all. It appears that at some point in the census project, we started a page where the div had a missing quotation mark, and was thus tossed out upon rendering, causing us to add the spaces, and then this was repeated across many pages. In addition, using a "p" instead of a "div" adds less of a margin and is thus better, I think. Also, we should have been using class instead of id all along as well. "id" is used to assign a specific name to an item, and should technically only be used once per page. "class" just sets a specific class, which is what we are doing, and can be used as often as needed on a page. With all this being said, here is a summary of all of this:
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| − | # Use <nowiki><p> instead of <div></nowiki>
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| − | # Use "class=" instead of "id="
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| − | # Use "Plaintext" and not "plaintext" ("Plaintext90" and "Plaintext80" are also available for 90% and 80% font size)
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| − | # Opening and closing parentheses are required
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| − | Also, I've noticed that after making these changes on a test page that the space between lines is more than before. If you'd like the old look, I can adjust that, but it'll apply to all pages using the class.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:13, 17 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Josiah Corrections ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I agree with your Josiah conclusions. Feel free to make those changes. After we remove the information, what remains for Josiah though?
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| − | Also, I have issues with the RenameBot:
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| − | # If one of the pages linking to the page to be renamed is a redirect page, the bot used to abort. I have fixed the abort - it now just skips the redirect. I need to figure out exactly what I want to happen in this case and deal with it. As we make more moves (and as the RenameBot is not removing the resulting redirect pages), more of them exist and the problem grows.
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| − | # The bot currently searches for the old page name and replaces it with the new name, even if the old/new text is not a link. This hasn't been an issue as the pages we have been renaming have been pretty specific. However, imagine if we renamed the page "John Whitney". I need to change the script to only fix links.
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| − | # I also need to enhance the bot to fix link parameters if those parameters are the same as the link itself, less the namespace. For example, <nowiki>[[Family:Whitney, John (1700-1800)|Whitney, John (1700-1800)]]</nowiki> as we currently have on the Given Name index pages. I would expect both to be updated.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 11:08, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == 1790 Census ==
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| − | The Samuel Whitney that is listed as unidentified in 1790 in the Halifax District is most likely Samuel Whitney son of Joshua and Mary Whitney of Edgecombe NC. Halifax, Martin, and Edgecombe Counties are all very close to each other in NC.
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| − | == Dublin ==
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| − | I have been trying to identify Mercy Whitney who was enumerated in Dublin, NH in 1790. I found an online source The History of Dublin, N.H. By Dublin (N.H.), Levi Washburn Leonard, Charles Mason on Google Books which lists the following Whitneys:
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| − | * 1779 Bascom Whitney warned out
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| − | * 1780 John Whitney warned out
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| − | * 1788 Mary & Hannah Whitney warned out
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| − | * 1778 & 1781 Nathan Whitney was listed as a lot owner
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| − | * 1788 Mary Whitney m. James Upton
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| − | I haven't been able to place any of these individuals. Any thoughts?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 21:30, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Isaac ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | Attempting to find the Isaac Whitney of Stamford, VT in 1790. There was also another Isaac and a Daniel there in 1800. Could the two Isaacs have been father/son, and if so, could they be [[Family:Whitney, Isaac (1746-a1778)]] and his son?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 21:51, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Isaac again ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | I can find only two Isaac Whitneys who we haven't found in 1790:
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| − | # [[Family:Whitney, Isaac (1735-a1782)]] - although not found in 1790 or 1800, I suspect he had died. His younger sons were in Boston and Brookline, MA in 1802 & 1808, so I doubt he was the man who showed up in Stamford, VT.
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| − | # [[Family:Whitney, Isaac (1746-a1778)]]. He is in Holliston, MA until 1778 and then vanishes.
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| − | Do you feel comfortable with me linking the 1790 & 1800 census records to this man and on his page listing the entry as "(perhaps)" with a note on the page "He was perhaps the man listed in Stamford in 1790..."
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| − | Yes, I will extract the Dublin records.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 08:09, 19 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Hannah Watson/Taylor Lougee ==
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| − | I spoke to an old gentleman, Frank Lougee, who died in 2002. He read to me from papers kept at the Lougee homestead in Parsonsfield, ME - old bibles and letters. This came from one of the letters. I am still working with his granddaughter, to try and get scanned copies of the documents themselves.
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| − | On this place his son Taylor, born January 3, 1784, lived after him, married a Watson, and had two sons, Samuel and Thomas. Samuel resides near the old home yet. His wife Hannah dying, he next married a Tibbetts and had by her two sons, Greenlief and Sylvester, the latter now residing in Effingham, New Hampshire, where he has reared quite a family of children, among them a lawyer and two physicians Doctor George E. Lougee, of Freedom, New Hampshire, being one. This wife dying he married a third time, a Miss Hayes, and two sons were theirs, Hayes and Cyrus. Mr. Taylor Lougee moved to Effingham Falls, New Hampshire, in 1840, and there died.
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| − | Name: Hannah Watson
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| − | Birth: 28 Sep 1778 - Gorham, Cumberland Co., Maine
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| − | Death: 10 Apr 1816 - Parsonsfield, ME
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| − | Father: Colman Phinney Watson (1751- ? )
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| − | Mother: Patience Whitney (1748-?)
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| − | 1. *Taylor Lougee (3 Jan 1784 - 19 Feb 1857)
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| − | Marriage: 3 May 1806 - Limerick ME
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| − | Children:
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| − | 1. Samuel Lougee II (1808-Aft 1880)
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| − | 2. Thomas Lougee
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| − | Kess.
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| − | == 1880 Census ==
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| − | E. W. Whitney listed in the 1880 Extracts as:
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| − | 1880 U.S. Census, Beat 11, Walker, Alabama, T9-0034, p. 98C - Ancestry.com is Elhannan William Whitney, father Hiram C. Whitney and mother Minerva Jones. Thank you.
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| − | == Trouble with Patrolling ==
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| − | That can happen when the files are too large. It causes the program which compares the versions to take too long and it times out. We may want to think about splitting some of those large pages at some point.
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| − | The way I "patrol" these is this (though you're always free to just ask me to do it):
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| − | # Hover over the "mark as patrolled" link on a "good" page, right click, and select "Copy link location".
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| − | # Hover over the page giving you problems and write down the "rcid" number.
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| − | # Paste in the link location and replace the rcid number with the one you wrote down.
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| − | # Press enter and the page will be patrolled
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| − | Also, I noticed the renames on many of the 1850 & 1880 census pages. When we mark pages for rename, make sure that the link is displayed in red in the banner. If it's blue, that page already exists and something manual will need to take place. I changed 3 or 4 such issues to be flagged so we could merge them.
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| − | Lots of activity here today!
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 18:37, 23 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | == Census Issue ==
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| − | Robert:
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| − | At one point you had a census entry on the page of [[Family:Whitney, Solomon (1709-a1758)]], but removed it on 9/1/07. However, the census record itself (in Lincoln, MA) still points to this page and the potential page still shows this Solomon as having been found. What should be done here?
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 06:29, 27 September 2007 (CDT)
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| − | Found it - it was moved to his son's page. All fixed now.
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| − | == Missing templates ==
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| − | Good call Robert! I've now deleted the old ones and changed all of the pages that were linking to them. The nice thing about this template is that we automatically categorize pages missing a certain census year, meaning that the "missing" list is now automated.
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 14:42, 28 September 2007 (CDT)
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