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Census Addition You Made
Crystal,
Thanks for adding a family group for John Whitney in Watertown, MA, to the 1860 Census Extracts. This was missed because of the misspelling of the surname. Any additions of this kind are very useful!
Unfortunately I have had to undo much of what you did, because you changed many of the <span id="NNN"></id> constructs for many families on that page (with NNN replaced by a number). These are used as "anchors". They provide a point to which a link can take you from another page. On the other family group pages, the link would look like [[Archive:1860 Census Extracts, Massachusetts, Middlesex County#NNN|1860, Watertown, Middlesex Co., MA]]. When you click on a link like that, it takes you to the very line where the anchor resides. By changing the numbers NNN, all the links of family group pages now point to a different line. Our solution when inserting text in a file like this is to add a new anchor with a new value of NNN, not used in the rest of the file. In this case, I would use NNN = 171a, because the new data lies between anchors numbered 171 and 172.
I hope you understand the above explanation. Feel free to write if you have questions or comments.
- Robert Ward - Talk to me 11:23, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Mary Whitney
Crystal,
I believe I have found the marriage of John Dudley Whitney's daughter Mary. See this entry, the marriage on 2 Apr 1863, Watertown, MA, of Allen Norcross, laborer, of Watertown, aged 24, born in Watertown, son of Elijah and Eliza (Crowell) Norcross, and Mary E. Whitney, of Watertown, aged 20, born in Acton, daughter of John D. and Mary Whitney. I know that John Dudley Whitney's wife was Elizabeth, not Mary, but the rest of the information fits very well. What do you think?
And here is her death record. See this entry, the death on 22 Oct 1885, Watertown, of Mary E. Norcross, female, widowed, aged 41 years 4 months, of pul[monary] phthisis, residing in Watertown, born Acton, daughter of John and Elizabeth Whitney, father born Acton, mother born unknown. Her husband Allen Norcross had died 23 Aug 1883, Watertown.
- Robert Ward - Talk to me 14:23, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Arthur C. Whitney
Crystal,
I found Arthur's birth record, but there's a twist!
Arthur Cephas Hoar, born 21 Sep 1854, Boxborough, MA, son of John S. (farmer, b. Boxborough) and Mary P. Hoar.
Reference: "Massachusetts Vital Records, 1841–1910," from original records held by the Massachusetts Archives. Online database: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2004; volume 82, page 41.
Why his name changed to Whitney is a mystery. "Mary" is an error for "Lydia".
I also found his parents: John Sherman Hoar and his wife Lydia Parker Whitney. Now see this page: Family:Whitney, Simeon Howard (1787-1859). Two of his brothers also changed their names from Hoar to Whitney, their mother's maiden name.
- Robert Ward - Talk to me 12:45, 25 May 2012 (CDT)
Re: Simmons Simon Whitney 1815-1817
Crystal,
This child must have borne the surname Simmons, not Whitney. He is most likely an otherwise unknown child of James and Sarah (Whitney) Simmons. See Family:Whitney, Sarah (s1777-a1806).
Now this raises another issue. Since the child is named Simon Whitney Simmons, it would seem to me that it was likely that a father or brother or uncle or grandfather would have been named Simon Whitney. Now the only Simon Whitney I can find with a relative Sarah not otherwise accounted for is Family:Whitney, Simon (1727-1797), and he did, indeed, live in Watertown, MA. There are birth records for two daughters Sarah/Sally to Simon and his wives (one for each wife), one given by Henry Bond and the other from the published Watertown vital records. Those two given names are generally interchangeable, Sally being a common nickname for Sarah.
The elder of the two daughters I have given a marriage to Phineas Jennison, based on Henry Bond's Genealogies of the Families and Descendants of the Early Settlers of Watertown, Massachusetts, ... (1855-1859), p. 309 and 648. The younger is an outstanding candidate for the marriage to James Simmons. This would explain much. The fly in the ointment is that both daughters would have had to live to maturity. That and the similarity of the birth dates (Jan vs. Jun and 1773 vs. 1775) are why I wrote what I did on Simon's web page under the two daughters' accounts.
So were there two daughters of the "same" name living at the same time, half-sisters? Or was there just one daughter, and which marriage did she contract? The fact that Simon did not leave a will means that we cannot use that means to answer the question. The administration of his estate does not mention either daughter, who would be adults and already married, which is not a surprise.
Looking more closely at Phineas Jennison, it seems that Bond gives his birth date as 1743, and makes Sarah Whitney his second wife. It seems odd that his second wife was thirty years younger than he. It makes me suspect that Bond has the wrong Sarah there, or the wrong Phineas. The marriage record in question calls Phineas "Jr.", so probably it was Phineas Jennison, Jr., bapt. 1770, son of Phineas Jennison by his first wife, Susanna Newton, who was Sarah's husband.
So many questions, so few answers! Very interesting problem!
For the time being, I'm not going to change the two family web pages for Simon and for Sarah, but make notes of the problems, as discussed above.
- Robert Ward - Talk to me 20:01, 13 October 2012 (CDT)
Eliza (Patterson) Whitney
Crystal,
I found a death record which seems to apply to Eliza (Patterson) Whitney, but this is not certain.
Elizabeth Whitney died 8 Sep 1855, Boston, MA, aged 28 years, of softening of the brain, married female, born in Maine, parents names left blank.
Reference: Massachusetts Vital Records, 1841–1910. (From original records held by the Massachusetts Archives. Online database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2004.), vol. 95, page 64, line 1.
The time frame is right, the name is almost right, the age is right, the marital status is right, and the birth state is right. The location is close and reasonable.
- Robert Ward - Talk to me 11:50, 24 October 2013 (CDT)
Eliza (Patterson) Whitney, II
Crystal,
If Eliza was living in Maine in 1860, then was there a divorce? Note that Jonathan remarried in 1859.
- Robert Ward - Talk to me 07:12, 25 October 2013 (CDT)
