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I think I found your grandfather Dewayne C. Whitney on the 1930 census. He was born about 1915 in Wisconsin. His parents were "Floyd F." Whitney, born about 1888 in Illinois, a farmer, and his wife Victoria C., born about 1890 in Wisconsin. The children in the family were Elmer W., Dewayne C., Lucile I., Gertrude L., Arland G., John W., and Loraine C., all born in Wisconsin. They were living in Arland Township, Barron County, Wisconsin. | I think I found your grandfather Dewayne C. Whitney on the 1930 census. He was born about 1915 in Wisconsin. His parents were "Floyd F." Whitney, born about 1888 in Illinois, a farmer, and his wife Victoria C., born about 1890 in Wisconsin. The children in the family were Elmer W., Dewayne C., Lucile I., Gertrude L., Arland G., John W., and Loraine C., all born in Wisconsin. They were living in Arland Township, Barron County, Wisconsin. | ||
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- [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 16:43, 8 March 2007 (CST) | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 16:43, 8 March 2007 (CST) | ||
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Floyd's father was John Henry Whitney, according to the 1900 census, born Sep 1849 in Nebraska. His wife was Cecelia, b. April 1853 in Wisconsin. John Henry was listed as a Painter. | Floyd's father was John Henry Whitney, according to the 1900 census, born Sep 1849 in Nebraska. His wife was Cecelia, b. April 1853 in Wisconsin. John Henry was listed as a Painter. | ||
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== John Whitney == | == John Whitney == | ||
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− | + | I just found this note in the pierce project. | |
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+ | 4419. JOHN HENRY WHITNEY (George P., William C., Joshua, Daniel, Benjamin, | ||
+ | John, John), b. Oxford. Me., Oct. 16, 1851; m. Apr. 30, 1890 Lulu F. GOHLER; b., May | ||
+ | 7, 1864; res. 26 Lisbon St. Lewiston, Me. s.p. | ||
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+ | John Henry seems to be the thorn in my side. I think HE is the real turnip. | ||
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+ | == John Henry == | ||
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+ | == Another Clue == | ||
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+ | Check this possibility out: | ||
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+ | * http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/AF/individual_record.asp?recid=49733992 | ||
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+ | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 21:09, 13 March 2007 (CDT) | ||
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+ | I suspect I am going to have to do the DNA thing to be sure. I charted out from there on tribalpages and it all seems to work. Gramps says it goes along with what he can remember hearing over the years. Short of spending a summer going back to actual places for verification.. I guess DNA would be the next logical step. | ||
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+ | **http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=:3259905&id=I28635 | ||
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+ | ARGH http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ldshistorical&id=I14635 | ||
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+ | http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ancestorsearchresults.asp | ||
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+ | http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2006296&id=I3122 | ||
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+ | http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ldshistorical&id=I14635 | ||
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+ | Gave my grandfather everything I had put together so far today on his 93rd birthday. He was very pleased. Now I just hope it was right.... | ||
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+ | Per conversation with Grandpa. | ||
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+ | He can not remember his grandparents names. But remembers his father taking trips to Illinois and Iowa to visit what he thinks were his Aunts. Clark Lyman offspring being in both locations tends to back this up.. I would like to find one more source backing up the Clark Lyman to John Henry line. If that is sound then my line seems to be correct to Mary Bray. Also was given an incredible picture of the Robarge family with victoria to her grandparents in one photo.. very cool. | ||
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+ | Gramps cant recall any Whitneys before himself doing anything other than farming. | ||
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+ | == Your Line == | ||
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+ | Aaron: | ||
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+ | Just wanted to let you know that I haven't forgotten about you. I'm currently on vacation and am planning to revisit your line after I return in about a week. | ||
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+ | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 10:51, 19 March 2007 (CDT) | ||
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+ | still stumped | ||
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+ | == Your Line, Round Two == | ||
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+ | Aaron: | ||
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+ | After a long delay, I've finally gotten back to your line. Here's what I have been able to find: | ||
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+ | Here they are in 1930, or at least I think it's them based upon your agreement previously: | ||
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+ | 1930 U.S. Census, Arland Township, Barron County, Wisconsin, p. 3A | ||
+ | 42 42 Whitney F. ?. Head M W 42 M 19 Illinois Wisconsin Wisconsin Farmer, General | ||
+ | -- Victoria C. Wife F W 40 M 17 Wisconsin Canada Canada None | ||
+ | -- Elmer W. Son M W 17 S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin Laborer, Farm | ||
+ | -- Dewayne C. Son M W 15 S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin None | ||
+ | -- Lucile I. Dau F W 10 S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin None | ||
+ | -- Gertrude L. Dau F W 9 S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin None | ||
+ | -- Arland G. Son M W 2 S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin None | ||
+ | -- John W. Son M W 0M S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin None | ||
+ | -- Loraine C. Dau F W 0M S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin None | ||
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+ | I then followed them back in 1910 and 1920: | ||
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+ | 1910 U.S. Census, E. D. 19, Rice Lake Ward 3, Barron County, WI, p. 7B | ||
+ | 134 142 Whitney Floyd Head M W 22 M 3 Illinois Wisconsin Nebraska Laborer, Saw Mill | ||
+ | -- Victoria Wife F W 20 M 3 2 2 Wisconsin Can Can None | ||
+ | -- Marie Dau F W 2 S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin None | ||
+ | -- Dorathy Dau F W 1&1M S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin None | ||
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+ | 1920 U.S. Census, Crystal, Washburn County, Wisconsin, p. 4B | ||
+ | 21 21 Whitney Floyd Head M W 32 M Wisconsin U.S. U.S. Farmer, General Farm | ||
+ | -- Victoria Wife F W 30 M Wisconsin Canada Canada None | ||
+ | -- Marie Dau F W 12 S Wisconsin Wisconsin Wisconsin None | ||
+ | -- Dorotha Dau F W 11 S Wisconsin Wisconsin Wisconsin None | ||
+ | -- Clarence Son M W 9 S Wisconsin Wisconsin Wisconsin None | ||
+ | -- Elmer Son M W 7 S Wisconsin Wisconsin Wisconsin None | ||
+ | -- Du Wayne Son M W 5 S Wisconsin Wisconsin Wisconsin None | ||
+ | Whitney Lucille Dau F W 8M S Wisconsin Wisconsin Wisconsin None | ||
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+ | I was stuck here for a minute until I checked the following online database: | ||
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+ | http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=420angel&id=I974997 | ||
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+ | /John Henry Whitney b: 1853 | ||
+ | /Floyd John Whitney b: 15 Dec 1887 d: 30 Jan 1970 | ||
+ | | \Cecilia Bequette b: 1857 | ||
+ | /Elmer William Whitney b: 28 Jan 1913 d: 15 Jul 1992 | ||
+ | | /George Robarge b: 1864 d: 1925 | ||
+ | \Marie Victoria Rose Robarge b: 6 Mar 1890 d: 8 Jul 1963 | ||
+ | \Emma Bellan b: 1868 d: 1929 | ||
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+ | From this, we see that Floyd's parents are John and Cecilia. I was then able to pick that family up as follows: | ||
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+ | 1900 U.S. Census, Auburn, Chippewa County, WI, p. 24 | ||
+ | 8 8 Whitney John H? Head W M Sep 1847 52 M 28 Nebraska Missouri Massachusetts Painter | ||
+ | -- Celisia E. Wife W F Apr 1853 47 M 28 10 9 Wisconsin Missouri Ohio | ||
+ | -- Clarence Son W M Oct 1881 18 S Wisconsin Nebraska Wisconsin Teamster | ||
+ | -- George Son W M Jun 1884 15 S Wisconsin Nebraska Wisconsin At School | ||
+ | -- Floyd Son W M Dec 1887 12 S Wisconsin Nebraska Wisconsin At School | ||
+ | -- Hazel Dau W F Jul 1892 8 S Wisconsin Nebraska Wisconsin At School | ||
+ | Whitney Howard Son W M Oct 1895 5 S Wisconsin Nebraska Wisconsin | ||
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+ | 1910 U.S. Census, E. D. 18, Rice Lake Ward 2, Barron County, WI, p. 187 | ||
+ | 5 6 Whitney John Head M W 68 M1 38 Kansas U.S. Massachusetts None | ||
+ | -- Celia Wife F W 59 M1 38 9 9 Wisconsin Missouri Ohio None | ||
+ | -- Harry Son M W 27 S Wisconsin Kansas Wisconsin Barber | ||
+ | -- George Son M W 24 S Wisconsin Kansas Wisconsin Laborer, Lumber Yard | ||
+ | -- Howard Son M W 15 S Wisconsin Kansas Wisconsin None | ||
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+ | And now I was stuck again, as the 1890 census was destroyed by fire. Then I noticed that John and Cecilia had been married for 28 years, indicating a marriage date of about 1872, so they should have been married when the 1880 census was taken. Sure enough, here they are: | ||
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+ | 1880 U.S. Census, Alma, Jackson County, WI, p. 8 | ||
+ | 75 80 Whitney John W M 31 Farmer Nebraska New York Conn | ||
+ | -- Celicia W F 26 Wife Keeping House Wisconsin Missouri Ohio | ||
+ | -- Ethel W F 7 Dau " Nebraska Wis | ||
+ | -- Lena W F 5 Dau " " " | ||
+ | -- Inez W F 2 Dau " " " | ||
+ | -- Adeline W F 52 Mother At Home Conn Conn Conn | ||
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+ | Now we know that John was born in Nebraska and that his mother was named Adeline. | ||
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+ | This could be them in 1860: | ||
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+ | 1860 U.S. Census, Black River Falls, Jackson Co., WI, p. 1065 | ||
+ | 107 94 Adaline Whitney 34 F Washwoman 80 Connecticut | ||
+ | John " 12 M Iowa | ||
+ | James " 8 M " | ||
+ | Joseph " 6 M Michigan | ||
+ | 108 95 Rhoda Whitney 35 F Washwoman 75 Connecticut | ||
+ | Henry " 19 M Laborer Iowa | ||
+ | George " 11 M Arkansas | ||
+ | Rhoda " 7 F Michigan | ||
+ | David M. " 4 M " | ||
+ | Nancy Richardson 72 F Massachusetts | ||
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+ | Well, I started from the beginning and came full circle, back to the identification we had the first time. I think Robert Ward found the right family - see http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/AF/family_group_record.asp?familyid=12907011&frompage=0. So it appears that John was the son of early Mormons who lived in Illinois, Iowa and then Wisconsin. The father Clark Lyman Whitney died in 1851 and his ''two wives'' Adeline and Rhoda were living next door to each other (I suspect it was a single house though) in Wisconsin in 1860. You can find quite a bit by searching Google for "Clark Lyman Whitney" (include the quotes in the search). | ||
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+ | Take a look at http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/AF/pedigree_view.asp?recid=49733992&frompage=0 for John's ancestry. | ||
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+ | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] - [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 09:18, 21 December 2007 (CST) | ||
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+ | Thank you so much. It got REALLY hard to navigate through the Adeline and Rhoda situation. I was 99% sure I was on the right track and in the same line you came up with, but kept running into conflicts. It looks like those two married the same man again when Clark Lyman died. I am pleased.. the tree that I gave my grandfather is correct then.. lol Thank you SO much. This has been a lot of fun. I keep learning more and more. |
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Your Lineage
Aaron:
I think I found your grandfather Dewayne C. Whitney on the 1930 census. He was born about 1915 in Wisconsin. His parents were "Floyd F." Whitney, born about 1888 in Illinois, a farmer, and his wife Victoria C., born about 1890 in Wisconsin. The children in the family were Elmer W., Dewayne C., Lucile I., Gertrude L., Arland G., John W., and Loraine C., all born in Wisconsin. They were living in Arland Township, Barron County, Wisconsin.
- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 16:43, 8 March 2007 (CST)
Victoria Robarge
If this is your family, I believe this is your great grandmother's lineage:
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=craigsharrow&id=I689558&style=TEXT
and here's a pedigree for your uncle Elmer:
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=420angel&id=I974997
You are right on the money!!! That was a ton of info very fast. THANK YOU!
John Henry Whitney
Floyd's father was John Henry Whitney, according to the 1900 census, born Sep 1849 in Nebraska. His wife was Cecelia, b. April 1853 in Wisconsin. John Henry was listed as a Painter.
John Whitney
I just found John & Cecelia Whitney on the 1880 census. Living with them was his mother, Adeline Whitney. This should allow me to trace him back further... hang tight...
- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 20:17, 8 March 2007 (CST)
I just found this note in the pierce project.
4419. JOHN HENRY WHITNEY (George P., William C., Joshua, Daniel, Benjamin, John, John), b. Oxford. Me., Oct. 16, 1851; m. Apr. 30, 1890 Lulu F. GOHLER; b., May 7, 1864; res. 26 Lisbon St. Lewiston, Me. s.p.
John Henry seems to be the thorn in my side. I think HE is the real turnip.
"
John Henry
Another Clue
Check this possibility out:
- Robert - Talk to me 21:09, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
I suspect I am going to have to do the DNA thing to be sure. I charted out from there on tribalpages and it all seems to work. Gramps says it goes along with what he can remember hearing over the years. Short of spending a summer going back to actual places for verification.. I guess DNA would be the next logical step.
ARGH http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ldshistorical&id=I14635
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ancestorsearchresults.asp
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2006296&id=I3122
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ldshistorical&id=I14635
Gave my grandfather everything I had put together so far today on his 93rd birthday. He was very pleased. Now I just hope it was right....
Per conversation with Grandpa.
He can not remember his grandparents names. But remembers his father taking trips to Illinois and Iowa to visit what he thinks were his Aunts. Clark Lyman offspring being in both locations tends to back this up.. I would like to find one more source backing up the Clark Lyman to John Henry line. If that is sound then my line seems to be correct to Mary Bray. Also was given an incredible picture of the Robarge family with victoria to her grandparents in one photo.. very cool.
Gramps cant recall any Whitneys before himself doing anything other than farming.
Your Line
Aaron:
Just wanted to let you know that I haven't forgotten about you. I'm currently on vacation and am planning to revisit your line after I return in about a week.
- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 10:51, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
still stumped
Your Line, Round Two
Aaron:
After a long delay, I've finally gotten back to your line. Here's what I have been able to find:
Here they are in 1930, or at least I think it's them based upon your agreement previously:
1930 U.S. Census, Arland Township, Barron County, Wisconsin, p. 3A 42 42 Whitney F. ?. Head M W 42 M 19 Illinois Wisconsin Wisconsin Farmer, General -- Victoria C. Wife F W 40 M 17 Wisconsin Canada Canada None -- Elmer W. Son M W 17 S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin Laborer, Farm -- Dewayne C. Son M W 15 S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin None -- Lucile I. Dau F W 10 S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin None -- Gertrude L. Dau F W 9 S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin None -- Arland G. Son M W 2 S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin None -- John W. Son M W 0M S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin None -- Loraine C. Dau F W 0M S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin None
I then followed them back in 1910 and 1920:
1910 U.S. Census, E. D. 19, Rice Lake Ward 3, Barron County, WI, p. 7B 134 142 Whitney Floyd Head M W 22 M 3 Illinois Wisconsin Nebraska Laborer, Saw Mill -- Victoria Wife F W 20 M 3 2 2 Wisconsin Can Can None -- Marie Dau F W 2 S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin None -- Dorathy Dau F W 1&1M S Wisconsin Illinois Wisconsin None
1920 U.S. Census, Crystal, Washburn County, Wisconsin, p. 4B 21 21 Whitney Floyd Head M W 32 M Wisconsin U.S. U.S. Farmer, General Farm -- Victoria Wife F W 30 M Wisconsin Canada Canada None -- Marie Dau F W 12 S Wisconsin Wisconsin Wisconsin None -- Dorotha Dau F W 11 S Wisconsin Wisconsin Wisconsin None -- Clarence Son M W 9 S Wisconsin Wisconsin Wisconsin None -- Elmer Son M W 7 S Wisconsin Wisconsin Wisconsin None -- Du Wayne Son M W 5 S Wisconsin Wisconsin Wisconsin None Whitney Lucille Dau F W 8M S Wisconsin Wisconsin Wisconsin None
I was stuck here for a minute until I checked the following online database:
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=420angel&id=I974997
/John Henry Whitney b: 1853 /Floyd John Whitney b: 15 Dec 1887 d: 30 Jan 1970 | \Cecilia Bequette b: 1857 /Elmer William Whitney b: 28 Jan 1913 d: 15 Jul 1992 | /George Robarge b: 1864 d: 1925 \Marie Victoria Rose Robarge b: 6 Mar 1890 d: 8 Jul 1963 \Emma Bellan b: 1868 d: 1929
From this, we see that Floyd's parents are John and Cecilia. I was then able to pick that family up as follows:
1900 U.S. Census, Auburn, Chippewa County, WI, p. 24 8 8 Whitney John H? Head W M Sep 1847 52 M 28 Nebraska Missouri Massachusetts Painter -- Celisia E. Wife W F Apr 1853 47 M 28 10 9 Wisconsin Missouri Ohio -- Clarence Son W M Oct 1881 18 S Wisconsin Nebraska Wisconsin Teamster -- George Son W M Jun 1884 15 S Wisconsin Nebraska Wisconsin At School -- Floyd Son W M Dec 1887 12 S Wisconsin Nebraska Wisconsin At School -- Hazel Dau W F Jul 1892 8 S Wisconsin Nebraska Wisconsin At School Whitney Howard Son W M Oct 1895 5 S Wisconsin Nebraska Wisconsin
1910 U.S. Census, E. D. 18, Rice Lake Ward 2, Barron County, WI, p. 187 5 6 Whitney John Head M W 68 M1 38 Kansas U.S. Massachusetts None -- Celia Wife F W 59 M1 38 9 9 Wisconsin Missouri Ohio None -- Harry Son M W 27 S Wisconsin Kansas Wisconsin Barber -- George Son M W 24 S Wisconsin Kansas Wisconsin Laborer, Lumber Yard -- Howard Son M W 15 S Wisconsin Kansas Wisconsin None
And now I was stuck again, as the 1890 census was destroyed by fire. Then I noticed that John and Cecilia had been married for 28 years, indicating a marriage date of about 1872, so they should have been married when the 1880 census was taken. Sure enough, here they are:
1880 U.S. Census, Alma, Jackson County, WI, p. 8
75 80 Whitney John W M 31 Farmer Nebraska New York Conn -- Celicia W F 26 Wife Keeping House Wisconsin Missouri Ohio -- Ethel W F 7 Dau " Nebraska Wis -- Lena W F 5 Dau " " " -- Inez W F 2 Dau " " " -- Adeline W F 52 Mother At Home Conn Conn Conn
Now we know that John was born in Nebraska and that his mother was named Adeline.
This could be them in 1860:
1860 U.S. Census, Black River Falls, Jackson Co., WI, p. 1065 107 94 Adaline Whitney 34 F Washwoman 80 Connecticut John " 12 M Iowa James " 8 M " Joseph " 6 M Michigan 108 95 Rhoda Whitney 35 F Washwoman 75 Connecticut Henry " 19 M Laborer Iowa George " 11 M Arkansas Rhoda " 7 F Michigan David M. " 4 M " Nancy Richardson 72 F Massachusetts
Well, I started from the beginning and came full circle, back to the identification we had the first time. I think Robert Ward found the right family - see http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/AF/family_group_record.asp?familyid=12907011&frompage=0. So it appears that John was the son of early Mormons who lived in Illinois, Iowa and then Wisconsin. The father Clark Lyman Whitney died in 1851 and his two wives Adeline and Rhoda were living next door to each other (I suspect it was a single house though) in Wisconsin in 1860. You can find quite a bit by searching Google for "Clark Lyman Whitney" (include the quotes in the search).
Take a look at http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/AF/pedigree_view.asp?recid=49733992&frompage=0 for John's ancestry.
- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 09:18, 21 December 2007 (CST)
Thank you so much. It got REALLY hard to navigate through the Adeline and Rhoda situation. I was 99% sure I was on the right track and in the same line you came up with, but kept running into conflicts. It looks like those two married the same man again when Clark Lyman died. I am pleased.. the tree that I gave my grandfather is correct then.. lol Thank you SO much. This has been a lot of fun. I keep learning more and more.