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"Need their own pages"

Theresa,

Thanks for registering and joining the Whitney Research Group (WRG). Thanks also for posting your lineage. I have taken the liberty of adding further generations and supplying links from the lineage page to family group pages, where they have been created, for your Whitney ancestors.

As to why the note about the sons who need their own pages, it is a note to us who maintain the website that we have enough information about these men to make pages for which they are the heads of households. On those pages we will put that further data, including lists of their children, references to them in census records, references, and so on. There will be links from Francis Tufts Whitney's page to each of their own pages, and vice versa.

The rest of the information you have put on the Family_Talk: page, I have moved to your User: page. I suggest you delete detailed information about living people, for reasons of privacy and identity theft prevention.

If there is anything I can do to help further, please feel free to contact me.

- Robert Ward - Talk to me 17:35, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

Default User Page

Theresa,

Your default user page always was a user page. When you registered and it was created, certain information was put on it in order to provide instructions on how to customize it with your own information. That is the "default" part. Now your information is there, which I moved from Francis Tufts Whitney's Family_Talk page, and that replaces those instructions.

- Robert Ward - Talk to me 05:23, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

Thomas Whitney Wiki Page

Theresa,

If you look at the bottom of that page, you'll see that what is there was taken from our Whitney Research Group page for Thomas Whitney three years ago. (At least they gave us credit, instead of just stealing it!) Instead of using that, use our page at Family:Whitney, Thomas (s1550-1637). That is the current, approved, and authoritative version.

- Robert Ward - Talk to me 05:26, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

Other Web Sites

Theresa,

You asked about

http://thepeerage.com/p33410.htm#i334091

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_family_tree

I can't see any connection between this Ford family and our Whitney family. Letty Ford who married John³ Whitney is not known to be related. Henry Ford's family came from England in the 1800's, but Letty's family were in Maine by the 1600's.

John² Whitney did marry Ruth Reynolds. It was his father John¹ Whitney who married Elinor -----. Benjamin² Whitney was son of the latter couple, not the former. See their pages for details.

There is a lot of false information on-line. Please be careful. Use information which is sourced, and which uses reliable sources. If there is no source information, treat it as clue material only (at best). For Whitney families, we believe that the Whitney Research Group site is authoritative, and anything which contradicts it should be questioned, if not dismissed.

- Robert Ward - Talk to me 03:41, 20 June 2012 (CDT)

Grosvenor

Theresa,

Sorry, but I'm too busy with other projects to spend any time on your Grosvenor information. The names you cite are rather common, both given names and surnames, so it is not surprising to find them in any two families.

- Robert Ward - Talk to me 03:43, 20 June 2012 (CDT)

Ford

Theresa,

Gerald Rudolph Ford, Sr., was son of George Rufus Ford and his wife Zana Frances Pixley, grandson of Henry Thomas Ford and his wife Margaret Ann Stewart, and great-grandson of William Ford and his wife Harriet. William Ford was born 1801 in England and died 1854 in Ohio. If there are connections between these Ford families, they must be in England, and not recent.

This is another side issue to which I cannot afford to devote attention at this time. Ask me a Whitney question, and I would be more willing to look into that.

- Robert Ward - Talk to me 12:32, 20 June 2012 (CDT)

Another Grosvenor/Whitney Marriage. And Baldwin is also mentioned... these families are long related... and intertwined.

A Note for Future Reference-

A Bookmark of sorts, from this WRG site, for my own memory and anyone elses.

http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney,_Andrew_(1754-1818)

18.^ "Sally [Whitney], d, Andrew and Lucy, [born] June 4, 1803," according to Princeton Vital Records.

19.^ "Sally [Whitney] of Worcester, and Rev. David A. Grovesnor, int. Apr. 5, 1835," according to Thomas W. Baldwin, ed., Vital Records of Uxbridge, Massachusetts, to the Year 1850 (Boston, MA: 1916).

20.^ "Sally [Whitney], and Rev. David-A. Grosvenor of Uxbridge, [married] May 5, 1835," according to Franklin P. Rice, ed., Worcester Births, Marriages and Deaths. (Births 1714-1848; Marriages 1747-1848; Deaths, 1826-1848), Collections of the Worcester Society of Antiquity, vol. 12 (1894).

Edit 24.06.2012 > More Intertwined Families >

http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/names98.htm#WHITNEY http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/names39.htm#GROSVENOR http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/names82.htm#SEARLE http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/names84.htm#SMITH http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/names102.htm#YOUNG http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/names33.htm#FORD http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/names10.htm#BRAY http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/names1.htm#ANDREWS http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/names54.htm#KENNEDY http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/names13.htm#BURT http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/names13.htm#BUSH http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/names94.htm#WALDO http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/names88.htm#STINCHFIELD http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/names88.htm#STONE http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/names88.htm#STEWART http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/names8.htm#BLUNT http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/b173.htm#P41180 Blunt (probably Blount, which is why they haven´t gotten to any siblings...) and Clark connction, again. Seen a few times in my Grosvenor line. http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/names10.htm#BOYLSTON

I´m JUST saying...

Ford/Ayer/Whitney connection

here for my own future reference >

http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney,_Joseph_(1770-1858) married 2nd- Sarah Ayer.

Also, Families Davis, Whitney, John II, Poore, Andrews ect. The Grosvenors in my line are connected to Ursula Blount (m. Gentleman William Gravenor approx. 16 Nov. 1590 in Shropshire, England. William´s Testament was composed 28 December 1599.)

And here is an Elizabeth Blount conncected to Sir Andrew de Windsor. again... these families are intertwined... http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/o/l/Peter-S-Bolster/GENE6-0022.html

Warrinar/Warriner - Ball - Gardner - Strong - Ford Families connected again here >

http://minerdescent.com/2010/08/26/william-warriner/

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/o/l/Peter-S-Bolster/GENE6-0022.html

!!!!!!! NEW ADDITONS !!!!!!!

Gerald Ford, Jr., 38th President of the United States is your 9th cousin thrice removed.

You/Me

→

Linda Sue Cox your mother

→

Gladys Mae (Kelley/adopted-Payne) m. Lockwood then, Tyler her mother

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Vivian Lucille Kelley/Payne(Cromer) her mother

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Floyd Cromer her father

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William Harrison Cromer his father

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Harrison Cromer his father

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Sarah Cromer (Covalt) his mother

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Timothy Covalt her father

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Abraham Covalt Colt his father

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Abraham Covalt (Colt II) his father

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Abraham Colt, Jr. his father

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Abraham Colt 1666 his father

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John Colt, Sr., Capt. his father

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John Colt, Jr., Capt. his son

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Mary Colt, his daughter

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Abner Comstock her son

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Anselm Comstock his son

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Elizabeth Butler his daughter

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George Butler her son

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Amy Ayer his daughter

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Adele Gardner her daughter

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Dorothy Ford her daughter

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Gerald Ford, Jr., 38th President of the United States her son

All US Presidents are related- here´s the proof! If I am related to John Adams and George H. W. Bush THEN,

well, THEN... we are related to ALL of the Presidents in some manner AND to the Monarchs of England and France.

I am so gut feeling certain, that here in their ancestry, is where we will find our Thomas Whitney´s parentage. As continually noted, these families are intertwined, from England to the Americas and beyond... for hundreds of years... and on more than one occasion, multiple Whitney´s married into multiple Adams, Ford, Kennedy, Waldo, Smith, Grosvenor families... as well as, the other way around... reoccuring... over hundreds of years through and with diverse branches. Somewhere, there is a sister of Thomas or a cousin of Thomas in here, with a connection we can make... to clear our Thomas Whitney´s parentage and more...

Here´s some information, that EVEN the MOST PROFESSIONAL GENEALOGISTS have "overlooked" in previous years... it took a 12 year old GIRL, named BridgeAnne d´Avingnion...from California, to figure it out. lol!

We (I and my Whitney/Grosvenor line) are descendants of Henry Adams- 2x Great Grandfather of John Adams, Samuel Adams Jr. and John Quincy Adams. Through the marriage of Rebecca Waldo (dau. of Susanna Adams and Daniel Waldo) and Capt. Leicester Grosvenor Sr.. As well as through the Whitney Family and Adams marriages. So, on BOTH sides.

John Quincy Adams (descendant of Edward III of England)[citation needed] (Chart 2 alongside) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_III_of_England

And therefore, I believe, I´ve got it!

Here one can follow our line, though the Presidents of the United States.

http://www.google.de/imgres?q=picture+of+BridgeAnne+d%27Avignon%C2%B4s+family+tree&hl=de&client=firefox-a&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&biw=840&bih=486&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=Ll8m-g8pBU8DwM:&imgrefurl=http://wakeup-world.com/2011/07/04/are-all-but-one-us-presidents-related/&docid=S3P0kiZlVoXOAM&imgurl=http://wakeup-world.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/presidents_2009_2.jpg&w=400&h=361&ei=LMrkT966H8aQswampsydCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=412&vpy=114&dur=1269&hovh=213&hovw=236&tx=131&ty=89&sig=108668255800350130630&page=8&tbnh=139&tbnw=147&start=78&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:78,i:339

There is also, George H. W. Bush & James Garfield, through our "Whitney" line. And as mentioned in my comments ABOVE this entry... FORD, is in question as well as Kennedy and Roosevelt.

Seeing as all of these Presidents are descendants of King John "Lackland" Plantagenet (a really, not very nice guy...And my 24th Great Grandfather through my Cromer Covault Risely lines. and Henry III of England.), who is the Ancestor of King Henry III as well as Edward the I, II and III and therefore, RELATED...

And The Bush Family is also related to all of the British Monarchs as well as 20 of it´s Dukes.

"Bush is closely related to the king of Albania and has kinship with every member of the British royal family and the House of Windsor. He is related to 20 British Dukes, the 13th cousin of Britain’s Queen Mother, and of her daughter Queen Elizabeth. He is 13th cousin once removed from Prince Charles and has direct descent from King Henry III, Charles II, and Edward I of England. Through the House of Windsor and King Henry III, the Bush’s and Bill Clinton are genetically related as well."

That should pretty much, clear up and solidify... any questions to our relation to his Highness the 6th Duke of Westminster.(Grosvenor)

(our Whitneys most likely migrated from Whitney to Westminster, as well.)

p.s. it is now, also known, that ALL of the Presidents of the United States of America, are related to one another, as well as to the House of England.

http://www.google.de/imgres?q=picture+of+BridgeAnne+d%27Avignon%C2%B4s+family+tree&hl=de&client=firefox-a&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla%3Ade%3Aofficial&biw=840&bih=486&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=ds_oxw0q2TdLFM%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGenealogical_relationships_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States&docid=EsEGjLI2WHT_DM&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fthumb%2F3%2F30%2FDescent_of_U.S._Presidents_from_English_Royalty.png%2F220px-Descent_of_U.S._Presidents_from_English_Royalty.png&w=220&h=224&ei=LMrkT966H8aQswampsydCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=273&vpy=176&dur=1716&hovh=179&hovw=176&tx=124&ty=75&sig=108668255800350130630&page=6&tbnh=146&tbnw=141&start=55&ndsp=12&ved=1t%3A429%2Cr%3A1%2Cs%3A55%2Ci%3A259

Just my thoughts... for me, myself and I and anyone else, who may be interested.

Here is a GRAND LINK!!! With ALL of the Family Trees of the US Presidents, under their individual names. Total overview! All connected. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nplunkett/pres.html

Also a connection to Henry III and King Edward I, II, III through my Paternal family and surnames "TOSAS-PUIG" > http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/b309.htm#P51513

There is a mention by Charles II about his sister´s affairs which regards them as "Good stuff" for William Shakespeare´s Works"... so, I looked up William Shakespeare´s biography. His wife was an- Anne HATHAWAY... ringing any bells here, folks? lol!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Hathaway_(Shakespeare)

His mother- Mary Arden > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Shakespeare

"Mary Arden’s House in Wilmcote. Mary Shakespeare (born Arden; * in 1540 in Stratford-upon-Avon; buried 9. September 1608 ebenda) was the Mother of William Shakespeares.

Mary Arden was born the youngest of eight daughters of Robert Ardens. Born into a Catholic Family. After the death of her father in 1556 she inherited with 16years of age the House and Land in Wilmcote, Warwickshire. Which stands today as „Palmer’s Farm“ ). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare

English County Histories by Aubrey unfished but, worked - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_county_histories

FREEMAN HINCKLEY WHITNEY! 2x! Not only did Mercy Nancy Hinckley marry Benjamin Whitney.

But Eliza Whitney also, married her cousin > 24. JESSE WORLEY8 HINCKLEY (JOSEPH WOOSTER7, GIDEON6, SETH5, SAMUEL4, SAMUEL3, THOMAS2, SAMUEL1) was born 03 Apr 1801 in Brunswick, Cumberland, ME, and died 26 Nov 1877. He married ELIZA WHITNEY 26 Aug 1824 in Androscoggin, ME, daughter of SAMUEL WHITNEY and LYDIA CURIT. She was born 25 Sep 1802 in Brunswick, Cumberland, ME, and died 15 Nov 1871 in Rosendale, WI. And here´s the Entire connection to Us, in our Whitney line (JOHN) as well as, between President Barack Obama and former President George W. Bush.

Glad it only took me 2 years! lol!

24. JESSE WORLEY8 HINCKLEY (JOSEPH WOOSTER7, GIDEON6, SETH5, SAMUEL4, SAMUEL3, THOMAS2, SAMUEL1) was born 03 Apr 1801 in Brunswick, Cumberland, ME, and died 26 Nov 1877. He married ELIZA WHITNEY 26 Aug 1824 in Androscoggin, ME, daughter of SAMUEL WHITNEY and LYDIA CURIT. She was born 25 Sep 1802 in Brunswick, Cumberland, ME, and died 15 Nov 1871 in Rosendale, WI.

Our Relationship

Theresa,

Through the Whitney family, we are eighth cousins twice removed, and also eleventh cousins. This is because I have two lines of descent from John¹ Whitney of Watertown, MA, and you have one. It is very possible (maybe even likely) we have other common ancestral families, too. You can see my pedigree charts starting at

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzetkjpc/robertlward/charts/index.html

- Robert Ward - Talk to me 16:52, 23 June 2012 (CDT)

Parentage of Thomas Whitney of Westminster

Theresa,

I saw what you added to [[Family Talk:Whitney, Thomas (s1550-1637)]]. The information you found on line is wrong. See John Whitney's English Ancestry, an essay by me on that subject. I will delete what you wrote, since we don't want wrong information on our web site. There are experts combing records in England to try to find the parentage of Thomas. There are several theories, all plausible, but none with proof. What we can prove is that Robert Whitney and Elizabeth Guillims Morgan were NOT his parents: they were too young.

I repeat, "There is a lot of false information on-line. Please be careful. Use information which is sourced, and which uses reliable sources. If there is no source information, treat it as clue material only (at best). For Whitney families, we believe that the Whitney Research Group site is authoritative, and anything which contradicts it should be questioned, if not dismissed." If you had read the essay above on the WRG website, you might not have fallen into that trap.

- Robert Ward - Talk to me 03:57, 24 June 2012 (CDT)

Eli Whitney is said to NOT be related within the first 10 pages of the digitilaized version of the Whitney History of CT

But, I´m getting this path match on him... through one of my public family trees.

Eli Whitney, Jr. is your fifth cousin 6 times removed.

You

  →  Linda Sue Cox 

your mother → Gladys Mae Kelley her mother → Vivian Kelley her mother → Floyd Cromer her father → Elizabeth Cromer his mother → Araminta Grosvenor her mother → Francis Tufts Whitney her father → Joseph Whitney his father → Benjamin Whitney his father → John Whitney his father → Benjamin Whitney his father → John Whitney, Jr his brother → Nathaniel Whitney, I his son → Nathaniel Whitney, II his son → Nathaniel Whitney, III his son → Eli Whitney, Sr. his son → Eli Whitney, Jr. his son

• notes to myself... but if anyone would like to chime in, you´re quite Welcome! ;-)

Eli Whitney, Jr. Place of Burial: Grove Street Cemetery, New Haven, CT Birth: December 8, 1765 Westborough, Worcester, Massachusetts, United States Death: January 8, 1825 (59) New Haven, CT, United States Immediate Family: Son of Eli Whitney, Sr. and Elizabeth Whitney (Fay) Husband of Henrietta Whitney Father of Frances Whitney; Elizabeth Whitney; Eli Whitney, III and Susan Whitney Brother of Elizabeth Whitney; Benjamin Whitney and Josiah Whitney

Using the Talk Pages

Theresa,

I see that you recently posted on Family Talk:Whitney, Robert (s1525-1567) and on Family Talk:Whitney, John (1592-1673). You should realize that your messages will probably not be seen by many there. Such questions are better sent by e-mail to the Whitney Research Group mailing list. The address is <[email protected]>. There they would be seen by all who subscribe, which is a much larger audience. Instead of making the users find your message, and pull it from that page, you would be pushing it out to all of them, so it appears in their e-mail in-boxes.

In response to the former Talk page, I have several things to say.

First of all, Thomas Whitney of Westminster, gent., was never knighted, and so to call him "Sir Thomas" is incorrect.

Secondly, Sir Robert Whitney's second wife was probably past menopause when they were married, hence no children from that union.

Thirdly, we don't know if the family as given is complete. The records simply don't exist to prove or disprove that. We can be quite certain, however, that all the legitimate children who lived to maturity are in that list, because of the visitation pedigrees. The information in them was used to identify people who were entitled to bear the Whitney coat of arms (with or without differences), and so needed to be complete enough for that purpose. They may also have been used for other purposes of inheritance, and hence accuracy was important. Furthermore, they were compiled during the life of his children, so the information would have been gotten from those who knew the facts.

Fourthly, no progress has been made with regard to the parentage of Thomas Whitney of Westminster. It seems probable that he was somehow related to the Whitneys of Whitney, Herefordshire, but the connection, if any, still eludes us, and may never be known.

Fifthly, the general associations of various families with each other is very weak evidence of any relationships. Specific, verifiable proof is what is needed.

I recommend that you delete what you wrote on that page, or, if you prefer, give me permission to, and I'll do so myself.

In response to the latter Talk page, I have entered my comments at the beginning of that page. The website tudorplace.com shouldn't be trusted, since it doesn't give any sources for its information. Treat it as clue material, to be independently verified from documented and reliable information.

Once again, I recommend that you delete what you wrote on that page, or, if you prefer, give me permission to, and I'll do so myself.

- Robert Ward - Talk to me 03:27, 29 March 2013 (CDT)

Possible New User

Theresa,

If you can contact her, please tell Kathy Dehen to send me e-mail requesting to be added as a member. My address is Robert (at) RLWard (dot) com. Thanks!

- Robert Ward - Talk to me 05:12, 1 April 2013 (CDT)