Mailing List Discussions, August 1997

From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:05:11 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Maryland Whitney

Question: Has any of the Maryland Whitney's ever been linked to Whitney's from Virginia.....or Bermuda????

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From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 22:22:42 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Benjamin Whitney

Hello All;

Allan wrote about the line of Benjamin Whitney, I looked him up in Pierce and found the following:

Thomas Whitney (Thomas, John), b. Watertown, Aug. 24, 1656; m. Jan. 29, 1679 Elizabeth Lawrence, b. Feb. 30, 1659; d. in Bolton Feb. 8, 1741.

 He resided in Watertown, Stow and Lancaster, in that part incorporated

later as Bolton. He bought 11 1/2 acres in Cambridge of A. Rowse, Mar. 10, 1679. Witness Geo. Laurence, his father-in-law. In Feb. 1681, Geo. and Elizabeth Laurence gave to son and dau., Thomas and Elizabeth Whitney, land by deed. Feb. 24, 1682, he bought 60 acres at Pompascitticut, now Stow, where his first five children were born, as by the county returns in the clerk's office in E. Cambridge. In 1719 he bought fo L300 52 acres in Lancaster. Feb. 26, 1721, he deeded one half his purchase, with buildings(the household) to his son John, of "Stow and now designed to remove to Lancaster," partly by gift and partly by sale, and in this document mentions all his children, except Thomas, to whom he made a gift of 21 acres in Stow Nov. 6, 1711, and Benjamin, who had also probably received a gift from his father. He was as soldier in King Phillips war, and was in the garrison at Lancaster Oct. 19, 1675.

 He d. Apr. 12, 1742; res. Watertown, Stow, Lancaster and Bolton, Mass.
  "Children"

i. Thomas, b. Sept. 17, 1681; m. Mary Baker. ii. Elizabeth, b. Feb. 16, 1682. iii John, b. May 13, 1684; m. Elizabeth Barnard iv Mary, b. Jan. 13, 1685. v. Benjamin, b. Oct. 7, 1687; m. Sarah Barrett and Abigail Bridge. vi. Nathan, b. Nov. 18, 1689; m. Mary Holman. vii. Susanna, b.____; named in her fathers will. viii. Abigail, b._____; m. in Lancaster Feb. 27, 1723, Jonathan Rand, of Stow.

end Pierce

I suspect that the last three children were born in Lancaster, I found marriage records for Nathan(iell) and Mary Holman, and Abigail and Jonathan Rand in our Lancaster VR's, I also noticed that the Lancaster VR's contain no entries for the 1600's.

I have corrected the confusing entry cocerning Elizabeth Lawrence's "Unknown" spouse, I checked the original database from Jerry Whitney and he had only Thomas as her spouse, blame it on an errant merge.

Keep in touch

Jon Aston

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From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 14:17:56 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Benjamin Whitney

I am trying to trace back my line of whitneys.So far I have only gotten to mygreat grandfather Arthur E. Whitney either from Fitchburg or Weston Mass. He was married to Annie or Anna C SmithHe was probably born about the 1860's He had a son John Smith Whitney b. 5-24-1889 and a daughter Grace Myrtie whitney b. 4-24-1893. Anyone out there with info. Please E-mail me at Bumb [email protected]

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 18:57:42 -0400 From: Bert Smith <[email protected]> Subject: Listowner? To: Whitney <[email protected]>

Do we have a "listowner" since we moved to roots-web?

What has happened to Michael?

I need help.

I have tried repeatedly for the last two months to unsubscribe Whitney-L so I can re-sub to Whitney-D. I have sent many unsub messages the request address and they always come back saying that I'm not subscribed. The problem is that I have changed e-mail addresses; I can still receive but not send mail with my old address. I need a "list owner" to intercede on my behalf.

Can anyone help?

Bert Smith, [email protected] on the list as 102513.3332@ Compuserve.Com

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From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 20:08:48 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Ezra Slack WHITNEY>Henry Edward WHITNEY>Louise Hunt WHITNEY

Trying to locate info and ancestry on Ezra Slack Whitney B.1808 married to Lydia Dutcher>Henry Edward Whitney D. 1896 married to Helen Camden Lester>Louise Hunt Whitney (other siblings of Louise: Richard,Josephine,Helen and Harold). I know Louise was born Brooklyn, N.Y. and have reason to believe the most of them are from there. Does ANYONE have info on this line and who they connect with??? I'm at a loss!! Anything appreciated!!! Laurie ( [email protected] )

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 21:20:21 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Australian Whitneys To: ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Hello everyone! I got this message from Australia today & thought I'd pass it along. Contact Beryce directly. <rfwhussnternet.com.au>

How does one join again??? I was subscribed in advance & don't know how to tell anyone how to do it!

>>My name is Beryce Kerr. I am at present living in Sydney in the suburb of Ashfield, New South Wales, Australia. My birthplace was Rockhampton, Queensland. Australia. My reason for this message is that I read your home page whilst scanning internet and read your genealogical pursuit of Benjamin Whitney with interest.

My great Grandfather was WILLIAM WHITNEY and he was born in HUNTINGDONSHIRE, ENGLAND on llth August 1840. He died on 14th September, 1922 in Queensland, Australia.

He married a MARTHA PEDWELL who was born in 1851 in Somersetshire England and she passed away at the age of 54 years in 1905.

The marriage produced two daughters, Selina and Sarah and sons named George, Alfred and Charles. I think I have the male names correct.

My grandmother was SARAH WHITNEY who later became SARAH PACKMAN.

We are supposed to have American relations by the name of Whitney and somewhere in my mother's photo album there are some photos to verify this.

I do not know if any of this relevant to your search but it could be to someone else.

Good luck in your endeavours.

I remain, BERYCE B. KERR rfwhussnternet.com.au<<

-) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse

Sent on: 8/2/97

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Always looking for information on the surnames: WHITNEY, GOLDSMITH, MUSE, REED

See my Roots Home Page at this URL: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jwmuse/roots.htm

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 01:58:13 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: The family of Elnathan and Sarah Whitney

Dear WRG:

As often is the case, I start out writing to one person, and then decide later to send it out to everyone, in hopes that more possibilities of assistance will resolve problems more accurately. I had started out writing to Peg Sanborn to check on a possible error in the transcription of the Waltham Vital Records. This stems from Jon Aston's recent posting on the family of Elnathan and Sarah (Perry) Whitney, which includes the elusive Ebenezer who may well be the one who migrated to North Carolina, as per Jerry McClure's interest. Robert Ward has clarified the question of this Ebenezer NOT being the one who married Abigail Brown, which actually may make it a little bit easier for him to be the one who removed to NC, since we now do not have to account for whatever might have happened to the New England wife we previously thought he had.

However, while working on the sourcing of the material that can be found in Whitny12 on this family, I discovered some interesting problems that led to my thinking that maybe Peg, or the NEHGS typist, or Pierce had made an error, either in the transcription and extraction of Whitneys from the VRs or in the names and dates somehow. My first task was to find the location of the birth of Elnathan & Sarah's children before they came to Waltham - it was in Watertown (thanks to Robert Ward). I could not, however, find the record of the birth of the first Elnathan who appears in the database as born 8 Mar 1728/9. Then I discovered an entry in the Watertown Vital Records for the death of an Elnathan Whitney (son of Thomas and Mary (Kedall) Whitney) on exactly the same date that the elusive first child (Elnathan) of Elnathan and Sarah - 8 Mar 1727/28/29. What I suspect may have happened is that Pierce (or someone more recently) came upon the death notice (which appears on p. 84 or the 3rd book in the Watertown Record as 1727/8) and took it for a birth and when this turned out to be only 6-1/2 months after Elnathan & Sarah's marriage, "corrected" it to 1728/9 and "assigned" it to Elnathan and Sarah, whose (supposedly) second son John shows up a few pages later (p. 91) The identical dates (seemingly) a year apart seem to me to be too much of a coincidence. Is there any way to raise the level of my conjecture on this to the level of documentable conclusion? Again, Robert Ward (5-gen, # 170) seems to agree with this as he has John listed as the first child.

This brings me to the next question. The sons John, Aaron and Samuel (b. 1736) all turn up in the Watertown Records. The Waltham Records pick up with the birth of an Elnathan Whitney and an Ebenezer Whitny, both born on March 19, 1738/9. There then is another Elnathan Whitney born March 18, 1741/2.

This would lead to the conclusion that the first Elnathan and Ebenezer were

twins - or, was the first entry for an Elnathan on the earlier date a mistranscription. I tend to think not, as Ebenezer would have turned up earlier in the alphabetization, and the two Elnathans are contiguous but come after four other names that would have stood between an Ebenezer and an Elnathan in alphabetic sequence. Thus, I am reasonably certain that they were twins, and that the first Elnathan died sometime in the space of time between March 19 1738/9 and the other date three years later. I hasten to admit that this is NOT supported by the Waltham record of Whitney deaths.

There are entries for the death of Samuel Whitney, son of Elnathan and Sarah

(Dec. 28 1751), and for Sarah herself in Oct. 22, 1756, but no entry for the death of the first Elnathan. Curiously, there is an entry for the death of an Eleazor Whitney on June 10, 1838 - possibly Eleazar(3) the father of Elnathan?? (Robert, you show the death of Elnathan(4) in Watertown, but I don't see that listed in the Watertown VR's we have been using - another source?)

Finally, the Samuel who appears as the (supposed ninth child) in the database with a birthdate in 1751 seems to be another error of reporting a death as a birth, since the date of his birth in the database is the date of his death in the Waltham Vital Records. Thus, it seems clear that Elnathan(4) had only seven children, two of whom predeceased him (Samuel and the first Elnathan).

This is further evidenced by the data on the distribution of his estate on

28 Apr 1760, with the estate being settled on John, the eldest son, with payments made to brothers and sister Aaron, Ebenezer, Elnathan and Sarah Whitney (this latter information courtesy of Robert Ward).

I should also at this point make note of the fact that Pierce, in the listing provided by Jon Aston on August 1st, included the seemingly non-existent first Elnathan, and the surely non-existant second Samuel, but missed the (real) first Elnathan, twin of Ebenezer.

Those with further interest in other details of this family are referred to Robert Ward's website, where Elnathan(4) is person #170 in the extensive 5-generation descent of John and Elinor (which has served to guide me through the brambles of this problem).

Happy Hunting:-)

Allan

"I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe" and one more for Pierce, after the mess above - "He's not dead. He's electroencephalographically challenged"

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 08:52:13 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: The family of Elnathan and Sarah Whitney

Just a short Sunday morning note; I'm really impressed with your research and the logical thinking...not many out there that look that deep......Still working on the Ky Whitneys >NC/SC>Va. with not much luck......Did you have find contact with Michael? I can't find him on the internet.....and the really sad thing is I'm going around in circles with what there is on-line....nothing concrete....went to the LSU library last week-end and a few pieces again, nothing like vital records or bibles ....I just about picked every path I've had....any Ideas????? have a nice day and again really nice piece of data...........alicia whitney

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Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 16:12:32 -0500 To: [email protected] From: Jerry McClure <[email protected]>

Subject: Ebenezer Whitney

Having even the possibility of having a New England Whitney connection really makes this group come alive for us North Carolina related folk! Appreciate all the help from Allan, Robert and Jon! Does anyone know if there are Massachusetts Quaker records (Hinshaw or other?) that may give some information on the Elnathan/Ebenezer families?

Jerry McClure <[email protected]>

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 18:45:06 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Sarah Whitney

I have a question which perhaps one of our many holders of information may be able to answer. Unfortunately, I have material scattered so I have been unable to answer my own question so I'll let someone else answer it for me.

In doing some research recently on my paternal grandmother's maiden name, TRUEL, I was scanning some VR's which one of my cousins furnished me which began with TR. On one of the sheets for Massachusetts, I discovered a marriage listing between a John Trull and a Sarah Whitney 17 March 1799 in Roxbury, Suffolk Co., Massachusetts.

Did this listing go out with the rest of the MA VR's? Does this marriage look familiar to anyone? I and others probably would like to know. Ken Whitney([email protected])

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 21:55:51 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: Listowner?

Bert:

I tried a couple of times back when we first got switched, but the server operator was so swamped with mail and work that I got ignored. I've sort of been waiting fatalistically for something like your problem to come up, but put off trying again until it was clearly necessary. I'll get to work on it tomorrow.

No one knows what happened to Michael. I have asked a number of times, and the only answer I got was someone's vague memory that he had said he was having some physical problems. His mailbox on AOL filled up soon after the Maiser crash, and so no one knows. I'm really afraid that something unfortunate has happened to him, and that he is just unable to do anything anymore, or worse, that he has left us. If I ever hear anything, I'll share it with the group.

Allan

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 01:13:03 -0700 From: Jennifer Whitney <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Unidentified subject!

My husband is looking for his father Robert Lawrence Whitney, born May 30, 1947, in Georgia we think. He served in the Navy for a time. He had one family prior to my husband, with two children named Robin (F) and Robert (M). He never married my husbands mom. My husband hasn't seen his dad since he was around 14 y/o. We are also looking for any info on this family line since we know so little about it. My husbands name is Tracey, b. April 30, 1967. If anyone knows anything about this family line please help.

Thanks for you time :-)

Jennifer Whitney

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:01:43 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Asa Whitney of Jay, ME http://members.aol.com/itigapa/asaw.html

Dear Whitney Cousins:

Please see my page of <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/itigapa/asaw.html">Asa Whitney of Jay, Maine</A> also all the sub Whitney pages. It is only a start. Asa is the father of Frank Whitney & Jedediah Whitney. I have also started a pages for Jedediah Whitney who later moved to Auburn, ME.

Thanks,

David C Young PO Box 152 Danville, Maine 04223 <http://members.aol.com/itigapa/asaw.html>

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 17:02:24 -0400 From: Earl Woodford <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: southern Whitneys

My great great grandfather, Lovet P. Whitney, was born in SC ca 1808. His mother's name was Sarah and his brother was Simon. Lovet and Simon were both married in Butler Co, KY: Lovet to Marion Hugens in 1828 and Simon to Patsy Arandell in 1825. Sarah wrote letters of permission for both sons. I don't know who their father was. Lovet moved to Muhlenbuerg Co, KY for a few years, then on to Warrick Co, IN , Pike Co, IN, and finally Iron Co, MO. He died there after 1886. He was an ordained Baptist preacher and helped start the church in Spurgeon, IN. I can trace the family forward, but am at a brick wall going back to SC.

Sure would appreciate any help I can get.  I'm more than willing to

trade info.

   Penny Woodford

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:55:22 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Famous Whitneys

Hello All;

Robert Ward asked for information on famous Whitneys. I read a book on the Whitneys that was written recently and should be available in the local library, it deals with the 2 famous Asa's, has an interesting history of Eli, deals in depth with William Collins Whitney who came to New York City, married well, as have other Whitneys, became secretary of the Navy, and was the first of the wealthy New York Whitneys. The book written by Edwin P. Hoyt is titled The Whitneys, An Informal Portrait.

Keep in touch

Jon ASton

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:55:22 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Famous Whitneys

Hello All;

Robert Ward asked for information on famous Whitneys. I read a book on the Whitneys that was written recently and should be available in the local library, it deals with the 2 famous Asa's, has an interesting history of Eli, deals in depth with William Collins Whitney who came to New York City, married well, as have other Whitneys, became secretary of the Navy, and was the first of the wealthy New York Whitneys. The book written by Edwin P. Hoyt is titled The Whitneys, An Informal Portrait.

Keep in touch

Jon ASton

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From: "John L. Whitney" <[email protected]>

To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> Cc: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> Subject: Alonzo W. Whitney Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:10:03 -0400

Just returned early this am from SLC and this is what I found.

ALONZO W. WHITNEY born in 1769 in Ridgefield, Fairfield, Ct. (Same County as Norwalk). No parents listed.

Regarding the "Re" and Alonzo. In this particular instance it means 'relative', and refers to another ALONZO W. WHITNEY who submitted genealogical information to the LDS Church for Henry Whitney of Ct. and his descendants. This submission occured in 1938.

The descendants of Henry Whitney of Ct. can be found on Family History Library file # 1621572. (I copied their names,etc. , but have no way to tie them to my family)

LDS subscribers can find the records they need on FHL film # 0170411, page 203, ordinance 7864 (bottom half of the page)

John L. Whitney [email protected]

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Date: 04 Aug 97 21:03:07 EDT From: "Vickie (Elam) White" <[email protected]> To: "INTERNET:WHITNEY-L@roots" <[email protected]> Subject: Lydia WHITNEY & Moses ADAMS, late 1600s MA

Hello cousins!

Can anybody tell me about Abigail ADAMS, daughter of the above named couple? She was probably born in Sherborn MA on 7 Sep 1697. I'd like to know who she married -- did she possibly married Aaron PARKER of Chelmsford and Westford ca 1712? Or did she possibly marry Jacob WRIGHT of Chelmsford and Westford ca 1718? Or did she marry somebody else entirely? <G>

I'd appreciate any help you can give.

Vickie (Elam) White [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:38:52 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Ezra Slack Whitney

Hello Laurie;

I found Ezra Slack Whitney in the Pierce book, he is listed as follows:

Ezra Slack Whitney (Ezra, John, James, James, John, Jonathan, John), b. in Boston, Mass., Sept. 15, 1808; m. at Albany, N.Y., June 4, 1833, Lydia Ann Dutcher, b. Mar. 12, 1812; d. Apr. 7, 1888.

Ezra Slack was born in the city of Boston, Mass., Sept. 15, 1808; was in business in Albany, N.Y. , where he married Lydia Anna Dutcher, of that place, June 4, 1833. After residing there a number of years he moved to Brooklyn, N.Y., did business in New York City; was also at Washington, D.C., postoffice department, under the Lincoln's administration, where he lived five years, then with his family moved back to Brooklyn. He was a Democrat and a Baptist for over forty years. He was converted under the ministry or Rev. B. O. Welch, at the Pear St. Baptist church, of Albany, N.Y., of which church he was clerk until he moved to Brooklyn. He moved to Philadelphia, Pa., April 16, 1885, and died in that city Jan. 2, 1886. He showed himself the same earnest working Christian, doing whatever he could for the good of the church and the glory of God. He was particuliarly apt at Biblical quotations, having a retentive memory, coupled with a through knowledge of the Bible. He was the first recording secretary of the Bible Union, and his interest was deep and sincere in all movements to advance the Bible cause. He was a severe suffer during closing sickness, but was patient to the end. When the end came it was all peace. He fell asleep in the arms of the Saviour, whom he had loved for many years. He was the father of nine children, six boys and three girls. He lived to celebrate his golden wedding, June 4, 1883, at Hackensack, N.J. HE d. Phila., Pa., Jan. 2, 1886; res Brooklyn, N.Y., Bayou Grape, La.

"children"

i Robert Fuller, b. Aug. 31, 1834; d. Albany, Aug. 7, 1835 ii. Anna Sarah, b. July 6, 1836; m. Aug. 28, 1853, John Watkins. He d. Baltimore, July 12, 1882. He was b. Aug. 21, 1829. iii. Henry E., b. Dec. 29, 1838; m. Helen C. Lester iv. Fred'k A., b. July 10, 1841; m. E. Louise Hunt. v. Lydia Dutcher, b. Feb. 13, 1844; m. Dr. Rollin B. Gray vi. Wm. Ezra, b. May 18, 1846 vii. Sameul Colgate, b. Sept. 14, 1848; d. Brooklyn, July 23, 1867 viii. Charles Clarence, b. June 15, 1851, d. Apr. 1, 1854 ix Carrie Louise, b. Jan 9, 1854, m. Mar 24, 1880, John B. Fitch.

There's more if your interested.

Keep in touch

Jon Aston

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:32:04 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ezra Slack Whitney

What a wonderful, helpful bunch all my Whitney "cousins" are. Seems like I've located long lost Ezra!!! Thanks to the listserve and all onboard!!!! Also have many other New England Families with good info on many if anyone's interested: CARPENTER, GRISWOLD, BAKER, EARLE, LYMAN, STRONG, SNOW, DOANE,MAYO, TREAT, TRIPP, SHERMAN, GOODENOUGH, BARKER, ALLEN, CARY, ALDEN, HOPKINS, ALLERTON, CUSHMAN, MAVERICK, HAWKES, BUTTERS, JENNEY, JENKS, ARNOLD, COGGSHALL,WARREN, WAIT, .......(TO NAME A FEW).. LOL Again, many thanks to all!!! Laurie

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 01:36:19 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Questions

I have looked at the current GEDCOM of Nathaniel Whitney, b. April 14 1680. This shows that he and his wife Sarah Ford had 10 children. This agrees with McLellan's, "The History of Gorham, Maine," p.827. It also agrees with the Bragdon/Frost, "Vital Records of York, Maine," p. 10. But it differs from the Noyes, Libby and Davis, "Genealogical Dictionary of Maine and New Hampshire," p. 750.

Question: How does one pick one source over another? I tend to believe the first two, because the VR shows deaths of two Lydias, children of Nathaniel and Sarah. These two show two Lydia's.

I am related to Jesse Whitney and Mary Sawyer. I have material on many of the maternal side down to Jesse, and beyond, e. g. John Ford, the above Sarah's father.

Question: Is the maternal side of interest to anyone? Is it included in a submitted GEDCOM?

Some of Jesse Whitney descendants achieved quite abit, although with a surname other than Whitney. For example, a man, Elbridge Dyer, whose company helped introduce steam engines into agriculture in the mid19th century. He must have adapted some of Eli Whitney's approach, because he established assembly lines making interchangable parts. His equipment won the "highest premium" at the London World's Fair. His firm, in Ohio, also had the first steam agriculture equipment in California. Then there is a female MD, Abigail Allen, circa 1900. And the world's best test pilot and a major player in aeronautical research. This person, Edmund Allen, won the prestigious Gugenheim award, as noted in the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum.

Question: What criteria exists to be a "famous Whitney?"

I am slowly adding references and notes to the material I have, but the material is interesting even without the documentation. I gathered most of the material on trips to DC working in the Library of Congress and National Archives after 5:30pm, or in the DAR Library in time between meetings. Other material has come from the Sutro Library in San Francisco or the Oakland Family History Center. Because I did not know when my trips would stop to Washington, I was in a gathering mode, and am now slowly assimulating it.

Thanks,

Joe Keller, [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 02:17:25 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ezra Slack Whitney

Do you have any info on a Arthur E Whitney of either Weston or Fitchburg Mass in the early 1800's He was married to a Anna or Annie C. Smith

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 09:54:33 -0500 From: Donna & Ralph Gosselin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: William and Prena Whitney

I have some info (2nd hand) from a bible of William Whitney born Jan 31, 1810 married to Prena Tilden- births of their children and some marriages probably from Moira Ny- if interested let me know. Ralph [email protected]

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 09:24:04 -0700 From: Jennifer Whitney <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Found R.L. Whitney

Thanks to John L. Whitney for helping out my husband find his dad..... they had a great reunion over the phone and are planning to get together sometime soon. We can't believe how lucky we were to find Robert so fast, after a week of searching the internet and emailing all the possible Whitney's we could find we finally succeded......:-) Thanks again so much, Jennifer WHitney

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:38:00 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: LYDIA WHITNEY & RICHARD HAVEN

Would anyone have any information on LYDIA WHITNEY born 18 April 1695?

I have no other information on her than the following:

• • • • • • • • • • • Possible daughter of John Whitney & Sarah Haven

• • • • • • • • • • She married Richard Haven on 4, Feb 1712/1713

    I am most interested in finding her ancestorial lineage and some

verification possibilities. So often I look "on-line" and find information has to be wrong between people being married or dying before they are born or people becoming parents at the age 7.

  I am a descendant of Lydia Whitney and Richard Haven.......I would also

like to learn how her possible Mother Sarah Haven is associated in the Haven line, as I don't have information on her. She married John Whitney.

  Thank you for any and all consideration.

Jo [email protected]

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 09:49:57 -0700 From: The Lindsays <[email protected]>

To: Jennifer Whitney <[email protected]> CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: Found R.L. Whitney

Jennifer :

Another success story for the Whitney Research Group. Congratulations to all concerned. John, you are one great person to work to get a family together like that.

Best Wishes to all, the family is the basis for all blessings in life.

>From a proud Whitney Cousin, Mary Ann (Perigo) Lindsay (grand-daughter of Nellie Whitney Perigo)

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 09:55:21 -0700 From: The Lindsays <[email protected]> To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ezra Slack Whitney

And yet another success story! Nice going all. MAL

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:17:41 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: William and Prena Whitney

Dear Ralph,

 I am extremely interested in learning more about William and Prena Whitney.
I know it is  a stab in the dark, but their birth date and the fact they

came from New York really fits the possibility of one of their children being my Great Grandfather. I have been searching for months through every possible source trying to find his parents, etc.

 My Great Grandfather was Daniel James Whitney, born somewhere in New YOrk

state approximately1834. He married a girl by the name of Dilly Jane (Jennie) Flint probably sometime in the middle 1850's. Their first child was my Grandfather Harvey James Whitney, born 4 June 1856. Other children were Delmar L. Whitney, born in 1859; Benjamin Whitney, born in 1861; Ida M. Whitney, born in 1863, and Marquis D. born 1868.

 Daniel and Dilly Jane must have left New York State soon after their

marriage as I picked up the whole family in the 1870 census for Anderson County, Kansas, and it showed Grandpa Harvey born in Iowa, Delmar in Illinois, Benjamin and Ida in Wisconsin, and Marquis in Kansas. This same census entry showed Daniel James to be 32 years old, with a notation behind his name "Insane". Another reference I have is that Daniel died somewhere in the East, and his widow and the first four children came to Kansas to live with her sister and Marquis was born here after her arrival. I don't know which story is the real fact, but thought that his wife Dilly Jane, My Grandmother, might have shown him in the 1870 census because he may have still been living somewhere in a sanitarium. If that were the case, probably he either died or was institutionalized in Wisconsin, as that was where the last child was born before they came to Kansas. I have handled with the Wisconsin Vital Statistics but they advise their records back there are sparse and they didn't have anything. On the possibility that Daniel might have been in the Civil War and became insane there, I handled with the National Archives in Washington, and they send me a complete pension file on a Daniel J. Whitney who was born in New York in 1833, was in the War, but the wife and childrens names were all different, so the name was just a coincidence.

 I know I have written a lot here, but wanted you to know the whole story in

case He just might have been a child of your William and Prena. If he was, I would be overjoyed to receive all the info you have on them. If not, it is just another blind alley. My name is Ray Whitney and I live in Topeka, Kansas.

 Would sure appreciate hearing from you further.  Thanks much.  Ray

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 20:32:43 -0400 From: Marion Leska <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Whitneys in the Hinckley Family in Maine

Hi all, I received permission from Marlene Groves (author) to quote from her book here so long as I credit her, and I surely do, and tell you all that her book, "The Hinckleys of Maine--The Ancestry(both in Massachusetts and in England) and Descendants of Samuel (4) Hinckley of Brunswick, Maine" is available from Picton Press, PO Box 250, Rockport, Maine, 04841-0250 for 29.95 plus shipping of $4.00. Maine residents must also pay $1.80 sales tax. The book is also available from the author, Marlene Groves, 16 Traverse Street, Rockland, Maine, 04841-2213. So, here are the next 2 children of Mary nee Hinckley (haven't yet gotten back to the library to ascertain just which Whitney she married.)

Jacob WHITNEY b. 11 June 1763, Lisbon,Maine, d. May 1846, m. (int. both of Little River, 5 May 1787, Hannah Mills (gotta really check this, Hannah COULD be another relative!) b. 17 July 1760. In Little River Town in 1790 census. Res. Phillips, Me. he in Rev. War. CHILDREN (surname WHITNEY) i. Mary M. b. 27 June 1788 ii. James M., b. 9 Oct. 1790 m. ---Hinckley iii. Christopher A. b. 3 Apr 1793 iv. Patience b. 26 Feb 1795 v. Joseph, b. 26 Jan 1797 vi. Samuel L., b. 3 Aug 1799 vii John B., b. 5 Nov. 1802 viii. Josiah S., 1 Aug 1807; res Chippewa Falls, Wisc., in 1875

Isabel WHITNEY

b. 2 Aug 1765 Lisbon, Maine; d. 1843, m. 26 Oct. 1784

Topsham, Maine as his second wife, Increase Blethen and had twelve children. One,the fifth, Thankful b.8 July 1794, d. 1864, m. 28 Apr 1819 Phillips, Maine Thomas Whitney.

Nathan WHITNEY,

b. abt. 1768, d. Sept. 1849, m. (1) (int. both in Little River, Dec.

25, 1793) Sarah Godfrey, d.21 Mar 1827, m.(2) 14 or 29 Jun 1828, in Augusta or Hollowell, Maine, Fannie D. Shepard or Shephard. He was a farmer and res. Lisbon and Gardiner, Maine. Children (Surname WHITNEY) by Sarah Godfrey: (not necessarily in order) i. Abiezar Holbrook b. 29 Mar 1794 ii. John G. 3 Mar 1798 iii. Bathsheba, b 1800, m.23 Jun 1842, Augusta or Gardiner, Me., David Hamlin. iv. Rebecca S., b. 1801 v. Otis, m. twice vi. Thankful, b. 6 Jun 1806, Lisbon, Maine, m. 30 Nov. 1826, Augusta or Gardiner, Me., William T. Folsom. vii. Elias S. b 1909 m. Brunswick, Me., Sarah Godfrey viii. Hannah m. 9 Mar 1831, Augusta or Gardiner,Me., William T. Folsom ix. Calvin, m. twice x. Celinda, b. 28 Jul 1818, Litchfield, Me., m. 27 Feb 1838, Seth P. Bragdon.

Children (surname WHITNEY) by second wife Fanny D. Shepard or Shephard xi Sarah Elizabeth, b. 20 Mar, 1829, Augusta, Maine xii. Nathan, b. 10 Apr 1831 xiii. Ruel William b. 16 Oct 1836, Augusta, Maine

Samuel L. WHITNEY b. 6 Feb 1774, d. 9 Oct 1846, Friday morning at 4 o'clock, m. 24 Dec 1801, Lydia Curit, b. 30 Jan 1776, d. 7 Dec 1848. Children (surname WHITNEY) i. Eliza, b. 25 Sept 1802 ii. Jacob, b. 14 Oct 1804 m.... iii. John, 1 Jun 1808 iv. Isabel or Mabel, b. 4 July 1811 v. Mercy, b. 11 Dec 1814 vi. Lydia, b. 26 Jun 1817 vii Samuel Lumbar, b. 29 Nov 1820

That's all for now. Sure hope this helps someone. Marion

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:32:24 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected], [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Sarah Whitney

At 06:45 PM 8/3/97 -0400, you wrote: >I have a question which perhaps one of our many holders of information may be >able to answer. Unfortunately, I have material scattered so I have been >unable to answer my own question so I'll let someone else answer it for me. > >In doing some research recently on my paternal grandmother's maiden name, >TRUEL, I was scanning some VR's which one of my cousins furnished me which >began with TR. On one of the sheets for Massachusetts, I discovered a >marriage listing between a John Trull and a Sarah Whitney 17 March 1799 in >Roxbury, Suffolk Co., Massachusetts. > >Did this listing go out with the rest of the MA VR's? Does this marriage >look familiar to anyone? I and others probably would like to know. Ken >Whitney([email protected])

It is included at <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/roxbury.html>. She was Sarah-5 WHITNEY, dau. of Jason-4 and Elizabeth (BEAL) WHITNEY [Mark-3, Benjamin-2, John-1], b. 29 Apr 1763, Natick, MA. See also <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/john/num309.html#1010>.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward [email protected] http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 22:01:56 -0500 From: whitney <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: movvvvvvvvvvvvvving

I have a new found cousin, Barbara, on line with our whitney-L cousins. Please, Everyone welcome her at email [email protected] she is new so be kind :)

I unsubscibed tonight for a tempory period of time....I accepted a new job in Austin, Tx and am getting ready to move.....After I get settled, I will be back... Love you all Best Regards from Texas RAlph

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:07:48 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected], [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: LYDIA WHITNEY & RICHARD HAVEN

Jo,

At 12:38 PM 8/5/97 -0400, you wrote: >Would anyone have any information on LYDIA WHITNEY born 18 April 1695? > >I have no other information on her than the following: > >***********Possible daughter of John Whitney & Sarah Haven > >**********She married Richard Haven on 4, Feb 1712/1713 > > I am most interested in finding her ancestorial lineage and some >verification possibilities. So often I look "on-line" and find information >has to be wrong between people being married or dying before they are born or >people becoming parents at the age 7. > > I am a descendant of Lydia Whitney and Richard Haven.......I would also >like to learn how her possible Mother Sarah Haven is associated in the Haven >line, as I don't have information on her. She married John Whitney. > > Thank you for any and all consideration. > >Jo [email protected]

See <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/john/num033.html#200>. She was, indeed, daughter of John-3 and Sarah (HAVEN) WHITNEY. They had been married about 1694, and Sarah HAVEN was daughter of Richard and Sarah (NEWHALL) HAVEN of Lynn, MA, where Sarah was b. 4 Jun 1665.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward [email protected] http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 01:07:37 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: movvvvvvvvvvvvvving

Thank you Cousin Ralph for the introduction but the name is Beverly (not Barbara) :) So hello everyone :)

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:30:35 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: LYDIA WHITNEY & RICHARD HAVEN

Robert:

Thank you for the information, I will try that page. I appreciate your response to my query.

[email protected]

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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:23:50 -0400 From: Cindy Carpenter <[email protected]>

To: [email protected] Subject: Jane WHITNEY--NC

Hello all,

   I'm new to the list and I am hoping that one of you might be able to

help me. I'm trying in to find my 2nd gr grandmother, Jane WHTINEY.

Jane WHITNEY b. Aug 1868 d. bef 1906. She was born in North Carolina, possibly Cabarrus Co. She married Robert Henderson DEATON (also from NC) sometime around 1889. They lived in Guilford Co., NC. Robert H. DEATON remarried around 1906 a woman named Lestor.

The Children of Jane WHITNEY and Robert H. DEATON were:

   1. Mary B. DEATON b.Mar 1890
   2. Annie DEATON b.Feb 1892
   3. Rosa D. DEATON b.Apr 1894
 + 4. Margie Nellie DEATON b.Apr 7, 1896  d. Oct 10, 1971
           married October 12, 1912 James Claude A. Swanson MIKEL

This is the only information that I have on this family. Jane WHITNEY died before my grandmother was born. My gr grandmother was under the age of 10 when her mother died. From what my grandmother has told me, no one remembers too much about Jane WHITNEY. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to locate any relatives that are still living that might remember stories about her family or anything.

I would appreciate any help I could get with this family.

Thank you, Cindy Hylton Carpenter [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:12:08 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: New info from Sutro - Benj. Whitney 1687-1737

Dear WRG: Here is the descent from Benjamin Whitney and his first wife.

Previously we had only the line from his third child, David Whitney.  I have

deleted that line from this descendancy chart, as well as all of the descent from the second wife, Abigail Bridge, because they both have previously been a part of Witney11 and Witney12. As much of this material as possible I have confirmed from the VR sources we all have. The remainder comes from a typescript "book" that I found in the Sutro Library in San Francisco - "Jane Harris of Rocky River", by Jenness Reese Reyes, 1964, TS, 273 pp. There are some source references quoted in addition to Pierce and Melville, one of which is a little odd. Perhaps someone can suggest what "Franklin, MA" might be besides Franklin Co. I can find no town named Franklin in the index to my Rand McNally, but "Franklin, Mass. Births and Marriages" is cited, as is Petersham VRs.

For anyone who wishes it, I can prepare a Gedcom from these files that will include all of the notes and sources, and does include a fair amount of information of a personalizing nature. I will, of course, supply the same gedcom to Jon for inclusion in Witney13. I will also try to answer any questions about the material. If anyone wishes to pursue the family further, I can supply the address of the Sutro Library and the internal references from the pages I have at hand to the location of further information, especially about the Whitaker and Reese descent.

DESCENDANCY CHART FOR BENJAMIN WHITNEY - WITNEY12.PAF 7 Aug 1997, Pg 1 of 4

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    Name (Birth/Chr.-Death/Burial)   Birth/Chr. Place
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1-- Benjamin WHITNEY-610 (1687-1737) Stow,Middlesex,MA

  sp-Sarah BARRETT-611 (1692-1729)
  2-- Deborah WHITNEY-7824 (1711-1761)  Marlborough,Middlesex,MA
    sp-Joseph (Wheeler) WHELER-7831 (1705-    )  Possibly Marlborough,MA
  2-- Barret WHITNEY-7823 (1715-1749)  Marlborough,Middlesex,MA
    sp-Elizabeth ADAMS-7839 (1717-    )  Probably Boston,MA
  2-- David WHITNEY-604 (1717-1749)  Marlboro,Middlesex,MA
       sp-Mercy-605 (    -    )

[The descent from David and Mercy Whitney is already in the database.
  I believe all other children of this marriage is new information.]

  2-- Persis WHITNEY-7826 (1718-1761)  Marlborough,Middlesex,MA
    sp-Nathan GOODALE-7840 (1715-    )
  2-- Solomon WHITNEY-7828 (1721-1758)  Marlborough,Middlesex,MA
    sp-Elizabeth SMITH-7832 (1728-    )  Possibly Marlborough,MA
    3-- Miriam WHITNEY-7834 (1751-    )  Marlborough,Middlesex,MA
    3-- Benjamin WHITNEY [Captain]-7833 (1753- ) Marlborough,Middlesex,MA
         [sp-UNKNOWN - buried in Canada, possibly at Three Rivers - AEG]
      4-- Benjamin (Jr.) WHITNEY-7854 (    -    )
      4-- Job WHITNEY-7855 (    -    )
      4-- Solomon (Jr.) WHITNEY-7856 (    -    )
      4-- Newhall WHITNEY-7857 (1791-1867) Possibly Petersham,Worcester,MA
        sp-Elizabeth WHITEHEAD-7863 (1805-1892) Three Rivers,Quebec,CAN
        5-- John WHITNEY-7865 (1822-  ) Possibly Three Rivers, Quebec, CAN
          sp-Eliza MORSE-7875 (1825-  )
        5-- Susan WHITNEY-7867 (1823- ) Possibly Three Rivers, Quebec, CAN
          sp-Charles M. HANKS-7876 (1820-    )
        5-- Benjamin (Jr.) WHITNEY-7866 (1824-  )  Possibly Three Rivers,
                                           Quebec, CAN
          sp-Alma FLANDERS-7877 (1827-    )
        5-- Mary Ann WHITNEY-7868 (1828-    )  Wheelock,VT
          sp-"Judge" CARPENTER-7878 (1820-    )
        5-- Matilda Dinah WHITNEY-7869 (1833-1908)  Wheelock,VT
          sp-James Gilmore WHITAKER-7879 (1830-1914) Possibly Franklin,MA
          6-- Charles Frederick WHITAKER-7887 (1862- ) Probably Dayton,OH
          6-- May (Mary) WHITAKER-7888 (1865-1922)  Dayton,OH
            sp-Edwin Montgomery REESE-7889 (1860- ) Possibly San Diego,CA
            7-- Henry Dobson REESE-7890 (    -    )
            7-- Sidney H. REESE [Dr.]-7891 (    -    )
        5-- Eliza Jane WHITNEY-7870 (1834-  )  Probably Wheelock,VT
          sp-David JENKINS-7880 (1830-    )
          sp-Jeremiah GRAY-7881 (1830-    )
        5-- Isaac WHITNEY-7871 (1839-    )  Probably Wheelock,VT
          sp-Helen T. CHAPMAN-7882 (1843-    )
        5-- Artemis WHITNEY-7872 (1841-  )  Probably Wheelock,VT
        5-- Frederick WHITNEY-7873 (1843-  )  Probably Wheelock,VT
          sp-Sarah STORKS-7883 (1847-    )
        5-- Lucy Ann WHITNEY-7874 (1847-  )  Probably Wheelock,VT
          sp-George H. BARBER-7884 (1844-    )
      4-- Lucinda WHITNEY-7858 (    -    )
      4-- Miriam WHITNEY-7859 (    -    )
      4-- Susan WHITNEY-7860 (    -    )
      4-- John WHITNEY-7861 (    -    )
      4-- Lydia WHITNEY-7862 (    -    )
    3-- Job WHITNEY-7841 (1755-    )  Petersham,Worcester,MA
    3-- Sarah WHITNEY-7842 (1757-    )  Petersham,Worcester,MA
  2-- Sarah WHITNEY-7827 (1723-    )  Marlborough,Middlesex,MA
    sp-Abraham JOSLIN-7843 (1720-    )
  2-- Timothy WHITNEY-7829 (1725-1749)  Marlborough,Middlesex,MA
  2-- Dinah WHITNEY-7825 (1727-1759)  Marlborough,Middlesex,MA
    sp-Elijah LIVERMORE-7844 (1720-    )  Probably Boston,MA
  2-- Job WHITNEY-7830 (1729-1761)  Marlborough,Middlesex,MA

Hope that the above will assist one or more in finding a connection

Happy Hunting:-)

Allan E. Green

"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted , then used against you."

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From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 21:40:35 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: New info from Sutro - Benj. Whitney 1687-1737

Hi... Franklin, Ma is in Norfolk County and is the next town over from me...it surely does exsist!!! Laurie

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:18:28 -0400 From: Bert Smith <[email protected]> Subject: ship list To: Whitney <[email protected]>

The following showed up on another mail list I subscribe to. It's probably "old hat" to most of you but may be new to some.

from "Planters of the Commonwealth, A Study of the Emigrants and Emigration in Colonial Times: to which are added Lists of Passengers to Boston and to the Bay Colony; the Ships which brought them; their English Homes, and the Places of the Settlement in Massachusetts 1620-1640", by Charles Edward Banks, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1984 (original 1930):

1635 [Pages 154-157]

Elizabeth And Anne, Roger Cooper, Master. She sailed about the middle of May and arrived at Boston in Midsummer, with one hundred and two passengers [Public Record Office MSS., and Drake: Founders, 20, 22, 24, 27, 28, 29, 30].

Mrs. Marjorie Washburn, 49, of Evesham, county Worcester, to Plymouth

  John Washburn, 14
  Phillip Washburn, 11

Robert Hawkins, 25, husbandman, to Charlestown

  Mrs. Mary Hawkins, 24

John Whitney, 35, to Watertown

  Mrs. Ellen Whitney, 30
  John Whitney, 11
  Richard Whitney, 9
  Nathaniel Whitney, 8
  Thomas Whitney, 6
  Jonathan Whitney, 1

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From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 23:50:19 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Odds and Ends, Aug. 7th

Dear WRG:

Sorry I've been slow in getting things out. Goodwife Green had gall-bladder surgery on Tuesday morning, and our 8 - year-old granddaughter is here for a visit, so I've been doing some other things for a few days. Everything came out OK (yes, that was deliberate), and Ginny is recovering quickly - would probably try to go back to work tomorrow if she didn't have a check-up appointment with the surgeon at 1:00 PM.

Thanks to Bert Smith for publishing again the source of the data on John and Elinor's arrival in Watertown in 1635. I still have to admire her tremendously, making that ocean trip while 6/7 months pregnant!

For those of you interested in maps, there is a really interesting web site that has copies of maps taken from an 1895 Atlas that can be downloaded. I did the MA one a few nights ago, and when it started it said it would take 38 minutes at 28,800. However, the speed of transfer got faster and faster, and the time to go got shorter and shorter, and it ended up being somewhere around 7/8 minutes. Unfortunately, MA is one of the states that is still to be indexed. Many other states are already indexed, and I think maps are available for all the NE states. Don't be put off by the fact that the first thing you come to is the Livingston County, MI Genweb page. The lady that runs that page is the one who is providing the maps and doing the indexing project. Keep working through the site, and you will find what I'm talking about. Unfortunately, the size of the maps would be a problem for printing them out (they are in color). MA came out about 3-1/2 screens wide and 2-1/2 screens deep using Netscape Navigator 3.0. At any rate, here is the URL

http://www.ismi.net/lcmigw

I have it on very good authority that there is a Franklin, MA, - it's in Norfolk County. I'll check further on the question of their vital records and let you all know.

In the meantime, Happy Hunting:-)

Allan

"Diplomacy is saying 'nice doggy' until you find a rock."

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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 19:32:02 -0300 From: Sharon Godin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Whitneys

I am looking for someone from the Miramichi area of New Brunswick to help me with a search for ancestors originating from the area outside the former city of Newcastle. My great-grandfather, Bourne King Whitney left there when young, moved to Moncton and eventually to Canso, NS where he married Elizabeth Taylor. He was a builder and I do not know if there were others in his family but my own grandfather saw to that with 11 children, 9 sons one of whom was my father.

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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:40:56 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: New info from Sutro - Benj. Whitney 1687-1737 To: ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Allan: I would love to have your new information about Benjamin Whitney & Sarah Barrett's descendants in Gedcom format.

For anyone who is interested, I have information on the family of Deborah Whitney (1st child of Benjamin Whitney & Sarah Barrett) & Joseph Wheeler (b. 19 Apr 1700), as well as a bit of ancestry on Joseph Wheeler. Deborah was Joseph Wheeler's 2nd wife. My source: "History of Wheeler Family in America".

-) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse

[email protected]

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From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:28:06 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: More Odds & Ends

Dear WRG:

Just a brief note with a couple of Whitney items I've stumbled across in the last day or two.

In the Machias, ME, 1881 tax lists there appears a G. Whitney, tax of $20.25

In the Livingston County, MI cemetery census done over a span of years by the DAR, the following Whitney entries appear.

Charles D. 8 III Christina 79 III Howard R. 8 III John 79 III Linda 8 III Myrtle 9 III Orlando Jay 9 III Sarah 8 III

>From my exploration of the opening pages, it is clear that the "III" refers to the third book in the DAR series, and the numbers seem to be page numbers.

That would seem to suggest that Charles D., Howard R., Linda and Sarah are

all a part of one group in the same cemetery, with Orlando Jay and Myrtle probably in the same cemetery, appearing as they do on the next page. That leaves John and Christina in a different cemetery. I wish that they had left the pairings together rather than alphabetizing, but we should be grateful that the data was organized and put out there for on-line access.

Hope this helps someone.

Happy Hunting

Allan

"Save the Whales! Collect the whole set"

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 20:39:02 -0400 From: Marion Leska <[email protected]>

To: [email protected] Subject: Re: More Maine Whitneys in the Hinckley Family

I finally got to the library and got the remainder of the Hinckley Family Whitneys today.Remember, The book, Hinckleys of Maine, etc., is available from Picton Press, Box 250 Rockport, Maine, 04841-0250 for $29.95 plus $4.00 for shipping; or from the author, Marlene Groves, 16 Traverse Street, Rockland, Maine, 04841-2213.

First off, to go back a generation to where the Whitneys first appear:

Mary or Mercy HINCKLEY (Shubeal(5), Samuel(4), Samuel(3), Thomas(2), Samuel(1),) b. 7 or 23 Oct 1734, York,Maine; d. 13 Nov 1814 in Lisbon Falls, Maine; m.(int. 15 Jun 1752)25 Jul 1752, Benjamin Whitney, b. 22 May or 2 Jun 1725 or 1727 (honest, this is the way the dates are given. The first is referenced by O.S. and the second by N.S--now I have to go back and get the references!)York, Maine, d. 8 Nov 1787, Lisbon Falls, Maine, son of John and Letty or Lettie (Ford) Whitney; both buried Hillside Cemetery, Lisbon Falls, Maine. He settled in Little River, Lisbon, Maine. Served in Rev. War; was owner of the first grist mill in Lisbon, Maine, and owned farm. CHILDREN (Surname WHITNEY)

i. Abraham, b 19 Aug 1753 ii. Sarah, b. 4 May 1755, Sebascodigan (Harpswell,)Maine. iii. Isaac, b. 22 May, 1757 (The roman numeral iv has been omitted--I think unintentionally, but there is a four year span rather than the two years between every other child.) v. Rachel, b. 25 Apr 1761, Georgetown, Maine; res. Phillips, Maine. m. Miller Hinckley, son of John and Hannah (Oliver) Hinckley. (The family of Rachael and Miller is also followed in this book, but I didn't copy it. If you want me to, let me know.) vi. Jacob, b. 11 June 1763 vii. Isabel, b. 2 Aug 1765 viii. Nathan, b. abt 1768 ix. Benjamin; settled in Bowdoin, Maine. x. Joseph, b. 1 May 1770, m. (int. 10 Feb 1797, he of Little River, she of New Gloucester) Rebecca Stinchfield, b. 12 Jun 1775; res. Phillips, Me. xi. Samuel, b. 6 Feb 1774 xii. Thankful (One Thankful Whitney m.[int. 1 Sep 1796, both of Little River,Me.] Zebulon Colson.)

That's it for now. More to come in the next few days. Marion Whitney Leska

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:57:03 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janis Whitaker) Subject: ?Unconnected Maine Whitneys

Dear WRG, I found the following families in "History of Brunswick, Topsham and Harpswell, Maine(including Pejepscot)" by Augustus Wheeler, M.D. & Henry Warren Wheeler; printed by Alfred Mudge & Sons, 1878. Page 860: Samuel Whitney settled in New Meadows(a village between Brunswick and Bath),in 1739. He was a Deacon of the "Old Congregational Church". Wife-Lydia; Children:

Samuel b.15 Sep.1732;
Jonathan b. 4 Dec.1734;
Lydia b. 20 Feb.1735;
Susannah b. July 25,1738;
Lettis b. 27 June 1742.

John Whitney "probably brother to Samuel" settled at New Meadows 1739. Wife-Lettis. child; Benjamin b. 22 May 1725 "and perhaps others".

  I hope someone can connect these Whitneys and that it will help someone, Jan

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:57:03 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janis Whitaker) Subject: ?Unconnected Maine Whitneys

Dear WRG, I found the following families in "History of Brunswick, Topsham and Harpswell, Maine(including Pejepscot)" by Augustus Wheeler, M.D. & Henry Warren Wheeler; printed by Alfred Mudge & Sons, 1878. Page 860: Samuel Whitney settled in New Meadows(a village between Brunswick and Bath),in 1739. He was a Deacon of the "Old Congregational Church". Wife-Lydia; Children:

Samuel b.15 Sep.1732;
Jonathan b. 4 Dec.1734;
Lydia b. 20 Feb.1735;
Susannah b. July 25,1738;
Lettis b. 27 June 1742.

John Whitney "probably brother to Samuel" settled at New Meadows 1739. Wife-Lettis. child; Benjamin b. 22 May 1725 "and perhaps others".

  I hope someone can connect these Whitneys and that it will help someone, Jan

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 15:14:42 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janis Whitaker) Subject: Whitneys, ME>MN>CA

Dear WRG,

    I have 235 Whitneys (as above) to transfer to Jon Ason for the Gedcom

files, most of them you don't have yet! (William, Samuel, Abner,John, Isaiah, Thomas, John line-from 4th generation down to 9th) Is there anyone out there who can help me transfer this in GEDCOM form? I have Reunion software and have created a GEDCOM file, but now can't figure out how to send via my MAC and Eudora. If no one can help me, I will have to send in printed form via snail mail, which will be time consuming for Jon to enter and make available to you all. I would be most GRATEFUL for help. Leaving on another research trip to NB Canada this week and want to accomplish this transfer before I go. My husband says "another trip with pictures of gravestones"! He happily waves me off, as my sister and I are searching companions. Going to find non- Whitney family info, but just might take side trips in Maine on the way! Thanks for your help. Jan

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 16:07:10 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: William WHITNEY/Southern

1 William Whitney b. abt 1790 Kentucky d. 1838 Terrebonne Pr., La. m. 1818 ....+ Sarah Compton b. abt 1794 New York d. Terrebonne Parish, Louisiana

     daughter of Joseph Compton & Anna Van Doosen of New York

........2 George Washington (Alexis) Whitney b. 18 Oct 1819 Kentucky d. 13 Nov 1906 Houma, Terrebonne Pr., La. m. 17 Aug 1840 Houma, Terrebonne Pr. La. ...........+Seleste Artemise Duplantis b. 28 Nov 1823 Thibodeaux, Lafourche Pr., La.

           daughter of Jean Baptiste Duplantis, Sr. & Maria Francisca Brunet

............. 3George Washington Whitney b. 26 Jun 1842 Thibodeaux, Lafourche Pr La d. 13 Nov 1906 Houma, Terrebonne Pr., La. marr. 8 Feb 1864 Houma, Terr. Pr., La. .................+Melanie Odelia Chaisson b. 30 Dec 1844 Thibodeaux, Laf. Pr. La. d. 3 July 1905 Houma, Terrebonne Pr., La. d/o Paul Francois Romain "Hypolite" Chaisson & Rosalia Batilde Bergeron

................4 George Washington William Whitney b. 2 Mar 1867 Houma, Terr. Pr. La d. 15 Mar 1891 Houma, Terr. Pr. La. marr. 8 Feb 1891 Houma , Terr. Pr. La. ...................+Mary Josephine Weiland b. 12 July 1873 Houma, Terr. Pr. La. d. 9 Sept 1920 Houma, Terr. Pr., La d/o John Edgard Weiland & Fidelic Audilia Babin

....................5 Robert Joseph Whitney b. 23 July 1893 Houma, Terr. Pr. La. d. 20 Feb. 1966 Houma, Terr. Pr., La. marr. 30 Jan 1913 Houma, Terr. Pr., La. .......................+Emileme Alcina Rhodes b. 5 Mar 1893 Montegut, Terr. Pr. La. d. 10 Mar. 1969 Houma, Terr. Pr. La. d/o James Rhodes & Angelique Prosperie

........................6Willie James Whitney, Sr. b. 30 Oct 1913 Houma, Terr. Pr. La. living Aug 1997 marr. 19 Jan 1948 Port Allen, West Baton Rouge, Louisiana .........................+Opal Marguerite Kolb b. 2 Aug 1925 Bently, Grant Parish, La. d. 26 Jan. 1997 Baton Rouge, East Baton Rouge, La. d/o Robert Manning Kolb & Rachael Louisiana "Annie" Anderson.

...........................7Alicia Marie Whitney .........................................

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:05:43 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Whitneys in Parker Family Genealogy

Dear WRG:

Here is some more bits and pieces I picked up looking at Whitney entries in the family history of another family. The title of the book from which the below is taken is:

"John Parker of Lexington & Descendants from Deacon Thomas Parker of Reading, MA, 1635 - 1893", by Theodore Parker, 1893; Charles Hamilton Press. Sutro Library, San Francisco, CA, CS71 P24, 1893

p. 39 Andrew Parker, b. 14 Feb 1693, m. Sarah Whitney of Lexington Aug. 20, 1720 p. 41 Sara, daughter of Isaiah & Sarah Whitney of Lexington, bap. 22 Apr 1703 as 3rd in family of seven. Made peace with the church 4 Nov 1724, when 3 of their children were baptized. Admitted to the church in 1728 (footnote - The grandfather, Eleazer Whitney, was settled at Cambridge Farms in 1693, where he died in 1697. The Whitneys, however, did not long remain in Lexington) p. 57 Betsey Parker, b. 23 Mar 1769, m. Amos Whitney of Worcester, no issue. p. 61 Mary Mead, b. 1 May 1753, m. Dec. 3, 1772 Abraham Whitney

        [a paragraph from "Watertown Genealogies" about John and Elinor

Whitney]

         Our Eleazer Whitney, father of Isaiah was doubtless [?-AEG] the one

given in the

         Watertown Genealogies as son of Thomas Whitney of Watertown, and

baptized

         7 Apr 1662, twin brother of Elnathan <p. 643 (Watertown

Genealogies?)>, so therefore the lineage is Sarah-5, Isaiah-4, Eleazer(sic)-3, Thomas-2, John-1. p. 101 Amos Parker, born in Hubbardston, 17 Oct 1777, m. Elizabeth Whitney of

         Bolton, daughter of the minister at Bolton.

p. 292 Charles E. Forrestal, b. Dec 17, 1823, m. June 27, 1850, Ann Augusta Whitney of Royalston. They lived in Winchendon. He d. 7 Feb 1872, she d. 10 Nov 1887. p. 335 Joel Damon Parker, b. May 7, 1836, m. Dec. 26, 1864 to Catherine M. Whitney,

          daughter of Francis N. and Catherine (Bird) Whitney.

p. 377 Lucy Whitney, native of Bolton, m. Joel Brown, a native of Concord.

They lived
          in Boylston and had a daughter, Mary Calista Brown, b. Boylston,

Mar. 13, 1832 p. 385 Ephraim Barnard, son of Phineas and Betsy (Whitney) Barnard, b. 19 Mar 1805,

          married Dorothy Flagg Parker.  Children:
          1. Eliza Ann Willard Barnard
          2. Sarah Parker Barnard, b. 13 Apr 1830, m. in Harvard, 29 Mar

1853, George Whitney of Stow, b. 28 Oct 1823, son of Asa and Sally (Brooks) Whitney.

                 21. Frederick A. Whitney, b. Stow, April 8, 1858
                 22. Georgiana Whitney, b. Harvard, June 21, 1871

This is all the notes of Whitney references I could find in this book. I hope it will be useful to someone in the WRG.

Allan E. Green

"I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges?"

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:03:07 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janis Whitaker) Subject: Abigail Adams & Aaron Parker Cc: [email protected]

Dear Vickie and cousins,

   I live in Westford, so this wasn't hard to research for you!  Here's

what I found:No marriage for Abigail to either Aaron Parker or Jacob Wright in either Chelmsford or Westford.(Westford broke off from Chelmsford,date I'm not sure of right now) But I did find the following children born to Aaron and Abigail Parker listed in Chelmsford: Abigail, b. 17 Oct.1720 Aron[sp] b. 19 Aug. 1713[parents as Aron & Abigall] also listed in Westford records Elizabeth, baptized 14 July, 1728. Lucy b. 11 Jan.1725-6. Mary b. 20 Oct.1723. MOSES b. 16 May,1718[significant, as Abigail's father was Moses Adams] Samuell b. 1 Jan.1716.[Was Abigail's maternal grandfather Samuel Whitney by any chance?] Aaron Parker(Jr.) married Lydia Spaulding in Westford 3 June 1766[they both lived in Westford and it was recorded in Westford and Chelmsford]. Aaron Parker died 19 Dec.1775 at 86yrs 7m 28d. Buried in Fairview Cemetery, Westford. I didn't find any mention of Jacob Wright in either towns' records. I do hope this helps. Let me know if I can do any thing else for you. Good Luck, Jan

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:11:23 -0700 From: Sharon Cubberly <[email protected]>

To: [email protected] Subject: LYDIA WHITNEY

HI on your page http://www.rootsweb.com/~gumby/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=Whitney?I1033 there is a link to my page for lydia whitney at geocities I have an upgraded page at http://members.tripod.com/~scubb/fam00343.htm could you remove the old page address [email protected] Sharon Cubberly

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:12:52 +0800 From: Wulf Losee <[email protected]> To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: Whitneys in Parker Family Genealogy

Dear WRG: I'm a descendent of Andrew Parker and Sarah Whitney. I saw that entry in Theodore Parker's genealogy of the Lexington Parkers. However when I investigated it, I couldn't find any corroborating evidence that Sarah's grandfather was Eleazer Whitney -- the dates didn't work out. Here is what I pieced together. Of course all the evidence I dug up is in storage. I'm willing to entertain the Eleazer Whitney connection (because that gives me another generation of Whitney's in my ancestry ;-), but I won't be able to support my arguments until I get back to the States and get my notes out of storage. Below is what I think is the more likely ancestry of this Sarah Whitney. As you can see if we add Eleazer to the equation we start some generational crowding (feel free to shoot this genealogy down, but muster primary sources if possible!).

1. John Whitney (b. 1589, d. 1673) m. Elinor (nee?) 2. Thomas Whitney (b. 1629, d. ? ) m. Mary Kedall (sometimes spelled Kettle) 3. Isaiah Whitney, (b. 1671, d. 1711/12) m. Sarah Woodward in 1695 4. Sarah Whitney (b. 1703, d. 1774) m. Andrew Parker

(1) ***************** We all know John and Elinor!

(2) ***************** |Whitney, Thomas #(-10.21)

Thomas Whitney was the son of John (-11.15) and Elinor Whitney. He was born 10 Dec 1627 in England. He emigrated to New England with his family in 1635. Thomas married Mary Kedall (-10.22), the daughter of John Kedall of Watertown, Massachusetts.

Married: 11 Jan 1654/55 in Watertown, MA

1.Thomas Whitney, b. 24 Aug 1656 in Watertown, Middlesex co. Massachusetts 2.John Whitney, b. 9 May 1659 3.John Whitney, b. 22 Aug 1660 4.Eleazar Whitney, b. 2 Sep 1662 in Watertown, Middlesex co. Massachusetts 5.Elnathan Whitney, b. 2 Sep 1662 6.Mary Whitney, b. 22 Dec 1663 7.Bezaleel Whitney, b. 16 Sep 1665 8.Sarah Whitney, b. 23 Mar 1665/66 9.Mary Whitney, b. 6 Aug 1668

• 10.Isaiah Whitney, b. 16 Sep 1671

11.Martha Whitney, b. 30 Jan 1672/73

(3) ***************** |Whitney, Isaiah #(-9.7) %

Isaiah Whitney (-9.7), his wife Sarah (-9.8) Isaiah was the son of Thomas Whitney (-10.21) and Mary Kedall (-10.22). Isaiah and Sarah Whitney were the parents of Sarah Whitney who married Andrew Parker. The Whitney's seem to have been a Lexington family. Isaiah died January 2, 1711/12 (Parker 1893, p. 41). Notation: "both owned the covenant 4 May 1699."

Married: Sarah Woodward in 1695

1.John Whitney, b. 6 Dec 1698 in Cambridge, Massachusetts 2.Isaiah Whitney, b. 1 Jun 1700 3.Nathaniel Whitney, b. ABT 1702

• 4.Sarah Whitney, b. 1703

5.Elijah Whitney, b. 2 Aug 1707 6.Abraham Whitney, b. 19 Feb 1709/10 in chr Lexington, Middlesex, Massachusetts 7.Mary Whitney (b.?) 8.Jonas Whitney (b.?)

(4) ***************** |Whitney, Sarah #(-8.4) %f

Sarah Whitney (-8.4) was baptized April 22, 1703 in Lexington, Massachusetts. She was the daughter of Isaiah and Sarah Whitney of Lexington, and the third of seven children. Sarah married Andrew Parker on August 2, 1720. Sarah and Andrew had twelve children, all baptized in Lexington. >1. Sarah Parker, b. February 9, 1720/21, m. June 21, 1739 to Jabez Kendall >2. Jonas Parker, b. february 6, 1721/22 d. April 19, 1775 >*3. Amos Parker (-7.3), b. July 27, 1723 >4. Elizabeth Parker, bapt. August 22, 1725, died young >5. Thomas Parker, bapt. December 24, 1727 >6. Abigail Parker, bapt. July 27, 1729 >7. Lucy Parker, bapt. April 4, 1731, m. May 24, 1750 to Joshua Mead >8. Elizabeth Parker, bapt. June 29, 1735 >9. Andrew Parker (ii), April 16, 1738 >10. Kezia Parker, bapt. June 1, 1740, m . June 1, 1759 to Joseph Wyman.

>11. Ebenezer Parker, bapt. February 28, 1742, d. February 20, 1743 >12. Mary Parker, bapt. October 21, 1744Sarah died on December 18, 1774, aged 70.

Please correct me if I'm wrong!

--Wulf

> Dear WRG: > > Here is some more bits and pieces I picked up looking at Whitney > entries in > the family history of another family. The title of the book from > which the > below is taken is: > > "John Parker of Lexington & Descendants from Deacon Thomas Parker of > Reading, > MA, 1635 - 1893", by Theodore Parker, 1893; Charles Hamilton Press. > Sutro > Library, San Francisco, CA, CS71 P24, 1893 > > p. 39 Andrew Parker, b. 14 Feb 1693, m. Sarah Whitney of Lexington > Aug. 20, > 1720 > p. 41 Sara, daughter of Isaiah & Sarah Whitney of Lexington, bap. 22 > Apr > 1703 as 3rd in family of seven. Made peace with the church > 4 Nov > 1724, when 3 of their children were baptized. Admitted to > the > church in 1728 (footnote - The grandfather, Eleazer Whitney, > was > settled at Cambridge Farms in 1693, where he died in 1697. > The > Whitneys, however, did not long remain in Lexington) > p. 57 Betsey Parker, b. 23 Mar 1769, m. Amos Whitney of Worcester, no > issue. > p. 61 Mary Mead, b. 1 May 1753, m. Dec. 3, 1772 Abraham Whitney > [a paragraph from "Watertown Genealogies" about John and > Elinor > Whitney] > Our Eleazer Whitney, father of Isaiah was doubtless [?-AEG] > the one > given in the > Watertown Genealogies as son of Thomas Whitney of Watertown, > and > baptized > 7 Apr 1662, twin brother of Elnathan <p. 643 (Watertown > Genealogies?)>, so therefore the lineage is Sarah-5, > Isaiah-4, > Eleazer(sic)-3, Thomas-2, John-1. > p. 101 Amos Parker, born in Hubbardston, 17 Oct 1777, m. Elizabeth > Whitney of > Bolton, daughter of the minister at Bolton. > p. 292 Charles E. Forrestal, b. Dec 17, 1823, m. June 27, 1850, Ann > Augusta > Whitney of Royalston. They lived in Winchendon. He d. 7 > Feb 1872, > she d. 10 Nov 1887. > p. 335 Joel Damon Parker, b. May 7, 1836, m. Dec. 26, 1864 to > Catherine M. > Whitney, > daughter of Francis N. and Catherine (Bird) Whitney. > p. 377 Lucy Whitney, native of Bolton, m. Joel Brown, a native of > Concord. > They lived > in Boylston and had a daughter, Mary Calista Brown, b. > Boylston, > Mar. 13, 1832 > p. 385 Ephraim Barnard, son of Phineas and Betsy (Whitney) Barnard, > b. 19 > Mar 1805, > married Dorothy Flagg Parker. Children: > 1. Eliza Ann Willard Barnard > 2. Sarah Parker Barnard, b. 13 Apr 1830, m. in Harvard, 29 > Mar > 1853, George Whitney of Stow, b. 28 Oct 1823, son of > Asa and > Sally (Brooks) Whitney. > 21. Frederick A. Whitney, b. Stow, April 8, 1858 > 22. Georgiana Whitney, b. Harvard, June 21, 1871 > > This is all the notes of Whitney references I could find in this > book. I > hope it will be useful to someone in the WRG. > > Allan E. Green > > "I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges?"

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:35:15 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" <[email protected]> Subject: Hiatus

Friends,

I have not been able to answer e-mail messages for about 2 weeks, and I'm not sure when I will be able to resume. My mother passed away on the 30th of July, so I had to travel to Florida, and now I am very busy dealing with her effects and the arrangements surrounding that event. In addition, we are remodeling. In addition, we are about to have several out-of-town guests. This is on top of all the usual tasks that fall to someone with a family, a house, and a full-time job.

My mother was, in addition to all the usual things, my teacher and mentor when I was learning to do genealogical research, and my partner in research later on. Her loss is very severely felt in many different ways.

Your messages have been received, and will be answered in due course. Please have patience!

Regards,

Robert

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:59:22 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Orange, Mass Vital Records

Can anyone give me any more info on the ancestry of Jabez Whitney b. ab.1769 and his wife Elizabeth (--------) b. ab. 1762. Living at Orange, MA. ab 1790- 1800s.

Fern Whiteley e-mail FernElaine@ aol.com

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:21:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Michael Poston" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Orange, Mass Vital Records

I believe that this Jabez is given in Pierce and may be in Jon Aston's Witney12. While Jabez is an uncommon name in the Whitney lines, the Jabez born in 1769 and married to Elizabeth is NOT the same Jabez that was born in 1780 and at his marriage in 1804 to Abigail Milk Wheeler in Chesterville, ME, was listed as being of North Yarmouth, ME.

That said, I'm interested in the forebears of any Jabez Whitney. Got any?

Mike Poston Rockville, MD

On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 [email protected] wrote:

> Can anyone give me any more info on the ancestry of Jabez Whitney b. ab.1769 > and > his wife Elizabeth (--------) b. ab. 1762. Living at Orange, MA. ab 1790- > 1800s. > > Fern Whiteley e-mail FernElaine@ aol.com >

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From: "John L. Whitney" <[email protected]> To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> Subject: John Whitney, Maine Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:36:24 -0400

Seek ancestors, siblings, and first marriage of John Whitney, who according to the 1850 St. Johns County Fla Census , said he was born in Maine and was 50 years old. He married Mahala Clark at Harpswell, Cumberland, Maine in June, 1845 and arrived in Savannah, Ga, late November or early December 1845 while enroute to Florida. They first settled at Picolata (St. Johns County) and later moved south east near the coast to farm. Mahala's mother was Lucinda Clark who married David Orr of Orr's Island in 1843. The had at least one son named Harmon. John's occupation in 1850 was carpenter and in 1860 he listed as a farmer. Any information or clues to his relatives will be deeply

appreciated.

John L. Whitney [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:48:41 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Orange, Mass Vital Records

Dear Fern:

1) There is a Jabez Whitney, born 8 Jan 1750 "O.S.", son of Joshua and Phebe Whitney (see also #4 below) of Medway, MA. A Jabez married Mrs. Experience Fairbank(s) in Medway in 1771. A Jabez and Experience Whitney had a daughter, Priscilla, born in Wrentham, MA, 4 Feb 1774. They had a son, Jabez (Jr.), in Hinsdale, MA, b. 7 Jun 1793.

An intent of a Jabez to marry a Mrs. _____ Davis is also recorded in Hinsdale, MA, bef. 27 Jul 1806. Further, Peru, MA, VR's show a marriage of a Jabez Whitney of Hinsdale to Hannah Davis on 6 Mar 1806.

Hinsdale deaths show a death for a Jabez Whitney, 30 Jan 1825, age 74 - which would logically be this man. Also shown in the Hinsdale deaths is a Lealand Whitney, son of Jabez and Experience, d. 23 Jun _____, age 7; death of wife Experience 19 Nov 1805; and a ______, ch. Jabez, d. 1804.

2) Phillipston, MA, VR show the death of a Jabez Whitney, 20 Apr 1849, aged 81.

3) Windsor, MA, VR show the death of a Jabez Whitney, 30 Jan 1825, in either 72nd (Congregational Church Record) or 76th year (town record - spelled Jabiz)

4) A Joshua and Pheebe Whitney had other children born at Uxbridge, MA in the 1730's and 1740's, which suggests that they moved from that place to Medway in the late 1740's, just prior to the birth of Jabez in #1 above. I can find no record of a marriage (in MA VRs) of any Joshua Whitney to a woman named Phoebe, Phebe, Pheebe or any other spelling that could possibly be used. The Whitny12 database has a Joshua Whitney, b. 1769 in Lunenburg, MA, son of Joshua and Marcy (---?---) Whitney, married to a Phebe Parker - no other data (no date or place), but this would, of course, be far too late to be the Joshua who had children with a Phebe in the 1730's - 1750.

Don't know how much this might help, but this is all I could find. Perhaps Jon can find these people in the Pierce.

Happy Hunting:-)

Allan

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To: [email protected] From: Amanda Carbery <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY's GIN 1793 Eli Whitney Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:18:28 +1100

Hello everyone

Apart from family history I endeavour to obtain detail of the social histories pertaining at the time.

I'm sure you all the Eli WHITNEY researchers have the following info, but I thought I would post it here for any collectors....

The Age of History - King Cotton

By the late 1780s the textile industry had been transformed. Machines had solved most problems and could now do nearly everything, from spinning thread to presing and rolling the finshing cloth. The demand for raw cotton soared. But here was another problem. It was simple enough to grow cotton, but difficult to clean the cotton 'bolls'. Once the answer had been found, cotton went on to become the most important product in the world.

WHITNEY'S GIN The southern states of the USA had once grown rich on tobacco and rice and cheap slave labour. Now the land was exhausted and slavery was in decline. Cotton farms made little money because it was so hard to separate the long cotton fibres from the gren seeds. It took 20hours of hard work to produce on kilogram of cotton.

Then, in 1793, farmer's son Eli WHITNEY designed his cotton gin. This was a wooden drum stuck with hooks. As it turned, the hooks pulled the cotton fibres through a mesh. The seeds would not fit through the mesh and fell outside. With this simple machine, WHITNEY made cotton-growing a big business. Now, a worker could clean fifty times more cotton than before.

SLAVERY IN THE SOUTH The effect of WHITNEY's invention was dramatic. Vast new areas of land in the southern states were planted with cotton.

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I hope this information has been of interested to an Eli WHITNEY researcher.

Regards Mandy

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:54:04 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janis Whitaker) Subject: Unconnected Whitney?

Dear WRG, I have come across another Maine Whitney that isn't in the database:Aaron, b. ca 1773 died 15 Feb.1847 A. 74y. Buried in Saccarappa Cemetery, Westbrook, ME. Also his wife Olive S., Died 10 Dec.1844, a. 75y. Hope this will help someone. Cheers-Jan

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From: "Richard W. McEachin" <[email protected]>

To: <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney Clan Info Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:07:29 -0000

Am looking for any info on my mother's father's roots. His name was Newman Abijah John Whitney Born 2/9/1875 in Kandiyohi County, Minn. He married Eleanor Nell Duagherty who was born 3/15/1875 also in Kandiyohi. Any info would be appreciated. Richard W. McEachin, Kansas

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From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:25:49 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Whitney notes

Dear WRG:

For those of you who might wish to send Robert Ward a brief personal note of condolance, his address is <[email protected]>. Having been the recipient of your kind messages on the occasion of my own mother's passing two years ago, I can say that brief notes from my on-line cousins were most appreciated.

I have mentioned from time to time the generosity of Ken Dill of the NE-Roots list, who is typing in extracts from the 1881 Machias (ME) Union (newspaper).

There were two Whitney items in the most recent of these, and he has given

me permission to copy them to you.

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Bodwell Granite Company

 At Jonesboro have 27 men in and about the quarry at work.
 They employ ten oxen, besides four oxen and two horses hired of Mr.

S.T. Andrews, Mr. A. himself being teamster.

 Ephraim Whitney is General Superintendent, of Granite Company and the

Jonesboro Lumber Company. Stephen W. Reed has immediate charge of Quarry business, with Wm. Abbot Assistant.

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(From June 7th, 1881 issue)

The death of the Rev. Geo. W. Whitney, late pastor of the Universalist

church in Augusta, occured May 26 at the residence of his father in Waltham, Mass., the cause being consumption.

                                             * * * * * * *

I have been working on expanding the lines of the family of Moses and Sarah Knight Whitney, and have taken a number of them out about three generations further, mostly those who remained in the Stow - Harvard area for well over 100 years. I will be sending another Gedcom to Jon Aston on these fairly soon, but if there is anyone who is interested in this line of descendancy, please write to me and I will try to pass on what information you need. This will extend the work that Robert Ward has available on his web site by about two more generations in many cases.

Happy Hunting!

Allan

(I owe you two quips - I forgot last time)

"Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool" "A day without sunshine is like, you know, night."

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:26:53 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Connecticut Whitneys To: ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Hello Whitney cousins!

For all of you researching the descendants of HENRY OF CONNECTICUT, I am the one who has volunteered to maintain the Connecticut Whitneys database. Allan Green has sent me the Gedcom for this line as a starting point. Joan Hicks, who has helped us over the years, will be sending me everything she has collected on the Ct. Whitneys (related paper documents, notes etc.) soon. Joan has successfully survived throat cancer but has asked to be relieved of this duty.

The descendants for Henry (b. abt 1620, England), as they are recorded in the database, are included on Robert Ward's web site, for those of you who wish to take a look.

Over the past 2 weeks, I have been attempting to update & confirm the database with my limited resources: 1) New England Historic Genealogical Register CDs 2) GenServ Gedcom submissions

I believe the database began with the writings of S. Whitney Phoenix - who wrote 3 massive volumes on "The Whitneys of Connecticut..". SAVAGE has also been referenced. Other sources I have noticed while searching in GenServ include the following:

"Immigrant Ancestors" by Virkus "History of Norwalk, Ct" by Rev. C.M. Selleck 1896

Anyone having actual copies of the above or the PHOENIX books, let me know!

HENRY (b. abt 1620, England), had only one known son: John (b. abt. 1642 and d. 1720). John Whitney (son of Henry) and Elizabeth Smith had 11 children - 4 daughters and 7 sons.

Members known to have connections to children of JOHN WHITNEY and ELIZABETH SMITH are:

HENRY WHITNEY (3rd child) Jo Ann Sebasta

RICHARD WHITNEY (5th child) Mary Ann Lindsay

NATHAN WHITNEY (9th child) Judy Arnold Barb Oliver

• • • Please confirm your data as written on Robert's web site -- some dates

and places for your lines are missing. I would like to receive a current Gedcom from each of you (including all of your source notes, if possible) so I can have the most accurate information.

If any of you are connected to Henry and not on the above list, please send me your Gedcom.

Shortly I will be adding a Gedcom to my Web Site on the Whitneys so it can be available to searchers on the Internet.

As queries come in, I will check this new database for connections and hopefully help more of you.

-) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse

16 Aug 1997 My e-mail address: [email protected]

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:53:12 -0700 From: The Lindsays <[email protected]> To: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: Connecticut Whitneys

Wow, Jeanne, this is great! Thanks from all of us for "maintaining" Henry 1620! There are others who are connected to Henry 1620, one is Hugh David Barrett. I hope the others will get a hold of you. Will be looking forward to more insight into Henry. I would have volunteered to help, but as you know I had a lot of family crisis the last few months. And besides that, I am not as good a researcher as you guys. I am grateful to you for taking up the cause. And thank God for taking care of my pal, Joan Hicks. MAL

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:17:57 -0500 To: [email protected] From: John Hrusovszky <[email protected]> Subject: New Whitney Line?

I was wondering if anyone has information on this line of Whitney's :

Moses Whitney b. England, d. Maine, USA. m. Charlotte Cromwell

Children: James, William, Edward, Samuel, George, Henry L, Annie,
Jane, Lucy, Emma.

Henry L. Whitney b. 06 Apr. 1852, d. Sep 1923, m. Alethea Staple

Children: Jennie, Luella, Lugene, Elmer, Donald

Elmer Louis Whitney b. 20 Jun. 1902, d. 29 May 1961, m. Mary Ethyl Spice

Children: Mary Mae, Edmund Elmer, Arlene Carol, Linda Lou

Mary Mae Whitney b. 15 Jun. 1928 m. Melvin Louis Salzman

Children: Phillip, Dennis, Steve, Carol, Christopher

Henry L. Whitney was born in Aroastock County in Maine on 06 Apr 1852. At the age of 16, he began work in Lumber Camps on the Mattawamkeag and Penobscot Rivers. In 1885, he moved to Sherry, WI (Wood County). It is rumored that something happened in Maine and there was falling out with the family when he moved.

T-Net SysAdmin.

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From: "John L. Whitney" <[email protected]>

To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> Subject: "The Whitney's of Connecticut" Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:54:01 -0400

The above volumes by S. Whitney Phoenix is available at the Familh History Library in Salt. Lake. While there I believe I saw a reference to it being available on Microfilm. I copied the film number, but don't have it at hand this minute, but anyone can get it through any LDS family history center. There is a great deat of information in these three volumes. John L. Whitney

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From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:45:33 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Fwd: "The Whitney's of Connecticut"

Dear WRG:

Older members will please forgive this - you've seen it before, but newer members may not have caught it the last time it was discussed. Apropos the message cited below from John Whitney -

The Phoenix book is the one, great source for the family of Henry Whitney (generally referred to as the CT Whitneys), b. ca 1620 SOMEWHERE IN ENGLAND, who came first to Long Island sometime in the 1640's and later removed to Norwalk, CT. He had one known son, John, who came from England with him.

From this Henry and John on down, the book is very valuable.

However, the information about Henry's English ancestry is TOTALLY UNRELIABLE, being the result of a fraud perpetrated on Mr. Phoenix by an unscrupulous English female person (I will NOT call her a lady) named Mrs. DeSalis, supposedly a professional genealogist/researcher, who forged records and cited non-existant documentation in giving Henry an English ancestry.

For a more complete discussion of this fraud, see the two articles from The American Genealogist magazine about the Whitney family posted on Robert Ward's web page at:

http://www.erols.com/rlward1/Whitney/

One was written by Donald Lines Jacobus and the other by Paul Reed. I also have somewhere in my huge mass of paper collected the last time I was in England, a xerox copy of a report on the fraud that I found among the loose Whitney papers in a file folder in the Library of the British Society of Genealogists. I already owe someone a copy of that report (can't remember who right off hand), and when I dig it out, I'll be happy to send it to anyone else who wants it.

All this warning to the notwithstanding, by all means find anything you can from the data about the family after their coming to America.

Allan E. Green

"Atheism is a non-prophet organization."

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Forwarded message: From: [email protected] (John L. Whitney) To: [email protected] ('[email protected]') Date: 97-08-16 12:57:18 EDT

The above volumes by S. Whitney Phoenix is available at the Familh History Library in Salt. Lake. While there I believe I saw a reference to it being available on Microfilm. I copied the film number, but don't have it at hand this minute, but anyone can get it through any LDS family history center. There is a great deat of information in these three volumes. John L. Whitney

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From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:08:13 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: "The Whitney's of Connecticut"

Dear WRG:

I forgot to mention in my last message that I think I found that the Phoenix book is also available on microfilm at the Sutro Library (branch of the California State Library) in San Francisco. I looked at the books themselves at that location, but they were not to be put on the copier because of the fragile binding, so I think I remember that they were available on microfilm for the purpose of making copies.

Allan

"On the other hand, you have different fingers."

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:11:03 -0700 From: The Lindsays <[email protected]> To: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: Connecticut Whitneys

Hi Jeanne, Looks like we started another "conversation" on Henry 1620. Barbara Black in Sacramento missed your message so I forwarded it to her. As I remember, she has Henry in her line. Well, as Allan says, we cannot prove Henry's English ancestry. Wonder where he was born??? I will look at Robert Ward's page again and see what it looks like. I only remember sending in MY line, do not know about "starting" database, will check it out. Didn't Allan send it to him? If Allan sent it, it must be correct. I have a lot of the other info that Joan sent me, I hope she is sending you all that. (Bless her heart and continued good health to her) I am hoping you will put some of the "biographies" of the main descendants on your page, I am not so computer minded, (like every one knows) so I do not think I could do that much with my page. My kid and brother had to help with my homepage! I just write it and they edit it. I am going to take some stuff off of it and make it simpler, since a lot of you Whitneys and my other cousins now have my line on their pages. I just link to them. I feel like EVERYONE is my cousin now. My husband and son are going to Scotland and England next week but I really doubt they will do any research for me, they are not that interested in my "obsession". Thanks again and if I can help, let me know. I will do my best. After all, Henry is my 8th gr grandfather! MAL

(http://netdex.com/~malincal)

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 08:55:10 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Joshua Whitney & Wealthy Jane Estey To: ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Hello again cousins: Seems to be alot of activity on my master database (jwmall.ged) on the internet. Have been getting messages from folks on lines I haven't worked on in many years.

Here's one on a WHITNEY that I thought might help someone. (Don't you adore Ruth's e-mail address? <g>) ;-) Jeanne

>>

From: [email protected] (Ruth E Schaffer) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:30:22 EDT

I found the reference I wanted....

Richard Estey b. 14 feb 1771 (Daniel, Aaron, Aaron, Isaac, Isaac) d. 5 Jan 1853 m. Caroline Fox reference Early Marriage of the Fox Family and VR of Topsfield MA to 1849 marriage date 19 Mar 1824 Caroline was Richards second Wife his first wife was Caroline's Sister Wealthy Jane whom he married in 1820 she d. prior to 1823.

Children: Wealthy Jane b 24 January 1825 in Derry NH m Joshua Wihitney on Jan 23, 1842 reference VR to 1849 Ipswich MA

Caroline Elizabeth b. Oct 10, 1827

I have this line back to Jeffrey Estye in Freston Suffolk

Ruth

Researching: Esty, Estey, Easty, Gay, Bisbee, Rogers (ME), Sumner, Tsczkiewicz<<

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:23:58 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Connecticut Whitneys

Dear WRG:

A couple of added thoughts re this and our other databases. You might want to give some thought to the question of providing precise information about living persons, or even the immediate preceding generation. The reason for this is the possibility that this data could be used to perpetrate a fraud on you. For example, at the present time, my mother's maiden name and her birthdate are the identifying elements that one of my credit card companies uses to confirm my identity when I call them at their 800 number with a question or problem with the service of my account. This information IS currently available on Randy's website. I will be changing the identifier (if that isn't a word, it ought to be) shortly. Possibly none of us (unless someone has failed to admit to descent from the banking or horse-racing Whitneys) are sufficiently wealthy to be a target for the professional crooks.

I don't know that anyone, certainly not I, wants to try and make a "rule" on this matter, but there are some places where data on living persons cannot be published. I simply felt the question should be raised and let everyone decide for themselves how to handle it.

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A further notice from the Machias (ME) Union, dated June 14, 1881. The "box" is mine.

                        THE CROCKER FAMILY

 John Crocker a native of Lunenburg, Mass. removed to Annapolis N S. in

about 1759. His first wife died at Annapolis.

 Among the "Original thirteen" who settled Machias were Westbrook Berry

and wife. Mr Berry died shortly after coming to Machias. John Crocker married Westbrook Berry's widow. Mrs Berry before marrying was Jane Freeman and Jane the wife of John Crocker nee Berry was the first white woman who lived in Machias.

 John Crocker's children of his first marriage did not come from Nova

Scotia, except the eldest son James; he came to Machias in 1769 and married Rebecca, daughter of Westbrook and Jane Berry. Paul and Betsey were the other first children of John. Rebecca was the first white child born in Machias.

 James and Rebecca's children were John, Betsey, Otis, Sally and Polly

twins, Olive, Catharine, Mariner, Caleb, Hannah, Ulmer.

 John married Sally Berry; children were Harrison, S Gould, John died

young, Thomas, Nathan, John, Mary, Rebecca.

 Betsey married Henry Lyons; children were Albert, James, Ludlow,

William, Warren, Hannah, Rebecca, Amelia. Albert only is living.

 Otis married Sarah F. O'Brien; children were Lewis who died young,

Helen J, Annette, Henrietta, Sarah E.

 Sally married Henry Thaxter; children, Harra, Jane D, Robert, Levi B,

Laura E, A Wallace, Jane. _______________________________________________________ [ Polly married Ephraim Whitney; children Otis, Emma, Arathusa.] [______________________________________________________]

 Olive married Wm F Penniman; children Moses, Laura, Jacob, Sarah, Mary

Olive, Elizabeth, Hannah.

 Catharine married Col Wm Burnham; children Lewis, Job, Rebecca,

Alfred, Sarah, Susan, Hannah, Catharine.

 Mariner married Martha Longfellow; children Alvin G, Mercy, Mary Jane,

Hannah, Cyrus, Susan, Francis, Newell.

 Caleb married Cynthia Longfellow; children Caroline, Olive, Julia.
 Hannah married Amos B Longfellow; one child Mrs Lydia Heaton.
 Ulmer married Agnes Spear of Thomaston; no children, Mrs Crocker's

second husband was the late Jotham Lippineott; Mrs L surviving.

 John Crocker senior married Jane Berry; children Simeon, Mary.
 Simeon married Catharine Watherhouse; children Oliver W, Stephen B,

Jane F, Martha G, Abigail, Elvira, George, Enoch S, Mary.

 Oliver W married Lucinda Chaloner; Stephen B married Jane Starrett;

Jane F married Wm Holmes 1st, Rufus Foss 2nd; Martha G married Levi Bowker; Abigail married Wm Flynn; Elvira married Sherburne Huse; George married Lucinda Harmon; Enoch S married Adaline Jordan; Mary married John F Harmon.

 When Westbrook Berry left Scarboro in May 1763 he took his only cow on

board the scow with the emigrants. Before reaching Machias the cow fell overboard and was lost.

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I hope someone can lay claim to Ephraim and descendants.

Happy Hunting:-)

Allan

"Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine"

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:10:37 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Whitney

I am very new at this.

Can anyone out there send me any information about "my" Whitneys?

Deacon James Whitney, b. Dec 28, 1692 - d. April 10, 1779

 married Martha Rice
   one of their sons

Benjamin Rice Whitney, b. 1727 - d. 1794

 married Esther Leland   they lived in Framingham, Mass.
   one of their sons

James Whitney, b. Oct. 21, 1755

 married Susanna Hill    they lived in Sherborn, Mass.
   one of their sons

Martin Whitney, b. June 7, 1787 - d. 1850

 married Nancy Orne       they lived in Sherborn, Mass

Any help with any of the above would be truly appreciated.

A fellow Whitney in search of more family information. Mary Anne in Los Angeles

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:54:09 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Wm. Whitney/1820 Mississippi

Seeking any information on William Whitney in Jefferson Co, Mississippi in 1820? page 59..................100021-20020-0 1 male 45 or older 2 females 26-45 2 males 26-45 2 females less than 10 years. 1male less than 10years

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:58:14 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Madison Co. Alabama

Seeking any information on a William whitney found on the 1818 tax rolls in

Huntsville,  Madison Co. Alabama....?.

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:15:41 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Fwd: "The Whitney's of Connecticut"

Thank you for the information on the fraudulant English history of the Whitney's of CN. Could you please send me a copy of the article you refer to.

Thanks again Linda D.

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:19:20 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]>

Subject: Whitney To: "INTERNET:WHITNEY-L@rootsw" <[email protected]>

Mary Anne in Los Angeles wrote on 8/17/97:

>>Can anyone out there send me any information about "my" Whitneys?

Deacon James Whitney, b. Dec 28, 1692 - d. April 10, 1779 married Martha Rice one of their sons Benjamin Rice Whitney, b. 1727 - d. 1794 married Esther Leland they lived in Framingham, Mass. one of their sons James Whitney, b. Oct. 21, 1755 married Susanna Hill they lived in Sherborn, Mass. one of their sons Martin Whitney, b. June 7, 1787 - d. 1850 married Nancy Orne they lived in Sherborn, Mass<<

I can identify DEACON JAMES WHITNEY as: James-4 WHITNEY (John-3, Jonathan-2, John-1) direct descendant of John and Elinor of Watertown.

My Source Notes: Deacon James Whitney, son of John and Mary (Hapgood) Whitney: (b. 28 Dec 1692 Sherborn, Mass; d. 10 Apr 1770; m. 1\2 Feb 1714/15 in Watertown, Mass) "History and Genealogy of the Towns of Sherborn & Holliston, Mass." by Abner Morse, Boston, 156 p. 258 "Inherited land abt 1767, the homestead at Edward West's plain."

Birth and Death recorded in Bond p646. "of Fram., m. (1st) Feb. 2 1714-15, Martha Rice. They were dismissed to Sherb. Church, Mar. 28, 1728, where he was chosen Deacon, and where he m. (2d), 1732, Elizabeth Twitchell." Died "aged 77"

Martha Rice (b. Abt 1694 d. 1 Jul 1731, Sherborn, Middlesex, Massachusetts) was the daughter of Jonathan Rice.

8 Children and descendants of this couple are in our database which is on Robert Ward's web site.

-) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 02:40:56 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Whitney

Hi Jeanne and everyone else:

I have answered Mary Anne Cosgrove and am preparing a GEDCOM to send to her that takes her Deacon James back to John & Elinor (and Thomas and Mary). I am also going to add your sources for the data in that line to those I have found myself - other VR's - some things from Robert Ward on wills and administrations.

She has run into a lot of trouble that I don't know how to help her solve.

Maybe someone else in the WRG can come up with a suggestion.  She is using a

Mac and is on AOL. She is able to access Robert Ward's website, but within a very short time - a minute - she gets an error message that says that "an error of the 11th type" has occurred and she must "restart". Never having had that happen to me (I avoid using AOL as a web browser completely), I have no idea what is happening here. It may be a Mac problem or it may be an AOL problem.

Jon - I still will be sending you several GEDCOMs fairly soon to merge into Whitny12, places where I've added quite a bit to some lines that were previously very sketchy - like only one child, the one in a line of descent, in each generation's family, etc. I've been coordinating data from Robert Ward with the VR's and a few other sources, and virtually every date and place is now sourced and many are also "noted".

Linda - I got your note asking about a copy of the "article I referred to" on the fraud. Is this one of the ones that can be found on Robert Ward's website, from The American Genealogist, by Donald Lines Jacobus and Paul Reed? They do discuss the unreliability. Or, do you mean the typescript report I found in the Library in London? That one is somewhere here but may be a while coming. My daughter is here for 4 or 5 days with her fiance and his helper, who are putting a new roof on the house for me. This is taking quite a bit of time. If that British report is the one you want, drop me a private note with your snailmail address, as it is about six or seven typewritten pages long and I don't want to retype it. I'll xerox it and mail it to you. I promised it to someone else, who needs to remind me - I do have your message somewhere in my pile of mail, and will find it if I don't get the reminder, but it might take longer.

I'm delighted to see the activity on the list picking up. There have been a couple of inquiries from people who have just discovered us and joined our happy band, and I have not been able to come up with any answers for them.

Has anyone else been able to assist them?  I have kept their postings and

will continue to look, but if they have already been taken in hand by someone else among the "oldbies", I'll gladly spend that time on other things.

Happy Hunting!!

Allan

"Honk if you love peace and quiet"

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:38:47 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: More Whitneyville, MI, Whitneys

These are ancestors I am researching. I am trying to find the origin of the alleged Ezra Leonard Whitney. My theory is that he was the Ezra, son of James, brother of Zerah, who came to Cascade, MI in 1837. Only a theory at this point. 1. EZRA (LEONARD?)1 WHITNEY. He married JULIA ? in NY State?. Notes for JULIA ?: The census lists her as being from New Hampshire.Family tradition says that father of Leonard Ezra was Ezra Leonard. This family of the 1850 census is my family, from the birth year of Leonard and the place. This is the first I learned his mother's name, Julia, if this is his mother, and his siblings. I noticed in the Kent County Clerk index, Book 11, page 96, that a Julia M. Whitney married an Edwin Cone. I don't know the date. This could explain why she disappears in later censuses. A Coon family lived next door to her in the 1850 census. Also living next door is a John and Jennet Whitney, both age 22, with a child Cynthia less than a year old. That would be 8/12, born around January, 1850. Could John be her older son? She must have earlier children. There is no Ezra in the family. Perhaps he went to the Gold Rush with Martin Van Buren Whitney!

Research: Marr. Rec. of Ezra Whitney, New Castle, Rockingham, New Hampshire, 1823

 LDS film 170627 Town Records of New Castle

1860 Michigan Census for William Whitney and possible marriage records. Marriage indexes for Juliett and Nancy J. Whitney, around 1860 and 1865, resp.

 A Nan Whitney married Rene G. Curtis, Kent Co. Bk. 13 p. 243

Civil War Records at the National Archives on Varick St. might provide some information about the parentage of Leonard (and possibly William).

 Children of EZRA WHITNEY and JULIA ? are:
 i.  WILLIAM2 WHITNEY, b. 1840.

Notes for WILLIAM WHITNEY: I believe this is the William Whitney that served in Co. B, 6th Michigan Inf. Died Jan 25, 1921, because he was born in 1840 and because all the Whitneys served in the Civil War if they could. Worth checking out, although there were no fewer than nine William Whitneys who served in the GAR from Michigan!

 ii.  JULIET WHITNEY, b. Abt. 1842.

2. iii. LEONARD EZRA WHITNEY, b. 7 Feb 1843, NY State?; d. 1909, Freeport, Barry, MI.

 iv.  NANCY J. WHITNEY, b. Abt. 1847.

Generation No. 2

2. LEONARD EZRA2 WHITNEY (EZRA LEONARD1) was born 7 Feb 1843 in NY State?, and died 1909 in Freeport, Barry, MI. He married SARAH JANE BEERS/BURRAS? 24 May 1863, daughter of DANIEL BEARS/BURRIS?.

Notes for LEONARD EZRA WHITNEY: Leonard Ezra Whitney served in the Civil War: Enlisted 2ncd Co Sharpshooters, 27 Infantry, Feb 29, 1864, at Grand Rapids, Michigan for 3 years, Age 21. Mustered Feb 29, 1864. Discharged at David's Island, NY Harbor, May 19, 1865.

 Children of LEONARD WHITNEY and SARAH BEERS/BURRAS? are:

3. i. CHARLES W.3 WHITNEY, b. 14 Jun 1864; d. 1951.

 ii.  ESTHER JANE WHITNEY, b. 27 Jan 1867.

4. iii. WILBUR FREDRICK WHITNEY, b. 5 Jul 1869, Cascade, Kent Co, MI; d. 11 Jul 1935, Barry Co, MI.

 iv.  WILLARD FRANKLIN WHITNEY, b. 5 Jul 1869, Cascade Twsp, KentC, MI; d. 15

Sep 1869, Cascade Twnshp, KentC, MI.

 v.  FRANKLIN PIERCE WHITNEY, b. 27 Aug 1873.
 vi.  EZRA LEROY WHITNEY, b. 27 Dec 1876; m. JUNE MONTAGUE.

Generation No. 3

3. CHARLES W.3 WHITNEY (LEONARD EZRA2, EZRA LEONARD1) was born 14 Jun 1864, and died 1951.

 Children of CHARLES W. WHITNEY are:
 i.  CLARICE4 WHITNEY.
 ii.  TIMOTHY WHITNEY.

4. WILBUR FREDRICK3 WHITNEY (LEONARD EZRA2, EZRA LEONARD1) was born 5 Jul 1869 in Cascade, Kent Co, MI, and died 11 Jul 1935 in Barry Co, MI. He married SUSANAH ELLEN JULIA J HEINTZELMAN 20 Sep 1894, daughter of EDWARD HEINTZELMAN and MARY BRIDEGAM. Notes for SUSANAH ELLEN JULIA J HEINTZELMAN: The Heintzelmans have a family reunion every July in Michigan, near Grand Rapids. Joyce Wilkins might have the details.

 Children of WILBUR WHITNEY and SUSANAH HEINTZELMAN are:

5. i. BERTHA MAE4 WHITNEY, b. 18 Jan 1892, KentC, MI; d. 18 May 1972, BarryC, MI.

 ii.  MARSHALL LEROY WHITNEY, b. 11 Nov 1895; d. 5 Jul 1914.

6. iii. MAIZIE BELLE WHITNEY, b. 16 Jan 1899; d. 21 Mar 1979. 7. iv. MASON LYNN WHITNEY, b. 5 May 1901; d. 3 Jan 1986.

 v.  MAURICE LEVI WHITNEY, b. 19 Feb 1905; d. 21 Mar 1987.

8. vi. MARY MARIE WHITNEY, b. 22 Feb 1911, Broomfld, Isabella, MI. 9. vii. ESTHER RUTH WHITNEY, b. 20 Sep 1914. 10. viii. LLOYD EZRA WHITNEY, b. 24 Oct 1917; d. 20 May 1989.

 ix.  LAURA VIRGINIA WHITNEY, b. 20 Jun 1922; d. Apr 1923.

Generation No. 4

5. BERTHA MAE4 WHITNEY (WILBUR FREDRICK3, LEONARD EZRA2, EZRA LEONARD1) was born 18 Jan 1892 in KentC, MI, and died 18 May 1972 in BarryC, MI. She married (1) IRA HOOPER Bef. 1916. She married (2) WALTER LEWIS Aft. 1916.

 Child of BERTHA WHITNEY and IRA HOOPER is:

11. i. BEATRICE MAE5 HOOPER, b. 1914.

 Children of BERTHA WHITNEY and WALTER LEWIS are:
 ii.  RAYMOND5 HOOPER/LEWIS, b. 1922.
 iii.  CLARA BELLE LEWIS, b. 1917; d. 1967; m. JOEL HUMMEL.

6. MAIZIE BELLE4 WHITNEY (WILBUR FREDRICK3, LEONARD EZRA2, EZRA LEONARD1) was born 16 Jan 1899, and died 21 Mar 1979. She married LLOYD VICTOR WILKINS 10 Sep 1919.

 Children of MAIZIE WHITNEY and LLOYD WILKINS are:
 i.  JUNE ESTHER5 WILKINS, b. 11 Jun 1920; d. 25 Dec 1920.

12. ii. LLOYD ARNOLD WILKINS, b. 1921.

7. MASON LYNN4 WHITNEY (WILBUR FREDRICK3, LEONARD EZRA2, EZRA LEONARD1) was born 5 May 1901, and died 3 Jan 1986. He married (1) MANETTA MILLER. He married (2) CECILIA BRADY.

 Children of MASON WHITNEY and CECILIA BRADY are:
 i.  DAWN5 WHITNEY.
 ii.  RAY WHITNEY.

8. MARY MARIE4 WHITNEY (WILBUR FREDRICK3, LEONARD EZRA2, EZRA LEONARD1) was born 22 Feb 1911 in Broomfld, Isabella, MI. She married CLYDE LEE DEMING 3 Feb 1927, son of ROY DEMING and ELLA LEE.

 Children of MARY WHITNEY and CLYDE DEMING are:

13. i. LESTER GEORGE5 DEMING, b. 6 Oct 1928. 14. ii. JUNE ROSE DEMING, b. 10 Jun 1931, Kent Co, MI. 15. iii. DONALD LEE DEMING, b. 26 Nov 1934; d. 10 Aug 1995. 16. iv. CARL OWEN DEMING, b. 6 Jun 1939.

 v.  ELDRED C. DEMING, b. 8 Feb 1944.

9. ESTHER RUTH4 WHITNEY (WILBUR FREDRICK3, LEONARD EZRA2, EZRA LEONARD1) was born 20 Sep 1914. She married ORELO KOHL.

 Child of ESTHER WHITNEY and ORELO KOHL is:

17. i. MARIE5 KOHL.

10. LLOYD EZRA4 WHITNEY (WILBUR FREDRICK3, LEONARD EZRA2, EZRA LEONARD1) was born 24 Oct 1917, and died 20 May 1989. He married JUNE COLSON MONTIGUE 26 Jun 1943 in Wellington, NZ.

 Children of LLOYD WHITNEY and JUNE MONTIGUE are:

18. i. PHILIP5 WHITNEY.

 ii.  NANCY WHITNEY.
 iii.  ANNE WHITNEY.

19. iv. DEAN WHITNEY. 20. v. HEATHER WHITNEY.

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:48:40 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Whitney Cc: [email protected]

Mary Ann,

At 02:30 PM 8/18/97 -0400, you wrote: >You were so kind in giving me your sources but may I inquire, >what is Bond and where can I find it?

"Bond" is: Bond, Henry, Genealogies of the Families and Descendants of the Early Settlers of Watertown, Massachusetts, Including Waltham and Weston; to Which is Appended the Early History of the Town. With Illustrations, Maps, and Notes. Volume I, Genealogies (2nd ed., 1860), pp. 642-652; Vol. II, Additions, Corrections, and Early History (1855), pp. 964-966.

I have a copy, and am willing to make extracts for you.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward [email protected] http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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From: "sheila peel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]>

Subject: Whitney bible records Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:45:48 -0700

  Hi, I have some information on the Whitney side of my family.  I can't

say that I go back that far but maybe this information will be helpful to someone.

 My grandmothers last name was Whitney.  She married my grandfather Herman

Stratton on 2/10/1921 in Penn Yan, NY. Her given name was Grace Mae.

 Her parents names were Lewis J. Whitney and Florence A.Chase.
 Lewis was b. 1867 m. 5/3/1988 d. 9/14/1912 age 45

 There children were as follows:
 Jefferson L. Whitney b. 9/14/1889 d.?
 Deforest B. Whitney b. 8/17/1891 d.10/8/1918 in USNG Age 27 years 2mo.
 James Leon Whitney b.6/4/1893 d.1/10/1952
 William C. Whitney b. 8/21/1895 d.2/9/1923
 Oliver W. Whitney b.10/8/1897 d.3/28/1898 age 5 mo. 18 days
 Grace Mae Whitney b. 5/11/1899 m. 2/10/1921 d.8/3/1949

 I have no knowledge of which Whitney tree that I am descended from.  Can

anyone help in my quest. Also in this bible were the listings for the Chase side of the family.

 Levi D.Chase married Minerva Fenton 2/13/1869.

 Their daughter Florence Chase married Lewis J. Whitney. 5/3/1888.

 As far as I know the Whitneys were all located in New York State but

Connecticut and Massachusetts are so close they may have descended from those lines. Any clues?

 Thanks,    Sheila Stratton-Peel
 [email protected]

 Jeff

 Jefferson

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:26:42 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: Caroline McGillivray <[email protected]> Subject: Ebenezer Whitney

 I am amazed at the amount of Whitney research that is going on in North

America these days, and I am hoping that someone out there has information on my Ebenezer Whitney. Ebenezer, who was probably born in the late 1840's married Jan. 17, 1769, at Sheffield, New Brunswick, Huldah Mooer(s), born June 24, 1751, in Rowley, Massachusettes, to Peter Mooers and Mary Howes. Several researchers have been looking for years for Ebenezer's parents. It has been published that he was a son of Deanon Samuel and Lydia Whitney from Maine. However, nobody has been able to find documents to prove this.

 Ebenezer may have been a part of the migration from Massachusetts or Maine

to Maugerville, N.B. in the early 1760's.

 Help! Does anyone know where he originated, and who his parents were?
 I have lots of information on his descendants.

Allan and Caroline McGillivray Zephyr, Ont. Canada [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:14:23 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Westminster, MA

    When my husband and I traveled to Westminster in search of my Whitneys,

we came across a book entitled Homestead Heritage of Westminster compiled by the Westminster Historical Society in 1980. We bought a copy. In it we found homes that were lived in and/or built by 3 of my direct ancestors: Samuel Whitney's (William, Nathaniel, John, John) , his son Phinehas' , and John Rand's (Thomas, Zechariah, Robert, Robert). Their homes are still being lived in today. There are maps showing the location of the homes, a brief history of the family and home, photographs of all the homes, and who lived in the home in 1980.

   I'm mentioning this to the group, because I am willing to look up

Whitneys and others in the book. Contact me directly. Hopefully, I'll be able to get the info to you either via e-mail or snail mail.

Sandy [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:07:58 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ebenezer Whitney

Dear Caroline (and Allan, who obviously knows how to spell the name!):

Welcome to the WRG (Whitney Research Group) - I assume you have signed on to the maillist on rootsweb.

I checked the latest Whitney database and the Whitney Vital Records extracts that I have on hand, and came up with five possibilities. These men are not shown in the sources I searched as having been married, and are born within the general time frame to be of interest.

1) Ebenezer Whitney, b. 30 Dec 1749, York, ME, s.o. Amos and Sarah Payne Whitney

2) Ebenezer Whitney, b. 30 Jul 1751, place?, s.o. Nathan and Elizabeth Melcher W.

3) Ebenezer Whitney, b. 25 Mar 1750, Pomfret, CT, s.o. Zachariah and Ruth Taylor W.

4) Ebenezer Whitney, b. 19 Mar 1738/9, Waltham, MA, s.o. Elnathan and Sarah Perry Whitney

5) Ebenezer Whitney, bap. 24 Dec 1737, Sutton, MA, s.o. Ebenezer and ?

Interestingly, I did find the family you mentioned as a possibility, Samuel and Lydia Spooner Whitney, of York, ME, but the only child given for them in the database is Samuel Jr, born in 1731. Clearly they could be parents of an Ebenezer born ca 10 years later. Unfortunately, ME was far behind MA in publishing its Vital Records, and we have far fewer members of the group up there, so we're just getting started with these Vital Records.

Have you checked Robert Ward's Web Site? He has a number of the Whitney Vital Records extracted from various Maine towns on his site. I haven't looked lately to see what he has added, so don't know if York is there. The URL is:

http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/

I hope this helps a little and that you can enrich us later on with another line of descent stemming from this most interesting family of ours.

Happy Hunting:-)

Allan E. Green <[email protected]>

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:08:01 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Updates for Connecticut Whitneys To: ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Hello all! Additions to our Connecticut Whitney database thus far are:

Members of our group who are connected:

Deborah (Hill) Knigga <[email protected]>

Henry-1 WHITNEY of LI and CT, m. ? John-2 WHITNEY m. Elizabeth Smith Henry-3 WHITNEY m. Elizabeth Olmstead Daniel-4 WHITNEY m. Thankful Burt Daniel-5 WHITNEY m. Martha Burt Moses-6 WHITNEY m. Phoebe Schoonover Mary-7 WHITNEY m. William Hudson Phoebe Louisa-8 HUDSON m. Henry Teeters Mary Margaret-9 TEETERS m. John Peter Molter, Jr. John Elmer-10 MOLTER m. Wilhemina Minnie Eli Minnenan Janet-11 MOLTER m. Harris Hill Deborah Eileen-12 HILL m. Larry William Knigga

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New Line of Descent: Elizabeth-3 Whitney (John-2, Henry-1) m. Joseph Keeler Very large line added here from Bob Cameron who sent me his Gedcom file. His Gedcom file contained valuable source information from Henry-1 on down.

All of his sources are now a part of our database.

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Eleanor-3 Whitney (John-2, Henry-1) m. Jonathan Fairchild Fairchild family added.

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MORE POSSIBLE SOURCES: "History of Ridgefield, Ct", G. L. Rockwell 1927, p510

"The St. John Genealogy" Orline St.John Alexander, Grafton Press, New York, 1908, p21

My working gedcom called CTWHIT2.ZIP is available on my website (see below). It will be updated as more members send me their lines. I will keep you posted!

-) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse

Sent on: 8/19/97

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Always looking for information on the surnames: WHITNEY, GOLDSMITH, MUSE, REED

See my Roots Home Page at this URL: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jwmuse/roots.htm

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:47:02 -0700 From: Lisa Kay Willard <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Whitney/Revere

Has anyone run into the surname REVERE, while researching the Whitney line? Specifically, I am looking for Adaline Revere, who married Jason Whitney around 1827-1828(?),in Virginia or maybe Alabama(?). Adaline's father's name was John W. Revere. Found Adeline's name spelled "Adelia" and "Adeline".

Also, looking for the father of Jason Whitney. Jason may have been born in Penn..

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

                       ---Lisa Willard

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:39:52 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]>

Subject: Rev. Peter Whitney To: ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Thanks, Judy, for passing along your line again. We have you connected to the "John and Elinor" line through Rev. Peter Whitney of Northboro, Mass.

The "Whitneys of Connecticut" refer to descendants of Henry Whitney (b. about 1620 possibly England) who settled in Long Island and Connecticut. Thusfar, we have not connected the two Whitney immigrants together.

-) Jeanne

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To: [email protected] From: "Evan T. Whitney" <[email protected]> Subject: Looking for family Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:46:29 -0400

I'm a new member to this newsgroup, and essentially I'm trying to make contact with someone who either is a relative (albeit distant), or might have some common family information.

I don't have the specifics with me but here's a start that might help.

My name is Evan T. Whitney and I am the only son of one Robert W. Whitney, originally of Malone, NY. I believe my fater was born in 1927. His father, also of Malone, NY was Walter Whitney, married to a woman by the name of Matty Irish.

Going further back there is a Charles Whitney who apparently died in World War I, a distant uncle perhaps...

But the most well know ancestor if mine is Cyrus P. Whitney, who was the original surveyor of the Adirondack State Park and lived in the mid 1800's.

When I have more detailed information I'll be happy to provide it, but just essentially saying hello and introducing myself.

-Evan T. Whitney

Born: Saranac Lake, NY
Currently Resides: Cambridge, MA

Evan T. Whitney Harvard Office of News & Public Affairs [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:22:43 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Witney12.ged

Hello All;

I have stopped all entries to Witney12 and ready to distribute it via E-Mail, I have listed below the Email addresses of the people who requested a copy, please let me know if you want a copy and your name doesn't appear on the list:

[email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected](Melinda Ragland)

[email protected] (Jeanne Muse) [email protected] (Paul W. Truax/VT)

[email protected] (Paul and Brenda Nichols) [email protected] (Patricia A. Whitney-Jones)

[email protected] (Alice Harris) [email protected] (Barry GeneDoctor Whitney) [email protected] (Christopher Brooks) [email protected] (Peg Sanborn) [email protected] (Richard M. Noe) [email protected] (Gene Graham) [email protected] (Roger, Carolyn or Randy Winch) [email protected] (Jan Whitaker) [email protected] (John L. Whitney) [email protected] (Gordon & Jane) [email protected] (Loren J. McCullough) [email protected] (Richard G. Smith) [email protected] (Robert L. Ward) [email protected] (Kevin Spaulding) [email protected] (ralph whitney)

Thank you for your patience

Keep in touch

Jon Aston

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:11:24 -0700 From: RALPH WHITNEY <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: I'm Back

I am up and running in Austin Tx!!!!!!!

email me at [email protected]

not back on the roots web yet but will be this week end

Best reagrds from Austin, Tx Ralph

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From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:26:17 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: The State of our English Whitney Research

Greetings to the WRG:

Jon Aston forward to me an inquiry about where we stand in the search for an ancestral line connection for Thomas Whitney of Westminster, John-1 Whitney's father. In preparing a response to that lady's inquiry, I decided that I had better send it to the list as a whole, on the thought that there are probably others who have joined us recently who might benefit from the same information. To the lady who sent the query to Jon, I'm sorry, I didn't copy your name down before I deleted the message that he forwarded to me - my memory says Rosemary, but I may be in error. He sent it to me because I seem to be the one most involved with trying to do exactly what you are asking about. The problem is primarily that virtually all of the researchers that want to work on the matter are here and all the records that are needed to try and find the answers are there. And, they are not on-line. Another difficulty is that we are getting right into the time period in which the parish registers were just getting started. The keeping of Parish Registers, which were to list christenings, marriages and deaths/funerals, first began in 1538 at the order of Thomas Cromwell, a minister to the Crown, if my memory serves me well. Supposedly 1500 parishes did begin at that time to keep these records, but it was by no means uniformly done, and there may now be only half of that number whose records from the first 30 to 50 years of the process are available. My Phillmore Parish Register Atlas and Index would show how many IF I wanted to go through all the counties of England and Wales and count them. Since we are dealing with a man born ca 1560/62, it clearly is going to be difficult to trace the line back much further using that record source.

Thomas Whitney, "gentleman", who married Mary Bray at St. Margaret Westminster on 12 May 1583 (the father of John Whitney of Watertown), is given in the license to marry as "of Lambeth Marsh" - which is the area just south across the river Thames from Westminster Abbey, upon whose grounds the parish church of St. Margaret Westminster is located. In 1560 the only parish in Lambeth was St. Mary, whose parish register begins in 1539! The problem with that is that this is one of the registers that has never been transcribed, and the original register is deposited in the Greater London Record Office. Supposedly it has been inspected by Paul Reed, the man who wrote the recent article in The American Genealogist about the Thomas Whitney - Robert Whitney connection not being tenable. He does not mention having searched this record in the article, which I have just re-read. One of our members who lives in Salt Lake City has spoken with Mr. Reed and believes he remembers that Mr. Reed said he had looked in that register with no result.

I am extremely chagrined that I learned of the Reed article and its "disconnection" of Thomas Whitney from his previously reported father, Robert, after I had returned from England in July of 1996 instead of before.

I had thought I might go to the Greater London Record Office one of the days

I was in London working on research, to see if I could find details of Thomas' birth in that source (the Lambuth St. Mary parish register). Unfortunately, the Office is located in a place that is not very easy to get to by tube and so I passed this side trip up in favor of spending the same hours in the Library at the Society of Genealogists searching for a record of the marriage of John and Elinor (again, with no luck). I can't rule out the possibility that there might be information in that source until I have such a result directly from a person who has "been there, done that". At the present we only have two WRG members in England (that I know of) , neither of whom is in a position to make such a search/trip easily, due to their location and their work load.

Mr. Reed has suggested a few possibilities for searching for the records of Thomas' birth, but again, the records are there and we are here. I don't know when I will get back to England next, but it will not be for at least three years, during which time I will be retiring and changing location.

When I settle in over in either northeastern VA or the Eastern Shore of MD

and am only a couple of hours drive away from the Library of Congress in Washington, DC, I will have the time and access to at least some data sources that can be explored further, to try and find an alternate location and set of parents for Thomas.

There is probably more that I could say on this matter, but I hope that this is sufficient to let you have a sense of where we stand on this matter. I have good hope that we will eventually solve the problem, but probably in years rather than in months.

Until that great day, Happy Hunting:-)

Allan E. Green <[email protected]>

"Despite the high cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular?"

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From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:49:29 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Whitney for the Mac

Dear WRG:

I passed along a question about a problem one of our new members was having with using her Mac to access Robert Ward's website. Since that time a number of people have sent me messages with suggestions of how to use Macs for various genealogical purposes and correct problems with using the WWW and other "connectability" concerns.

I don't use a Mac. In all of these cases, I appreciate the willing helpfulness of our members, but would like to suggest that each and every one of you who use a Mac send a brief, one-time message to the list, announcing that fact. Then you all can collect the list of addresses of all WRG Mac-users and pass hints back and forth among yourselves instead of sending them through me for retransmission. My problem is that with aging, my little grey cells (with apologies to Hercule Poirot) are deteriorating and I can't always remember who needed what kind of information or help. I'll contribute to the process by making a WhitneyMacUsers file of my own to send to anyone new who sends a message to the list with a Mac question.

I hope this idea meets with everyone's approval. It will mean a one-shot thread about Mac use and then most of it will disappear - and I will be able to quit feeling dumb.

Happy Hunting:-)

Allan

A woman explained to a psychiatrist that her husband thought he was the Lone

Ranger. The psychiatrist asked, "How long has this been going on?"  "About

twenty years." she replied. "Bring him in. I'll cure him." The woman nodded and said, "I guess it's the right thing to do. But Tonto is so good with the children!"

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From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:12:04 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: Ensign James Whitney's wife

Dear Sue:

The best information I can come up with about Ensign James and Ellenor Whitney comes from Robert Ward's website in his 5 generations of the descendants of John and Elinor Whitney. It seems clear that James died rather suddenly, and intestate, as no will is mentioned, just his death in 1755 followed by an inventory taken 22 Jun 1757. The next significant factor is the appointment of Thomas Harwood on 4 Jul 1757 as guardian of John, Jonathan, Elizabeth, Benjamin and Lucy, all minors under 14.

>From this I would infer that Ellenor was still alive when James died in 1755 - and was "informally" permitted to continue to use his property for the benefit of the children, with 15-year-old Ellener and 13-year-old James, the two eldest children, to assist her. I would also infer that she then died sometime in the late spring of 1757, at which time it became necessary to make some legal disposition of the property and the care of the minor children (James having passed the age of 14 by that time). The estate was pretty much settled in 1764, at which point James, the eldest son (born 1742) would have been over 21 and thus eligible to accept responsibility, with his obligation to make proportional payments to his siblings being discharged in 1774 in such a manner as to inform about the marriages of his sisters and the locations of most of them.

As always, I would be pleased to be corrected or supplemented by anything that Robert would contribute to the above analysis, he having provided the facts upon which it is based.

Sincerely,

Allan E. Green <[email protected]>

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 15:20:34 -0500 To: [email protected] From: Ronald Whitney <[email protected]> Subject: George Whitney

Dear WRG,

We got a telephone inquiry from a lady who is not on-line. I told her I would see if anyone in the group had information that might help her. Her information is minimal.

She is looking for information on a George Whitney b. Abt. 1796, d. Abt. 1888, m. Sarah Woods with same approx. b & d dates. They were from New York State. Her father was a Union general.

Their children were:

 Al, Minnie, Sybll, Reance, Tillard, twin boys Hiriam and Miriam, & Reuben

Henry b. Abt. 1852 d. 1936.

Checked Pierce and also the database with no luck (unless I missed something), so I hope one of you can help. Jean, I know you are looking for some Wood(s). Any generals?

Let us know any positive results.

Thanks,

Ron and Roxie Whitney <[email protected]> Home page:<http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/2212/>

"Remember to live every day of your life."

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From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:20:05 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Whitney/Revere

Dear Lisa Kay:

Sorry to say we don't have any Reveres in the Whitney Database. I found a couple of Jasons, but no one that seems to fit the ca 1805 birth date assumed for your man. There is a small sub-group of people in the Whitney group who are working on the Whitney family in the south. I hope you may hear from one or more of them. Glad to have you with us and hope we can ultimately help you find what you need.

Allan E. Green

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 00:17:44 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Note from Machias Union, 1881

Dear WRG:

Here's another Whitney who turned up in the above newspaper. Don't know yet whose family she fits into, but we'll find out sometime.

                The Tenney Family

 George Tenney married ____________ Elwell; came from Marblehead, Mass

and settled on Pleasant river near the Joseph Nash farm below Columbia Falls, in about 1776.

 Their children were George, David, John, Elisha, Samuel, Silas,

Deborah, Joanna, Sarah, Bethia.

 George married Lydia Archer; children-- Margaret, Betsey, William,

Daniel, Bertania, Joseph F.

 David married Mercy Stevens; children-- David, Abagail, Edmund,

George, Lydia, John, Fannie.

|----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -| | John married Sally Whitney; children-- John, Polly. | [my box - AEG] |----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -|

 Elisha married Lydia Colson; children-- Alexander, Uriah, Otis,

Smiley, Joel.

 Samiel married Rhoda ________; children-- Levi, Mercey, Timothy, Ella,

Melissa.

 Silas married Sarah Drisko; one child Warren.
 Deborah married Elijah Kelly; children-- John, Elijah, George, Thomas,

Frederic, Samuel, Mary, Sarah, Bethia.

 Joanna married Nathaniel Cox; no children.
 Sarah married Edward Cox; children-- Nathaniel, John, Elsie, Phebe,

James, Hannah, Mary, Aaron.

 Bethia married _________ Stanhope.
 John, son of George the senior, was lost overboard from a vessel at

Marblehead.

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I also thought that in this era of political correctness, this article on female physicians might bring a chuckle to many of you.

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                      Lady Physicians

[Due to the poor quality of this paper, I will post an article that was on the front page of this issue]

    A St. Louis doctor factory recently turned out a dozen female doctors.

As long as the female doctors were confined to one or two in the whole country, and those only experimental, we held our peace, and did not complain; but now that the colleges are engaged in producing female doctors as a business, we must protest, and in so doing will give a few reasons why female doctors will not prove a paying branch of industry.

    In the first place, if they doctor anybody it must be women, and

three-fourths of the women would rather have a male doctor. Suppose those colleges turn out female doctors until there are as many of them as there are male doctors, what have they got to pratice on? A man, if there is nothing the matter with him, might call in a female doctor, but if he was sick as a horse, (if a man is sick, he is sick as a horse,) the last thing he would have around would be a female doctor. And why? Because, when a man has a female fumbling around him he wants to feel well. He don't want to be bilious or feverish, with his mouth tasting like cheese, and his eyes blood-shot, when the female is looking him over and taking account of stock.

    Of course these female doctors are all young and good-looking, and if

one of them came into a sick room where a man was in bed, and he had chills, and was cold as a wedge, and she should sit up close to the side of the bed and take hold of his hand, his pulse would run up to a hundred and fifty, and she would prescribe for a fever when he had chilblains. Oh, you can't fool us on female doctors. A man who has been sick, and had male doctors, knows just how he would feel to have a female doctor come tripping in and throw her furlined cloak over a chair, take off her hat and gloves and throw them on a lounge, and come up to the bed with a pair of marine blue eyes, with a twinkle in the corner, and look him in the wild, changeable eyes, and ask him to run out his tongue. Suppose he knew his tongue was coated so it looked like a yellow Turkish towel, do you suppose he would want to run out over five or six inches of the lower part of it and let that female doctor put her finger on it to see how fur it was? Not much. He would put that tongue up into his cheek, and wouldn't let her see it for twenty-five cents admission. We have all seen doctors put their hands under the bed-clothes and feel of a man's feet to see if they were cold. If a female doctor should do that it would give a man cramps in his legs. A male doctor can put his hand on a man's stomach, and liver and lungs, and ask him if he feels any pain there, but if a female doctor should do the same thing it would make a man sick, and he would want to get up and kick himself for employing a female doctor. Oh, there is no use in talking, surely it would kill a man.

    Now, suppose a man has heart disease, and a female doctor should

want to listen to the beating of his heart. She would lay her left ear on his left breast, so her eyes and rosebud mouth would be looking right in his face, and her wavy hair would be scattered all around there, getting tangled in the button of his night shirt. Don't you suppose his heart would get in about twenty extra beats to the minute? You bet! And she would smile - we will bet ten dollars she would smile - and show her pearly teeth, and the ripe lips would be working as though she were counting the beats, and he would think she was trying to whisper to him, and--. Well, what would he be doing all this time? If he was not dead yet, which would be a wonder, his left hand would brush the hair away from her temple and kind of stay there to keep the hair away, and his right hand would get sort of nervous and move around to the back of her head, and when she had counted the beats a few minutes and was raising her head he would draw the head up to him and kiss her once for luck, if he was as billious as a Jersey swamp angel - and have her charge it in the bill. And then a reaction would set in, and he would be as sick as a cat, and she would have to fan him and rub his head till he got over being nervous, and then make out his prescription after he got asleep. No; all of man's symptoms change when a female doctor is practicing on him, and she would kill him dead.

Peck's Sun.

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 08:15:58 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney Vital Records Extraction Program

Dear WRG:

Peg Sanborn and a cast of thousands (:-]) have put in yeoman service extracting and compiling the Whitney entries from most of the published vital records from Massachusetts. They are due sincere thanks from all of us. She is continuing with occasional towns in Maine.

There are several published vital record books for Massachusetts from which we have not abstracted the Whitney entries yet. Anyone with access to any of the following are urged to help out, so that we can make more complete our collec- tion at the URL <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/>: Freetown, Halifax, Hingham, Northborough, Rehoboth, Seekonk, Swansea, and Whately. In addition, recall that we only have partial copies (entries before 1800) for: Milton, Stoughton/Canton, Watertown, and Worcester.

In addition, I see that the Barbour Collection of vital records of Connecticut are now being issued in book form, alphabetically by town. We should do a similar extraction for Connecticut from these books. Does anyone have access to any of those?

Regards,

Robert

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 08:16:09 To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Ensign James Whitney's wife

At 11:12 AM 8/23/97 -0400, Allan E. Green <[email protected]> wrote: >Dear Sue: > >The best information I can come up with about Ensign James and Ellenor >Whitney comes from Robert Ward's website in his 5 generations of the >descendants of John and Elinor Whitney. It seems clear that James died >rather suddenly, and intestate, as no will is mentioned, just his death in >1755 followed by an inventory taken 22 Jun 1757. The next significant factor >is the appointment of Thomas Harwood on 4 Jul 1757 as guardian of John, >Jonathan, Elizabeth, Benjamin and Lucy, all minors under 14.

It should be noted that Thomas HARWOOD was the uncle of these children, having married James WHITNEY's sister Abigail on 4 Jan 1729, in Chelmsford, MA. I have found no original record of the death of James WHITNEY, although Frederick Clifton Pierce, _Whitney. The Descendants of John Whitney, Who Came from London, England, to Watertown, Massachusetts, in 1635_, (Chicago: 1895), says he died in 1755. He fathered a daughter Lucy, b. 5 Jan 1755, so he must have died after Apr 1754, and before his inventory 22 Jun 1757. Typically, an inventory was taken soon after death, so I would guess that James actually died in the spring of 1757.

The absence of mention of Eleanor after the birth of Lucy in 1755, and the fact that she neither was appointed administratrix (James's brother Joseph was), nor declined to serve in that capacity, nor was appointed guardian of any of the children, leads me to think that she may have predeceased James. Possibly she died in childbirth.

>>From this I would infer that Ellenor was still alive when James died in 1755 >- and was "informally" permitted to continue to use his property for the >benefit of the children, with 15-year-old Ellener and 13-year-old James, the >two eldest children, to assist her. I would also infer that she then died >sometime in the late spring of 1757, at which time it became necessary to >make some legal disposition of the property and the care of the minor >children (James having passed the age of 14 by that time). The estate was >pretty much settled in 1764, at which point James, the eldest son (born 1742) >would have been over 21 and thus eligible to accept responsibility, with his >obligation to make proportional payments to his siblings being discharged in >1774 in such a manner as to inform about the marriages of his sisters and the >locations of most of them.

The timing of the division of the estate is likely due to the fact that in 1774, the sons were all adults, and the daughters had all married. At that time it was appropriate to distribute their portions to each of them.

>As always, I would be pleased to be corrected or supplemented by anything >that Robert would contribute to the above analysis, he having provided the >facts upon which it is based.

The source for this information is Middlesex County [Massachusetts] Probate Records, Files #24670 and #24672.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Robert

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 10:40:51 -0700 From: Stan or Mary Ann Lindsay <[email protected]>

To: Ronald Whitney <[email protected]> CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: George Whitney

Well, Ron, as usual I spoke too soon. My info from the Methodist Church files does not seem to be same George as lady on phone mentioned. George Henry Whitney b Jul 30, 1830 Georgetown, DC, d June 6, 1913 Plainfield, NJ 1st wife Caroline Shepard-1 son 2nd wife Henrietta French- 4 children

And what I have from "History of Ontario County NY" by Miliken Vol 1 George L Whitney ( a few words, not many dates mentioned) Also in Vol 1 these with surname Whitney are mentioned: Jonathan, CP , Joshua W, Jonas, Isaac, Peter, Samuel, Nathen, son Nathen and sons, Ami, Thomas D, Columbus, Byron, Miss Clara, Miss Julia. Vol 2 has a scetch of Cyrus P Whitney and family.

Well, maybe this is old stuff to some of the group but thought I would toss it out there for anyone who wants it. Have a good day!

MAL (in SUNNY Santa Rosa, CA)

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From: [email protected] (MRS SANDY M SELIG) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:39:52, -0500 To: [email protected] Subject: Anna Cody

For Anna Cody b 12 May 1765 in Hopkinton, MA: I show that her mother is Mary Parmenter not Mary Whitney. (Father: Joseph Cody).

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:48:18 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Update - Henry of Connecticut To: ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Hello everyone:

Another one of our members is a direct descendant of Henry of Connecticut. This line is already part of the original database. Robert Ward - you may add this to our "Whitney Lineages" page:

Dave Barrett <[email protected]>

Henry-1 WHITNEY of L.I. and CT m. ? John-2 WHITNEY m. Elizabeth SMITH Joseph-3 WHITNEY m. Hannah HOYT David-4 WHITNEY m. Elizabeth HYATT Ebenezer-5 WHITNEY m. Ruth RAYMOND Aaron-6 WHITNEY m. Sarah BENNET Bennet-7 WHITNEY m. Susan CURTIS Henry-8 WHITNEY m. Bertha STODDARD Edith-9 WHITNEY m. Jay WHITSON Bertha-10 WHITSON m. Hugh Elliott BARRETT Hugh David-11 BARRETT m. Mary Connemara MORAN

Anyone else connected to Henry Whitney of Long Island and Connecticut get in touch!

-) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse

Sent on 8/24/97

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:48:25 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: George Whitney To: BlindCopyReceiver:;

>>Jean, I know you are looking for some Wood(s). Any generals?<<

Looked for George Whitney and family in all of my databases...nothing. No Wood(s) families where she would fit in.

-) Jeanne

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:52:37 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Anna Cody To: BlindCopyReceiver:;

>>For Anna Cody b 12 May 1765 in Hopkinton, MA: I show that her mother is Mary Parmenter not Mary Whitney. (Father: Joseph Cody).<<

Which Whitney family does Anna Cody fit into?

-) Jeanne

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:06:58 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: For all you VT Whitneys

Dear WRG:

Some time ago I was sent some printouts of the Vermont Census index data on the Whitney's. I've come upon it again recently, and thought I would take the time to put it in electronic form so that everyone in the WRG could have it. I'll be sharing it with you over the next few days.

                 WHITNEYS IN THE 1810 VERMONT CENSUS
                          SOUNDEX CODE W350

Given Name Township Page #

ADDISON COUNTY Daniel Leicester 010 David Addison 018 Joshua Addison 018

BENNINGTON COUNTY Asa Reedsborough 112 Asaph Rupert 114 David Stamford 135 Eunice Peru 103 John Jun Reedsborough 110 Joseph G Peru 104

CALEDONIA COUNTY Jesse St. Johnsbury 162 Nathan Calais 149 Solomon Danville 152 Thomas Kirby 154

CHITTENEDEN COUNTY Chester Waterbury 173 Luther Burlington 205 Otis Waterbury 173 Samuel Colchester 197

FRANKLIN COUNTY Henry Fairfield 303 Ira Fairfield 309 Joseph Cambridge 313 Joseph Fairfield 311 Joseph Georgia 295 Joseph Highgate 259 Peter Georgia 294 Sherwood Fairfield 299

GRAND ISLE COUNTY Israel North Hero 342

ORANGE COUNTY Abel Tunbridge 359 Abel Williamstown 400 Benjamin Tunbridge 359 David Tunbridge 358 Elijah Williamstown 398 Jonathan Tunbridge 358 William H. Topsham 426

ORLEANS COUNTY Eliphalet Norristown 460 Hezekiah Norristown 460 Jesse Wolcott 462 Josiah Wolcott 462 Millen Barton 446 Thomas Holland 456 William Wolcott 462

RUTLAND COUNTY Adolphus Sherburne 060 Benjamin Clarendon 088 Elisha Clarendon 085 Phinehas Pittsford 147 Silas Clarendon 088 Solomon Poultney 098

WINDHAM COUNTY Abel Guilford 281 Abner Springfield 438 Abner Springfield 438 Abraham Brooklyn 247 Asa Halifax 289 Benjamin Dummerston 251 Benjamin Westminster 395 Cyrus Springfield 438 Eleasar Halifax 289 Eliphalet Putney 322 Guilford Marlborough 306 Hesekiah Whitingham 401 Isaac Springfield 438 Israel Brooklyn 247 John Dummerston 255 Jonas Marlborough 310 Joshua Chester 455 Lemuel Brattleboro 242 Lemuel Grafton 259 Lemuel Springfield 437 Moses Athens 233 Moses Marlborough 305 Nathaniel Marlborough 309 Nathaniel Jr. Marlborough 309 Richard Chester 465 Samuel Jamaica 296 Samuel Marlborough 306 Samuel W. Brattleboro 242 Solomon Marlborough 307 Tudor Springfield 438

WINDSOR COUNTY Abram Hartland 613 Daniel Cavendish 670 James Ludlow 677 Jonathan Hartford 497 Jonathan Hartland 613 Joshua Bridgewater 491 Levi Woodstock 586 Oliver Cavendish 670 Orland Ludlow 677 Patty Bridgewater 491 Peter Hartford 499 William Bridgewater 491 William Sharon 563

End 1810 Vermont Census Index of Whitneys

My thanks to Robert Ward for his further information and analysis on the matter of Ensign James Whitney's wife Ellener and the respective dates of their deaths. He is quite right that the date of the inventory does suggest that he died in the spring of 1757, and thus that it was quite possible that Ellener predeceased him.

Happy Hunting;-)

Allan

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:09:28 -0700 From: Stan or Mary Ann Lindsay <[email protected]>

To: [email protected] Subject: [Fwd: Update - Henry of Connecticut]

Jeanne Muse wrote: > > Hello everyone: > > Another one of our members is a direct descendant of Henry of Connecticut. > This line is already part of the original database. Robert Ward - you may > add this to our "Whitney Lineages" page: > > Dave Barrett <[email protected]> > > Henry-1 WHITNEY of L.I. and CT m. ? > John-2 WHITNEY m. Elizabeth SMITH > Joseph-3 WHITNEY m. Hannah HOYT > David-4 WHITNEY m. Elizabeth HYATT > Ebenezer-5 WHITNEY m. Ruth RAYMOND > Aaron-6 WHITNEY m. Sarah BENNET > Bennet-7 WHITNEY m. Susan CURTIS > Henry-8 WHITNEY m. Bertha STODDARD > Edith-9 WHITNEY m. Jay WHITSON > Bertha-10 WHITSON m. Hugh Elliott BARRETT > Hugh David-11 BARRETT m. Mary Connemara MORAN > > Anyone else connected to Henry Whitney of Long Island and Connecticut get > in touch! > > ;-) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse > Sent on 8/24/97

Atta boy, cousin Dave, good to hear from you. And thanks for the new address. Did you ever receive the special pages of Phoenix that pertain to your line from Joan Hicks? If you can get the book, there are write ups on all your line. I am sending this to the list to thank all those who are working with this special "outlaw" line of ours, I know it is time-comsuming and we appreciate it. Cousin, MAL

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 07:55:24 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" <[email protected]> Subject: Bibliography of Whitney Family Sources

Dear WRG,

I have just posted to my website a bibliography of about 300 sources which contain genealogical information about the Whitney family. Almost all pertain to New England, and the majority to the family of John and Elinor (-----) WHITNEY of Watertown, MA. See the URL <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/bibliography.html> for details.

Anyone who knows of a source not included which contains such data, Please send a bibliographical citation to it, and I will add it to the page. Anyone who can amplify any of the citations to make it more accurate, please send that to me, too.

I also have a Whitney Queries page, which contains some unconnected WHITNEY folks which I would like to connect. Anyone wishing to post a query there, please e-mail me with the details.

I have discovered that there is a place called Whitney, Dawes Co., Nebraska. Has anyone any idea how it got its name?

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward [email protected] http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:29:04 -0500 To: [email protected] From: Ronald Whitney <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney, Nebraska

Greeting WRG,

Robert, This was one of the first things I posted when I joined the group. I'll try to do a better job this time.

We noticed Whitney, NE on the map when we were traveling one year, so we drove through to check it out. It is a very small town in NW Nebraska. We noted a post office, church, and a few houses. It was Sunday, so didn't notice if the town had any stores, but the population at the church far exceeded the possible population of the town, so they must draw from the surrounding ranches. We also drove a couple of miles to Lake Whitney nearby. Nice little lake with a well-maintained park and launch area.

When we returned home I sent an SASE to the Postmaster asking about the origin of the name. Got a nice letter from Mabel L. Kendrick, Box 56, Whitney, NE 69367. She said, "The original town, 1883 or 1885<looked like she wrote a 5 over the last digit> was named Dawes City. It was on the south bank of White River. This town was abandoned and a new one started on the north bank (higher ground) 1887. This was named Earth Lodge. However, this name was changed to Whitney - Peter Whitney was an officer in the Pioneer Town Site Company. The town moved <I'm not sure if this means the move cited above, or another move to the present location> when the railroad came. Fremont Elkhorn Missouri Valley."

So now, does anyone know the origin of the town and lake named Whitney in Texas? Appear to be in Hill County between Dallas and Waco.

Jeanne, thanks for the reply on George Whitney. Sorry I spelt your name wrong, must have had a brain cramp.

Ron and Roxie Whitney <[email protected]> Home page:<http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/2212/>

"Remember to live every day of your life."

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:15:15 GMT To: [email protected] CC: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: re. famous Whitneys ...

Robert,

Herewith the note I said I would send about Asa Whitney of New York, railroad pioneer.

He was the author of a book "A Project for a Railroad to the Pacific", printed by George Wood of N.Y. in 1849. In a preface "to the people of the United States", Asa Whitney explains that he is about to describe the results of 7 years of research into the building of a railroad across the Continent. He states that "it is not at all probable that Congress would ever appropriate the money for such a work, and there will be many objections to the carrying out of such works by the General or State governments"!

He estimates the building cost at $60,600,000. Further, he proposes to ask Congress to sell him a SIXTY MILE WIDE strip of land for 2,030 miles across "mostly wilderness" from lake Michigan to the Pacific Ocean, amounting to 77,952,000 acres at 10 cents per acre, "far exceeding the amount the governemnt might expect for the same lands from any other source or plan ...", at a cost of a further $7.7 million. He proposes to pay for the enterprise by raising an average of 88 cents per acre which "can be done by connecting the sale and settlement of the lands with the work itself". Then follow some detailed calculations to show that if he can build the first 10 miles of road, and then sell the first 5 x 60 mile strip, the whole project will become self-sustaining!

I have no idea whether Asa Whitney wrote another book after the project was completed, but I guess that many books on the subject exist and must provide fascinating reading. I wonder if there is a biography of him?

John

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:15:15 GMT To: [email protected] CC: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: re. famous Whitneys ...

Robert,

Herewith the note I said I would send about Asa Whitney of New York, railroad pioneer.

He was the author of a book "A Project for a Railroad to the Pacific", printed by George Wood of N.Y. in 1849. In a preface "to the people of the United States", Asa Whitney explains that he is about to describe the results of 7 years of research into the building of a railroad across the Continent. He states that "it is not at all probable that Congress would ever appropriate the money for such a work, and there will be many objections to the carrying out of such works by the General or State governments"!

He estimates the building cost at $60,600,000. Further, he proposes to ask Congress to sell him a SIXTY MILE WIDE strip of land for 2,030 miles across "mostly wilderness" from lake Michigan to the Pacific Ocean, amounting to 77,952,000 acres at 10 cents per acre, "far exceeding the amount the governemnt might expect for the same lands from any other source or plan ...", at a cost of a further $7.7 million. He proposes to pay for the enterprise by raising an average of 88 cents per acre which "can be done by connecting the sale and settlement of the lands with the work itself". Then follow some detailed calculations to show that if he can build the first 10 miles of road, and then sell the first 5 x 60 mile strip, the whole project will become self-sustaining!

I have no idea whether Asa Whitney wrote another book after the project was completed, but I guess that many books on the subject exist and must provide fascinating reading. I wonder if there is a biography of him?

John

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:10:41 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Henry of ConnecticutzMay be a connection??

Dave: Whitney of Connecticut. In a message dated 8/24/97 9:27:30 PM, you wrote: <<Aaron-6 WHITNEY m. Sarah BENNET>>

I have been searching for a long time for a Bennet who married a Whitney-the parents of my Daniel R. Whitney. From family folk lore I thought he was a descendent of John & Elinor-Family Folk lore is many times wrong.

Do you have any more information on the couple? place of birth-date etc. and other children. This may be the lead I need. There are not many Whitney/ Bennet marriages to check out almost nil. Barbara Black in Sacramento

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:30:53 -0700 From: Stan or Mary Ann Lindsay <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [Fwd: Re: Henry of ConnecticutzMay be a connection??]

[email protected] wrote: > > Dave: Whitney of Connecticut. > In a message dated 8/24/97 9:27:30 PM, you wrote: > <<Aaron-6 WHITNEY m. Sarah BENNET>> > > I have been searching for a long time for a Bennet who married a Whitney-the > parents of my Daniel R. Whitney. From family folk lore I thought he was a > descendent of John & Elinor-Family Folk lore is many times wrong. > > Do you have any more information on the couple? place of birth-date etc. > and other children. This may be the lead I need. There are not many > Whitney/ Bennet marriages to check out almost nil. > Barbara Black in Sacramento

Hi Barbara, Hi Dave. I have that information in my file, just in case Dave does not have it. I see no Daniel in the list of children. Aaron was b 1781, Sarah b 1780 and the 8 children b 1805-1825. Let me know if you still want names, dates etc. What was the date of your Daniel? Could be born after the book was written? Cousin MAL

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:38:53 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Misc. John Whitneys To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Any of the following persons named JOHN WHITNEY could lead me to a connection to John and Elinor Whitney (the immigrants from England). Do any of you have further family information on the following men?

JOHN WHITNEY b. 13 Oct 1769 Westminster, Mass., son of Nathan Whitney & Tabitha Merriam

JOHN WHITNEY b. 28 July 1772 Westminster, Mass., son of Abner Whitney and Elizabeth Glazier

JOHN WHITNEY b. 16 Mar 1767 (place unknown), son of Samuel Whitney and Hannah Judson

Thanks for any assistance!

-) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse

Sent on: 8/25/97

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:39:00 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Henry of Connecticut-May be a connection?? To: ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

In answer to Barbara Black's question regarding BENNET marriages to WHITNEYs, here is what I have in our Henry Whitney of Connecticut database (from Dave Barrett's line):

AARON WILKES WHITNEY b. 17 Oct 1781, Norwalk, CT; d. 3 Nov 1833 Bridgeport, CT; m. on 5 Jul 1804 in Wilton, CT SARAH BENNET(T), dau. of David BENNET and Esther OLMSTEAD, b. 16 Jun 1780, Wilton, CT; d. 2 Mar 1866 Bridgeport, CT.

Children of Aaron Wilkes and Sarah (Bennet) Whitney: 1) Raymond Whitney b. 16 May 1805 2) Roswell Whitney b. 24 Aug 1807 3) Bennet Whitney b. 23 Mar 1810 Wilton, CT; d. 26 Aug 1896 Newark, NJ; m. on 14 Oct 1836 in Suffield, CT to Susan CURTIS 4) Caroline Whitney b. 20 Jan 1812 5) Zenas Whitney b. 27 Jul 1814 6) Sarah Esther Whitney b. 5 Dec 1817 7) Emily Ann Whitney b. 22 May 1821 8) Mary Elizabeth Whitney b. 18 Aug 1825

No other information is on file.

Dave Barrett - anything further as a possible lead for Barbara?

-) Jeanne

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:10:10 To: Donna & Ralph Gosselin <[email protected]>, [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Bibliography of Whitney Family Sources

At 12:59 PM 8/25/97 -0500, Ralph Gosselin wrote: >Robert L. Ward wrote: >> John and Elinor (-----) WHITNEY of Watertown, MA. See the URL >> <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/bibliography.html> for details. > >Robert when I try this url I get 'File not found" Ralph Gosselin

Of course! I goofed. The correct URL is: <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/bibliography.html>

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward [email protected] http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:44:42 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: James&Philo Whitney of Newtown, CT

This is copied from "Newtown's History" by Eliza Jane Johnson, 1917, p. 149:

Whitney 1. James Whitney came to Newtown in 1771. He m. Eunice Johnson. Of their twelve children only Philo lived in Newtown. He was a blacksmith, his shop being at the head of Newtown street at the foot of Mt. Pleasant. Ives Glover the well known blacksmith of South Center learned his trade of him.

2. Philo Whitney m. 1st Jerusha Wheeler

                                  2nd Aurelia Wheeler

Ch. of Philo Whitney and Jerusha Wheeler

3. Harriet Whitney m. Edmund Fairchild (see Fairchild) 3. Joseph Botsford Whitney 3. James Wheeler Whitney m. Anna Maria Lewis 3. Emily Whitney m. Legrand Fairchild 3. Aurelia Whitney m. Oliver Warner Moore (no children) 3. Ruth Ann Whitney m. 1st Truman Hubbell Bethel, CT

                                                   2nd Mark Leavenworth

Hubbell 3. Abraham Johnson Whitney m. Marietta Parmalee Bethel, CT It then also gives the children of James Wheeler, Ruth Ann, Abram Johnson, and where they resided.

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:47:26 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: More VT Census Index (part 2)

Dear WRG:

As promised, here is the 1800 and a few assorted earlier Census Indexes for our Whitney surname.

      INDEX FOR WHITNEYS IN THE 1800 AND OTHER VERMONT CENSUS
                          SOUNDEX CODE W350

Given Name Town Page Age data

ADDISON COUNTY (1791 - 1809) 1800 Daniel Salisbury 12001-00011-00 David Addison 01001-00001-00 Joshua Middlebury 00100-20100-00 Silas Salisbury 20010-11010-00

BENNINGTON COUNTY (1791 - 1809) 1800 Asaph Rupert 10010-10100-00 Caroline Rupert 00000-11010-00 Daniel Stamford 22111-02010-00 Ebenezer 022 01 02 01 00 00 [?] Isaac Stamford 00201-01101-00 Isaac Stamford 10200-01100-00 John Readsbro 10101-20110-00

CHITTENDEN COUNTY (1791 - 1809) 1800 Samuel Essex 11010-21010-00

FRANKLIN COUNTY (1791 - 1809) 1800 Sherwood Fairfld 10010-11010-00

ORANGE COUNTY (1791 - 1809) 1800 Abel Tunbrdge 20010-10010-00 Benjamin Tunbrdge 10010-41010-00 David Tunbrdge 30010-11010-00 Elijah Wmstown 11001-21201-00 Elijah Jun. Wmstown 10100-20010-00 Jonathan Tunbrdge 20010-00100-00 Peter Tunbrdge 00001-02001-00 Thomas Tunbrdge 00010-00100-00

ORLEANS COUNTY (1791 - 1809) 1800 Hezekiah Walcott 00311-01001-00 William Wolcott 10010-10100-00 Zadock Elmore 10010-10010-00

RUTLAND COUNTY (1791 - 1809) 1800 David Clarendn 33010-21010-00 Israel Sudbury 21010-20010-00 Nathaniel Rutland 00011-42010-00 Oliver Clarendn 12010-11100-00 Samuel Clarendn 10010-20010-00 Solomon Clarendn 00110-00200-00 Solomon Poultney 40010-21010-00

RUTLAND COUNTY (1791 - 1809) 1803 Danid Clarendon 175 Oliver Clarendon 175 Silas Clarendon 175

WINDHAM COUNTY (1791 - 1809) 1795 Nathaniel Marlborough 426 Samuel Marlborough 426

WINDHAM COUNTY (1791 - 1809) 1797 Richard Andover 053

WINDHAM COUNTY (1791 - 1809) 1800 _______ Putney 10100-10100-00 Abel Guilford

                         14001-01010-00

Asa Rckinghm 20010-10010-00 Benjamin Dummerstn 10001-01110-00 Benjamin Wtmnster 12101-10101-00 Ebenezer Brookline 00100-00100-00 Eleazer Halifax

                          22010-31010-00

Eliphalet Putney 01010-30201-00 Eliphaz Putney 01010-32010-00 Ephraim Bratlebro 00101-00001-00 Ezra Athens

                         00101-00001-00

Ezra Rchinghm 32011-01010-00 Guilford Marlboro

                       10010-30010-00

Israel Brookline

                      10010-10010-00

Job Guilford

                         20000-01201-00

John Wdsbr ND 32010-20110-00 Jonas Marlboro

                        30211-02303-00

Lemuel Bratlebro 21020-11001-00 Lemuel Grafton

                          30010-10010-00

Levi Wilmngtn

                       00100-00100-00

Luther Marlboro

                        10100-00010-00

Moses Marlboro 50010-00010-00 Nathaniel Marlboro 10201-13101-00 Richard Brookline

                        01201-12001-00

Samuel Jamaica 20010-20010-00 Samuel Marlboro 00101-01101-00 Samuel Jun. Marlboro 21010-20010-00 Samuel W. Bratlebro 01110-21010-00 Timothy H. Brookline 10100-00010-00

WINDSOR COUNTY (1791 - 1809) 1800 Widow Ludlow

                           00301-00001-00

Abner Sprngfild

                         11101-31101-00

Benjamin Sprngfild

                         10010-10010-00

Cyrus Sprngfild

                         10010-10010-00

Eliphalet Hartland

                          01010-12110-00

Elisha Plymouth

                        00010-21110-00

John Sprngfild

                         00100-10100-00

Jonathan Hartford

                          31010-11010-00

Joseph Windsor

                          10010-30010-00

Lemuel Sprngfild

                          02101-01101-00

Nathan Bethel

                             21110-11010-00

Nathan Hartford

                           00001-01001-00

Oliver Ludlow

                           11101-41201-00

Orlando Ludlow

                           20010-00100-00

Peter Hartford

                         00200-00100-00

Richard Andover

                          10010-10010-00

END VERMONT 1800 AND OTHER

Hope this helps someone.

Happy Hunting

Allan

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:01:39 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Ezra W. Framingham, MA&Woodstock, CT-49 desc.

"The History of Woodstock, Connecticut, Genealogies of Woodstock Families" By Clarence Winthrop Bowen, 1943, gives 49 of the descendants of:

Ezra Whitney, b. Framingham, MA 22 Feb, 1729/30, d. Woodstock, CT, Sept 24, 1804, son of James Whitney and his first wife Martha Rice. M. (1)Sherborn, MA, Feb 14, Mercy Morse, b. Sherborn, Mar. 2, 1735, d. Uxbridge, MA, Sep 23, 1794 in 59th year, daughter of Obadiah Morse and Mercy Walker; m. (2) Douglas, MA, Nov. 29, 1795, Ruth (Reed) Knapp of Douglas, b. Nov. 20, 1747, d. Douglas Oct 11, 1811, ae. 64, daughter of John Reed and Dorothy Pinneo, and widow of Capt. Job Knapp.

All the entries are similarly detailed, and I cringe at the thought of typing them. If anyone thinks it would help them, I could fax them to you. Yours, A. Whitney Brown. By the way, it's not the Ezra I was looking for, who married a Julia from New Hampshire, she born in 1808, ch. William, Leonard, Nancy, b. 1840, 1843, 1847, and maybe more earlier. She lived without him in Cascade, MI in 1850. I think he was Ezra, son of James of Newtown, maybe

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:22:43 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: 60 more Whitneys

I see I have collected a bunch of Whitneys, plus spouses, that link to Ezra, son of James and Martha Rice of Sherborne, and Philo, son of James and Eunice Johnson of Stratford. What is the best way to submit these to the database?

Can I fax them instead of typing them?  Just lazy, that's all.  A. Whitney

Brown

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:20:11 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: VT Whitney Census Index (Part 3)

Dear WRG:

Up early this morning - first day of classes - can't believe I'm getting excited about this at age 64 - Oh, well?

Here's the 1820 Index.

          VERMONT 1820 CENSUS INDEX WHITNEY ABSTRACTS

Given Name Town Page

ADDISON COUNTY Daniel Salisbury 021 David Addison 030 Harriett New Haven 062 John Middlebury 007 Joshua Addison 028 Jshua Jr. Addison 030 Oliver Hancock 098 Oliver Salisbury 021

BENNINGTON COUNTY Asa Readsboro 1/6 David Stamford 1/7 Hezekiah Stamford 1/7 John Readsboro 1/6 John Jr. Readsboro 1/6 Joseph Peru 150 Moses Rupert 147 Nathan Peru 150 Norman Peru 150

CALEDONIA COUNTY Boylston St Johnsbury 070 Calvin St Johnsbury 070 Elisha Walden 085 Jazaniah St Johnsbury 070 Mary Burlington 096 Olando St Johnsbury 070 Otis Williston 102 Solomon Danville 031

CHITTENDEN COUNTY Ira Colchester 125 Timothy Essex 134

FRANKLIN COUNTY Bartholomew Franklin 200 Joel Sheldon 193 Sherwood Fairfield 189

GRAND ISLE COUNTY Israel North Hero 158 Joseph Grand Isle 165 Samuel North Hero 158

ORANGE COUNTY Aaron Tunbridge 231 Abel Tunbridge 231 Abel Williastown 263 Charles Brookfield 304 David Tunbridge 231 David Jr. Tunbridge 231 Elijah Williastown 263 Elijah Jr. Williastown 263 Isaac W. Chelsea 243 John Chelsea 244 Jonathan Tunbridge 233 Joseph D. Brookfield 301 Nathan Thetford 253 Thomas Tunbridge 227

ORLEANS COUNTY Eliphlet Morristown 334 Fyler Wolcott 338 James Craftbury 316 Jesse Wolcott 338 Mary Greensborough 325 William Wolcott 338

RUTLAND COUNTY David Pittsfield 204 Elisha Poultney 250 Henry Pawlet 239 Solomon Poultney 247 Solomon Shrewsbury 225 Solomon Jr. Poultney 247

WASHINGTON COUNTY Chester Waterbury 019 Mellon Barre 035

WINDHAM COUNTY Abel Guilford 063 Alden Westminster 137 Alpheus Whitingham 099 Augustus Brookline 111 Ebenezer Brookline 112 Eleazer Halifax 071 Eliphalet Putney 133 Elizabeth Brattleboro 053 Henry Dummerston 050 Hezekiah Whitingham 100 Isaac Townsend 125 Israel Brookline 112 Jerusha Westminster 138 John Dummerston 052 Jonas Marlboro 078 Jonas Jr. Marlboro 078 Leland Westminster 137 Lemuel Brattleboro 056 Lemuel Grafton 115 Moses G. Whitingham 099 Nathan Marlboro 076 Philip Halifax 073 Rufus Athens 108 Samuel Jamaica 123 Simeon Marlboro 080 Solomon Marlboro 078 Solomon Townsend 125 Thadeus Guilford 061 Timothy H. Athens 109 Ward Halifax 075

WINDSOR COUNTY Abner Springfield 196 Abraham Hartford 166 Adolphus Woodstock 159 Charles Hartland 156 Cyrus Springfield 199 Daniel Plymouth 210 Ealevia Hartland 155 Elijah Weathersfield 193 Isaac Springfield 196 John Ludlow 212 Joseph Springfield 199 Joshua Bridgewater 163 Levi Woodstock 161 Lucy Hartford 166 Oliver Cavendish 205 Richard Weston 214 Sarah Bridgewater 163 Sarah Sharon 180 Thomas Bethel 184 William Sharon 178

END VERMONT 1820

Again, hope this helps someone. 1830 next, followed by 1850 (missing Windham Co)

Allan

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:34:28 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: More Descendants Found!! To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Hello to all! Got a hit on my web page from my message "get in touch if you are a descendant"! Corresponding with a fellow who lives not 30 minutes from me named Edward Stoner. Edward is transferring his data from his old Commodore 64 computer <g> to a PC. He sent me a print-out of his data, since he cannot yet make a Gedcom. I haven't figured out how he connects here, but I will.

• • Jon Aston - Check Whitney12 & if you need these, I will send in Gedcom

form for Whitney 13.

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Child of Josiah Dwight Whitney (Jr.) and Louisa Goddard: ELEANOR GODDARD WHITNEY, b. 29 Nov 1856; d. 14 May 1882 in Ecouen, France; m. on 30 Jun 1880 THOMAS ALLEN

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JONATHAN-5 WHITNEY (Jonathan-4, Jonathan-3, Benjamin-2, John-1) b. 4 Aug 1737 Milford, Mass; d. 22 Aug 1792 Old Castle, NY; m. on 7 Nov 1760 ESTHER PARKHURST. Child of Jonathan & Esther: PARKHURST-6 WHITNEY b. 25 Sep 1784, Conway, Mass; d. 26 Apr. 1862, Niagara Falls, NY; m. on 10 Oct 1805 CELINDA COWING. Child of Parkhurst and Celinda: SOLON-7 WHITNEY b. 7 Oct 1815, Niagara Falls, NY; m. on 12 May 1840 FRANCES E. DRAKE. (Notes say he was an Episcopalian) Child of Solon and Frances: DRAKE-8 WHITNEY b. 23 Aug 1843, Niagara Falls, NY (Notes: Occupation-Civil Engineer)

Note about the above: I searched our existing Whitney11 database on Robert Ward's site & noticed that we have nothing on this line from Jonathan-3 down. Is it updated more in Whitney12?

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JACOB-5 WHITNEY (Benjamin-4, John-3, Benjamin-2, John-1) b. 11 Jun 1763 Georgetown, ME; d. 28 May 1846, Phillips, ME; m. on 11 Jul 1787 HANNAH MILLS (Intentions at Little River, ME 5 May 1783) 8 Children to Jacob and Hannah: 1) Mary M. Whitney b. 27 Jun 1788; d 25 Mar 1790 2) James M. Whitney b. 9 Oct 1790 m. ? Hinkley

• • 3) Christopher Atwood Whitney b. 3 apr 1793 Phillips, ME; d. 23 Aug 1869,

Tomah, Wisc.; m. on 1 Jan 1823 in Phillips, ME Adeline Howard (Notes: "Farmer" - Cemetery: Greenfield, Tunnel City, Wisc.) 4) Patience W. Whitney b. 26 Feb 1795 5) Joseph T. Whitney b. 26 Jan 1797 6) Samuel L. Whitney b. 3 Aug 1799; m. on 17 Feb 1827 to Delinda S. Howard -- 7 children (no dates): Prescilla F.; Bernard R. or K.; Andrew D.; Daiel W. or H.; Jacob W.; Rose W.; Charles 7) John B. Whitney b. 5 Nov 1801 8) Josiah T. Whitney b. 1 Aug 1807 (notes: "Living @ Chippewa Falls, Wisc. in 1875"

• • Christopher Atwood Whitney and Adeline Howard - 8 children:

1) Rufus C. Whitney 2) Samuel L. Whitney 3) Benjamin Whitney b. 2 Apr 1828, Phillips ME; d. 1868 Tomah, Wisc. m. Huldah Sweetser Whitney --2 children: Almont Benjamin (1856-1880); and Charles Alvano (Dr.)(1860-?) 4) Edward Whitney 5) Louisa Whitney b. 10 Mar 1836, Phillips ME; d. 27 Oct 1919 Tunnel City, Wisc.; m. on 5 apr 1854 Elias Wyman -- Child: Almon Wyman (1866-1951) 6) Naomi Whitney b. 10 Mar 1840, Phillips ME; d. 30 Nov 1932 m. on 29 Mar 1860 George Crampton Prescott (notes: Cemetery- LaGrange, Wisc.) - 2 Children (surname Prescott): George Albert; Amanda Jane(Jennie) 7) Atwood Whitney 8) Lucette Whitney

Hope these help somebody -- and OF COURSE corrections & verifications are WELCOME!

-) Jeanne

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:36:04 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: A couple more descendants! To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Forgot some from Edward Stoner's descendancy chart:

Joseph Glazier-7 WHITNEY (Abner-6, Samuel-5, William-4, Nathaniel-3, John-2, John-1) b. 22 Jun 1783 Westminster, Mass; d. 31 Jul 1868 Ashburnham, Mass; m. in 1805 to LEVINA DUNN. Child of Joseph Glazier Whitney and Levina Dunn: John-8 Whitney b. 12 Sept 1806 Westminster, Mass; d. 4 May 1873 Ashburnham, Mass; m. on 9 May 1832 ELIZA CUSHING. Child of John and Eliza: Wilbur-9 Whitney b. 9 Dec 1839; m. on 17 July 1866 EMALINE S. JEWELL

-) Jeanne

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       [email protected], [email protected] (melindaragland), [email protected],
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cc: [email protected] Subject: Witney12.GED

Hello All;

Attached is Witney12.GED. It contains over 8400 names. I included all the names that were submitted and caution might be used to consider the privacy of the living before publishing it on a Webpage.

I will attempt to send the file as an attachment, AOL usually transmits an attachment with no problem; however, other ISP's may present various problems. I would suggest that after you download the file that you view it in a wordprocessor and delete any information before the word "0 HEAD" at the beginning of the file and after the word "O TRLR" at the end of the file. If you can't receive the file please let me know and I'll send you a ZIP file on a 3.5'" disk. I use the IBM format, so MAC users may need to convert.

Keep in touch

Jon Aston

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:18:10 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 60 more Whitneys

Hi Whitney:

Do you have them in your own genealogical database program? If so, you can create a GEDCOM file with your softward and then send that file as an attachment to Jon Aston ([email protected]). - or send them to me, same way.

(None of us wants to type them in either.)

Allan

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:46:22 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Whitney VitRec, CT from Barbour

I photocopied the new edition of Barbour Connecticut Vital Records. (My library has the first 7.) Some of the towns had no Whitneys, some have one or two. I picked Ashford, Branford, Bridgeport, and Canaan, because they all have a bunch. Please include them in the VR project.

ASHFORD, CT

   WHITNEY

Calvin, m. Maria Thursa JAMES, b. of Ashford, May 29, 1882, by Rev. Reuben

 Torrey, Eastford.  (see under WHITING for record of children)

Emily, d. Samuel, Jr. & Lucinda, b. Nov. 1819 Esther, d. Peter & Marcy (perhaps Marey), b. Nov 1, 1778 Fielder Spaulding, s. Samuel, Jr. & Lucinda, b. Mar. 1, 1817 Harriet E., m. Samuel H. PRESTON, b. or Ashford, Nov. 23, 1851, by Rev. P. Mathewson. Juneck Williams, s. Samuel, Jr. and & Lucinda, b. Apr. 2, 1826 Mary Ann, d. Samuel, Jr. & Lucinda, b. Apr. 2, 1826 Sally, of Ashford, m. George ARNOLD, of Woodstock, July 11, 1822, Rev. Isaac Hall. Samuel, Jr. m. Lucinda CHAPMAN, Jan 21, 1816 Samuel, farmer, b. Killingly, res. Ashford, d. Jan 7, 1850 ae. 93 Warren, m. Deanna JOHNSON, b. of Ashford, Oct. 19, 1824, by Amos Babcock, Elder. Intention published. ...dia, d. Peter & Marcy (poss. Marey), b. Feb 10, 1781

End. I'll do this rest some other time. By the way, I'm still looking for an Ezra, born about 1790 that married a Julia from New Hampshire, and had ch. in NY.

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:10:52 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: More CT Whitneys1687-1808

Today, in my local library, (Stamford, CT) I found "The History and Genealogy of the Families of Old Fairfield". P. 1040 starts a line of Whitneys with :

Richard, s. of John, (Vol I, p. 688) [which I forgot to copy!]

b. Apr. 18, 1687, m. (rec. Norwalk) 17 Apr. Hannah Darling, dau. of John, b. abt. 1689, d. at Greenfield, 20 Oct. 1774, ae. 85. He built a mill at Sasco River, but by 1714 settled in Stratford.

Children, two recorded at Norwalk, one Stratford, one Stratfield;

Elijah, b. 16 Apr. 1710, d. at Norwalk bef. 1741, m. 6 July 1734, Rebecca Seymour,dau. John

Samuel, b. 5 Oct. 1711 (or 1712 by Greenfield rec.)

Richard, b. 1 Sep., 1715, bp. at Stratfield, 22 Apr. 1716, m. at Stratfield, 4 Dec 1750, Experience Beardsley,d. of John, b. Feb. 1724/5, d. 11 July 1780

John, b. 17 Jan. 1719/20, d. at Branford, 29 Mar. 1805, ae. 85; ship-carpenter; m. at Branford, 19 Jan. 1750/1, Deborah Smith.

Daniel, b. 24 Apr. 1723,d. at Stamford; cooper; m. at Greenwich, 7 Nov. 1745, Hannah Clawson.

It then goes on to give Samuel's line down to his grandchildren, and a couple of ggrandchildren. I'll check, but I think Richard is the son of John and Elizabeth Harris, of MASS, one of the spawn of J&E, no doubt. I didn't find these in the database, so I'm going to fax this to Jon A. for inclusion in Whitney13, with a herd of other Whitney's I have found here in CT, but if anyone is interested in this line, I could post it earlier. Yours, A. Whitney Brown

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 01:59:37 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: London Report on DeSalis fraud

Dear WRG:

Several of you have asked me to send you a copy of the report I found in a file of loose papers in a Whitney folder at the Library of the Society of Genealogists in London last summer. I came upon it tonight, actually while looking for something else, and decided to retype it and send it this way.

Those of you who are interested can print and save it.

Retyping was called for, I discovered, because there were no spaces following the punctuation marks.They went right on.Like this. I changed nothing else except putting quotes around titles that were underlined in the original (I underlined them, too, but that does not transfer as a part of an ASCII file).

I know nothing about Mr. T. K. Butcher other than that he seems to know his

way around the record sources and the repositories in which they may be found. I would be hard pressed to follow some of his trails, which seems to indicate that he is a fairly experienced English genealogical researcher.

Take it for what it seems to be worth, especially in combination with the

other material we have access to that also debunks Henry's English ancestry.

I did spend three days trying to find him following the Berkhamsted St. Mary

(Northchurch) trail and elsewhere in Hertfordshire, with no better result than Mr. Butcher.

Enjoy - (sorry Mal, I'm constantly raining on your parade)

Allan

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Woodman Cottage Pishill Bottom Henley-on-Thames 3.6.87

Dear Mr. Lawson Edwards Referring back to my enquiry last September and your reply dated Sept. 5, concerning a Mrs. de Salis & a Whitney pedigree. I enclose a copy of my findings. As you will see, the lady, whoever she was, perpetrated an extremely cunning fraud, which apparently only recently aroused suspicion among American genealogists.

My wife (nee Whitney) is a direct descendant of Henry Whitney. It seems unlikely that Henry's origins will ever be discovered, but if at any time any evidence comes to your notice, I should be very grateful to hear of it. In the meantime, I hope my researches may be of use to others.

Yours Sincerely, T. K. Butcher

Report:

The Pedigree of Whitney, reproduced in "The Whitney Family in Connecticut" by Stephen Whitney Phoenix: an investigation.

I discovered this book, published in USA about 1880, in the Los Angeles Central Library (genealogical section) in December 1978. The pedigree was compiled by a Mrs. de Salis (nee Bainbridge) in London, 1875.

I started to check it from all available sources and soon found that the first 22 generations were taken from "The Golden Grove", a collection of early Welsh pedigrees (I later obtained copies of the relevant pages). The compiler, an official of the College of Arms in the early eighteenth century, states that he had placed the Whitneys among the 'Adventurers and Advenae' (foreigners) of Radnorshire...' not but I think them British originally but as they soon turned their names according to the Norman method.' This of course accounts for the Welsh names at the beginnning of the pedigree. After these legendary Welsh figures, and still with the "Golden Grove", we find Sir Baldwinus de Whitney (Sir Baldwin lord of Whitney in the original) ap Baldwin lord of Talgarth etc. in the manner of Welsh pedigrees for 11 more generation. Then follow another Baldwin, Eustace and 4 more Baldwins, Hugh, yet another Baldwin, then Eustace and Robert.

There are several Whitney pedigrees in the County Record Office at Hereford, the oldest of which starts with Turstinus Flandrensis (Turstin the Fleming) a companion of William the Conqueror, who was granted land at Pencomb in Herefordshire, and is mentioned in various sources as the ancestor of the Whitneys of Whitney on Wye. His wife was Agnes de Merleberge, and their son Eustace took the name of de Whitney from his possessions (Duncumb and others: Collections of the Histor of the County of Hereford, 1804-1902). The Hereford pedigree is much shorter and reads, after Turstinus, Eustace Baldwin, Eustace, Robert.

I have carried out a thorough examination of the de Salis pedigree and of the preface to the book, in which Phoenix cites numerous documents in support of it.

The last name in the pedigree is that of Henry Whitney, who is stated to have 'emigrated to New England.' His father's name is given as Thomas Whitney of Berkhamsted St. Mary or Northchurch, Hertfordshire, and his mother Mary Roach, d. of John Roach. The parish registers have Thomas Whitney marrying Dorothy Younge, 21 Sept., 1613, but no trace of any other marriage. Baptisms include Ambrose (d. in infancy), John 1615 and Mary 1620, but no Henry. The will of Thomas Whitney, said to have been proved at Hitchin, 4 May 1659, is not in the Herts. County Record Office. Phoenix states that it includes a gift to his son 'Henry Whitney (Whitnee) if he return home to his countrie.' It also mentions his widow Mary and sons Thomas, John and Robert (see above for parish records). I have also searched in the Public Record Office, London, for this will but it is not there either.

I have, however, a copy of the will of the son Thomas, of Berkhamsted and described as 'yeoman'. It mentions his daughter, though not by name, various grandchildren called Putnam and Hill, but not his supposed brother Henry. Incidentally, the correct date of this will is given by de Salis, but the testator is described as 'single.' The will of Anne Roberts, sister of this Thomas, dated 1655 and also said to have been proved at Hitchin, is not in the County Record Office. It is said to mention Henry, 'now living in New England.' Thus we have no evidence that Henry's origins are as stated by de Salis. Several members of the Connecticut Society of Genealogists have told me that the pedigree is bogus, but have failed to offer any evidence. An American book, "History and Genealogy of the Families of Old Fairfield," has this comment on Henry: 'His English origin is unknown, the ancestry assigned to him in the splendid genealogy by Phoenix having proved false.'

The Herts. County Record Office has the will of Jane Whitney, Anne's mother, also of Berkhamsted, proved at Hitchin in 1627; it mentions her daughter Anne Rogers (not Roberts), son-in-law John Rogers and Jane's son Thomas. This is quoted correctly except for the surname Roberts for Rogers.

Still working back we have two wills, the first being that of Thomas Whitney the elder of Brook Walden (Saffron Waldern, Essex.) The date is 1602 and he is described as 'gent.': he mentions his wife Elizabeth, brother Thomas, and brother-in-law Thomas Stuteville - all correct in de Salis.

The same applies to the other, that of Thomas's brother Robert (1590) 'of Thetford in the counties of Suffolk and Norfolk, gent.', which mentions his wife Jane, his brothers Henry, Thomas the elder, Thomas the younger and George, sons and daughters and again Thomas Stuteville. (The Stutevilles were an ancient East Anglian family and the Whitneys would appear to be rather proud of the marriage.) Incidentally, Robert Whitney was Member of Parliament for Thetford in 1585.

The will of William Pardoe (1586) father of Penelope, said to be the wife of the above George Whitney, is not in the Essex C.R.O. That of Mary Whitney (1590) is there and is correctly summarised by Phoenix. Those mentioned are her son, son-in-law Thomas Stuteville, Esq., daughter and various other members of the family, all correctly set down by de Salis.

Missing documents are the Bill of Complaint of Humphrey Cob of Wimbish (1611) which is supposed to give supporting evidence: the will of Thomas Pardoe (1605); and that of Henry Pardoe (1619). However, we have several generations, the third and fourth from the bottom of the pedigree, proved to be substantially correct. The next, with Nicholas and Mary (see above) and their daughter Anne is authentic, as a Suffolk pedigree shows Thomas Stuteville as having married the d. of Nicholas Whitney of Walden, Essex. Still working backwards, we come to the will of Margery Aesden, alleged to have been proved at Lichfield, Apl. 3, 1578. This would have been a valuable piece of evidence, establishing 3 generations of Whitneys, but here again the County Record Office has no trace. The will of her Brother Thomas, sometime abbot of Dieulacres, near Leek in Staffordshire is in the PRO, London, and a fascinating historical document it is. It mentions his brother John and nephew Nicholas, niece Anne and Margery Aesden. John Whitney was Chamberlain of the Abbey and Nicholas was employed there in some subordinate capacity. They are both mentioned in various sources, including the "Victoria County History of Staffordshire" and "The Dissolution of the Monasteries" by F. A. Hibbert (Pitman, London, 1910). Yet another Whitney, Humphrey, was Bailiff of the manors owned by the Abbey in Cheshire. The monastery was dissolved by order of Henry VIII in 1538, and Thomas continued to live in the town of Leek, bequeathing his house there to Nicholas in his will, as well as his land. But was Nicholas Whitney of Walden, Essex the same person as Nicholas of Leek?? The numerous references to Nicholas son of John Whitney are all to do with Leek and the surrounding area, except that mentioned at the bottom of p.3 - and an entryin the Visitation of London, 1568, which reads: - 'Thomas Gardener of Safforne Walden in Essex m.-, the d. of Nychoolas Whitney of Walden and by her hathe...' Oddly enough, this is not mentioned by de Salis or Phoenix.

The 'evidence' that it was the same Nicholas is quoted by Phoenix as follows: a suit brought (27 Elizabeth - 1584/5) by 'Nicholas Whitney, of Brooke Walder, Co. Essex, alias dict., Nicholas Whitney, lately of Leke, Co. Stafford' for a messuage' of which his father, John, died seized.' This is said to be in the Common Pleas, or De Banco Rolls in the PRO, London, but it is not to be found.

John Whitney, father of Nicholas of Leek, is mentioned in numerous documents relating to that place; his father, according to de Salis, was Robert. I have only been able to find one reference to a Robert Whitney of Staffordshire in the right period, and that is in Star Chamber proceedings of 1538, when he gave a surety of L200 (Proceedings of Staffs. Hostorical Society). Phoenix says he is mentioned in an Inquisitio post mortem Owen Parry, 1549, in the PRO, London, as 'his son-in-law deceased, Robert Whitney.' There is no trace of this document in the PRO.

Another inquisitio p.m. is said to be in the same place, but is also untraceable. It treats of the will of Richard Vaughn of Leckryd (Llechryd?) 1537 and is said to mention his daughter Constance, son-in-law Hugh Whitney and grandson Robert. These two documents would have established Robert Whitney as the husband of Mary Parry and the son of Hugh Whitney of the Hay and his wife Constance Vaughn. However, I am assured by Peter C. Bartrum, a leading authority on Weosh genealogies, that he knows of no source which gives Hugn of the Hay a wife or any children. Incidentally, the Golden Grove pedigree, while not mentioning his wife's name, gives him a son Eustace, who m. Constance, d. of Sir Richard Vaughn, with several generations following. It seems that this was copied incorrectly from an older MS, in which Eustace was placed under Hugh but not joined.

To sum up, the number of 'missing documents' seems to me to prove beyond doubt that the de Salis pedigree is bogus. It was obviously very carefully prepared, with enough verifiable evidence to deceive anyone not prepared to undertake a thorough investigation. One curious aspect is that Phoenix states that all the relevant material is in his possession. However, in the days before photocopying, it would have been easy for Mrs. de Salis to provide him with uncertified copies. The Society of Genealogists in London has never heard of Mrs. de Salis.

T. K. Butcher 20.2.1987

Postscript: The Whitneys and Royal Descent

I have noticed that some sources (Duncumb, the Hereford pedigrees, the Golden Grove and thus de Salis) claim royal descent for the Whitneys through the marriage of Sir Robert Whitney to Constance [Touchet-AEG], d. of Lord Audley by his wife Eleanor, illegitimate daughter of Edmund Holland, Earl of Kent, by Constance, his mistress, d. of Edmund de Langley, fifth son of Edward III. P. C. Bartrum (see above) is sure that Constance was Sir Robert's first wife and the only issue of that marriage was a daughter, Jane, who m. Roger Vaughn of Porthaml. Sir Robert's other children were by his second wife, Elizabeth, d. of Thomas Vaughn of Hergest. (See also Vis. Herefordshire, 1569, Harl. 615, ff. 60b., 61)

(Signed) Thomas Kennedy Butcher

            Woodman Cottage
            Pishill Bottom
            Henley-on-Thames
            Oxon, RG7 6HJ
            England, 1987

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:22:58 -0700 From: Stan or Mary Ann Lindsay <[email protected]>

To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: London Report on DeSalis fraud

Geez, Allan, I am going to have to get an umbrella! ("I am constantly raining on your parade") JOKE! On the contrary, you have been so great with all this research, we of Henry 1620, do appreciate it. And I suppose your other cousins do too. How we gonna learn anythng if we don't study with the master? It will take me a while to digest all this of course, but I have suspicions (somehow that word does not look right,but I looked it up) that we will cut to the chase soon. I too am looking everywhere I can to find any clues to Henry. If only my grandmother or any descendants were left in England or should I say CT? NY?. I think I will try that next. Talk to ya, love all the stuff you all have been sending. Have a good day, check my new and improved homepage. Still making changes tho. (http://netdex.com/~malincal) MAL

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From: "Patricia A. Whitney-Jones" <[email protected]> Subject: New Haven Burying Grounds

Dear Whitney Group and Mayflower Group:

I've been out of the country on vacation and haven't been on-line lately....hope I do this right!

For anyone who doesn't already have the info as to where Eli Whitney and Isaac Allerton (Mayflower) are buried and would like it , I came upon some interesting history/discussion about the Grove Street Cemetary (The New Haven Burying Ground ~ Conn.) while searching some leads for a few of my relatives. It is part of the University of Conn. Library @ http://www.lib.uconn.edu/search.html.

For those who are interested, below is the url adress.

http://www.lib.uconn.edu/ArchNet/Topical/Historic/Grove_Street.html

~Tricia~ Patricia Whitney-Jones {Lackie/Hoopes} http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/w/h/i/Patricia-A-WhitneyJones/index.html

LACKIE*LAVIGNE*SANDIFORD*WHITNEY*REID*PERRY*TYLER*WARNER* FROST* BULLEN*STAATS*MAXWELL*CROCKETT* MCCRONE*HOFFECKER*NAUDAIN*PEACH*ROBERTS

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:04:52 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: More CT Whitneys1687-1808 To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Today, A. Whitney Brown posted a message regarding Whitneys he found in his local library in the book "The History and Genealogy of the Families of Old Fairfield". His posting began with:

>>Richard, s. of John, (Vol I, p. 688)[snip]<<

I can identify the above to be:

Richard-3 WHITNEY (John-2, Henry-1) -- descendant of Henry Whitney of Long Island and Connecticut -- son of John Whitney and Elizabeth Smith.

These names should not be a part of Whitney13, as that database is dedicated to John and Elinor Whitney (of Watertown) and their descendants.

Whitney - it would be wonderful if you would send me what you have on Richard Whitney's descendants so I can be sure they are part of the HENRY WHITNEY database, which I am maintaining. Thanks!

Regarding the other message on ASHFORD, CT vitals from the Barbour Collection, which began with >>Calvin [snip]<< I could not connect these names with either database, but will keep them as a reference for possibly adding later.

-) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse

8/27/97

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:24:12 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Vermont Census Index 1830 Whitneys

Dear WRG:

Continuing the extracted Whitney entries in the Vermont Census Index, here are those for 1830. All I have left are the ones for 1850, but missing Windham County, which is one of the most important ones (with the most Whitneys). Does anyone have access to the VT Census Index book that could extract just the Windham County ones to make the listing complete? I also do not have any for 1840 at all.

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           WHITNEY EXTRACTS FROM 1830 VERMONT CENSUS INEDX

Given Name Town Page

ADDISON COUNTY Benjamin F. Addison 311 David Addison 311 John Middlebury 328 John Shoreham 193 Josiah Shoreham 193 Levi Salesbury 205 Oliver Goshon 271

BENNINGTON COUNTY Asa Reedsboro 081 Elijah Bennington 038 Joseph Peru 139 Levi Bennington 032 Nathan Peru 138 Theopilus Bennington 037

CALEDONIA COUNTY Almond Barnet 401 Boilston Danville 303 Calvin St Johnsbury 339 Elish Walden 360 Orlando St Johnsbury 339 Solomon Danville 303 William M. Lyndon 322

CHITTENDEN COUNTY George Essex 249 Henry Burlington 216 Luther Westford 260 Otis Williston 302 Samuel Williston 307 Stephen Burlington 218

FRANKLIN COUNTY Bartholomew Franklin 137 Joel Sheldon 130 Nathan Fairfield 041 Samuel Richford 158 Sherwood Fairfield 040

GRAND ISLE COUNTY Selon North Hero 014

ORANGE COUNTY Aaron Tunbridge 198 Abel Williamstown 222 Abel Tunbridge 198 Abel Brookfield 150 Bailey Tunbridge 197 David Randolph 178 David Tunbridge 198 David Jr. Tunbridge 198 Elijah Jr. Williamstown 221 Hollis Tunbridge 192 Isaac Chelsea 156 John Chelsea 158 Jonathan Tunbridge 192 Joseph D. Brookfield 143 Levi Williamstown 223 Thomas Tunbridge 203 William Tunbridge 196

ORLEANS COUNTY Berzeal Craftsberry 188 Eamaliel T. Woolcot 251 Eliphlet Morristown 236 George H. Woolcot 250 Jesse Woolcot 251 Josiah Woolcot 251 Levi T. Woolcot 252 Newel Craftsberry 188 Rufus Westfield 262 William Woolcot 252

RUTLAND COUNTY Phineas Brandon 192 Ward Shrewbury 189

WASHINGTON COUNTY Chester Waterbury 401

WINDHAM COUNTY Aaron Jamaica 104 Abel Guildford 035 Alpheus Halifax 156 Asa Halifax 158 Augustus Townsend 113 Barnard Marlboro 191 Ebenezer Brookline 111 Eleasen Halifax 158 Eliphlet Putney 126 Emery Marlboro 191 Henry Putney 128 Hiram Brookline 111 Israel Brookline 111 John Dummeston 023 Jonas Marlboro 189 Jotham Halifax 158 Leland Westminster 142 Lemuel Brattleboro 013 Moses Marlboro 185 Moses G. Whitingham 200 Nathaniel Marlboro 191 Noah Westminster 137 Philip Halifax 161 Samuel Jamaica 104 Sarah Westminster 142 Simie Marlboro 191 Solomon Marlboro 190 Stephen Marlboro 186 Thadeus Guildford 035 Timothy H. Athens 122 Winslow Putney 127

WINDSOR COUNTY Abigail Chester 106 Abram Hartford 228 Adolphus Hartland 025 Aseph Plymouth 189 Caleb Chester 116 Calvin Hartland 033 Charles Royalton 259 Cyrus Springfield Twp 132 Daniel Plymouth 189 David Springfield Twp 133 Elijah Springfield Twp 138 Isaac Weston 162 Jacob Weston 162 Joel Springfield Twp 129 John Ludlow Twp 157 John Rochester 210 Joshua Bridgewater 177 Levi Woodstock 073 Norman S. Andover Twp 122 Olive Cavendish Twp 151 Richard Weston 162 Silas Sharon 246 Simeon Springfield Twp 127 Sophia Widow Royalton 252 Thomas Hartford 232 William Norwich Village 214 William Chester 111

END 1830 VERMONT CENSUS INDEX, WHITNEY EXTRACTS

Happy Hunting:-)

Allan

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From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 01:22:12 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ezra W. Framingham, MA&Woodstock, CT-49 desc.

Dear Whitney & WRG:

May I make a couple of "corrections" in the data you posted from "The History of Woodstock, Connecticut, Genealogies of Woodstock Families", by Clarence Winthrop Bowen.

Ezra Whitney was born in Sherborn, Middlesex, MA, not Framingham, on the date given (Sherborn VRs). His parents, James Whitney and Martha Rice were married in Framingham on 2 Feb 1714/15 (Framingham VRs) , but all of their six children were born in Sherborn. The date given for his (first) marriage in Sherborn to Mercy Morse is incomplete, the year 1754 being omitted.

Has anyone volunteered to accept the fax of the pages involved in his 49 descendants? If not, let me know and I'll dig up the college fax number and send it to you tomorrow (we are real up-to-date and have only one general number in the Library for all the faculty - naturally administrators have their own fax numbers).

I, for one, would be interested in seeing this line carried out further, as in doing so we sometimes "get down to" names of Whitney persons that others in the WRG have only "gotten up to", and thus enable them to connect up with the line all the way back to the immigrant ancestor.

Will someone like Mary Ann Lindsay or other CT Whitney folks help me out with the place where the CT Whitney line had an incorrect linkage to my line of Whitneys of Stratford. I think it was a Samuel Sr., married to Anne Laborie, or Samuel Jr., married to Hannah Judson, but can't remember for certain. I think Whitney Brown may have taken a wrong turn at that point from the J&E line over into the CT Whitneys as they appear in the Phoenix. Whitney, if I am wrong about this (it won't be the first time), I apologize, and hope I haven't offended you.

Had a nice note from John Whitney at Oxford about my posting of the report on the De Salis fraud. He is acquainted with Thomas Butcher, who wrote the report, and remembered having seen it in 1989. But, his most marvellous news was that he and Ed Sinker of Hereford have tentatively arranged to meet in London early in September for a visit to the Greater London Record Office to survey the parish registers for Lambeth St. Mary and other sources to look for the birth and parentage of the elusive Thomas Whitney, gentleman, of Westminster, father of John.

Another good note. Debbie Stelmach's library has the Census Indexes (Indices) for 1840 and 1850, and will copy the relevant pages and help us all by filling in the holes that I have left in the listing of Vermont Whitneys in that source. I wish I could remember who it was that used their resource CD of some kind and printed them and sent them to me. Was it someone among the WRG - if so, I want them to get credit for their contribution.

Otherwise, it must have been some kind soul on the Northeast-Roots maillist.

I'll get the 1850 ones done soon. In the meantime,

Happy Hunting:-)

Allan

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:28:08 -0700 From: Stan or Mary Ann Lindsay <[email protected]>

To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ezra W. Framingham, MA&Woodstock, CT-49 desc.

Allan, You have such a good memory. Yes, it is Samuel and Ann Laboree who got into Henry's line by mistake. Ya see, we have so much in common, that is your link and it was in MY line. So you are still being a nightowl, huh? If it is 11:30PM here it must be gee, sleepy time there. I am glad to hear Edward Sinker and John of Oxford are getting together. I was hoping my boys could meet them and a couple my other cousins when they were in London, but no such luck. Last I heard, my hubby was at least going to try to phone someone. They get home tomorrow nite. Anxious to hear about it all. Cannot wait to go over next year. I will have to do all the research, my Lindsay men are from Mars. Talk to ya all later, have a good eve, what's left of it. MAL

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From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:05:21 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: VT 1850 Whitney Census Index

Dear WRG:

Finally, as promised, the 1850 version of the VT Census Index - minus Windham County, which is full of Whitneys. Debbie Stelmach is going to do those for us, so they can be added to this list when she gets to the library to copy them.

Enjoy

             1850 VERMONT CENSUS INDEX WHITNEY EXTRACTS

Given Name Town(ship) Page

ADDISON COUNTY Benjamin Hancock 061 Daneil Middlebury 127 Eliza Bridport 017 James Bristol 319 Mary Middlebury 131 Richard Salisbury 201 Sally Salisbury 204 Williard Salisbury 204 Williard Salisbury 204

BENNINGTON COUNTY Baxter Peru 095 Emuson Dorset 087 George B. Peru 099 Hannah Manchester 131 Hiram Sandgate 111 Ira Stamford 163 John Peru 096 John Peru 097 John Peru 096 Lorenzo D. Readsborough 177 Mary D. Stamford 163 More Bennington 221 Moses E. Bennington 202 Patrick Shaftsbury 013 William Peru 098 Z. T. Peru 097 Zimry Peru 095 Zimry Peru 094

CALEDONIA COUNTY Ansel Barnet 106 Augustus G. Kirby 043 Jonathan St Johnsburg 047 [bury? - AEG] Nancy Walden 294 Newhall Wheelock 278

CHITTENDEN COUNTY Alonzo Hinesburgh 110 Betsey Hinesburgh 110 Edmund Williston 012 Elizabeth Hinesburgh 110 George Essex 149 George L. Milton 194 George L. Milton 194 Henry Burlington 280 Levi Hinesburgh 110 Lucy Burlington 327 Otis Williston 012 Samuel D. Williston 006 Sarah Jericho 039 Stephen Burlington 300

FRANKLIN COUNTY Abigail Fairfield 143 Andrew Sheldon 291 Barsheba Highgate 331 Bart Franklin 356 Bart Franklin 356 Edward Franklin 348 Enoch B. St Albans 080 G. H. Highgate 319 George H. St Albans 074 Harriett Sheldon 284 Joel Sheldon 292 Joel B. Enosburg 191 John R. Franklin 356 Lorenzo Fletcher 004 Maria Franklin 356 Oliver Sheldon 283 Rodrick Highgate 323 Sally Fairfield 148 Sally Highgate 331 William Sheldon 293

GRAND ISLE COUNTY Gary N. Hero 020 Leland N. Hero 020

LAMOILLE COUNTY Alva S. Walcott 130 Betsey Johnson 058 Charles F. Walcott 132 Cyrus Morristown 168 David Elmore 190 Emma Stowe 151 Gamaliel T. Walcott 131 George H. Walcott 125 Henry E.* Walcott 131 Horace Walcott 130 Isaac Elmore 190 Jesse Walcott 123 Newell Walcott 133 Orril Walcott 130 Sarah B. Walcott 133 Sylvia A. Walcott 131 Thomas Walcott 132 William Walcott 123

ORANGE COUNTY Aaron Tunbridge 004 Aaron P. Tunbridge 015 Abel Williamstown 277 Benjamin Tunbridge 003 Benjamin H. Braintree 309 Charles Newbury 104 Charles Brookfield 261 Cyrus Tunbridge 003 Daniel Brookfield 254 David Washington 329 David Jr. Tunbridge 003 Elijah Williamstown 281 Elvira Williamstown 267 Francis Brookfield 246 Franklin Tunbridge 005 Frederick Brookfield 259 George Tunbridge 004 Henry Tunbridge 004 Henry H. Braintree 310 Isaac Chelsea 299 Jackson Braintree 308 Jackson W. Chelsea 299 James Chelsea 299 John Chelsea 295 Joseph Tunbridge 006 Joseph D. Brookfield 253 Lanora Chelsea 299 Laura Williamstown 281 Levi Randolph 224 Levi Williamstown 281 Lewis Tunbridge 006 Mabel Williamstown 281 Maria Tunbridge 011 Mary Randolph 219 Naham T. Chelsea 301 Rufus W. Fairlee 063 Thomas Tunbridge 004 William Brookfield 248 Zebina Tunbridge 001

ORLEANS COUNTY Beguleel* Craftsbury 034 Capins C.* Troy 104 Daniel Westfield 102 Daniel* Craftsbury 034 Edwin Troy 104 James* Craftsbury 034 Newell Craftsbury 030

RUTLAND COUNTY Elisha G. Poultney 233 Ellen O. Castleton 199 Emily Paulet 295 Mary Rutland 030 Orlando Rutland 014 Sally Rutland 043 Sarah Fairhaven 250 Sarah B. Rutland 042 Solomon Poultney 221

WASHINGTON COUNTY Abell Worcester 234 Albert G. Northfield 052 Almira Middlesex 255 Chester Waterbury 304 David Northfield 044 Elizabeth Montpelier 164 Harvey Northfield 044 John Marshfield 156 Lewis Warren 023 Marsilla Montpelier 173 Moses Montpelier 167 Riley Waterbury 300 Thomas Woodbury 248

WINDHAM COUNTY - MISSING

WINDSOR COUNTY Aaron W. Woodstock 072 Adalaide M. Plymouth 423 Adolphas Hartland 279 Albert Reading 447 Alfred Hartland 278 Alonzo Plymouth 426 Asaph Plymouth 426 Betsey Woodstock 077 Calvin Ludlow 269 Caroline L. Weston 232 Charles Bethel 181 Cyrus Springfield 461 Daniel Plymouth 430 Don Royalton 095 E. Tuba W. Windsor 247 Edward Woodstock 069 Edwin Woodstock 077 Elijah Springfield 458 Franlis [Francis?] Hartland 277 George F. Woodstock 051 George W. Plymouth 425 Helen Woodstock 087 Hiram Hartland 279 Hiram Plymouth 424 James Ludlow 264 James Bethel 182 John Ludlow 270 John H. Ludlow 271 Joshua Rochester 008 Judith W. Ludlow 259 L. Hartland 289 Linus Hartland 290 Lucinda Barnard 413 Lucretia Bridgewater 168 Lydia S. Springfield 452 Maria Andover 240 Martha Hartland 280 Norman Rochester 007 Norman K. Springfield 453 Oliver Rochester 006 Pardon K. Windsor 366 Persis Bridgewater 168 Rebecca Royalton 092 Samuel Woodstock 054 Seneca Chester 347 Simon Springfield 477 Stephen M. Springfield 460 Susannah Springfield 458 Sylvester Hartland 285 William W. Springfield 461

END 1850 VERMONT WHITNEY CENSUS INDEX ABSTRACTS

Allan

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 06:08:34 -0700 From: Stan or Mary Ann Lindsay <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [Fwd: Re: Ezra W. Framingham, MA&Woodstock, CT-49 desc.]

Stan or Mary Ann Lindsay wrote: > > Sorry to say, there IS an error, Jeanne. This was Allan's discovery, so > I will let Allan explain about Samuel and Ann Laboree. I don't want to > make any mistakes. Seems like Phoenix got Samuel and Ann into Henry's > line and they belong to John and Elinor. Well, Allan where DO they > belong? > I will let the master take over now. Good day. MAL

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:47:44 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Samuel & Ann Laboree To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Hello everybody!

In the HENRY WHITNEY (of Long Island & Connecticut) line, I understand that the author of "The Whitneys of Connecticut", S. Whitney Phoenix, got confused with one of the descendancy lines.

According to our database, JOHN WHITNEY, Henry's only son, married ELIZABETH SMITH and had 11 children...one of which was SAMUEL WHITNEY. We have him married to ANN LABOREE -- which is incorrect. The Samuel Whitney who married Anne Laboree was actually the son of Nathaniel Whitney and Sarah Hagar, thus descended from John and Elinor of Watertown. (At least according to our Whitney11 database info.)

My question is this ... did John Whitney & Elizabeth Smith have a son named Samuel at all? If so, does anyone know anything about him?

Since we have no descendants in the Henry database for them, it causes no problem to simply delete the marriage information. However, a message in the "notes and sources" section would be appropriate stating that the Phoenix book was incorrect in the assumption that he married Anne Laboree.

Any comments Allan Green, Whitney Brown or Mary Ann?

-) Jeanne

P.S. Am leaving for a week on Saturday. I'll keep my subscribed status as is, since I don't want to miss anything! I'll catch up when I return. JWM

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:20:38 -0700 From: Stan or Mary Ann Lindsay <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [Fwd: Samuel & Ann Laboree]

Jeanne Muse wrote: > > Hello everybody! > > In the HENRY WHITNEY (of Long Island & Connecticut) line, I understand that > the author of "The Whitneys of Connecticut", S. Whitney Phoenix, got > confused with one of the descendancy lines. > > According to our database, JOHN WHITNEY, Henry's only son, married > ELIZABETH SMITH and had 11 children...one of which was SAMUEL WHITNEY. We > have him married to ANN LABOREE -- which is incorrect. The Samuel Whitney > who married Anne Laboree was actually the son of Nathaniel Whitney and > Sarah Hagar, thus descended from John and Elinor of Watertown. (At least > according to our Whitney11 database info.) > > My question is this ... did John Whitney & Elizabeth Smith have a son named > Samuel at all? If so, does anyone know anything about him? > > Since we have no descendants in the Henry database for them, it causes no > problem to simply delete the marriage information. However, a message in > the "notes and sources" section would be appropriate stating that the > Phoenix book was incorrect in the assumption that he married Anne Laboree. > > Any comments Allan Green, Whitney Brown or Mary Ann? > > ;-) Jeanne > > P.S. Am leaving for a week on Saturday. I'll keep my subscribed status as > is, since I don't want to miss anything! I'll catch up when I return. JWM

Jeanne, Henry's son John did NOT have a son named Samuel. At least not that I can find. So that means John & Elizabeth had only 10 children right? John's son Richard had a son named Samuel who married Amy Northrop. This is my line, hopefully the rest of the line is correct. I still defer to the master for what you should do about the delete button. Allen??

And--Have a good time off-sure hope your mailbox does not overload. We are a chatty group ya know. You could store your mail or refer it to someone. Any ideas anyone? Any more ideas on Samuel and Ann?

MAL

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From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:27:43 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] (traceylackey),

       [email protected] (paulandbrendanichols),
       [email protected] (patriciaa.whitney-jones),
       [email protected] (aliceharris),
       [email protected] (barrygenedoctorwhitney),
       [email protected] (christopherbrooks),
       [email protected] (caradwenbraskat),
       [email protected] (pegsanborn), [email protected] (craigbeeman),
       [email protected] (richardm.noe), [email protected] (lindaschwartz),
       [email protected] (genegraham), [email protected],
       [email protected] (tomhowder), [email protected],
       [email protected] (janwhitaker),
       [email protected] (johnl.whitney), [email protected] (gordon&jane),
       [email protected] (lisakaywillard),
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       [email protected] (lorenj.mccullough), [email protected],
       [email protected] (mrrichardhmathews),
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       [email protected] (philainsworth),
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       [email protected] (susanjensen), [email protected] (watsond),
       [email protected] (ralphwhitney)

cc: [email protected] Subject: Witney12

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Hello All;

I assume that none of you received the attachment of Witney12.GED, I think the file was too big and AOL discarded it. I have attached a zipped file of the GED, the file is in executable form and can be retrieved using "File - Run" in windows. Let me know if this is successful, if not I will send a disk to those who will send me their address.

Keep in touch

Jon Aston

Attachment Converted: "C:\EUDORA\ATTACH\WITNEY12.EXE"

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 01:24:09 -0400 From: "Debbie J. Stelmach" <[email protected]>

Subject: 1850 VT Census - Windham Co To: "Whitney Group" <[email protected]>

Whitney Group,

Here is the Windham Co Whitney's for the 1850 Census. I also copied the 1840 VT census and the 1860 Mortality Schedule. I'll work on them over this weekend.

Debbie Stelmach [email protected]

1850 Vermont Census

Windham County

NAME                                  PAGE TOWN

Maria 240 Andover

Lucinda 413 Barnard

Charles 181 Bethel James 182 Bethel

Lucretia 168 Bridgewa Persis 168 Bridgewa

Oliver 310 Cavendis

Augustus 327 Chester Richard 327 Chester Seneca 347 Chester

Asa C 195 Dummerst Sarah C 211 Dummerst Levi 211 Dummerst

Phillip 67 Guilford Roxanna 76 Guilford Timothy 77 Guilford

Alvin 122 Halifax Alvin 123 Halifax John 125 Halifax Bartlett 129 Halifax Emory 129 Halifax Jotham 129 Halifax? Martha 129 Halifax Philip 129 Halifax Sarah 129 Halifax

Franlis 277 Hartland Alfred 278 Hartland Adolphas 279 Hartland Hiram 279 Hartland Martha 280 Hartland Sylvester 285 Hartland L 289 Hartland Linus 290 Hartland

Lemuel 258 Jamaica

Isaac 295 Londonde

Judith W 259 Ludlow James 264 Ludlow Calvin 269 Ludlow John 270 Ludlow John R 271 Ludlow

Martin 107 Marlboro Nathaniel 107 Marlboro Bernard 111 Marlboro Zenas H 111 Marlboro Joseph W 116 Marlboro Willard 117 Marlboro

Adalaide M 423 Plymouth Hiram 424 Plymouth George W 425 Plymouth Alonzo 426 Plymouth Aspah 426 Plymouth Daniel 430 Plymouth

Clark 52 Putney Morgan 58 Putney Norman 58 Putney Selah 58 Putney

Albert 447 Reading

Oliver 6 Rocheste Joshua 8 Rocheste

Norman 7 Rochester

Harriet 344 Rockingh

Rebecca 92 Royalton Don 95 Royalton

Lydia S 452 Springfi Norman K 453 Springfi Elijah 458 Springfi Susannah 458 Springfi Cyrus 461 Springfi William W 461 Springfi Stephen M 467 Springfi Simon 477 Springfi

E. Tuea 247 W Windso

Roswell 280 Westmins

Caroline L 232 Weston

Solomon 88 Whitingh Ann 898 Whitingh

Chandler 224 Wilmingt Washburn 225 Wilmingt

Pardon K 366 Windsor

George F 51 Woodstoc Samuel 54 Woodstoc Edward 69 Woodstoc Aaron W 72 Woodstoc Betsey 77 Woodstoc Edwin 77 Woodstoc Helen 87 Woodstoc

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 02:36:05 -0400 From: "Debbie J. Stelmach" <[email protected]> Subject: 1860 VT Mortalitiy Schedule To: "Whitney Group" <[email protected]>

1860 Vermont Mortality Schedule

         Month of  State of

Whitney County Age Death Birth Occupation

Abigail P Rutland Co 35 Mar VT Ann C Franklin Co 4 VT Asa Orleans Co 24 Mar VT Student Cyrus Windsor Co 89 May MA Elen M Bennington Co 10 Dec VT George Bennington Co 8 Dec VT H R Chittenden Co 33 Apr VT (female) Martha Washington Co 67 Aug VT Rolinda Rutland Co 38 Jan VT Warren E Bennington Co 8 Dec VT William Windsor Co 76 Nov MA

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From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:14:15 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Sam-Ann Laboree

As regards the postings on Samuel Whitney who married Ann Laborie in 1720, I am also confused. Our database does not give the father of Ann, but he was Rev. James Laborie, came to Oxford, MA, 1698, then to Stratford, CT, and finally to Fairfield, CT. I haven't found any info on his daughter, Ann(a) but a good source might be "History of the Huguenot Emigration to America"

by Beard.  I know it mentions James.  The reason I'm confused is because I

have three sources that attribute this Samuel to Henry; 1. A History of the Old Town of Stratford and the City of Bridgeport, Rev. Samuel Orcutt, 1886. 2. The History and Genealogies of the Families of Old Fairfield, (Jacobus? my title page is missing) 3. Phoenix The Fairfield book, which is pretty good, says that Samuel, b. abt. 1688, d. at Stratford, 6 Dec 1753, (recorded at Norwalk) ae. 66, m. at Stratford, 18 Jan. 1721/2, Ann Laborie, who m. (2) 23 July 1759, Benjamin Banks of Greenfield.

Orcutt says Samuel and Ann were married the same date. After giving Henry, of Southold, his next entry is John - "John, the son of Henry above, was a miller and mill-wright at Norwalk, and had a famiy of eleven children, one of whom was Samuel, born in 1688, settled in Stratford. Whitney12 says Samuel was born 17 Jan 1687, not saying which calendar.

Savage gives only four of John the miller's children, John, Joseph, Henry, and Richard.

He also gives Samuel, son of Nathaniel, baptised (not born!) 17 July 1687.

(This is a constantly annoying mistake in every database)

And finally, from "Hall's Norwalk Records, the Ancient Records of the Town of Norwalk, Connecticut"

1. "John Whitney tooke to wiffe Elissabeth Smith, the daughter of Richard Smith, and ws married the 17 of March, Anno 1674,75. 2. John Whitney, the sonne of John Whitney, was borne the 12th of March, 1676, 77. 3. Joseph Whitney, the sonne of John Whitney, was borne the first of March, 1678. 4. Henry Whitney, the sonne of John Whitney, was borne the 21th of ffebruary, 1680. 5. Richard Whitne, ye son of John Whitne, born April 18, 1687. These are all the sons of John the miller I could find in Norwalk, possible since it's the same four as Savage, that was his source. It would appear from the limited sources I have here that it is unlikely Samuel of Stratford was John the miller's son, since he was baptised only 3 months after the birth of Richard. On the other hand, there is a big gap in John the miller's children, 1680-87, and there could easily be more children in there. I'm sure this whole issue was resolved long ago, but for now I await the opinion of an expert. Allan?

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From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:30:10 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Ezra of Framingham-corrections

To Allan and the Group; RE: Corrections 1. Birthdate -The book said Ezra, b. Framingham, that was the author's mistake. I'll contact the publisher and have it changed in future editions. 2. Missing marriage date- That was my error. I left it off as a test for Allan, to see if he noticed and could supply the correct date.

Congratulations!  Best, A.Whitney Brown.

Still working on the Norwalk VR. By the way, regarding the VR project, I had a chance to go through Arnold's Rehoboth Vital Record extracts, and there were no Whitneys in Rehoboth, MA, so that is one more down. Could one of the people who typed the VR's tell me the best format, program, and procedure for typing them so I can start on the CT VR's that I have. A. Whitney Brown.

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From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:27:13 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: More on Samuel/Ann

The Fairfield History also mentions Richard, (b. Norwalk 1687, N.VR) m. Hannah Darling (ibid) daughter of John Darling, b. abt. 1689, d. at Greenfield, 20 October, 1774, ae. 85. "He built a mill at Sasco River, but by 1714 had settled in Stratford" Then gives his children, two at Norwalk, one Stratford, one Stratfield. My point is this: He was the brother of the alleged Samuel (John, Henry), he was a miller, as was his father, AND, his wife, from Norwalk, died at Greenfield, which is where his son (another Samuel, b. 1712) died, and most significant, where the alleged second husband of Ann Laborie (Benjamin Banks m. 23 July, 1759) was from. Is this a point in favor of Samuel being related to Richard, and therefore from Henry the miller?) Anyone have VR from Stratford or Greenfield?

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:36:28 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: More on Samuel/Ann

WRG:

AwhitneyB wrote: >As regards the postings on Samuel Whitney who married Ann Laborie in 1720, I >am also confused. Our database does not give the father of Ann, but he was >Rev. James Laborie, came to Oxford, MA, 1698, then to Stratford, CT, and >finally to Fairfield, CT. I haven't found any info on his daughter, Ann(a) >but a good source might be "History of the Huguenot Emigration to America" > by Beard. I know it mentions James. The reason I'm confused is because I >have three sources that attribute this Samuel to Henry; >1. A History of the Old Town of Stratford and the City of Bridgeport, Rev. >Samuel Orcutt, 1886. >2. The History and Genealogies of the Families of Old Fairfield, (Jacobus? my >title page is missing) >3. Phoenix >The Fairfield book, which is pretty good, says that Samuel, b. abt. 1688, d. >at Stratford, 6 Dec 1753, (recorded at Norwalk) ae. 66, m. at Stratford, 18 >Jan. 1721/2, Ann Laborie, who m. (2) 23 July 1759, Benjamin Banks of >Greenfield. > > >Orcutt says Samuel and Ann were married the same date. After giving Henry, of >Southold, his next entry is John - "John, the son of Henry above, was a >miller and mill-wright at Norwalk, and had a famiy of eleven children, one of >whom was Samuel, born in 1688, settled in Stratford. >Whitney12 says Samuel was born 17 Jan 1687, not saying which calendar. > >Savage gives only four of John the miller's children, John, Joseph, Henry, >and Richard. > He also gives Samuel, son of Nathaniel, baptised (not born!) 17 July 1687. >(This is a constantly annoying mistake in every database) > >And finally, from "Hall's Norwalk Records, the Ancient Records of the Town of >Norwalk, Connecticut" > >1. "John Whitney tooke to wiffe Elissabeth Smith, the daughter of Richard >Smith, and ws married the 17 of March, Anno 1674,75. >2. John Whitney, the sonne of John Whitney, was borne the 12th of March, >1676, 77. >3. Joseph Whitney, the sonne of John Whitney, was borne the first of March, >1678. >4. Henry Whitney, the sonne of John Whitney, was borne the 21th of ffebruary, >1680. >5. Richard Whitne, ye son of John Whitne, born April 18, 1687. >These are all the sons of John the miller I could find in Norwalk, possible >since it's the same four as Savage, that was his source. It would appear >from the limited sources I have here that it is unlikely Samuel of Stratford >was John the miller's son, since he was baptised only 3 months after the >birth of Richard. On the other hand, there is a big gap in John the miller's >children, 1680-87, and there could easily be more children in there. I'm >sure this whole issue was resolved long ago, but for now I await the opinion >of an expert. Allan?

You also wrote: >The Fairfield History also mentions Richard, (b. Norwalk 1687, N.VR) m. >Hannah Darling (ibid) daughter of John Darling, b. abt. 1689, d. at >Greenfield, 20 October, 1774, ae. 85. >"He built a mill at Sasco River, but by 1714 had settled in Stratford" Then >gives his children, two at Norwalk, one Stratford, one Stratfield. >My point is this: He was the brother of the alleged Samuel (John, Henry), he >was a miller, as was his father, AND, his wife, from Norwalk, died at >Greenfield, which is where his son (another Samuel, b. 1712) died, and most >significant, where the alleged second husband of Ann Laborie (Benjamin Banks >m. 23 July, 1759) was from. Is this a point in favor of Samuel being related >to Richard, and therefore from Henry the miller?) Anyone have VR from >Stratford or Greenfield?

Samuel-4 WHITNEY of Stratford, CT, was baptized 17 Jul 1687, Watertown, MA, son of Nathaniel-3 and Sarah (HAGAR) WHITNEY, grandson of John-2 and Ruth (REYNOLDS) WHITNEY, and great-grandson of John-1 and Elinor (-----) WHITNEY, the immigrants from England. He died 6 Dec 1753, Stratford, CT.

He m. 18 Jan 1720/1, Stratford, CT, Anne LABOREE, and had at least four children:

   i. Sarah-5 WHITNEY, b. 29 Aug 1723, Stratford.
  ii. Mary WHITNEY, b. 19 Nov 1725, Stratford.
 iii. Samuel WHITNEY, b. 13 Dec 1727, Stratford.
  iv. Anne WHITNEY, b. 15 Nov 1730, Stratford.

The proof that he was the son of Nathaniel-3 WHITNEY of Watertown (and Weston), MA, and not son of John-2 and Elizabeth (SMITH) WHITNEY (no relation to Nathaniel!), lies in the probate records of his father, Middlesex County, MA, File No. 24731. On 2 Dec 1734 an administration account on the estate of Nathaniel WHITNEY was presented in court; and present was Mr. Josiah Hobbs, attorney for Samuel WHITNEY. On 13 Jan 1734/5 the real estate was settled on William WHITNEY, Jr., a grandson, he to pay his uncle Samuel WHITNEY L60-7s-11&1/7d. On 10 Nov 1735, another administration account was presented, including payment to Josiah Hobbs, attorney to "Saml. WHITNEY of Stratford".

This is definitive, despite what has appeared in print.

All of the authorities you quote are wrong. This is a classic case of a mistake being copied and recopied. The mistake is that someone assumed, because of the proximity of Samuel-4 WHITNEY and the children of John-2 WHITNEY, and their similar ages, that they had to be related. There is no documentary proof from primary sources that John-2 and Elizabeth (SMITH) WHITNEY had a son Samuel, and there is documentary proof, cited above, that Samuel WHITNEY of Stratford was son of Nathaniel-3 WHITNEY of Weston, MA.

I rest my case.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward [email protected] http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:49:39 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janis Whitaker) Subject: Maine Census Indexes

Dear WRG's,

     I have the  Maine Census Indexes of Whitneys, for the years 1830,

1840,and 1850. I also have New Hampshire's for 1830 as the two states are mixed together. Because of the very small print, I find the task of typing them daunting. Is there anyone of you who would scan them for the group, if I snail mailed them to you? I may have to preface them with a county guide, especially for the 1830's.

    Next, I have a list of Whitney Marriages printed in the "Maine Farmer"

in the mid 1800's. The problem with this list is that it gives only the date that the marriage was published in their paper and not the marriage date. I do know that at least two entries were published 2-3 weeks after the event, so that provides a chance for a close estimate. Names and place of marriage is included. Shall I send them out to you?

    Finally, I've just returned from a research trip to New Brunswick(my

greatest thrill yet, finding my gggrandfather Grannell's grave in a small graveyard- you know one of those that you never expected to find, because it probably was in someone's back pasture,unmarked!?), and at some point in my travels, I came across this: " Whitneyville, NB, Whitneyville Baptist Church, Northumberland County, record book, 1819-1917, Manuscript Collections at the Provincial Archives." That town isn't on the map, now, but perhaps it has a new name. Northumberland Co. is in the vacinity of former Chatham, which is now called Miramichi City(say that three times fast!). Cheers! Jan

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From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:49:01 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Ann Laboree's Sam

After boning up a little on the history of Stratford and Norwalk, which are less than ten miles apart, my humble opinion is this: 1. It is undisputed that Ann Laboree, d. of Rev. Dr. James Laboree, lived in Stratford. 2. She married a Samuel Whitney, who died in Stratford, 6 Dec., 1753, ae. 66. (Jacobus history of Fairfield). 3. She married (2) Benjamin Banks of Greenfield, 23 July, 1759. ( A few miles from Stratford.)

The question is, what was the lineage of this Samuel? Was it, as Pierce says, (Nathaniel, John, John) Or, as Phoenix has it, (John, Henry)? Many of the WDG are descended from this Samuel, so I guess someone might be interested. Here is what I have found:

4. Henry, the miller and immigrant, moved from L.I. to Norwalk and married (2)Sarah Ketchum. (Jacobus says he objected to Joseph Whitman as suitor to his dau. (stepdau.) Sarah Ketchum. Some of the Norwalk Ketchums removed to Stratford. (Norwalk VR) He had, according to his will, a single child, John, a miller, who had a grant of land at Southold, LI, later removed to Norwalk with his father. 5. John (Henry) married Elisabeth Smith, dau. of Richard Smith at Norwalk (Norwalk VR), 17th of March, Anno 1674, 75. 6. John had 11 children, according to Jacobus, 13 according to Orcutt. All are named. 7. Four of John's sons are recorded at Norwalk. (John, Joseph, Henry, Richard). None of the later children are recorded in my version (Hall's) of the Norwalk records, so they may have been born in Stratford. (Just a thought, no evidence as yet.) Three of them died at Ridgefield, 20 miles or so from Stratford. Ridgefield was settled by patent of some Norwalk residents, I have a copy of the motion to purchase land of the Indians by these residents, (1797,and it includes two of John's sons, Joseph and John, and a son in law, Keeler) 8. Richard, (John, Henry) older brother to disputed Samuel, b. April 18, 1687 "took to wife Hannah Darling, ye daughter of Mr. John Darling, of Fairfield, April 7, 1709." (Norwalk VR). Fairfield is eight miles from Stratford. 9. Richard was a miller like his Dad. 10. Richard died at 20 Oct, 1774, at Greenfield, where his deceased brother's wife lived. (see Benjamin Banks above) 11. "He built a mill at Sasco River, but by 1714 had settled at Stratfield." (Stratford?) (Jacobus) 12. His later children were born in Stratford. Finally, Nathaniel Whitney (John, John) was married in Weston, MA, died in Weston,

Massachusetts, the children whose birthplaces are listed in the database are

all in Weston, Massachusetts, except for this one Samuel. Why would Nathaniel take a trip of a couple of hundred miles to have this child, and then return to Weston? So far it seems to me, from my limited sources, that Phoenix had it right, Pierce wrong, and that all of you descendants of Samuel, supposed son of Nathaniel, are really descendants of Samuel, son of John, son of Henry. I hope this is not to arcane and uninteresting to those of you who do not share this line. Thanks, A. Whitney Brown.

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From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:53:51 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Mistakes recopied.

I am humbled by Robert Ward's reply. Sorry to waste everyone's time. Please ignore my later post detailing all the mistakes I uncovered. I wrote it before I read Robert Ward's proof.

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From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:04:07 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Joseph Mason Whitney

Joseph Mason Whitney recorded his marriage to Julia A Brockway in 1856 and her death in 1876 in a cir.1849 Bible belonging to my mother. Joseph and Julia were married in Detroit, he noted them both as being of Port Huron, Michigan. Julia died at the age of 44 in Columbus, Kansas

This Joseph is the brother of my ggrandfather Henry Payson Whitney.

And is descended (Hope I can get this right).

8 -Joseph Mason/ Henry Payson 7-John, Jr 6 John 5 Elijah 4 Daniel 3 John 2 John 1 John

Is there anybody in WRG reseaching this line?

Jo Hogle [email protected]

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:48:30 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Samuel & Anne Laboree resolved To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

This Samuel Whitney & Anne Laboree debate is what it's all about! I love seeing everyone get involved in a discussion & providing proof to resolve a question. It can get really exciting ... this "genealogy stuff"!

My notes section under John Whitney and Elizabeth Smith will reflect our findings so that future researchers will not "copy mistakes" made by others in the past.

Thanks to everyone for resolving this issue!

-) Jeanne

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From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 23:15:29 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Samuel of Stratford

I'm glad to hear someone is enjoying this Samuel-Ann arcana, but personally it's very embarrassing to me to keep finding out how little I know. Plus, it's an insecure feeling to find out how inaccurate the published sources are. I read the court proceedings regarding Nathaniel, and I just have one last question, to completely reveal my ignorance.

I mailed to Robert W. that there was once a Stratford, Middlesex, MA,

wondering how it was known that this was not the Stratford that Samuel removed to, but now I can't find the reference that cites that as an ancient town. However, I did find a Stratford, NH, Stafford, NH, Stratford, ME, among others, although I feel safe in eliminating Stratford, Oregon from the conversation, as well as Stratford, FLA, among others. There are almost as many Stratfords as there are Milfords. I think I remember the MA Stratford in connection with some Knapps I was looking up by mistake. Also, in the Weston VRs in the database, there is a note saying that Samuel of Weston removed to Strafford, Connecticut, but I didn't see a source for the note. By the way, I don't know if I'm descended from any of these Whitneys, yet, so I'm not taking sides either way.

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From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 02:07:32 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Flogging a Deceased Nag

I noticed in the citation of Samuel's dealing at Weston, the transcriber wrote "Stafford (Stratford) Conn." Sometimes people add a state name to make it easier for the future when the assumption is that it is a certain place. Is it worth checking to see if there were any Whitneys breeding in STAFFORD, New Hampshire, (formerly Dover County, just across the border from Middlesex?

That's the last word, I promise.

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 23:20:56 -0700 From: Stan or Mary Ann Lindsay <[email protected]> To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: Samuel of Stratford

Hey out there my cousins:) Our hard-working Jeanne Muse sends a strong message to us. Lets all be positive about this research stuff. We need to support each other while searching for the facts. That is what this group is all about. No need for anyone to feel embarrassed or insecure (AwhitneyB) No one needs to feel offended by others remarks. And no one needs to feel they need the "last word." We are all searching for the truth and sometimes we find it, sometimes we find discrepencies that need to be ironed out. And we have excellent resources to do it with. The world would be a wonderful place if everything was perfect. Till then we just have to deal with the fact that sources are going to disagree. When I find a conflict on a point, I make a note of it and go with the flow. I was very determined when I started out. For example, we have been trying to find MY Henry 1620's birthplace for quite a while now, our first source said it was England. Now we don't know. I personally think the stork dropped him in the middle of the ocean one fine day and he washed ashore to find the best place on earth. Now see how silly that sounds? And no I have not been drinking any fine CA wine. This is the human side of this name game where we sometimes get crazy from frustration. Let's hang in there, I realize some people are more serious than others about their search, but others of us are trying to keep it light-hearted and fun. It will work itself out. What the heck! Lets leave Samuel and Annie what's her name (no offense) to the angels for the night. They are probably tired of hearing their names discussed anyway. And cousin Jeanne, is this question really resolved? End of my babble for the nite. Guess I will hear about THIS one. Sweet dreams everyone. (Well, it is only 11PM here! But this little message will make powerful reading for those of you who wake up to it in the morning!) Love you all cousins, MAL

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From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 02:23:29 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Mary Whitney/Ma

Hi,

    I'm looking for the ancestry of Mary Whitney who was married to Joseph

Whitaker 25 Apr 1771 in Lancaster, Worcester, Ma. I would be grateful for any help on this line. Thank you.

Joanne

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From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 03:01:12 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: More on Samuel/Ann

Dear Robert (and WRG):

When A. Whitney Brown's posting raising this question came through earlier, I asked myself, "How can I prove that Samuel-4 was the son of Nathaniel-3?"

(Since I often find myself talking to myself, I then answered - )  By either

finding a legal document like a will naming him in the place from which he came, or a deed or other document in the place he went to that refers to him as "late of Weston, MA". Then, being the very intelligent fellow that I am, I also asked myself "Who would be able to come up with this kind of proof?"

My answer was easy - Robert Ward!!!  Robert, do you own ALL the wills for

the Whitneys in Massachusetts? You never cease to amaze me with the source material you have gathered in over what must have been years of work.

I must also again pay tribute to your seemingly never-ending generosity in sharing the fruits of that work with the rest of us. With your help, work that would otherwise take months or years, as one or the other of us finds the time and opportunity to go to the sources and do our own looking, now can be accomplished in an amazingly short time and we then can move on to the next steps.

As to other list matters - another member is going to be able to make a trip to England soon, and we are trying to plan some research activities for him while in London. Our goal will be to look for the records/circumstances of Thomas-0 Whitney's birth and parentage, but in so doing we may also find something to shed further light on the origin of CT-Henry - at least that is my hope. What we are considering is starting an accumulation of all Whitney entries in the records of what are sometimes called the "home counties", which I have always understood to mean those closely surrounding London, i.e., Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire, Essex, Kent, Surrey and Middlesex. (Yes, John, I do have some idea of what size this project might be - we may not get it all since some are not transcribed and printed, but if we started "in the center" and worked outward, using the Phillmore as a guide, we might manage it over a period of several years.)

I'll be retiring in another two years, and if we follow up on our current

plans to move to someplace on the Eastern Shore of MD or the western shore of the Chesepeake Bay in North/Central VA, I will be able to spend more time on this as well. After all, if genealogists can't look across spans of time, who can?

Thanks to AWB for the CT vitals from Ashford - looking forward to the others you mentioned. We seem to be getting some VT info coming now, and some ME things being posted as well. It's about time that those of you looking outside of MA got some help as well. Also thanks to Debbie Stelmach for the VT Mortality Schedule for 1860. Has anyone tried to help Jeanne Muse's new friend, Ed Stoner, on the line of descent from Jonathan-3 through to his Jonathan-5. I don't have anything but what is in W-12.

Allan

Dear ABBY: I've always wanted to find out about my family history, but don't know how to do it myself and can't afford to pay someone to do it for me.

What should I do?  SAM

Dear SAM: Run for public office!

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 16:37:31 -0400 From: Christopher Brooks <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: MA Vital Records - WHITNEY

I have complete photocopies of the Vital Records of Concord and Stow, MA to 1850, and a complete photocopy of Bond's "Watertown Genealogies." Happy to do WRG lookups.

Christopher Brooks

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:05:06 -0400 From: Christopher Brooks <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: WHITNEY-D Digest V97 #70

>Is it worth checking to see if there were any Whitneys breeding in >STAFFORD, New Hampshire, (formerly Dover County, just across the border >from Middlesex?

Small but important correction: That's STRAFFORD, with an "r" as the third letter, not Stafford. We're just a bit contrary here in NH and spell things a bit off the ordinary.

Re STRATFORD, NH: This is a poor, shabby, demoralized logging town about 40 miles north of me on the Connecticut River. Today's population actually lives in North Stratford, which contains the village. I'll wager that it wasn't settled before the Revolution, which makes it clearly too late for a 4th-generation Samuel.

Re SHERBURNE, MA in WITNEY12: This is spelled Sherborn.

BTW, is anyone looking for WHITNEYs out of Stow, MA? The WHITNEYs of Concord were among the first grantees of what became the new town of Stow (Shattuck's "History of Concord, MA") as follows:

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"Lieutenant Joseph Wheeler, by trading with the Nashoba Indians, became their creditor, and petitioned the General Court in 1662, for a grant of 200 acres at the southerly part of their plantation as payment for his debt; but it was refused. In 1669, he, with several inhabitants of Concord, petitioned for a tract of land at Pompasitticutt; and the Court appointed him, with John Haynes of Sudbury...etc...a committee to view it and report at their next session. This report was made May 11, 1670..."

To make a long story short, the committee found that the Indians at Nashoba had superior meadowland "'and they do make but little or no use of it.'" 10 men, including Joseph & Thomas Wheeler, Stephen Hall, William Buttrick, and Sydrach <Shadrach> Hapgood, petitioned for and were granted ownership of the land, provided they settle it with not less than 10 families within 3 years, "'and that a pious, an able, and orthodox minister be maintained there.'"

The town of Stow was subsequently incorporated May 16, 1683. Among its 12 "foundation lot" grantees were John and Samuel Buttrick, Thomas Gates, and the aforementioned Hall and Hapgood. Other grantees given by Shattuck by date include Richard WHITNEY, Sr., Richard WHITNEY Jr., Moses WHITNEY, Boaz Brown (both Sr and Jr), Henry Rand, Samuel Hall, and James Wheeler.

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The above individuals are:

 Moses 3 (Richard 2, John 1)
 Richard Sr. 2 (John 1)
 Richard Jr. 3 (Richard Sr. 2, John 1)

Abraham (4), son of Moses (3), had 11 children at Stow and descendants are living all around me today in Franconia, NH.

Thanks to all for the best some of the best listreading on the Net.

Christopher Brooks

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 23:07:20 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" <[email protected]> Subject: New "Corrections" Web Page

Dear WRG Colleagues,

At the suggestion of Jeanne Muse, I have created a new web page. On it are four corrections to erroneous published sources concerning the WHITNEY family. They are:

   Benjamin WHITNEY, Jr., d. 1713, Watertown
   Samuel WHITNEY, m. 1722, Stratford, Ann LABOREE
   Benjamin WHITNEY, d. 1736, Watertown
   Henry WHITNEY, m. 1769, Watertown, Hannah TOMBS

See the following URL: <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/correct.html> Hopefully these errors will not be propagated any further.

I do not currently intend to include any information about the erroneous ancestry attributed by some sources to Thomas WHITNEY, father of John-1 WHITNEY of Watertown. I might be convinced otherwise.

If you would like to add more corrections, please submit them to me. If you have any comments to make about what I have written there, I would be happy to receive them.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward [email protected] http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 01:55:51 -0400 From: "Debbie J. Stelmach" <[email protected]>

Subject: Thanks for stuffit response To: "Whitney Group" <[email protected]>

Thanks to all my "possible" Whitney cousins for your quick response regarding my problems with stuffit. I've located various forms of it on compuserve. Will experiment with them to see what works.

Thanks again!

Debbie Honolulu looking for ancestors of Charles Whitney b. 1823 MA, d. 1902 Langford, Erie Co, NY. Lived in OH prior to 1864.

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:24:49 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: possible solution to GEDCOM problems...

Hi Larry:

I'm one of those who had a problem with Witney12. I did exactly as you were describing, went into PAF3 and created a new "filename" - then went to Import and called up the gedcom from the AOL25/Download/ sub-directory. It began working, and at least 30 to 40 minutes later I got a beep and an error message, and when I clicked on the OK button in the error message, the Import application stopped. I had something like 7256 individuals in my new "database" - and no marriages. All the parent/child connections were there, but no marriage data whatsoever. I asked Jon for advice, but he just sent me a new copy of 12 - in case there was a stray electron somewhere in the first one I downloaded. Just took that one in last night late, and have not yet tried to convert it to a file. It has exactly the same number of bytes as the first one. I'll wait to see if you have any ideas about this before I try the next conversion. If I get the error message again, would you or any other computer-expert WRG members have any ideas about how to search for the error in the gedcom file, so I could either fix it or cut it out and get the rest of everything?

Genealogy I know something about. Computers are just supposed to sit here and do what I tell them to!!

Allan

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:25:23 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Records for "The Farm"?

Dear WRG:

Just got a post from a fellow NE-Rooter who passed on something that he had found in a NEHGS source - that the portion of Watertown that eventually became Weston was earlier called "The Farm". Would someone who has access to the full printed VRs or Watertown (rather than just to our Whitney extracts) look and see if there is a supplement to these records that covers "The Farm" or any other mentions of it

Thanks.

Allan Words to live by: "Do not argue with a spouse who is packing your parachute."

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