Mailing List Discussions, August 1998
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 14:16:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Barry Whitney <[email protected]> Subject: Fwd: Fw: Genealogy Chuckles To: [email protected]
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:04:50 EDT From: [email protected] ... Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:32:30 -0700 From: Gayle Ellison <[email protected]>
... >[ got this from Doris Stanford ]
> > 15:16, 12 June 2007 (CDT)15:16, 12 June 2007 (CDT)15:16, 12 June 2007 (CDT)15:16, 12 June 2007 (CDT)~ > > MURPHY'S LAW OF GENEALOGY
1. The public ceremony in which your distinguished ancestor participated and at which the platform collapsed under him turned out to be a hanging.
2. When at last after much hard work you have evolved the mystery that you have been working on for two years, your aunt says, "I could have told you that."
3. You search ten years for your grandmother's maiden name to eventually find it on a letter in a box in the attic.
4. You never asked your father about his family when he was alive because you weren't interested in genealogy then.
5. The will you need is in the safe on board the Titanic.
6. Copies of old newspapers have holes occurring only on the surnames.
7. John, son of Thomas the immigrant whom your relatives claim as the family progenitor, died on board ship at the age of 10.
8. Your great grandfather's newspaper obituary states that he died leaving no issue of record.
9. Another genealogist has just insulted the keeper of the vital records you need.
10. The relative who had all the family photographs gave them all to her daughter who has no interest in genealogy and no inclination to share.
11. The only record you find for your great grandfather is that his property was sold at a sheriff's sale of insolvency.
12. The one document that would supply the missing link in your dead end line has been lost due to fire, flood, or war.
13. The town clerk to whom you wrote for the information sends you a long handwritten letter which is totally illegible.
14. The spelling of your European ancestor's name bears no relationship to its current spelling or pronunciation.
15. None of the pictures in your recently deceased grandmother's photo album have names written on them.
16. No one in your family tree ever did anything noteworthy, owned property, was sued or was named in a will.
17. You learn that your great aunt's executor just sold her life's collection of family genealogical materials to a flea market dealer "Somewhere in New York City."
18. Ink fades and paper deteriorates at a rate inversely proportional to the value of the data recorded.
19. The 37 volume, 16,000 page history of your county of origin isn't indexed.
20. You finally find your great grandparents' wedding record and discover that the bride's father was named John Smith.
From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 01:36:45 EDT Subject: Annual Halberts Warning To: [email protected]
Dear WRG:
Particularly for the benefit of some of our newcomers, there is a company that goes by a lot of different names, frequently Halbert's. If you get any letters from Bath, Ohio, that tell you about the "World Book of (fill in any surname), and that you are in it, DON'T BUY IT, it is a rip-off. This company has been the subject of numerous court cases brought by the US Postal Service for false and misleading advertising and improper use of the mails. They are currently under several "cease and desist" orders that are supposed to regulate their advertising and use of the mail, but it never seems to stop them. Their favorite tactic is a letter from someone with the same surname as yours, telling you all about the wonderful new, updated World Book of ______, and that you need to get your order in soon so you won't get left out.
I have recently seen several notes on various maillists that indicated that they are starting again with this years set of mailings, so beware.
Best wishes and Happy Hunting to you all
Allan
From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 02:07:56 EDT Subject: Error in UPTON VR's To: [email protected]
Dear WRG:
I've been working on some of the extended lines down from John-2 Whitney, and have run across what has to be a transcription error in the VR's from Upton, MA.
In the family of Moses-8 (Ephraim-7, Ephraim-6, Nathaniel-5, Nathaniel-4, Nathaniel-3, John -2, John-1, Thomas-0) and Susannah Hall Whitney, the fourth child of that marriage as found in the Upton births is: Mary Hall Whitney, b. 5 Dec 1822.
Later in the Upton VR's, in the deaths is found the following entry: Mary Hall, d. Moses and Susannah, Nov. 24, 1805 [a. 2y. 11m. 20d.]
When I entered this date, I got a big red box on my screen which (properly) pointed out that the death date is before the birth date. I ran the date calculator using the 2y. 11m. 20d added on to the birth date and came up with Nov. 25, 1825 - one day off in the day/month. This would suggest to me that a transcriber (either for the Franklin P. Rice publication series, or one of us a couple of years ago, or even a town clerk in Upton years ago) misread the 1825 date and entered it as 1805.
I'm going to correct it in my copy of the Upton VR's - each of you is, of course, free to accept or reject this interpretation.
I'm having a wonderful summer, keeping cool by staying in a lot and playing with the computer, the internet, and my genealogy projects. With all the additions I am making to the Whitny12 listing as last published by following various lines on down through the VR's my count in that db is pushing 10,500 entries. Whenever it is time to put out the next version (Whitny13), I'll submit my material to Jon and hope that it will prove valuable to some of you. I do use it when I receive queries through the list (or separately, for that matter).
I hope everyone else is doing well, that our southern members are finding some way to keep sane and reasonably cool in this extreme heat, and that the gods of genealogy are smiling upon all of you.
Sincerely,
Allan E. Green
From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 03:11:03 EDT Subject: Another Error in VR's for Upton To: [email protected]
Dear WRG:
I think maybe I've found another error. In the Upton VR's there is a marriage intention listed for Tabitha Whitney of Natick and John Lasure of Upton, dated 20 Mar 1796. In the Natick Vital Records, their marriage (with his name spelled Lessure) is shown as having taken place on 31 Aug 1769, which makes it quite likely that a transcriber (whoever, at which point?) simply transposed the 6 and 9, turning 69 into 96.
I can't remember now who it is who is looking for a Calvin Whitney, and I don't want to take the time to look back through hundreds of printed and electronically saved messages. There is a Calvin born in Upton in Dec. of 1829, but that Calvin died in Sept of 1849, so it probably is of no help.
I have probably added nearly 2000 names to my copy of the db in the last four or five months, so if some of you who are looking for long lost Whitney connections, and who haven't posted your search/query recently, would like to send me a note or a copy of your last query, I'll see if I can find your long lost Whitney among the names I have added.
Happy Hunting!
Allan
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:27:10 -0700 From: Marcia <[email protected]> Subject: Some Whitney material from Ancestry's free Vt. item To: [email protected]
Men of Vermont: An Illustrated Biographical History of Vermonters and Sons of Vermont.
[p.1] BIOGRAPHIES OF VERMONTERS A. D. 1892-93.
Mr. Dillon was married Dec. 15, 1880, to Belle M., daughter of G. M. and
Mary S. (Putnam) Whitney of Middlesex. They have one child living: Grace E. A son, Paul, died Feb. 13, 1890.
--
Men of Vermont: An Illustrated Biographical History of Vermonters and Sons
of Vermont.
[p.1] BIOGRAPHIES OF VERMONTERS A. D. 1892-93.
He wedded, March 26, 1879, Miss Ella F., daughter of David H. and Fidelia
(Thresher) Whitney of Granville. Their marriage has been blessed with three children: Bessie Ethel, Lula Miriam, and Annie Louise.
--
Men of Vermont: An Illustrated Biographical History of Vermonters and Sons of Vermont.
[p.1] BIOGRAPHIES OF VERMONTERS A. D. 1892-93.
Mr. Putnam was united in marriage, October, 1868, to Mary E., daughter of
Abel and Mary Whitney, of Middlesex, who died four years after their union. For his second wife he wedded, Sept. 22, 1874, Jennie, daughter of Medad and Mary Jane (McIntyre) Wright, of Montpelier. Two children have been born to them: Ralph W., and Eula W.
--
Men of Vermont: An Illustrated Biographical History of Vermonters and Sons
of Vermont.
PART III BIOGRAPHIES OF SONS OF VERMONT
Whitney, Henry Douglas, of Bridgeport, Conn., son of Henry and Almira J.
(Bowker) Whitney, was born in Wilmington, Sept. 13, 1866.
Mr. Whitney began the study of law in 1888 in the office of Bates & May of
St. Johnsbury and went to Chattanooga, Tenn., in the fall of 1889, there entering the office of Russell & Daniels, a leading law firm of that city. The following year he was admitted to the bar, and has since pursued an active and successful career. Mr. Whitney's literary abilities and tastes have found expression in a legal work, "Whitney's Land Laws of Tennesee." This work has received the highest endorsement of both bench and bar and has become a standard on the subject of Tennessee land laws.
--
HENRY DOUGLAS WHITNEY.
Men of Vermont: An Illustrated Biographical History of Vermonters and Sons
of Vermont.
PART III BIOGRAPHIES OF SONS OF VERMONT
In politics Mr. Whitney is an independent Democrat, and in religion a free
thinker.
He was married in Wilmington, June 6, 1890, to Kate J., daughter of Judge
George C. and Rebecca Todd Harrison of West Cornwall, Conn. To her large helpfulness and encouragement he owes much of his success. One son, Burke Emerson, born Feb. 1, 1894, has come to their home.
--
Men of Vermont: An Illustrated Biographical History of Vermonters and Sons
of Vermont.
PART III BIOGRAPHIES OF SONS OF VERMONT
Whitney, Samuel Brenton,of Boston, Mass., son of Samuel and Amelia (Hyde)
Whitney, was born in Woodstock, June 4, 1842.
His early education was obtained in the public schools. He afterwards
attended the Vermont Episcopal Institute, studied music first with local teachers, afterwards with Carl Wels and later still with John K. Paine, taking lessons on the organ, pianoforte, composition and instrumentation.
Men of Vermont: An Illustrated Biographical History of Vermonters and Sons
of Vermont.
PART III BIOGRAPHIES OF SONS OF VERMONT page 171 Mr. Whitney has been organist and director of music of Christ Church,
Montpelier; St. Peter's, Albany, N. Y., and St. Paul's Church, Burlington; is at present and has been for the past twenty-two years, organist of the Church of the Advent, Boston, the choir of which church has become quite celebrated under [p.171] his direction. He has frequently been engaged as conductor of choir festival associations in Massachusetts and Vermont; is first vice-president and one of the organ examiners of the American College of Musicians; has written church music quite extensively, also piano and miscellaneous music. He has been conductor of many choral societies in and around Boston, and has the reputation of being very successful in training and developing boys' voices. In this position he has heen identified with liturgical music, vested choirs, and a reverent performance of church music.
The late Dr. J. H. Wilcox once said in this connection, after hearing Mr.
Whitney play a very small organ: "It takes a much more gifted organist to play a small organ than it does to play a large one, where every resource is at hand." Another musical authority in Boston has said: "Mr. Whitney, by his wonderful mastery of the preludes, fugues and toccatas of Bach, most of which are so impressed upon his remarkable memory that he rarely uses notes; by his style so brilliant and pleasing, and his improvisations so solid and rich, has won much credit in and beyond professional
circles." Mr. Whitney was for a time teacher of the organ in the New
England Conservatory of Music. He also established in this institution for the first time, a church music class, in which not only were the vocal pupils taught how to properly interpret sacred music, but the organ pupils as well were instructed as to the management of the organ in church.
Among Mr. Whitney's compositions are a trio for piano and string, many
solos and arrangements for both piano and organ, as well as several church services, Te Deums and miscellaneous anthems and songs, both sacred and secular. Some of Mr. Whitney's organ compositions have been reprinted in England, by London publishers.
From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:52:24 EDT Subject: Some Errors in Lancaster VR's To: [email protected]
Dear WRG:
I found that an error was made in the transcriptions of the Lancaster VR's that I put together with others and sent to those who requested them from me. This was some time ago, just about the time Robert Ward was setting up his web pages and providing the same information in an easier format to get to and use. I had been using my own printouts for everything except the ones that came along later, for which I printed the ones from Robert's site.
I have discovered last night that I (or whoever copied the Lancaster records - it really doesn't matter who) mixed up two lines of type and gave a female child named Lucy the wrong set of parents. So, for those of you who are using the ones you got from me in the text files I sent, you need to correct the entry for the Lucy Whitney, b. 25 Sep 1770. Her parents were not Jonas and Mary Whitney, but they were Caleb and Anes. Her baptism and death confirm this parentage.
I also find another difference that I am not certain which set of VR's is wrong. On my text pages, page two, in the Marriage Intentions from Town Records, the second entry is
p. 30 Danael Whitney, of Stow, and Abigail Ames, Nov. 16, 1744
In the records on Robert's webpage (which I just printed to replace my flawed version) the entry for Danael reads:
Danael, of Stow, and Dorothy Goss of Lancaster, int. Nov 9, 1744. TR1, p30
I suppose it is possible that this Lothario had intents published a week apart with two different ladies, but somehow I doubt it. I think we have another error of some kind in the transcriptions, and I can't find any basis for deciding which is correct (other than Robert's impeccable reputation). I did notice that in the transcriptions that I had distributed, the page numbers for the marriages in the Town Records skipped from 25 to 100, and from the year 1733 to the year 1765, leaving a 32 year gap. OTOH, Robert has intermingled the Intentions with the Marriages, and for Danael has only the intent as well, so there must not have been a town record - or, perhaps the town records for that period were later lost or destroyed. Perhaps someone who has the Xerox's or actual copies of the Lancaster VR Book could check this and let us all know what's "in the book"!
Continuing, I have also found another small error in my text file with respect to the Jon(a.) Whitney who married Mary Wyman. I had just Jon and Robert's listing shows Jona. At this point, I think I want to suggest that those of you still using the file on Lancaster you got from me trash it and print out the ones from the Ward Webpage. I don't want to feel responsible for errors creeping into our collective work.
I hope everyone is healthy, happy, staying cool, and finding ancestors right and left.
Happy Hunting!
Allan
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 20:13:31 From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Some Errors in Lancaster VR's To: [email protected]
At 11:52 PM 8/6/98 EDT, Allan E. Green <[email protected]> wrote: >Dear WRG: > >I found that an error was made in the transcriptions of the Lancaster VR's >that I put together with others and sent to those who requested them from me. >This was some time ago, just about the time Robert Ward was setting up his web >pages and providing the same information in an easier format to get to and >use. I had been using my own printouts for everything except the ones that >came along later, for which I printed the ones from Robert's site. > >I have discovered last night that I (or whoever copied the Lancaster records - >it really doesn't matter who) mixed up two lines of type and gave a female >child named Lucy the wrong set of parents. So, for those of you who are using >the ones you got from me in the text files I sent, you need to correct the >entry for the Lucy Whitney, b. 25 Sep 1770. Her parents were not Jonas and >Mary Whitney, but they were Caleb and Anes. Her baptism and death confirm >this parentage.
On page 109 of the published version, book 1 page 150 of the original, appears: "Lucy Daughter of Caleb and Anes Whetney, born Sepr. 25 1770 and Dyd Feb. ye 7th 1771".
>I also find another difference that I am not certain which set of VR's is >wrong. On my text pages, page two, in the Marriage Intentions from Town >Records, the second entry is > >p. 30 Danael Whitney, of Stow, and Abigail Ames, Nov. 16, 1744 > >In the records on Robert's webpage (which I just printed to replace my flawed >version) the entry for Danael reads: > >Danael, of Stow, and Dorothy Goss of Lancaster, int. Nov 9, 1744. TR1, p30 > >I suppose it is possible that this Lothario had intents published a week apart >with two different ladies, but somehow I doubt it. I think we have another >error of some kind in the transcriptions, and I can't find any basis for >deciding which is correct (other than Robert's impeccable reputation). I did >notice that in the transcriptions that I had distributed, the page numbers for >the marriages in the Town Records skipped from 25 to 100, and from the year >1733 to the year 1765, leaving a 32 year gap. OTOH, Robert has intermingled >the Intentions with the Marriages, and for Danael has only the intent as well, >so there must not have been a town record - or, perhaps the town records for >that period were later lost or destroyed. Perhaps someone who has the Xerox's >or actual copies of the Lancaster VR Book could check this and let us all know >what's "in the book"!
On page 30 of the printed version, book 1 page 18 of the original, appears: "Danael Whitney of Stow Entered His Intentions of marriage with Dorathy Goss of Lancaster Novemr. 9th. 1744. Thomas Kendal Entered His Intentions fo marriage with Abigail Ames Novemr. the 16th, 1744."
Obviously the copyist skipped from one line to the next in midtranscription.
>Continuing, I have also found another small error in my text file with respect >to the Jon(a.) Whitney who married Mary Wyman. I had just Jon and Robert's >listing shows Jona. At this point, I think I want to suggest that those of >you still using the file on Lancaster you got from me trash it and print out >the ones from the Ward Webpage. I don't want to feel responsible for errors >creeping into our collective work.
On page 39 of the printed work, book 1 page 33 of the original, appears: "Jona. Whitney & Mary Wyman both of Lancaster Declar'd their Intentions of Marriage Augt. 20, 1765."
>I hope everyone is healthy, happy, staying cool, and finding ancestors right >and left. > >Happy Hunting! > >Allan
I hope this clears up some of the confusion.
Regards,
Robert
Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 03:35:02 -0400 From: Vickie Elam White <[email protected]> Subject: Some Errors in Lancaster VR's Sender: Vickie Elam White <[email protected]> To: [email protected]
Allen,
<< So, for those of you who are using the ones you got from me in the text files I sent, you need to correct the entry for the Lucy Whitney, b. 25 Sep 1770. Her parents were not Jonas and Mary Whitney, but they were Caleb and Anes. Her baptism and death confirm this parentage. >>
<< Perhaps someone who has the Xerox's or actual copies of the Lancaster VR Book could check this and let us all know what's "in the book"! >>
I have a copy of the Lancaster VRs and confirm what you have (above) for Lucy WHITNEY. The book also says, on the same line, that Lucy died 7 Feb 1771. This is on pg. 109.
<< On my text pages, page two, in the Marriage Intentions from Town
Records, the second entry is
p. 30 Danael Whitney, of Stow, and Abigail Ames, Nov. 16, 1744
In the records on Robert's webpage (which I just printed to replace my flawed version) the entry for Danael reads:
Danael, of Stow, and Dorothy Goss of Lancaster, int. Nov 9, 1744. TR1, p30 >>
Yes, that's what the Lancaster VR book says for Danael and Dorothy. I think this is a simple matter of someone's eyes skipping because on the very next line it says
"Thomas Kendal Entered His Intentions of marriage with Abigail Ames Novembr the 16th, 1744."
<< Continuing, I have also found another small error in my text file with respect to the Jon(a.) Whitney who married Mary Wyman. I had just Jon and Robert's listing shows Jona. >>
Pg. 39 of the Lancaster VRs says Jona, the "a" being a suprascript indicating the name is Jonathan. I agree that it should be written as Jon(a) so that this is obvious.
Hope this helps.
Vickie Elam White [email protected]
From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:59:56 EDT Subject: Does anyone know Luke Whitney To: [email protected]
Dear WRG:
In the Vital Records for Gardner, MA, there is a man named Luke Whitney who marries Cyntha Partridge on June 30 1806. This suggests that he was born somewhere around 1780 - 1785. The index to all the MA Vital Records that I have downloaded and printed from Robert Ward's web site does not provide any clues to his origin, showing only three Lukes, the earliest born in 1793. Therefore, I guess that he must have come from one of the other towns not yet transcribed, or from another state. I checked the CT VR's that appear in the Barbour Index, and find only one Luke, born in 1850, so that's no help, either
I post this note in the faint hope that some of the members of the WRG who have lineages in other New England States (or NY) might have some ideas for me about where this Luke Whitney came from.
Help or suggestions gratefully received.
Allan E. Green
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 03:04:44 -0700 From: Robin Whitney <[email protected]> Organization: @Home Network Subject: Re: WHITNEY, Luther Henry References: <[email protected]> To: [email protected]
Searcing for info on my Luther Henry WHITNEY, b C. 1849 in New York or Canady? (interpreted as Canada). Two census records and family history say New York and one says C-A-N-A-D-Y, (clearly a "Y").
Family story is Luther left home at a young age and ended up in Missouri after his mother died and father remarried almost immediatly (too soon for his liking). Refused to talk about his family, even to his wife who died knowing only that he was supposedly born in New York. Help?
Luther died in 1912 in Grundy Co., MO. He married Florence Mae GIBEAUT of Ohio.
Robin
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 10:28:43 From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Benjamin and Sarah(Whitney) Wilson To: [email protected]
At 11:36 AM 2/9/98 -0500, [email protected] (Janice Whitaker) wrote: >Dear WRG's, > Last Oct. a question was posed by Jean Muse regarding some >information I submitted to the most recent Gedcom. She had a valid basis >for disputing my belief that Benjamin Wilson married Sarah Whitney d/o >John and Rebeckah in Groton MA 26 Nov 1747. She had documentation from >NEHG Register, and F.C.Pierce stating that the wife of Benjamin Wilson, >named Sarah Whitney was the d/o Cornelius Whitney and Sarah Shepard. > I have researched the vital records of all families involved,in the >towns of MA surrounding birthplaces and marriages mentioned(which would >allow for the ever changing boundaries of the early settlements and >towns). I also consulted "Wilsons From New England" Vol. J, Descendants of >John Wilson of Woburn Massachusetts, by Ken Stevens. My conclusion is >that the best available evidence supports Jean's contention that Sarah d/o >Cornelius Whitney was the wife of Benjamin Wilson, and not Sarah d/o John >Whitney. [SNIP] > John Whitney Jr. married first, Hannah Sawtell in 1759 and then upon >her death, married Elizabeth Sawtell. Hezekiah and Joanna(Wilson) Sawtell >had a daughter Hannah,b. 1730 and a daughter Elizabeth, b.1739. It >appears likely that we have another connection between the Wilson and John >& Rebeckah Whitney family here. If anyone would like to pursue that, I >welcome help here. Stevens gives his source for Sawtells as:"Genalogy of >American Families, mss." at NEHGS, Boston
John WHITNEY, Jr., married first, 26 Feb 1759, Hannah SAWTELL, who was indeed the daughter of Hezekiah and Joanna (WILSON) SAWTELL, b. 11 Oct 1730, but his second wife Elizabeth SAWTELL, whom he married 15 Apr 1762, was daughter of David and Elizabeth (KEYES) SAWTELL, b. 12 Jul 1737. Of course this still is a connection between the two families. According to the theory to which you do not subscribe, John WHITNEY, Jr., and his sister Sarah WHITNEY married first cousins Hannah SAWTELL and Benjamin WILSON.
> In regard to naming patterns,I was able to connect several of the >children (those recorded in Townsend's VR's ) with one or both families of >Benjamin Wilson and Sarah Whitney d/o Cornelius, with the exception of >Lucy and Reuben and Beulah. These three do not appear in either >families[one exception is Beulah, granddaughter of James Wilson(James, >John) some distant in relationship and locale from this >family),BUT---Sarah d/o of John had only one sister and her name was >Beulah!
The fact that three of the WILSON children were John, Rebeckah, and Beulah, and none of the children or grandchildren was named Cornelius is strong onomastic evidence in my estimation.
> Benjamin Wilson was married three times. First to Ruth Bush of >Groton, 18 Sep 1738. They had four children: Ruth b. 14 Jan 1738/9; >Benjamin b. 26 Dec 1740; Elizabeth(Betsey, b. 3 Feb 1742,died 1743; Susan >b.26 Oct 1744, "probably died young, her mother died nine days after her >birth". So Benjamin was left with a daughter 6, son 4 and an infant >daughter, but it is curious that he did not remarry until three years >later, and his bride was only 15 years and 5 months old.[Sarah d/o John >Whitney would have been 20 then]
The tender age of Sarah, daughter of Cornelius, compared to that of the widower Benjamin WILSON, is also evidence against this marriage. Support for this alleged marriage must be presented in the form of primary documentation.
> Stevens source for the next marriage is F.C.Pierce, "The Descendants >of John Whitney". Benjamin married Sarah Whitney on 26 Nov.1747, making >his wife the stepmother of his daughter only 6 years younger! It was soon >after this marriage that Benjamin moved to Townsend. Although Stevens >states that all the births of their children are recorded at Townsend, I >was unable to find the first two: Oliver b 27 Mar 1749 and Ephraim b. ca >1750. The remaining children are recorded there as:Lucy b. ca 1752; Beulah >b. 24 Feb 1753; Rebecca, b. 31 Mar 1756; Joseph b. 22 Sep 1759; John b. 16 >Oct 1761; Sarah b. 23 Sep 1764; Mary b. 11 Oct 1766; Reuben b. 4 July >1769. When Sarah died 17 May 1771, Benjamin wrote a grieving letter to >sons Oliver and Ephraim, then in he Winslow area of Maine, telling them of >the hardship endured by their motherless younger brothers and sisters. >Benjamin married third, Bathsheba Patts of Townshend, 20 Aug 1772. (I gave >info on her previously).
Thanks for supplying this data about Benjamin and his wives and children.
> Finally, I had encountered Rev Obed Wilson's "record-keeping" in the >Bingham, ME area previous to this encounter with the NEHGS documentation. >I believe him to be the family source of the information passed down, >concerning his father, grandparents and ancestry. I had not viewed his >records as reliable, until I recently found a source that gives him some >valuable support. Strangely, it is the book by S. H. Whitney [Seth >Harding] " The Kennebec Valley" page104-106! I still have a problem with >the fact that the birth of his own father, Oliver Wilson, apparent eldest >child/son of Benjamin and Sarah is not recorded in Townsend or in any of >the adjoining communities. Frank Wilson claims[in the NEHGS source] that >Oliver was born in Townsend, but I could not locate it. Stevens states >that his birth is recorded in Townsend, and his source for all the >descendents of Benjamin and Sarah is "the five volume manuscript compiled >by the late Margaret Alice Wilson(Jop-153) of Chicago which, after her >death was typed and deposited with the Allen County Public Library in Fort >Wayne, Indiana." I'm not in a location convenient to that source.
Frank Wilson's article from the NEHGR does not say that the WHITNEY information came from Rev. Obed WILSON himself. I believe that it was supplied by Frank Wilson, and that his source was F. C. Pierce's _Whitney Genealogy_. Probably S. H. Whitney and Margaret Alice Wilson also relied on Pierce. Explicitly Ken Stevens also relied on that source. The fact that these references "support" each other is an illusion. They all depend on one rather unreliable source. That source a frail reed on which to lean, as we have discovered multiple times! Once a statement is made in one of these old genealogical works, no matter how unreliable, it gets repeated again and again in other secondary sources. That is why I want primary sources to document as much of the WHITNEY family tree as possible.
The "best available evidence" (documentary) then boils down to Pierce. The remainder of the evidence (geographical proximity, other family connections, onomastics, chronology) support the alternate theory.
Regards,
Robert
Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
Sender: [email protected] From: "Jeanne W. Muse" <[email protected]> Subject: Levi Whitney Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:46:43 -0400 To: [email protected]
Hello everyone! I have returned from a short break away and am attempting to catch up with over 85 e-mail messages that came in my absence.
Below is a message I received from a woman named Liz, who generously contributed information for our Henry Whitney of L.I. and Ct. database. The below data gives us descendants for:
LEVI-6 WHITNEY (Benjamin-5, John-4, Henry-3, John-2, Henry-1)
Enjoy!
- -) Jeanne Muse
Forwarded Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 7:06 PM Subject: WHITNEY
>i have additional information for you and i do not know how to creat a web
>site from my geneology program...i have over 1500 people and prob 950 are
>related to the WHITNEY's...we have a WHITNEY/CATLOW reunion every
year...some
>additions for your web page:
>
>Levi WHITNEY b 1790 Otsego, NewYork, Married 23 Mar 1814 to Permelia Chase
>died 10-5-1855 buried Evergreen Cemetary, Barrington, Cook, Illinois
>
>Permelia Chase b 6-29-1795 died 1-13-1882 in Lake Zurich, Lake, Illinois
also
>buried at Evergreen Cemetary in Barrington, Cook Illinois
>
>12 children:
>Achen?Achier b 02 22 1815 died 02 22 1815
>Harlow b 06 07 1816 married Bathia ?
>Sarah b 03 26 1818
>Mary Ann b 05 29 1820
>Chansey b 11 05 1822 dued 09 22 1823
>John b 09 16 1824 died 09 16 1824
>Bennujah b 02 16 1826 died 02 16 1826
>Benjamin b 05 19 1828 married Louisa ?
>Diantha b 12 02 1829 married John ROLPH
>Joseph Chase b 06 08 1833 mexico, oswego new york married Mary Jane Delano
12
>08 1860 died 02 12 1914 buried barrington cook illins evergreen cemetary
>Calfurnia b 08 01 1836 married John Soules
>Adelia b 05 05 18died 06 20 1838
>
>Joseph Chase WHITNEY b 06 08 1833 in Mexico Oswego NewYork died 2-12-1914
>Lake Zurich, Lake, Illinois, burried Evergreen Cem., Barrington, Cook,
>Illinois Married 12-8-1860 Barrington, Cook, Illinois to Mary Jane Delano b
>9-20-1842 in Parish Oswego New York died 7-11-1914 in Lake Zurich, Lake,
>illinois buried 7-14-1914 also at evergreen cem., Barrington, Cook,
Illinois
>had 6 children:
>
>Clarissa Permelia b 03 02 1862
>Lillian May b 05 07 1867
>cora belle 02 24 1869
>mary etta "May" 11 07 1870
>Lydia 09 10 1872
>edith 03 09 1877
>all children born Lake Zurich, Lake, Illinois
>
>Clarissa Permelia is my great grandmother married Joseph Goodman CATLOW on
>1-28-1891 she died 3-14-1925 buried at evergreen cem. Barrington, Cook,
>Illinois...I would like to get more information on the earlier whitneys...i
am
>still serching the whitney discussion group web page...as soon as someone
>shows me how to link up my web page to be created and i'll be more than
happy
>to link into yours...any other information you may be looking for please
let
>me know... i may have information for you liz
>
Sender: [email protected] From: "Jeanne W. Muse" <[email protected]> Subject: Fw: Whitney/Snyder Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:10:45 -0400 To: [email protected]
Hello again WRG! The below is from another e-mail correspondent, Nina Wolfe, who has sent me information on more descendants of John Whitney and Elinor.
This line pertains to: REBECCA-8 WHITNEY (John-7, Nathan-6, David-5, Nathan-4, Nathaniel-3, Benjamin-2, John-1), daughter of REV. JOHN WHITNEY and SARAH HENSEL.
Rebecca Whitney (I had previously spelled her name RAbecca) married ANDREW SNYDER.
Write directly to Nina Wolfe < [email protected] > if you have any questions. Hope this helps someone!
- -) Jeanne
Forwarded Message-----
From: Wolfe Family <[email protected]> To: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 10:38 PM Subject: Re: Whitney/Snyder
>>
>> Well, I've found a few minutes and will send youwhat I can at this
>> time. Leslie Wright of Forsyth, Mo. send me this info. Andrew's
>> tombstone reads as follows:
>
>Grandfather
>Andrew Snyder
>Born Feb. 5 1816
>Died 1888
>Born
>New Berger, Germany (which we are sure is Neuberg)
>Bavaria Posen
>God is Love
>Leslie is the granddaughter of Andrew and her father was Martin Thomas
>Van Buren Bowman Snyder and she says he always said they came from a
>town in Germany called Neuberg that was 30 miles from Munich. She also
>assumes that they were not Catholics as Calvin is a name of their son,
>in fact my great grandfather is son Calvin Andrew Snyder. So, searching
>Catholic records doesn't help much. Anyway, my mother has Calvin
>Andrew's bible in which he wrote that they were from Bavaria and that
>Andrew's mother and father were Nicholas and Barbara Snyder. They came
>over with 3 daughters and one son. Only one daughter has been
>identified: Margaret, she married a John Jacob Dornbusch and in a
>published history of Wheeling, Ohio, West Virginia in a personal
>history; she says she was born in Glisenbarsh, Germany, 20 Aug. 1813.
>Nicholas and Barbara are thought to have immigrated to Wheeling and died
>there in 1839. This has not been documented thoroughly. The info I
>have on Andrew's family is as follows:
>Andrew b 5 Feb 1818, Neuberg, Germany, d 7 Apr 1888 Flora, Clay, Ill
>married Jan 1846 to
>Rebecca Whitney b 12 June 1827, d 20 June 1909 in Flora(John Whitney,
>Sarah Hensel)
>children:
>Margaret Jane b 1847 married a Benjamin Chaney
>Hannah M. b 1848
>Mariah (Sarah) b 1849
>John Nicholas b 28 Mar 1851 in Wheeling, WV
>Josephus Lee b 1853
>Calvin Andrew b 13 Jan 1854 in Marion, Marion, Ohio; married Florence
>May Eaton
>Ann Eliza b 1858
>Martin Thomas Van Buren Bowman b 14 Mar 1860, Hills, Monroe, Ohio,
>married Trophie Jane
> Amerman
>Rhoda Luella b 1862
>Daisy Emmaline married a Hodges
>Violet married a Wilson
>
>Leslie said the reason the Snyders came to America was to prevent
>Andrew's forced induction into the German army. She also says he
>attended school in Baltimore and learned to speak flawless English.. I
>just caught that as I reread one of her letters. Hmm, wonder if there
>might be some school records that far back. Well, hope this gives you
>some info. There is lots and lots on the Whitneys but the Snyders has
>been slow picking. I am so grateful for Leslie she has been a great
>correspondent. If you have other questions please ask. for now, Nina
Sender: [email protected]
From: "Jeanne W. Muse" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know Luke Whitney
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:42:59 -0400
To: [email protected]
Allan and WRG: My database contains a bit about LUKE WHITNEY and CYNTHIA PARTRIDGE.
I have (according to Pierce p144) that Luke was the son of WILLIAM WHITNEY and MARY MANSFIELD, born 21 May 1783. This would make him: LUKE-7 WHITNEY (William-6, William-5, William-4, Nathaniel-3, John-2, John-1). Pierce did not give a marriage date for Luke and Cynthia, and I have no children listed in my database.
- -) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse
Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, August 08, 1998 6:03 PM Subject: Does anyone know Luke Whitney
>Dear WRG:
>
>In the Vital Records for Gardner, MA, there is a man named Luke Whitney who
>marries Cyntha Partridge on June 30 1806. This suggests that he was born
>somewhere around 1780 - 1785. The index to all the MA Vital Records that I
>have downloaded and printed from Robert Ward's web site does not provide
any
>clues to his origin, showing only three Lukes, the earliest born in 1793.
>Therefore, I guess that he must have come from one of the other towns not
yet
>transcribed, or from another state. I checked the CT VR's that appear in
the
>Barbour Index, and find only one Luke, born in 1850, so that's no help,
either
>
>I post this note in the faint hope that some of the members of the WRG who
>have lineages in other New England States (or NY) might have some ideas for
me
>about where this Luke Whitney came from.
>
>Help or suggestions gratefully received.
>
>Allan E. Green
>
>
Sender: [email protected] From: "Jeanne W. Muse" <[email protected]> Subject: 1850 Census Records Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:36:41 -0400 To: [email protected]
Thought some of you might find this page on 1850 Census Records valuable. Enjoy!
- -) Jeanne
Original Message-----
From: Mary Brooks <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 10:48 PM Subject: Add A Link
>Hello,
> Will you post a link to my web pages "1850 Census Records" on your
>web page. These books are transcribed with indexes from the 1850 Census
>Records and are in soft-book form. I would appreciate it so much.
>http://www.angelfire.com/tx/1850censusrecords
>
>Thanks again,
>Mary Brooks
>http://www.angelfire.com/tx/1850censusrecords/godmountaintopvision.html
>http://www.angelfire.com/tx/1850censusrecords/laweddings.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:11:33 From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Award for Website To: [email protected]
Dear WRG,
It is with pride I announce that the WHITNEY Family Genealogy website has won a gold award from Chris Swensen-Hartie, owner of the White-Jones Genealogy website. It's very pretty, and can be viewed at:
<http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/awards.html>
Chris had some very complimentary things to say. I'm blushing, in case you couldn't tell.
Regards,
Robert
Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:35:59 -0400 From: Vickie Elam White <[email protected]> Subject: Award for Website Sender: Vickie Elam White <[email protected]> To: [email protected]
Robert,
Congratulations on the award!! You have worked so hard on our behalf, and I thank you for it.
Vickie Elam White [email protected]
From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:53:04 EDT Subject: Web-site Award To: [email protected]
Dear Robert:
CONGRATULATIONS!!! The site is most deserving, and I know we are all very proud to see that it gets the credit and the recognition.
Allan
From: "Linda Pennington" <[email protected]> Subject: Web site Award Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:02:55 -0500 To: [email protected]
Congratulations! This award is well deserved. Linda Pennington
Sender: [email protected] From: "Jeanne W. Muse" <[email protected]> Subject: New England Genealogy Collections Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:54:51 -0400 To: [email protected]
Hello WRG: I found a file on CompuServe recently that lists "New England Genealogy Collections Outside of New England". A web page has been designed with the same exact information. Thought some of you might like to have a look. Point your browser to:
http://home.att.net/~SGTAYLOR1/NECollections.html
- -) Jeanne
From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:57:10 EDT Subject: Letters to Genealogical Newspaper Columns To: [email protected]
Dear WRG:
I just picked up on something that Larry V. Stephens (whom some of you will remember from Maiser days) sent to subscribers to his various lists. In it was a fairly long, and somewhat complex letter from a person with the Mobile (AL) Genealogical Society, noting that there are often materials that are not availble through electronic research, AND that there are lots of people out there with good answers that don't use computers. Thus, it is sometimes very beneficial to follow some older, yet still effective, methods.
To this end, the Mobile Genealogical Society is sponsoring on their web site a page that provides names, addresses, newspaper coverage areas, etc. for the dozens and dozens of Genealogical columns that appear with regularity in this country and abroad. It also includes some "rules" for submitting queries to these sources, and a request to provide them with the names and locations of additional columns in Newspapers that are not currently covered in their list. This latter, too, has certain guidelines to be followed in submitting material to add to their page.
If anyone is interested in seeing what is available, you can find the site at the following URL:
http://www.siteone.com/clubs/mgs
and when you get to their Cyber Lobby, scroll down to The News Stand and click on the link. I checked the site out, and it works. There are a couple for Maine, but none for MA. I hope this tip and the site it mentions results in helping a Whitney researcher.
Again, congratulations to Robert Ward for winning an award with his Whitney web site.
Happy Hunting:
Allan
Sender: [email protected] From: "Jeanne W. Muse" <[email protected]>
Subject: Fw: Moses Whitney/Lydia A Whitney Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:19:02 -0400 To: [email protected]
Hello WRG: This morning a message came in from someone researching a LYDIA WHITNEY. If anyone sees any connections to Sheila's line (or the other Lydia Whitney who married Moses), please let her know.
Thanks to all!
- -) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse
Original Message-----
From: sheila peel <[email protected]> To: Jeanne W. Muse <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 7:56 PM Subject: Moses Whitney/Lydia A Whitney
>Jeanne,
>Hi, Sheila Stratton-Peel here. When I was in my hometown a few months ago,
>I came across a gravestone in the cemetery for Lydia A Whitney, b. 2/3/1777
>Shelburne, MA d. 12/17/1860 in Penn Yan, NY. She was the wife of Moses
>Whitney. I am from the smallest county in New York State, Yates County.
>When I came across this, I was looking for another Lydia A Whitney, My
great
>grandmother. She had been married to my great grandfather Perry B
Stratton,
>who after he passed on she married Charles Whitney. She died 6/8/1910 in
>Penn Yan, NY. He I beleive(Charles) died at the Soldiers Home in Bath, NY
>(Steuben Co.) on 1/23/1916. The article from the Chronicle Express from
>Penn Yan, states" At the Soldiers Home in Bath, NY January 23/1918, Charles
>M Whitney of Penn Yan. Burial in the cemetery at the home. He was a
civil
>war veteran, having served with Company F, 98th NY Infantry and Company I,
>15th Engineers." The line that I am tracing for Whitney is from my
>grandmother Grace Mabel Mae Whitney, I have found all of the generations
>for them. Her father was James Lewis Whitney from Caton, NY (Steuben Co.).
>I was so surprised to find this other Lydia. Any thoughts? Sheila
>[email protected]
>
>
From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:03:36 EDT Subject: Lyndia WHITNEY To: [email protected]
we have a Lydia, daughter of Benjamin WHITNEY and Ann Mercy HARRIS, Lydia was b. 1-5-1798 is Otsego, NY married George Washington FINNEY 9-12-1822,
another Lydia WHITNEY daughter of Joseph Chase WHITNEY and Mary Jane DELANO born 9-10-1872 in Lake Zurich, Lake Cty, Illinois married James SNETSINGER 2-22-1892 and died 12-22-1932 barried at Evergreen Cemetery in Barrington, Cook Cty, Illinois, they had two children
hope this was helpful...happy researching and God Bless...Liz
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:04:14 -0700 From: Marion Walter <[email protected]> Subject: Joseph WHITNEY and Anna Eames To: [email protected]
Seeking information on Joseph Whitney who married Anna Eames. They are supposed to be the parents of Capt Parley Whitney who d. 14 June 1818 in his 33rd year and Adah Whitney who married Robert Chittenden and d. 14 Feb 1865 at age 77yrs 9 mos. Parley and Adah are buried in the Lee-Oatman Cemetery in South Granville, NY.
Marion Walter [email protected]
From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:26:15 -0400 Subject: Still looking for Carleton... To: [email protected]
Boy, this one has me stuck. I suspect I'll have something to add to the Whitney database that is currently unknown if I can find my ggrandfather's parents. Carleton Delano Whitney born about 1889 in VT (maybe even along the upsate NY border?) Married Eva Fletcher Chapin about 1907 (If I connect with anyone I have completed my trace on the Chapin line.). First daughter Harriet was born 1908, 2nd daughter Lottie Loise born Aug 1910 in Chittenden. He was not in the Vt Vital record index and I have no access to a similar index for NY state. If someone does and can check on him, I'd appreciate it. Thanks -Denise Cross
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:55:31 EDT
Subject: Fwd: Whitney
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Dear WRG;
I was sent this from someone looking into their background so I thought I'd try sending it long to see if someone else can help out. Ken
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From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Whitney Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:02:38 EDT
I know that in the past, I have been told that my grandmother was a decedent of Eli Whitney. The way I always heard it was that Eli's mother was a slave on the Whitney Plantation and Mr. Whitney got her pregnant. He put Eli through school and we know the rest about him. If you can help me with this, it would be great. Dorothy did marry George Roger Easter of Canada. I do believe that they were married in Dorchester Mass. Any other information would be great. Thanks
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Sender: [email protected] From: "Jeanne W. Muse" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Joseph WHITNEY and Anna Eames Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:27:17 -0400 To: [email protected]
Marion Walter <[email protected]> wrote on 8/13/98:
>>Seeking information on Joseph Whitney who married Anna Eames. They are supposed to be the parents of Capt Parley Whitney who d. 14 June 1818 in his 33rd year and Adah Whitney who married Robert Chittenden and d. 14 Feb 1865 at age 77yrs 9 mos. Parley and Adah are buried in the Lee-Oatman Cemetery in South Granville, NY.<<
Marion: I have this man as Joseph-5 Whitney (Joshua-4, Cornelius-3, Joshua-2, John-1), born 1753 married on 16 Dec 1784 in Putnam, Windham County, Connecticut, Anna Ames/Eames.
My notes state: "Revolutionary War soldier from Hancock, Berkshire County, Mass., in 1777, age 24. GenServ submission by Tom Beers <[email protected]>. Tom has done extensive research in the Hancock, Mass. area and examined the limited records for this period of time there."
As far as I know, we do not have descendants of Joseph Whitney and Anna Ames/Eames in our database. Does anyone else have more information on this couple?
- -) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse
[email protected] My Whitney Family Genealogy Pages: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jwmuse/whitney.htm
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 05:27:48 -0700
From: Colleen Knights <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Joseph WHITNEY and Anna Eames
References: <001301bdc701$27c5a180$70f8aec7@jeanne-muse>
To: [email protected]
Jeanne, Marion and all, June 24th there was a message posted to the list from Vee Housman ([email protected]) thanking Robert for providing information about this couple. She had posted on behalf of a friend named Alan. Based on this enthusiastic response, I would guess that he is a descendant of Joseph and would have more info to offer the list. You may want to contact her.
Colleen Knights Jeanne W. Muse wrote: > > Marion Walter <[email protected]> wrote on 8/13/98: > > >>Seeking information on Joseph Whitney who married Anna Eames. They are > supposed to be the parents of Capt Parley Whitney who d. 14 June 1818 in his > 33rd year and Adah Whitney who married Robert Chittenden and d. 14 Feb 1865 > at age 77yrs 9 mos. Parley and Adah are buried in the Lee-Oatman Cemetery > in South Granville, NY.<< > > Marion: I have this man as Joseph-5 Whitney (Joshua-4, Cornelius-3, > Joshua-2, John-1), born 1753 married on 16 Dec 1784 in Putnam, Windham > County, Connecticut, Anna Ames/Eames. > > My notes state: "Revolutionary War soldier from Hancock, Berkshire County, > Mass., in 1777, age 24. GenServ submission by Tom Beers > <[email protected]>. Tom has done extensive research in the Hancock, Mass. > area and examined the limited records for this period of time there." > > As far as I know, we do not have descendants of Joseph Whitney and Anna > Ames/Eames in our database. Does anyone else have more information on this > couple? > > ;-) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse > [email protected] > My Whitney Family Genealogy Pages: > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jwmuse/whitney.htm
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:58:11 -0800 From: Debi Benell <[email protected]>
Subject: Josiah D Whitney, geologist To: [email protected]
Hello fellow researchers,
It would appear as though my mother has been "holding out" on me with our Whitney ancestors.
In an attempt to find out more info about our ancestor, Josiah D. Whitney, b. 1819, d. 1896, I took up Jan Whitaker's advice and looked at the MAINCAT site. In my search I found a Josiah Dwight Whitney, geologist, born 1819 and died 1896.
Thinking that this might be the same Josiah as my own, I sent an email to mom who thus informed me "yes, it's probably the same guy.... Mt. Whitney was named after him (meaning our ancestor)." So i did a search for Mt.Whitney, and found a photo of Josiah Dwight.
Now comes the frustrating part. I need to verify this. I looked at the Whitney database and found Josiah with birth date, but his wife, cannot possibly be the mother of my Caroline M. Whitney, daughter of Josiah D., because their marriage date is AFTER caroline's birth date, and they have no listed children. Of course, could it not be possible that the wife mentioned, a Louisa Goddard, was a second wife??
And now my request for help -- could anyone researching Josiah Dwight Whitney and his ancestors contact me. I am interested in following this lead. Some more particulars on my family are as follows:
Josiah D. Whitney b. 1819 d. 1896 m. ???? .....Caroline M. Whitney .....b. 19 June 1845 in ME .....d. 21 Oct 1915 in CA .....m. Thomas Horrell ..........b. 2 July 1836 in ME ..........d. 21 Oct 1888 in CA
My mother also mentioned a James Whitney, who is either a son or nephew or something of Josiah's who was also a geologist.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Debi Benell
- Researching: Benell, Boone, Aull, LeGate, Daane, Garbani, Gideon,
Leathern, Tack, Hochstetler, Horrell, Nelson, Cordner, Coodey/Cudahy, Tobin, Whitney and many many more! email: [email protected] or [email protected]
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:05:10
From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif">
Subject: Re: MA Town/County List
To: [email protected]
At 01:24 AM 3/7/98 EST, Allan Green wrote: >I found a good bit of this on a web site at > >http://www.texhoma.net/~lrsears/matowns.html > >where it seemed intended to serve as access to real estate listings and ads. > >I copied the information, reformatted it into two columns, using Word Perfect. >If you think it appropriate, it might be a useful tool for your website. I so >often find myself with a magnifying glass, trying to read the tiny index in my >Rand McNally, find the town on the grid and then hunt for the county lines to >try to be certain in which county a given town is located. Thus, I have been >looking for just such a list, even though I know it is not complete. As best >I can tell, the really tiny towns are not here, but most of those with any >significant population are. > >Hope you think it is useful.
I found another list which I find even more useful. It was compiled by John Chandler. I have now posted it to the WHITNEY Family Genealogy website:
<http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/mass/towns.html>
It was so long that I had to break it up by county. It is linked from the Massachusetts WHITNEY Vital Records page.
I hope that all the researchers with Massachusetts ancestry find it as worthwhile to consult as I do.
Regards,
Robert
Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:05:00 From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Josiah D Whitney, geologist To: [email protected]
At 11:58 AM 8/14/98 -0800, Debi Benell wrote: >Hello fellow researchers, > >It would appear as though my mother has been "holding out" on me with our >Whitney ancestors. > >In an attempt to find out more info about our ancestor, Josiah D. Whitney, >b. 1819, d. 1896, I took up Jan Whitaker's advice and looked at the MAINCAT >site. In my search I found a Josiah Dwight Whitney, geologist, born 1819 >and died 1896. > >Thinking that this might be the same Josiah as my own, I sent an email to >mom who thus informed me "yes, it's probably the same guy.... Mt. Whitney >was named after him (meaning our ancestor)." So i did a search for >Mt.Whitney, and found a photo of Josiah Dwight. > >Now comes the frustrating part. I need to verify this. I looked at the >Whitney database and found Josiah with birth date, but his wife, cannot >possibly be the mother of my Caroline M. Whitney, daughter of Josiah D., >because their marriage date is AFTER caroline's birth date, and they have >no listed children. Of course, could it not be possible that the wife >mentioned, a Louisa Goddard, was a second wife?? > >And now my request for help -- could anyone researching Josiah Dwight >Whitney and his ancestors contact me. I am interested in following this >lead. Some more particulars on my family are as follows: > >Josiah D. Whitney >b. 1819 >d. 1896 >m. ???? >.....Caroline M. Whitney >.....b. 19 June 1845 in ME >.....d. 21 Oct 1915 in CA >.....m. Thomas Horrell >..........b. 2 July 1836 in ME >..........d. 21 Oct 1888 in CA > >My mother also mentioned a James Whitney, who is either a son or nephew or >something of Josiah's who was also a geologist. > >Thanks in advance for your help! > >Debi Benell > > > > >*Researching: Benell, Boone, Aull, LeGate, Daane, Garbani, Gideon, >Leathern, Tack, Hochstetler, Horrell, Nelson, Cordner, Coodey/Cudahy, >Tobin, Whitney and many many more! >email: [email protected] or [email protected]
I recommend you ask one of those with a copy of Pierce's _Whitney Genealogy_ to look up Josiah Dwight-8 WHITNEY, Jr. (Josiah Dwight-7, Abel-6, Aaron-5, Moses-4, Moses-3, Richard-2, John-1), b. 1819. See the following URL: <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/mass/towns.html>.
Another line of inquiry is to find a book of biographies of Yale Alumni. He was a member of the Class of 1839. You could also try a copy of _Who Was Who_, or the _Dictionary of American Biography_, or _American Men of Science_, etc.
Another approach is to look him up in the 1850 Census. He was living in Northampton, Hampshire County, MA, and appears on page 96 of that census. If he had a daugbter born in 1845, she would be a five-year-old in his family. The fact that your Caroline was born in Maine is not a good sign! There were two other Josiah WHITNEY individuals living in Maine in 1850, one in Holden Plantation, Moose River, Somerset Co. (p. 272), and one in Jonesboro, Washington Co. (p. 14). There were various other Josiah WHITNEY individuals in other states.
Whatever you find, please share your data with the mailing list!
Regards,
Robert
Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:03:31 EDT Subject: Re: Whitney To: [email protected]
Dear Mr/Ms "Driver":
I'm sorry to have to tell you that the tale you have been told is just not the case. If you will go to the World Wide Web, to the Whitney Family Genealogy Page maintained by Robert Ward of the Whitney Research Group, you will find a complete and accurate genealogy for Eli Whitney, the inventor of the Cotton Gin. In addition, you will find several small articles about the invention and its effect on the economy of the agricultural South.
You can find this article and genealogy information at:
http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/
Look down the list of "pages" on the site, and just below Whitney Queries and Whitney Biography, you will find a link to a page for Eli-7 Whitney, on which you will find the material I mentioned above.
If we of the Whitney Research Group can assist you in tracing your Whitney ancestry, you would be welcome to join us by subscribing to the Whitney maillist, directions to which are to be found at the top of the Index page for this website.
Sincerly,
Allan E. Green
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:36:46 -0700 From: Marcia <[email protected]> Subject: An Iowa family To: [email protected]
While searching for my own family groups in the census I came across this one--don't know where they tie in to mine, but perhaps the information will be useful to someone else:
Grinnell, Poweshiek Co., IA 1860 cs.: Norman Whitney, 32, b. VT Ann A. 27, MA Julia A. 5, OH Abby C. 3, IA Chas. Jos. ll/12, IA
From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:35:54 EDT Subject: Re: Another Iowa family Whitney To: [email protected]
Do you have connections in Iowa?
I have Whitneys in Iowa. The older ones were b. Michigan. The family
moved to Iowa about 1856.
(Daniel R. Whitney b.1822 Ohio(NY) and Isapheny Dow b. 1827 Ky
had seven sons(who lived to adults)------------------------- Adebbert Whitney b.1848 Mi sp. Ella Collins child Frank Whitney Oren Whitney 1854 Millard Whitney 1856 Jessie B. Whitney b. 1863 Ia Cassius Henry Whitney b. 1865 in Ia
SP Hattie Record b, Del
Ernest Whitney b, 1868 Ia Marion Whitney b. Ia They had one daughter (my grandmother) Rosina Whitney b. 1851 in MI
sp. John Newton Crowder b. 1851 Marshall Co, Iowa
They had 7 children all b. Iowa.
This article is longer than I remembered: but tells of the family and two of
my great uncles and mentions my ggrandfather. I have deleted some parts.
<<<FRom [p.147] PROGRESSIVE MEN OF IOWA. (free database-Ancestry on the web)) Whitney, Cassius Henry,of Harlan, county attorney of Shelby county, is a promising young lawyer. His father, Daniel R. Whitney, a farmer of Scotch descent, was born in Ohio July 16, 1822. He was married February 25, 1847, at Rives, Mich., to Isypheny Dow, who was of Dutch descent, and was born November 6, 1827, in Garrard county, Ky. To them ten children were born, and eight are now living–seven sons and a daughter, of whom Cassius H. is the youngest, save one. D. R. Whitney was an early settler in Iowa, coming with his family to Marshalltown in 1857, where he was engaged in freighting, or hauling goods from Iowa City, the nearest railway station, to Marshalltown, Fort Dodge, Webster City, and other pioneer towns. After a few years the family moved onto a farm near Le Grand, in Marshall county.
Here C. H. Whitney was born, June 8, 1865. He was brought up on the
farm, and secured his early education at the country school, ...........>>>
<<In March, 1876, he moved with his parents to Shelby county, which was
then but sparsely settled. They lived at first in a log house on a rented farm, but soon purchased a farm of 240 acres.........>> In November (1884) of that year he began teaching, and in this he continued alternately with farming until early in the spring of 1888, when he entered Western Normal college at Shenandoah.................graduated in July, 1889. During the following year he again taught school, and read law under the direction of his brother, Jesse B. (WHITNEY), a graduate of the law department of the State university, who was at that
time serving his second term as county attorney. Cassius H. was admitted in September, 1890, to senior standing in the law
department of the
State university, from which he graduated the following June. He entered into
partnership, August 5, 1891, with his brother and former
instructor, with whom he is still associated, under the firm name of Whitney
Brothers.
.........>>> <<Mr. Whitney is a democrat, but is liberal in his political, as in his other, views. In March, 1896, he was elected city solicitor [p.488] of Harlan, on a non-partisan ticket, receiving about two-thirds of all the votes cast for the office. At the general election that year he was elected county attorney on the fusion ticket, receiving the largest vote of any candidate on the ticket. Mr. Whitney is a member of the American Institute of Civics, and is a Mason, Knight of Pythias, and Modern Woodman. He was married April 5, 1893, to Hattie E. Records, who was born in Delaware, but has been a resident of Iowa since childhood. They have one child, Agnes, born August 27, 1894. >>>>>>>>>
##
Cassius later went to NEBRASKA(source-Obit. ) and then to the Long Beach/
Bellflower area of Ca. He died here in 1948 and was buried in Corona, Ca.
near the homes of his daughters Agnes and Ruth. A son DOW WHITNEY was
living in Lemon Cove, Ca at that time.
Jessie B Whitney stayed in Harlan, Ia His daughter Helen Whitney married
Pete Madsen. She also lived most of her life in Harlan.
Census 1900 Harlan Shelby co. <<<Daniel b. 1823 age 76 m. 54 years. 10
children 8 living, b. in Ohio. father b. in New york. mother b. NY. Owns
his home free of Mortgage>>>
Daniel R. Whitney died in A state hospital in Clarenden, Iowa from a stroke.
Most of the family stayed in either Shelby or Harrison Co Iowa. Rosina
Whitney Crowder died in 1930 in Woodbine, Ia and was buried in Panama, Shelby
Co, Ia near her husband who died in 1888.
I keep looking & hoping to find some other descendent of Daniel R.
Whitney. Is there anyone on the list to whom this sounds familar?
Barbara Crowder Black b. IOWA 1922.- went to NM for mother's health abt 1925-6
living in Sacramento, Ca. now (My husband and I came to Ca during the Korean
Conflict and stayed)
From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:42:40 EDT
Subject: Re: Mary Whitney LOCKE also in Iowa
To: [email protected]
There was annother Whitney reference in this about Mary Whitney Lockein
relationship to this Musician. I copied the artlcle also. If anyone wants the complete article , I wiil e-mail it to them. (It is not my line) [p.147] PROGRESSIVE MEN OF IOWA. (shorten to get main idea) <<<<<Cole, Rossetter Gleason,director of the musical department at Iowa college, Grinnell, and vice-president of the National Association of Music Teachers, ...........................-------------------------------->>> << Her mother, Mary Whitney Locke, was a direct descendant of John Locke, the English philosopher, and two sisters of her mother's father married Gen. Israel Putnam and Eli Whitney, inventor of the cotton gin.>>>>>
Barbara Black in Sacramento
From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:11:49 EDT Subject: Follow Up on Mary Whitney LOCKE: LOCKE-WHITNEY Connection To: [email protected]
Hi all and Barbara, the Mary Whitney LOCKE you found was one of "my" LOCKEs. She was the daughter of Ayers LOCKE, a Revolutionary War Veteran, and Lydia BLODGETT. He was the son of Joseph LOCKE and Mary AYERS.
His sisters were Persis LOCKE, who married Stephen WHITNEY, son of Josiah WHITNEY and Sarah FARR; Bernice LOCKE, who married Moses WHITNEY, son of Samuel WHITNEY and Phoebe HARRINGTON; and Anna LOCKE, who married Guilford LOCKE, son of Samuel and Phoebe.
I have collected quite a lot on the descendants of Ayers and Lydia BLODGETT LOCKE (most of which has not been published). In addition I have a fair amount on the WHITNEY lines extending from the above relationships and would share it gladly.
Also, please note that many of the authors of genealogies published in the 19th century seemed to be over zealous in trying to link almost any LOCKE line to John LOCKE, the Philosopher. I believe that he never married and never had any children at all. A brief review of John LOCKE's life is found on Kingsley LOCKE's homepage at: http://www.net1plus.com/users/locke/locke-5.htm
I would love to learn more about Mary Whitney LOCKE and thank you for spotting it in the Progressive Men of Iowa.
Regards,
Jerry Harrison [email protected] Albuquerque, NM http://members.aol.com/jroots/locke.html
From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:32:13 EDT Subject: Whitney/Phay To: [email protected]
Hi
I am new to this list and am hoping someone might have a Winfield S. Whitney b. 4 Jun 1846 m. 18 Sep 1870 to Ellen Phay (b. 1 Mar 1854 in West Branch, Michigan) in there family line. I know very little about this family and would like to learn more.
Dave Phay
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:50:25 -0700 From: sherrill madden <[email protected]>
Subject: Canada (PEI) to VT>NY To: [email protected]
Grabbing at straws. Looking for WHITNEY's who came from Prince Edward Isle, Nova Scotia to VT to NY about 1740-1800. Repetative names were Edwin, Harry, Carl (Carle), Russell. Any assistance appreciated. Sherrill Madden
"Words form the thread on which we string our experience." Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
Seeking : COX [KS, CA] ~ QUAY [NY, MI, IN] ~ SHUEY [IA] southeastern US: MADDEN, SHIRLEY (Myra Maybelle SHIRLEY aka: Belle Starr)] Erie/Niagara/St. Lawrence Co's NY: MORRELL, ROSCOE, TAYLOR, TUCKER, WHITNEY
From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 03:05:14 EDT Subject: Grafton and Upton Vital Records Lookup To: [email protected]
Dear WRG:
I wonder if there is someone who has (or has easy access to) the full books of the Grafton and Upton Vital Records, not just the Whitney extracts. The reason is:
The Whitny12 database gives the birthplace of David Forbush, husband of Anna-6 Whitney (Nathaniel-5, Nathaniel-4, Nathaniel-3, John-2, John-1) as being in Grafton, Worcester, MA. OTOH, the Westborough VR's show him to be "of Upton" in the entry for the marriage there 4 May 1749, AND, the entry for the "intent" published in the Upton VR's on 3 Feb 1748/9 shows Anna as "of Westborough" but says nothing about him, which by the convention used in these books means that he was of that town.
I realize that this does not preclude David Forbush having been born in Grafton. OTOH (again - I've got three, evidently) another bit of evidence that points a birthplace other than to Grafton, however, is the reference in the Upton VR's to the marriage of Oliver Whitney, Anna's older brother, to Dorcas Forbu(i)sh "of Westborough". A quick glance at the Upton and Grafton (and maybe even the Westborough) VR's may clear up this point.
A minor point, I realize, but deserving of at least one try to get it right.
Happy Hunting:-)
Allan E. Green
Sender: [email protected] From: "Jeanne W. Muse" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Canada (PEI) to VT>NY Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:52:06 -0400 To: [email protected]
Sherrill Madden <[email protected]> wrote on 8/17/98:
>Grabbing at straws. Looking for WHITNEY's who came from Prince Edward
Isle,
>Nova Scotia to VT to NY about 1740-1800. Repetative names were Edwin,
Harry,
>Carl (Carle), Russell. Any assistance appreciated.
>Sherrill Madden
>
>"Words form the thread on which we string our experience."
>Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
>
>Seeking : COX [KS, CA] ~ QUAY [NY, MI, IN] ~ SHUEY [IA]
>southeastern US: MADDEN, SHIRLEY (Myra Maybelle SHIRLEY aka: Belle Starr)]
>Erie/Niagara/St. Lawrence Co's NY: MORRELL, ROSCOE, TAYLOR, TUCKER,
WHITNEY
>
Sherrill: Thanks for your message to the WRG group. When I saw Nova
Scotia, I checked our Henry Whitney database (since many of his descendants
migrated up and around Canada). I looked for the names you gave above but
no obvious hits.
Do you have any more specifics? The databases are getting so large that it is becoming more difficult to follow migration patterns. A few more birth dates and/or spouse names could narrow our search to lead to better results.
Thanks.
Jeanne (Whitney) Muse [email protected]
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:23:48 -0400
From: Bert Smith <[email protected]>
Subject: Nancy Whitney, MA, c1770
Sender: Bert Smith <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
In working on my Taft project, I've just come across a Nancy Whitney, born
probably in the 1770's, in central Mass. who married Samuel Read and had daughter Nancy Whitney Read. Anybody know where this Nancy came from?
Bert
From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 05:29:49 EDT Subject: (no subject) To: [email protected]
Dear WRG:
This appeared on NE-Roots tonight - I checked it out, it may be a nice complement to the listing that Robert put on the MA pages of the web site a few days ago.
>A site I use often for tracking down Massachusetts community names is
>Unincorporated and Unofficial Names of Massachusetts Communities
http://www.magnet.state.ma.us/sec/cis/cisuno/unoidx.htm
Happy Hunting
Allan
From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:14:17 EDT Subject: Re: Apology for (no subject) To: [email protected]
Dear WRG:
My only excuse is it was 3 AM. I'm sorry about the "no subject" - I don't normally do that.
Allan
From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:34:12 EDT Subject: Whitneys of Limington, Maine To: [email protected]
Dear WRG:
Thanks to the generosity of a very nice lady named Susan Szewczyk, I have recently received a copy of the page with Whitneys on it from a book on The Early Families of Limington, Maine. The Whitneys listed are below.
WHITNEY, WILLIAM, b. Sept. 15 1765, Shirley, Mass., d. Mar. 22, 1836, Standish. He lived in town from 1791 to 1796. He came from Standish. He m. Oct. 11, 1792, Hannah Bangs, she b. Apr. 19, 1775, d. Dec. 15, 1861, Standish. Children:
i. DANIEL, b. Jan. 22, 1793, Limington, d. Mar. 24 1873, Hiram; m.
Jan.
19, 1815, Susan Harmon.
ii. WILLIAM JR., b. Jan. 3, 1799, d. May 4, 1859, Sebago; m. Oct. 25,
1818, Anna Hancock of Buxton.
iii. MARY, b. Apr. 30, 1798, d. Jan. 22, 1735, Standish; m. Nov. 28,
1816
John Boulter of Standish.
[I don't know WHY William Jr. is listed "out of order", and with a birth date that is only 8 months and 4 days later. It suggests to me, however, that the year is a mistake for William's birth, which could have been either 1795, 96 or 97. I am working from a Xerox of the printed book, so it is not a copying error on someone's part. AEG]
iv. SARAH H., b. 1800. m. int. May 18, 1834, John West of Standish.
v. ABNER, b. 1802, lived in Sebago.
vi. THANKFUL, b. Oct. 14, 1805, d. July 6, 1841, ae. 38 yrs. 8 mos. 22
das., m. int. Nov. 1834, Nicholas Stickney Burnham of
Standish.
vii. HERMAN B., b. Nov. 5, 1807, d. Feb. 24, 1874, unm., Standish.
viii. HANNAH BANGS, b. Oct. 31, 1810, d. Dec. 8, 1886, Standish; m.
Dec. 31, 1834, Isaac L. Johnson of Limington, he b. Jan. 5,
1805,
d. Apr. 23, 1875, Standish.
There is one other entry on the page that is of some interest. In the prior entry for one William Whitmore, under the listing for the children of his 8th child, William J., in a list of HIS children (thus grandchildren of the first William), the fifth child is JANE WHITNEY WHITMORE. She was b. in 1824 and died in 1863, m. to a David Sumner Small of Limington. Three of the other four children have middle names that seem to be surnames. That would suggest that perhaps there might be a Whitney wife a generation or two earlier. Or, it could be that she was named for an aunt, as the original William's 10th child was a Jane Whitmore, b. 1797, who was married in 1818 to a Reuben Whitney of Standish, a marriage that preceded the birth of the granddaughter Jane Whitney Whitmore by six years.
I have not yet attempted to place this William Whitney of Limington, but will try in a day or two. School meetings start tomorrow, and there is lots to get done for the next few days.
Happy Hunting!
Allan
From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:50:41 EDT Subject: More on William Whitney of ME To: [email protected]
Dear WRG:
Got around to checking, and the William Jr whose birthdate was out of order is clarified by material I already had in the database, which states that he was born on 3 Jan 1795. The date is not sourced, however, and I'm not sure who supplied it, but it makes more sense than the one published in the Limington Families Book that I quoted last night. Apropos sourcing, there are sources cited for the father, William Whitney, Sr. One is Gideon Ridlon's "Saco Valley Settlements and Families" and the other is "Early Families of Standish, ME", by Albert J. Sears. It is probable that these same sources were used for the data that has been provided on the children and their marriages, etc.
In last night's posting of the data from the Limington book, child #5, Abner was treated briefly. I have found a lot more data on him in the db, including a wife, children and a date and place of death. Ask and ye shall receive.
Well, in the last few minutes it has dawned on me that this material all links in with the families provided and researched by Jan Whitaker, especially the linkage between the Whitmore family and the Whitneys, as Uriel (Royal) Whitney married a Whitmore who was the daughter of a Whitney wife.
Jan, I hope this all pretty well agrees with your data - if I have made any mistakes or created any confusion, please correct me.
Happy Hunting to you all.
Allan
From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:44:48 EDT Subject: Fwd: A bit of humour
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this came from a mail group i am in from somerset/bristol england...thought i'd pass it along...thought it really applied...enjoy...and good luck....Liz
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:27:35 +0100 From: "Yvonne Morrow," <[email protected]> (by way of Rosemary Shipsey
<[email protected]>)
Subject: A bit of humour To: [email protected]
Hello folks
Yvonne very kindly passed the following to me which she came across on a chat line. Now, if only .............
Thanks Yvonne!
Genealogy Humor
"I Want"
- By Barbara A. Brown
Yep -- I want ancestors with names like Rudimentary Montagnard or Melchizedick von Steubenhoffmannschild or Spetznatz Gianfortoni, not William Brown or John Hunter or Mary Abbott.
I want ancestors who could read and write, had their children baptized in recognized houses of worship, went to school, purchased land, left detailed wills (naming a huge extended family as legatees), had their photographs taken once a year -- subsequently putting said pictures in elaborate isinglass frames annotated with calligraphic inscriptions, and carved voluble and informative inscriptions in their headstones. I want relatives who managed to bury their predecessors in established, still-extant (and indexed) cemeteries.
I want family members who wrote memoirs, who enlisted in the military as officers and who served in strategically important (and well documented) skirmishes. I want relatives who served as councilmen, schoolteachers, county clerks and town historians. I want relatives who 'religiously' wrote in the family Bible, journaling every little event and detailing the familial relationship of every visitor.
In the case of immigrant progenitors, I want them to have arrived only in those years wherein passenger lists were indexed by National Archives, and I want them to have applied for citizenship, and to have done so only in those jurisdictions which have since established indices.
I want relatives who were patriotic and clubby, who joined every patrimonial society they could find, who kept diaries, and listed all their
addresses, who had paintings made of their horses, and who dated
every piece of paper they touched. I want forebears who were wealthy enough to
afford, and to keep for generations, the tribal homestead, and who left all the aforementioned pictures and diaries and journals intact in the library.
But most of all, I want relatives I can find!!!
Barbara A. Brown
- Ms. Brown's "I Want" article was originally posted in 1994 to
the National Genealogical Conference, FIDO bulletin board forum.
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From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:23:49 EDT Subject: Tombstone Entries from New London, NH. To: [email protected]
Dear WRG:
I picked these up on the Rockingham Co., NH maillist. They are from the Old Main St. Cemetery, New London, NH.
>WHITNEY: >John H. d. 29 Jan 1852 @5yrs, 2mths, 22days. (son of Artemas & Louisa )
>WHITNEY: >Alonzo, d. 28 Jun 1898 @70yrs, 7mths, 10days. >Janet M. d. 28 Mar 1872 @32yrs. (dau of Alexander & Lydia Whitney). >George A. , d. 14 Jun 1854@29yrs. >Emeline L., 15 June 1830 - 16 Nov 1925 (dau of Alex & Lydia )
For Artemas, the closest possibility I could find was the Artemus B. Whitney, b. 1 Sep 1798 in Winchendon, Worcester, MA, son of Hananiah.
For Alexander, the only one I have might be a grandfather. Alexander Whitney, b. 1751, Westborough, MA, died (no date known) in Henniker, Merrimack, NH; wife's name was Lois Carroll - married in 1776.
I hope this is of some use to someone.
Allan E. Green
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From: Dave Macaulay <[email protected]> Subject: [NORTHEAST] CEM. NEW LONDON2: Comments: To: [email protected] To: [email protected]
>More of the "Old Main St. Cemetery, New London, NH. > >KNOWLTON: > >Mary, d. 22 May 1867 @25yrs, 9mths, 19 days. (dau of Samuel S. & Martha >Knowlton) >Martha, d. 18 Jan 1860 @23yrs, 7mths, 15days (" " " " " ) >Ezekiel, d. 7 Nov 1851 @ 22yrs, 11mths. ( " " " " " ) >Samuel S. KNOWLTON, d. 12 May 1852 @ 55yrs. >(wife) Martha, d. 10 Jul 1881 @ 85yrs, 5 mths. >Nathaniel KNOWLTON, 28 Mar 1838 - 7 June 1910 >(wife) Eliza F. Hill, 5 Mar 1837 - 26 Apr 1908 >(son) Fred, d. 11 Apr 1871 @6mths, 20days. > >WHITNEY: > >John H. d. 29 Jan 1852 @5yrs, 2mths, 22days. (son of Artemas & Louisa ) > > >JEWETT: > >James M. , d. 23 Nov 1881@ 63yrs, 8mths, 23days. >(wife) Harriet N., d. 28 Jan 1893 @68yrs, 2mths, 12days. >(dau) Abbie S. , d. 18 Jan 1876 @24yrs, 2mths, 18 days (wife of Rev. H. A. Stratton). > >Frank P. JEWETT, 17 Feb 1853 - 14 Sep 1929 >(wife) Sarah A. Pike, 4 Nov 1852 - 19 May 1889 >(son) George M. , d. 12 Jan 1909 @ 24yrs, 4mths. >(infant) d. Sep 1879. > >CHASE: > >Isaac, 1764 - 1840 >(wife) Mary (Hunt) , 1769 - 1855 >(Children) >Nathan, >Isaac, >Ester, 1792 - 1864. >Henry, 1800 - 1864. >Jabez, 1803 - 1882. >Rebecca, >John S., 1805 - 1887. >Benjamin, >Joseph, > > >WHITNEY: > >Alonzo, d. 28 Jun 1898 @70yrs, 7mths, 10days. >Janet M. d. 28 Mar 1872 @32yrs. (dau of Alexander & Lydia Whitney). >George A. , d. 14 Jun 1854@29yrs. >Emeline L., 15 June 1830 - 16 Nov 1925 (dau of Alex & Lydia ) > > Other names that I didn't have time for ? > >JEWETT's (many more) >PILSBURY (many) >FLETCHER (many) >PHILBRICK (many, some Rev. War) >PURLEY: (many) >MORGAN: (many) >HUNTING: (many) >CLEMENT: (some) >WILLIAMS: (some) >STINSON: (some) >HUTCHIN's (some) >NYE (some) >FALES (few) >RUSSELL: (many) >CURRIER: (many) >WHITTIERS: (many) >CALL: (many) >LOVERIN: (many) >IDE's (many more) > > Hope these fill in some gap's ? I also, transcribed quite a few stones
in the "Wilmot Flats" cemetery, off Rt. 11/103. I will send those along
soon. > >David A. Macaulay >Archivist of MACAULAY and related Families >Scotland to New England, and Beyond !
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:12:42 -0700
From: sherrill madden <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Russell Whitney
To: [email protected]
This is NOT my Russell WHITNEY. May be a cousin.. my Russell WHITNEY b. 1800 somewhere in VT m. Billiscent ??, died in Lockport, NY, date unk. Know he died there because of his son's obit.
Just came back from Lockport and found children of Russell, but no Russell or wife. Big Mystery!
At 05:24 PM 8/22/98 -0400, Norbert C. Koenig wrote: >Would appreciate information on Russell Whitney, b. 2/02/1800, d. >7/07/1881 >m. Virginia Warden, b. 2/07/1807, d. 5/07/1881, Essex Co. NY >Also would like information on daughter Jemima Whitney, b. 1840, m. >Abraham Reynolds Jr. > >Elizabeth Koenig [email protected] > > Sherrill Madden
"Words form the thread on which we string our experience." Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
Seeking : COX [KS, CA] ~ QUAY [NY, MI, IN] ~ SHUEY [IA] southeastern US: MADDEN, SHIRLEY (Myra Maybelle SHIRLEY aka: Belle Starr)] Erie/Niagara/St. Lawrence Co's NY: MORRELL, ROSCOE, TAYLOR, TUCKER, WHITNEY
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:24:39 -0400 From: "Norbert C. Koenig" <[email protected]> Subject: Russell Whitney To: [email protected]
Would appreciate information on Russell Whitney, b. 2/02/1800, d. 7/07/1881 m. Virginia Warden, b. 2/07/1807, d. 5/07/1881, Essex Co. NY Also would like information on daughter Jemima Whitney, b. 1840, m. Abraham Reynolds Jr.
Elizabeth Koenig [email protected]
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:41:56 -0700 From: sherrill madden <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Russel Whitney To: [email protected]
I have a will for a Daniel Whitney from St. Lawrence County that I got through Sambuco.com who researches wills.
If you go to NYGENWEB he will be listed. He has names and counties and years. Each will is $8.00 and his service is very good.
At 02:49 PM 7/13/98 EDT, [email protected] wrote:
>DEAR A. WHITNEY:
> RE your E. Mail July 13, concerning Russell Whitney
> I am interested very much in your biography of James Whitney. I have been
>looking for three years for my Great Grandfather Daniel James Whitneys
>parents with little or no luck. He was born in about 1834 in New York. I
>found what I am sure was his mother Polly Whitney, along with offspring Sarah
>Reese, James Whitney, (who I am positive was GG Daniel James Whitney), Josiah,
>Lucy , Seneca, William and Lucinda Whitney in the 1850 Census, page 177, Line
>503, for Iroquois County, Census District No. 1. Also have record of James
>marriage to my G Grandmother Dilly Jane Flint in Kankakee, Illinois, July 26,
>1855, they moved to Dekalb, Illinois where my Grandfather Harvey James Whitney
>was born June 4, 1856, followed by his brother, Delmar, then they moved to
>Wisconsin where their son Benjamin and Daughter Ida, were born; thence to
>Anderson County, Kansas, where their son Marquis was born in 1868.
> Have never been able to find Polly's husband who was born in New York, as was
>GG FAther Daniel James, and also all the other children of Polly listed above
>were born in New York. From entry on census showing Polly's age as 46 in
>1850, she would have been born around 1804 in NY.
> I thought as you mention a James, also a Daniel in yours from Romulus NY.
>that there might be a possibility of a connection to mine listed above.
> Shall appreciate your advice. Ray Whitney, Topeka, Kansas,
>[email protected]
>
>
Sherrill Madden
"Words form the thread on which we string our experience." Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
Seeking : COX [KS, CA] ~ QUAY [NY, MI, IN] ~ SHUEY [IA] southeastern US: MADDEN, SHIRLEY (Myra Maybelle SHIRLEY aka: Belle Starr)] Erie/Niagara/St. Lawrence Co's NY: MORRELL, ROSCOE, TAYLOR, TUCKER, WHITNEY
From: "sheila peel" <[email protected]>
Subject: Fw: Lydia Whitney/Moses Whitney Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:42:50 -0400 To: [email protected]
Original Message-----
From: sheila peel <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 10:57 AM Subject: Fw: Lydia Whitney/Moses Whitney
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sheila peel <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
>Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 4:01 PM
>Subject: Re: Lydia Whitney/Moses Whitney
>
>
>>Hello Group,
>>Sheila Stratton-Peel here. I asked a question the other day about Lydia
>>Whitney and Moses Whitney from Shelburne, MA. I believe I have solved my
>>own question. I looked for Moses Whitney on Ancestry.com. I believe
that
>>Moses Whitney was born 9/24/1772 in Shelburne, MA. son of Joseph Whitney
>>and Abigail Barnard. She was Lydia Allen b. 2/3/1777 and she is buried
in
>>Penn Yan, NY. She died 12/17/1860. I could not find a death date or
place
>>for Moses Whitney though if anyone has an idea let me know. I beleive
that
>>Lydia was in Penn Yan because her sister Martha Stebbins Whitney married
>>Lyman Munger and they lived in Penn Yan. Lyman Munger was born in Agawam,
>>West Springfield, MA. 9/22/1811. Martha Stebbins Whitney was b.
>9/20/1811.
>>I beleive that I have found out the information that I needed on Lydia
now
>>Moses is the mystery. Thanks to all who replied to this inquiry. Sheila
>> [email protected]
>>
>> Live Long and Prosper
>>
>>
>>
>
From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:06:56 EDT Subject: Re: Russell Whitney To: [email protected]
Dear Sherrill:
Could your Russell be the one born 17 May 1792 in Marlboro, Vermont, and died 21 May 1831 in Jackson, PA ? This man appears in the Whitny12 db, but is shown as married to a Polly Lamb in 1814, no place of marriage given.
I don't know who submitted this material to the WRG database, but Jon Aston may be able to tell you as he is the compiler. I have no sources other than what has been submitted and is in my "copy" of this db.
Allan E, Green
From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:10:58 EDT Subject: Re: Fw: Lydia Whitney/Moses Whitney To: [email protected]
Dear Shelia:
I wonder if you went to the Whitney Research Group collective database on Randy Winches web site? In my copy, it shows that one of their children, Lucius B. Whitney, died in Lockport, NY, 7 May 1823, which would have been about age 19. At that age, one would think that he was there because the whole family was there, although it is not impossible that he was out on his own. I have the same Penn Yan death place for Lydia Allen Whitney, but nothing for Moses.
Our WRG database shows that Moses-7 Whitney (Joseph-6, Joseph-5, Thomas-4, Thomas-3, Thomas-2, John-1) was born 24 Sep 1772 in Shelburne, MA, but he does not appear in the VR's of that town. Eight other children of Joseph-6 and Abigail Barnard Whitney do appear there, but this Moses does not. There are three other Moses' born about that time, one each in Medway, Harvard and Templeton. I have not traced them to eliminate them. The marriage of (a) Moses Whitney and Lydia Allen is on record in the Shelburne VR's, dated 19 Nov 1795, with both persons stated to be "of Shelburne". No children of this marriage appear in these VR's.
A Moses Whitney shows up in the NY Census Index in 1810 in Montgomery Co.; and another in Tiogo Co.; and still another in Washington Co. If any of those have Lockport in them, then you might have the right one.
I hope this helps.
Allan E. Green
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:59:32 From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Grafton and Upton Vital Records Lookup To: [email protected]
At 03:05 AM 8/17/98 EDT, [email protected] wrote: >Dear WRG: > >I wonder if there is someone who has (or has easy access to) the full books of >the Grafton and Upton Vital Records, not just the Whitney extracts. The >reason is: > >The Whitny12 database gives the birthplace of David Forbush, husband of Anna-6 >Whitney (Nathaniel-5, Nathaniel-4, Nathaniel-3, John-2, John-1) as being in >Grafton, Worcester, MA. OTOH, the Westborough VR's show him to be "of Upton" >in the entry for the marriage there 4 May 1749, AND, the entry for the >"intent" published in the Upton VR's on 3 Feb 1748/9 shows Anna as "of >Westborough" but says nothing about him, which by the convention used in these >books means that he was of that town. > >I realize that this does not preclude David Forbush having been born in >Grafton. OTOH (again - I've got three, evidently) another bit of evidence >that points a birthplace other than to Grafton, however, is the reference in >the Upton VR's to the marriage of Oliver Whitney, Anna's older brother, to >Dorcas Forbu(i)sh "of Westborough". A quick glance at the Upton and Grafton >(and maybe even the Westborough) VR's may clear up this point. > >A minor point, I realize, but deserving of at least one try to get it right. > >Happy Hunting:-) > >Allan E. Green
Since neither Upton nor Grafton existed before 1735, it seems virtually certain that David FORBUSH was not born in either place. Westborough was formed in 1717 from Marlborough, and both are towns in which many of the FORBUSH families lived at that period. I have no specific information about David FORBUSH, although he was undoubtedly a cousin, and a descendant of my ancestor Daniel-1 FORBUSH.
Regards,
Robert
Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 07:53:13 -0700 From: sherrill madden <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Russell Whitney To: [email protected]
Nope, not mine. My Russell married Billiscent ?? and died in Niagara County, NY but thanks for the look-up.
At 01:06 AM 8/23/98 EDT, [email protected] wrote: >Dear Sherrill: > >Could your Russell be the one born 17 May 1792 in Marlboro, Vermont, and died >21 May 1831 in Jackson, PA ? This man appears in the Whitny12 db, but is >shown as married to a Polly Lamb in 1814, no place of marriage given. > >I don't know who submitted this material to the WRG database, but Jon Aston >may be able to tell you as he is the compiler. I have no sources other than >what has been submitted and is in my "copy" of this db. > >Allan E, Green > > Sherrill Madden
"Words form the thread on which we string our experience." Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
Seeking : COX [KS, CA] ~ QUAY [NY, MI, IN] ~ SHUEY [IA] southeastern US: MADDEN, SHIRLEY (Myra Maybelle SHIRLEY aka: Belle Starr)] Erie/Niagara/St. Lawrence Co's NY: MORRELL, ROSCOE, TAYLOR, TUCKER, WHITNEY
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 07:56:08 -0700 From: sherrill madden <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Fw: Lydia Whitney/Moses Whitney To: [email protected]
There may be a connection between Lucien and my line, but there was no child (that I have found, and I have the family bible) named Lucien. However, there is a Royal S (mine is Royal E.) at Ossining , who may be a cousin. There is a WHITNEY family in Ossining, NY but I have not been able to trace them back to VT or find any connection to my line. What frustration!!!
At 02:10 AM 8/23/98 EDT, [email protected] wrote:
>Dear Shelia:
>
>I wonder if you went to the Whitney Research Group collective database on
>Randy Winches web site? In my copy, it shows that one of their children,
>Lucius B. Whitney, died in Lockport, NY, 7 May 1823, which would have been
>about age 19. At that age, one would think that he was there because the
>whole family was there, although it is not impossible that he was out on his
>own. I have the same Penn Yan death place for Lydia Allen Whitney, but
>nothing for Moses.
>
>Our WRG database shows that Moses-7 Whitney (Joseph-6, Joseph-5, Thomas-4,
>Thomas-3, Thomas-2, John-1) was born 24 Sep 1772 in Shelburne, MA, but he does
>not appear in the VR's of that town. Eight other children of Joseph-6 and
>Abigail Barnard Whitney do appear there, but this Moses does not. There are
>three other Moses' born about that time, one each in Medway, Harvard and
>Templeton. I have not traced them to eliminate them. The marriage of (a)
>Moses Whitney and Lydia Allen is on record in the Shelburne VR's, dated 19 Nov
>1795, with both persons stated to be "of Shelburne". No children of this
>marriage appear in these VR's.
>
>A Moses Whitney shows up in the NY Census Index in 1810 in Montgomery Co.; and
>another in Tiogo Co.; and still another in Washington Co. If any of those
>have Lockport in them, then you might have the right one.
>
>I hope this helps.
>
>Allan E. Green
>
>
Sherrill Madden
"Words form the thread on which we string our experience." Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
Seeking : COX [KS, CA] ~ QUAY [NY, MI, IN] ~ SHUEY [IA] southeastern US: MADDEN, SHIRLEY (Myra Maybelle SHIRLEY aka: Belle Starr)] Erie/Niagara/St. Lawrence Co's NY: MORRELL, ROSCOE, TAYLOR, TUCKER, WHITNEY
From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 11:56:36 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Russell Whitney To: [email protected]
Dear Sherill and Allan,
I am sure interested in finding more about this Russell Whitney who married a
Polly Lamb in 1814. That fits very close to whom I believe to be my Great Great Grandmother Polly Whitney. I note that Polly Lamb was married in 1814. My Daniel James was born somewhere in New York about 1833. Of course, this is 19 years after she was married, but people in those days had so many children that it could be possible. My Great Great Grandfather and Grandmother, Lyman Flint and Huldah Lewis Flint had 20 Children when the father Lyman, was only 56.
If anyone has any info further on Polly Lamb and Russell Whitney, would sure
like to have it, as I have been stuck on the parentage of my G. Grandfather Daniel James for three years, with the only clue being the 1850 Census in Irioquois County Illinois, showing Polly Whitney and her children, the oldest of which was undoubtedly, my Great Grandfather, Daniel James Whitney.
If this connection can be proved, I can furnish a lot of informtion on down
the line through Daniel James, all the way to myself, with proof. Thanks. Ray Whitney, Topeka, Kansas
From: "Teri Ferguson" <[email protected]>
Subject: Selina Whitney Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 12:25:57 -0400 To: [email protected]
Info was given to me that a Selina Whitney shows up born c1816, died 1836, daughter of David Hyatt Whitney. Do any researchers of David Hyatt Whitney have documentation of the 1836 death??? It sure would help, if I could determine she lived at least until 1849, long enough to give birth to my Louisa Ann Rose.
Thanks Teri Yopp Ferguson [email protected]
From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:51:15 EDT Subject: Russell Whitney To: [email protected]
Dear Group,
I have A Russell Velasco Whitney born in Gibson, Pa. in 1824, died in Thompson, Pa. in 1890.
I submitted the history of Russell Whitney and Polly Lamb to Jon Aston as they are my great-great granparents.
Russell Velasco Whiney was the son of Besey and Torrey Whitney, who aare siblings of Rissell an d Polly Lamb.
Hope this helps in finding Daniel Whitney.
Majemen@ aol. com
From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:29:10 EDT Subject: Mary Whitney To: [email protected]
I am search for the parents of Mary Elizabeth Whitney. b. about 1824 in VT. m. Francis Davis Bridge April 29, 1841 in Hamilton Co. Oh. d. 1898 is burried Pleasant Hill Cemetery, Alcester Twp. Union Co. SD.
First 2 children b. OH. 3rd b. IN. 4th and 5th b. MI. 6th b. WI. 7th and 8th b. Kingston Twsp. Dekalb Co. IL.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Mailyn Bauer
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:20:00 From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: John-1 WHITNEY Ancestry Webpage To: [email protected]
Dear WRG,
I have just posted a webpage on the English ancestry of John-1 WHITNEY of Watertown, MA. You can view it at:
<http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/john/ancestry.html>
I would be very receptive to any suggestions for additions, corrections, improvements, and so on.
I have also added to the WHITNEY Census page a link to the website of AllCensus, a commercial service which is selling CD-ROMs containing the page images of all the U.S. Census records. Once you find your ancestor in one of the indexes, you can order the CD-ROM of that county or enumeration district, and examine the image of the actual census page, as recorded on the microfilm copies made by the National Archives. I do not endorse or recommend this service, merely note its existence. For those not close to a library which can borrow the microfilms, this seems to be an (expensive) alternative.
Regards,
Robert
Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:41:58 EDT Subject: Re: WHITNEY-D Digest V98 #193 To: [email protected]
Hi, List,
I've mostly been lurking here for some time. But all the recent mentions of
a Lydia Whitney and Moses Whitney have made me wonder. My Whitneys were quite a bit earlier, but had the same first names.
I have Jonathan Whitney, b 1634 @ Isleworth-on-Thames, Eng, and d Jan
1701/02. He marr 1656, @ Watertown, MA, Lydia Jones, b ca 1632 and d 1701/02 @ Sherborn, MO. She was the dau of Lewis and Anna (Stone) Jones.
They had dau Lydia Whitney, b 3 July 1657@ Watertown, Middlesex Co., MA. and
d 17 May 1724. Lydia marr Moses Adams 1684. He was b 1654, and d 1631 (?) @ poss. Watertown, MA. (He marr (1) Mary Fairbanks.) (Adams back to ca 1220.)
Their dau, Lydia Adams, marr John Fiske Sr. Then Fiskes marr Fairbanks, and
they marr Russells.
Does this sound like anyone's line? I sure hope so!
Barbara [email protected]
From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:59:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Russell Whitney
To: [email protected]
Dear Sherill,
I am afraid that your Polly Lamb won't fit my Polly Whitney. You say Polly
Lamb died in 1843. My Polly Whitney was shown up in the 1850 census for Iroquois County Illinois and she was aged 46 then. Couldn't be posssible, so I will just have to kep on looking. Thanks a lot anyway. Best Regards. Ray Whitney
From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:57:23 EDT Subject: Margaret WHITNEY To: [email protected]
Hello: I'm trying to find out about a Margaret WHITNEY who married a Charles Greenleaf RAMSDELL 8/31/1870 in Heartland ME. Her marriage was a double ceremony where another couple (Sumner WHITNEY and Augusta WYMAN) were also married. I believe this Sumner (born in Palmyra ME. in ca.1842) was the son of Edward WHITNEY and Annie KNOX. I got their names from Sumner's death info, but I can find no other mention of these two people elsewhere. Nor can I find a connection between Margaret and Sumner's parents. But there must be some connection. they were either both Edward's children or Margaret and Sumner were cousins.
If anyone has any info on these people I would love to hear from you Thanks for any help you can give me................Jeff [email protected]
Sender: [email protected] From: "Jeanne W. Muse" <[email protected]> Subject: Pittsfield, Mass. Whitneys Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:21:13 -0400 To: [email protected]
Hello WRG: The latest issue of The Berkshire Genealogist, Volume 19 - Number 3, Summer 1998 contained a few persons named Whitney.
"Town Records of Pittsfield, Massachusetts" p 89 JUROR LIST - 1795 The Select Men of Pittsfield report the following list of Persons inhabitants of this Town, whom are judged well qualified to serve as Petit Jurors, & lay the same before the Town for their consideration, Decr 25 1795.
Asa Whitney Joshua Whitney
I hope this helps someone!
- -) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse
From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:56:38 -0600
Subject: Hello from Santa Rosaq, California
To: [email protected]
Hi Gang, Just a little note to bring you all up to date. I don't know if I told you, but we were reassigned to the California Santa Rosa Mission.We had to wait 2 weeks for an apartment to open for us to move in to, so we stayed with my sister in Ukiah. But, now we are all settled in to our new little place. It is very nice. We have decorated and furnished it mostly with garage sale items and some things my sister had in storage. I went to see Mary Ann Lindsay and she wasn't home, so I left a note and she called and said she was sorry she missed us, but that she would drop by. Too busy to be involved much with genealogy, but I do read the mail, and when I can , I look up stuff you ask questions about to see if I can help. So I'm not much help, I'm afraid. Anyway, I miss the "gang". All of you have been so helpful in the past. Keep up the good work. Happy hunting, Arv
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:40:02 -0500 From: Rosemary Naastad <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Margaret WHITNEY References: <[email protected]> To: [email protected]
[email protected] wrote: > > Hello: > I'm trying to find out about a Margaret WHITNEY who married a Charles > Greenleaf RAMSDELL 8/31/1870 in Heartland ME. Her marriage was a double > ceremony where another couple (Sumner WHITNEY and Augusta WYMAN) were also > married. I believe this Sumner (born in Palmyra ME. in ca.1842) was the son > of Edward WHITNEY and Annie KNOX. I got their names from Sumner's death info, > but I can find no other mention of these two people elsewhere. Nor can I find > a connection between Margaret and Sumner's parents. But there must be some > connection. they were either both Edward's children or Margaret and Sumner > were cousins. > > If anyone has any info on these people I would love to hear from you > Thanks for any help you can give me................Jeff > [email protected]
Hello WRG and Jeff
This is my first message to the group as I am in and out a lot of the time. This is the first time I have seen my relative Sumner Whitney, child of Charles E. Whitney b. Mar 17, 1809 m. Annie ( ? ). Sumner was b. July 4, 1843 d. Sept 28, 1918 m. August 31, 1870 to Harriett A. Wyman, daughter of John Wyman & Olive Wiggins, Harriett was born Nov 29, 1850 d. July 8, 1935. I have the 8 children of Sumner and Harriet with birth, death and marriage dates. Also a small amount of other information. Sumner is my GG Grandfather, and I have been stuck on his father for quite sometime now. I have to say your timing is horrible as we leave on vacation Thursday at noon. I will check my mail all day as much as possible hoping to hear a reply before we leave. We return on Sept 8th and I will again try to resume this issue. I'm so excited I almost don't want to leave.
Regards Rosemary Naastad
From: [email protected] Date: 26 Aug 1998 21:49:02 CST/CDT Subject: ME Revolutionary pension schedules To: [email protected]
I happened to run across an old issue (April 1988) of the NEHG Register, and noticed it contained some Maine Revolutionar pension estate schedules from June 1820. There were a few Whitneys listed, so I thought I'd post the names and some details. If anyone is interested in the complete schedules, I can supply them.
Daniel Whitney, 66, Gorham, private, William's Co., Phinney's Regt., Mass. Abigail, wife, 59. Polly, 21. Meriam, 18. Happy, 16. Louise, 14.
Stephen Whitney, 64, Standish, private, Lane's Co., Varnum's Regt., RI. Martha, wife, 58.
Joshua Whitney, 59, Buxton, private, Bannister's Co., Shepperd's Regt., Mass. Mary, daughter, 30; Huldah, 26; Nancy, 22; Almira, 16.
Isaac Whitney, 71, Gorham, private, Jenkin's Co., Brewer's Regt., Mass. Polly, wife, 69; Polly, daughter, 32; Sophia, daughter, 23; Polly Newcomb, 18, grandchild; Wm. Newcomb, 11, grandchild.
Greg Cote
Edwards, IL
From: [email protected] Date: 27 Aug 1998 21:10:30 CST/CDT Subject: Whitney/Phay To: [email protected]
I don't have this Winfield S. Whitney, but I did recently run across another one. This is from a stone in the Abbott Village cemetery in Maine:
Winfield Scott Whitney Feb. 16, 1851 - Sept. 9, 1916 Etta S., his wife May 17, 1852 - Oct. 18, 1884
Also while I was in Maine this summer, I saw an obituary in the Piscataquis Observer for Lewis A. Whitney:
Manchester and Parkman: Lewis A. Whitney, 81, of Readfield Rd., Manchester, died Sunday, June 28, at Maine General Rehabilitation and Nursing Care...(snip)...He was born in Parkman on January 31, 1917, the son of Roy and Elsie (Currier) Whitney. ...(Rest deleted, including survivors)...
Greg Cote Edwards, IL
DA>Hi
DA>I am new to this list and am hoping someone might have a Winfield S. Whitney DA>b. 4 Jun 1846 m. 18 Sep 1870 to Ellen Phay (b. 1 Mar 1854 in West Branch, DA>Michigan) in there family line. I know very little about this family and DA>would like to learn more.
DA>Dave Phay
From: "Jorfo" <[email protected]>
Subject: MARY WOODS
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:45:20 -0400
To: [email protected]
Greetings!
I’m new to the list, having been introduced to it and to your outstanding
web site by Jeanne Whitney Muse. My paternal great-grandmother was Eunice Matilda8 WHITNEY [Richard7, Lt. Daniel6, Daniel5, Richard4-3-2, John1]. She married in Winchendon, MA, December 3, 1857, John Gilman FOLSOM. Naturally, I can furnish her descendants if anyone wants them.
I also have most of her American ancestors. I am hung up (temporarily, I
hope) on Mary WOODS, mother of Dorothy GOSS.
Dorothy GOSS, dtr. of John GOSS and Mary WOODS, was born ca. 1721,
probably in Lancaster, MA. She m. Nov. 9, 1744, Daniel WHITNEY. She was “of Lancaster” and he was “of Stow.” He was b. Stow, MA., Feb. 13, 1719/20, and d. there in 1782. She d. Lancaster, MA, Oct. 11, 1813.
John GOSS, father of Dorothy and husband of Mary WOODS, was born Jan 20,
1692/93, probably in Lancaster. He was a son of Philip GOSS and Mary PRESCOTT.
Mary WOODS was apparently not of the Groton, MA., Woods families; at
least, her birth is not found in the Groton VR.
I would appreciate any information or leads that other members of this
list can give me.
John Folsom Orlando, FL
From: "Jorfo" <[email protected]>
Subject: Sarah DUREN / DURANT Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:47:23 -0400 To: [email protected]
While poking around in your WHITNEY web site the other day, I found, under
the Descendants of John WHITNEY, that the wife of Daniel6 [Daniel5, Richard4-3-2, John1] is shown as Sarah DUREN. Billerica VR’s show DUREN, DURAN, DURANT, and a couple of other variants of the name. Sarah was a daughter of Abraham DURANT and Rachel MANNING, both born Billerica and married there May 20, 1736 (note that Daniel and Sarah named a son, Manning).
John Folsom Orlando, FL
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:39:10
From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif">
Subject: Marriage Records, AZ, IA, ID, IL, IN, MI, MS, NV
To: [email protected]
Dear WRG,
I have just posted marriage records from Arizona, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Mississippi, and Nevada. Thanks to Patricia Whitney-Jones and Colleen Knights, who sent me the data. See this URL:
<http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/marriage/>
Enjoy!
Regards,
Robert
Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:26:56 From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Gravestones, Mendon, NY To: [email protected]
Dear WRG,
Found the following at: <http://home.eznet.net/~halsey/cem/honeoye2.txt>
=========================================================
== HONEOYE FALLS CEMETERY Town of Mendon, N. Y.
compiled by Richard T. Halsey 1988
WHITNEY, Belinda T., wife of Calvin T.; Feb. 26, 1806 - June 12, 1888
Calvin T.; May 26, 1802 - Dec. 25, 1874
=========================================================
== I can't place this couple. Can anyone else?
Regards,
Robert
Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:23:54 -0400 From: Gredler Family <[email protected]> Subject: Nathaniel Whitney To: [email protected]
My line starts with 1. Anna WHITNEY b. 8 Mar 1730 Westboro, Worchester, MA d. 4 Jan 1785
m. 4 May 1749 David FORBUSH
her parents: 2. Nathaniel WHITNEY b. 23 Jan 1696 Watertown, MA d. 27 Jan 1728?
m. 22 Julne 1721/2 Mary CHILD b. 1699 d. 3 Jan 1776
his parents 3. Nathaniel WHITNEY b. 25 Mar 1675 Watertown, MA d. 23 Sep 1730 Watertown, MA
m. 7 Nov 1695 Mercy ROBINSON b. 7 Aug 1676 Watertown, MA d. 31 Dec 1740
his parents 4. Nathaniel WHITNEY b. 1 Feb 1647 Watertown, MA d. 7 Jan 1732 Weston, MA
m. 12 Mar 1673 Sarah HAGAR
my question is: how much further back can I go, that is documented? I have 18 MORE generations! Where should I stop?
Sara
[email protected] http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Bistro/3831 "When will my reflection show who I am inside?"- _Mulan_
From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:27:44 EDT
Subject: Joshua Whitney
To: [email protected]
My gg grandmother was Mary Elizabeth Whitney. She was born in VT. abt 1824. Her parents were supposedly Joshua Whitney and Susan Hindes. His parents were Joshua Whitney and Amy Blodgett?
Any help to verify this information would be appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
Marilyn
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:38:54 From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif">
Subject: Re: Nathaniel Whitney To: [email protected]
At 11:23 AM 8/30/98 -0400, Gredler Family wrote: >My line starts with >1. Anna WHITNEY b. 8 Mar 1730 Westboro, Worchester, MA d. 4 Jan 1785 > m. 4 May 1749 David FORBUSH >her parents: >2. Nathaniel WHITNEY b. 23 Jan 1696 Watertown, MA d. 27 Jan 1728? > m. 22 Julne 1721/2 Mary CHILD b. 1699 d. 3 Jan 1776 >his parents >3. Nathaniel WHITNEY b. 25 Mar 1675 Watertown, MA d. 23 Sep 1730 Watertown, MA > m. 7 Nov 1695 Mercy ROBINSON b. 7 Aug 1676 Watertown, MA d. 31 Dec 1740 >his parents >4. Nathaniel WHITNEY b. 1 Feb 1647 Watertown, MA d. 7 Jan 1732 Weston, MA > m. 12 Mar 1673 Sarah HAGAR > >my question is: how much further back can I go, that is documented? I >have 18 MORE generations! Where should I stop? > >Sara > >[email protected] >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Bistro/3831 >"When will my reflection show who I am inside?"- _Mulan_
You can go back just three more generations. For your line, see
<http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/john/john14.html#i263>
and connecting links. For the English ancestry, see
<http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/john/ancestry.html>.
The parentage of Thomas WHITNEY (ca1560-1637) is unknown.
Can you supply information on David FORBUSH's birth, ancestry, and/or descendants? We have a list of 13 children and some birth dates, but nothing more.
Regards,
Robert
Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
Sender: [email protected] From: "Jeanne W. Muse" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Joshua Whitney Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:09:40 -0400 To: [email protected]
Original Message from Marilyn-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 11:31 AM Subject: Joshua Whitney
>My gg grandmother was Mary Elizabeth Whitney. She was born in VT. abt
1824.
>Her parents were supposedly Joshua Whitney and Susan Hindes. His parents
were
>Joshua Whitney and Amy Blodgett?
>
>Any help to verify this information would be appreciated.
>
>Thank you in advance.
>
>Marilyn
>
Marilyn: My database shows the Joshua Whitney (son of Joshua Whitney and
Amy Blodgett) as married to Sally Cochran. My source: New England
Historical and Genealogical Register Vol 138 p37: "married to a Miss
Cochran...left several children."
His brother, JOSIAH, married Susannah Hinds as his second wife, according to my notes from Pierce's Whitney Genealogy. The same source and page as above states "His friends never knew where or when he died."
This is all I have on this family. Unfortunately no marriage dates were given in the NEHGR.
See this web page for all the information available thus far: http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/john/john58.html
Can anyone else help Marilyn with this family?
- -) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse
[email protected] http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jwmuse/whitney.htm
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