Mailing List Discussions, December 1996

From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney VR's for Natick MA Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:23:54 -0500 (EST)

                       NATICK MA VITAL RECORDS to 1850

BIRTHS-pg98-101

WHITENEY

       Mary,d. of David and Methatable, Nov. 5, 1745.

WHITNEY

       _____,s. of Ebenezer, Sept.24,1842.
       _____,d. of Ebenezer and Sarah F., Dec 14,1849.
       Albert M., s. of Ebanezer and Joann, Jan. 16,1836.
       Amos, s.  of Michah and Lydia, May 7,1750.
       Catharine H. d., of Ebenezer and Joann, May 5, 1840.
       Charles, s. of Ebenezer and Mary, in  Watertown, May 21,1808.
       Charles W., s., of Ebenezer and Joann, June 13, 1832.
       Charlotte Travis, d., of David and Mary Ann, Mar.21,1836.
       Daniel, s. of  James, bp. at Sherborn, Dec. 10, 1733.  C.R.
       Daniel,s. of Micah(Dea. Micah, C.R.) and Lydia, Jan. 26,1759.
       David, s. of Ephraim and Sarah, Feb. 13, 1776.
       David Morse, s. of George and Ester, Mar. 16, 1804.
       David Morse, s. of Georg[e] and Ester, Nov. 1,1806.
       Eben Fisher, s. of Jason and Hannah, in Watertown, Jan.10, 1805.
       Ebenezar, s. of George and Ester, Dec. 20, 1820.
       Ebenezer, s. of Jason and Lois, Mar.2, 1784.
       Ellen O., d. of Ebenezer and Joann, Mar. 5,1830.
       Emerline An[n], d. of Jason and Hannah, in Watertown, Feb.6, 1809.
       Ephraim, s. of David and Mehetable, Mar. 25, 1747.
       Ester Louiazer, d. of David M. and Mary Ann, Mar. 8, 1829.
       Esther, d. of Tho[ma]s, bp. Nov. 29, 1767.  C.R.
       Fisher, s. of Jason and Lois. Jan.3,1775.
       Frank Hayden, s. of David M. and Nancy G., July 30,1845.
       Freeman Sears, s. of George and Ester. Feb. 6, 1812.
       George, s. of Ephraim and Sarah. Feb.22,1772.
       George, s. of Jason and Lois, Mar.22, 1778.
       George Callender, s. of George and Ester, Feb 3, 1809.
       George Henry, s. of David M. and Mary Ann, Sept 17, 1830.
       Hannah. d, of Jason and Lois, Aug.6,1776.
       Hannah, d. of George amd Esther, Jan. 30, 1802.
       Hannah Goodenow, d.of Jason and Hannah, in Watertown, Jan. 2,1807.
       Harriet Wilson, d. of David M. and Mary Ann, July 9, 1841.
       Hirum Ebenezer,s. of Edenezer and Joann, June 3, 1826.
       Horatio, s. of Lowes Clap, in Boston, Nov. 13, 1798.
       Isaac, s. Jason and Elisabeth, Aug. 17, 1770.
       Isabella C., d. of Elenezer and Joann.Oct 17, 1834.
       James, Sept. 27, 1816. G.R.1
       Jason, s. of Jason, bp. July 31, 1768. C.R.
       Jason, s. of Jason and Lois, Oct. 20, 1780
       John, s. of David and Mehetable, June 1,1749.
       John Angier, s. of George and Ester, Dec.20,1817.
       Joseph Leland, s. of Freeman S. and Eveline, Aug. 18, 1835.
       Joshua, s. of Jason and Elizabeth, Apr. 12,1772.
       Loise, d. of Jason and Lois. Oct. 17, 1773.
       Mark, s. of Thomas and Methetable, May 18, 1766.
       Martha Ann, d. of Ebenezer and Mary, in Brighton, Feb.9, 1817.
       Mary, d. of David and Mehetable, Nov. 5,1745.
       Mary, d. of Micha, bp. Sept.11,1748. C.R.
       Mary, d. of Jason and Elizabeth, Mar. 24, 1765.
       Mary, d. of Oliver and Hannah, Mar.3, 1781.
       Mary, d. Jason Jr. and Hannah, Nov.26, 1801.
       Mary A.[_____], w. of David M. Oct. 7, 1805.  G.R.1.
       Mason, s. of (Dea.,C.R.) Micah and Lydia, Dec. 16, 1765.
       Mehetable, d. of Thomas and Mehetable, Aug.8, 1762.
       Meheteble,d. of Ephraim and Sarah, Aug.22, 1773.
       Mercy, d.of David and Mehetable, Jan.8,1751.
       Micah,s. Micah and Lydia, June 20, 1753.
       Nancy Childs, d.Ebenezar, and Mary, June 20, 1822.
       Nancy Goodenow, d.of Jason and Hannah, b. in Dedham, Nov.26,1810.
       Nathaniel D.T., s. of Ebenezer and Joann, May 3, 1838.
       Oliver, s. of David, bp. June 9, 1745. C.R.
       Persis, d. of Ephraim and Marah, Jan. 15, 1767.
       Prudence Walker, d. of Ebenezar and Joann, May 14, 1823.
       Rachel, d. of Jason, bp. Mar.20, 1759. C.R.
       Rhoda,d. of Jason and Lois, Feb.28,1786.
       Roxellana, d. of Jason and Hannah, Feb.23, 1803.
       Sally, d. of George and Esther, Dec.25,1799.
       Sally Cummings, d. of Ebenezar and Joann, July 6,1824.
       Sally Cummings,d. of Ebenezer and Joann, Apr.3,1828.
       Samuel Homer, s. of David M. and Mary Ann, Oct.11, 1832.
       Samuel Stilman, s. of George and Ester, Jan.6, 1815.
       Sarah, d. of Jason and Lowis, May 15,1782.
       Sarah, d. of Ephraim and Sarah, Dec.24, 1783.
       Susanah, d. of Jason and Elizabeth, Dec.9,1766.

WHITTNEY

       Abigail, d.of Jason and Elizabeth, Dec.13, 1761.
       Elizabeth,d. of Jason and Eliz[abeth], Feb.23,1760.
       Huldah, d. of Thomas and Mehitable, Aug.20, 1764.
       Sarah,d. of Jason and Eliz[abeth], Apr.29,1763.

MARRIAGES-pg195-6

WHITNEY

       Abigail and William Dunton, Oct.2,1788. In Sherborn.
       Amos of Boston, and Betsey Sawin. int. Nov.8,1817.
       Betsey(S.,int.)wid, and Stephen Goodhue Esq.,widr.(of Newton, dup.)Jan.24,1844
       Daniel and Jane Whitney, of Dedham, July 10,1777.
       David and Mary Ann Gilmore, formerly of Wrenthan, Apr.3,1828.
       David M.,widr.,s. of George and Esther, a.40, and Nancy E. Wheeler,
              supposed wid.,d. of Jason Whitney, Jan.23,1845.
       Ebenezer and Mary Brown, Apr.8,1807.
       Ebenezer and Joann Law, Nov.10,1822.
       Emeline Ann and Elijah Hearsey(Hersey,int) Jr., Oct.14,1827.
       Ephraim and Sarah Wood, July 11, 1771.
       Esther and James Wodkins(Watkins, M.R.)of Hopkinton, Aug.30, 1764.
       Esther L. and Theodore T. Parker, int. Oct.24,1847.
       Fisher and Patty Watkins of Partridgefield, int. July 28,1799.
       Freeman S. and Eveline Perry, Apr.3,1833.
       George and Esther Morse, int. Sept.3,1799.
       George, Capt., and Azubah Hastings of Millbury, int. Mar.24,1839.
       George C. and Persis Broad, Dec.2, 1830.
       Hannah and Eli Rogers(of Marlboro,NH.,int), July 11,1799.
       Hannah and Henry Rice, Oct.10, 1821.
       Hitty and Samuel Lawton, Jan.12,1797.
       James and Elizabeth Twitchel of Sherborn, Apr.27,1732.*
       James Jr. and Mary Ann Clark of Sherborn, int. Apr. 14,1844.
       Jane of Dedham, and Daniel Hill, int. Apr.12,1777.
       Jane of Dedham, and Daniel Whitney, July 10, 1777.
       Jason and Elizabeth Beal of Sudbury, Mar.3,1757.  In Sudbury.
       Jason and Louis Pratt(Lois.int.) of Needham, Mar. 17,1773. In Needham.
       Jason(Whiteing,int.)of Sherborn, and Deborah Morse, Nov.13,1776[prob.1766]
               (Mar.15,1766,int.). In Sherborn.
       Jason Jr. and Hannah Goodenow, int.Sept.12,1801.
       John,a transient person(of Medway,int.), and Molly Cary, Feb.16,1768.
               In Newton.
       John A. and Emily Ann Walker, May 27, 1839.
       Lois and Thomas Cummins Jr. of Newton, June 29, 1791.
       Martha of Sherborn, and Moses Stratton, int.Aug.11, 1833.
       Martha A. and David E. Allen, Nov.6,1834.
       Mary and Solomon Parker of Medfield, int. Apr.22,1792.
       Mary B. and Abraham Bigelow 2d, Mar.6,1831.
       Mehitable(Whiting,int.) and Artemas Woodward(Woodard,int) of Newton,
               Mar.27, 1787. In Newton.
       Micah and Lydia Mason of Watertown, Nov.11, 1747. In Watertown.*
       Prudence W. and William G. Wilson of Brighton, Dec.17, 1842.
       Samuel S.,Dr., of Newton, and Sarah W. Spalding, Sept.29,1838.
       Sarah and Nathan Wodkins(Watkins,M.R.)(of Hopkinton,int.)June 11,1761.
       Tabitha and John Lessure of Upton, Aug.31, 1769.
       Thomas and Mehetable Bacon of Stoughton, int. Oct.19,1761.

       *intention not recorded

DEATHS-pg247-8

WHITNEY

       Amos,s. of Micah and Lydia, Feb.4,1755.
       Bela, s.of Ephraim and Sarah, Dec.14,1794.
       Catharine H., d. of Eben[eze]r and Joan, June 1,1842.  a. 2y. Scarlet fever.
       David, Apr.19, 1754.
       David Morse,s. of George and Esther, Sept 21,1805.
       Ebenezer, s. of Eb[e]n[eze]r and Mary, Dec. 16, 1821, a. 7y. G.R.5.
               (1820. Dropsy, C.R.)
       Elizabeth, w. of Jason, May 22,1772.
       Ephraim, June 26, 1832, a.85y. (a.88y. Old age,C.R.)
       Esther, w. of Capt. George, Mar.26,1836.
       Francis, s. of Francis and Mary, Apr.30,1819, a. 8m. 24d. G.R.3.
       George, Capt.,s. of Jason, Feb.18,1849, a. 71y. Md. Lung fever.
       Hannah,w. of Jason, at Dedham, Dec.27,1810.
       Harriet Wilson, d. of David M. and Mary Ann, July 21, 1842, a. 1y. 12d.
               Dropsy in the head.
       Jason, June 23, 1807. (a.60y. Old age, C.R.)
       Jason, s. of Jason, July 25,1844, a. 65y. Md. Consumption.
       Joshua, s. of Jason and Elizabeth, May 8, 1772.
       Lois, w. of Jason, Nov.21, 1805.
       Louisa, d. of Simeon, Apr.25, 1836, a. 4y.
       Mary, d. of Jason Jr. and Hannah, Dec.9,1801.
       Mary, w. of Ebenezar, July 22, 1822. (a.37y.,G.R.5)
       Mary Ann, w. of David M., Dec.7, 1843, a.38y. (Dec.27,G.R.) Pulmonary
               consumption.
       Rachel, d. of Jason, Apr.__,1759.  C.R.
       Sally, d. of George and Esther, Apr. 10, 1802.
       Sally Cummings, d. of Eb[e]n[eze]r and Joann, Dec. 7, 1825. (a. 17m.,C.R.)
       Samuel Stillman, s. of Eben[eze]r and Sarah F., July 15, 1844, a. 10m. 21d.
               G.R.1.
       Sarah, w. of Ephraim, May 24,1821, a. 75y. G.R.3.

WHITTNEY

       Mark, June 23,1760.

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From: Ron & Marsha Bokleman <[email protected]>

Subject: Howe Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 22:09:52 -0500

>From Incidents in the life of Samuel etc

page 78

       Issue of David and Sarah (Whitney) Howe

2. David Howe, b. August 5, 1810; m. March 31, 1836, Sarah F. Mead of Castine. They now reside at Lincolnville.

   children:
      1. William Lawrence Howe  b. Castine May 3 1838
      2. David Mead Howe   b. Castine July 27, 1840
      3. George Witherle Howe  b. Lincolnville, March 19, 1846.
      4. Sarah Margaret Howe  b. at Lincolnville, Dec. 24, 1847.
      5. Anna Rebecca Howe  b. Lincolnville, April 20, 1849.
      6. Caroline Mead Howe  b. Lincolnville August 30, 1853.
      7. Mary Alice Howe b. Lincolnville Feb. 9, 1855.

3. Joseph Whitney Howe b. May 14, 1814; died at the age of ten months, March 20, 1815.

4. Sarah Ann Howe b. July 16, 1816. She, with her cousin Charles Whitney, (son of Henry) was drowned by the upsetting of a boat in Penobscot Bay, Ocy. 31, 1831.

5. Rebecca Howe b. Oct. 15, 1817; married her cousin Samuel Whitney, (oldest son of Samuel Austin Whitney), Nov. 21, 1844. She was drowned, together with her husband by the sinking of a boat through which a hole was knocked by ice while crossing Penobscot Bay, March 31, 1846. Her body was recovered and interred at Lincolnville, but then removed to Castine. His body was not recovered.

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From: Ron & Marsha Bokleman <[email protected]> Subject: Bridge, Cutler, Belknap Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 22:20:26 -0500

Have some information connecting these families to the Whitney's and also the Inscriptions and Epitaphs from the cemetery at Castine within the Whitney enclosure. If anyone wants any of this information let me know. MVB

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From: [email protected] Subject: Greetings from an English Whitney Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:16:20 GMT

Hi folks,

I discovered the WHITNEY List some weeks ago and I've been in 'digest' mode since then - one of Michael's "lurkers"! - to get a feel for what's being discussed and exchanged between you good folks. I have to say that I'm impressed with the amount of good, basic WHITNEY research material I've seen go past my screen.

I noted the brief dialog about whether messages should be sent to individuals or via the group, and I thought Larry Stephens' comments on this were very apt. I have already had exchanges with one or two of you on specific points, but I have some Whitney-related stuff which may be of wider interest, especially since some of it has strong USA connections [see footnote]. Since there is quite a lot of ground to cover, I won't try to do it all now, so watch this space: as someone said the other week - if you don't want it just hit the delete key!

I can't claim to have collected a large amount of WHITNEY information, but one useful database I have on my Mac is a complete listing of registered WHITNEY (this spelling only) births, marriages and deaths for England & Wales from the start of registration in Sept 1837 to the end of 1939. This was transcribed from the St. Caths/GRO Index by Dianne Searle of Corwall, whose great uncle William Solden Whitney emigrated to Canada and then to California towards the end of the last century. Unfortunately the GRO indexes are not available on disk, nor do they group several spelling variants together like the IGI. If anyone would like me to do a British WHITNEY b/m/d search THEY HAVE ONLY TO ASK!

The footnote summarises a topic I hope to cover in the coming weeks. If anyone out there already has ANY information or comments on this - or if it was discussed before I joined - please let me know straight away so that I don't waste your valuable screen time going over old ground. I hope you are all recovered from the long holiday weekend!

Finally - a curious co-incidence! Ed Sinker was in the Hereford Public Library the other day looking at their copy of the Melville book (The Ancestry of John Whitney). What should he find tucked in there but a 100-year-old newspaper cutting of a letter to the editor of the Hereford Journal written by my grandfather's sister on the subject of Geffery Whitney the 16th cent. Cheshire poet!

Cheers,

John G. Whitney Oxford, England

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Henry Austin W. and Samuel Austin W.; their research in England; their pedigree charts published by Henry Green in London in 1866; was John Whitney (the emigrant) the son of Richard Whitney of Islip in Oxfordshire?

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From: [email protected] Subject: Daniel James Whitney Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:59:08 -0500

Hello All,

    I have been away several days over Thanksgiving.  I purposely left  my

E-Mail from the group open so that I would not miss any data.

    While on my trip, looked up some newly found distant relatives in Long

Lane, Mo., where I found out a little additional information about my line of Whitneys. One thing particularly interesting was that I learned that my Great Grandfather, whom I had known thus far only as James Whitney, actually was Daniel Jamers Whitney, so that gives one additional little clue .

    I just finished reading with bated breath some thirty of your messages

that come while I wsas gone, buit alas, did not find Daniel James Whitney mentioned in any of them.

    As info to all, that now makes my search for paren ts, birth, marriage

and death of Daniel James Whitney, who should have been born in 1834 or thereabouts in someplace in New York. In 1870 was shown in Anderson County, Kansas census as 36 years old, married to Dilly Jane (Jennie) Flint Whitney, age 33, born also in New York, children: Harvey James (my Grandfather), age 14, born in Iowa, Delmar, Age 11, born in Illinois, Benjamin, Age 9, born in Wisconsin, Ida, Age 6 born in Wisconsin, and Marquis D. Age 2, born in Kansas. Also, after Danel James Whitney's name was the notation "Insane". I have other information that he actually died in the east, his wife Dilly Jane, having come to Kansas, afterwards, with four children to live with her sister, Waty Ann Keller. Apparently, Marquis was born after she arrived in Kansas. Other than my grandfather, Harvey, I have the most information about Marquis with very little about the other three children., With the infor that Daniel James died in the east, I have speculated he might still have been alive, but possibly institutionalized in the east and his wife may have shown him on the Kansas Census, with the rest of the family.

    In any case, if any of you have any info about Daniel James,

particularly his parents, and place of birth, I would be extremely grateful for your advice. I have been at this dead end for some months now. Now that I have the additional information of the first name being Daniel, I will go

back               to the Kansas Historical Center, as well as the Mormon

Library to see if I can locate him there. Thanks again. Ray Whitney

Note to Allagreen: I didn't get the busy sign on you alone, but on the entire group. I just wrote you separately for any ideas you had about getting it on. Thanks. Ray

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From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]> Subject: Bellingham MA, VR's Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:27:48 -0500 (EST)

                       BELLINGHAM MA VITAL RECORDS-to 1850
                     New England Historic Geneologic Society

BIRTHS-pg70-71

WHITNEY

       Betsey M.G., d. Nelson and Ruth M., Oct.17,1844.
       Dexter,______,1817. G.R.2.
       Henry Adalbert,s.Dexter and Adaliza, July 1,1842.
       Herbert Clifton, s.Ethan and Julia A. Oct.6,1849.
       Ida Alma,d.Ethan and Julia, Apr.7,1847.
       Laban,s.Laban and Olive, Jan.6,1815.
       Lauria Ann,d.Nelson and Ruth M., June 18,1849.
       Lemuel G.,s.Laban and Olive, Jan.4,1817.
       Lewis Edward,s.Dexter and Adliza, Sept.12,1844.
       Melissa R.,d.Nelson and Ruth M.,Jan 28,1847.
       Reuel,s.Laban and Olive, Dec. 3,1811.

WHITNY

       Adeliza[_____],w.Dexter,_____,1812.  G.R.2.

MARRIAGES-pg157

WHITENY

       Pricilla of Medway, and Joel Adams, Mar.4,1801.

WHITNEY

       Dexter and Adeliza Cook, Sept.26,1839.
       Ethan and Julia A.L.Bosworth, Nov.24,1842.

DEATHS-pg220

WHITNE

       Elias, July 29,[1810], a.94. P.R.1.
       Leaben, June 20[1818], P.R.1

WHITNEY

       Harriette,d.Ethan and Betsey M., Mar. 15,1811, a.27. C.R.2.[Hariat,1841,
               a. 26, P.R.1.]
       Laura Ann, d. Nelson and Ruth M., consumption, Nov. 21,1849, a. 5m.4d.
       _______,ch.Nelson, Aug.6[1848]. P.R.1.

WHITNY

       Helen E.,d.Dexter and Adeliza, Oct.17,1840, a. 1y. 1m. 18d. G.R.2.

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From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney VR's for ATHOL MA Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:29:49 -0500 (EST)

                       ATHOL MA VITAL RECORDS to 1850
                            pub. Franklin P. Rice

BIRTHS-pg96-7

WHITNEY

       Abby M.,d.Lemuel and Almira,_____ __,1847. G.S.6.
       Almeda,d.Edward and Rhoda, April 15,1821.
       Alva,d.Nathan and Sina, March 6,1806.
       Ammi,s.Lemuel and Anna, June 1,1817.
       Anna,d.Nathan and Sina, March 30,1809.
       Bartholomew W.,s. William K. and Deborah, July 19,1825.
       Barzillia J.,s.William K. and Deborah, April 21,1822.
       Betcy Bowker,twin d.Moses and Tabitha,Dec.22,1804.
       Charles,s.Edward and Rhoda,July 21,1823.
       Deborah W.,d.William K.and Deborah,Oct.30,1823.
       Elbridge W.,s.William K. and Deborah, May 26,1819. At Dana.
       Esther Desire Fuller,d.Jacob and Sally, Oct.20,1844.
       Esther Maria,d.Lemuel and Anna,Nov.21,1818.
       Frances Adeliza,d.Elbridge W. and Sopha, Jan.5,1846.
       Freeman Bowker,twin,s.Moses and Tabitha,Dec.22,1804
       Gilbert H.,_____ __,1824. G.S.1
       Helen M.,w.Gilbert H.,_____ __,1827. G.S.1.
       Ira,s.Nathan and Sina,July 30,1807.
       John F.,s.William K. and Deborah,March 29,1828.
       John P.,July 14,1831. G.S.2.
       Josiah C.,s.William B. and Marilla L.,July 14,1843.
       Lewis J.,_____ __,1802. G.S.1.
       Mary W.,d.William K.and Deborah,March 16,1830.
       Melinda L.,w.Gilbert H.,_____ __,1826. G.S.1.
       Nancy,d.Edward and Rhoda,March 25,1818.
       Ruth,w.Lewis J.,_____ __,1803.  G.S.1.
       Sophia A.,w. E.W.,_____ __.1823. G.S.2.
       Susannah K.,d.William K. and Deborah, Nov.1,1820.
       Washburn Whiting,s.Lemuel and Anna,Nov.11,1820.
       William Wheeler,s.Nathan and Sina, March 12,1811.
       _____.d.William K. and Mary Ann,_____ __,____.[1844 or 1845.]

MARRIAGES-pg176

WHITNEY

       Abel of Orange and Sylvia Twichel, July 15,1810.
       Deborah(d.William K.) and Lyman Fox, Aug 20,1848.
       Elbridge W. of Petersham and Sophia Ann Billings, Oct.20,1841.
       Hannah and Abraham Roberts, both of Warwick, Nov.13,1777.*
       Hannah H. and Hiram Lewis Jr.,Oct.10,1841.
       Henry and Sally Twichell, Dec.28,1820.
       Irene of Petersham and Evi[Eri?]Twichel, Jan.1,1817.
       Lemuel of Warwick and Sally Pratt, int.Aug.18,1804.
       Lewis I. and Ruth Howard, July 18,1824.
       Nathan of Royalston and Sina Wheeler, May 16,1805.
       Phebe and Artemas Hancock of Templeton, Jan.5,1812.
       Susanna K. and Silas Fry, May 16,1840.
       William K and Mary Ann Billings,April 2,1843.

       *intention not recorded.

DEATHS-pg227

WHITNEY

       Francis A.,s.[d.?] Elbridge W. and Sophia A., Sept.17,1846,
               a. 8m. 12d. G.S.2.
       Isaac Henry,s.Moses and Tabitha, Oct.1,1804.
       Mr.Jonas, April 7,1776. C.R.
       Lucy, d.Chandler and Martha, Aug.19,1843, a. 16y.7m. Consumption.
       Martha, w.Chandler, Jan.8,1848, a.52. G.S.2.
       Mary[W.] d.William K.,[and Deborah], Sept 6,1846, a.16. Typhus fever.
       Patty, w.C.H.,Jan.8,1848, a.47.
       _____,ch.Moses, Oct.1,1804, a.2y. C.R.
       _____,ch.Saml.,Feb.7,1817, a.1y. C.R.
       _____,[Frances A.,above?],inf.d. Whipple, Sept.18,1846. Dysentary.

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From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney VR's for Sherborn MA Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:29:11 -0500 (EST)

                       SHERBORN MA VITAL RECORDS to 1850

BIRTHS-pg92-4

WHITNEY

       ______, d. of Warren and Ann E., Aug. 22, 1847.
       ______, d. of Warren and Ann, Mar. 30, 1849.
       Aaron, s. of Daniel and Miriam, Feb.9,1772.
       Aaron, s. of Aaron and Ede, Sept. 15,1809.
       Abbie Barrett,[______],w.of Daniel,_____, 1846.  G.R.2.
       Abby,d. of Warren and Ann, Apr.11, 1846.
       Abigail, d. of James and Patience, Dec.11,1749.
       Almira, d. of James and Lois, Apr.15, 1814.
       Amanda Maria, d. of Isaac and Sally, July 21, 1824.
       Amos, s.of Daniel and Meriam, Mar. 30,1762.
       Ann Maria,d. of Lyman and Mary, Oct.6,1841.
       Ann Park, d. of Joseph and Sally, Nov. 6, 1808.
       Benjamen,s.of Benjamen and Hester, May 22,1709.
       Benjamin, s.of James and Martha, June 13, 1723.
       Benjamin,s.of James and Martha, Oct 23,1727.
       Benjamin, s. of James and Susanna, July 1, 1781.
       Benjamin, s.of James and Susanna, Mar.5,1785.
       Betsey,d.of Simeon and Achsah, Jan.22,1793.
       Daniel,s. of Elenor,Feb.27,1704-5.
       Daniel,s. of James and Elizebeth, Dec.13,1733.
       Daniel,s. of Daniel and Meriam, July 3,1768.
       Daniel,s.of Aaron and Ede, July 26, 1805.
       Daniel Leland, s. of Lyman and Mary, Nov.20, 1845.
       Doratha,d. of Jonathan and Susanna, Aug.28,1708.
       Elias,s.of Jonathan and Susanna, Nov.14,1716.
       Elizabeth, d.of John and Mary, Jan.29, 1690.
       Elizabeth,d.of Ezra and Mercy, June 29,1754.
       Elizabeth,d.of Aaron and Edy, July 16,1803.
       Elizebeth,d.of Daniel and Miriam,Apr.29,1765.
       Ella,d.of James R. and Susan A., Dec.15,1848.
       Ephraim,s.of Joseph and Rebeka, Mar.11,1715-6.
       Esther,d.of Joseph and Sarah. Sept.29,1796.
       Ezra,s.of James and Martha,Feb.22, 1729-30.
       Ezra,s.of John and Hannah, Aug.8,1781.
       Frank,s.of James R.amd Susan A.,Feb.12,1846.
       George,s.of Jonathan and Susanna, Aug.12,1721.
       George,s.of Joseph and Sally, Jan.2,1801.
       George Lyman,s.of Lyman and Mary,Aug.21.1848.
       Hanah,d.of John and Sarah,Sept.27,1697.
       Hannah,d.of Jonathan and Susanna, Feb.11,1714-5.
       Hannah,d.of John and Hannah, Mar.30,1775.
       Harriet,d.of Richard of Watertown, and Betsey Sparrowk,Mar.30,1812.
       Henry,s.of Joseph and Sally,Aug.5,1793.
       Isaac,s.of Jonathan and Sarah, Sept.27,1694.
       Isaac,s.of James and Susanna, Sept.4,1782.
       James,s.of John and Mary,Dec.28,1692.
       James,s.of Joseph and Rebecka, Mar.23,1714.
       James,s.of Benjamin and Esther,Oct.21,1755.
       James,s.of John and Hannah,May 1,1768. [twin]
       James,s.of John and Hannah,Sept.8,1779.
       James,s.of James and Lois, Sept.27,1816.
       Jane,d.of Isaac and Sally,Apr.9,1816.
       Jesse,s.of Jonathan and Susanna,Feb.8,1714.
       John,s.of Nathaniel and Sarah, Nov.27,1716.
       John,s.of John and Hannah, May 1,1768 [twin]
       John,s.of John and Hannah, May 15,177-[torn].
       John Fisk,s.of Aaron and Ede, Jan.31,1795.
       Jonas,s.of Joseph and Rebecka,June 7,1708.
       Jonathan,s.of Jonathan and Susanah, Oct.17,1704.
       Joseph,s.of Joseph and Rebecca,Mar.22,1710.
       Joseph,s.of James and Patience. May 7,1745.
       Joseph,s.of Benjamin and Esther,Dec.15,1762.
       Joseph Park,s.of Joseph and Sally, July 9,1798.
       Joshua,s.of Benjamin and Jane,Sept.21,1687.
       Kezia,d.of Jonathan and Susanah, July 31,1706.
       Lois,d.of James and Lois, Apr.16,1812.
       Loiza,d.of James and Lois,July 6,1804.
       Lydia,d.of Jonath[an] and Susanna,Mar.3,1711-2.
       Lydya,d.of John and Sarah,Apr.18,1695.
       Lyman,s.of James and Lois, June 1,1808.
       Martha,d.of James and Martha, Nov.9,1721.
       Martha,d.of James and Patience,Aug.16,1747.
       Martin,s.of James and Susanna,June 17,1787.
       Mary,d.of John and Mary, Mar.27,1689.
       Mary,d.of Jonathan and Susanah, May 28,1710.
       Mary,d.of James and Martha, May 12,1720.
       Mary,d.of Daniel and Meriam, May 12,1770.
       Mary,d.of Aaron and Edy,July 24,1801.
       Mary,d.of Isaac and Mary, May 12,1812.
       Mary Elizabeth,d.of Lyman and Mary, Nov.7,1843.
       Mehetable,d.of Jonathan and Susanna, Dec.27,1718.
       Micah,s.of James and Martha, June 4,1725.
       Mime,d.of Simeon and Achsah,Feb.3,1797.
       Miraam Leland,d.of Aaron and Ede, Nov.8,1811.
       Nath[anie]ll,s.of John and Hannah,July 10,1772.
       Patience,d.of James and Patience, Apr.25,1752.
       Patty,d.of John and Hannah, Jan.12,1778.
       Patty,d.of Isaac and Mary, Dec.1,1809.
       Phebe,d.of James and Lois, May 2,1806.
       Salla,d.of Joseph and Sarah, Dec.4,1794.
       Sally[_____],w.of Isaac Esq., Dec.16,1785. G.R.2.
       Sam[ue]l,s.of Joseph and Sarah, June 26,1806.
       Sarah,d.of Jonathan and Sarah, Mar.2,1693.
       Sarah,d.of Isaac and Sally, Dec.17,1817.
       Sarah Ann,d.of Isaac and Sally, Apr.17,1829.
       Sarah Hill,d.of Aaron and Ede,July 9,1813.
       Silvanus,s.of Joseph and Rebeckah,Feb.22,1711-2.
       Susanna,d.of Jonathan and Susanna, Jan.20,1702-3.
       Susanna,d.of Isaac and Mary, July 21,1807.
       Sylvester,s.of James and Louis,Apr.12,1810.
       Tabitha,d.of Jonathan and Sarah,Aug.22,1696.
       Warren,s.of Isaac and Sally, June 15,1819.

MARRIAGES-pg180-1

WHITNEY

       Aaron and Ede Fisk,Apr.30,1794.*
       Abigail and Ebenezer Foskett of Warwick, Oct.28,1773.*
       Abigail and Will[ia]m Dunton, both of Natick, Oct.2,1788.*
       Achsah,wid.,and Asa Lealand,Nov.26,1801.*
       Amos of Boston and Betsey Sawin of Natick, Dec.4,1817.*
       Benjamin Jr.and Mercy Trevis, Oct.24,1700.*
       Benjamin and Esther Lealand, Apr.18,1751.*
       Benjamin and Mary Fairbanks of Mendon, Feb.9,1792.  In Mendon.*
       Caroline S.,d.of James and Lois, a.25y., and James H. Wight of Dover,
               s.of Asa and Sybil of Dover, a.30y., b.in Dover,Nov.19,1846.
       Charles of Holliston and Susan(Susannah int)Sanger,Oct.2,1839.
       Daniel and Meriam Lealand, June 11,1761.*
       Elmira and Harrison G.O.Hooker, Nov.27,1834.
       Ezra and Mercy Morse, Feb.14,1754.*
       Hannah and Henry Pratt, Apr.23,1805.*
       Horatio of Watertown and Betsey Greenwood, June 4,1821.
       James of Framingham and Patience Lealand, Mar.18,1741-2.*
       James and Susanna Hill of Holliston, Apr.20,1780.*
       James of Natick,s.of James and Lois, a.28y., and Mary Ann Clark,
               d.of Alpheus and Nancy,a.28y.,May 9,1844.
       James R.,s.of Isaac and Sally, a.24y, and Susan A Cleale, d.of
               Joseph and Susan,a.22y.,May 15,1845.
       Jane and James N.Hill,Oct.22,1835.
       Jemima and Richard Bullard, Nov.12,1815.
       John of Framingham and Abigail Perry, Feb.8,1738-9.*
       John and Hannah Holbrook, Feb.5,1767.*
       John of Boston and Silence Holbrook,Sept.23,1811.*
       Joseph and Sarah Park of Framingham, Oct.3,1792. In Framingham.*
       Lois and Augustus H. Lealand, Feb.26,1833.
       Louisa and Cyrus Daniels of  Medway, Nov.29,1827.
       Lydia and Moses Adams, Apr.15,1684.*
       Lyman and Mary Leland, Mar.25,1841.
       Martha and Ezekeil Wood of Uxbridge, Oct.30,1765.*
       Martha and Moses Stratton of Natick, Sept. 12,1833.
       Mary and John Bullard, May 6,1792.*
       Mary and Moses Stratton,Dec.7,1831.
       Mary and Ebenezer Babcock, July 4,1833.
       Mercy and Thomas Frink of Sudbury,July 16,1719. In Sudbury.*
       Patience and Zacheriah Barbar, May 18,1775.*
       Patience,wid.,and Dea.Joseph Damon of Uxbridge,May 13,1759.In Uxbridge.*
       Persis and Solomon Gould of Medway,Nov.29,1792.*
       Phebe and Partridge Hill,int.Mar.21,1829.
       Susan and Charles Bonney of Walpole, Oct.20,1831.
       Sylvester and Fanny Sanger, May 2,1833.
       Warren and Ann E.Watson, int.Mar.24,1845.

       *intention not recorded

DEATHS-pg227-8

WHITNEY

       Aaron,Nov.29,1818, a.46y.  G.R.3.
       Abigail,d.of Jonathan and Lydia,June 7,1704.
       Abigail,d.of James and Lois, July 25,1825, a.2y.7m.  G.R.5.
       Benjamin,Cornet, Aug.29,1718(in his 40th y., G.R.1)
       Benjamin,Mar.26,1723.
       Benjamin,s.of James and Martha,Oct.12,1723.
       Benjamin,s.of James and Susanna, Sept.2,1781.
       Benjamin,Dea.,Dec.17,1793. G.R.5.
       Daniel,Hon,Esq.,Apr.6,1810, a.76y.  G.R.3.
       Daniel,Aug.24,1844, a.39y.  G.R.3.
       Ede(Ede Fisk,G.R.3),wid.of Aaron,Sept.1,1848, a.74y.4m.7d. Consumption.
       Elizabeth,wid of(Dea.James,G.R.1),Mar.31,1782,(in her 86th y.,G.R.1).
       Elizabeth,Aug.24,1824, a.21y. G.R.3.
       Hannah,wid of John,June4,1826, a.84y.
       Isaac,Dec.5,1690.
       Isaac Esq.,Sept.9,1844, a.61y.  Md. Consumption.
       James,Nov.30,1690.
       James Jr.,Jan.3,1754.
       James,s.of John and Hannah,May 1,1768.
       James,Dea.,Apr.10,1770,(in his 78th y.,G.R.1).
       James, May 30,1800, a.46 y.  G.R.5.
       Jane, w.of Benjamin, Nov.14,1690
       Jesse,s.of Jonathan and Suzanna, Mar.1,1714.
       John,s.of John and Hannah, May 1,1768.
       John,Lieut.,Feb.17,1825, a.82y.  G.R.5.
       John Fisk,s.of Aaron and Ede,July 18,1814(a.19y.5m., G.R.3)
       John Fisk 2d,Apr.30,1816, a.10w. G.R.3.
       Jonathan,Jan.1,1702-3.
       Joseph,s.of James and Patience,Sept.18,1746.
       Lidia,w.of Jonathan Sr.,Feb.3,1701-2.
       Marie Elalie,w.of Aaron,June 3,1849, a.37y.  Born in Seychelles
               Islands.  Cholera morbus.
       Martha,d.of James and Martha, Dec.17,1721.
       Martha,w.of James,July 1,1731.
       Martha,d.of James and Susanna, Dec.10,1809, a.18y. G.R.5.
       Mary,w.of John, Jan.13,1692.
       Mary,d.of James and Martha,May 24,1720.
       Mary,w.of Isaac, Oct.21,1813. a.26y. G.R.5.
       Miriam,wid.of Daniel Esq.,Dec.31,1817, a.77y.  G.R.3.
       Patty,d.of John and Hannah, Feb.22,1778.
       Sarah,d.of Isaac and Sally, Feb.23,1818, a.9w. C.R.5.
       Sukey,d.of James and Susanna, Dec.13,1799, in her 10th y. G.R.5.
       Susanna,wid.of James,Sept.25,1841, a.90y. 3m. G.R.5
       Sylvia,d.of James and Susanna, Nov.14,1813, a. 18y. G.R.5.
       Vespasian,s.of James and Lois, Sept.3,1821, a.2y.7m. G.R.5.

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From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney VR's for Natick MA Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:28:51 -0500 (EST)

                       NATICK MA VITAL RECORDS to 1850

BIRTHS-pg98-101

WHITENEY

       Mary,d. of David and Methatable, Nov. 5, 1745.

WHITNEY

       _____,s. of Ebenezer, Sept.24,1842.
       _____,d. of Ebenezer and Sarah F., Dec 14,1849.
       Albert M., s. of Ebanezer and Joann, Jan. 16,1836.
       Amos, s.  of Michah and Lydia, May 7,1750.
       Catharine H. d., of Ebenezer and Joann, May 5, 1840.
       Charles, s. of Ebenezer and Mary, in  Watertown, May 21,1808.
       Charles W., s., of Ebenezer and Joann, June 13, 1832.
       Charlotte Travis, d., of David and Mary Ann, Mar.21,1836.
       Daniel, s. of  James, bp. at Sherborn, Dec. 10, 1733.  C.R.
       Daniel,s. of Micah(Dea. Micah, C.R.) and Lydia, Jan. 26,1759.
       David, s. of Ephraim and Sarah, Feb. 13, 1776.
       David Morse, s. of George and Ester, Mar. 16, 1804.
       David Morse, s. of Georg[e] and Ester, Nov. 1,1806.
       Eben Fisher, s. of Jason and Hannah, in Watertown, Jan.10, 1805.
       Ebenezar, s. of George and Ester, Dec. 20, 1820.
       Ebenezer, s. of Jason and Lois, Mar.2, 1784.
       Ellen O., d. of Ebenezer and Joann, Mar. 5,1830.
       Emerline An[n], d. of Jason and Hannah, in Watertown, Feb.6, 1809.
       Ephraim, s. of David and Mehetable, Mar. 25, 1747.
       Ester Louiazer, d. of David M. and Mary Ann, Mar. 8, 1829.
       Esther, d. of Tho[ma]s, bp. Nov. 29, 1767.  C.R.
       Fisher, s. of Jason and Lois. Jan.3,1775.
       Frank Hayden, s. of David M. and Nancy G., July 30,1845.
       Freeman Sears, s. of George and Ester. Feb. 6, 1812.
       George, s. of Ephraim and Sarah. Feb.22,1772.
       George, s. of Jason and Lois, Mar.22, 1778.
       George Callender, s. of George and Ester, Feb 3, 1809.
       George Henry, s. of David M. and Mary Ann, Sept 17, 1830.
       Hannah. d, of Jason and Lois, Aug.6,1776.
       Hannah, d. of George amd Esther, Jan. 30, 1802.
       Hannah Goodenow, d.of Jason and Hannah, in Watertown, Jan. 2,1807.
       Harriet Wilson, d. of David M. and Mary Ann, July 9, 1841.
       Hirum Ebenezer,s. of Edenezer and Joann, June 3, 1826.
       Horatio, s. of Lowes Clap, in Boston, Nov. 13, 1798.
       Isaac, s. Jason and Elisabeth, Aug. 17, 1770.
       Isabella C., d. of Elenezer and Joann.Oct 17, 1834.
       James, Sept. 27, 1816. G.R.1
       Jason, s. of Jason, bp. July 31, 1768. C.R.
       Jason, s. of Jason and Lois, Oct. 20, 1780
       John, s. of David and Mehetable, June 1,1749.
       John Angier, s. of George and Ester, Dec.20,1817.
       Joseph Leland, s. of Freeman S. and Eveline, Aug. 18, 1835.
       Joshua, s. of Jason and Elizabeth, Apr. 12,1772.
       Loise, d. of Jason and Lois. Oct. 17, 1773.
       Mark, s. of Thomas and Methetable, May 18, 1766.
       Martha Ann, d. of Ebenezer and Mary, in Brighton, Feb.9, 1817.
       Mary, d. of David and Mehetable, Nov. 5,1745.
       Mary, d. of Micha, bp. Sept.11,1748. C.R.
       Mary, d. of Jason and Elizabeth, Mar. 24, 1765.
       Mary, d. of Oliver and Hannah, Mar.3, 1781.
       Mary, d. Jason Jr. and Hannah, Nov.26, 1801.
       Mary A.[_____], w. of David M. Oct. 7, 1805.  G.R.1.
       Mason, s. of (Dea.,C.R.) Micah and Lydia, Dec. 16, 1765.
       Mehetable, d. of Thomas and Mehetable, Aug.8, 1762.
       Meheteble,d. of Ephraim and Sarah, Aug.22, 1773.
       Mercy, d.of David and Mehetable, Jan.8,1751.
       Micah,s. Micah and Lydia, June 20, 1753.
       Nancy Childs, d.Ebenezar, and Mary, June 20, 1822.
       Nancy Goodenow, d.of Jason and Hannah, b. in Dedham, Nov.26,1810.
       Nathaniel D.T., s. of Ebenezer and Joann, May 3, 1838.
       Oliver, s. of David, bp. June 9, 1745. C.R.
       Persis, d. of Ephraim and Marah, Jan. 15, 1767.
       Prudence Walker, d. of Ebenezar and Joann, May 14, 1823.
       Rachel, d. of Jason, bp. Mar.20, 1759. C.R.
       Rhoda,d. of Jason and Lois, Feb.28,1786.
       Roxellana, d. of Jason and Hannah, Feb.23, 1803.
       Sally, d. of George and Esther, Dec.25,1799.
       Sally Cummings, d. of Ebenezar and Joann, July 6,1824.
       Sally Cummings,d. of Ebenezer and Joann, Apr.3,1828.
       Samuel Homer, s. of David M. and Mary Ann, Oct.11, 1832.
       Samuel Stilman, s. of George and Ester, Jan.6, 1815.
       Sarah, d. of Jason and Lowis, May 15,1782.
       Sarah, d. of Ephraim and Sarah, Dec.24, 1783.
       Susanah, d. of Jason and Elizabeth, Dec.9,1766.

WHITTNEY

       Abigail, d.of Jason and Elizabeth, Dec.13, 1761.
       Elizabeth,d. of Jason and Eliz[abeth], Feb.23,1760.
       Huldah, d. of Thomas and Mehitable, Aug.20, 1764.
       Sarah,d. of Jason and Eliz[abeth], Apr.29,1763.

MARRIAGES-pg195-6

WHITNEY

       Abigail and William Dunton, Oct.2,1788. In Sherborn.
       Amos of Boston, and Betsey Sawin. int. Nov.8,1817.
       Betsey(S.,int.)wid, and Stephen Goodhue Esq.,widr.(of Newton, dup.)Jan.24,1844
       Daniel and Jane Whitney, of Dedham, July 10,1777.
       David and Mary Ann Gilmore, formerly of Wrenthan, Apr.3,1828.
       David M.,widr.,s. of George and Esther, a.40, and Nancy E. Wheeler,
              supposed wid.,d. of Jason Whitney, Jan.23,1845.
       Ebenezer and Mary Brown, Apr.8,1807.
       Ebenezer and Joann Law, Nov.10,1822.
       Emeline Ann and Elijah Hearsey(Hersey,int) Jr., Oct.14,1827.
       Ephraim and Sarah Wood, July 11, 1771.
       Esther and James Wodkins(Watkins, M.R.)of Hopkinton, Aug.30, 1764.
       Esther L. and Theodore T. Parker, int. Oct.24,1847.
       Fisher and Patty Watkins of Partridgefield, int. July 28,1799.
       Freeman S. and Eveline Perry, Apr.3,1833.
       George and Esther Morse, int. Sept.3,1799.
       George, Capt., and Azubah Hastings of Millbury, int. Mar.24,1839.
       George C. and Persis Broad, Dec.2, 1830.
       Hannah and Eli Rogers(of Marlboro,NH.,int), July 11,1799.
       Hannah and Henry Rice, Oct.10, 1821.
       Hitty and Samuel Lawton, Jan.12,1797.
       James and Elizabeth Twitchel of Sherborn, Apr.27,1732.*
       James Jr. and Mary Ann Clark of Sherborn, int. Apr. 14,1844.
       Jane of Dedham, and Daniel Hill, int. Apr.12,1777.
       Jane of Dedham, and Daniel Whitney, July 10, 1777.
       Jason and Elizabeth Beal of Sudbury, Mar.3,1757.  In Sudbury.
       Jason and Louis Pratt(Lois.int.) of Needham, Mar. 17,1773. In Needham.
       Jason(Whiteing,int.)of Sherborn, and Deborah Morse, Nov.13,1776[prob.1766]
               (Mar.15,1766,int.). In Sherborn.
       Jason Jr. and Hannah Goodenow, int.Sept.12,1801.
       John,a transient person(of Medway,int.), and Molly Cary, Feb.16,1768.
               In Newton.
       John A. and Emily Ann Walker, May 27, 1839.
       Lois and Thomas Cummins Jr. of Newton, June 29, 1791.
       Martha of Sherborn, and Moses Stratton, int.Aug.11, 1833.
       Martha A. and David E. Allen, Nov.6,1834.
       Mary and Solomon Parker of Medfield, int. Apr.22,1792.
       Mary B. and Abraham Bigelow 2d, Mar.6,1831.
       Mehitable(Whiting,int.) and Artemas Woodward(Woodard,int) of Newton,
               Mar.27, 1787. In Newton.
       Micah and Lydia Mason of Watertown, Nov.11, 1747. In Watertown.*
       Prudence W. and William G. Wilson of Brighton, Dec.17, 1842.
       Samuel S.,Dr., of Newton, and Sarah W. Spalding, Sept.29,1838.
       Sarah and Nathan Wodkins(Watkins,M.R.)(of Hopkinton,int.)June 11,1761.
       Tabitha and John Lessure of Upton, Aug.31, 1769.
       Thomas and Mehetable Bacon of Stoughton, int. Oct.19,1761.

       *intention not recorded

DEATHS-pg247-8

WHITNEY

       Amos,s. of Micah and Lydia, Feb.4,1755.
       Bela, s.of Ephraim and Sarah, Dec.14,1794.
       Catharine H., d. of Eben[eze]r and Joan, June 1,1842.  a. 2y. Scarlet fever.
       David, Apr.19, 1754.
       David Morse,s. of George and Esther, Sept 21,1805.
       Ebenezer, s. of Eb[e]n[eze]r and Mary, Dec. 16, 1821, a. 7y. G.R.5.
               (1820. Dropsy, C.R.)
       Elizabeth, w. of Jason, May 22,1772.
       Ephraim, June 26, 1832, a.85y. (a.88y. Old age,C.R.)
       Esther, w. of Capt. George, Mar.26,1836.
       Francis, s. of Francis and Mary, Apr.30,1819, a. 8m. 24d. G.R.3.
       George, Capt.,s. of Jason, Feb.18,1849, a. 71y. Md. Lung fever.
       Hannah,w. of Jason, at Dedham, Dec.27,1810.
       Harriet Wilson, d. of David M. and Mary Ann, July 21, 1842, a. 1y. 12d.
               Dropsy in the head.
       Jason, June 23, 1807. (a.60y. Old age, C.R.)
       Jason, s. of Jason, July 25,1844, a. 65y. Md. Consumption.
       Joshua, s. of Jason and Elizabeth, May 8, 1772.
       Lois, w. of Jason, Nov.21, 1805.
       Louisa, d. of Simeon, Apr.25, 1836, a. 4y.
       Mary, d. of Jason Jr. and Hannah, Dec.9,1801.
       Mary, w. of Ebenezar, July 22, 1822. (a.37y.,G.R.5)
       Mary Ann, w. of David M., Dec.7, 1843, a.38y. (Dec.27,G.R.) Pulmonary
               consumption.
       Rachel, d. of Jason, Apr.__,1759.  C.R.
       Sally, d. of George and Esther, Apr. 10, 1802.
       Sally Cummings, d. of Eb[e]n[eze]r and Joann, Dec. 7, 1825. (a. 17m.,C.R.)
       Samuel Stillman, s. of Eben[eze]r and Sarah F., July 15, 1844, a. 10m. 21d.
               G.R.1.
       Sarah, w. of Ephraim, May 24,1821, a. 75y. G.R.3.

WHITTNEY

       Mark, June 23,1760.

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From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney marriages for Charlestown MA Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:29:33 -0500 (EST)

                     WHITNEY MARRIAGES in CHARLESTOWN MA
               pub.New England Historic Genealogical Society

MARRIAGES Volume 1-part 1

pg-219 "An acct. of Marriages before Edward Emerson,Esq. Justice of Peace,vizt:" Joseph Whitnee & Rebeka Burge, both of Chelmsford, m.May 26, 1706.

pg-243 Robert Foskitt & Susannah Wittney,both of this town, m.by Simon Bradstreet,Min.,

       Nov.1,1715.

MARRIAGE INTENTIONS Volume 1-section II

pg-511 Thomas Conn of Charlestown & Sally Whitney of Chelmsford,entered Dec.28,1800.

pg-518 Mr. Alford Skilton of Charlestown & Miss Patty Whitney of Watertown, entered Sept.23,1804.

pg-530 Mr. Samuel Whitney of Boston & Miss Frances Goodenow of Charlestown, entered Nov.8,1808

pg-534 Mr. Eber Whitney & Miss Mehitable W. Nutting, both of Charlestown, entered Oct.31,1810.

pg-544 Mr. Joseph F. Tufts of Charlestown & Miss Hannah Whitney of Watertown, entered Mar.11,1815

pg-574 Simon Whitney,M.D. of Framingham & Miss Mary Walker of Charlestown, entered Apr.4,1824.

pg-583 Mr Charles Whitney of Charlestown & Miss Maria Emery of Chichester,N.H.,entered

       May 20,1826.

Mr.Thomas R. Spear & Miss Abby S. Whitney, both of Charlestown, entered July 23,1826.

MARRIAGE INTENTIONS Volume 2

pg-597 Mr. John S. Jones of Quincy & Miss Lucy A. Whitney of Charlestown, entered Apr.25,1829.

pg-611 Mr. Evans Anderson & Miss Mary Ann Whitney, both of Charlestown, entered Mar.3,1832

pg-617 Mr Thomas Hart[meaning Mr.Thomas Hartwell added above and in margin]of Shirley & Miss

       Eunice Whitney of Charlestown, entered May 25,1833.

pg-633-5 Mr. William Hurd & Miss Sopeia Whitney, both of Charlestown, entered Dec. 12,1835. Mr. Joseph W. Pennel of Malden & Miss Emily Whitney of Charlestown, entered Apr.1,1836.

pg-721 Mr John S. Whitney & Veleria[altered from Valiria] P. Johnson. both of the City of

       Charlestown, entered Nov.13,1847.

pg-745 Luther F. Whitney of Charlestown, 30,painter, b.Harvard, MA.,son of Richard

& Sally T.,

       1st mar., & L.Lorinda Carleton of Charlestown, 27, b.Boston, dau. of

William

       & Lydia, 1st mar.,entered Sept.15,1849

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From: [email protected] (Jan Whitaker) Subject: Abraham Whitney Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:17:29 -0500 (EST)

Dear Cousins, I have in my possession a photocopy of a personal paper of one Abraham Whitney, written on Apr. 9th 1858, and titled "Some Religious Experiences of Abraham Whitney". The subject may not interest you, but it includes many observations of his life and times and is handwritten and quite legible. I would gladly send it to anyone who can identify him from the following clues in his paper. (I haven't been able to) He seems to have been a bachelor, so wouldn't have direct descendents, but perhaps someone out there is related. About 1811 he lived in Westminster, MA, working for Reubin Bond in the "Clothier Business", and soon after, his mother died in Bolton, MA. (His brother came to give him the news) Circa 1812-13, he was in Hingham,MA working in a woolen factory, when he was called to defend the nearby town of Cohasset from the British in the "War of 1812"(he later refused bounty land, for religious reasons). In 1815, he worked for his cousin Samuel Houghton of Bolton, after three months, he went to work in Pembroke, MA, then returned to Bolton, at which time his father was still living. On May 31, 1815 he entered the Shaker Community in Harvard, MA. Hope someone can identify him. Jan

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From: [email protected] (Arvy L Whitney) Subject: Re: Greetings from an English Whitney Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 23:31:17 EST

Hi and welcome, This is for the entire WRG. I have returned from a wonderful trip to England and Scotland and Wales.

Alan, I went to Lambeth Marsh ( which no longer exists), but there is a plaque memorializing the ancient town. As you exit the Westminster Bridge across the river from the Abbey and walk not 50 yards from where the cabby's pick up passengers, right at the end of that first short little block is the bronze sign that basically said that the town of Lambeth Marsh used to be at this site in 1560 or around that era. I took a picture of it. Also, The only thing I could was in the Muniment room in Westminster Abbey was an entry on the baptism of John Whitney and I saw the original document that must be well over 400 years old. I just wish I would have asked more questions. I did ask how I could find out if this Thomas I have listed is really the father of our John. He sent me to St. Margarets, and I didn't go until saturday. The person in charge there told me they have no records of graves or births or deaths there. The only thing they have is a record of memorials and their inscriptions, and there are no Whitney's listed. He sent me back to the Abbey but they were closed on Saturday.

An interesting point is that our John was baptized there and Thomas and Mary were married there and buried there. Now if I could just prove that. I wonder if I wrote to the Abbey if they would reply to my questions?.

Also, I visited very shortly with Ed Sinker up near Hereford. That trip was so hurried I didn't have time to spit, but at least we got to meet and we will exchange information. It was a short visit, but a nice one.

It was a great trip, I recommend it to all.

Regards, Arv

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From: [email protected] Subject: Arv - RE: your UK visit, etc Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 22:29:18 GMT

Hi Arv,

Glad to hear you enjoyed your visit to the UK. A pity you ran out of time before you could get to Whitney on Wye. The Visitors' Book in the church there is stiff with USA Whitneys - you would have been in good company! The Whitney Estate passed from the Whitneys to the Wardours in the 18th c., then via the Tomkyns and the Dews to the Hopes. Old lady Hope has just died aged in her 90s, and the estate has apparently been inherited by a nephew in the USA! So it may possibly come on to the market, so if any of you Whitneys out there have a deep enough pocket it could be yours! Just think of it - a genuine Coat of Arms [if you can prove descent from the Whitneys of Whitney of course!]

The reason you had a problem with the registers, etc. at St. Margaret's, Westminster is that since Civil Registration of Bs, Ms & Ds was introduced in 1837, virtually all church (Parish) Registers have been lodged with the Public Record Office. As you know, the LDS have been microfilming them over the years. When I was at the LDS British HQ in London a while back, the resident manager told me that at any one time the LDS has about TWENTY camera teams working in the UK alone - can you believe that? ... and still they have quite a lot to do. Some registers are still held by the parish vicar, some of whom unfortunately refuse access to the LDS. The Bishop's Transcripts may be of some help in such cases as these are held centrally.

You say: "our John was baptized there and Thomas and Mary were married there and buried there. Now if I could just prove that".

I was under the impression that the evidence was pretty clear. Am I mistaken? Allan wrote: "I believe it is quite clear that John Whitney ... was the son of Thomas Whitney, gentleman, of St. Margaret, Westminster, and his wife, Mary Bray. The records of that parish, which are held in the library of Westminster Abbey (where I was fortunate to see them), show the birth of a family of ten children .... . John, christened in 1592, was the fifth of these children. A good bit of this is fairly clearly spelled out in the Melville book, with a few additions from other and later sources."

I suspect it is unlikely that the Abbey would be willing to do genealogical research for you - and certainly not for free!

Best regards

John

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From: "Roger, Carolyn or Randy Winch" <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney Database Online ??? Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 23:14:47 -0600

Hi Cousins,

I have offered to put the Whitney11.ged file on the web in database format. The format would be like my current database at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gumby/genweb/Winch/Winch.html

I asked Jon Aston what he thought and he said to ask the group since so many of you have had a hand in building this database. Well, what do you think ???

Randy Winch

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From: [email protected] Subject: St. Margaret's Westminster Parish Register(s) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 01:05:08 -0500

Dear WRG:

In addition to the parish records stored at the Westminster Abbey Library, a transcription of these records from 1539 to 1699 are in the library of the British Society of Genealogists, where I have consulted them several times.

No one has ever come up with a marriage for John and Elinor - and I have

looked in Boyd's Marriage Index for every county in England for which it is available. I spent nearly two whole days last June in London at the BSG looking for that elusive item.

That John is the son of Thomas of Westminster is pretty well documented through the Parish Registers above, the apprenticeship records for John from 1607 to 1614 with William Pring, a master of the Merchant Taylor's Company, his later membership in that group, and then his sponsorship of his younger brother Robert as his apprentice between 1624 and 1632. Robert successfully completed his apprenticeship before John left for America in 1635, and was himself a member of the Merchant Taylor's Company, albeit not a very successful one, according to Paul Reed in his article. He died (Robert) in "limited circumstances" in the parish of St. Peter's Cornhill in 1662. This is described in much greater detail in Melville, with source citations from various records of the Merchant Taylor's Company.

John and Elinor resided in Isleworth for a while, with the first Mary, John and Richard being christened in that parish. They then show up in St. Mary Aldermary for the christening of Nathaniel, Thomas and the second Mary. I have not found a parish record of Jonathan's christening, but the family was supposedly residing in Bow Lane (wherever that is) in the years just before their departure. Bow Lane might be a street in the parish of St. Mary Aldermary, but if it was then one would expect him (Jonathan) to be recorded there. At this point, still a small mystery.

If anyone wishes more references or details, I'll have to dig up some old research notes from the paper files.

Remember, if you want copies of the VR *series*, you must ask. Volunteers still being accepted.

BTW, John, I ran into one of those rabidly anti-LDS Vicars in Slimbridge, just south of Gloucester, a few years ago. Not being sure of us either, he disappeared for fifteen minutes and hand copied the record we asked for rather than let us even see the Parish Registers - and one of Ginny's ancestors had been Rector there in the 1500's while also serving as a prebend of Gloucester Cathedral. His son was buried in the Lady Chapel at Gloucester.

Allan E. Green <[email protected]>

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From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Whitney Database Online ??? Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 09:28:53 EST

Yes, I think it would be nice if you published the data base online. Arv

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From: "Roger, Carolyn or Randy Winch" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Whitney Database Online ??? Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:40:23 -0600

Hi Allan,

I don't mind making the changes at all. I had a few more questions. Any ideas on what the submitter info should say ? Should I make the email address for the Whitney GED point to the list ? And should I add the names to GENDEX ? By-the-way 10 people have voted yes and none no so far. I can update the database as often as needed as changes come in (it takes on the order of 5 minutes).

Randy Winch

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> From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: Whitney Database Online ??? > Date: Thursday, December 05, 1996 2:10 PM > > Dear Randy: > > Basically, as one of the early members, I would vote yes - but with a sort of > proviso. There are some *facts* in the database represented by the > Witney11.ged that are just not correct. I can well appreciate that Jon is > very hesitant to *correct* material that others have sent him, but there is > some stuff in that database that came straight out of Ancestral File, warts > and all, and really should not be *published* without being fixed, or at > least clearly marked as questionable. Let me cite just a few examples: > > RIN #3 Elinor/Ellen Birthplace is shown as St. Margarets, Warwick, England. > There is no such parish anywhere in Warwickshire, certainly not in Warwick > itself, unless it is the name (dedicated to this particular Saint) of a > particular church in one of the Parishes with another, primary, name. For > example: I suppose the parish church in the parish of Alcester (first one on > the Warwickshire list) could be dedicated to St. Margaret, and be known > locally by that name, but that is NOT St. Margaret's Parish. On the other > hand, the parish of St. Margaret Westminster, in which John Whitney was > christened, is most certainly NOT in Warwickshire, it is on the grounds of > Westminster Abbey, about two blocks from Parliament, Big Ben, and Westminster > Bridge (which, by the way, leads to Lambeth of the famous Marsh). Further, > the date of 1618 is given as a marriage date without a *circa* or an

• about*

> (or a "bef 1619"), but has no place associated with it or any supporting > source to demonstrate its validity. Having spent countless hours hunting for > a record of this marriage, I am slightly sensitive to this one. > > RIN #2, John Whitney, in his list of children, it does not show both Marys, > the second of which is assumed to have died because of her not coming to > America. The first Mary is shown as having been born on 23 May 1619 - no > other data, when that is actually the christening date in Isleworth Parish. > This first Mary was buried from St. Mary Aldermary Parish in London on 15 > Feb 1626/7. The sixth child, Mary (2nd), was christened 29 Dec 1629, also in > St. Mary Aldermary, and I have found no record of her death. The first three > of John's children are shown in the gedcom as having been born in Isleworth, > which is correct. The remainder (up to Joshua) simply say England. > Nathaniel, the fourth child was probably born in St. Mary Aldermary, > although I can find no record of his christening in that parish. He was born > ca 1626 (according to his age in the passenger list, which may be a little > off). The family may have been in that parish then, because of the record > there of Mary(1)'s death in Feb. 1627, and #5 Thomas's Dec 1627 birthdate > there. Jonathan, b. ca 1633/4 is another problem, with no record in St. Mary > Aldermary of his birth. He simply turns up with the family when they left. > > I again want to emphasize that Jon Aston is NOT responsible for > discrepancies. He has simply taken on good faith what was sent to him, and I > am probably as guilty as anyone else of not sending him updated versions as I > added material to my records. > > Can anyone suggest a solution to this problem. I'm sure many of us can find > a few other items apiece that need fixing before publication. My problem is > that I don't feel I can volunteer to help with this work because I'm very > tied up right now with Peg and Jan working on the Vital Records of dozens of > MA towns. Randy, if you put it on a page that made it available, how much > trouble would it be to enter corrections and changes?? > I would like to hear other opinions on this idea about publishing on the web. > > Happy Hunting! > > Allan

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From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Whitney Database Online ??? Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:10:19 -0500

Dear Randy:

Basically, as one of the early members, I would vote yes - but with a sort of proviso. There are some *facts* in the database represented by the Witney11.ged that are just not correct. I can well appreciate that Jon is very hesitant to *correct* material that others have sent him, but there is some stuff in that database that came straight out of Ancestral File, warts and all, and really should not be *published* without being fixed, or at least clearly marked as questionable. Let me cite just a few examples:

RIN #3 Elinor/Ellen Birthplace is shown as St. Margarets, Warwick, England.

There is no such parish anywhere in Warwickshire, certainly not in Warwick

itself, unless it is the name (dedicated to this particular Saint) of a particular church in one of the Parishes with another, primary, name. For example: I suppose the parish church in the parish of Alcester (first one on the Warwickshire list) could be dedicated to St. Margaret, and be known locally by that name, but that is NOT St. Margaret's Parish. On the other hand, the parish of St. Margaret Westminster, in which John Whitney was christened, is most certainly NOT in Warwickshire, it is on the grounds of Westminster Abbey, about two blocks from Parliament, Big Ben, and Westminster Bridge (which, by the way, leads to Lambeth of the famous Marsh). Further, the date of 1618 is given as a marriage date without a *circa* or an *about* (or a "bef 1619"), but has no place associated with it or any supporting source to demonstrate its validity. Having spent countless hours hunting for a record of this marriage, I am slightly sensitive to this one.

RIN #2, John Whitney, in his list of children, it does not show both Marys, the second of which is assumed to have died because of her not coming to America. The first Mary is shown as having been born on 23 May 1619 - no other data, when that is actually the christening date in Isleworth Parish.

This first Mary was buried from St. Mary Aldermary Parish in London on 15

Feb 1626/7. The sixth child, Mary (2nd), was christened 29 Dec 1629, also in St. Mary Aldermary, and I have found no record of her death. The first three of John's children are shown in the gedcom as having been born in Isleworth, which is correct. The remainder (up to Joshua) simply say England.

Nathaniel, the fourth child was probably born in St. Mary Aldermary,

although I can find no record of his christening in that parish. He was born ca 1626 (according to his age in the passenger list, which may be a little off). The family may have been in that parish then, because of the record there of Mary(1)'s death in Feb. 1627, and #5 Thomas's Dec 1627 birthdate there. Jonathan, b. ca 1633/4 is another problem, with no record in St. Mary Aldermary of his birth. He simply turns up with the family when they left.

I again want to emphasize that Jon Aston is NOT responsible for discrepancies. He has simply taken on good faith what was sent to him, and I am probably as guilty as anyone else of not sending him updated versions as I added material to my records.

Can anyone suggest a solution to this problem. I'm sure many of us can find a few other items apiece that need fixing before publication. My problem is that I don't feel I can volunteer to help with this work because I'm very tied up right now with Peg and Jan working on the Vital Records of dozens of MA towns. Randy, if you put it on a page that made it available, how much trouble would it be to enter corrections and changes?? I would like to hear other opinions on this idea about publishing on the web.

Happy Hunting!

Allan

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From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]> Subject: Bellingham MA, VR's Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 20:39:18 -0500 (EST)

>Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 07:08:46 >To: Allan Green >From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]> >Subject: Bellingham MA, VR's > >>Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 15:26:49 >>To: WHITNEY >>From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]> >>Subject: Bellingham MA, VR's >> >> BELLINGHAM MA VITAL RECORDS-to 1850 >> New England Historic Geneologic Society >> >>BIRTHS-pg70-71 >> >>WHITNEY >> Betsey M.G., d. Nelson and Ruth M., Oct.17,1844. >> Dexter,______,1817. G.R.2. >> Henry Adalbert,s.Dexter and Adaliza, July 1,1842. >> Herbert Clifton, s.Ethan and Julia A. Oct.6,1849. >> Ida Alma,d.Ethan and Julia, Apr.7,1847. >> Laban,s.Laban and Olive, Jan.6,1815. >> Lauria Ann,d.Nelson and Ruth M., June 18,1849. >> Lemuel G.,s.Laban and Olive, Jan.4,1817. >> Lewis Edward,s.Dexter and Adliza, Sept.12,1844. >> Melissa R.,d.Nelson and Ruth M.,Jan 28,1847. >> Reuel,s.Laban and Olive, Dec. 3,1811. >> >>WHITNY >> Adeliza[_____],w.Dexter,_____,1812. G.R.2. >> >>MARRIAGES-pg157 >> >>WHITENY >> Pricilla of Medway, and Joel Adams, Mar.4,1801. >> >>WHITNEY >> Dexter and Adeliza Cook, Sept.26,1839. >> Ethan and Julia A.L.Bosworth, Nov.24,1842. >> >>DEATHS-pg220 >> >>WHITNE >> Elias, July 29,[1810], a.94. P.R.1. >> Leaben, June 20[1818], P.R.1 >> >>WHITNEY >> Harriette,d.Ethan and Betsey M., Mar. 15,1811, a.27. C.R.2.[Hariat,1841, >> a. 26, P.R.1.] >> Laura Ann, d. Nelson and Ruth M., consumption, Nov. 21,1849, a. 5m.4d. >> _______,ch.Nelson, Aug.6[1848]. P.R.1. >> >>WHITNY >> Helen E.,d.Dexter and Adeliza, Oct.17,1840, a. 1y. 1m. 18d. G.R.2.

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From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]>

Subject: Whitney VR's for Sherborn MA Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 20:39:58 -0500 (EST)

                       SHERBORN MA VITAL RECORDS to 1850

BIRTHS-pg92-4

WHITNEY

       ______, d. of Warren and Ann E., Aug. 22, 1847.
       ______, d. of Warren and Ann, Mar. 30, 1849.
       Aaron, s. of Daniel and Miriam, Feb.9,1772.
       Aaron, s. of Aaron and Ede, Sept. 15,1809.
       Abbie Barrett,[______],w.of Daniel,_____, 1846.  G.R.2.
       Abby,d. of Warren and Ann, Apr.11, 1846.
       Abigail, d. of James and Patience, Dec.11,1749.
       Almira, d. of James and Lois, Apr.15, 1814.
       Amanda Maria, d. of Isaac and Sally, July 21, 1824.
       Amos, s.of Daniel and Meriam, Mar. 30,1762.
       Ann Maria,d. of Lyman and Mary, Oct.6,1841.
       Ann Park, d. of Joseph and Sally, Nov. 6, 1808.
       Benjamen,s.of Benjamen and Hester, May 22,1709.
       Benjamin, s.of James and Martha, June 13, 1723.
       Benjamin,s.of James and Martha, Oct 23,1727.
       Benjamin, s. of James and Susanna, July 1, 1781.
       Benjamin, s.of James and Susanna, Mar.5,1785.
       Betsey,d.of Simeon and Achsah, Jan.22,1793.
       Daniel,s. of Elenor,Feb.27,1704-5.
       Daniel,s. of James and Elizebeth, Dec.13,1733.
       Daniel,s. of Daniel and Meriam, July 3,1768.
       Daniel,s.of Aaron and Ede, July 26, 1805.
       Daniel Leland, s. of Lyman and Mary, Nov.20, 1845.
       Doratha,d. of Jonathan and Susanna, Aug.28,1708.
       Elias,s.of Jonathan and Susanna, Nov.14,1716.
       Elizabeth, d.of John and Mary, Jan.29, 1690.
       Elizabeth,d.of Ezra and Mercy, June 29,1754.
       Elizabeth,d.of Aaron and Edy, July 16,1803.
       Elizebeth,d.of Daniel and Miriam,Apr.29,1765.
       Ella,d.of James R. and Susan A., Dec.15,1848.
       Ephraim,s.of Joseph and Rebeka, Mar.11,1715-6.
       Esther,d.of Joseph and Sarah. Sept.29,1796.
       Ezra,s.of James and Martha,Feb.22, 1729-30.
       Ezra,s.of John and Hannah, Aug.8,1781.
       Frank,s.of James R.amd Susan A.,Feb.12,1846.
       George,s.of Jonathan and Susanna, Aug.12,1721.
       George,s.of Joseph and Sally, Jan.2,1801.
       George Lyman,s.of Lyman and Mary,Aug.21.1848.
       Hanah,d.of John and Sarah,Sept.27,1697.
       Hannah,d.of Jonathan and Susanna, Feb.11,1714-5.
       Hannah,d.of John and Hannah, Mar.30,1775.
       Harriet,d.of Richard of Watertown, and Betsey Sparrowk,Mar.30,1812.
       Henry,s.of Joseph and Sally,Aug.5,1793.
       Isaac,s.of Jonathan and Sarah, Sept.27,1694.
       Isaac,s.of James and Susanna, Sept.4,1782.
       James,s.of John and Mary,Dec.28,1692.
       James,s.of Joseph and Rebecka, Mar.23,1714.
       James,s.of Benjamin and Esther,Oct.21,1755.
       James,s.of John and Hannah,May 1,1768. [twin]
       James,s.of John and Hannah,Sept.8,1779.
       James,s.of James and Lois, Sept.27,1816.
       Jane,d.of Isaac and Sally,Apr.9,1816.
       Jesse,s.of Jonathan and Susanna,Feb.8,1714.
       John,s.of Nathaniel and Sarah, Nov.27,1716.
       John,s.of John and Hannah, May 1,1768 [twin]
       John,s.of John and Hannah, May 15,177-[torn].
       John Fisk,s.of Aaron and Ede, Jan.31,1795.
       Jonas,s.of Joseph and Rebecka,June 7,1708.
       Jonathan,s.of Jonathan and Susanah, Oct.17,1704.
       Joseph,s.of Joseph and Rebecca,Mar.22,1710.
       Joseph,s.of James and Patience. May 7,1745.
       Joseph,s.of Benjamin and Esther,Dec.15,1762.
       Joseph Park,s.of Joseph and Sally, July 9,1798.
       Joshua,s.of Benjamin and Jane,Sept.21,1687.
       Kezia,d.of Jonathan and Susanah, July 31,1706.
       Lois,d.of James and Lois, Apr.16,1812.
       Loiza,d.of James and Lois,July 6,1804.
       Lydia,d.of Jonath[an] and Susanna,Mar.3,1711-2.
       Lydya,d.of John and Sarah,Apr.18,1695.
       Lyman,s.of James and Lois, June 1,1808.
       Martha,d.of James and Martha, Nov.9,1721.
       Martha,d.of James and Patience,Aug.16,1747.
       Martin,s.of James and Susanna,June 17,1787.
       Mary,d.of John and Mary, Mar.27,1689.
       Mary,d.of Jonathan and Susanah, May 28,1710.
       Mary,d.of James and Martha, May 12,1720.
       Mary,d.of Daniel and Meriam, May 12,1770.
       Mary,d.of Aaron and Edy,July 24,1801.
       Mary,d.of Isaac and Mary, May 12,1812.
       Mary Elizabeth,d.of Lyman and Mary, Nov.7,1843.
       Mehetable,d.of Jonathan and Susanna, Dec.27,1718.
       Micah,s.of James and Martha, June 4,1725.
       Mime,d.of Simeon and Achsah,Feb.3,1797.
       Miraam Leland,d.of Aaron and Ede, Nov.8,1811.
       Nath[anie]ll,s.of John and Hannah,July 10,1772.
       Patience,d.of James and Patience, Apr.25,1752.
       Patty,d.of John and Hannah, Jan.12,1778.
       Patty,d.of Isaac and Mary, Dec.1,1809.
       Phebe,d.of James and Lois, May 2,1806.
       Salla,d.of Joseph and Sarah, Dec.4,1794.
       Sally[_____],w.of Isaac Esq., Dec.16,1785. G.R.2.
       Sam[ue]l,s.of Joseph and Sarah, June 26,1806.
       Sarah,d.of Jonathan and Sarah, Mar.2,1693.
       Sarah,d.of Isaac and Sally, Dec.17,1817.
       Sarah Ann,d.of Isaac and Sally, Apr.17,1829.
       Sarah Hill,d.of Aaron and Ede,July 9,1813.
       Silvanus,s.of Joseph and Rebeckah,Feb.22,1711-2.
       Susanna,d.of Jonathan and Susanna, Jan.20,1702-3.
       Susanna,d.of Isaac and Mary, July 21,1807.
       Sylvester,s.of James and Louis,Apr.12,1810.
       Tabitha,d.of Jonathan and Sarah,Aug.22,1696.
       Warren,s.of Isaac and Sally, June 15,1819.

MARRIAGES-pg180-1

WHITNEY

       Aaron and Ede Fisk,Apr.30,1794.*
       Abigail and Ebenezer Foskett of Warwick, Oct.28,1773.*
       Abigail and Will[ia]m Dunton, both of Natick, Oct.2,1788.*
       Achsah,wid.,and Asa Lealand,Nov.26,1801.*
       Amos of Boston and Betsey Sawin of Natick, Dec.4,1817.*
       Benjamin Jr.and Mercy Trevis, Oct.24,1700.*
       Benjamin and Esther Lealand, Apr.18,1751.*
       Benjamin and Mary Fairbanks of Mendon, Feb.9,1792.  In Mendon.*
       Caroline S.,d.of James and Lois, a.25y., and James H. Wight of Dover,
               s.of Asa and Sybil of Dover, a.30y., b.in Dover,Nov.19,1846.
       Charles of Holliston and Susan(Susannah int)Sanger,Oct.2,1839.
       Daniel and Meriam Lealand, June 11,1761.*
       Elmira and Harrison G.O.Hooker, Nov.27,1834.
       Ezra and Mercy Morse, Feb.14,1754.*
       Hannah and Henry Pratt, Apr.23,1805.*
       Horatio of Watertown and Betsey Greenwood, June 4,1821.
       James of Framingham and Patience Lealand, Mar.18,1741-2.*
       James and Susanna Hill of Holliston, Apr.20,1780.*
       James of Natick,s.of James and Lois, a.28y., and Mary Ann Clark,
               d.of Alpheus and Nancy,a.28y.,May 9,1844.
       James R.,s.of Isaac and Sally, a.24y, and Susan A Cleale, d.of
               Joseph and Susan,a.22y.,May 15,1845.
       Jane and James N.Hill,Oct.22,1835.
       Jemima and Richard Bullard, Nov.12,1815.
       John of Framingham and Abigail Perry, Feb.8,1738-9.*
       John and Hannah Holbrook, Feb.5,1767.*
       John of Boston and Silence Holbrook,Sept.23,1811.*
       Joseph and Sarah Park of Framingham, Oct.3,1792. In Framingham.*
       Lois and Augustus H. Lealand, Feb.26,1833.
       Louisa and Cyrus Daniels of  Medway, Nov.29,1827.
       Lydia and Moses Adams, Apr.15,1684.*
       Lyman and Mary Leland, Mar.25,1841.
       Martha and Ezekeil Wood of Uxbridge, Oct.30,1765.*
       Martha and Moses Stratton of Natick, Sept. 12,1833.
       Mary and John Bullard, May 6,1792.*
       Mary and Moses Stratton,Dec.7,1831.
       Mary and Ebenezer Babcock, July 4,1833.
       Mercy and Thomas Frink of Sudbury,July 16,1719. In Sudbury.*
       Patience and Zacheriah Barbar, May 18,1775.*
       Patience,wid.,and Dea.Joseph Damon of Uxbridge,May 13,1759.In Uxbridge.*
       Persis and Solomon Gould of Medway,Nov.29,1792.*
       Phebe and Partridge Hill,int.Mar.21,1829.
       Susan and Charles Bonney of Walpole, Oct.20,1831.
       Sylvester and Fanny Sanger, May 2,1833.
       Warren and Ann E.Watson, int.Mar.24,1845.

       *intention not recorded

DEATHS-pg227-8

WHITNEY

       Aaron,Nov.29,1818, a.46y.  G.R.3.
       Abigail,d.of Jonathan and Lydia,June 7,1704.
       Abigail,d.of James and Lois, July 25,1825, a.2y.7m.  G.R.5.
       Benjamin,Cornet, Aug.29,1718(in his 40th y., G.R.1)
       Benjamin,Mar.26,1723.
       Benjamin,s.of James and Martha,Oct.12,1723.
       Benjamin,s.of James and Susanna, Sept.2,1781.
       Benjamin,Dea.,Dec.17,1793. G.R.5.
       Daniel,Hon,Esq.,Apr.6,1810, a.76y.  G.R.3.
       Daniel,Aug.24,1844, a.39y.  G.R.3.
       Ede(Ede Fisk,G.R.3),wid.of Aaron,Sept.1,1848, a.74y.4m.7d. Consumption.
       Elizabeth,wid of(Dea.James,G.R.1),Mar.31,1782,(in her 86th y.,G.R.1).
       Elizabeth,Aug.24,1824, a.21y. G.R.3.
       Hannah,wid of John,June4,1826, a.84y.
       Isaac,Dec.5,1690.
       Isaac Esq.,Sept.9,1844, a.61y.  Md. Consumption.
       James,Nov.30,1690.
       James Jr.,Jan.3,1754.
       James,s.of John and Hannah,May 1,1768.
       James,Dea.,Apr.10,1770,(in his 78th y.,G.R.1).
       James, May 30,1800, a.46 y.  G.R.5.
       Jane, w.of Benjamin, Nov.14,1690
       Jesse,s.of Jonathan and Suzanna, Mar.1,1714.
       John,s.of John and Hannah, May 1,1768.
       John,Lieut.,Feb.17,1825, a.82y.  G.R.5.
       John Fisk,s.of Aaron and Ede,July 18,1814(a.19y.5m., G.R.3)
       John Fisk 2d,Apr.30,1816, a.10w. G.R.3.
       Jonathan,Jan.1,1702-3.
       Joseph,s.of James and Patience,Sept.18,1746.
       Lidia,w.of Jonathan Sr.,Feb.3,1701-2.
       Marie Elalie,w.of Aaron,June 3,1849, a.37y.  Born in Seychelles
               Islands.  Cholera morbus.
       Martha,d.of James and Martha, Dec.17,1721.
       Martha,w.of James,July 1,1731.
       Martha,d.of James and Susanna, Dec.10,1809, a.18y. G.R.5.
       Mary,w.of John, Jan.13,1692.
       Mary,d.of James and Martha,May 24,1720.
       Mary,w.of Isaac, Oct.21,1813. a.26y. G.R.5.
       Miriam,wid.of Daniel Esq.,Dec.31,1817, a.77y.  G.R.3.
       Patty,d.of John and Hannah, Feb.22,1778.
       Sarah,d.of Isaac and Sally, Feb.23,1818, a.9w. C.R.5.
       Sukey,d.of James and Susanna, Dec.13,1799, in her 10th y. G.R.5.
       Susanna,wid.of James,Sept.25,1841, a.90y. 3m. G.R.5
       Sylvia,d.of James and Susanna, Nov.14,1813, a. 18y. G.R.5.
       Vespasian,s.of James and Lois, Sept.3,1821, a.2y.7m. G.R.5.

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From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney marriages for Charlestown MA Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 20:40:13 -0500 (EST)

                     WHITNEY MARRIAGES in CHARLESTOWN MA
               pub.New England Historic Genealogical Society

MARRIAGES Volume 1-part 1

pg-219 "An acct. of Marriages before Edward Emerson,Esq. Justice of Peace,vizt:" Joseph Whitnee & Rebeka Burge, both of Chelmsford, m.May 26, 1706.

pg-243 Robert Foskitt & Susannah Wittney,both of this town, m.by Simon Bradstreet,Min.,

       Nov.1,1715.

MARRIAGE INTENTIONS Volume 1-section II

pg-511 Thomas Conn of Charlestown & Sally Whitney of Chelmsford,entered Dec.28,1800.

pg-518 Mr. Alford Skilton of Charlestown & Miss Patty Whitney of Watertown, entered Sept.23,1804.

pg-530 Mr. Samuel Whitney of Boston & Miss Frances Goodenow of Charlestown, entered Nov.8,1808

pg-534 Mr. Eber Whitney & Miss Mehitable W. Nutting, both of Charlestown, entered Oct.31,1810.

pg-544 Mr. Joseph F. Tufts of Charlestown & Miss Hannah Whitney of Watertown, entered Mar.11,1815

pg-574 Simon Whitney,M.D. of Framingham & Miss Mary Walker of Charlestown, entered Apr.4,1824.

pg-583 Mr Charles Whitney of Charlestown & Miss Maria Emery of Chichester,N.H.,entered

       May 20,1826.

Mr.Thomas R. Spear & Miss Abby S. Whitney, both of Charlestown, entered July 23,1826.

MARRIAGE INTENTIONS Volume 2

pg-597 Mr. John S. Jones of Quincy & Miss Lucy A. Whitney of Charlestown, entered Apr.25,1829.

pg-611 Mr. Evans Anderson & Miss Mary Ann Whitney, both of Charlestown, entered Mar.3,1832

pg-617 Mr Thomas Hart[meaning Mr.Thomas Hartwell added above and in margin]of Shirley & Miss

       Eunice Whitney of Charlestown, entered May 25,1833.

pg-633-5 Mr. William Hurd & Miss Sopeia Whitney, both of Charlestown, entered Dec. 12,1835. Mr. Joseph W. Pennel of Malden & Miss Emily Whitney of Charlestown, entered Apr.1,1836.

pg-721 Mr John S. Whitney & Veleria[altered from Valiria] P. Johnson. both of the City of

       Charlestown, entered Nov.13,1847.

pg-745 Luther F. Whitney of Charlestown, 30,painter, b.Harvard, MA.,son of Richard

& Sally T.,

       1st mar., & L.Lorinda Carleton of Charlestown, 27, b.Boston, dau. of

William

       & Lydia, 1st mar.,entered Sept.15,1849

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From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney marriages for Charlestown MA Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 20:40:59 -0500 (EST)

                     WHITNEY MARRIAGES in CHARLESTOWN MA
               pub.New England Historic Genealogical Society

MARRIAGES Volume 1-part 1

pg-219 "An acct. of Marriages before Edward Emerson,Esq. Justice of Peace,vizt:" Joseph Whitnee & Rebeka Burge, both of Chelmsford, m.May 26, 1706.

pg-243 Robert Foskitt & Susannah Wittney,both of this town, m.by Simon Bradstreet,Min.,

       Nov.1,1715.

MARRIAGE INTENTIONS Volume 1-section II

pg-511 Thomas Conn of Charlestown & Sally Whitney of Chelmsford,entered Dec.28,1800.

pg-518 Mr. Alford Skilton of Charlestown & Miss Patty Whitney of Watertown, entered Sept.23,1804.

pg-530 Mr. Samuel Whitney of Boston & Miss Frances Goodenow of Charlestown, entered Nov.8,1808

pg-534 Mr. Eber Whitney & Miss Mehitable W. Nutting, both of Charlestown, entered Oct.31,1810.

pg-544 Mr. Joseph F. Tufts of Charlestown & Miss Hannah Whitney of Watertown, entered Mar.11,1815

pg-574 Simon Whitney,M.D. of Framingham & Miss Mary Walker of Charlestown, entered Apr.4,1824.

pg-583 Mr Charles Whitney of Charlestown & Miss Maria Emery of Chichester,N.H.,entered

       May 20,1826.

Mr.Thomas R. Spear & Miss Abby S. Whitney, both of Charlestown, entered July 23,1826.

MARRIAGE INTENTIONS Volume 2

pg-597 Mr. John S. Jones of Quincy & Miss Lucy A. Whitney of Charlestown, entered Apr.25,1829.

pg-611 Mr. Evans Anderson & Miss Mary Ann Whitney, both of Charlestown, entered Mar.3,1832

pg-617 Mr Thomas Hart[meaning Mr.Thomas Hartwell added above and in margin]of Shirley & Miss

       Eunice Whitney of Charlestown, entered May 25,1833.

pg-633-5 Mr. William Hurd & Miss Sopeia Whitney, both of Charlestown, entered Dec. 12,1835. Mr. Joseph W. Pennel of Malden & Miss Emily Whitney of Charlestown, entered Apr.1,1836.

pg-721 Mr John S. Whitney & Veleria[altered from Valiria] P. Johnson. both of the City of

       Charlestown, entered Nov.13,1847.

pg-745 Luther F. Whitney of Charlestown, 30,painter, b.Harvard, MA.,son of Richard

& Sally T.,

       1st mar., & L.Lorinda Carleton of Charlestown, 27, b.Boston, dau. of

William

       & Lydia, 1st mar.,entered Sept.15,1849

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From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney VR's for ATHOL MA Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 20:41:14 -0500 (EST)

                       ATHOL MA VITAL RECORDS to 1850
                            pub. Franklin P. Rice

BIRTHS-pg96-7

WHITNEY

       Abby M.,d.Lemuel and Almira,_____ __,1847. G.S.6.
       Almeda,d.Edward and Rhoda, April 15,1821.
       Alva,d.Nathan and Sina, March 6,1806.
       Ammi,s.Lemuel and Anna, June 1,1817.
       Anna,d.Nathan and Sina, March 30,1809.
       Bartholomew W.,s. William K. and Deborah, July 19,1825.
       Barzillia J.,s.William K. and Deborah, April 21,1822.
       Betcy Bowker,twin d.Moses and Tabitha,Dec.22,1804.
       Charles,s.Edward and Rhoda,July 21,1823.
       Deborah W.,d.William K.and Deborah,Oct.30,1823.
       Elbridge W.,s.William K. and Deborah, May 26,1819. At Dana.
       Esther Desire Fuller,d.Jacob and Sally, Oct.20,1844.
       Esther Maria,d.Lemuel and Anna,Nov.21,1818.
       Frances Adeliza,d.Elbridge W. and Sopha, Jan.5,1846.
       Freeman Bowker,twin,s.Moses and Tabitha,Dec.22,1804
       Gilbert H.,_____ __,1824. G.S.1
       Helen M.,w.Gilbert H.,_____ __,1827. G.S.1.
       Ira,s.Nathan and Sina,July 30,1807.
       John F.,s.William K. and Deborah,March 29,1828.
       John P.,July 14,1831. G.S.2.
       Josiah C.,s.William B. and Marilla L.,July 14,1843.
       Lewis J.,_____ __,1802. G.S.1.
       Mary W.,d.William K.and Deborah,March 16,1830.
       Melinda L.,w.Gilbert H.,_____ __,1826. G.S.1.
       Nancy,d.Edward and Rhoda,March 25,1818.
       Ruth,w.Lewis J.,_____ __,1803.  G.S.1.
       Sophia A.,w. E.W.,_____ __.1823. G.S.2.
       Susannah K.,d.William K. and Deborah, Nov.1,1820.
       Washburn Whiting,s.Lemuel and Anna,Nov.11,1820.
       William Wheeler,s.Nathan and Sina, March 12,1811.
       _____.d.William K. and Mary Ann,_____ __,____.[1844 or 1845.]

MARRIAGES-pg176

WHITNEY

       Abel of Orange and Sylvia Twichel, July 15,1810.
       Deborah(d.William K.) and Lyman Fox, Aug 20,1848.
       Elbridge W. of Petersham and Sophia Ann Billings, Oct.20,1841.
       Hannah and Abraham Roberts, both of Warwick, Nov.13,1777.*
       Hannah H. and Hiram Lewis Jr.,Oct.10,1841.
       Henry and Sally Twichell, Dec.28,1820.
       Irene of Petersham and Evi[Eri?]Twichel, Jan.1,1817.
       Lemuel of Warwick and Sally Pratt, int.Aug.18,1804.
       Lewis I. and Ruth Howard, July 18,1824.
       Nathan of Royalston and Sina Wheeler, May 16,1805.
       Phebe and Artemas Hancock of Templeton, Jan.5,1812.
       Susanna K. and Silas Fry, May 16,1840.
       William K and Mary Ann Billings,April 2,1843.

       *intention not recorded.

DEATHS-pg227

WHITNEY

       Francis A.,s.[d.?] Elbridge W. and Sophia A., Sept.17,1846,
               a. 8m. 12d. G.S.2.
       Isaac Henry,s.Moses and Tabitha, Oct.1,1804.
       Mr.Jonas, April 7,1776. C.R.
       Lucy, d.Chandler and Martha, Aug.19,1843, a. 16y.7m. Consumption.
       Martha, w.Chandler, Jan.8,1848, a.52. G.S.2.
       Mary[W.] d.William K.,[and Deborah], Sept 6,1846, a.16. Typhus fever.
       Patty, w.C.H.,Jan.8,1848, a.47.
       _____,ch.Moses, Oct.1,1804, a.2y. C.R.
       _____,ch.Saml.,Feb.7,1817, a.1y. C.R.
       _____,[Frances A.,above?],inf.d. Whipple, Sept.18,1846. Dysentary.

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From: [email protected] Subject: Witney.GED Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 21:10:07 -0500

Hello All;

I would like to comment on the updating of the Witneyn database. As you may know the database is constantly being added to, Witney12 was in progress before Witney11 was published to everyone on my request list, if changes are made to Witney11 "online" they will not be reflected in Witney12 and the effort will be lost at the next publication, so I strongly suggest that all changes be routed through me for inclusion in the following edition.

As to the changes, Allan is correct that I am sensitive to changing anothers data that I receive even tho I'm "convinced" that it is incorrect. A method of correcting errors is needed and I am open to suggestions. The first requirement I would think is receiving permission from the submitter, if they refuse and the data is "proven" to be incorrect, I then think that we need a means of assessing the counter argument. I don't believe that a popular vote for a position should suffice, rather it must be a discussion of data differences and an agreement on the validity of sources.

On the same subject I have been considering using the Vital Records as a source for the Births, Marriages, and Deaths in our database; the questions are can we use the VR's as indisputable sources? are they proven as true reproductions of the originals? (of the first two that I compared to our database one had the bap date in the VR before the dob listed in our database)

Please consider this dilemma carefully before we change an original input that may be the result of someones careful research.

Keep in touch

Jon Aston

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From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Whitney Vital Records now on the WWW Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 23:08:06 -0800

Fellow Whitney researchers,

I have formatted and posted the Whitney Vital Records copied by Peg Sanborn and others and sent to the list. You can find them at the following URL:

 http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/

Try it, you'll like it! I look forward to your comments, especially constructive criticism.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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From: Ronald Whitney <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 05:23:21 +0000

Hello All!

John Whitney has suggested that I should get a copy of Melville's book, or at least the first few chapters. I seem to remember someone in the group naming a bookstore that dealt in such merchandise. Please let me know if you know of a source.

On the issue of publishing Witney11. I would say yes, warts and all. As long as it can be updated when information is available, it should be no problem. Meanwhile, someone might see the posting and come up with just the documentation everyone is seeking. This approach has worked for me in relation to my wife's ancestors. I emailed, then snail mailed (when the email bounced) a source in RSL. Turned out to be a long lost cousin(she really wasn't lost, we just didn't know about her) who has done extensive research on that side of the family. Must have gained thousands of hours worth of information, not to mention finding new relatives. Our posting on the family treemaker homepage has been beneficial to several relatives of my daughter-in-law who happened to look there for information. Nuff said!

While I am on line, I want to publicly thank John Whitney for his assistance. I wanted to do this before, but he had not yet made himself known to the group and I didn't think it was my place to do so. Anyway, thanks John. I hope all of the rest of you pilgrims (to quote John Wayne) realize what an asset it is to have someone on the other side of the pond who is willing to help.

If any of you want to check out the Minnesota contingent, check in on our homepage. Meanwhile, Merry Christmas and Happy Honukkah.

Ron and Roxie Whitney E-mail: [email protected]

Homepage: http://www.Geocities.com/NapaValley/2212/

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From: "J. Michael Poston" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Whitney Database Online ??? Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 08:00:08 -0500 (EST)

I think the idea of a database online is essentially a good one. As one interested in one of the orphan Whitney lines, I hope that there will be some accommodation for them. Jeanne Muse should be consulted, I reckon.

If it should happen that I can tie my Jabez into the main structure of the Whitney kindred, I'd be pleased to see him available in the database.

Mike Poston

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From: [email protected] Subject: re. database errors/corrections Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 12:59:10 GMT

Jon and Allan, From: <[email protected]>

                                         John G. Whitney, Oxford, England

                  re. database errors/corrections
                  -------------------------------

This is certainly a sticky one! We all know how something which seems categorically correct can later turn out to be wrong! I think it would be very dangerous for anyone - or any appointed group even - to "decide" what is correct on behalf of others.

I would therefore suggest the following procedure:

a) someone (including the submitter) believes an item of information or

  detail to be incorrect or questionable and makes this known - with
  reasons - either to the Group or to the keeper of the database (KoD);

b) if in the judgement of the KoD the reasons are self-evident and/or

  sufficiently compelling (e.g. St. Margaret's, Warwick for Eleanor is
  just plain wrong - fact!) he/she marks that item with a "?" and
  suggests a correction, but does not delete the original!

c) If the basis of the doubt appears weak or arguable (e.g. someone has a

  different date from that shown and can say where it came from), then
  the KoD can choose to insert the "?" or may want to solicit other
  opinions first (e.g. in case it can easily be shown that the
  alternative date is probably wrong, or no more correct than the date
  shown, or something)

For both (b) and (c) it would seem both courteous and desirable to consult (but not be unduly constrained by) the submitter before taking any action. It would of course be necessary for the KoD to keep a record of the source of each query for future reference.

The thinking behind the above is that no one acts as "God", the original information is retained, and others are advised to be cautious - surely three important requisites of this process.

Regards

John

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> As to the changes, Allan is correct that I am sensitive to changing > anothers data that I receive even tho I'm "convinced" that it is > incorrect. A method of correcting errors is needed and I am open to > suggestions. The first requirement I would think is receiving permission > from the submitter, if they refuse and the data is "proven" to be > incorrect, I then think that we need a means of assessing the counter > argument. I don't believe that a popular vote for a position should > suffice, rather it must be a discussion of data differences and an > agreement on the validity of sources.

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From: "Vickie (Elam) White" <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY-FARNSWORTH-SHATTUCK Date: 06 Dec 96 17:29:24 EST

In the 2d Torrey Supplement (1995) it says that Jonathan FARNSWORTH married Ruth ____ (not SHATTUCK) (c1678 - ) and bases this on the "unpublished research" of John Plummer of Waterbury CT.

I had wondered about this connection myself, since John SHATTUCK supposedly died in 1675 so he couldn't have been Ruth's father. But I was hoping that perhaps Ruth's birthdate could be narrowed down enough to prove that she was indeed John's daughter. I really didn't want to give up one of my WHITNEY connections! Lucky for me I have others. <G>

Does anyone know if John Plummer's work has been published yet? Or does anyone know or have a good guess what Plummer has found to disprove the SHATTUCK line? Is it really only Ruth's birthdate or is there more to it? Where and when did they marry? Their marriage record isn't in the Groton VR and the "original" Torrey said they married by 1698, based on the birth of their daughter Ruth in April 1699. Since Ruth's surname appears in brackets, Torrey deduced her name from records other than a marriage record. Any idea what those records might have been?

I appreciate any help you can give me.

Vickie (Elam) White [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Subject: Worcester Marriage correction. Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 18:22:38 -0500

Greetings to the WRG:

Just a quick note to tell you that Jim Whitney ([email protected]) wrote me to tell me that there was a misprint in the Marriages for the town of Worcester, Worcester Co., MA. He tells me that the name of the woman who married Silas Whitney (his line) on 15 Apr 1758 should be Jane Pearson, not Porson as it was in the marriage listings I sent out, so please make that correction.

Exciting things are happening, aren't they! What great people we have - thanks to Randy Winch and Robert Ward for their Web postings and furnishing the URL's.

Peg Sanborn has tried an experiment with me, she has sent me a file (700000 bytes) that is a photo of a family home in Rindge, NH for a woman who married her Albert Whitney. I will download it when I go on-line to upload this batch of mail. Let's hope it works.

Happy Hunting :-) Allan

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From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Whitney Vital Records of Watertown to 1800 Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 20:47:29 -0800

Fellow Whitney researchers:

Here are the Watertown VR as requested some time ago. I only copied those which were dated 1800 or before, although the records continued to 1822. I also only copied vital records from these books, although there were many other records which might be of interest.

Regards,

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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Watertown Records, Comprising the First and Second Book of Town Proceedings, with the Land Grants and Possessions. Also, the Proprietors Book, and the First Book and Supplement of Births, Deaths and Marriages (1894)

p. 4: Joshua Whetny, s. John & Elinor Whetny, b. 15 5m 1635 p. 8: Caleb, s. John & Elinor Whitney, bur. 12 (5) 1640 p. 10: John Whetny, s. John & Ruth Whetny, b. 17 Sep 1643 p. 11: Benjamin, s. John & Elinor Whintey, b. 6 (4) 1643 p. 12: Nathanell Whetny, s. John & Ruth Whetny, b. 1 12m 1646 p. 13: Samuel Whetny, s. John & Ruth Whetny, b. 28 5m 1648 p. 14: Mary Whetny, d. John & Ruth Whetny, b. 23 2m 1650 p. 15: Richard Whetny & Martha Coldam, m. 19 1m 1650 p. 15: Joseph Whitny, s. John & Ruth Whitny, b. 15 Jan 1651 [1651/2] p. 16: Sarah Whetney, d. John & Ruth Whetny, b. 17 Mar 1653 p. 17: Sary Whetney, d. Richard & Marrthy Whetny, b. -- 8mo 1653 p. 17: Thomas Whetny & Mary Kedell, m. 11 11mo 1654 p. 17: Moyfes Whetny, s. Richard & Marrtha Whetny, b. 1 6mo 1655 p. 18: Johanah Whetny, d. Richard & Marrthy Whetny, b. 16 11mo 1656 p. 18: Thomas Whetny, s. Tho. & Mary Whetny, b. 24 6mo 1656 p. 18: Elizabeth Whetny, d. John & Ruth Whetny, b. 9 Jun 1656 p. 18: Jonathan Whetny & Lidia Jones, m. 30 Oct 1656 p. 19: Lidia Whetney, d. Jonathan & Lidia Whetney, b. 3 Jul 1657 p. 20: Deborah Whetny, d. Richard & Martha Whetny, b. 12 Oct 1658 p. 21: Jonnathan Whetny, s. Jonathan & Lydia, b. 20 Oct 1659 p. 21: John Whitney, s. Thomas & Mary Whitny, b. 19 May 1659 p. 21: Elinor Whitny, w. John Whitny Senior, d. 11 May 1659 p. 22. John Whitny, s. Thomas & Mary Whitny, d. 19 May 1659 p. 22: Rebeckah Whetny, d. Richard & Martha Whettny, b. 15 Dec & d. 10 Feb 1657 p. 22: John Whetny & Judah Clement, m. 29 Sep 1659 p. 22: Annah, d. Jonathan & Lydia Whetny, b. 28 Apr 1660 p. 22: John Whetny, s. Thomas & Mary Whetny, b. 22 6mo & d. 26 6mo 1660 p. 22: Richard Whetny, s. Richard & Marrtha, b. 13 Jan 1660 p. 23: Benjamin Whetny, s. John & Ruth Whetny, b. 28 9mo 1660 p. 24: Elisha Whetny, s. Richard & Martha Whetny, b. 26 Aug 1662 p. 24: John Whetny, s. Jonathan & Lyida Whetny, b. 27 4mo 1662 p. 24: Elieasor & Elnathan, ss. Thomas & Mary Whettny, b. 7 2mo 1662 p. 25: Mary Whetny, d. Thomas & Mary Whetny, b. 22 10mo 1663 p. 26: Josiah Whetny, s. Jonathan & Lydia Whetny, b. 19 May 1663 p. 26: John Shattuck & Ruth Whetny, m. 20 Jun 1664 p. 27: Bezaliell Whetny, s. Thomas & Mary Whetny, b. 16 7mo 1664 p. 28: Elin Whetny, d. Jonathan & Lidy Whetny, b. 12 Oct 1665 p. 28: Sary Whitny, d. Thomas & Mary Whetny, b. 23 Mar 1665 p. 30: James Whittny, s. Jonathan & Lidya Whettny, b. 25 9mo 1668 p. 31: Mary Whetny, d. Thomas & Mary, b. 6 aug 1668 p. 32: Jane Whettny, d. Benjamin & Jane Whettny, b. 29 7mo 1668 p. 32: Mary Whetny, d. Thomas & Mary, d. 6 Sep 1669 p. 33: Isaack Whetny, s. Jonathan & Lydia Whetny, b. 12 Jan 1669 p. 35: Mary Whetny, w. Jofhuah Whetny, d. 17 Mar 1671 p. 35: Isaiah Whetny, s. Thomas & Mary Whetny, b. 16 Sep 1671 p. 35: Ebeneazar Whetny, s. Richard & Martha Whetny, b. 30 Jun 1672 p. 36: Jofhuah Whetny & Abigall Tarball, m. last of Sept 1672 p. 36: Jofeph Whetny, s. Jonathan & Lidya, b. 10 Mar 1672 p. 36: John Whetney, widower, d. 1 Jun 1673 p. 36: John Whetny, widower, d. 1 Jun 1673 aged about 84 yeares p. 37: Nathanell Whetny & Sary Hagar, m. 12 Mar 1673 p. 37: Martha Whetny, d. Thomas & Mary Whetny, b. 30 Jan 1673 p. 38: Joseph Whittny & Martha Beech, m. 24 Jan 1674 p. 39: Nathanell Whetny, s. Nathanell & Sary Whetny, b. 25 Mar 1675 p. 40: Abigall Whetny, d. Jonathan & Lydia Whetny, b. 18 Aug 1675 p. 40: Jofeph Whetny, s. Jofeph & Martha Whetny, b. 15 Aug 1675 p. 43: Willyam Whetny, s. Joshuah & Abigall, b. last of Feb 1677 p. 44: Martha Whetny, d. Jofeph & Martha Whetny, b. 20 10mo 1677 p. 44: Elinor Whitny, d. Jonathan & Lidia Whitny, d. 23 9mo 1678 p. 44: Benjamin Whitny, s. Jonathan & Lidia Whitny, b. 6 Jan 1678 p. 44: Daniel Warin & Elizabeth Whetny, m. 19 10mo 1678 p. 45: Sary Whetny, d. Nathanell & Sary Whetny, b. 13 Feb 1678 p. 45: Thomas Whitney & Elizabeth Lawrance, m. 29 Jan 1678 p. 48: John Whetny, s. Jofeph & Marrtha Whetny, b. 29 Jul 1680 p. 49: John Whetny, s. Jofeph & Martha Whetny, b. 29 Jul 1680 p. 50: Daniel Herrington & Sary Whetny, m. 18 Oct 1681 p. 51: Ifaak Whetny, s. Jofeph & Martha, b. 10 Mar, d. 20 Mar 1681 p. 52: Ifaack Whetny, s. Jofeph & Martha Whetny, b. 26 Feb 1682 p. 53: Willyam Whetny, s. Nathaniell & Sary Whetny, b. 6 May 1683 p. 56: Benjamin Whetny, s. Jofeph & Martha, b. last of Jan 1684 p. 60: Abigall Whetny, d. Benjamin & Abigal, b. 3 May 1688 p. 62: Mary Whitny, d. Samuell & Mary Whitny, b. 30 Sep 1689 p. 65: John Whitny, d. 12 Oct 1692 p. 66: Elizabeth Whitny, d. Nathaniell & Sarah Whitny, b. 15 Dec 1692

Watertown Records, Comprising the Third Book of Town Proceedings and the Second Book of Births, Marriages, and Deaths, to the Endo fo 1737. Also, Plan and Register of Burials in Arlington Street Burying Ground (1900)

p. 2: Mary Whitny, d. Joseph & Martha Whitney, b. 21 Apr 1694 p. 3: John Whitny, s. Benajmin & Abigall Whitney, b. 15 Jun 1694 p. 3: Nathaniel Whittny & Mercy Robison, b. of Watertown, m. 7 Nov 1695 p. 6: Charls Chadwick & Sarah Whitney, b. of Watertown, m. 11 Apr 1699 p. 9: Nathaniel, s. Nathaniel & Mercy Whitny, b. 23 Jan 1695 p. 10: David, s. Benja. & Abigail Whittny, b. 16 Jun 1697 p. 10: James Whittny, s. Eliazer & Dority Whitny, b. 20 Nov 1697 p. 10: Eliazer Whitney, s. Eliazer & Dorith Whitny, d. 12 Feb 1697/8 p. 12: Joseph Whitny & Hiphzibah Flag, b. of Watertown, m. 10 Apr 1701 p. 13: farah Whitny, d. Nathaniel & Mercy Whitny, b. 3 Mar 1698/9 p. 13: fhedrick Whitny, s. Jonathan & Sarah Whitny, b. 12 Oct 1698 p. 15: Daniel Whitny, s. Benja. & Abigail Whitny, b. 17 Jul 1700 p. 17: Dority Whitny, d. Eliazer & Dority Whittny, b. 24 Apr 1700 p. 19: Jonathan Whitny, s. Jonathan & Sarah Whitny, b. 25 Nov 1700 p. 20: John Whitney & Sarah Cutting, b. of Watertown, m. 22 Feb 1703 p. 21: Amos Whitny, s. Nathaniel & Mercy Whitny, b. 19 Apr 1701 p. 21: Elifabeth Whitny, d. Nathaniel & Mercy Whitny, b. 23 Jul 1702 p. 21: Martha Whitny, d. Jofeph & Martha Whitny, d. 30 Oct 1702 p. 21: Ifaac Whitny, s. Jofeph & Martha Whitny, d. 1 Nov 1702 p. 21: Jofeph Whitny, Sr., d. 4 Nov 1702 p. 22: Anna Whitny, d. Jonathan & Sary Whitny, b. 24 May 1702 p. 23: William Whitny & Martha Peirce, b. of Watertown, m. 17 May 1706 p. 28: Jonas Whitney, s. Nethaniell & Mercy Whitney, b. 15 Dec 1703 p. 28: James Whitney, s. Nethaniell & Mercy Whitney, b. 2 Mar 1704/5 p. 29: Elnathan Whitney, s. Eliezer & Dorythi Whitney, b. 5 May 1705 p. 30: Amos Whetney, s. Jonathan & Sarah Whitney, b. 1 May 1705 p. 31: Sufanna Whitney, reputed dau. of Benjamin Whitney & Sarah Phillips, b. 28 Sep 1705, d. 28 Nov 1705 p. 34: William Whitney, s. William & Martha Whitney, b. 11 Jan 1706/7 p. 36: John Whitney of Stow & Elizabeth Barnard of Watertown, m. 2 Mar 1709/10 p. 36: Jonas Whitney, s. Eliazer & Dority Whitney, b. 1 Jun 1708 p. 40: Jonathan Ball & Sarah Whitney, b. of Watertown, m. 5 Jan 1709/10 p. 42: Isaac Whitney, s. John & Sarah Whitney, b. 2 Sep 1710 p. 42: Joseph Whitney, s. Benjamin & Elizabeth Whitney, b. 3 Dec 1710 p. 43: Judeth Whitney, d. William & Martha Whitney, b. 15 Nov 1708 p. 43: Zechariah Whitney, s. John & Sarah Whitney, b. 28 Dec 1711 p. 45: John Fiske & Mary Whitney, b. of Watertown, m. 7 Jun 1711 p. 45: Jonathan Warrin & Sarah Whitney, m. 4 Nov 1712 p. 49: Benjamin Whitney & Elizabeth Fiske, b. of Watertown, m. 1 Mar 1709/10 p. 50: Benjamin Whitney, s. Benjamin & Elizabeth Whitney, b. 14 Sep 1712 p. 50: Benjamin Whitney, Jr., d. 13 Nov 1713 p. 54: John Bond & Ruth Whitney, b. of Watertown, m. 7 Jul 1715 p. 54: John Knap of Newtown & Mary Whitney of Watertown, m. 13 Jul 1715 p. 55: Abraham Chamberlin of Roxbury & Mary Whitney of Watertown, m. 26 Oct 1716 p. 57: Samuel Whitney, s. Benjamin & Elizabeth, b. 22 Nov 1715 p. 59: Richard Sautle & Abigail Whitney, b. of Watertown, m. 18 Mar 1717 p. 61: Thomas Whitney & Hannah Smith, b. of Watertown, m. 1 Jul 1720 p. 64: Elizabeth Whitney, d. Benjamin & Elizabeth Whitney, b. 9 Mar 1718/9 p. 65: Thomas Whitney, dec. 20 Sep 1719 p. 68: Rebecca Whitney, d. David & Rebecca Whitney, b. 2 Nov 1721 p. 70: James Whitney & Mercy Flagg, b. of Watertown, m. 8 Nov 1722 p. 73: Benjamin Whitney, s. Daniel & Dorothy Whitney, b. 12 Apr 1723 p. 76: Mercy Whitney, d. James & Mercy Whitney, b. 5 Sep 1723 p. 80: Abigail Whitney, d. James & Mercy Whitney, b. 17 Mar 1725/6 p. 82: Eleazer Whitney, s. Thomas & Hannah Whitney, b. 30 Nov 1720 p. 82: Thomas Whitney, s. Thomas & Hannah Whitney, b. 2 Sep 1722 p. 82: Hannah Whitney, d. Thomas & Hannah Whitney, b. 17 Jul 1724 p. 82: Nathan Whitney, s. Thomas & Hannah Whitney, b. 23 Jul 1726 p. 84: Elnathan Whitney, dec. 8 Mar 1727/8 p. 86: Isaac Whitney & Elizabeth Gale, b. of Watertown, m. 3 Feb 1729/30 p. 87: Benjamin Whitney of Framingham & Margaret Sanderson of Watertown, m. 24 Feb 1731/2 p. 91: John Whitney, s. Elnathan & Sarah Whitney, b. 3 Mar 1730/1 p. 92: Dorothy Whitney, w. of Eleazer, dec. 22 Jun 1731 p. 93: Allen Whitney, s. James & Mercy Whitney, b. 19 Oct 1731 p. 100: Aaron Whitney, s. Elnathan & Sarah Whitney, b. 15 Jul 1734 p. 100: Eunas Whitney, d. James & Mercy Whitney, b. 3 May 1734 p. 102: Sufanna Whitney, d. Thomas & Sufanna Whitney, b. 17 May 1729 p. 102: Jofhua Whitney, s. Thomas & Sufanna Whitney, b. 14 May 1728 p. 103: Samuel Whitney of Weston & Elizebeth Haftings of Watertown, m. 8 Apr 1735 p. 105: Samuel Whitney, s. Elnathan & Sarah Whitney, b. 16 Jun 1736 p. 106: Mary Whitney, d. Benja. & Rebeccah Whitney, b. 12 Jul 1733 p. 106: Benja. Whitney, s. Benja. & Rebeccah Whitney, b. 25 Aug 1735 p. 107: Jofeph Whitney & Mary Childe, b. of Watertown, m. 19 Apr 1737 p. 107: John Whitney of Weston & Bethia Cutler of Watertown, m. 6 Oct 1737 p. 109: Allin Whitney, s. James & Marcy Whitney, d. 28 Apr 1736 p. 109: Eunice Whitney, d. James & Marcy Whitney, d. 29 Apr 1736 p. 109: Eunice Whitney, d. James & Marcy Whitney, b. 9 Jan 1737

Watertown Records, Comprising the Fourth Book of Town Proceedings and the Second Book of Births, Marriages, and Deaths, from 1738 to 1822 (n.d.)

p. 112: Joseph Whitney, s. Joseph & Mary Whitney, b. 13 Mar 1737/8 p. 115: Saml. Whitney, & Mary Clark, b. of Watertown, m. 1 Mar 1742/3 p. 116: Joseph Whitney, s. Joseph & Mary Whitney, b. 13 Mar 1738/9 p. 116: David Whitney, s. Joseph & Mary Whitney, b. 21 Jan 1740/1 p. 116: Benjamin Whitney, s. Daniel & Dorothy Whitney, b. 12 Apr 1723 p. 116: Abigail Whitney, d. Daniel & Dorothy Whitney, b. 5 Jun 1725 p. 116: Simon Whitney, s. Daniel & Dorothy Whitney, b. 20 May 1727 p. 116: Johanna Whitney, d. Daniel & Dorothy Whitney, b. 20 Sep 1729 p. 116: Mary Whitney, d. Daniel & Dorothy Whitney, b. 10 Sep 1731 p. 116: Dorothy Whitney, d. Daniel & Dorothy Whitney, b. 31 May 1733 p. 116: Daniel Whitney, s. Daniel & Dorothy Whitney, b. 7 Dec 1735 p. 116: Joshua Whitney, s. Daniel & Dorothy Whitney, b. 3 Apr 1737 p. 116: Henry Whitney, s. Daniel & Dorothy Whitney, b. 31 Dec 1738 p. 116: Israel Whitney, s. Daniel & Dorothy Whitney, b. 6 Aug 1741 p. 119: Jonathan Whitney, s. Joseph & Mary Whitney, b. 12 Apr 1743 p. 121: Henry Whitney, s. Benjamin & Deliverance Whitney, b. 8 Jan 1745/6 p. 121: Rebecca Whitney, d. Benjn. & Rebecca Whitney, b. 4 Feb 1738/9 p. 121: Samuel Whitney, d. Benjn. & Rebecca Whitney, b. 17 Apr 1742 p. 121: Josiah Whitney, s. Benjn. & Rebecca Whitney, b. 16 Jun 1746 p. 123: Edmund Fowle & Abigail Whitney, b. of Watertown, m. 9 May 1745 p. 125: Micah Whitney of Natick & Lydia Mafon of Watertown, m. 11 Nov 1747 p. 125: John Warrin & Sufanna Whitney, b. of Watertown, m. 27 Jul 1749 p. 127: Lydia Whitney, d. Benjamin & Deliverance Whitney, b. 15 Sep 1745 p. 127: Sarah Whitney, d. Benjamin & Deliverance Whitney, b. 1 Sep 1749 p. 131: Grace Whitney, d. Daniel & Dorothy Whitney, b. 22 Oct 1744 p. 131: Elisha Whitney, s. Daniel & Dorothy Whitney, b. 27 Feb 1747 p. 131: Luce Whitney, d. Daniel & Dorothy Whitney, b. 30 Jun 1749 p. 133: John Cook & Joanna Whitney, b. of Watertown, m. 20 Sep 1750 p. 133: Nathaniel Coollidge, Jr. & Dorothy Whitney, b. of Watertown, m. 19 Sep 1751 p. 134: John Whitney of Waltham & Mary Benjamin of Watertown, m. 4 Jul 1753 p. 139: Simon Whitney & Mary Ruggles, b. of Watertown, m. 26 May 1757 p. 141: Nathaniel Ruggles Whitney, s. Simon & Mary Whitney, b. 19 Mar 1759 p. 143: Dorothy Whitney, d. Simon & Mary Whitney, b. 22 Jul 1760 p. 144: Dorothy Whitney, d. Simon & Mary Whitney, d. 9 Aug 1761 p. 145: Mary Whitney, d. Simon & Mary Whitney, b. 10 Jan 1762 p. 146: Joseph Whitney & Elizabeth Goddard, b. of Watertown, m. 3 Jul 1760 p. 147: John Woodbridge of So. Hadley & Mary Whitney of Watertown, m. 10 Jun 1762 p. 148: Mary Whitney, wf. of Samuel Whitney, d. 17 Aug 1763 p. 149: Benjamin Whitney, s. Henry & Hannah Whitney, b. 10 Mar 1769 p. 151: Ezekiel Whitney of Watertown & Katharine Draper of Roxbury, m. 6 Dec 1763 p. 151: Samuel Whitney & Lydia Prentice, b. of Watertown, m. 15 Jan 1765 p. 151: Josiah Bisco & Grace Whitney, b. of Watertown, m. 30 Sep 1765 p. 151: Jonathan Whitney & Sufanna Norcrofs, b. of Watertown, m. 10 Oct 1765 p. 152: Benjamin Dana of Cambridge & Lucey Whitney of Watertown, m. 22 May 1766 p. 152: Abraham Whitney & Elizabeth Whitney, b. of Watertown, m. 10 Jul 1766 p. 156: Stephen Whitney & Relief Stearns, b. of Watertown, m. 10 May 1770 p. 156: Abraham Whitney of Watertown & Mary Mead of Waltham, m. 3 Dec 1772 p. 160: Stephen Whitney, s. of John & Susanna Whitney, b. 14 Aug 1743 p. 160: Stephen Whitney, s. Stephen & Relief Whitney, b. 25 Jan 1771 p. 160: Releif Whitney, d. Stephen & Relief Whitney, b. 11 Nov 1772 p. 160: Lucy Whitney, d. Stephen & Relief Whitney, b. 19 Oct 1774 p. 160: Anna Whitney, d. Israel & Jemima Whitney, b. 1 Jun 1767, d. same day p. 160: Jemima Whitney, d. Israel & Jemima Whitney, b. 23 Jul 1768 p. 160: Mary Whitney, d. Israel & Jemima Whitney, b. 22 Feb 1769 p. 160: Dorothy Whitney, d. Israel & Jemima Whitney, b. 10 Nov 1771 p. 160: Israel Whitney, s. Israel & Jemima Whitney, b. 7 Mar 1774 p. 160: Israel Whitney, d. 11 Sep 1774 in 34th yr. p. 166: Nathaniel Ruggles Whitney, s. Nathaniel Ruggles & Abigail Whitney, b. 25 Mau 1782 p. 167: Abijah Whitney, s. Stephen & Relief Whitney, b. 10 Aug 1776 p. 167: Lois Whitney, d. Stephen & Relief Whitney, b. 26 Jun 1779 p. 167: Nancy Whitney, d. Stephen & Relief Whitney, b. 15 Oct 1782 p. 168: Patty Whitney, d. Nathaniel Ruggles & Abigail Whitney, b. 10 Feb 1784 p. 169: James Bradish Whitney, s. Nathaniel Ruggles & Abigail Whitney, b. 23 Mar 1786 p. 170: Sufanna Whitney, d. Jonathan & Sufanna Whitney, b. 23 May 1766 p. 170: Mary Whitney, d. Jonathan & Sufanna Whitney, b. 10 Jan 1767 p. 170: Jonathan Whitney, s. Jonathan & Sufanna Whitney, b. 15 Dec 1769 p. 170: Joseph Whitney, s. Jonathan & Sufanna Whitney, b. 16 Jun 1774 p. 170: Samuel Whitney, s. Jonathan & Sufanna Whitney, b. 6 May 1776 p. 171: James Bradish Whitney, s. Nathaniel Ruggles & Abigail Whitney, b. 23 Mar 1786 p. 171: Francis Whitney, s. Nathaniel Ruggles & Abigail Whitney, b. 29 Jun 1788 p. 175: Mary Kemball Whitney, d. Daniel & Mary Whitney, b. 2 Apr 1775 p. 175: Katharine Whitney, d. Daniel & Mary Whitney, b. 21 Feb 1777 p. 175: Daniel Whitney, s. Daniel & Mary Whitney, b. 8 Nov 1778 p. 175: Charls Whitney, s. Daniel & Mary Whitney, b. 16 Nov 1780 p. 175: Israel Whitney, s. Daniel & Mary Whitney, b. 14 Aug 1782 p. 175: Dorothy Whitney, d. Daniel & Mary Whitney, b. 4 Aug 1784 p. 175: Grace Whitney, d. Daniel & Mary Whitney, b. 6 Jan 1789 p. 175: Simon Whitney, s. Simon & Mary Whitney, b. 22 Jul 1760, d. 9 Aug 1761 p. 175: Mary Whitney, d. Simon & Mary Whitney, b. 10 Jan 1762, d. 26 Jun 1765 p. 175: Nathaniel Ruggles Whitney, s. Simon & Mary Whitney, b. 19 Mar 1759 p. 175: Grace Whitney, d. Simon & Mary Whitney, b. 12 Jul 1763, d. 5 Spe 1763 p. 175: Mary Whitney, wf. Simon, d. 12 Mar 1773 p. 175: Sarah Whitney, d. Simon & Sarah Whitney, b. 25 Jun 1775 p. 175: Simon Whitney, s. Simon & Sarah Whitney, b. 18 Apr 1778 p. 175: Richard Whitney, s. Simon & Sarah Whitney, b. 2 Jan 1782 p. 176: Ezekiel Whitney, s. Ezekiel & Katharine Whitney, b. 13 Apr 1768 p. 176: Francis Whitney, s. Ezekiel & Katharine Whitney, b. 23 Sep 1771 p. 176: Amafa Whitney, s. Ezekiel & Katharine Whitney, b. 4 May 1774 p. 176: Catey Whitney, d. Ezekiel & Katharine Whitney, b. 4 Mar 1777 p. 176: Aaron Whitney, s. Ezekiel & Katharine Whitney, b. 20 Jun 1780 p. 177: Hannah Whitney, d. Nathaniel Ruggles & Abigail Whitney, b. 5 Jul 1791 p. 179: Elisha Whitney, s. Daniel & Mary Whitney, b. 21 Jul 1792 p. 179: Deliverance Whitney, d. Benjamin & Deliverance Whitney, b. 20 Nov 1757 p. 179: George Call Whitney, s. Nathaniel Ruggles & Abigail Whitney, b. 18 Aug 1793 p. 182: Phinehas Jennison, Jr. & Sally Whitney, b. of Watertown, m. 22 Jul 1792 p. 183: John Dudley of Lincoln & Polly Whitney of Watertown, m. 29 Aug 1793 p. 183: Isaac Taylor of Acton & Betsey Whitney of Watertown, m. 20 Oct 1793 p. 184: William Whitney, s. Nathaniel Ruggles & Abigail Whitney, b. 20 Oct 1795 p. 185: Simon Whitney, s. Nathaniel Ruggles & Abigail Whitney, b. 30 Oct 1797 p. 188: Moses Whitney of Watertown & Jane Polley of Watertown, m. 11 Sep 1796 p. 191: John Whitney, s. Nathaniel Ruggles & Abigail Whitney, b. 16 Oct 1800 p. 195: Jeremiah Knowlton & Sukey Whitney, b. of Watertown, m. 13 Apr 1800 p. 195: Ezekiel Whitney & Catharine Anson, b. of Watertown, m. 16 May 1799 p. 212: James Bradish Whitney, d. 31 Aug 1815 p. 225: Jonathan Whitney, Jr., of Watertown & Lucy Park of Lincoln, int. 22 Feb 1793 p. 226: John Dudley of Lincoln & Polly Whitney of Watertown, int. 9 Aug 1793 p. 226: Isaac Taylor of Acton & Betsey Whitney of Watertown, int. 26 Oct 1793 p. 227: Moses Whitney & Jane Polley, b. of Watertown, int. 27 Aug 1795 p. 228: James Simmons & Sally Whitney, b. of Watertown, int. 25 Mar 1797 p. 228: Lemuel Whitney of Watertown & Grace Esty of Newton, int. 2 Jun 1798 p. 228: Joseph Whitney, Jr., of Watertown & Rebecca Priest of Groton, int. 25 Jun 1798 p. 229: Jeremiah Knowlton & Sukey Whitney, b. of Watertown, int. 20 Apr 1799 p. 229: Ezekiel Whitney, Jr. & Catharine Anson, b. of Watertown, int. 26 Apr 1799

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From: Ron & Marsha Bokleman <[email protected]>

Subject: Jonathan Whitney Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 00:12:18 -0500

I have the folowing

 Jonathan Whitney, Deacon
         b. Feb 26, 1698/99  Stow, Middlesex, Massashusetts
         m. Jan. 29, 1717/18 Lancaster, Worcester, Massachusetts
         d. Nov. 08, 1773    Harvard, Worcester, Massachusetts

wife Alice Willard

         b. Dec. 1699

         Father  Simon Willard
         Mother  Mary Whitcomb

children:

        Simon Whitney  b. 1719

        Jonathan Whitney  b. Stow, Massachusetts
                          m. Nov. 27, 1746  Harvard, Mass.
                          wife  Sarah Holt

        Betsey Whitney

        Phineas Whitney   b. Sept. 05, 1727

        Caleb Whitney     b. Oct 04, 1729

        Oliver Whitney    b. July 22, 1731

        Alice Whitney     b. April 02, 1733

        Hezekiah Whitney  b. April 14, 1735

        Ruhamah Whitney   b. July 19, 1737

        Sarah Whitney     b. June 10, 1740   d. Dec. 26, 1746

Jonathan Whitney signed the covenant of the 1st church at Harvard, Mass. in 1733. Was a deacon, selectman, and captain of the militia.

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From: [email protected] Subject: Cheshire and Oxfordshire [UK] Whitneys Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 12:09:41 GMT

                                  From: <[email protected]>

Hello again, John G. Whitney, Oxford, England

                  Cheshire and Oxfordshire Whitneys
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First, a reference to the Hereford/Cheshire Whitney connection(s) ...

Both my grandfather (born 1845) and his great uncle Thomas Whitney of Hereford and Bath (born around 1780) were quite interested in their Whitney ancestral line. My grandfather bought a copy of Melville's book "The Ancestry of JW" directly from Melville for $4 in 1898 (I have a copy of the correspondence between them). He also acquired a book by Henry Green, published in 1866 - "A Facsimile Reprint of Geoffrey Whitney's "A Choice of Emblemes", the latter being originally published in 1586. This Geoffrey (Geffery) WHITNEY came from Coole Pilate in Cheshire.

The other day Ed Sinker wrote: "I went to the Hereford Library today to look at their copy of the Henry Melville book 'The Ancestry of John Whitney'. It is one of the original 600 which were published. It is a cream coloured volume which has two ribbons to tie it closed with rough edged, irregular cut paper, inside a case. It does not look like it has been looked at very often since it was purchased in 1896 since some of the pages remain unslit. .... Inside the book were some newspaper clippings, including the following [dating from around 1900]:-

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                        ANCIENT  POETS
            To the Editor of the Hereford Journal

Sir, - I was interested in reading about the ancient Hereford poet in the "Hereford Journal," and think it may not be known to all your readers that they share honours with Cheshire in a much earlier poet. As I know your space is very valuable, I only enclose a short notice of the poet, and one of the emblems, which is not otherwise than up to date in advice.

              Yours truly,
                   Constance Whitney,

40, Rose Hill Road,

  Wandsworth Common,
    London, S.W.
                         ____________
              [here follows an 18 line "emblem"]
                         ____________

"Geffery Whitney the poet was a descendant of the Whitneys of Whitney, near Hereford. He was born in Nantwich in Cheshire about 1548. He studied at Oxford, and went from there to Magdalen College, Cambridge. He afterwards entered the University at Leyden; and having become a great classic scholar, he there, in 1586, wrote, compiled, and had printed his book of poems entitled "A Choice of Emblemes," They were dedicated to the Earl of Leicester, whose handsome armorial bearings form the frontispiece. Geffery Whitney and his poems appear to have been dead to the world for some centuries, but in 1866 they revived again, and were reproduced in fac-simile by Mr. Henry Green. ... etc [snip]

                          ____________

[By an amazing coincidence, this Constance Whitney was my grandfather's

      sister - JGW]
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The Henry Austin Whitney connection

I spent half a day at the Boston Public Library (BPL) in 1989, and had a good browse through the old Watertown maps, etc. and through various books, including one by Henry Austin Whitney, "Brief account of descendents of J & E Whitney, etc." - also Pirce and some others. Unfortunately I ran out of time before I could visit the NEHGS, and although I have been to Boston since then I have not yet done so.

Now to the specific subject of Henry and Samuel Austin Whitney. I have a copy of the Henry Green book mentioned above, in which he includes some detail on Geoffrey Whitney's Cheshire/Hereford connections, etc., and in particular he describes how in Feb. 1866 he heard from Henry Austin Whitney of Boston who had visited Leyden in Holland a short while after Green, where he (HAW) found out about Green's forthcoming book. He goes on to mention "Mr Samuel Austin Whitney of Glassboro, New Jersey, Horatio G. Somerby, Esq. ...". SAW was HAW's nephew, if my BPL notes are correct. Perhaps Horatio G. Somerby was a genealogist ?

Green and HAW corresponded, and in his 1866 book Green gratefully acknowledges and reproduces a pedigree chart apparently compiled by SAW and later by Somerby. The chart purports to show that the 1635 JW descended from the Whitneys of ISLIP in Oxfordshire, his father being a Richard Whitney. Several Wills are quoted from, and these certainly exist; copies are located right here in the Oxford Record Office, and I have checked a couple at random. I am not sure why Somerby or Whitney thought that this John was the emigrant, although the date is OK. I hope to pursue this.

Can anyone (Allan?) confirm that no-one has yet found any evidence from the Watertown, etc. records to link John back to Westminster (or anywhere else for that matter)?

Henry Green states that HAW had printed in Boston several copies of various documents relating to his Whitney research in England, which Green lists in detail (see below) although he does not reproduce them all. Oddly, ALTHOUGH MELVILLE HIMSELF QUOTES from the Henry Green book, he does not refer to the Islip connection. On second thoughts it is perhaps to be expected, since it disagrees completely with Melville's research 30 years later!

I have no idea whether the research carried out by HAW/SAW/HGS is any more or less valid than that of Melville et al. I am familiar with the "TAG" articles by Jacobus and Reed. On the other hand - with one exception - I have seen no mention of the "Islip" research since it was carried out, and this puzzles me. I did see a mention of it at the Boston Public Library when browsing through J.J. Minot, "Ancestors & Descendents of Henry Austin Whitney", 1934. Minot states that the emigrant's father was "either Thos. W. of Lambeth Marsh, or Richard W. of Islip". Maybe he found the Islip reference in one of HAW's books ?

The Whitneys of Islip [which by pure coincidence is about 5 miles from my home here near Oxford] were quite numerous in the 15th-19th centuries, and I have heard from various people both in the UK and in Australia whose ancestors lived in that area. Sometimes the name is spelt WITNEY, probably because of the town of that name about 10 miles West of Oxford [the same thing happens now!]. Another strange coincidence which has only just occurred to me is that in 1879 my grandfather Edward Underwood Whitney - who lived in WESTMINSTER next to the St. Margaret's church - married Florence Aime of .... LAMBETH [As Arv and Allan have pointed out, it is no longer a marsh!].

I am curious to know whether the Austin-Whitneys' and Somerby's records of their respective researches while in England, and perhaps the pedigree charts listed below, are actually in the NEHGS archives. I recall a reference in HAW's book to the NEHG Register. By the way, the HAW book I refer to is "Brief account of the descendents of J & E Whitney, etc." pub. 1857, BPL ref. # 4432.256. There must be a large amount of information in these charts, and if they are all as soundly based as the Chinnor & Islip one [refs. to Wills, etc] they would be very well worth searching for. Tell me - someone out there has them all !! Great! - please send me copies!

I would like to familiarise myself with as much as possible of the research material which exists relating to the ancestry of JW. One day - after I retire - I may be able to shed some more light on the subject. So please let me have any comments you feel might be relevant. I would be interested to know if any of the names mentioned above or below are familiar to you - maybe a relative?

Best regards to all,

John [PS - Ron: thankyou for your kind remarks!]

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Here are a couple of extracts from Henry Green's 1866 book. The first is the Whitneys mentioned in the List of Subscribers to the book. The second is from HG's notes on the material sent to him by HAW, or printed for HAW in Boston ....

(i) Henry Austin Whitney; Joseph Whitney; Henry Lawrence Whitney; Joseph

    Cutler Whitney; Ellerton Pratt Whitney; Miss Elizabeth Whitney [all
    these of Boston, Mass]; Miss CONSTANCE WHITNEY; Thomas Heston Whitney
    of Glassboro', NJ.

(ii) "Received from HAW: (a) MSS copy of the Will of Geoffrey Whitney the

    poet, lately extracted from the original by Horatio G. Somerby; (b)
    Memoranda relating to families of the name Whitney in England; (c)
    Wills relating to the name of Whitney in Buckinghamshire &
    Oxfordshire, England, 1549 to 1603, with a Pedigree."

"Of the Memoranda, ten copies were printed on royal 4to, pages 11, at Boston, USA, April 1859; and of the Wills twelve copies on royal 4to, pages 23, were privately printed at Boston, USA, October 10th, 1865 ...."

HAW lists 16 Whitney Pedigree charts. Only the two shown with * are reproduced in Green:

• 1: Whitney of Whitney [-on-Wye], Herefordshire;

  2: Whitney of Clifford, Herefordshire;
  3: W.s of Herefordshire;
  4: W. of Llandbeder, Radnor (Wales);
  5: W. of Coole [Pilate], Cheshire;
  6: W.s of Cheshire;
  7: W. of Picton, Cheshire;
  8: W. of Barthomley, Cheshire;
  9: W.s of London;
 10: W.s of Shropshire;
 11: W. of Brook Walden, Essex;
 12: W. of Surrey;

• 13: W. of Chinner [+] of Islip, Oxfordshire; [+ Chinnor today]

 14: W. of Holt, Worcestershire;
 15: W.s of various counties, viz: Bucks, Suffolk, Oxon, Norfolk, York,
        Warwick, Wilts, Bristol, Northants, Lincoln;
 16: W. of Watertown, NE.

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From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Abraham Whitney Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 12:41:51 -0800

Jan Whitaker wrote: > > Dear Cousins, I have in my possession a photocopy of a personal paper of > one Abraham Whitney, written on Apr. 9th 1858, and titled "Some Religious > Experiences of Abraham Whitney". The subject may not interest you, but it > includes many observations of his life and times and is handwritten and > quite legible. I would gladly send it to anyone who can identify him from > the following clues in his paper. (I haven't been able to) He seems to > have been a bachelor, so wouldn't have direct descendents, but perhaps > someone out there is related. About 1811 he lived in Westminster, MA, > working for Reubin Bond in the "Clothier Business", and soon after, his > mother died in Bolton, MA. (His brother came to give him the news) Circa > 1812-13, he was in Hingham,MA working in a woolen factory, when he was > called to defend the nearby town of Cohasset from the British in the "War > of 1812"(he later refused bounty land, for religious reasons). In 1815, he > worked for his cousin Samuel Houghton of Bolton, after three months, he > went to work in Pembroke, MA, then returned to Bolton, at which time his > father was still living. On May 31, 1815 he entered the Shaker Community > in Harvard, MA. Hope someone can identify him. Jan

This was Abraham-6 WHITNEY, b. 17 Apr 1785, Bolton, MA (VR), son of Elijah-5 and Sarah (STEARNS) WHITNEY. Sarah died in Bolton 3 Oct 1812. His further ancestry shows two lines of descent from John-1 and Elinor (-----) WHITNEY:

                Abraham-6 WHITNEY
        Elijah-5 WHITNEY, m. Sarah STEARNS
        Abraham-4 WHITNEY, m. Sarah-5 WHITNEY
                              John-4 WHITNEY, m. Elizabeth BARNARD

Isaiah-3 WHITNEY, Thomas-3 WHITNEY

 m. Sarah WOODWARD              m. Elizabeth LAWRENCE
        Thomas-2 WHITNEY, m. Mary KEDALL
        John-1 WHITNEY, m. Elinor -----

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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From: "Merton L. Alexander" <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney/Cady of MA Date: 07 Dec 96 13:12:52 EST

Joanna Whitney was married to John Cady b. 15 Jan 1650/1 of Watertown, MA. They apparently had a dau. Hannah Cady, b. at Groton, Ma? This Hannah Cady md. Samuel Warner 15 Oct. 1706 at Groton. Looking for infor. on this Whitney-Cady connection.

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From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney VRs for Boxborough Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 16:50:38 -0500 (EST)

                       BOXBOROUGH MA VITAL RECORDS to 1850
                     New England Historic Geneologic Society

BIRTHS-pg27

WHITNEY

       Molly,d.of Eliphalet and Sarah, bp.May 14,1786. C.R.
       Sarah,d.of Eliphelet and Sarah, Feb.5,1784.
       Susannah,d.of Joshua Jr. and Marcy, Apr.14,1771.

MARRIAGES-pg59

WHITNEY

       Jerome B. and Elvira H. Hoar,both of Pepperell, Jan.19,1837.*
       Jonah of Harvard, and Lydia Witherbee, May 11,1786. C.R.*
       Joshua and Abigal Holt, May 27,1790.*
       Justin of Harvard, and Mary Cotton, Nov.7,1827.
       Lucy and Tower Hazard, Oct.24,1817. C.R.
       Mercy and Ephraim Hosmers, in Acton, Nov.6,1783.*
       Percis of Harvard, and Simeon Wetherbee Jr.,int. Dec.2,1821.
       Rachel of Harvard,and Amos Batchelor,int. Nov.22,1812.
       Salley and Loammi Burges, Dec.13,1791.*
       Sarah of Stow, and Phineas Wetherbee, int. Nov.9,1816.

       *intention not recorded

DEATHS-pg77

WHITNEY

       Charles,Apr.1,1797, a.65y.2m.  C.R.
       Joshua, Dea.,Mar.15,1787, a.80y.  C.R.
       Mary,w. of _____, Feb.27,1788, a. 89y.,"or 94y.as some say."  C.R.
       Rebeckah, wid. of Charles, June 13,1817, a. 84y.  C.R.

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Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 17:08:13 -0500 (EST) From: [email protected] (Jan Whitaker) Subject: Re: Abraham Whitney

>Jan Whitaker wrote: >> >> Dear Cousins, I have in my possession a photocopy of a personal paper of >> one Abraham Whitney, written on Apr. 9th 1858, and titled "Some Religious >> Experiences of Abraham Whitney". The subject may not interest you, but it >> includes many observations of his life and times and is handwritten and >> quite legible. I would gladly send it to anyone who can identify him from >> the following clues in his paper. (I haven't been able to) He seems to >> have been a bachelor, so wouldn't have direct descendents, but perhaps >> someone out there is related. About 1811 he lived in Westminster, MA, >> working for Reubin Bond in the "Clothier Business", and soon after, his >> mother died in Bolton, MA. (His brother came to give him the news) Circa >> 1812-13, he was in Hingham,MA working in a woolen factory, when he was >> called to defend the nearby town of Cohasset from the British in the "War >> of 1812"(he later refused bounty land, for religious reasons). In 1815, he >> worked for his cousin Samuel Houghton of Bolton, after three months, he >> went to work in Pembroke, MA, then returned to Bolton, at which time his >> father was still living. On May 31, 1815 he entered the Shaker Community >> in Harvard, MA. Hope someone can identify him. Jan > >This was Abraham-6 WHITNEY, b. 17 Apr 1785, Bolton, MA (VR), son of >Elijah-5 and Sarah (STEARNS) WHITNEY. Sarah died in Bolton 3 Oct 1812. >His further ancestry shows two lines of descent from John-1 and Elinor >(-----) WHITNEY: > > Abraham-6 WHITNEY > Elijah-5 WHITNEY, m. Sarah STEARNS > Abraham-4 WHITNEY, m. Sarah-5 WHITNEY > John-4 WHITNEY, m. Elizabeth BARNARD >Isaiah-3 WHITNEY, Thomas-3 WHITNEY > m. Sarah WOODWARD m. Elizabeth LAWRENCE > Thomas-2 WHITNEY, m. Mary KEDALL > John-1 WHITNEY, m. Elinor ----- > >I hope this helps. > >Regards, > >Robert > >Robert L. Ward ><img src="/robertward.gif"> >12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 >301-776-1659

Dear Robert and Cousins, Yes, you have identified the Abraham I was seeking. This inquiry got hung up in the mail scrunch, in the meantime I arranged a meeting with cousin Peg Sanborn in Harvard, MA on Thursday and we visited the cemetery, library and found the farm of Jonas Whitney(brother to my John and hopefully the site of their father Moses'homestead, as well!). We were so moved that I think we spoke in whispers as we took pictures. I did manage to identify Abraham while in the libary and have the following as well: sister of Sarah Stearns was Martha who married Simon Houghton and produced Samuel Houghton, Abraham's cousin he refers to. Abraham's brothers are: Daniel b. 2/10/1783; Elijah b. 2/25/1781; Samuel b. 9/20/1778; and he had 6 sisters, all born in Bolton, MA. Does anyone out there claim them? Cheers, Jan

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From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif">

Subject: Re: Whitney/Cady of MA Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 00:17:06 -0800

Merton L. Alexander wrote: > Joanna Whitney was married to John Cady b. 15 Jan 1650/1 of Watertown, MA. They > apparently had a dau. Hannah Cady, b. at Groton, Ma? This Hannah Cady md. > Samuel Warner 15 Oct. 1706 at Groton. Looking for infor. on this Whitney-Cady > connection.

Joanna/Johanah WHITNEY was b. 16 Jan 1656/7 in Watertown (VR), daughter of Richard-2 and Hannah (COLDAM) WHITNEY, and granddaughter of John-1 and Elinor (-----) WHITNEY.

John Cady was son of Nicholas-1 and Judith (KNAPP) CADY of Watertown (Henry Bond, Watertown Genealogies). Joanna was his first wife, and he married secondly Elizabeth -----. About 1701 he moved to Canterbury, CT. By Joanna he had two children: Jonathan, b. 22 Jan 1693, Groton, MA, m. Hannah ----- and lived in Canterbury; and Joanna, b. 14 Oct 1695, Groton, MA. By Elizabeth he had five more children.

For details, see Henry Bond, _Genealogies_and_History_of_Watertown_, vol. 2, p. 733-734.

What is the authority for the marriage of Joanna WHITNEY to John CADY, please? It does not appear in Watertown VR, nor in Bond, where the wife of John CADY is called Joanna -----, and Joanna WHITNEY is not assigned a husband. I do not accept F. C. Pierce's _Whitney_Genealogy_ as an acceptable source.

Regards,

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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From: "Roger, Carolyn or Randy Winch" <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney Database Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 15:32:55 -0600

Hi All,

The database is up at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gumby/genweb/Whitney/Whitney.html Not sure how we need to handle the changes. Maybe in the notes ?

Enjoy !! Randy Winch

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 16:08:57 -0800

I would like to have my Whitney ancestors added to the database. I have the family of Joseph Whitney, 1774. Can I send it in gedcom form, or submit the family via e-mail? Allan has my gedcom, some of which is incorrect at the far end, but I'm only concerned with Joseph & his descendants, everybody has his ancestors!

Ozzi [email protected]

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From: Marion Leska <[email protected]> Subject: IGI list of some WHITNEYs from Maine (1984) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 19:34:55 -0500

To all: I hope this will transfer in the proper format without messing up too much. I got this information some time ago whilst searching for my ever elusive Calvin ( it showed his son & grandson, but I already knew about them!) I thought maybe the rest of the page might be of help to someone's hunt. Marion NAME Father/Mother,or Spouse Sex or Type and Date of Event County, Town, Parish

                                  Wife/Husband

Whitney, Betsy Jeriah Whitney/Mary F Born 30 April 1826 Franklin, Weld Whitney, Betsy Thomas Whitney/? F Born 10 Nov 1830 Cumberland, Raymond Whitney, Betsy Hopkins Timothy Whitney/Martha F Born 19 Sept 1796 Franklin, Chesterville Whitney, Betsy R. Andrew Whitney/ Huldah F Born 24 Jan 1826 Franklin, Phillips Whitney, Betty Abel Whitney/Thankful F Born 22 Jul 1765 Cumberland, Gorham Whitney, Betty Aaron Whitney/Jenny F Born 07 May 1780 Cumberland, Gorham Whitney, Betty Joseph Whitney,Betty Phinney F Born 01 April 1794 Cumberland, Gorham Whitney, Beulah Briton Enos Small W Married 02 Nov 1817 Cumberland,N.Yarmouth Whitney, Beulah Uriel Whitney/Lydia F Born 03 Jun 1793 Cumberland, Gorham Whitney, Byron B. Andrew R. Whitney/Mary M Born 03 Feb 1865 Cumberland, Standish Whitney, Calvin L. Calvin Whitney/Nancy M Born 29 Dec 1861 Knox, Rockport Whitney, Caroline Uriah Whitney/ F Born 1808

    Sagadahoc, Bowdoin

Whitney, Caroline Benjamin Whitney/Patience F Born 02 Jun 1825 Cumberland,Cumberland Whitney, Caroline Ephraim Whitney/ F Born 24 Feb 1840 Cumberland, Raymond Whitney, Caroline E. Isaac L. Whitney/Mary E. F Born 22 May 1856 Kennebec, Pittston Whitney, Caroline P. Gorham Whitney/ F Born 11 Mar 1832 Kennebedc,Gardiner Whitney, Carrie A. Prelette Whitney/ F Born 22 Aug 1867 Knox,Rockland Whitney, Carrie A. Costella B. Welch W Married 08 Aug 1885 Androscoggin, Poland Whitney, Carrie B. F. Merrill E. Whitney/Martha E. F Born 06 May 1869 Cmbrlnd,Cape Elizabeth Twp Whitney, Carrie L. David H. Perry W Married 03 Jul 1888 Aroostook,Sherman Whitney, Celinda Nathan Whitney/Sarah F Born 28 Jul 1817 Kennebec, Litchfield Whitney, Charity R. Jeremiah F. Whitney/ F Born 26 Oct 1825 Sagadahoc, Topsham Whitney, Charles Isaac Whitney/Sarah Truant M Born 25 Oct 1786 Androscoggin, Lisbon Whitney, Charles Henry Whitney/Lucy M Born 29 Oct 1817 Hancock, Castine Whitney, Charles Gustavus Whitney/Hannah Libby M Born 10 Mar 1826 Washington, Jonesboro Whitney, Charles Mary Elizabeth Sawyer H Married 26 Sep 1852 York, Saco Whitney, Charles Susan Yerxa H Married 01 Oct 1861 Aroostook,Hodgdon Whitney, Charles Ruth N. Cunningham H Married 18 Aug 1864 Waldo, Belfast Whitney, Charles Bolan Joseph Whitney/ Jane M Born 30 Aug 1827 Franklin, Phillips Whitney, Charles Carroll Wesley Whitney/Ann Augusta Furbush

                                  M    Born 09 Mar 1873    Franklin,

Freeman Whitney, Charles Carroll Justina Ripley H Married 04 Aug 1907 Franklin, Temple Whitney, Charles E. Statira I. Bowden H Married 1884 York, Biddeford Whitney, Charles Edward Edward H. Whitney/ Mary Ann M Christened 28 Jun 1850 Cmbrlnd,New Gloucester Whitney, Charles Franklin Phinias Whitney/Maria E. M Born 18 Sep 1868 Cumberland,Portland Whitney, Charles H. Perez Whitney, Mary M Born 13 Sep 1846 Cmbrlnd,Cumberland Whitney, Charles Henry Phineas Whitney/Hannah M Christened 12 May 1850 Cumberland, Portland Whitney, Charles Newell Abel Whitney/Sarah Cole M Born 09 Aug 1841 Cumberland,Standish Whitney, Charles P. George W. Whitney/Mary M Born 16 Jan 1839 Cumberland, Bridgton Whitney, Charles Robinson Mary Edgecomb Thurston H Married 31 Dec 1851 Androscoggin,Danville Whitney, Charles Sumner M Born 15 Jun 1857 Kennebec, Gardiner Whitney, Charles Sumner Robert P. Whitney/Ruth F. M. Born 15 Jun 1857 Sagadahoc,Topsham Whitney, Charles Thaxter Joel Whitney/Sally M Born 18 Sep 1817 Franklin, Phillips Whitney, Charles W. Harriet Peabody H Married 13 Aug 1854 Cumberland,Falmouth Whitney Charlotte Micah Whitney/Hannah F Born 16 Mar 1789 Franklin, Phillips

    I sure hope this is helpful to someone.

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From: "Vickie (Elam) White" <[email protected]> Subject: Need archived messages Date: 09 Dec 96 00:57:46 EST

I was on digest mode when they croaked. Consequently, I tried to get copies of the archived messages. According to a FILELIST I got in October, the 3-letter extension for this list is .wny; yet when I sent for the archived messages I got an error message back. So I sent for the most recent FILELIST and don't see this list on it. Can't we get copies of archived messages anymore?

If we can't, can someone please send me copies of the posts for all of last week? I need 12/3 through 12/7. Thanks.

Vickie (Elam) White [email protected]

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From: "Douglas A. Adams" <[email protected]> Subject: Re Whitney/Cady MA Date: 09 Dec 96 14:53:15 EST

In The Descendants of John Whitney by Frederick Clifton Pierce, p. 23: Johanah b. Jan 16, 1656, daughter of Richard WHITNEY and Martha COLDAM.

Unfortunately, I did not copy the pages that continued with Johanah. Richard was a brother of my ancestor Benjamin.

Douglas Adams [email protected]

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From: "Lynda J. McLaughlin" <[email protected]> Subject: AN EMBARRASSING QUESTION Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 11:42:53 -0500

Hi folks,

Here's a ridiculous question..What is the maiden of THE Elinor?

I almost don't want to sign this. [email protected]

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From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]> Subject: Waltham Ma VRs Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 21:52:43 -0500 (EST)

                      WALTHAM MA VITAL RECORDS to 1850

BIRTHS-pg101-2

WHITNEY

       Allen{dup.Allin Whitney], s.James and Marcy[dup.Marey],May 2,1740.
       Amos,ch.Amos and Martha,Jan.31,1814.
       Anna[dup.]Whittny],d.Da[v]id and Rebeckah,Aug.9,1725.
       Anna Maria,d.Sam[ue]l B. and Mary W., Oct.25,1849.
       Arthur W.,_____,1835. G.R.
       Caroline B.,d. Abram and Mary A., Oct.28,1847.
       Charles,ch.Amos and Martha, Feb.11,1812.
       David[dup.Deavid Whittny],s.David and Rebeckah, Sept.25,1723.
       David,s.David and Mary,July 9,1753.
       Eleanor S.,_____,1809.  G.R.
       Eleoner Sabrina,ch.Jonathan and Sarah, Mar.11,1810.
       Elisha Crehore,s.Samuel B.and Mary W.,Mar.12,1846.
       Elizabeth Jewett,d.Rev John and Mary A.,Mar.28,1841.
       Elnathan,s.Elnathan and Sarah,Mar.19,1738-9.
       Elnathan,s.Elnathan and Sarah,Mar.18,1741-2.
       Emily Francis,d.Leonard and Caroline, May 4,1848.
       Emma,d.Nathan and Lydia,Jan.1,1847.
       Eugene G.,_____,1837. G.R.
       Hellen,ch.Abram and Mary Ann, May 9,1837.
       Jacob Cushing,ch.Jonathan and Sarah,Oct.16,1813.
       James,s.James and Mary, Oct.26,1743.
       James,ch.Amos and Martha,Apr.9,1816.
       John Howard,s.Abraham and Mary Ann,Nov.18[1845].
       John R.,ch.Rev John and Mary A.,Jan.18,1838.
       Jonas[dup.Whitny],s.David and Rebeckah,June 25,1733.
       Jonas Prescott,ch.Josiah Jr. and Mary,Sept.22,1793.
       Jonathan[dup.Whitny],s.David and Rebeckah,Feb.10.1735.
       Jonathan,ch.Josiah and Sarah,May 8,1772.
       Josiah[dup.Whitny],s.David and Rebeckah,Nov.22,1730.
       Josiah,s.Josiah and Sarah,June 23,1765.
       Josiah,ch.Josiah Jr.and Mary, Mar.24,1791.
       Josiah Quincy,ch Jonathan and Sarah,Sept.15,1805.
       Martha K.[dup.R.],d.Rev John and Mary,June 6[dup.Jan.6,written over
               June 6][1845].
       Martha Ropes,d.Rev.John and Mary,July 24,1843.
       Mary,d.David and Mary,Dec.22,1751.
       Mary,ch.Josiah Jr. and Mary,Sept.14,1796.
       Mary Ann,ch,Abram and Mary Ann, Apr.12,1834.
       Mary Ann,ch.Abram and Mary Ann,Mar.15,1840.
       Mary R.,ch.Rev John and Mary A,Mar.1,1839.
       Mary W.,d.Samuel B.and Mary W.,Sept.10,1847.
       Nathan[dupWhitny],s.David and Rebeckah,Mar.12,1726[dup.1726-7].
       Nathan,s.Nathan and Martha,Mar.1,1808.
       Rhoda,ch.Josiah and Sarah,Aug.22,1768.
       Ruth[dup.Whitny],d.David and Rebeckah,Feb.3,1728[dup.1728-9].
       Ruth,d.David and Mary,Jan.2,1760.
       Sally,ch.Josiah Jr.and Mary,Mar.19,1792.
       Sarah,_____,1736. G.R.
       Sarah,d.Elnathan and Sarah,Feb.13,1745-6.
       Sarah,d.David and Mary,Feb.8,1756.
       Sarah,d.Josiah and Sarah,Apr.18,1763.
       Sarah Ann,d.Abijah and Nancy,Sept.30,1816.
       Sarah B.,_____,1784.  G.R.
       Silas Brooks,s.Christopher and Dolly,Nov.9,1839.
       Walter,ch.Amos and Martha,Dec.2,1818.
       ______,s.Nathan and Lydia,Dec.4,1844.
       ______,d.Rev.John and Mary A.,Nov.27,1847.
       ______,s.Nathan and Lydia,Nov.9,1849.
       ______,ch.James Henry and Charlotte W.(b.Gilford,Vt.),
               ______[rec.Jan.__,1850].

WHITNY

       Ebenezer,s.Elnathan and Sarah, Mar.19,1738-9.

MARRIAGES-pg241-2

WHITNEY

       Abigail, and Thomas Stimpson,int.Aug.23,1845.
       Abijah of Weston, and Lydia Stearns,[June]12,1783.* [Sterns, M.R.]
       Abijah of Weston, and Mrs Abigail Tidd, int.Mar.8,1832.
       Abraham of Watertown, and Mary Mead, Dec.3,1772, in Watertown.*
       Abraham of Mathuen, and Mary Ann Hopkins, int. Feb.25,1830.
       Alvarious of Watertown, and Catherine Larabe, int. June 29, 1822.
       Amasa of Watertown, and Sarah Evans, int. Apr.14,1827.
       Amos of Watertown, and Martha Priest, Jan. 17,1811.
       Anna and Elijah Smith, Dec.17,1807.
       Azubah and Thomas Budlong, int.16,1819.
       Catherine of Weston, and Edward Clark, Oct. 27,1842.*
       Charles of Cambridgeport, and Caroline F. Stimson, int Dec.29,1838.
       Christopher and Betsey Putnam, int. Sept.15,1820.
       Eliza of Waterown, and Nathaniel Crasey, int. Apr.2,1824.
       Elizabeth and William McCam, Nov.26,1747, in Weston.*
       Emely and Henry Richardson, int.Nov.26,1847.
       Jacob C. and Abigail[int.adds S.]Parks, Dec.31,1834.
       John and Mary Benjamin, July 4, 1753, in Watertown.*
       John of Weston, and Berice Peirce, Nov.28,1754, in Weston.*
       John of Boston, and Susanna[int.Sukey]Viles,July 1,1804.
       John and Jane Gilson,Apr.24,1823.*
       John A. of Uxbridge, and Eliza Wellington, Apr.6,1837.
       John E.[int.Edmonds] and Mary C.[int.Corbett]Rouse,Mar.1,1831.
       Jonathan of Framingham,and Eunice Marshall, June 15,1758.*
       Jonathan and Sarah Bedlow, int. Oct.14,[1804].
       Joseph of Weston, and Mary Cheild, Nov.3,1743.*[Child, M.R.]
       Joseph of Lincoln, and Ann Cook, int.Sept.3,1832.
       Josiah and Sarah Lawrance, June 15,1762.*[Lawerence,M.R.]
       Josiah Jr. and Mary Barrett, int.Jan.10,1790.
       Leonard Jr. and Caroline J.[int.I.]Russell, Apr.2,1843.
       Marinda and Pardan Derby, int.June 15,1822.
       Mary Ann and Richard Dixon, int.Mar.6,1847.
       Mary, Mrs.,and Abraham Bemis, Mar.17,1768.*
       Mary and William Wellington, Apr.17,1769.*[Aug.17,M.R.]
       Mary of Weston, and Amos Fisk, Mary 29,1777, in Weston.*
       Mercy Maria and Samuel Parks Whitman, May 29,1831.
       Nathan and Martha Stearns, July 26,1807.
       Nathan of Lincoln, and Lydia Viles, int.Oct.11,1830.
       Rebecah and Thomas Stowel,July 18,1745.*[Rebecca, and Thomas
               Stowell, M.R.]
       Rhoda and Amos Smith, May 8,1794.
       Ruth and Roland Blackmer, Dec.7,1780.*[Blackmore, M.R.]
       Sally of Boston, and Peter Sanborn,int.Aug.28,1818.
       Samuel B.,30,s.Abijah of Weston, and Mary w.Crehore,June 5,1845.
       Sarah and Bezaleel Wright, Aug.29,1776.*
       Sarah and Isaac Hastings,Dec.6,1803.
       Silas Jr. of Ashby, and Naby Shed,Jan.1,1801.*
       Solomon W.,21,s.Leonard and Ruthy, and Mary J.Mansir, Feb.14,1848.
       William and Ruth Crossman,int.Feb.21,1829.

       *intention not recorded

WHITNEY

       Abigail,consumption,______[rec.July 28,1843],a.57. [July 28,1843,G.R.]
       Allen[dup.Allin Whitny],s.James and Marcy,Dec.7,1740.
       Amos,June 10,1824,a.38. G.R.
       Arthur W.,______,1838. G.R.
       David[dup.Whittny],h.Rebeckah,Dec.18,1738.
       Eleanor S.,____,1811. G.R.
       Eleazor[dup.Whitney],June 10,1738.
       Eleoner Sabrina,ch.Jonathan and Sarah, Oct.26,1812.
       Emily F.,only ch.Leonard and Caroline I.,Aug.12,1849, a.15m 8d. G.R.
       Eugene G.,____,1848. G.R.
       Eunice,d.James and Marcy, Nov.24,1740.
       John R.,ch.Rev John and Mary A.,Sept 27,1838.
       Jonathan,s.David and Rebekah,Apr.9,1757, a.22y. 1m. G.R.
       Jonathan,____,1826, G.R.
       Josiah,_____,1800. G.R.
       Josiah,_____,1828. G.R.
       Mary,d.Silas and Abigail of Ashby, Apr.3,1803
       Mary Ann,ch.Abram and Mary Ann,Apr.22,1838.
       Ruth,d.David and Rebekah, Apr.23,1757, a.28y.1m. G.R.
       Samuel,s.Elnathan and Sarah,Dec.28,1751.
       Sarah,w.Elnathan,Oct.22,1756, a.54.
       Sarah,_____,1795. G.R.
       Sarah A.,ch.Leonard, cholery morbus, Aug.13,1849, a.6y.5m.
       Sarah B.,_____,1828. G.R.
       _____,inf._____,dropsey in head,_____[rec.Sept.2,1843}.

WHITTNEY

       Beriah,w.John of Weston,formerly w. Daniel Child, Nov.4,1768,
               in 88th y. G.R.

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From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]> Subject: BROOKFIELD MA VR's Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 21:52:49 -0500 (EST)

                     BROOKFIELD MA VITAL RECORDS to 1850
                           Franklin P.Rice

BIRTHS-pg234

WHITNEY

       Abigail,d.Nathan and Abigail, April 3,1768.
       Asa,s.Nathan and Abigail,March 30,1773.
       David,s.Nathan and Abigail, Oct.2,1763.
       Esther,d.Nathan and Abigail,Jan.26,1766.
       Hannah,d.Nathan and Abigail,April 28,1771.

MARRIAGES-pg438

WHITNEY

       Hannah and Eli Gilbert,Feb.15,1781.
       John and Anna[Joanna?]Hamilton,Feb.2,1775.*
       Lucy and Samuel Harrington, int.April_____,1756.
       Ruel and Caroline Josephine Harrington, Sept.26,1841.
       Ruel and Mary I.Adams of North Brookfield, int. Dec.11,1842
       Sarah of Shrewsbury and Nathan Bannister, Dec.17,1769. In Shrewsbury.

       *intention not recorded

DEATHS-pg546

WHITNEY

       Reuel, July 3,1843, a.31y.7m.  G.S.2.

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From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]>

Subject: BROOKLINE MA VRs Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 21:52:51 -0500 (EST)

                     BROOKLINE MA VITAL RECORDS to 1850
                            The Essex Institute

BIRTHS-pg74

WHITNEY

       Abigail, d.Elisha. bp.Oct.29,1769. C.R.1
       Catharine Dean,d.Maj.Asa,bp.Nov.5,1826. C.R.
       Daniel,s.Elijah,bp.Jan.24,1741-2. C.R.1.
       Elijah,s.Elijah, bp.Jan.4,1801. C.R.1
       Elizabeth,d.Elisha, bp.Mar.17,1771. C.R.1.
       George Stephen Glover,s.David,laborer, and Chloe, May 8,1846.
       Mary,d.Elijah,bp._____,1799, C.R.1.
       Sarah,d.Daniel,bp.Oct.8,1769. C.R.1.
       William Henry,s.Henry,gardener, and Herrit N.,June 3,1848.

MARRIAGES-pg167

WHITNEY

       Abel, of Cambridge[b.Northborough. C.R.1], and Susanna White
               of B., DEc.21,1809.*
       Amaziah, of B.,and Sarah Trull of Roxbury, at Roxbury,Apr.19,1795.*
       Ann,Mrs.,of Newton and Joshua Spear,int. Feb.13,1780.
       Ann W.,and Parker Morgan,Jr.,both of B.,int July 6,1834.
       Caleb, of Newton, and Elizabeth Hide of B., Mar.20,1766.
       Daniel,and Sarah Gay, both of B.,int. Jan.21,1769.
       David,and Cloe H.Farrington, both of B., Jan.1,1837.
       Elijah, of B., and Margaret Whitney of Newton,at Newton, Mar.25,1798.*
       Elisha,of B., and Abigail Dana of Newton,at Newton, June 4,1769.
       Elisha, of Roxbury, and Abigail Dana of B.,int.Dec.31,1774.
       Elliet, of Elmore,Vt.[a.35y.in pencil.],and Sally Shepard of B.
               [a.35y.in pencil.]int.Dec.23,1843.
       Henry, and Harriot N.Sinnott,unm.,both of B., Nov.28,1844.
       Margaret, of Newton, and Elijah Whitney of B., at Newton, Mar.25,1798.*
       Mary,Mrs.,and John Smith of Lexington, Oct.26,1763.
       Reliefe, of Newton, and John Chever[Chivers.int] Woodward of B.,at
               Newton, Dec.11,1783.
       Sarah,Mrs.,and Amasa Davis, both of B.,Nov.3,1764.
       William, of Boston[Weston.int.], and Mrs.Sarah Davis of B., Feb.1,1763.

       *intention not recorded.

DEATHS-pg238

WHITNEY

       Asa,Maj.,dropsy, Mar.5,1826, a.44y. C.R.1.
       Daniel[s.Elijah.dup], at Warwick, May 3,1821, a.79y. C.R.1.
       John,suddenly,Aug.28,1816, a.54y.  C.R.1.
       Joseph,unm.,yeoman,erysipelas, Dec.7,1843, a.56y.
       Martha,dropsy, May.22,1781. C.R.1.
       Oliver,drowned, July 30,1808, a. 47y.  C.R.1.
       Susan,d.David,dysentary, Aug.19,1840, a. 18m. C.R.1.
       William F.,s. David and Cloa,dysentary,Aug.20,1848, a. 4y.9m.

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From: "Vickie (Elam) White" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Whitney/Cady of MA Date: 11 Dec 96 17:34:34 EST

Merton L. Alexander wrote --

<<Joanna Whitney was married to John Cady b. 15 Jan 1650/1 of Watertown, MA. They apparently had a dau. Hannah Cady, b. at Groton, Ma? This Hannah Cady md. Samuel Warner 15 Oct. 1706 at Groton. Looking for infor. on this Whitney-Cady connection.>>

Joanna's marriage to John CADY (often spelled CADE) isn't in the Groton Vital Records. According to Torrey, Joanna's maiden name is unknown. And neither Torrey Supplement mentions any new findings. Where did you see her name as WHITNEY? Torrey says they were married either ca 1675 or ca 1677. He gave their residences as Watertown, Groton and Canterbury CT. But I do see the births of the following children in Groton:

Jonathan b 22 Jan 1693 Joanna b 14 Oct 1695

There was an Amos CADY, son of John, who died in Groton on 3 Aug 1688. There was no age listed, but he could be a son of your John and Joanna.

According to Torrey, the man who married Elizabeth GREEN in 1699 in Groton was not the same man, born possibly in 1678 and young enough to be a son of your John. Probably John and Joanna's other children, including perhaps this John, were born in Watertown.

In any event, I don't know if this marriage is correct even though there was a Joanna WHITNEY of an age that would make her an eligible candidate for John's wife. More proof is needed, I think.

Vickie (Elam) White [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Subject: More MA Vital Records. Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 00:49:13 -0500

Greetings to the WRG:

Thanks to great help from Peg Sanborn and Jan Whitaker, we now have another set of MA VR's to offer to anyone who wants them.

Assorted VR #2 includes (to 1850) the towns of: Athol, Bellingham, Bolton, Boxborough, Brookfield, Brookline, Concord, Natick, Sherborn and Waltham. 19 pages.

Assorted VR #1 included (to 1850) the towns of: Bedford, Chelmsford, Gloucester, Groton, Holliston, Hopkinton, Leicester, Medway, Mendon, Milford, Rutland, Sudbury and Westford. 14 pages.

Templeton and Harvard Vital Records to 1850. 17 pages.

Stow Vital Records to 1850. 11 pages.

Note to Mary Ellen Jones: Did I send you the last three sets above as you asked for?

I've got a bunch more to copy, and Peg and Jan are still sending me the ones they are typing. We'll have some more before too long, but remember the season - it may take a while.

Lots of new people coming into the list, I see. The more the merrier. Does anyone know the origin of the Susannah Whitney who married Jonathan(3) Whitney, son of Benjamin(2), son of John(1)? She would have been born ca 1684, no idea where. I have found all (but one?) of their children born in Sherborn, with the dates that Ed Sinker sent me for all but one - Mehetabel being shown in these VR as born 1718 rather than 1719. I also found the one he skipped, child #4, Dorotha, b. 28 Aug 1708, but no Eleanor, which he shows as the 12th and last child. However, none of these children born in Sherborn seem to have married there, which suggests that Jonathan and Susannah removed to another town after 1721, the last birth listed. Ed, hope this helps.

Happy Hunting to all.

Allan E. Green <[email protected]>

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From: "Vickie (Elam) White" <[email protected]> Subject: Additions or corrections to database Date: 12 Dec 96 12:07:26 EST

I would respectfully suggest that any future additions or corrections to the Whitney database follow the same format at that of the Torrey supplements. That is, an entirely separate group of listings (in alphabetical order) be posted. This could be done on a semi-regular basis, maybe quarterly if necessary, depending on how often new information comes in.

In this way, those who access the database can still see the original database plus the additions, and form their own conclusions. Of course as much documentation as possible needs to be made available, either accompanying the "supplements" or with an email address so that anyone who is interested can contact the submitter.

Vickie (Elam) White [email protected]

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From: "Vickie (Elam) White" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Jonathan & Susannah (FAIRBANKS) WHITNEY Date: 12 Dec 96 23:15:54 EST

Robert Ward wrote--

<<This Jonathan WHITNEY married Susannah FAIRBANKS (not WHITNEY) on 14 Jan 1700/1 in Medfield, MA (VR). I do not know her parentage, but you should be looking for a Susannah FAIRBANKS b. 1684, not a Susannah WHITNEY.>>

According to Savage, there was a Lydia FAIRBANKS b 8 Mar 1682 to Eliezur and Martha FAIRBANKS of Medfield and Sherborn. There is no mention of a spouse for Lydia, but her father died in 1741 so perhaps his will would shed light on who his daughter married.

Vickie (Elam) White [email protected]

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From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: More MA Vital Records. Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 21:10:04 -0800

[email protected] wrote: Allan Green wrote: > Lots of new people coming into the list, I see. The more the merrier. Does > anyone know the origin of the Susannah Whitney who married Jonathan(3) > Whitney, son of Benjamin(2), son of John(1)? She would have been born ca > 1684, no idea where. > I have found all (but one?) of their children born in Sherborn, with the > dates that Ed Sinker sent me for all but one - Mehetabel being shown in these > VR as born 1718 rather than 1719. I also found the one he skipped, child #4, > Dorotha, b. 28 Aug 1708, but no Eleanor, which he shows as the 12th and last > child. However, none of these children born in Sherborn seem to have married > there, which suggests that Jonathan and Susannah removed to another town > after 1721, the last birth listed. Ed, hope this helps.

This Jonathan WHITNEY married Susannah FAIRBANKS (not WHITNEY) on 14 Jan 1700/1 in Medfield, MA (VR). I do not know her parentage, but you should be looking for a Susannah FAIRBANKS b. 1684, not a Susannah WHITNEY.

Regards,

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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From: "Edward Sinker" <[email protected]> To: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif">

Subject: Re: More MA Vital Records.

Robert

> This Jonathan WHITNEY married Susannah FAIRBANKS (not WHITNEY) on 14 > Jan 1700/1 in Medfield, MA (VR). I do not know her parentage, but you > should be looking for a Susannah FAIRBANKS b. 1684, not a Susannah > WHITNEY.

Thank you very much for this information. It looks very convincing and they are almost certainly my ancestors but just to make doubly certain can you tell me how are you know that this Johnathan was the son of Benjamin who was the son of John and Elinor Whitny?? Did your source list the children or mention his father?

Edward Coates Sinker Church Lea Bosbury Herefordshire HR8 1PX U.K. email: [email protected]

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From: [email protected] (Joan W. Hantel) Subject: Re: Re: Pierce's book Date: 13 Dec 1996 01:24:32 GMT

Hi, Bob. I was told to contact you for further information re. my Samuel Whitney (1688-1753, Norwalk and Stratford) who m. Anne Laboree 18 Jan. 1722, Norwalk. Their daughter, Sarah (1723-1794) m. Daniel Foote (1717-1790) 1746, Stratford, both later of Newtown. (My 5-great grandparents.) Ann Laboree, Huguenot, daughter of Rev. Dr. James Laborie and Jeanne Ressiguie. From Whitney Genealogy as mentioned Samuel was son of John (1646-1720, Southold and Norwalk) and Elizabeth Smith; And, John, son of Henry? Is this correct?

Dates for John?

Wife of Henry (not 2nd wife, Sartah, widow of Edward Ketcham.) All help appreciated! thanks Please e-mail direct: joan2njmug.org

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From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney House, Harvard MA Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 09:58:28 -0500 (EST)

Dear WRG, Last week Jan Whitaker and I took a trip to Harvard Ma to look for the Whitney house. This house was purchased by Moses Whitney in 1726. We found the house, which is located on Whitney lane. The house is magnificent, the grounds and view equally as beautiful. We took alot of pictures(myself two rolls). My first roll is back and on disk. I have 4 pictures of the house, 1 of the carriage house(unknown age) and 2 of the grounds. My second roll,which is in the process of being developed, includes pictures of the whole complex and several gravestones(I don't remember the names).

Anyway, to make a short story-long. if anyone is interested, and can recieve pictures, I will send them along. This comes across as a large attachment so will only send to those who request, not the whole group. When my next roll arrives, I'll be able to list the names on the gravestones.

Merry Christmas! Peg Sanborn

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From: "Edward Sinker" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Whitney list Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 20:38:56 -0000

Hi

I am going over some of the data which has been sent to the list concerning those people who are supposed to be my ancestors but have encountered a problem. Allan sent the following on 7 Nov:

>Here's the last of the Whitney marriages that I have found on the Ancestry, >Inc. WebSite. > >From American Marriages Recorded Before 1699 > >Richard Whitney & Martha Coldham, 19 Mar 1650, Watertown, MA >Judith Clemens & Jeremiah Whitney, 29 Sep 1659, Plymouth, MA >John Whitney & Judith Clement, 29 Sep 1659, Watertown, MA >Abigail Tarbell & Joshua Whitney, 30 Sep 1672, Groton, MA >Sarah Knight & Moses Whitney, 30 Sep 1686, Stow, MA >Benjamin Whitney & Mary Poor, 11 Apr 1695, York, ME

The marriage date for Benjamin W and Mary Poor must be incorrect since their children were born from 1669-1687 or did they just feel that they were doing the right thing for their children by getting married belatedly :- ) Is this just a typo?

Edward Coates Sinker Church Lea Bosbury Herefordshire HR8 1PX U.K. email: [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Whitney list Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 03:49:24 -0500

Dear Ed:

This question raises the matter of Benjamins supposed two marriages. Most of us (I think) have him married to a Jane Poor(?), ca 1667/68, with the first child born in Sept. 1669. Mary has been cited as a "sister" of Jane, but I don't know where that came from. I have found in the Sherborn VR's a death date for a Jane (Poor?) Whitney, that of 14 Nov 1690, with 11 Apr 1695, the date of his marriage to Mary Poor. Since Benjamin was born in 1643, it would seem likely that he had a wife prior to Mary Poor, (although I do not know at present of the location of a record of such a marriage) and that this first wife (Jane Whoever) is the mother of the seven children, Jane, Timothy, John, Nathaniel, Jonathan, Benjamin(1) and Joshua, born between 1669 and 1687. I show him also having with Mary Poor, three children, Mark, Isaac and Benjamin(2) - which would suggest that Benjamin(1) probably died young.

I don't know if I have helped solve the problem with the above or added to the confusion. Let's hope that someone else can chime in with further and better information.

Allan

I would hope that one of our newer members, with access to sources like Torrey and Savage and Bond, as well as available VR's, will have the means of helping clarify this question, and I, too, would like the answer. Without taking the time to

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From: "Roger, Carolyn or Randy Winch" <[email protected]> Subject: New database feature Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 08:48:54 -0600

Hi,

I've added a new feature to the database to allow people to download parts of the GEDCOM data. Go to an individual and now there is a button at the bottom of the page that allows the ancestory or descendants of any person to be downloaded. Let me know what you think.

Database url: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gumby/genweb/Whitney/Whitney.html

Randy Winch

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From: "Edward Sinker" <[email protected]> Subject: Jane & Mary Poor Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 09:25:12 -0000

Jon & Allan

> Our database records show that Mary Poor was the second wife of >Benjamin and they had 2 children (1) Mark b. abt 1700 and Isaac b. >abt 1702, his first wife Jane Poor? died 11/14/1690 and had the >children that you refer to. Pierce does not have a surname for the >first wife, Jane, and I don't have a source for the surname Poor for >her. Does this info clarify of further confuse the issue?

Thank you, Jon. It is me just being stupid again. I was getting my Jane and Marys mixed up. Thanks also to Allan for picking up on this. My the exact details of my Whitney line seems to be a bit uncertain.

It looks like there is still a considerable amount of research needing to be done on this line. It is nice not to have all the information dumped in ones lap.

Thanks again

Edward Coates Sinker Church Lea Bosbury Herefordshire HR8 1PX U.K. email: [email protected]

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From: "Steven Whitney" <[email protected]>

Subject: Elmer Whitney Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 22:46:15 -0500

Hello All, I have been a member of the list for some time. Because of the hours I work I have not been able to do a lot of research of my own. Since the list seems to have grown since I joined I thought I would ask for help once more. The information I have is from family members not from any books or records. It starts as follows. Elmer Whitney b 1830 PA Married to Sally Snell their children, Ira N. Whitney b 4/26/1861 Franklin, Oh. d 2/22/1953 Toledo, Oh Elmer2?, and William

Ira N. Whitney married Mallinda Elizabeth Whitaker, their children Roy Whitney b 5/3/1893 Toledo Oh. d. 8/18/1974 Dayton, Oh. Howard Herbert Whitney b. 12/11/1901 Toledo, Oh. d. 2/20/1979 Bradenton, Fl. Ralph Whitney died in accident in teenage years

Elmer2? children Carl, Elmer3?, Arnold, and Janice William married Louise, children Corrine and Kenneth

Roy Whitney married Leveda Woods children Gloria (Schum) and Marcia (Berry)

Howard Herbert Whitney married Amelia Busch children June, Carol, and Ralph

Ralph Whitney married Dorothy Ann (Nelson) children Steven (me), Alice, and Robert

Thanks for any help, Steven

Steven Whitney Naples FL. ( [email protected] ) or ( [email protected] ) Home Page http://naples.net/~nfn00805

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From: Peg Sanborn <[email protected]> Subject: New data base Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:22:24 -0500 (EST)

Randy, I love your website. It is fabulous with a lot of good hard work.

Won't it be exciting when all the information can get submitted?  For

example. I tagged into Jonas Whitney b.1Feb1698/99. I noticed all his children were not listed as yet. That is Jonas(Jr), Ephriam, Ruth, Aaron, and Margaret. I am a descendant of the Jonas Jr. and can supply my line if you need it.

Peg Sanborn [email protected]

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From: "Edward Sinker" <[email protected]> Subject: A visit to the Hereford Public Record Office Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 16:19:22 -0000

Hi Everybody

I had a day off so I took the opportunity to visit the record office in Hereford, UK, to see what they had on the Whitneys.

There were 38 cards in their biographical index the details of which I hope to send to the list shortly to give you an idea of what is there.

I copied a four page account by (Miss) Elizabeth Whitney Putnam, Brooklyn, N.Y. - 1964 which was in the archive and have transcribed it below.

    THE WHITNEYS IN ENGLAND AND AMERICA

    My grandmother, Elizabeth N. Whitney, was a New England

woman of English descent. She was born in Northampton, Mass., in 1822, daughter of Josiah Dwight Whitney. He, by his own efforts, built himself up and became a banker. Elizabeth was of the 8th generation in America. Her ancestor, John Whitney, founder of most of the Whitney families in America, having been born in England about 1592 and living at Isleworth, sailed from London with his wife and family in the "Elizabeth & Ann", arriving in New England in 1635 and settling in Watertown, Massachusetts.

    Like those of English blood, the Whitneys of Elizabeth's line

were active in government and church matters. Of her 5 brothers, two were teachers (Josiah D - of geology at Harvard and William D - of Sanskrit at Yale), one a doctor (lost sight of on a trip West), one a minister and one a librarian (James L. - of Boston Public Library). Of her sisters, two like herself were teachers and one was trained in music. Elizabeth graduated at Northampton and Abbott Academies and went South to Georgia to assist a cousin in opening an Academy there. This was in the 1840s when the South was beginning to feel the need of schools for girls. In 1848 she married Samuel Osgood Putnam, a New Englander and cousin of a school friend. After a year or two in Milwaukee, Wisconsin where Katharine was born, Osgood Putnam set out for California. He crossed the plains by wagon, the Rocky Mountains by horseback having broken with his partner, and arrived in the mines in California on foot as the Indians had stolen his horse in Nevada. This was in the Spring of 1851. Elizabeth, crossing the Isthmus with her little daughter and some friends, was wrecked in the 'Tennessee' on the coast near San Francisco. By 1854 the house on Washington Street was built and it stood until, in 1906, it was burned by the fire following the San Franisco earthquake. Although Elizabeth only lived 10 years, her husband and 6 children called the home until it was demolished. Her husband died on his nearby ranch a few months later.

    This branch of the Whitney family did not move from New

England for 200 years, not until the opening of the country west of the Mississippi River. And it was not until another 50 years had passed that their travel westward and to Europe caused them to take an interest in their English forebears. The 1890s and early 1900s were the years in which family genealogies began to appear. Now again, 50 years later, interest has fallen off. Even the patriotic societies do not have as wide an appeal as formerly.

    In 1895 a genealogy of the Whitney family in America appeared.

Its title is 'The Descendants of John Whitney'. It was prepared by Frederick C. Pierce. At the same time a very exhaustive and scholarly study of 'The Ancestry of John Whitney' was printed. The latter gives, as complete an account of the Whitneys on the Wye as the national and local documents will allow, from the family's origin in the 11th Century to 1893, long after the last knightly Whitney had died. The author was Henry Melville.

    Two problem had to be solved:  Who was John Whitney's

father and how was the father related to the Whitneys on the Wye.

    There was a Thomas Whitney of Westminster, who was

described in his license to marry Mary Bray in 1583 at St. Margaret's as Thomas Whytney of Lambeth Marsh, Gentleman. Among his sons was a John whose baptismal date coincided with the probable date of the birth of the first American Whitney, whose age was given on his stone. The records of the Merchant Taylors Company show that Thomas apprenticed this son, John, to a member of the company and when John became a master, Thomas' son, Robert, was apprenticed to his brother, John. Both Robert and John were of Isleworth as was the John who emigrated. Thus it seems clear that John Whitney of Watertown, Massachusetts and Isleworth was the son of Thomas Whitney of Westminster.

    To find the connection of Thomas Whitney with the Whitneys

of Whitney is much easier as the British Museum has the records:

Sir Robert Whitney of Whitney had 3 sons -

1. Sir James Whitney who died without issue

2. Eustace Whitney, Esq. whose son was Sir Robert Whitney knighted,

   1617 whose son Thomas Whitney knighted by Chas II

3. Robert Whitney Esq. whose son was Thomas Whitney of

   Westminster, whose son was John Whitney, Puritan emigrant.

This makes John Whitney second cousin to Sir Thomas Whitney.

    As Mr. Melville sees it: "There is reason to believe that when

Sir Thomas [Whitney] died [in 1670] without issue, his second cousin, John, who survived him about two years, was his nearest male relative; yet, despite this tie of blood, three thousand miles of sea had long separated them, and their lives had been apart even farther than their residences. One, the devoted churchman and royalist, the other the Purtian; one the English coutry gentleman, the other the struggling colonist - the most interesting contrast, however, is in the fact that the former was the last of the illustrious English knightly line that for more than five hundred years had been established at Whitney, while the latter was the first of the Americans that still flourishes so vigorously." It might be added, as yet for only a little over 300 years.

    Mr. Melville visited the Wye Valley and embellished his book,

not only with photographic copies of ancient records beginning with Domesday book, and drawings of the plans of long vanished castles controlled by the Whitneys, but with some charming pictures of the river and buildings known to the family. He believed that Turstin the Fleming and his wife Agnes were the progenators of Sir Eustace, called Lord Whitney and gives as evidence a gift to Gloucester Cathedral made in their names. He admired the Border spirit of the Whitneys and other knightly families who tried to keep peace in the Marches of Wales before Whitney was incorporated into the county of Hereford in 1534. The coat of arms he believed derived from the fact that Sir Randolph Whitney followed Richard Coeur de Lion to the Crusades - the cross being very evident in its design. (As you know we do not use coats of arms here, although the College of Heralds has of late graciously consented to design two for two of our American cities. Something quite special!)

    Among the growing number of manor and lordships by

controlled by the Whitneys he noted that Clifford and Glasbury were added by Henry IV in 1404. There were 10 in all. And, of course, he did not fail to tell of any Whitney connection with song or story. The Fair Rosamond was given her due. And in Richard II, Mr. Melville thought the Marchall was a Whiteny.

    After the death of Sir Thomas, the last of the Whitneys, Mr.

Melville tried to give a clear picture of the break-up and division of the extates and the names of the various people involved. It is difficult to follow. He tells of the placque in Hereford Cathedral to Lucy Booth, sister of Sir Thomas, which I myself saw. He found nothing left of Whitney Castle, its last fragments perhaps having been swept away when the change in the course of the Wye River in 1730. At that date the Lower Court was demolished as well as the church. These were said to have been rebuilt by the Wardours. I did not see the second Lower Court and so value the pictures taken by Mr. Pitt of The Boat Inn. I saw the belfry of the Church at Whitney, the Parish Church of St. Peter & St. Paul whose rector, The Rev. C. Beverly-Davis, has become a friend. But I did not see th ancient font for which Mr. Oliver Morel of Llanveyance made in 1963, a solid oak cover. My visit to Whitney-on-wye was in 1929.

    Mr. Melville describes his visit with Janet Dew, daughter

of Rev. Henry Dew, who was living in 1893. He had the same charming impression I had so many years later. Miss Janet was accustomed to American visitors and showed us a row of pictures of them, one being of Mr. William C. Whitney of New York, Secretary of the Navy under President Cleveland.

    What happened to the Whitney lands between 1893

and 1929 and between 1929 and today. In 1893 they were being held for Rosamond Clifford Dew. In 1929, 3,000 acres were owned by Captain Hope who lived in the great Whitney Court which crowned a hill overlooking the lovely Wye Valley. Dr. Trumper, physician of Aston Manor, Aston, Birmingham, held land on which stood the ruins of Clifford Castle, a beautiful spot close above the river with cattle grazing on the meadows (in 1929).

    I hope to learn more about the countryside of my

English forebears. At present I have the correspondents mentioned above and my old friends, Mr. & Mrs. J. L. Fox of Hereford for whom this brief account has been written as a small recognition of their letters and pictures.

              (Miss) Elizabeth Whitney Putnam
                   Brooklyn, N. Y.
                         1964

Edward Coates Sinker Church Lea Bosbury Herefordshire HR8 1PX U.K. email: [email protected]

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From: Wulf Losee <[email protected]> Subject: Re: A visit to the Hereford Public Record Office Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 18:16:45 -0800

Edward, thanks for your detailed posting. Is this to say that all the arguments about John Whitney's origin have been put to rest? Anyone else on the list care to comment, too?

Thanks! --Wulf

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From: "Edward Sinker" <[email protected]> Subject: Hereford Record Office Visit part II Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:53:15 -0000

Hi

Just one more little thing that I found at the HPRO.

Wills Proved in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury 1383-1558:

1544 Whitney, James, Troy, Monmouth; Hereford - 10 Pynnyng

1545 Whitney, James, diocese of Winton (sentence);

    Bartenle, Cheshire                 - F.33 Pynnyng
                                sentence 1546 fo. 30 Alen

1541 Whitney, Robert, esquier, Icombe, Gloucester;

    Rollrighte, Oxford                                            - 30 Alenger

1544 Whitney, Thomas, the Hay, Breknock; Calais - 23 Pynnyng

1588 Whitney, Thomas, clerck, died at Westminster;

    Delewcres, Stafford                - 36 Noodes

I don't know what all this tells us but it shows an interesting mix of the places which we are interested in. I don't know how one goes about obtaining copies of these wills but the 1588 one looks interesting. I don't recognize a lot of the names of places like Troy, Bartenle, Rollrighte, Breknock and Delewcres; unless they are the names of their estates???

Food for thought

Edward Coates Sinker Church Lea Bosbury Herefordshire HR8 1PX U.K. email: [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Hereford Record Office Visit part II

Dear Ed & WRG:

In a message dated 96-12-16 16:09:18 EST, you write:

>1544 Whitney, James, Troy, Monmouth; Hereford - 10 Pynnyng

Monmouth is a borough, a market town and a parish, Co. Monmouth [Wales], just to the west of the western corner where Hereford and Gloucestershire meet, downstream on the Wye River. Hereford is mentioned because this parish is in the Archdeaconry of Hereford, Diocese of Hereford. 10 Pynnyng is [probably] a record reference at the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, as would be the similar ones below.

>1545 Whitney, James, diocese of Winton (sentence); > Bartenle, Cheshire - F.33 Pynnyng > sentence 1546 fo. 30 Alen

This one is perplexing. I can find a Barton le Street and a Barton le Willows, both in the North Riding of Yorkshire, but no such place in Cheshire in my Genealogical Gazetteer of England. Likewise I can find no Diocese of Winton anywhere near Cheshire, not there or in any of the surrounding counties. I must admit my knowledge of ecclesiastical history is quite skimpy, but the Phillmore Parish Register Atlas and Index does not seem to show any such place anywhere near Cheshire.

>1541 Whitney, Robert, esquier, Icombe, Gloucester; > Rollrighte, Oxford - 30 Alenger

Icomb(e) in Gloucester is very clear, it was a prime Whitney seat from the time it passed from the Blackett family through the marriage of Anne Blackett to Ralph Baskerville, through his daughter Jane Baskerville upon her marriage to Simon Milbourne, and through Blanche Milbourne's marriage to Sir James Whitney. There are parishes of Great and Little Rollright, both in Co. Oxford and both in the Archdiocese and Diocese of Oxford. Why his will would have been proved there instead of in Worcester (Icomb is in the peculier of the Bishop of Worcester) I cannot guess.

>1544 Whitney, Thomas, the Hay, Breknock; Calais - 23 Pynnyng

Hay would seem to be Hay on Wye, just a short distance upstream on the Wye from Whitney and Clifford, which is in Brecon [Wales], and Hay is a parish within the Archidiaconal Consistory of Brecon. I have no idea what Calais refers to, unless he was resident in the Hay, but died while across the channel in Calais.

>1588 Whitney, Thomas, clerck, died at Westminster; > Delewcres, Stafford - 36 Noodes

Neither the Gazetteer or the Parish Atlas shows anything remotely resembling the name Delewcres. This one may be a manor or village that is not itself a parish, located in Staffordshire, and thus the only suggestion I could make would be to check the Parish Register at St. Margaret Westminster for a burial. I don't see at the moment how any search directed at Staffordshire would turn up anything without some further information to narrow things down. The name Thomas, associated with Westminster at a time period where such a man might have fathered a son of the same name ca 1563 is at least provocative, albeit not more than an avenue to investigate.

Hope this leads to further discoveries.

Allan E. Green <[email protected]>

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From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Whitney list Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:59:19 -0800

[email protected] wrote: > This question raises the matter of Benjamins supposed two marriages. Most of > us (I think) have him married to a Jane Poor(?), ca 1667/68, with the first > child born in Sept. 1669. Mary has been cited as a "sister" of Jane, but I > don't know where that came from. I have found in the Sherborn VR's a death > date for a Jane (Poor?) Whitney, that of 14 Nov 1690, with 11 Apr 1695, the > date of his marriage to Mary Poor. Since Benjamin was born in 1643, it would > seem likely that he had a wife prior to Mary Poor, (although I do not know at > present of the location of a record of such a marriage) and that this first > wife (Jane Whoever) is the mother of the seven children, Jane, Timothy, John, > Nathaniel, Jonathan, Benjamin(1) and Joshua, born between 1669 and 1687. I > show him also having with Mary Poor, three children, Mark, Isaac and > Benjamin(2) - which would suggest that Benjamin(1) probably died young. > > I don't know if I have helped solve the problem with the above or added to > the confusion. Let's hope that someone else can chime in with further and > better information. > > Allan > > I would hope that one of our newer members, with access to sources like > Torrey and Savage and Bond, as well as available VR's, will have the means of > helping clarify this question, and I, too, would like the answer. Without > taking the time to

According to my records:

Benjamin WHITNEY, son of John and Elinor (--?--) WHITNEY, born 06 Jun 1643, Watertown, Middlesex, MA ("Benjamin, the son of John & Elinor Whitney borne 6 (4) 1643"), died 26 Mar 1723, Sherborn, Middlesex, MA.

 He married firstly, c __ ___ 1668, Jane (--?--); York, York, ME.  She

d. 14 Nov 1690, Sherborn, Middlesex, MA.

 He married secondly, 13 Apr 1696  Mary POOR; Marlborough, Middlesex,

MA (husband "of Framingham", wife "of Marlborough").

 In 1667-1668 he resided in Cocheco, NH (appears on a list of

inhabitants taken from Dover Town Records).

 From 1668 he resided in York, York, ME (as appears by the Registry of

Deeds, Vol. III, p. 451-2).

 On 05 Apr 1670, John WHITNEY sold to Benjamin WHITNEY, land in

Watertown, Middlesex, MA, the former's house, barn, and all his land about the home (about 17 acres, bounded N. by John Sherman; E. and S. by William Bond; and W. by Martin Underwood).

 On 09 Mar 1671, Benjamin WHITNEY sold to Dea. Joshua WHITNEY, land in

Watertown, Middlesex, MA, with the consent of his father, for L40, all right to his father's homestead obtained 5 Apr 1670).

 On 03 Apr 1673, Watertown, Middlesex, MA, he is mentioned in his

father's will: will of John Whitny Senior of Watertown; son John Whitny; son Richard Whitny; son Thomas Whitny; son Jonathan Whitny; son Joshuah Whitny; son Beniamen Whitny; sons John Whitny and Joshuah Whitny, executors; friend William Bond Senior, overseer; witnesses, William Bond senior, Sarah Bond senior; signed by mark.

 On 04 Feb 1714, he is mentioned in the will of his nephew:  will of

Benjamin Whitne of Sherburn, husbandman; wife Mercy Witne; cousin James Whittne, son of my brother John Whittne and Mary his wife; uncle Benjamin Whittne; brother Joseph Whittne; brother Jonath Whittne; brother Josiah Whittne; brother Joseph Whittne; brother-in-law Major Adams; brother-in-law Cornelius Fisher; Marcy and Elizabeth Whitne, daughters of John Whittne my brother; Benjamin Fisher, son of Cornelius Fisher; Silvanus Whittne, son of Joseph Whittne; widow executrix; witnesses Benoni Lerned, Robert Danel, and Daniel Rider.

 He left no will, and no probate of his estate or that of his widow

Mary has been found in Middlesex Co., MA.

 Children of Benjamin and 1-Jane (--?--) WHITNEY:
    i. Jane WHITNEY, b. 29 Sep 1668; Watertown, Middlesex, MA; m. 04 Jan
       1693/4, Sherborn, Middlesex, MA, Jonathan MORSE.
   ii. Timothy WHITNEY, b. ca. 1672; res. York, York, ME.
  iii. Elinor WHITNEY, b. ca. 1675; d. aft. 24 Dec 1754; had illeg. son
       Daniel WHITNEY, b. 27 Feb 1705, Sherborn, Middlesex, MA.
   iv. John WHITNEY, b. ca. 1678; York, York, ME; m. ca. 1703, Letty
       FORD; d. aft. 1739.
    v. Nathaniel WHITNEY, b. 14 Apr 1680, York, York, ME; m. ca. 1705,
       Sarah FORD; d. ca. 1768, Gorham, Cumberland, ME.
   vi. Jonathan WHITNEY, b. ca. 1681; m. 14 Jan 1701, Medfield, Norfolk,
       MA, Susannah FAIRBANKS.
  vii. (prob.)Josiah WHITNEY, b. ca. 1683; m. ca. 1706, Miriam BARRETT;
       res. Chelmsford, Middlesex, MA, and Hardwick, Worcester, MA.
 viii. Benjamin WHITNEY, b. ca. 1685; m. 07 Aug 1705, Boston, MA,
       Esther/Hester (--?--) MAVERICK; d. after 1729.
   ix. Joshua WHITNEY, b. 21 Sep 1687; Sherborn, Middlesex, MA; m. 29
       Nov 1709, Medfield, Norfolk, MA, Hannah ROCKETT/ROCKWOOD; d. 16
       Jun 1771, Ware, Hampshire, MA.
 Children of Benjamin and 2-Mary (POOR) WHITNEY:
    x. Mark WHITNEY, b. ca. 1700; m. 04 Jan 1726/7, Framingham,
       Middlesex, MA, Tabitha MELLEN; d. 23 Jun 1760, Natick, Middlesex,
       MA.
   xi. Isaac WHITNEY, b. ca. 1702, m. 27 Sep 1722, Framingham,
       Middlesex, MA, Elizabeth BRIDGES; d. bet. 04 May and 29 Oct 1749,
       Hopkinton, MA.
  xii. Huldah WHITNEY, b. ca. 1704; m. 16 Nov 1724, Framingham,
       Middlesex, MA, Zachariah MORSE.

The Benjamin, son of Benjamin WHITNEY who was born 22 May 1709 in Sherborn, Middlesex, MA, was his grandson, son of Benjamin and Hester (--?--)(MAVERICK) WHITNEY.

This reconstruction is based on town vital records, Middlesex Co. probate records, associations in documents, and other circumstantial evidence. Since Benjamin left no probate, and all deeds have not yet been examined, many of the identifications of his children are not fully proven, but all are probable in my opinion. Part of the chain of reasoning involves the process of elimination, and others involve the residences of this family versus the residences of Benjamin's brothers and their children.

Bond's discussion of this family is incomplete. Torrey is not a lot of help, since he only gives marriage records, with no indication of the parents of the bride and groom. Savage is very much out of date. I do not trust Frederick Clifton Pierce's genealogy of the family, since I have found much error in his work.

I hope this adds to the discussion. I would be delighted to have others comment on this family. I descend from Joshua, the youngest child of the first wife Jane.

Robert L. Ward

<img src="/robertward.gif"> 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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From: "Edward Sinker" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: A visit to the Hereford Public Record Office Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 06:19:56 -0000

Hi Wulf

> Edward, thanks for your detailed posting. Is this to say that all the > arguments about John Whitney's origin have been put to rest? Anyone > else on the list care to comment, too?

Not in the least. I am just putting a bit of petrol (gas) on the fire. Unfortunately when Elizabeth Whitney Putnam wrote:

  "To find the connection of Thomas Whitney with the Whitneys of
    Whitney is much easier as the British Museum has the records"

She did not say what those records were.

Has anybody been to the British Museum and seen any Whitney records??? I have never been there. They are just beginning to move the books out of there and into the new British Library which took many years to build and hundred of millions of pounds. It looks like it will be a good place to go to do research some day.

Edward Coates Sinker Church Lea Bosbury Herefordshire HR8 1PX U.K. email: [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 07:21:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Whitney list

Dear Mr. Ward:

As usual, you have a carefully prepared and documented offering. I thank you, and this is just what I was hoping for when I made my posting based on admittedly incomplete information. I especially appreciate the information about the land transfers in Watertown, as I had not seen any of that before.

I'll be editing, correcting and adding to my data based on your information.
I have a couple of questions about the location of various VR's, but will

need a bit of time to assimilate and organize them. I'll write again soon, perhaps tomorrow.

Sincerely,

Allan E. Green <[email protected]>

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From: [email protected] Subject: Re: A visit to the Hereford Public Record Office Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 07:21:32 -0500

Hi Wulf:

I wouldn't say put to rest, more like held in abeyance for a while until the opportunity presents itself to pursue alternatives to the lineage of Thomas Whitney of Lambeth Marsh and Westminster, John's father. I had not known of the 1588 will of a Thomas Whitney, possibly of Staffordshire, clerk at Westminster, whose placement there around the time of the potential birth of the Thomas who was John's father (ca 1563) would seem to bear investigating.

I find it so frustrating to have this come up after I returned from London, as I spent a lot of hours trying to find the origin of the Henry Whitney who came to CT in the 1640's for the benefit of the members of the group who are descended from that branch, and almost as many searching fruitlessly for John and Elinor's marriage [I searched every county in England in the Marriage Indexes located at the Society of Genealogists Library]. I could have been following this problem when I was there where the records are. Now that I am home in SE KY I won't get access to any of the sources I want to consult until next summer, when I will head for DC to the Library of Congress. The only alternative is to hope that a couple of the new members in England would be willing to devote some time to this, and, other than Ed Sinker, an expatriate American, they are, as best I have been able to determine, all not a part of the John and Elinor line.

Perhaps you might remember the punch line to the old joke about the farmer and the mule. "Patience, jackass, patience!"

Allan

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 18:42:05 -0800 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Pierce's book

Joan W. Hantel wrote: > Hi, Bob. I was told to contact you for further information re. my Samuel > Whitney (1688-1753, Norwalk and Stratford) who m. Anne Laboree 18 Jan. 1722, > Norwalk. Their daughter, Sarah (1723-1794) m. Daniel Foote (1717-1790) 1746, > Stratford, both later of Newtown. (My 5-great grandparents.) Ann Laboree, > Huguenot, daughter of Rev. Dr. James Laborie and Jeanne Ressiguie. From > Whitney Genealogy as mentioned Samuel was son of John (1646-1720, Southold > and Norwalk) and Elizabeth Smith; And, John, son of Henry? Is this correct? > Dates for John? > Wife of Henry (not 2nd wife, Sartah, widow of Edward Ketcham.) All help > appreciated! thanks > Please e-mail direct: joan2njmug.org > > - via BulkRate 2.1 > /-/ NJMUG BBS \-\ New Jersey Macintosh Users Group /-/ > /-/ 908.388.1676 \-\ http://www.intac.com/njmug/ /-/ > /-/ (28.8K) FirstClass BBS \-\ <mailto:[email protected]> /-/?

Samuel WHITNEY of Stratford, CT, was baptized 17 Jul 1687, Watertown, MA, son of Nathaniel and Sarah (HAGAR) WHITNEY, grandson of John and Ruth (REYNOLDS) WHITNEY, and great-grandson of John and Elinor (-----) WHITNEY, the immigrants from England. He died 6 Dec 1753, Stratford, CT.

 He m. 18 Jan 1720/1, Stratford, CT, Anne LABOREE, and had at least

four children:

   i. Sarah WHITNEY, b. 29 Aug 1723.
  ii. Mary WHITNEY, b. 19 Nov 1725.
 iii. Samuel WHITNEY, b. 13 Dec 1727, Stratford.
  iv. Anne WHITNEY, b. 15 Nov 1730.
 The proof that he was the son of Nathaniel WHITNEY of Watertown (and

Weston), MA, and not son of John and Elizabeth (SMITH) WHITNEY (no relation to Nathaniel!), lies in the probate records of his father, Middlesex County, MA, File No. 24731. On 2 Dec 1734 an administration account on the estate of Nathaniel WHITNEY was presented in court; and present was Mr. Josiah Hobbs, attorney for Samuel WHITNEY. On 13 Jan 1734/5 the real estate was settled on William WHITNEY, Jr., a grandson, he to pay his uncle Samuel WHITNEY L60-7s-11&1/7d. On 10 Nov 1735, another administration account was presented, including payment to Josiah Hobbs, attorney to "Saml. WHITNEY of Stratford".

 This is definitive, despite what has appeared in print.

I descend from Samuel's sister Hannah WHITNEY, who married Nathaniel Billing, so I can help with the HAGAR and REYNOLDS families, too.

At one time I thought I descended from the LABORIE family, too, through my CABLE family of Fairfield, since John CABLE, m. Anne LABORIE on 3 May 1756, Westport, CT. She was daughter of James and Abigail (BLACKLEACH) LABORIE, and niece of Anne (LABORIE) WHITNEY. Unfortunately, now I believe my CABLE ancestry runs through Jabez CABLE, brother of John, and so I have lost my connection to the LABORIE family. Nevertheless, I have some information about this family, too.

I am interested in more information about the children of Samuel and Anne (LABORIE) WHITNEY, beyond what I have listed above. I am especially interested in documentation of this and other data.

Your very distant cousin,

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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From: "Edward Sinker" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Whitney list Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 20:42:58 -0000

Robert

> According to my records: > > Benjamin WHITNEY, son of John and Elinor (--?--) ....<snip>

I just wanted to thank you personally for sending your data concerning my ancestor. I appreciate receiving this information which would otherwise be very difficult to obtain on my own.

Edward Coates Sinker Church Lea Bosbury Herefordshire HR8 1PX U.K. email: [email protected]

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From: [email protected] (Joan W. Hantel) Subject: Re: Re: Pierce's book Date: 19 Dec 1996 02:17:40 GMT

In message ID <[email protected]> on 12/17/96, Robert L. Ward wrote: Samuel WHITNEY of Stratford, CT, was baptized 17 Jul 1687, Watertown, MA, son of Nathaniel and Sarah (HAGAR) WHITNEY, grandson of John and Ruth (REYNOLDS) WHITNEY, and great-grandson of John and Elinor (-----) WHITNEY, the immigrants from England. He died 6 Dec 1753, Stratford, CT.I descend from Samuel's sister Hannah WHITNEY, who married Nathaniel Billing, so I can help with the HAGAR and REYNOLDS families, too.

LABORIE family.  Nevertheless, Ihave some information about this family,

too.

I am interested in more information about the children of Samuel an> Anne

(LABORIE) WHITNEY, beyond what I have listed above. I am especially interested in documentation of this and other data.

 Your very distant cousin,
 Robert L. Ward
<img src="/robertward.gif">

12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832

301-776-1659 Wow! Bingo! You've straightened out this mess and I do promise you, you will get more information re. Samuel and Anne Laborie Whitney after Christmas--or, if you can't wait, it's all in the 2 volumes of the Descendants of Nathaniel Foote by Abram Foote. Even my mother is in there! I do have more on the Labories (Laboree) and I joined the Huguenot Association of America on Jacques Laboree. I'll take you up on your offer of information on the Hagar and Reynolds families as well as any additional info. you have on the Laborees. Did you ever find anything on Jeanne Resseguie, first wife of Rev. Dr. James Laboree? You do know that James (Jacques) was a very early minister of Saint Esprit in NY. So, thanks much and you'll hear from me again, soon. And, I hope I'll hear more from you real soon. Merry, merry joan

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From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: My new Web Site Date: 21 Dec 96 12:24:05 EST

Hello everyone! Seeing how many folks have made homepages, I decided I wanted to do it myself. What a learning experience! I downloaded the HOTDOG home page editor & have used it to create a simple home page... limited graphics for my first attempt, but I think it's informative enough as a start. (Wish I could make my page as beautiful as the Winch page! .. RANDY, what editor do you use?.. and where in the world do I find a GIF editor so I can make up some neat graphics?)

My home page even has a FILE DOWNLOAD AREA which contains my own databases, plus my version of the John & Elinor file (includes all my source notes!) as well as the MISCWHIT file.

Check it out .. and please let me know if any of you have any problems with it!

The address is:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jwmuse

JEANNE

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From: [email protected] Subject: Lambeth Marsh Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 15:32:33 -0500

Hi Again, I took a shot of the Plaque in Lower Marsh across the bridge at Westminster. It reads as follows: LOWER MARSH Welcome to Lower Marsh so named because it lies on the site of ancient Lambeth Marsh, which first appeared in Historical Records in 1377.

This historic street has operated as a street market and centre for local shoppng since the mid nineteenth century.

In 1984 Lmbeth Council designated Lower Marsh and its immediate surroundings a conservation area in recognition of its special character.

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From: "Roger, Carolyn or Randy Winch" <[email protected]> Subject: Database Updated !!! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 00:56:54 -0600

Hi All,

I added the misc Whitney's to the database !!! 6,692 names now !!! Accessed 1059 times. Database: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gumby/genweb/Whitney/Whitney.html

Randy

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From: Tom Howder <[email protected]> Subject: New to WHITNEY List Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 15:35:08 -0500 (EST)

Dear Whitneys,

I recently discovered your incredibly productive discussion group. About a week ago I was hunting through Gendex (http://www.gendex.com/) as I do periodically for the surname Sylvester. I got a hit on a familiar sounding name, Caleb Sylvester, and followed it to the Whitney (Witney11.ged?) database (http://www.rootsweb.com/~gumby/genweb/Whitney/Whitney.html). There I found Caleb Sylvester listed as the spouse of Joanna-6 Whitney (of the line Micah-5, Abel-4, Nathaniel-3, Benjamin-2, John-1, it turns out). My records matched on the names and pretty close on the dates for Caleb Sylvester / Joanna Whitney and also Micah-5 Whitney / Hannah Cobb (You can see where Joanna ties into my Sylvester line at my first attempt at a genealogy page -- http://www.netrail.net/~howder/genlines.html).

>From there I used your database to uncovered my relation up through the John Whitney / Elinor line. Next I queried Maiser and downloaded the files in the Whitney discussion archive. I just spent the last two days reading through the resulting 216 page document of your discussions since October, and I am still amazed at the wealth of information and level of discourse exhibited by this group. I had not had a chance to research the line further so you can imagine my excitement at finding your database and bringing it back another five generations. My thanks go out to those of you who took the time to post the Vital Records to the listserv, contributed to the Gedcom file, and made the information available through the Net. I definitely plan to ftp a copy of Witney11.ged and look at my line in more detail, with an eye towards the primary and secondary sources used to build it. Also, I sure would be interested in contacting anyone who might have additional sources of information on the later generations (i.e., Joanna-6, Micah-5, Abel-4).

The only Whitney-specific information I compiled while working on my Sylvester line is described below. Perhaps some of you might find it useful?

Keep up the good work!

Tom Howder Arlington, VA

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Joanna Whitney (daughter of Micah Whitney and Hannah Cobb) d. April 16, 1863, Mifflin, Iowa Co., WI M. Abt 1817 Caleb Barker Sylvester (August 09, 1793 - February 16, 1868)

Information listed in: Commemorative Biographical Record of the Counties of Rock, Green, Grant, Iowa and Lafayette Wisconsin. Chicago: J. H. Beers & Co., 1901. Pages 432-433. Available at the Daughters of the American Revolution Library, Washington, DC. The entry is for Eben Whitney Sylvester (caution: I have not had a chance to confirm most of the details. Although Eben was the son of Joanna Whitney and the basics would presumably have some degree of accuracy, sometimes folks embellish their biographies).

Eben Whitney Sylvester, one of the most esteemed of the surviving pioneers of Iowa county, is a native of the Pine Tree State, born in the town of Phillips, Franklin county, Aug. 25, 1820. Caleb and Joanna (Whitney) Sylvester, his parents, were also natives of Maine, and sprang of families conspicuous in the early annals of New England... <SNIP> ...Caleb Sylvester was born Aug 9, 1793, at Bath, Maine, but removed in early life to the town of Phillips, where he followed the business of surveyor and filled numerous official positions, including that of member of the Legislature. In 1844 he came to Wisconsin, and, two years later, settled in the town of Mifflin, Iowa county, where he reached the age of nearly seventy-five years. He was the father of twelve children, all of whom grew to maturity. His wife Joanna (Whitney), who was distinguished by her industrious and frugal habits, passed away at the age of sixty-three years. She was born at Otisfield, Maine, a daughter of Michael [this is undoubtedly a typo: EVERY other source I have seen lists him as Micah] Whitney, who spent seven years in the Continental Army. Two of his sons took part in the battle of Lake Champlain during the war of 1812, another son, Joel, became a leading citizen of the town of Phillips, where he operated a store and mill, and served in the Legislature. Ancestors of this family came to Massachusetts in the seventeenth century, and many of its members were prominent in the civil and military affairs of the colony.

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From: Bert Smith <[email protected]> Subject: Watertown diskette Date: 22 Dec 96 19:12:44 EST

Greetings,

Whitney researchers should be aware of the diskette described in the current (Oct) issue of New England Computer Genealogist: A Watertown Database has been created from several different sources, which can be searched using a DOS based program called VitalRex which is included. The diskette is available from the NEHGS sales department for $19.95.

The demo printout in the Computer Genealogist is for the Hagar family, which is the family of Sarah Hagar, wife of Nathaniel(3) Whitney.

There may not be much new information there, but it should be a convenient place to document data that has been floating around.

Warmest seasons greetings to you all.

Bert

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From: [email protected] Subject: Re Whitney Gen. Database on Web Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 07:28:19 -0500

Randy et al . . .

If I wanted to do so, how would one add more children to an individual (or married couple) in our database? Is that the "add a link"? Or should I send this infomation to Jon first ? From the VR supplied by Robert Ward, I believe I have determined the children of Daniel and Dorothy Tainter Whitney.

Is there a double check for accuracy before we add data?  I would appreciate

a double check if possible, accuracy is so important.

Thanks, Karen

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From: [email protected] Subject: England Whitneys database? Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 08:34:44 -0500

Hi . . .

For some time I have only been able to monitor the group due to work load but now have more time and hope to be more actively involved . . . which brings me to my point. Is anyone putting together a database for our English ties?

I realize there is still discussion going on but wonder if we could do this

with appropriate caution?

If this seems do-able, I am happy to offer to compile said database with the

understanding that work may slow me down here and there [I am director/ bookkeeper/ chief cook and bottle washer of a small Christian School which is possibly adding grades 1-5 for the fall of '97). My plan is to compile in a separate file on FTM . . . Jon, is using FTM like this a good idea?

Or is there a database out there?

Your comments please. Karen

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From: [email protected] Subject: Additions to the Whitney Gen Database? Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 08:34:42 -0500

Hi all,

I wonder if it would be a good idea to discuss "policy" regarding additions to the web site data base?

I have spent some time in the Watertown VR so kindly supplied by Robert L Ward and have an idea about Daniel (4) [Benjamin (3), John (2), John (1)] and Dorothy Tainter Whitney's children but hesitate to add this information to my own database without some confirmation, much less add it to the web page data base. I believe a reputation for a high degree of accuracy would serve us well.

Should we discuss and determine guidelines of additions to our database?

Should all additions be filtered through Jon before additions are made?

Are additions made thru the "add a link" on the page?

I have a credible source in the VR but what if I am in error in assigning the children of the Daniel and Dorothy listed to my line????

Anyone interested in such a discussion?

Thanks, Karen

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From: [email protected] Subject: Re: England Whitneys database? Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 09:53:43 -0500

Karen:

I have been keeping the England database for some time, but have been quite reluctant to publish it because of the clearly valid challenge to the prior connection between Thomas Whitney, John's father, and his putative father, Robert Whitney. I have a large collection of Whitney ancestors stored in my personal PAF program, some but not all derived from Melville (the rest from my own searches in various English record sources). However, accepting that Robert is not the father of Thomas, it now stands at one generation plus a LOT of historically interesting but as-of-now unconnected Whitney data. I, and I hope a number of others are trying to plot out an effort to repair the "breach", but doing so quickly is impossible from southeastern Kentucky.

Always looking for advice and suggestions.

Allan

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From: "Roger, Carolyn or Randy Winch" <[email protected]>

Subject: Add a link Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 10:27:28 -0600

Hi All,

The add a link feature is not for adding children or changing data. It is for telling anyone visiting that person that you have additional/different information about them. Hope this clears up any confusion.

Randy

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From: "Edward Sinker" <[email protected]> Subject: Gloucestershire Record Office Visit Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 17:43:55 -0000

Hi Everybody

I spent a few hours at the Gloucestershire Record Office today to see what might be available on the Whitneys.

I'll first list what I found in the card catalogue.

Whitney Family - 16th c. onwards D6755/1/1/14

Whitney, Alice - 1602 Lassington GDR 134/1/1539 B4

Whitney, Ann - 1634 Weston-upon-Avon D2957 P/1342

                             334(1)1639

Whitney, Henry - ditto ditto

Whitney, Oliver - 1567 GDR 24P.68

Whitney, Robert - son of Robert 1544 Hawling GDR 16 Doc. 12

Whitney, Robert - Esq./Vicar 1538 Hawling ditto

               Father of Robert

Whitney/Wytney, Robert - 1555 Cheltenham GDR 10. P42

Whitney, Stephen - 1639 Weston-upon-Avon D2957 P/1342

                             334 (1)

Witney (Whytney), George - Icomb 1587 D.128.1

Witney, Henry - 1667/8 Cirencester Q1 Si 61. F180

Witney/Wytney, Robert - 1555 Cheltenham GDR 11. P.67

Icomb Parish Register was available on fiche. Baptisms - 1545, 1557-1812 Marriages - 1563-1833 Burials - 1602-1812

Gloucestershire Parish Register by W.P.W. Phillimore

    Vo. xiii, 1908 - Marriages at Icombe 1563 to 1812
              Only one entry that I could find  p. 148 -
  George WHITNEY, Gent., & Mris Mary [SABEDY?] 6 Feb. 1608

If the Whitneys got married it does not look like they did it at the Icombe parish church. I suppose a family of that stature would have married in a cathedral.

I got the first item from the card catalogue out and spent the next hour or so trying to read the handwriting in the book that was given to me.

Inside the front cover was a paper pasted on to it with the following which was typed:

Pedigrees copied from Harleian Mss, among the Baskerville, Blackett, Whitney, Bishopston and Catesby.

Certified copies of records in public record office, I.P.M., Wills,ect.

Transcripts of the registers of Oddington 1549-1704

Miscellaneous notes relating to varioius places in Glos.

The copies of the Harleian Mss were the only things of interest. (not many dates - only relationships - I can't guarantee the spelling since it was in poor handwriting and sometimes in latin)

Harl: 1159 fo. 43 Visitation of Hereford 1586

Randolph Pembridge = John Pembridge = Alice Pembridge = John Merbury Elizabeth Merbury = Thomas Oldcastle Joanna Oldcastle = Robert Whitney Eustace Whitney

Harl: 1041 fo.45 Visitation of Gloucestershire 1583-1623

James Whitney of Whitney = Blanche dau of Simon Melborne

                          (she 2nd to Sir William Hurbert of Troye)
    children:
    1.Sir James Whitney ob. s.p.
    2. Elizabeth = Thomas Morgan of Arleston
    3. Anne = Henry Cory Lord of Hunsdon, Knight of the Garter
    4. Robert = Sibeil dau to Sir James Baskerville

Child of 4. Robert Whitney = Sibeil:

Robert Whitney = Elizabeth dau to Morgan ap Gwillims

    children:
    1. William
    2. Thomas
    3. Richard
    4. Nicholas
    5. Margaret
    6. Anne = Thomas Rober. . .?(sic)

Next Page (no reference)

Baldwin Whitney = Pychard Eustachius (latin for Eustace?)Whitney of Whitney ?Mill = Clanvow??? Robert Whitney of Whitney ?Mill = Russell Eustachius = Parrey Robert Whitney = 1st dau. of Thos. Rogers of Hereford

          = 2nd Constancia dau. ??

Jacobius Whitney = Blanch dau of Simon Mulborne (he James above) she 2nd to William Hurbert

    children:
          1.Watkins Whitney = Margaret dau of Jenkin Reece
                         of Clyton co. Radnor
           2.Robert Whitney of Whitney = Margaret dau of
                        Robert Wye in Co. Gloc.

child of 1. Watkins Whitney:

         Jenkyn Whitney = Katherine dau of Robert Clough
                  (Harl.Mss. 1442 f.101)          of Co. Salop

children of 2. Robert Whitney:

1. Sir Robert Whitney = Sibile dau of Sir Jas. Baskerville, Knight 2. Jacob Whitney ob. s.p. 3. Elizabeth Whitney = Guwelimi Bastard (well that is what it looked like)

              of Banbury

4. Elosius Whitney duxit . . . . filiaius ?5. George Whitney = Savage (this was squashed up on the right hand side

    of the paper and so I don't know if he belongs to this generation or
    the next) George Whitney, Gent. married Miss Mary Savidg 1605
    John Savedg s. Walter Savedg, Gent., baptized 10 Sept. 1605
    ? in Whitney buried.

children of 1. Sir Robert Whitney: 1. Sir Jas Whitney of Whitney, Knight, ob. s.p. 2. Eustace Whitney of Whitney = Margaret ?dau of William Vaughan

                        of Claybun, co. Radnor?

3. Blanche = Robert ??Gilbert?? Esq. 4.Elizabeth = John Perce of Mana ?L???, co. Radnor 5. Robert Whitney 3 sonne

               (again squashed on the right hand side of the page it

looked

       like the following was his child - shame this because it is
       rather important)
 Thomas Whitney of Westminster =
         I
 Robert Whitney of Minster m Mary of  John Towers of Shropshire
                        (could have been Powers)
         i
John Whiney at 38 1676 claims to be heire male of the whole
         family  1442/67/

children of 2. Eustace: 1. Thomas Whitney - 2 sonne 2. Sir Robert Whitney in co. Hfd., Kt. 1634 mill 1617 = Anne da. of

              Sir Thos. Lucy of Charlcot, Warwickshire

3. Elinnor = Sir Henry Williams of ??Gugonenton??, Brecknock 4. Jane = John Wynne of Lawton in Co. Hfd.

Okay, that is about it. I'll leave it to you without any comment except to say that I don't think it clears anything up and just rekindles the John & Elinor descendants of the Whitneys of Hfd. debate. Who is going to the British Museum to see what these documents actually say?

Edward Coates Sinker Church Lea Bosbury Herefordshire HR8 1PX U.K. email: [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Adding Information to Database Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 17:57:19 -0500

Dear Ron and WRG:

First, let me thank everyone for the kind and friendly set of Holiday greetings that have come over the wire recently. They have "made my days merry and bright", coming from friends and associates that I have so recently gained. May I take this opportunity to add my own heartfelt best wishes for Happy Holidays to all the rest of my Whitney "cousins" in the WRG.

I am agreeable to contributing the Pre-John & Elinor English database if it appears that a number of people think that is the right thing to do to promote the gathering of further information and the ultimate correction of such errors as may be involved. Randy, is there a way that it can be made crystal clear that the Thomas/Robert connection is currently believed to be unsupportable? It seems to me that all the other material in there, from Robert on back to the 12th C. is not currently being challenged, and thus may well provide points of diversion to other branches that may then prove to be the ones needed to reconnect Thomas with the main line from Whitney-on-Wye in Hereford.

If the consensus is that this material should be added to that currently being offered on Randy's Website, then I would like a little time to run through it again, to check for obvious errors resulting from an earlier

• Match/Merge* session that need cleaning out, etc. I may also need to add

some sources to some of the records where I may have sourced the first item in a line that I was adding and then not put the same information in succeeding records.

Do some of you remember the attempt that Jon Aston made almost a year ago to resolve differences between data from about four different contributors?

This was probably before most of the current members even joined the group.
Jon published a comparative list of Whitney descent (pre-John in England)

over 10 or 12 generations, that showed the information from each of the four sources (one of which was me), and asked for help in figuring out how to resolve those differences. Forgive me if my memory is wrong, but I seem to remember that I was the only one who responded with sources for almost all of my data to back up my version. Jon, is that the way you remember the process? If this is true, then maybe by default mine essentially becomes the basis of further work and confirmation.

I thank Ron for his comments and suggestions, which make a lot of sense. I will await the expression of opinion from a few other sources, as I don't believe that this should be a decision that Ron and I make for the whole group. What we put out there for the world to see reflects on all of us who are cooperating in this endeavor, and I want it to be the best it can possibly be.

Again, may I wish everyone Happy Holidays and Happy Hunting:-)

Allan

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From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Gloucestershire Record Office Visit

Glad to see the results of your searching Ed. I'd like to ask you to keep an eye out for the Whitney's who went to Bermuda. This would be Capt. Francis Whitney who died in Bermuda ( aka Summer Islands then) in 1619. He was enroute to Virginia with the ship Garland for the Virginia Co., in which he hed 2 shares, when he died from injuries suffered in a storm off Bermuda. It is believed Samuel Whitney was his son . Samuel was born in England in about 1615 and died in Bermuda in 1674.

I'm posting this to the list so the new members will be aware of this line

of Whitney's in case they trip across anything. This family came into VA in 1721 when went to NC -> SC -> KY. Would like any info on Whitneys in those states. I'm working on a web page for this line of Whitneys. Hope to have it in a week or two, if I don't develop a drinking problem from trying to figure it out ;<).

A little list business while I'm here. Larry is trying to get a new program up and running. That's why there was no mail for about 4-5 hours on Sunday. This will happen some more. When he does get it in we will have digest again. To repeat that though, it's WHEN the new software goes in. We DON'T have digest now.

Last but not least I'd like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Bye, Michael Whitney

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From: Ronald Whitney <[email protected]> Subject: Adding Information to Database Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 16:38:49 +0000

Merry Christmas All!!

My suggestion on the subject of adding information to the database would be to: 1. Leave the Witney11 database intact on the website. 2. Post and or submit any additional information to the entire group so that it may be evaluated, confirmed, or disputed. 3. Add the information to Witney12 database. 4. Replace Witney11 with 12 when the volume of new information becomes sufficient to justify it. Perhaps by the time we get to Witney50 we will have captured every Whitney in the world.(could happen!)

On the pre-John and Elinor question. I would like to see the database online with the caveat that there is a question about the parentage of Thomas. There may just be someone out there in cyberspace who has the answer to the question but is unaware what the question is because it is not published. In my former life as a scientist I saw a lot of really great research go to waste because the researcher was too afraid their might be an error and, thus, never published. 'Nuff said.

I too would like to know how to access the archives at Maiser in case I run into a Whitney who wants to play catch-up.

Ron and Roxie Whitney E-mail: [email protected]

Homepage: http://www.Geocities.com/NapaValley/2212/

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From: Stan & Mary Ann Lindsay <[email protected]> Subject: [Fwd: Re: Gloucestershire Record Office Visit] Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 22:09:43 -0800

Edward Sinker wrote: > > Hi Mary Ann > > > Hi Edward, I have one question- what does > > Whitney, Henry--ditto- ditto mean??? Above that is Whitney Ann 1634 etc. > > Please explain? Is this MY Henry Whitney 1620 Herts? > > Whitney, Ann - 1634 Weston-upon-Avon D2957 P/1342 > 334(1)1639 > > Whitney, Henry - ditto > ditto > > All that I meant by that was same as above. The document refers to a > Henry Witney in 1634 Weston-upon-Avon which is the same document > which refers to Ann Whiteny. It might have something to do with your > Henry. Hertfordshire is some distance to Weston-upon-Avon which > I assume means the one near Bath but does not preclude him being > one and the same person. Unfortunately I will not be going back to > the Gloucestershire Record Office for quite some time to look at the > rest of these documents. I wish I had the time. It is my idea of fun > looking up these things. > > Edward Coates Sinker > Church Lea > Bosbury > Herefordshire HR8 1PX > U.K. > email: [email protected] Thanks Edward, another message follows this one. MAL

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From: Stan & Mary Ann Lindsay <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Gloucestershire Record Office Visit Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 22:18:24 -0800

Hi again Edward, I had written a message and then sent it into cyberspace somehow, that's how tired I am. Hope all received the forwarded message between you and me so they will know what I am talking about when I say this..... Could this be the same Henry Whitney of Herts? We have no record of him in the US until 1639 when he acquired land in NY. Could he have gone to Gloucestershire? Do any of you have opinions on this one?? Thanks for any help, and best wishes to all of you. MAL

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From: [email protected] Subject: re:Adding info to database, documentation issues.... Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 10:35:56 -0500 (EST)

Hi Whitney researchers .... I'm new here and so far have only learned from you all ... have not been able to add anything to your efforts. I do, however, want to add my voice to those in support of fully documenting research in such a way that that documentation is automatically included with the results of the research. I started studying my family history about 2 years ago with a large volume of work in hand that had been done by a cousin. To that I added the little that I knew from the other side of the family. It was so easy to just type people into PAF without entering why I thought the info was correct. The file I had from my cousin was partly documented but suffered from some of the same problem.Next I was diverted from family history for a couple of years. Now when I am starting up again I find that a major task is revisiting the work I did before to separate the good from the bad. This problem is aggravated by any info downloaded or copied from the internet ... the documentation is often (usually?) not present. This Whitney group and the Wright group seem to be the lists I am following that are being the most productive ... lots cooperation and real joint progress....My vote is to take the time and set up any databases with HEAVY documentation... make it so people can't download the results without it.... Please keep up the good work ... I look forward to contributing when I get that far along.... David HAMILL

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From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: A Humble Thanks Date: 24 Dec 96 16:09:21 EST

My arms are outstretched to give all of you a big, warm hug! I never ever dreamed that my little gedcom file (ELI.GED - which I contributed to America OnLine last winter) would cause such a wonderful group to be formed -- and to grow into an extended "family" -- our Whitneys. I knew something good had happened when our "family" contained over 80 people!

It makes me feel good inside to know that the few of us who started corresponding early on brought together such a magnificent group of people. We Whitney descendants, and all connected with the Whitney name, are THE BEST ... THE CREAM OF THE CROP ... and I'm mighty proud to be a Whitney!

Happy Holidays to all! We're heading to Key Largo again for a week after Christmas. Scuba-diving again!

Love to all, Jeanne (Whitney) Muse

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From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif">

Subject: Articles On Line Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 09:20:24 -0500 (EST)

Merry Christmas!

I have just uploaded two articles on the ancestry of John Whitney of Watertown, Mass. One is by Donald Lines Jacobus, published in 1933-34, and the other is by Paul C. Reed, published in 1994. Together they form the scholarly basis for the challenge to Henry Melville, _The_Ancestry_of_John_Whitney_, and the assertions about the ancestry of Thomas Whitney of Westminster, gent., who married Mary Bray in 1583.

If those of us who descend from this branch believe the arguments presented there, and I regretfully must, we must admit that the parentage of Thomas is at best unproven, and at worst unknown.

Read them yourself and come to your own conclusions. The URLs are: http://www.erols.com/whitney/jacobus.wpd http://www.erols.com/whitney/reed.wpd

Regards,

Robert Ward Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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From: Edward Sinker <[email protected]> Subject: Articles On Line Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 20:36:26 +0000

Hi Robert

>I have just uploaded two articles on the ancestry of John Whitney of >Watertown, Mass. One is by Donald Lines Jacobus, published in 1933-34, >and the other is by Paul C. Reed,published in 1994. Together they form >the scholarly basis for the challenge to Henry Melville,

Thank you for mentioning the two URLs for the articles. I already have the Reed one and tried to download the Jacobus article but it didn't work. I don't know if others had any problem. I suspect a lot of people are away for Christmas at the moment. I stripped the URL down to http://www.erols.com but could not find it from there. Would it be possible for you to copy and paste them either for me or the the list?

I find the Reed article assumes that you already know something about the claim being made by John Whitney and so does not bother to expand on some of his comments. Perhaps the Jacobus article helps to fill in the gaps.

I find the comment by Reed that the Harleian mss "had been drawn up on behalf of John Whitney, apparently a cousin of the New England immigrant" rather unhelpful since he is claiming the descent but we don't even know if he is related to John and Elinor. Reed never saw, from what I can gather, the manuscripts in the British Museum. He refers to the Llyfr Baglan which was compiled between 1600-1607 which is 70 years before the claim was made.

He makes odd comments such as "Robert was definitely third and not second son" but the mss clearly shows this to be the case so why is he even mentioning it and if the John to whom he is referring made the claim that Robert was the second son then he was so clearly wrong that his claim just could not have ever been taken seriously.

Finally, Reed makes spends a considerable amount of time writing about the Towers marriage and that the father of Mary came from either Cheshire or Shropshire. The copy of the mss that I saw at Gloucestershire Public Record Office only mentions Shropshire. Shropshire is adjacent to Herefordshire so there is nothing odd in Robert marrying a girl from the county nexdoor. His Cheshire comment as far as I can see have nothing to do with the claim nor is there any documented connection between the Towers and the Whineys of Coole Pilate. Reed just wove in the one with the other and then goes on to use the "Whitney Family of Connecticut" to support his case of fraud.

I do feel that Reed is suggesting that not only was this John Whitney attempting to perpetrate a fraud but he is also suggesting that Melville was also by saying that Melville, "supplemented his genealogy with many transcriptions of wills........., making his work appear to be highly trustworthy." What I ask you was Melville supposed to do, NOT supplement his genealogy with transcriptions, etc?

Having said all that, I do find the claim, as I understand it unconvincing. The dates do suggest that descent from Robert, the fifth child of Sir Robert Whitney born about 1520 to be virtually impossible. Which makes me ask if the claim was correctly understood and why if the claim was so manifestly false that the manuscript was saved and stored in the British Museum.

I would like to see what the arguments put forward by John Whitney were. I would like to see what the College of Arms had to say about it. I assume that the case was so weak that it never went to court. I would like to know who this John was.

I think the case is still unproven either way. I look forward to seeing the Jacobus article.

Edward Coates Sinker   -  email:  [email protected]
Church Lea
Bosbury
Herefordshire  HR8 1PX

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Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 13:13:48 +0400 From: Paul & Brenda Nichols <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Articles On Line

Good afternood, Robert.

 I couldn't connect with either of the URL's.

 Paul & Brenda

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From: [email protected] Subject: Ron Whitney's additions suggestion excellent Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 18:23:03 -0500

I agree with Ron's suggestion. Karen

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From: [email protected] Subject: Re: England Whitneys database Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 18:23:17 -0500

Allan and all,

I believe it is critical that, as a group, we maintain a high level of credibility by safeguarding the publishing of unproven information. I remember some discussion (printed and filed all the email) regarding the English line but, for some reason (a head in the clouds?), I had not realized the difficulty was in the second English generation. I also remember the work Jon did comparing our English information . . . quite a lot of work . . .

I would like to find the answer to our problem and like the idea of publishing it with provisos but know that the "conditions" are quickly dropped or forgotten and all that is remembered is "Oh, I got it from the Whitney group!" There goes our reputation for accuracy. Documentation is so important. Accuracy is one of the elements that makes this crazy avocation challenging and so rewarding.

Perhaps the database can be sent via gedcom to those who want it but left unpublished?

I'll support the group's concensus.

A very happy and successful New year to all!

Karen

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From: Marion Leska <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Articles On Line Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 19:02:41 -0500

Edward Sinker wrote: > > Hi Robert > > >I have just uploaded two articles on the ancestry of John Whitney of > >Watertown, Mass. One is by Donald Lines Jacobus, published in 1933-34, > >and the other is by Paul C. Reed,published in 1994. Together they form > >the scholarly basis for the challenge to Henry Melville, > > Thank you for mentioning the two URLs for the articles. I already have > the Reed one and tried to download the Jacobus article but it didn't > work. I don't know if others had any problem. I suspect a lot of people > are away for Christmas at the moment. I stripped the URL down to > http://www.erols.com but could not find it from there. Would it be possible > for you to copy and paste them either for me or the the list?

Hi Edward and All, First, a very merry Christmas! Second, I took the roundabout way of going to Robert's Home Page. He left one step out of his URL. It should be: http://www.erols.com/rlwards/ and then the rest. He left out his home page and it can be found there. The web leaves us almost as much of a hunt as genealogy! Happy Hunting Marion Whitney Leska

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From: Marion Leska <[email protected]> Subject: Hiram Whitney, Ulster Cty,NY Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 15:15:27 -0500

Hi All, Hope this helps someone. At least it will add to the genealogy of the decendants of Eli (Cotton Gin) Whitney! "TAKEN FROM: COMMEMORATIVE BIOGRAPHICAL RECORD- ULSTER COUNTY, NEW YORK- CONTAINING BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCHES OF PROMINENT AND REPRESENTATIVE CITIZENS AND OF MANY OF THE EARLY SETTLED FAMILIES. Chicago-J.H. Beers & Co. 1896

Hiram Whitney: No better illustration of the success which follows persistant and well-devewloped efforts, combined with sound judgement and integrity of character, can be found in the career of the above named gentleman, who ranks among the prominent and representative businessmen of Ulster County.

  Mr. Whitney was born May 6, 1828, in Shandaken township, Ulster

county, and is the son of Eli and Catherine (Longyear) Whitney, the former of whom was born in 1787, and was a brave soldier in the war of 1812,serving as a substitute for his uncle, John Higgins. He died in 1870. Mrs. Whitney was born in Shandaken in 1799,and departed this life in 1883. Their children were as follows: Jacob, Eliza, John (deceased), Phoebe, Hiram, Jane,Giles, Sarah Ann, and William H. Mr. Whitney’s Great Grandfather was Eli Whitney, the inventor of the “cotton gin”and his grandfather John Whitney, constructed the first fanning-mill ever made in New York, which is now in the possession of Joseph Risely, of Allaben.

    Mr. Whitney’s school days were spent in Shandaken, and early in

life he began working with his father on the farm, remaining there until he reached his majority, when he started out for himself in the lumber business , in which he was engaged for ten years. He was married in October 1848 to Miss Anna Fredenburgh, and at once began the business of producing tan bark, in which he continued until 1868. In 1857 he purchased 2000 acres of land erected a sawmill and manufactured lumber. In 1864 he opened a general store in Shandaken, and in 1869 erected a large chair factory at that place, which was burned in 1872, but was at once rebuilt, and 125 men are now given employment there. In 1884 Mr. Whitney built the mammoth store at Shandaken, second in size to none in Ulster county. In 1886 he purchased the “Palace Hotel.” It will thus be seen that Mr. Whitney is carrying on an extensive business in more than one line. Beginning life without a cent of capital, he has accumulated a handsome property by his persistent industry, thrifty management and steady perserverance, and he is today one of the most successful and influential businessmen of the township, where he has hosts of friends who appreciate his many excellent qualities.

    Politically he is a Republican, and in religious connection he is a

member of the Methodist church.

    To Mr. and Mrs. Whitney have been born six children, viz., Jerry S.

December 27, 1849; Josephine,September 27, 1851;Marion, September 23, 1855; Catherine, August 12, 1853 (died September 16, 1856);E.S.,January 18, 1858; Addie, September 1, 1859. E.S. Whitney now has charge of his father’s business. He married Jennie V.K. Beekman, a daughter of Thomas Beekman, of Kingston, New York. Mrs. Hiram Whitney was born March 27, 1829, only child of Isaac H. and Elizabeth (Rose) Fredenburgh, who were pioneers of Ulster County."

These accounts were done at the time of the life of their principals so there is some probility of verification. Happy hunting! Marion Whitney Leska

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 19:09:52 -0500 (EST) To: Edward Sinker <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Articles On Line

At 08:36 PM 12/25/96 +0000, you wrote: Hi Ed,

You wrote: >Thank you for mentioning the two URLs for the articles. I already have >the Reed one and tried to download the Jacobus article but it didn't >work. I don't know if others had any problem. I suspect a lot of people >are away for Christmas at the moment. I stripped the URL down to >http://www.erols.com but could not find it from there. Would it be possible >for you to copy and paste them either for me or the the list?

I see no reason why you should not be able to access them now. Erols, my ISP, was having some problems a yesterday, but seems to be O.K. now. If you continue to have problems, I'll e-mail the article to you. I put it up on my home page just so I wouldn't have to e-mail it to everyone on the list!

>I find the Reed article assumes that you already know something about >the claim being made by John Whitney and so does not bother to expand >on some of his comments. Perhaps the Jacobus article helps to fill in the >gaps.

I think you may be satisfied with the combination of the two.

>I find the comment by Reed that the Harleian mss "had been drawn up on >behalf of John Whitney, apparently a cousin of the New England immigrant" >rather unhelpful since he is claiming the descent but we don't even know if >he is related to John and Elinor.

He was a nephew, son of (Watertown) John's brother Robert Whitney.

> Reed never saw, from what I can gather, >the manuscripts in the British Museum. He refers to the Llyfr Baglan which >was compiled between 1600-1607 which is 70 years before the claim was >made.

I can't tell, but you are probably right.

>He makes odd comments such as "Robert was definitely third and not >second son" but the mss clearly shows this to be the case so why is >he even mentioning it and if the John to whom he is referring made the >claim that Robert was the second son then he was so clearly wrong that >his claim just could not have ever been taken seriously.

I think he is stating his case, and then proving it.

>Finally, Reed makes spends a considerable amount of time writing about >the Towers marriage and that the father of Mary came from either >Cheshire or Shropshire. The copy of the mss that I saw at Gloucestershire >Public Record Office only mentions Shropshire. Shropshire is adjacent to >Herefordshire so there is nothing odd in Robert marrying a girl from the >county nexdoor. His Cheshire comment as far as I can see have nothing >to do with the claim nor is there any documented connection between >the Towers and the Whineys of Coole Pilate. Reed just wove in the one >with the other and then goes on to use the "Whitney Family of Connecticut" >to support his case of fraud.

You are right that any connection with the Whitneys of Coole Pilate is missing. There is the connection of Mary Tower with Tarvin in Cheshire, and the presumption that Robert must have met her in Cheshire, not in London. This leads to a guess that Robert may have been from Cheshire himself.

>I do feel that Reed is suggesting that not only was this John Whitney >attempting to perpetrate a fraud but he is also suggesting that Melville >was also by saying that Melville, "supplemented his genealogy with >many transcriptions of wills........., making his work appear to be highly >trustworthy." What I ask you was Melville supposed to do, NOT supplement >his genealogy with transcriptions, etc?

No, I think his point is that quoting original documents does not make the logic used by Melville correct. Interpreting such items requires care and comparison with other documents, logic, attention to chronology, and so on.

>Having said all that, I do find the claim, as I understand it unconvincing. The >dates do suggest that descent from Robert, the fifth child of Sir Robert >Whitney born about 1520 to be virtually impossible. Which makes me ask >if the claim was correctly understood and why if the claim was so >manifestly false that the manuscript was saved and stored in the British >Museum.

It was a petition by John Whitney to be declared heir male of the Whitney family of Whitney. Even if the claim was denied, the petition should be filed and kept.

>I would like to see what the arguments put forward by John Whitney >were. I would like to see what the College of Arms had to say about it. >I assume that the case was so weak that it never went to court. I >would like to know who this John was.

I would like to see the same. That John was son of (Watertown) John's brother Robert, son of Thomas of Westminster.

>I think the case is still unproven either way. I look forward to seeing >the Jacobus article.

Ah, but... Such connections must be proven. The proof must be seen to accept such connections. No disproof is required. If it isn't proved, we cannot accept it except as a theory, or as a clue.

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,

Robert Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif">

http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Wrong URLs -- Ooops! Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 20:12:14 -0500 (EST)

Sorry about the wrong URLs. Correct are:

http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/jacobus.html http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/reed.html

Regards,

Robert Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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From: Stan & Mary Ann Lindsay <[email protected]> Subject: [Fwd: Re: Henry Whitney] Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 22:26:53 -0800

[email protected] wrote: > > Hi Joan, > This is my second message. Since I re-read my files, I found there is a > disagreement among authors that I would like to point out to you. The > book by Phoenix shows your Samuel as son of John and Elizabeth descended > from Henry. I hate to tell you about the contraversy. > There has been a lot of talk back and forth online about this and it > seems that the book by Pierce corrected Phoenix and shows Samuel and > wife Ann Laboree as descendants of John and Elinor!! not Henry!! > > Sorry to create a hitch in the research, but if you contact JON ASTON > ([email protected]) and ALLAN GREEN ([email protected]) and also JOAN Hicks > ([email protected])they may be able to explain it better. Still good to > hear from you and maybe--- who knows who is correct? Till I hear from > you, COUSINS FOREVER! > MAL Was there ever any feedback on this message? I never heard from Joan. Hope you are still out there, I see your address on the list but no reply to my message. Would someone please let me know if Joan Hantel received this message? And was there an explaination for her. Thanks, MAL

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From: Edward Sinker <[email protected]> Subject: Jacobus and Reed articles Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 09:02:17 +0000

Hi

Thank you Robert for putting the articles on your web page. The fact that you took the trouble to do it is really appreciated and I am sure many people have had no trouble downloading it but here in England the cost of being online tends to dis- couage people from spending time on the web. I get very frustrated by everyone who says come look at my web page. I just could not affor to do it. I have a 28800 modem but it is the charges by British Telecom which is holding the web back here in England.

So, having said that, could someone please, please, please just paste the Jacobus article to me as I have already spent enough money online trying to download it to have bought the original publication.

Thanks.

P.S. Robert thanks for your comments to what I said about Reed but I think he could have chosen his words better to describe the motivation behind what Melville did and why bother trying to suggest that this John Whitney was trying to perpetrate a fraud. I can see saying someone was incorrect in what they said but why attack them as to their motives?

Edward Coates Sinker   -  email:  [email protected]
Church Lea
Bosbury
Herefordshire  HR8 1PX

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 08:56:40 -0500 (EST) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Henry Whitney]

At 10:26 PM 12/26/96 -0800, you wrote: >[email protected] wrote: >> >> Hi Joan, >> This is my second message. Since I re-read my files, I found there is a >> disagreement among authors that I would like to point out to you. The >> book by Phoenix shows your Samuel as son of John and Elizabeth descended >> from Henry. I hate to tell you about the contraversy. >> There has been a lot of talk back and forth online about this and it >> seems that the book by Pierce corrected Phoenix and shows Samuel and >> wife Ann Laboree as descendants of John and Elinor!! not Henry!! >> >> Sorry to create a hitch in the research, but if you contact JON ASTON >> ([email protected]) and ALLAN GREEN ([email protected]) and also JOAN Hicks >> ([email protected])they may be able to explain it better. Still good to >> hear from you and maybe--- who knows who is correct? Till I hear from >> you, COUSINS FOREVER! >> MAL >Was there ever any feedback on this message? I never heard from Joan. >Hope you are still out there, I see your address on the list but no >reply to my message. Would someone please let me know if Joan Hantel >received this message? And was there an explaination for her. Thanks, >MAL

I answered Joan, giving her the documentary proof that the Samuel WHINTEY who married Anne Laborie and lived in Stratford, CT, was son of Nathaniel-3 and Sarah (HAGAR) WHITNEY (John-2, John-1) of Watertown and Weston, not of John and Elizabeth (SMITH) WHITNEY of Norwalk, descendant of Henry-1.

Regards,

Robert Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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Subject* Benjamin WHITNEY

Father* John WHITNEY (chr. 20 Jul 1592, d. 01 Jun 1673) Mother* Elinor (--?--) (b. between 1597 and 1599, d. 11 May 1659)

Note* __ ___ ____ (Family File 1, Everton Publishers, found in the Allen Co. Public Library shows his wife's name as Mary Poor. Also of York, Dover (1667/8), Shirborne (1670). Primary Source, beyond AF & FF: James Savage, A Gen. Dict. of the Fst. Sett. of NE, orig. pub. 1860-62. Notes show another child, Benjamin, b. 22 or 27 May, 1709, in Sherborn, child of the second wife. However, if she was indeed a sister of Jane Poor, the first wife, she was probably nearly 60 years old at that time, and Benjamin would have been 66. (Notes from Jeanne Muse: I show marriage date of 1695 to Mary Poor. Thus Benjamin would have been only 52 when married & 62 when child born in 1709. If Mary was young, this could have easily happened.)).

Note: __ ___ ____ (BIR-DEA: Research by Alyson Cobb of Green Cove Springs, Florida; migrated to Maine).

Birth* 06 Jun 1643 Watertown, Middlesex, MA (Benjamin, the son of John & Elinor Whitney borne 6 (4) 1643).

Residence: bet 1667-1668 Cocheco, NH (appears on a list taken from Dover Town Records).

Residence* b __ ___ 1668 York, York, ME (as appears by the Registry of Deeds, Vol. III, p. 451-2).

Marriage* c __ ___ 1668 Jane (--?--); York, York, ME.

Daughter: 29 Sep 1668 Jane WHITNEY; Watertown, Middlesex, MA.

Sale* 05 Apr 1670 John WHITNEY; Watertown, Middlesex, MA (the former's house, barn, and all his land about the home (about 17 acres, bounded N. by John Sherman; E. and S. by William Bond; and W. by Martin Underwood)).

Sale* 09 Mar 1671 Dea. Joshua WHITNEY; Watertown, Middlesex, MA (with the consent of his father, for L40, all right to his father's homestead obtained 5 Apr 1670).

Son: c __ ___ 1672 Timothy WHITNEY

Misc* 03 Apr 1673 Watertown, Middlesex, MA (mentioned in his father's will).

Witness: 03 Apr 1673 Will: John WHITNEY; Watertown, Middlesex, MA (John Whitny Senior of Watertown; son John Whitny; son Richard Whitny; son Thomas Whitny; son Jonathan Whitny; son Joshuah Whitny; son Beniamen Whitny; sons John Whitny and Joshuah Whitny, executors; friend William Bond Senior, overseer; witnesses, William Bond senior, Sarah Bond senior; signed by mark).

Daughter: c __ ___ 1675 Elinor WHITNEY

Son: c __ ___ 1678 John WHITNEY; York, York, ME.

Son: 14 Apr 1680 Nathaniel WHITNEY; York, York, ME.

Son: __ ___ 1681 Jonathan WHITNEY

Son-Can: c __ ___ 1683 Josiah WHITNEY

Son: c __ ___ 1685 Benjamin WHITNEY

Son: 21 Sep 1687 Joshua WHITNEY; Sherborn, Middlesex, MA.

Marriage: 11 Apr 1695 Mary POOR; Marlborough, Middlesex, MA.

Marriage* 13 Apr 1696 Mary POOR; Marlborough, Middlesex, MA (husband "of Framingham", wife "of Marlborough").

Son: c __ ___ 1700 Mark WHITNEY; Framingham, Middlesex, MA.

Son: c __ ___ 1702 Isaac WHITNEY

Dau-Can: c __ ___ 1704 Huldah WHITNEY

Son-Can: 22 May 1709 Benjamin WHITNEY; Sherborn, Middlesex, MA.

Witness: 04 Feb 1714 Will: Benjamin WHITNEY; Sherborn, Middlesex, MA (will of Benjamin Whitne of Sherburn, husbandman; wife Mercy Witne; cousin James Whittne, son of my brother John Whittne and Mary his wife; uncle Benjamin Whittne; brother Joseph Whittne; brother Jonath Whittne; brother Josiah Whittne; brother Joseph Whittne; brother-in-law Major Adams; brother-in-law Cornelius Fisher; Marcy and Elizabeth Whitne, daughters of John Whittne my brother; Benjamin Fisher, son of Cornelius Fisher; Silvanus Whittne, son of Joseph Whittne; widow executrix; witnesses Benoni Lerned, Robert Danel, and Daniel Rider).

Death: 26 Mar 1723 Sherborn, Middlesex, MA.

Death* 26 Mar 1723 ME.

Reference : 8PGB-CF (Dec'd @ 79 yrs) Children : 13

Printed on: 16 Dec 1996 Prepared by: Robert L. Ward 12236 Shadetree Lane Laurel, MD 20708-2832

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From: "Loren J. McCullough" <[email protected]> To: "WHITNEY family genealogy list" <[email protected]>

Subject: Parents of Sarah Hapgood Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 20:50:08 -0500 Sender: [email protected]

Several months ago there was a side-bar discussion regarding the parents of Sarah Hapgood b. 1672 (wife of Jonathan Whitney). I don't remember who was involved in the discussion and I have lost the e-mail messages, so I am posting my recent findings to the entire group.

There was some question as to whether Sarah's mother (wife of Shadrack Hapgood) was Elizabeth Jones (daughter of Lydia Treadway and Josiah Jones) or Elizabeth Treadway (sister of Lydia Treadway). The NEHGS Register Vol. 6, July 1852 has a very confusing entry in an article on the Ancestry of the Jones family. This entry may have originated the original confusion from other publications. If this entry is read quickly, it appears that Sarah is the daughter of Lydia and Josiah, however, they are really talking about the children of Nathaniel Treadway and Sufferanna Howe. Sarah and Lydia are sisters not daughter and mother.

I hope this clears up the confusion.

Loren McCullough

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From: Ronald Whitney <[email protected]> To: "WHITNEY family genealogy list" <[email protected]> Subject: Brrrrrrr! Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 01:54:35 +0000 Sender: [email protected]

Seasons Greetings to all the Whits, Miscwhits, and Halfwhits. I'm happy to see that none of you are dimwhits.

Christmas got to 27 below 0 (that's Fahrenheit, not Celsius). We have a record breaking amount of snow already this season, so like any red-blooded Whitney, I am going to load up the covered wagon and head west. Unlike the Donner party, we will head south until we hit green grass and then turn west. Thus, we will be off-the-net so to speak. If anyone really needs to get a message to us you can send an e-mail to [email protected] and we will get it eventually. We plan to canoe the Colorado for a week with Roxie's 81 year old mother.(Sure hope we can keep up with her!)

Being associated with the Whitney Group has been one of the most rewarding things I have done this year, even if it hasn't directly added to my family tree quest. For that I thank Mary Ann Lindsay. Without her I wouldn't have known the group exists. John, I hope you will continue to check out the information we discussed about Edmund Whitney. And Allan, my mouth still waters at the thought of the wine you described. Someday, I would like to find out why you were awarded an honorary doctorate. Must be the Whitney genes.

As an impartial observer, I would like to add a food-for-thought comment to the ancestry of John. A very smart man (also a Whitney) once told me that whenever someone attacks the work of another we should question his or her motivation. As I read Jacobus I see someone trying to do a scholarly evaluation of the evidence. He appears to leave the doorway open that Mellville may very well be correct. Reed, however, seems to be on the attack without trying to add anything meaningful to the documentation. In fact I find his generalized assumption that the John Whitney filing the fraudulent claim (in his opinion) is related to "our" John sort of offensive because he brands him as a fraud by association. Noting that Reed offers very little documentation, at least in the edited version I have read, makes me question why we would put much credibility in it. Who is Reed? What are his credentials? And, of course, what is his motivation? Sure, Mellville may have some bad information, but is it not the most complete, scholarly, documented treatise we have on the subject? I noticed the other day that my own mother's death cert has the wrong father listed. Who was the informant? Me. Point is that sometimes the documentation can't even be trusted because of the impact of emotions, etc. Maybe Mellville is right and the records are mistaken. Only way you will ever know for sure is for someone to look at whatever records remain. I appreciate that we don't want to be like the people who took Aristotles word for the number of teeth in a horses mouth without ever checking an actual horse to see if he was correct. But, let's not assume that someone raising a question automatically means Mellville is wrong.

Now I need to UNSUB quickly and get out of town before someone flames me.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ron and Roxie Whitney E-mail: [email protected]

Homepage: http://www.Geocities.com/NapaValley/2212/

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From: [email protected] To: "WHITNEY family genealogy list" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Articles On Line Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 22:24:06 -0500 Sender: [email protected]

Dear Ed:

I just got back from being out of town for a few days, and wanted to send you a quick note about one point in your long posting. The John Whitney in question in the Reed article is the son of "our John's" younger brother and former apprentice, Robert Whitney of St. Peter's Cornhill, London, the youngest son of Thomas Whitney and Mary Bray.. His claim can, I think, be shown to have been opportunistic, as it doesn't seem to be supportable, and if there was a valid claim, our John would have had precedence as the older surviving son of Thomas.

I'll read your posting much more carefully, and with the Reed article at hand. If I have other thoughts I'll get back to you later with them, but right now I have well over 100 messages to handle before I can take the time that your questions deserve.

Happy New Year.

P.S. Try it with rlward1 (the numeral one) - that gets me to his page with all the VR's on it.

Allan

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From: "Steven Whitney" <[email protected]> To: "WHITNEY family genealogy list" <[email protected]> Subject: Sharing Web Pages Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 16:32:42 -0500 Sender: [email protected]

Just thought some of you would like some friendly advise on sharing the URL of web pages that you find. When you find a site that you would like to share with the group, use your mouse to highlight the URL then while it is hightlighted use the CNTL C keys at the same time. This will copy the URL to the windows clipboard. Then when you open your mail program and get the the location where you would like to type the URL simply use the CNTL V keys and the URL will be copied from windows clipboard to the email message. This will prevent the accidental mistyping that occurs so often when trying to retype a URL or and email address.

Steven Whitney Naples FL. ( [email protected] ) or ( [email protected] ) Home Page http://naples.net/~nfn00805

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From: "Lynda J. McLaughlin" <[email protected]> To: "WHITNEY family genealogy list" <[email protected]> Subject: THE WHITNEY FAMILY Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 18:59:11 -0500 Sender: [email protected]

Happy New Year everyone,

I thought I'd share this poem I found in a book

       ANDREW WHITNEY, Ashby, Springfield and Fitchburg, Massachusetts. 1912

                       THE WHITNEY FAMILY

>From a little English hamlet

       From Whitney on-the-Wye,

Where the hawthorns bud and blossom

       Underneath an English sky,

Came a stalwart, sturdy Whitney

       Four long centuries ago,

Like the hawthorn, spread and blossomed

       In the sunshine and the snow.

All about him grew the forests,

       Trees of maple and of oak,

And pine trees bent to listen

       To the words the river spoke:

While the war-whoop of the red man

       Rent the silence far and near,

In the midst of Massachusetts.

Grew a family up around him,

       As the years drifted by,

While about his old log cabin

       Fell God's blessing from the sky;

And the family name took root there,

       Spread its branches far and wide,

Till they reached from York to 'Frisco,

       Sunset gate to evening tide.

Some there were that for the Union

       Wore the tattered army blue.

Some the gray, and then forgot it

       When the old became the new;

One the cotton gin invented,

       'Twas his own peculiar plan;

And where'er you find a Whitney,

       You will find an honest man.

I've heard the phrase all my life...Where'er you find a Whitney, you'll find an honest man.

Happy Hunting Everyone.

Lynda McLaughlin [email protected]

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From: Stan & Mary Ann Lindsay <[email protected]>

To: "WHITNEY family genealogy list" <[email protected]> Subject: Our Henry! Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 12:20:19 -0800 Sender: [email protected]

Hi all, Dave Barrett and I have been having a discussion on what to do about the files for OUR Henry! Who can help us get Henry 1620 on the net? and who would like to add it to their database on their page? I have 2 disks ready to send Dave who is a programer, by the way, but he uses Brother's Keeper program and mine is Family Tree for Windows 3.0. One disk is the original file Joan Hicks sent me and the other is the same base with my line added to it + Sarah Salmon Ketcham Whitney's family (Henry's 2nd wife). Jeanne was unable to convert what I sent her so we are hoping Dave will be able to. Randy Winch seemed to be interested in receiving the data in any form. I also received a message from one of you a while back telling me how to convert and I cannot find the file. Please be the sweet people that you are and help Dave and Joan and Me get our Henry added to the Whitney database---somewhere! someday! somehow! Thanks for any help we can get. My homepage will link to whoever puts Henry on the database! I also have added other links to my page so get back and check it out. I will add the Whitney links soon as I can round them up. My son is helping me with the page now, so I don't have to write to my brother in Seattle everytime I need help, I would like to spend more time learning about computers. Now that I am in touch with my "for real" cousin Dave, maybe he will help me. You are all considered my cousins of course, but Dave and Joan Hicks are the only proven ones. Love ya all. MAL

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From: Bert Smith <[email protected]> To: "WHITNEY family genealogy list" <[email protected]> Subject: Lois(6) Whitney Date: 29 Dec 96 19:44:20 EST Sender: [email protected]

Jon and Allan,

I thought that I had sent you a ged-com of the descendants of Lois(6) Whitney (Nathaniel 5,4,3; John 2-1), but I don't see any evidence of it in Whitney11.

Is it because (a) you're only putting the Whitney name in the data-base, or (b) because you haven't gotten the Lois descendants yet? If (b), do you want a ged-com? If yes, what's the best way to send it? A disk via snail-mail is usually the safest method, if you'll give me a snail mail address.

For those that are interested: Lois (sister of Eli, Sr.) married Abiel Chamberlin and their son Ephraim married Dorcas Carter who was a descendant of several of the prominent early North Shore Families including Eastman, Barnard, Peaslee, Hall, Kimball, Marsh, Abbott, Chandler.

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From: Edward Sinker <[email protected]> To: "WHITNEY family genealogy list" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Jacobus and Reed articles Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 13:36:40 +0000 Sender: [email protected]

First of all let me thank:

       Jon Aston
       Robert Ward
       Ronald Whitney
       Richard Mathews
       Karen Nugier

For all sending me copies of the Jacobus and Reed articles. I am very sorry that I had to put you to so much trouble and I truly appreciate your responses.

I was away for a couple of days and only just printed the Jacobus article last night. I already had a copy of the Reed article. I don't feel that Reed contributes anything useful except for reminding people of the Jacobus piece. Jacobus I find has presented his argument calmly and rationally and it is difficult to disagree with what he wrote.

I must say that I am a bit confused to say the least. I have been to the Hereford Public Library where I copied the H.J.T. Wood Papers, the original of which is at the Society of Genealogists, London entitled "Herefordshire Pedigrees", "Whitney of Whitney" and to the Gloucestershire record office last week.

The Wood papers show the descent as: Robert Whitney = daughter of Thomas ap Roger James = Blanche daughter of Simon Milbourne Robert = Margaret daughter of Robert Wye Robert = 1st daughter of Sir James Baskerville 2nd Mary Day Eustace = Margaret daughter of William Vaughan Robert = Anne daughter of Sir Thomas Lucy (end of male line)

The Harl: 1041 fo 45 Visitation of Gloucestershire (as transcribed in the Gloucestershire record office has:

James = 1st Blanche daughther of Simon Melborne Robert = Sibeil daughter to Sir James Baskerville Robert = Elizabeth daughter to Morgan ap Gwillims

           children:
               William
               Thomas
               Richard
               Nicholas
               Margaret
               Anne

(this ends here does not make any connection with our John Whitney . I don't understand this pedigree, it is the same as the one mentioned by Jacobus.)

The next pedigree is the one we are more familiar with but is slightly confused and has no Harleian mss mentioned:

Baldwin Whitney = filia Pychard Eustachius = filia Clanvow??? Robert = filia Russell Eustachius = filia Parrey Robert = filia Thos. Rogers 1st

                 Constancia 2nd

Jacobius = Blanch fil. Simonis Mulborne

       children:
         1. Watkinius Whitney = Margareta filia Jenkin Reece of Clyton

co.Radnor

         2. Robert Whitney = Margaret filia Robbi Wye in co. Gloc.

child of 1. Watkinius Whitney

          Jenkyn Whitney (Harl. mss 1442 f.101) = Katharine d. Robert Clough

           of co. Salop

children of 2. Robert Whitney

          Sir Robert Whitney = Sibile fil of Sir Jas. Baskerville, kt.
          Jacob Whitney ob. s.p.
          Elizabeth Whitney
          Elosius Whitney
          George Whitney

children of Sir Robert Whitney

          Sir James Whitney ob. s.p.
          Eustace = Margaret Vaughan
          Blanche
          Elizabeth
          Robert   3 sonne
                       child Thomas Whitney of Westminster
                               child Robert Whitney of Minster m. Mary of

John Towners of

           Shropshire
                                       child John Whitney claims to be

heire male of the whole

                                                               family harl

1442/67/

Who is Watkinius Whitney????? According to this pedigree he is the male heir. I assume he died without issue. Also bear in mind that Robert Whitney of Whitney & Icombe who died in Icombe, Gloucester 11 May 1541 who was married to Margaret daughter of Robert Wye had besides Robert the son and heir:

       Thomas - of the Hay in the archdeaconry of Brecon
       John - under 24 in 1541 had a lease & farm of Rollrighte
                       co. Oxon in his father's Will. Bedfellow of Roger
                       Ascham.
       George - under 24 in 1541 had a lease & farm of Malgasbury(sic) in
                       his father's Will was of Icombe.
       William - under 24 in 1541 had a lease & farm called the Chauntery
                       Landes in Great Rysinton (prob. Great Rissington, Oxon)
       James
       Richard
       Blanche
       Mary

I mention the above children, because it shows that although it is almost impossible for our John, who married Elinor, to be the descendant of the Robert who was the husband of Sibile, if the Harleian pedigrees are understood correctly but there is plenty of scope for him to be descended from these other children. What needs to be done is for the original Harleian mss to be studied once again to see if any more sense can be made of them and the descendants of the other Whitney children should be traced to see where that leads.

It took me several hours going over the information that I have to try and make it understandable to others. I don't know if I have managed to do that. All I can say in conclusion, is the obvious, that a lot more work needs to be done.

Edward Coates Sinker   -  email:  [email protected]
Church Lea
Bosbury
Herefordshire  HR8 1PX

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From: Edward Sinker <[email protected]> To: "WHITNEY family genealogy list" <[email protected]>

Subject: 19th C. Death Notices Fredonia Censor, NY Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 17:41:19 +0000 Sender: [email protected]

Hi

I don't think I have sent this before. I was going through some of my papers and thought that someone might be interested in the Whitney obits contained in the newspaper Fredonia Censor which was published in Chautauqua County, NY.

WHITNEY, Aron, 23 Sep 1877 In Mina, ae 79...lived 61 yrs in that town FC17OCT1877 WHITNEY, Andrew 21 Sep 1878 In Fredonia, of consumption, ae 36 yrFC02OCT1878 WHITNEY, Appleton 16JAN1851 In Sinclearville, ae 42 yr, formerley

                       of Pittsfield MA & for last sev yrs a res of

Charlotte FC21JAN1857 WHITNEY, Asa Capt. 18 MAY 1860 In Silver Creek, ae 76 yr... moved

                       to SC from Oswego Falls in 1835 and for more than
                       20 yr kept hotel in that village

FC30MAY1860 WHITNEY, Ballard 02 Sep 1837 At VanBuren Harbor, son of John

                       Whitney, ae 15 yr

FC06SEP1837 WHITNEY, Ben H. 12 Jan 1898 A farmer, living a mi east of Findley's

                       Lake, took his own life by cuttig throat with a razor...
                       mind has been affected past 3 or 4 yrs. Ae 88 yr, leaves
                       wife & adopted son.  Member of AOUW

FC19JAN1898 WHITNEY, E.P. 06 Sep 1883 A prominent citz of Westfield, from

                       overdose of morphine

FC12SEP1883 WHITNEY, George 25 Jun 1879 In Fredonia, ae 40 yr FC02JUL1879 WHITNEY, George 16 Feb 1896 In Fredonia, ae 89 yr 8m 4d...res

                       here over 40 yrs

FC04MAR1896 WHITNEY, Howell 03 Mar 1862 At Liberty KS, son of Jas & Lydia

                       Whitney, formerly of Fredonia, ae 2yr 2mo 14d

FC16APR1862 WHITNEY, John 21 Feb 1824 In this town, an old revolutionary

                       soldier, ae 74 yr

FC11FEB1824 WHITNEY, John 17 Jun 1862 ...Owned & occupied a farm on Berry

                       Rd. abt 2 mi west of village many yrs, committed
                       suicide...was boarding at house of John Bills in south
                       part of town...hung himself in the barn...born

Fitzwilliam,

                       N.H. 10 Dec 1789, thus in 79th yr.  Came here abt 37 yr
                       ago and first settled at VanBuren

FC20JUN1862 WHITNEY, Martha D. 03 Jan 1889 In Fredonia, ae 70, native of MA FC09JAN1889 WHITNEY, Nelson 23 Sep 1881 In Fredonia, of paralysis, ae 44...

                       soldier CW from 1863 to end

FC12OCT1881 WHITNEY, O. 03 Mar 1847 In Mayville, inflm of lungs, O. Whitney

                       wife of Henry Whitney, ae 55

FC16MAR1847 WHITNEY, Rachel 07 Jul 1870 In Sherman, dau of Streeter Whitney

                       ae 22 yr 6m 9d

FC20JUL1870 WHITNEY, Richard II, 04 May 1845 At Magnolia, ae 28 FC20MAY1845 WHITNEY, Samuel B. 05 Jun 1882 At his home in Fredonia, in 68th

                       yr....suffered only from cancer of stomach...originially
                       from CT, here since 1853, widow & 4 ch...

FC14JUN1882 WHITNEY, Sylvia B. 17 Sep 1872 FC25SEP1872 WHITNEY, Varina 23 Oct 1875 At Mayville, of typhoid fever, only

                       dau of Capt. W. H. Whitney, ae 12 yr

WHITNEY, William J. 26 Sep 1896 Was a Normal School grad of 1887

                       ...fine postion at Drury College, Springfield, MO.

While

                       vis????....with typhoid fever, long suffering...Studied
                       at U of WI & grad of Harvard 1894.

WHITNEY, Willis 19 Apr 1856 In Carroll, son of John Whitney, ae 18 yr.

(the last few had bits missing from my photocopy)

Edward Coates Sinker   -  email:  [email protected]
Church Lea
Bosbury
Herefordshire  HR8 1PX

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From: [email protected] To: "WHITNEY family genealogy list" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: 19th C. Death Notices Fredonia Censor, NY Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 18:57:21 -0500 Sender: [email protected]

Edward:

This is marvellous. Thank you very much for this contribution. Every piece of contemporary evidence we can get is extremely valuable. This opens up a whole new set of possibilities for contributions. Unfortunately, it is those few who are living in the areas where these old newspapers were published who will have to hunt up the microfilms (or microfiche) to run this kind of search.

More VR's coming, folks. Am working on Assorted#3, which so far includes Acton, Cambridge, Conway, Dudley and Dunstable, with Gardner up next (lots of names, will take a while). Some of the above are incomplete, awaiting identification of symbols for Church Records, etc, and one or two other little things. Nonetheless, with luck they will all be finished and available the end of this week.

Happy Hunting to all.

Allan

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From: [email protected] (Joan W. Hantel) To: <img src="/robertward.gif"> Cc: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: Henry Whitney] Date: 31 Dec 1996 01:30:03 GMT

on 12/29/96, Robert L. Ward wrote: Re: [Fwd: Re: Henry Whitney]
From:  Robert L. Ward,<img src="/robertward.gif">,Internet
Hi Joan, This is my second message.  Since I re-read my files, I found there

is a disagreement among authors that I would like to point out to you. The book by Phoenix shows your Samuel as son of John and Elizabeth descended from Henry. I hate to tell you about the contraversy. shows Samuel and wife Ann Laboree as descendants of John and Elinor!! not Henry!!

 Sorry to create a hitch in the research, but if you contact JON ASTON
([email protected]) and ALLAN GREEN ([email protected]) and also JOAN Hicks
([email protected])they may be able to explain it better. Still good to

Was there ever any feedback on this message? I never heard from Joan.Hope you are still out there, I see your address on the list but no reply to my message. Would someone please let me know if Joan Hantel received this message? And was there an explaination for her. Thanks, MAL And, Robert wrote: I answered Joan, giving her the documentary proof that the Samuel WHINTEYwho married Anne Laborie and lived in Stratford, CT, was son of Nathaniel-3

and Sarah (HAGAR) WHITNEY (John-2, John-1) of Watertown and Weston, not of
John and Elizabeth (SMITH) WHITNEY of Norwalk, descendant of Henry-1.
 Robert L. Ward
<img src="/robertward.gif">
http://www.erols.com/rlward1/
12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832
301-776-1659
Hi, MAL.  Yes, Joan Hantel received this message and so far I am out here

and alive, or so to speak. Anyway, I did contact Robert and he sent me a whole ream of information about my Samuel and Ann Laboree--seems he also had a Laboree in his line, later, and I have promised to send him some more Laboree information after the holidays! But, anyway, thanks for all of your help and I am ashamed to think I didn't answer you! Happy New Year! joan

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From: [email protected] (Joan W. Hantel) To: "WHITNEY family genealogy list" <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: Henry Whitney] Date: 31 Dec 1996 01:30:03 GMT Sender: [email protected]

on 12/29/96, Robert L. Ward wrote: Re: [Fwd: Re: Henry Whitney]
From:  Robert L. Ward,<img src="/robertward.gif">,Internet
Hi Joan, This is my second message.  Since I re-read my files, I found there

is a disagreement among authors that I would like to point out to you. The book by Phoenix shows your Samuel as son of John and Elizabeth descended from Henry. I hate to tell you about the contraversy. shows Samuel and wife Ann Laboree as descendants of John and Elinor!! not Henry!!

 Sorry to create a hitch in the research, but if you contact JON ASTON
([email protected]) and ALLAN GREEN ([email protected]) and also JOAN Hicks
([email protected])they may be able to explain it better. Still good to

Was there ever any feedback on this message? I never heard from Joan.Hope you are still out there, I see your address on the list but no reply to my message. Would someone please let me know if Joan Hantel received this message? And was there an explaination for her. Thanks, MAL And, Robert wrote: I answered Joan, giving her the documentary proof that the Samuel WHINTEYwho married Anne Laborie and lived in Stratford, CT, was son of Nathaniel-3

and Sarah (HAGAR) WHITNEY (John-2, John-1) of Watertown and Weston, not of
John and Elizabeth (SMITH) WHITNEY of Norwalk, descendant of Henry-1.
 Robert L. Ward
<img src="/robertward.gif">
http://www.erols.com/rlward1/
12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832
301-776-1659
Hi, MAL.  Yes, Joan Hantel received this message and so far I am out here

and alive, or so to speak. Anyway, I did contact Robert and he sent me a whole ream of information about my Samuel and Ann Laboree--seems he also had a Laboree in his line, later, and I have promised to send him some more Laboree information after the holidays! But, anyway, thanks for all of your help and I am ashamed to think I didn't answer you! Happy New Year! joan

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From: Stan & Mary Ann Lindsay <[email protected]> To: "WHITNEY family genealogy list" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Henry Whitney] Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 20:47:29 -0800 Sender: [email protected]

Thanks Joan for writing, glad we got Samuel and Ann all straightened out. It is great to have so many helpful people like Robert in this group, huh? Yes, the rest of you are all wonderful also. And may you all have lots of health, and happiness in the New Year. Do not party too hard. MAL

From: "Jennifer L. Oeland" <[email protected]> To: "WHITNEY family genealogy list" <[email protected]> Subject: Sarah Tracy (WHITNEY) SANFORD Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:00:41 -0800 Sender: [email protected]

As I am not subscribed to the Whitney mailing list, if anyone is interested in having a copy of the below material please respond to me directly at the e-mail address below.

I have recently obtained a copy of the original(my sister in law has the original news clippings) New Haven, CT newspaper clippings of both the lengthy marriage announcement and the lengthy obituary for Sarah Tracy Whitney b? d 1901 daughter of Eli Whitney b 22 Jan 1847 and Sarah Sheffield Farnam. Sarah Tracy Whitney married Leonard L. Sanford in 1900 at New Haven, CT. I would like to contact her descendants through her daughter named Sarah Whitney Sanford b 1901 who was christened on the day her mother died. Leonard Sanford later married Sarah Tracy Whitney's sister Henrietta Edwards Whitney in 1904.

I also have a copy of the news clipping (my sister in law has the original) of Sarah Tracy Whitney's sister Anne Farnam Whitney's marriage to Thomas McElrath Debevoise in New Haven, CT 1901. Thomas' father was George W. Debevoise of NY.

If any of you know of the family of these couples or are in need of a copy of the above, please do not respond to the list but contact me directly and I will make arrangements for you to receive them.

Jennifer L. Oeland Palmdale, CA 93551 [email protected]

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From: Sue Rood <[email protected]>

To: "WHITNEY family genealogy list" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: 19th C. Death Notices Fredonia Censor, NY Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:58:30 -0800 Sender: [email protected]

Edward Sinker wrote: > I have an email contact in Jamestown, Chautauqua Co., who sent > me the photocopy some time ago but I think she would charge for > providing the service. > > Does anybody else have any bright ideas??? Hi Edward & Barbara,

I am a member of the Chautauqua County Genealogical Society and they

have done extensive gathering of cemetery records and obits from several of the papers in Chautauqua County and might give you information by posting a query on their home page. For www, click on my home page and link to NY/PA and under societies, CCGS is listed and will link to their web site. Although I have a direct WHITNEY link, the WHITNEYs in Mina, Chautauqua Co. are probably descendants of Benjamin WHITNEY & Sarah BASSETT. Benjamin died in Washington Co., NY, Sarah married (2) John F. FARNSWORTH and they moved to Mina taking the children of Sarah's first marriage. I am a descendant of Sarah & John. I have information about Sarah if she is your ancestor. Good Luck, Sue -- email: [email protected] http://www.ct.net/~roods Sue Rood, 617 Spring Lake Blvd, Sebring, FL 33870-6277 Researching Que: BROUSSEAU Canada/US: HOYT/WEBSTER, SHAVER/VAN KUEREN US: BASSETT, BARTON/FAIRFIELD, KEOUGH, MOREY/THOMAS

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