Mailing List Discussions, December 1997
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 21:37:17 To: [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected]
From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif">
Subject: Re: Fwd: Marston Query
At 09:54 PM 11/30/97 -0500, [email protected] wrote: >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >From: [email protected] (Dana/Erlene Davis) >Sender: [email protected] (Genealogy and history in the >New England area.) >Reply-to: [email protected] (Dana/Erlene Davis) >To: [email protected] >Date: 97-11-30 19:41:22 EST > >Abigail Marsters married Nathaniel Whitney in Grafton, Mass. on 20 Feb. >1754. Their children were: Nathaniel; Abigail; Mary; Lydia; Hannah; Joseph; >Katherine; Tirzah and Lois. A Hannah Marsties (Abigail's twin sister?) mar. >James Call on 8 March 1757 in Leicester, Mass. The name, found in vital >records in many towns in the area was spelled Marstop; Marstus; Masten, >just to name a few spellings but I think they are probably all the same >name. I believe that Abigail and Hannah could be the twin daughters born to >John Masters on 9 May 1731 as noted in the "Essex Historical and >Genealogical Register Vol 2, page 9, Births in Jeffreyes Creek (now >Manchester, Mass). Is there anyone who can help me prove the ancestry of my >Abigail Marsters. > > ----------------------------------------------- > List problems? > Check > your WELCOME message FIRST > http://php.indiana.edu/~stephenl/genealog.htm#common SECOND > then contact [email protected] > (Not being unfriendly - just swamped with mail.)
The Nathan-5 WHITNEY who m. 20 Feb 1754, Grafton, MA [Grafton VRs], Abigail Marstass, did not have the list of children you give. I do not have a full list of his children, but among them were the following six born in Brookfield, MA [Brookfield VRs]:
1. David, b. 2 Oct 1762. 2. Esther, b. 26 Jan 1766. 3. Abigail, b. 3 Apr 1768. 4. Hannah, b. 28 Apr 1771. 5. Asa, b. 30 Mar 1773.
An additional alleged child is a certain John, birth date and place unknown. Of these, I know further only of David, who apparently was the David WHITNEY who died 17 Sep 1838 at Bolton, MA [Bolton VRs], aged 77 years.
Nathan-5 was b. 23 Jul 1726, Watertown, MA, son of Thomas-4 and Hannah (SMITH) WHITNEY [Eleazer-3, Thomas-2, John-1].
The list of children you give belong to Nathaniel-6 and Abigail (JOSLING) WHITNEY, married 26 Dec 1753, Westborough, MA [Westborough VRs]. She is alleged to have been born 5 Sep 1735, on what authority I know not. Nathaniel died 1 May 1776, Grafton, MA [Grafton VRs], and she m.(2) 19 Apr 1779, Shrewsbury, MA [Shrewsbury VRs], Ebenezer CUTLER. I don't have a date of death for her, or parents' names.
Nathaniel-6 and Abigail (JOSLING) WHITNEY had the following children, all born in Grafton, MA [Grafton VRs]:
1. Nathaniel-7, b. 14 Oct 1754. 2. Abigail, b. 10 Feb 1757. 3. Mary, b. 19 Mar 1759. 4. Lydia, b. 20 Mar 1761. 5. Abigail, b. 11 Apr 1763. 6. Hannah, b. 28 Aug 1765. 7. Joseph, b. 27 Nov 1767. 8. Catherine, b. 14 Feb 1770. 9. Tirzah, b. 15 Aug 1772. 10. Lois, b. 8 Feb 1775.
Nathaniel-6 WHITNEY, b. 22 Jul 1728, Westborough, MA [Westborough VRs], was son of Nathaniel-5 and Mary (CHILD) WHITNEY [Nathaniel-4, Nathaniel-3, John-2, John-1]. More data is available about his children.
Much more is known about the ancestors of each of Nathan-5 and Nathaniel-6 above. Tell me what you need.
I cannot help with proof of the identity of Abigail MARSTASS, but your theory sounds tenable. I would be interested if you ever do figure out that particular point.
Regards,
Robert
Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:24:20 -0500 (EST) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: WHITNEY-D Digest V97 #149
Once again the Whitney Digest only contained the first post.
Can someone send me the others?
I am going to go back to the regular list as this is a royal pain.
Sorry to bother.
Jo Hogle [email protected]
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 23:27:46 To: "Doneva Shepard" <[email protected]>, [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Fw: Rebecca Whitney ??? & John Bayless
At 07:44 PM 11/30/97 -0800, you wrote: >Does anyone else have access to the Early New England Marriages microfilm at >the FHC's? If there was a marriage, it would be on there. Maybe they even >have it on FTM CD's now?? >Doneva > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joe Sissom <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Date: Sunday, November 30, 1997 5:51 PM >Subject: Rebecca Whitney ??? & John Bayless > > >>Heeeelllp. For years, my researcher (copyist) cousins have been trying >>to promulgate that Rebecca Stillwell married John Bayless on LI c1640. >>This ain't so! Just a bit of research on the Stillwell family >>establishes that there just wasn't one for him to marry! >> >>Now, it has been hypothesized that she was Rebecca Whitney, dau of >>Henry. I have never seen a Rebecca promoted as a dau of Henry or other >>Whitney of that era. >> >>John Bayless was b.1617 in England. They were having children (a John & >>Rebecca among others) by 1642. We know his wife's given name was >>Rebecca. >> >>Any help out there??? >> >>Thanks >> >> >>Joe Sissom
Clarence Almon Torry, _New England Marriages Prior to 1700_, says that John BAYLIES ( -1682) m. bef. 1642, Rebecca -----, who m. 1684 William HALLETT; he lived in Jamaica, LI, NY. There is no hint of a maiden name for Rebecca.
Regards,
Robert. Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:59:46 -0500 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Rebecca Whitney ??? & John Bayless Sender: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]>
To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>
Joe Sissom wrote: >>Now, it has been hypothesized that she was Rebecca Whitney, dau of Henry. I have never seen a Rebecca promoted as a dau of Henry or other Whitney of that era.
John Bayless was b.1617 in England. They were having children (a John & Rebecca among others) by 1642. We know his wife's given name was Rebecca.<<
According to S. Whitney Phoenix, Henry Whitney did not arrive in America until about 1649. John, his only ~known~ son was born in 1642, it seems that any siblings of John could not have been married to someone born in 1617 (i.e. John Bayless). However, since we know nothing of Henry's ancestry, it could be possible that Henry had a sister named Rebecca, since we have an approximate birth for Henry of 1620.
I have two resources here at home on CD: Crystal Connections CD, which is just another compilation of collected Gedcoms; and NEHG Register - the New England Historical Genealogical Society's Register.
A search of the Kindred Konnections CD for JOHN BAYLESS resulted in one hit.
Submitter Lillian H. Herrin, 2917 Morgan Street S.W., Huntsville, Alabama 35805-4319 Phone: 205-533-5566
Ms. Herrin's Gedcom listed John Bayless wife's name as REBECCA VINCENT WHITNEY?, born 1621 England, died 1641 Long Island? and gave their marriage date as 1641 Long Island? 11 children with almost all dates & spouses were given. Unfortunately no sources were included. You may want to try & contact Ms. Herrin by snail-mail.
Unfortunately, I turned up nothing on John Bayless in the NEHG Register CDs. I tried the "variant" of the name they gave for Bayless, which was spelled BAYLIES, with no luck.
Next I turned to GenServ and posted a search for John Bayless. I noticed that you too, Joe, contributed Gedcoms there so I gather you have searched it. Nothing new ... except your own notes which in part read:
"imm. with family to Bermuda 1635, to Am. in 'Truelove' (?)"
Could Rebecca Whitney be a part of the BERMUDA Whitney clan which has surfaced? Just a thought.
Wish I could have helped more! Anyone of the Bermuda Whitney researchers have a Rebecca in the 1615-1625 birth range with a possible middle name of Vincent?
Good luck!
- -) Jeanne
From: "Doneva Shepard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Rebecca Whitney ??? & John Bayless Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:25:07 -0800
Jeanne what about the microfilm in the FHC's "Marriages of Early New England immigrants" . . . I think by Torrey (Torrie?) I have my Ralph Keeler's marriages but didn't get others and it's been a long time since I looked at that film. It is on a continual loan at "my" FHC in Portland (the one I frequent). Anybody know what I'm talking about? Doneva
Original Message-----
From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, December 01, 1997 6:17 PM Subject: Rebecca Whitney ??? & John Bayless
>Joe Sissom wrote:
>>>Now, it has been hypothesized that she was Rebecca Whitney, dau of Henry.
>I have never seen a Rebecca promoted as a dau of Henry or other Whitney of
>that era.
>
>John Bayless was b.1617 in England. They were having children (a John &
>Rebecca among others) by 1642. We know his wife's given name was
>Rebecca.<<
>
>According to S. Whitney Phoenix, Henry Whitney did not arrive in America
>until about 1649. John, his only ~known~ son was born in 1642, it seems
>that any siblings of John could not have been married to someone born in
>1617 (i.e. John Bayless). However, since we know nothing of Henry's
>ancestry, it could be possible that Henry had a sister named Rebecca, since
>we have an approximate birth for Henry of 1620.
>
>I have two resources here at home on CD: Crystal Connections CD, which is
>just another compilation of collected Gedcoms; and NEHG Register - the New
>England Historical Genealogical Society's Register.
>
>A search of the Kindred Konnections CD for JOHN BAYLESS resulted in one
>hit.
>
>Submitter Lillian H. Herrin, 2917 Morgan Street S.W., Huntsville, Alabama
>35805-4319 Phone: 205-533-5566
>
>Ms. Herrin's Gedcom listed John Bayless wife's name as REBECCA VINCENT
>WHITNEY?, born 1621 England, died 1641 Long Island? and gave their marriage
>date as 1641 Long Island? 11 children with almost all dates & spouses were
>given. Unfortunately no sources were included. You may want to try &
>contact Ms. Herrin by snail-mail.
>
>Unfortunately, I turned up nothing on John Bayless in the NEHG Register
>CDs. I tried the "variant" of the name they gave for Bayless, which was
>spelled BAYLIES, with no luck.
>
>Next I turned to GenServ and posted a search for John Bayless. I noticed
>that you too, Joe, contributed Gedcoms there so I gather you have searched
>it. Nothing new ... except your own notes which in part read:
>
>"imm. with family to Bermuda 1635, to Am. in 'Truelove' (?)"
>
>Could Rebecca Whitney be a part of the BERMUDA Whitney clan which has
>surfaced? Just a thought.
>
>Wish I could have helped more! Anyone of the Bermuda Whitney researchers
>have a Rebecca in the 1615-1625 birth range with a possible middle name of
>Vincent?
>
>Good luck!
>;-) Jeanne
>
>
From: "Doneva Shepard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Fw: Rebecca Whitney ??? & John Bayless Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:14:23 -0800
Yes, that's it . . . Do you have that on a CD or is it from the FHC microfilm? Thanks Robert. Doneva
Original Message-----
From: Robert L. Ward at <img src="/robertward.gif"> To: Doneva Shepard <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, December 01, 1997 8:50 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Rebecca Whitney ??? & John Bayless
>At 07:44 PM 11/30/97 -0800, you wrote:
>>Does anyone else have access to the Early New England Marriages microfilm
at
>>the FHC's? If there was a marriage, it would be on there. Maybe they
even
>>have it on FTM CD's now??
>>Doneva
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Joe Sissom <[email protected]>
>>To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>Date: Sunday, November 30, 1997 5:51 PM >>Subject: Rebecca Whitney ??? & John Bayless >> >> >>>Heeeelllp. For years, my researcher (copyist) cousins have been trying >>>to promulgate that Rebecca Stillwell married John Bayless on LI c1640. >>>This ain't so! Just a bit of research on the Stillwell family >>>establishes that there just wasn't one for him to marry! >>> >>>Now, it has been hypothesized that she was Rebecca Whitney, dau of >>>Henry. I have never seen a Rebecca promoted as a dau of Henry or other >>>Whitney of that era. >>> >>>John Bayless was b.1617 in England. They were having children (a John & >>>Rebecca among others) by 1642. We know his wife's given name was >>>Rebecca. >>> >>>Any help out there??? >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>> >>>Joe Sissom > >Clarence Almon Torry, _New England Marriages Prior to 1700_, says that >John BAYLIES ( -1682) m. bef. 1642, Rebecca -----, who m. 1684 William >HALLETT; he lived in Jamaica, LI, NY. There is no hint of a maiden name >for Rebecca. > >Regards, > >Robert. >Robert L. Ward ><img src="/robertward.gif"> >http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ >12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 >301-776-1659
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 14:33:06 +0000 From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]> Organization: AT&T To: WRG <[email protected]> Subject: Family crests????
WRG, My husband photocopied two pages out of a book at our local library (Bellevue, WA) on family crests. Don't scream at me, he did *not* even write down the names of the books. I could always go and look them up...
but...can someone explain to me what all this means?
first book:
page 809 Whitney. --local 'of Whitney,' a parish in co. Hereford. It is quite clear that co. Hereford is the chief home of this family. Nevertheless Witney, the formerly well-known town in co. Oxford, must have swelled the total.
John de Witteneye, co. Suff., 1273. A.
Thomas de Whytene, co. Notts, ibid.
Robert de Wyttenye, co. Hereford, Hen. III-Edw. I. K.
1604 Henry Whitney, co. Heref.: Reg. Univ. Oxf. vol. ii. pt. ii. p. 275
1605 Thomas Whitney, co. Heref.: ibid. p. 285
1676 George Whitney and Sarah Todd: Marriage Alleg. (Canterbury), ii 169.
London, 8; MDB (co. Hereford), I; Philadelphis, 28; Boston (U.S.), 216
second book: page 207
(Has pictures of crests - or maybe these are armours???)
Witney, Sir Eustace de, of Cheshire-- (E.II. Roll) bore paly (6) or and gules, a chief vair; Parliamentary Roll.
Witney, Eustace and Robert De Whitneye --(H. III. Roll) bore, axure, a cross counter-compony or and gules. (F.) St. George and Surrey Rolls; argent and gules in Arden Roll.
....and then a handwritten scrolled name under an armour that looks to say Eustafe d. Witeneie
I am clueless. -- Always looking, Shawn Boone Whitney [email protected]
Researching Ger-Rus surnames: KNODEL,KREITER,RIEKER
Also: BOONE, ELDER, ELLIS, EWING, GAMBLE, GODLEY, HUGGINS, JACKSON, KINNE, MANNING, OHMER, SMALL, STONE, TAYLOR, TOWER, WHITNEY, YOUNGS and others
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 14:35:20 +0000 From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]> Organization: AT&T To: WRG <[email protected]>
Subject: Family crests???
My computer "hungup" and I am not sure this went out so will send again. please excuse me if it comes through twice.
WRG, My husband photocopied two pages out of a book at our local library (Bellevue, WA) on family crests. Don't scream at me, he did *not* even write down the names of the books. I could always go and look them up...
but...can someone explain to me what all this means?
first book:
page 809 Whitney. --local 'of Whitney,' a parish in co. Hereford. It is quite clear that co. Hereford is the chief home of this family. Nevertheless Witney, the formerly well-known town in co. Oxford, must have swelled the total.
John de Witteneye, co. Suff., 1273. A.
Thomas de Whytene, co. Notts, ibid.
Robert de Wyttenye, co. Hereford, Hen. III-Edw. I. K.
1604 Henry Whitney, co. Heref.: Reg. Univ. Oxf. vol. ii. pt. ii. p. 275
1605 Thomas Whitney, co. Heref.: ibid. p. 285
1676 George Whitney and Sarah Todd: Marriage Alleg. (Canterbury), ii 169.
London, 8; MDB (co. Hereford), I; Philadelphis, 28; Boston (U.S.), 216
second book: page 207
(Has pictures of crests - or maybe these are armours???)
Witney, Sir Eustace de, of Cheshire-- (E.II. Roll) bore paly (6) or and gules, a chief vair; Parliamentary Roll.
Witney, Eustace and Robert De Whitneye --(H. III. Roll) bore, axure, a cross counter-compony or and gules. (F.) St. George and Surrey Rolls; argent and gules in Arden Roll.
....and then a handwritten scrolled name under an armour that looks to say Eustafe d. Witeneie
I am clueless. -- Always looking, Shawn Boone Whitney [email protected]
Researching Ger-Rus surnames: KNODEL,KREITER,RIEKER
Also: BOONE, ELDER, ELLIS, EWING, GAMBLE, GODLEY, HUGGINS, JACKSON, KINNE, MANNING, OHMER, SMALL, STONE, TAYLOR, TOWER, WHITNEY, YOUNGS and others
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 08:46:52 -0600 To: Whitney Discussion Group <[email protected]> From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY: St. Margaret's Church
Several people have asked if I have any photographs of St. Margaret's Church available. This morning I scanned in a few photographs that I took during my recent visit to London. They can be seen from my Whitney page at http://www.outburst.com/whitney. Feel free to create links to this page.
Tim Doyle [email protected] / [email protected]
WWW homepage: http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ ftp directory: doit.com pub/tdoyle
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 19:17:35 To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Coldham/Coldam/Coldom
At 04:54 PM 12/2/97 EST, [email protected] wrote: >Hello everyone. > >I am interested in the Coldham/Coldam/Coldom reference in your genealogies. > Some of you have reference to a Martha Coldam, who married Richard Whitney >in Watertown, Ma ca 1650. > >Has anyone been able to trace her ancestry? I believe that she could be >the daughter of Thomas Coldam of Lynn, Mass., and sister of Clement of Lynn >and Gloucester, Mass. I would be very interested in more details about her >if they are available and would enjoy working on her ancestry with someone. > >Thank you for your interest. > >Best regards, > >Dick Norwood > ***** English Programs for Internationals ***** >* USC Byrnes 310, Columbia, SC 29208 USA >* http://www.epi.sc.edu >* (803) 777-3867 ** (803) 777-6839 (fax)
Dear Dick,
There is an excellent article on the subject:
Dempsey, James G., "Thomas Coldam of Lynn, Mass.," _The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, vol. CXXV (1971), pp. 24-28.
Martha-2 (COLDAM) WHITNEY was, indeed, daughter of Thomas-1 and Johanna (-----) COLDAM, and sister of Clement-2. I suppose you are a descendant of the Elizabeth-3 COLDAM who m. Francis NORWOOD of Gloucester, mentioned on p. 27.
Regards,
Robert
Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 21:01:45 To: [email protected], [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Family crests????
At 02:33 PM 12/2/97 +0000, you wrote: >WRG, >My husband photocopied two pages out of a book at our local library >(Bellevue, WA) on family crests. Don't scream at me, he did *not* >even write down the names of the books. I could always go and look >them up... > >but...can someone explain to me what all this means? > >first book: > >page 809 >Whitney. --local 'of Whitney,' a parish in co. Hereford. It is quite >clear that co. Hereford is the chief home of this family. >Nevertheless Witney, the formerly well-known town in co. Oxford, must >have swelled the total.
Description of the family's name and its origin.
>John de Witteneye, co. Suff., 1273. A.
A reference to a coat of arms for a certain John de WITTENEYE, recorded in 1273 in County Suffolk.
>Thomas de Whytene, co. Notts, ibid.
A coat of arms for a Thomas de WHYTENE, recorded 1273 in County Nottingham.
>Robert de Wyttenye, co. Hereford, Hen. III-Edw. I. K.
A coat of arms for Robert de WYTTENYE, County Hereford, during the reigns of Kings Henry III and Edward I.
>1604 Henry Whitney, co. Heref.: Reg. Univ. Oxf. vol. ii. pt. ii. p. >275
Henry WHITNEY of County Hereford, 1604, listed in the Register of the University of Oxford, volume ii, part ii, page 275.
>1605 Thomas Whitney, co. Heref.: ibid. p. 285
Thomas WHITNEY of County Hereford, 1605, listed in the Register of the University of Oxford, volume ii, part ii, page 285.
>1676 George Whitney and Sarah Todd: Marriage Alleg. (Canterbury), ii >169.
George WHITNEY and Sarah TODD, marriage allegation recorded in 1676 at Canterbury, volume ii, page 169.
>London, 8; MDB (co. Hereford), I; Philadelphis, 28; Boston (U.S.), 216
I haven't the faintest about these. Probably there was in the book a key to the abbreviations used which would be useful.
>second book: >page 207 > >(Has pictures of crests - or maybe these are armours???) > >Witney, Sir Eustace de, of Cheshire-- (E.II. Roll) bore paly (6) or >and gules, a chief vair; Parliamentary Roll.
Sir Eustace de WITNEY of Cheshire, Roll of Arms, reign of King Edward II, six vertical bars alternating gold and red, with the top quarter of the shield colored with a stylized kind of fur. This was from a roll of arms for Members of Parliament (i.e., feudal barons in the House of Lords).
>Witney, Eustace and Robert De Whitneye --(H. III. Roll) bore, axure, a >cross counter-compony or and gules. (F.) St. George and Surrey Rolls; >argent and gules in Arden Roll.
Eustace WITNEY and Robert de WHTINEYE, Roll of Arms, reign of King Henry III, a blue shield, with an X-shaped cross in red and gold. From the St. George and Surrey Rolls of Arms. Gold replaced by silver in the Arden Roll of Arms.
>....and then a handwritten scrolled name under an armour that looks to >say Eustafe d. Witeneie
I'm not sure that this is a lot of valuable genealogical information, but it does give several coats of arms and names of people living in medieval times who were members of the de WHITNEY families of Herefordshire and Cheshire.
Regards,
Robert
Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
From: [email protected] To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
Organization: English Programs for Internationals Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 16:54:27 EST Subject: Coldham/Coldam/Coldom
Hello everyone.
I am interested in the Coldham/Coldam/Coldom reference in your genealogies.
Some of you have reference to a Martha Coldam, who married Richard Whitney
in Watertown, Ma ca 1650.
Has anyone been able to trace her ancestry? I believe that she could be the daughter of Thomas Coldam of Lynn, Mass., and sister of Clement of Lynn and Gloucester, Mass. I would be very interested in more details about her if they are available and would enjoy working on her ancestry with someone.
Thank you for your interest.
Best regards,
Dick Norwood
***** English Programs for Internationals *****
- USC Byrnes 310, Columbia, SC 29208 USA
- http://www.epi.sc.edu
- (803) 777-3867 ** (803) 777-6839 (fax)
From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 17:36:47 -0500 To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: Coldham/Coldam/Coldom
I have one Coldham, Clement (s/o Thomas) in the early 17th century. That's all I have out of nearly 22,000 entries in my files, hardly making me any "Coldham expert".
EPCrandall
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:53:01 -0800 To: [email protected], WRG <[email protected]> From: sherrill madden <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Family crests????
At 02:33 PM 12/2/97 +0000, Shawn Whitney wrote: >WRG, >My husband photocopied two pages out of a book at our local library >(Bellevue, WA) on family crests. Don't scream at me, he did *not* >even write down the names of the books. I could always go and look >Hello.. I am a Whitney dec. but also searching TAYLOR. I noticed you had a TAYLOR in your signature area. Any possibility they are from NY? Sherrill Madden
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 23:23:55 -0600 To: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif">
From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Coldham/Coldam/Coldom Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
At 07:17 PM 12/2/97, Robert L. Ward wrote:
>At 04:54 PM 12/2/97 EST, [email protected] wrote: >>I am interested in the Coldham/Coldam/Coldom reference in your genealogies.
>There is an excellent article on the subject: > >Dempsey, James G., "Thomas Coldam of Lynn, Mass.," _The New England Historical >and Genealogical Register, vol. CXXV (1971), pp. 24-28. > >Martha-2 (COLDAM) WHITNEY was, indeed, daughter of Thomas-1 and Johanna >(-----) COLDAM, and sister of Clement-2. I suppose you are a descendant of >the Elizabeth-3 COLDAM who m. Francis NORWOOD of Gloucester, mentioned on >p. 27.
There is also an excellent article on Thomas Coldham in Robert Charles Anderson's _The Great Migration Begins, Immigrants to New England 1620-1633_, Volume 1, (Boston, Mass.: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995), p. 417-420. In this article, Mr. Anderson discusses the possibility that some of Thomas COLDHAM's children, including Martha, may have been the children of an unknown first wife and perhaps not by his wife Joannah.
Tim Doyle [email protected] / [email protected]
WWW homepage: http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ ftp directory: doit.com pub/tdoyle
From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:39:57 -0500 (EST) To: [email protected] cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Eliphalet Mace
Dear Robert L. Ward, Allan E. Green, Jon Aston, and Kathleen Jenkins:
First and foremost thank you all for the information sent. It answered a question. Thanks for the author, title, and date of publication of the Pierce genealogy. I request the place of publication and page(s) so that I my complete the foot note.
Second point: My name is Jan (pronounced "yon") Koso. Edith Bookstein is Edith (Leavis) (Koso) Bookstein; my mother. I was there for Thanksgiving when I initially found your web sites. Please discontinue sending e-mails to her.
My link to the Mace family is through my mother. She is the daughter of the late Alan Arthur and Suzanne Elizabeth (Mace) Leavis. Her conjectured line is Walter Vincent-8 (Charles Henry-7, George William-6, 5, Joseph-4, John-3, Joseph-2, Robert-1). I am certain back to George William-5. I am still exploring other leads.
On and off for about ten years I have been gathering data on the Mace family.
It is my intention to submit for publication, in the New England Historic
Genealogical Register, generations 1-5 some time next year.
The section at present is as follows:
Eliphalet-5 Mace (Eliphalet-4, Reuben-3,2, Robert-1) was born Billerica, Massachusetts, 9 November 1762 and died prior to 1827. His first wife is unknown. He married (2) Littleton, Massachusetts, 16 March 1785, Lois Whitney. She was born Stow, Massachusetts, 16 January 1766 to Joshua and Mary (Pierce) Whitney.
Children of Eliphalet Mace and Lois Whitney:
i. Lois Mace, b 1 August 1783; m 1/5 January 1809, Elijah Averill
ii. Eliphalet Mace, b Boxborough, Massachusetts, c 1785; m (1) Ann Pierce;
m (2) Olive (Gleason) Philips
iii. John Mace, b Fitchburg, Massachusetts, c 1789; m Fanny Johnson
Yours sinerely,
J. A. Koso
From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:58:47 GMT To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Subject: NEHGS and the Austin-Whitneys, etc.
(Notionally to Tim Doyle but sent to the Group)
Tim,
Seeing your reference to the NEHGS (I think your note to them is a good idea) reminded me that almost exactly 2 years ago I wrote to them (G B Roberts) asking about some archive material which might be of considerable interest. I had not received a reply by the end of April 1996, an interval of more than 5 months. To be fair, it has just occurred to me that I moved house at that time and did not send a new address, so it is possible that a reply was sent and not passed on to me. I have not followed it up, but I would be interested in your comments (or any one else's out there) on whether you think it might be worth pursuing.
I have appended my letter below; it needs no further explanation.
John
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Gary Boyd Roberts 30 November 1995 NEHGS
Dear Mr Roberts,
I am informed (see below) that you have carried out research relating to John Whitney, the 1635 emigrant to Watertown. Back in 1989 I started doing a bit of research into my immediate forebears, and soon found myself getting into the matter of the ancestry of John Whitney the emigrant - not that I have any evidence (yet) to link us!
Both my grandfather (born 1845) and his great uncle Thomas Whitney of Hereford and Bath (born around 1780) were quite interested in their Whitney ancestral line. My grandfather bought a copy of Melville's book "The Ancestry of JW" directly from Melville for $4 in 1898 (I have seen a copy of the correspondence between them). He also acquired a book by Henry Green, published in 1866 - "A Facsimile Reprint of Geoffrey Whitney's "A Choice of Emblemes", originally published in 1586.
Thomas Whitney appears to have believed that his descent from the main English Whitney line was traceable, and in 1830 he commissioned a professional genealogist & heraldry consultant, a Mr. Guiscard, to construct a pedigree chart to show ("prove"!) the connection. Guiscard failed - his chart fizzles out with John Whitney, obit. 1700, son of Robert Whitney & Mary Towers.
I have read Melville's book and two TAG articles relating to the Whitney descent - Jacobus (1933) and Paul C. Reed on (mainly) Henry Whitney "of Connecticut". As you probably know, this all hinges around John's father Thos. W. of Westminster, and who his ancestors really were.
Earlier this year I discovered ROOTS-L, and have since had various e-mail exchanges with two John Whitney descendents - Robert Ward and Mike Roman. I occasionally visit the Boston area, and Mike suggested that next time I'm there we should visit the NEHGS together, so that I can meet you and see what you have on file there. I spent half a day at the BPL in 1989, and had a good browse through the old Watertown maps, etc. and through various books, including one by Henry Austin Whitney, "Brief account of descendents of J & E Whitney, etc."
I am prompted to write to you now on the specific subject of Henry and Samuel Austin Whitney. I have a copy of the Henry Green book mentioned above, in which he includes some detail on Geoffrey Whitney's Cheshire/Hereford connections, etc., and in particular he describes how in Feb. 1866 he heard from Henry Austin Whitney of Boston who had visited Leyden in Holland a short while after Green, where he (HAW) found out about Green's forthcoming book. He goes on to mention "Mr Samuel Austin Whitney of Glassboro, New Jersey, Horatio G. Somerby, Esq. ...". SAW was HAW's nephew, if my BPL notes are correct.
Green and HAW corresponded, and Green gratefully acknowledges and reproduces a pedigree chart apparently compiled by SAW and later by Somerby. The chart purports to show that the 1635 JW descended from the Whitneys of ISLIP in Oxfordshire, his father being a Richard Whitney. Several Wills are quoted from, and these certainly exist, copies being located right here in the Oxford Record Office.
Henry Green states that HAW had printed in Boston several copies of various documents relating to his Whitney research, which Green lists in detail (see below) although he does not reproduce them all. Oddly, although Melville himself quotes from the Henry Green book, he does not refer to the Islip connection.
I have no idea whether the research carried out by HAW/SAW/HGS is any more or less valid than that of Melville et al. The reason for my writing to you is that there seems to have been little or no mention of the "Islip" research since it was carried out, and this puzzles me. I did see a mention of it at the BPL when browsing through J.J. Minot, Ancestors & Descendents of HAW, 1934. Minot states that the emigrant's father was either Thos. W. of Lambeth Marsh, or Richard W. of Islip. Maybe he found the Islip reference in HAW's book, but I do not recall seeing it.
I am curious to know whether the Austin-Whitneys' and Somerby's records of their respective researches while in England, and perhaps the pedigree charts listed below, are by any chance in the NEHGS archives ? I recall a reference in HAW's book to the NEHG Register.
My short-term aim in all this is to familiarise myself with what has already been done, and to try to collect together as much as possible of the research material which exists relating to the ancestry of JW. My longer-term aim is to see if I can scratch around over here and try to shed some more light on the subject!
Yours sincerely,
(sgd: John G. Whitney)
P.S. Here are a couple of extracts from Henry Green's 1866 book. The
first is from the List of Subscribers to the book. The second is
from HG's notes on the material sent to him by HAW, or printed
for HAW in Boston ....
(i) Henry Austin Whitney; Joseph Whitney; Henry Lawrence Whitney;
Joseph Cutler Whitney; Ellerton Pratt Whitney; Miss Elizabeth
Whitney; Miss Constance Whitney [all these of Boston, Mass];
Thomas Heston Whitney of Glassboro', NJ.
(ii) "Received from HAW: (a) MSS copy of the Will of Geoffrey Whitney
the poet, lately extracted from the original by Horatio G.
Somerby; (b) Memoranda relating to families of the name Whitney
in England; (c) Wills relating to the name of Whitney in
Buckinghamshire & Oxfordshire, England, 1549 to 1603, with a
Pedigree."
"Of the Memoranda, ten copies were printed on royal 4to, pages 11, at Boston, USA, April 1859; and of the Wills twelve copies on royal 4to, pages 23, were privately printed at Boston, USA, October 10th, 1865 ...."
He lists 16 Whitney Pedigree charts, viz: 1: W. of W. Herefordshire; 2: W. of Clifford, Herefordshire; 3: W.s of Herefordshire; 4: W. of Llandbeder, Radnor (Wales); 5: W. of Coole [Pilate], Cheshire; 6: W.s of Cheshire; 7: W. of Picton, Cheshire; 8: W. of Barthomley, Cheshire; 9: W.s of London; 10: W.s of Shropshire; 11: W. of Brook Walden, Essex; 12: W. of Surrey; 13: W. of Chinner and of Islip, Oxfordshire; 14: W. of Holt, Worcestershire; 15: W.s of various counties, viz: Bucks, Suffolk, Oxon, Norfolk, York, Warwick, Wilts, Bristol, Northants, Lincoln; 16: W. of Watertown, NE.
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Robert,
Nice work responding to Sheryl. Any chance of having those Crests scanned so they can be copied and printed?
Thanks, Jim Whitney
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I am looking for the ancestry of Abigail Josling who was probably born 5 September 1735. She mar. first, Nathaniel (6) Whitney on 26 Dec. 1753 in Westborough, MA. They had the following children: 1. Nathaniel, b. 14 Oct. 1754; 2. Abigail, b. 10 Feb. 1757; 3. Mary, b. 19 March 1759; 4. Lydia, b. 20 March 1761; 5. Abigail, b. 11 April 1763; 6. Hannah, b. 28 Aug. 1765; 7. Joseph, b. 27 Nov. 1767; 8. Catherine, b. 14 Feb. 1770; 9. Tirzah, b. 15 Aug. 1772; 10. Lois, b. 8 Feb. 1775. Nathaniel died on 1 May 1776 in Grafton, MA and she mar. 2nd on 19 Apr. 1779 in Shrewsbury, MA to Ebenezer Cutler. Thank you, in advance, to anyone that can help me determine the parents and ancestors of Abigail.--Erlene Davis
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WRG I lost the answer to Shawn Boone Whitney, explaining the Crests and other information. If it is still available, could some one please send me another copy. Thank you. [email protected]
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Thank you all for responding. I've only just started seriously researching back through the Whitney line of my family. I've been sharing information with three newly discovered cousins hoping to fill in some blanks. Yesterday, I found out that my great grandfather, Zachariah Whitney was born May 17, 1851 at Pentwynmawr Clydach Iron Works, Llanelly - (Can any one tell me about this area?) His father was Walter Whitney, a coal miner and his mother was Caroline, maiden name Cross. This is the first time that any of the present family has ever known the mother's name. Has any one ever come across any of these Whitneys or locations before? I could use any help and information anyone has to give and will appreciate any that is offered. Thank you. [email protected]
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:08:35 -0500 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: WHITCOMB WHITNEY Sender: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>
Here is a message I received yesterday from some named Farnsworth. Thought everyone would like to be included. ;-) Jeanne
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:09:09 -0500 (EST) To: [email protected], [email protected] cc: [email protected] Subject: WHITCOMB WHITNEY
WHITNEY The following information is from the Farnsworth Memor- ial:
England to Massachusetts
p. 4l6 Sir Robert Whitney ca l440 m. Constance Touchet
James Whitney b. ca l465 m. Blanche Melbourne
Robert Whitney b. ca l49l m. Margaret Wye
Sir Robert Whitney b. ca l5l7 m. Sybil Basker-
ville.
Robert Whitney b. ca l543 m. Elizabeth Guillims
Thomas Whitney b. ca l563 m. Mary Bray
John Whitney b. l589 m. Ellen___
John Whitney b. l620 m. Ruth Reynolds
Ruth Whitney b. l645 m. John Shattuck, MA.
Ruth Shattuck b. l668 m. Jonathan Farnsworth of
Groton MA.
***********
p.42 Elizabeth Whitney b. l686 daug of Joshua Whitney
and Abigail (Tarball) Whitney of Watertown, MA
m. l707 Ebenezer Farnsworth b. l684 at Groton MA
son of Matthias Farnsworth Jr. and Sarah Nutting
Elizabeth and Ebenezer had eight Farnsworth
children listed p. 43, 44 and 45.
p.69 Lydia Whitney b. l792 at Harvard MA daug of
Enoch Whitney and Hannah Whitney m. l8l0 Samuel
Farnsworth b. l788 d. l846 at Harvard MA son of
Ebenezer Farnsworth and Martha (Hale) Farnsworth
of Littleton, N.H.
p.90 Minnie A. Whitney b. l867 d. l924 m. l888
James N. Waite b. l858 at Weston Vt. son of
Nelson Loren Waite and Sarah (Miles) Waite.
They had four children listed p. 90 on request.
p.9l Charles Whitney m. Lydia Farnsworth b. l838 at
Groton, MA daug of Thomas Farnsworth and wife,
Lucy Brigham Rice Farnsworth of Groton, MA.
p.92 Fred P. Whitney of Nashua N.H. m. l888 Flora
Farnsworth McKean of Nashua NH daug of Ezra
Farnsworth and his 2d wife, Clorinda (Stickney)
Farnsworth, of Brookline, N.H.
p.204 Mary Whitney m. Ephraim Pierce. Abigail Pierce
their daughter b. l7l0 m. l733 at Concord MA
Ezra Farnsworth b. l703 She was his 2d wife.
His lst wife was Elizabeth Lakin b. l705 daug
of Joseph Lakin. Ezra Farnsworth was son of
Benjamin Farnsworth and wife, Mary (Prescott)
of Groton Ma.
p.2l5 Abigail Whitney b. l740 daug of Joseph Whitney
and Abigail (Nutting) of Groton MA m. l759
at Pepperell MA Zaccheus Farnsworth b. l729
at Groton, MA son of Aaron Farnsworth and Hannah
(Barron) Farnsworth of Groton, MA Their child-
are listed p. 229 and p. 230.
p.2l8 Relief Whitney b. l773 m. l803 Asa Tarball b.
l772 at Watertown, MA. son of John Tarball
and Hannah (Farnsworth) of Watertown, MA.
p.223 Benjamin Whitney b. (see Barry's Framingham)
m. (1) Mary Turner m. (2) Anna_____ m. (3)
Olive Farnsworth b. l753 at Pepperell MA
daug of Deacon Isaac Farnsworth and Anna Green
of Groton, MA.
p.223 ____Whitney of Pepperell MA m. Lydia Tarball
daug of Thomas Tarball and Molly (Farnsworth)
of Groton MA.
p.259 Lydia Whitney m. l8l3 James Locke, Jr. b. l790
son of James Locke and Susanna (Kimball) Locke
of Thetford, Vt. They moved to Wellsboro Pa
and had twelve children not listed.
p.294 Ellen Jane Whitney b. l853 at Jonesboro, ME.
m. l87l Levi Farnsworth b. l847 at Jonesboro
son of Daniel Farnsworth and Rebecca (Norton)
Noyes of Jonesboro, ME.
l. Harriet Farnsworth b. l877 at Bangor ME
m. Albert Allen (two other children unnamed)
p.3l3 Charles Whitney m. l90l Minnie Farnsworth b.l882
daug of Lorenzo Farnsworth and Eliza (Holmstead)
of New Hartford, Iowa.
p.388 John Whitney b. l89l at Traverse City MI m. l889
Zelpha Martin b. l866 at Williams Center, Ohio
daug of Jason Martin and Eliza (Farnsworth) of
Williams Center, Ohio.
p.409 Geraldine Whitney daug of Leo Whitney aand Sofia
(Bond) m. l952 at Santa Barbara, CA Milo Taylor
b. l926 at Martin, MI son of Milo Taylor and
Zelpha Martin.
p.4l9 Phineas Whitney b. l747 (descended from John
Whitney (p.4l6) m. Keziah Farnsworth b. l742
daug of Phineas Farnsworth and Azubah (Burt)
of Harvard MA Their children:
l. Mary Whitney b. l766 at Waterford MA m.
Richard Bryant
2. Esther Whitney bp l768 m. Edmund Wentworth
3. Sarah Whitney bp l770
4. Child b. l772 d. l776
5. Jonathan Whitney bp l774
6. Relief Whitney bp l780
7. Oliver Whitney bp l78l
p.458 Moses Whitney m. Charlotte Farnsworth b. l820
at South Carolina daug of Horatio Farnsworth
and Ruth (Woodruff) of S.C.
p.523 Frank E. Whitney b. l9l3 m. l948 Athalia
V. Burns b. l920 at Sevier, Utah daug of
Robert Baxter Burns b.l888 at Cinncinnati,
Ohio and wife, Florence (Shelton) of Joseph
City, Utah.
Dr. Samuel Green's book, "Epitaphs from the Old Burial Grounds, Groton MA lists two Whitney graves: p. 1 The gravestone of Lydia Whitney wife to Mr. William Whitney. She died aged 42 years on August 24th l7l6 p. 3 The gravestone of Joshua Whitney deceased August 7th l7l9 aged 83 yrs. He was the son of John and Elinor Whitney, born July 15th l635 at Watertown, MA
WHITCOMB
The following information comes from the Farnsworth Memorial II: p.32 Mary Whitcomb (wid. of Simond Willard) m. l706
Samuel Farnsworth b. l669 son of Matthias Farns-
worth and Mary (Farr) of Groton MA. She was daug.
of Josiah Whitcomb of Lancaster Ma. Their child-
ren (listed on p. 358) as follows:
l. Mary Crew Farnsworth b. l707 m. Jonathan Page
Jr. of Lunenburg MA. He b. l7l0 He d. l75l
She d. l770. They married l727. He was one
of lst proprietors of Fort No. 4, Charlestown
MA.
2. Samuel Farnsworth b. l709 at Groton,MA. a
d. unm. was shot l746 in Indian attack at
Fort No. 4.
3. David Farnsworth b. l7ll at Groton, MA.
m. l735 Hannah Hastings of Lunenburg MA.
4. Abigail Farnsworth b. l7l3 m. ___Thomson.
5. Stephen Farnsworth b. l7l5 m. l74l Eunice
Hastings sister of Hannah Hastings. She b.
l722 He d. l77l She d. l8ll
6. Joshua Farnsworth b. l72l, was a soldier
in the St. Louisberg expedition of l745
in which he died.
NOTE The three Farnsworth brothers (above) Samuel, David and Stephen Farnsworth were the founders of Fort No.4, Charlestown N.H. l740 (see also Rev. Saunderson's History of Charlestown, NH)
p.50 Cynthia Whitcomb b. l770 d. l884 daug of Scotta-
way Whitcomb and Mary Whitcomb of w. MA. She m.
l788 Solomon Farnsworth b. l762 at Grantville,
N.Y. The are buried at Fleming Hill Cemetery
Fleming Hill, N.Y.
p.l80 Roxanna Whitcomb m. Joseph Farnsworth of Cherry
Grove, PA. He b. l8l8. She c. ca. l822 in NY
p.l80 Cynthia Whitcomb m. Joseph Farnsworth of Cherry
Grove, Pa. They had 9 children b. various towns
in Michigan.
p.306 Kenneth Whitcomb b. l902 at Temple, NH son of
Oscar Whitcomb and Evelyn (Blanchard) Whitcomb
m. Christine M. Sanborn b. l908 at Clinton, MA
daug of Arthur Burton Sanborn of Wilton, NH
and Edith Abbie Farnsworth of Fitchburg, MA.
l. Richard Whitcomb b. l942.
2. Janet Whitcomb b. l944 m. l972
Raymond Rice.
p. 434 Levi Whitcomb m. Betsey Russell b. l8l9 daug
of Robert Russell b. l783 and Hannah Farnsworth
b. l778 at Claremont NH
p.474 Charles Whitcomb m. l859 m. Sarah Carr b. l840
at Lexington, MA. daug of Ephraim Carr and
Sally (Farnsworth) Carr of Concord, MA
Charles was killed in battle in the Union Army
Civil War, May 8, l864.
From: WhitneyMR <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:09:17 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Rebecca Whitney ??? & John Bayless Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
In a message dated 12/02/97 2:45:50 AM Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
<< Could Rebecca Whitney be a part of the BERMUDA Whitney clan which has
surfaced? Just a thought.
Wish I could have helped more! Anyone of the Bermuda Whitney researchers have a Rebecca in the 1615-1625 birth range with a possible middle name of Vincent? >>
Hello Guys,
Yes I'm still alive, (Just back from 7 months fighting wildfires in Australia
and on Borneo. Long story for later). I went through my Bermuda Whitneys and have nothing on a Rebecca Whitney. My Whitney line didn't leave Bermuda until Dec. of 1720. So I can say I have not found her in my line but I havn't pieced all the side branches together in Bermuda. If I come across her I'll post.
Bye, Michael Whitney
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:29:38 -0600 From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]>
Subject: WHITNEY: soc.genealogy.surnames To: [email protected]
I stumbled across a webpage this evening which includes an index to the soc.genealogy.surnames newsgroup. Entering the query 'whitney' resulted in 121 hits, some of which looked very interesting. Others may want to take a look at http://searches.rootsweb.com/sgsurnames.html
Tim Doyle / [email protected]
WWW homepage: http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ ftp directory: ftp.doit.com pub/tdoyle
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 00:07:46 -0600 To: Whitney Discussion Group <[email protected]> From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY: Maps
I have placed several maps on my Whitney page at http://www.outburst.com/whitney. The maps were created during the time when Thomas and John Whitney were residing here and as such, I think they give a very good 'feel' of what the area was like at that time.
Tim Doyle [email protected] / [email protected]
WWW homepage: http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ ftp directory: doit.com pub/tdoyle
From: Rsfahrn <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:07:15 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Whitcomb Whitney Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Subj: WHITCOMB WHITNEY Date: 97-12-05 13:20:39 EST From: [email protected] (Jeanne Muse) Sender: [email protected] (Jeanne Muse) To: [email protected] (1ALLWHITNEYS)
Here is a message I received yesterday from some named Farnsworth. Thought everyone would like to be included. ;-) Jeanne
p.259 Lydia Whitney m. l8l3 James Locke, Jr. b. l790
son of James Locke and Susanna (Kimball) Locke
of Thetford, Vt. They moved to Wellsboro Pa
and had twelve children not listed.
Does anyone know who this Lydia Whitney is? My Phinehas-6 Whitney had a daughter named Lydia, born 30 Mar 1788, in Westminster, MA. I know nothing more about her.
Sandy
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 00:10:29 -0800 From: Tom or Donna Whitehead <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: WHITNEY, Lucy & CHAMBERLAIN, John, Maine, ca 1790
Hello, all! My first posting to this list:
Seeking parents/info for Lucy Whitney, b. ca 1790, m. ca 1810 to John Chamberlain. She is tentatively associated with the towns of Buxton or Standish, ME and John C. with the towns of Saco and Brownfield, ME. J. C. died Feb. 2, 1859, Lucy June 18, 1871. All help or hints as to where to look will be greatly appreciated. I have only a long-dead relative's hand-written, undocumented note to go by.
Donna Whitehead Muskegon, MI mailto:[email protected]
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 09:30:27 -0600 To: Whitney Discussion Group <[email protected]> From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY: Was Agnes, wife of Ezra, a ROSS? Cc: [email protected]
It has long been said that Agnes, wife of Ezra-5 WHITNEY (John-4, Isaiah-3, Thomas-2, John-1), was a ROSS or ROSSITER. We have been unable to locate the source of this in
primary source...
Tim Doyle [email protected] / [email protected]
WWW homepage: http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ ftp directory: doit.com pub/tdoyle
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 11:55:24 -0500 (EST) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janice Whitaker) Subject: Re: WHITNEY: Was Agnes, wife of Ezra, a ROSS?
> >To:Tim Doyle <[email protected]> >From:[email protected] (Janice Whitaker) >Subject:Re: WHITNEY: Was Agnes, wife of Ezra, a ROSS? > >>It has long been said that Agnes, wife of Ezra-5 WHITNEY (John-4, Isaiah-3, >>Thomas-2, John-1), was a ROSS or ROSSITER. We have been unable to locate >>the source of this information to verify its accuracy. >> >>On October 12, 1997 I received a letter from Mr. James Kasch (it was sent >>to my Netcom account, which I rarely visit). In the message, he lists the >>children of Lucretia-6 WHITNEY (daughter of Ezra-5 and Agnes) and her >>husband Vial FRANKLIN. One of the children he listed was John Ross >>FRANKLIN, b. 11 Nov 1807. >> >>Although circumstantial, I believe this information does lend some >>credibility to the rumors that Agnes was indeed Agnes ROSS. Now if we could >>just find a primary source... >> >> >> >>-------------------------------------------------- >>Tim Doyle >>[email protected] / [email protected] >> >>WWW homepage: http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ >>ftp directory: doit.com pub/tdoyle > >Tim, It's been awhile since we communicated on this problem. I did get to >pursue the Rosses, which I found up in Rockingham, Vt, near Ezra and >Agnes. I traced them to Sterling, MA and found Simeon Ross s/o William and >Thamar b. 17 Sep. 1779.( In Rockingham he m. Polly Wright of that town, 2 >Apr.1809). That's it , no mention of Agnes in births or marriages. >Perhaps William was her brother. I have put off searching in the southern >NH towns which border the area of Ezra's early life. Cheers, Jan >
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 09:03:29 -0800
From: knights <[email protected]>
To: Rsfahrn <[email protected]> CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: Lydia Whitney References: <[email protected]>
I'd be very interested in knowing more about Lydia. My Whitney line was from various places in Windsor Co., VT, just south of Thetford & Lydia is a name used a few times in what would be the next 2 generations but I don't find this Lydia. I assume this is info from a marriage record?? Was Lydia actually from Thetford, or is that referring to Locke?
Colleen
Rsfahrn wrote: > > Here is a message I received yesterday from some named Farnsworth. Thought > everyone would like to be included. ;-) Jeanne > > p.259 Lydia Whitney m. l8l3 James Locke, Jr. b. l790 > son of James Locke and Susanna (Kimball) Locke > of Thetford, Vt. They moved to Wellsboro Pa > and had twelve children not listed. > >
From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 13:51:49 -0500 (EST) To: <img src="/robertward.gif"> cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Eliphalet Mace again
Dear Robert L. Ward, Allan E. Green, Jon Aston, and Kathleen Jenkins:
First and foremost thank you all for the information sent. It answered a question. Thanks for the author, title, and date of publication of the Pierce genealogy. I request the place of publication and page(s) so that I my complete the foot note.
Second point: My name is Jan (pronounced "yon") Koso. Edith Bookstein is Edith (Leavis) (Koso) Bookstein, my mother. I was there for Thanksgiving when I initially found your web sites. Please discontinue sending e-mails to her.
My link to the Mace family is through my mother. She is the daughter of the late Alan Arthur and Suzanne Elizabeth (Mace) Leavis. Her conjectured line is Walter Vincent-8 (Charles Henry-7, George William-6, 5, Joseph-4, John-3, Joseph-2, Robert-1). I am certain back to George William-5. I am still exploring other leads. This would make Robert Mace the only common ancestor between us. Reuben-2 is his first son (by his first unknown wife) and Joseph-2 is his third son (by Hannah (Gibbins) (Hibbert) Mace).
Robert Mace was a fisherman residing Gosport, Isles of Shoals, New Hampshire.
A town on a group of island just off the Maine and New Hampshire coast. The
town no longer exist.
On and off for about ten years I have been gathering data on the Mace family.
It is my intention to submit for publication, in the New England Historic
Genealogical Register, generations 1-5 some time next year. I intend to combine the journal article, with generations 5-10, and publish a book with Heritage Books
The Whitney section, at present, is as follows:
Eliphalet-5 Mace (Eliphalet-4, Reuben-3,2, Robert-1) was born Billerica, Massachusetts, 9 November 1762 and died prior to 1827. His first wife is unknown. He married (2) Littleton, Massachusetts, 16 March 1785, Lois Whitney. She was born Stow, Massachusetts, 16 January 1766, to Joshua and Mary (Pierce) Whitney.
Children of Eliphalet Mace and first wife:
i. Lois Mace, b 1 August 1783; m 1/5 January 1809, Elijah Averill
Children of Eliphalet Mace and Lois Whitney:
ii. Eliphalet Mace, b Boxborough, Massachusetts, c 1785; m (1) Ann Pierce;
m (2) Olive (Gleason) Philips
iii. John Mace, b Fitchburg, Massachusetts, c 1789; m Fanny Johnson
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 19:14:32 -0600 To: Whitney Discussion Group <[email protected]> From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY: Family of Jonas
The following is an excerpt from an article titled "The Later History and Some Descendants of John Burt/Burke of Sudbury and Groton [Harvard], Massachusetts, Part One" by Joy F. (Hartwell) Peach and Julie Helen Otto which appeared in NEHGS Nexus, Vol. XIII, Nos. 3 & 4 (May-August 1996), p. 115.
[The following Zebudah Davis was the daughter of Rebecka-3 (John-2, Richard-1)
BURT and John DAVIS, Jr.]
Zebudah Davis, b.11 April 1728, d. Harvard 21 Nov.1812 ae. 85 (VRs, p.
319); m.
Harvard 13 Sept.1750 Jonas Whitney, Jr., b. there 2 July 1727, d.23 Dec.1791
[Harvard VRs, p. 316 gives "23 Dec.1781 [the '8' is underlined-TBD] in 65th
yr.," prob. a typographical error], son of Jonas and Margaret (Stratton)
Whitney (VRs, pp.319, 231; F.C. Pierce, The Descendants of John Whitney
[1895,
hereafter Whitney] p.81). Children, b. Harvard (VRs, pp.112-17, 316-18;
Whitney, pp. 81,166-68): Levi Whitney, b.12 June 1751, d. prob. Marlborough,
N.H. ca.1785-86 (E.S. Stearns, History of the Town of Rindge, New
Hampshire...
[1875], p. 757); m. (1) Harvard 21 Sept.1772 VRs, p. 230) Sarah Lawrence of
Bolton, Mass., prob. the Sarah Larrance b. there 11 Oct.1750, d. Rindge,
N.H 19
Oct.1783, dau. of Benjamin and Jane (Russell) Lawrence; (2) Rindge 25 Dec.1783
Hepsibeth Fay, b. Westborough, Mass.1 Oct 1759, d. Leominster, Mass 10 May
1827
ae.68 (or -- May 1826 ae.67) (both dates in VRs, p. 319), dau. of Samuel [Jr.]
and Elizabeth (Hastings) (Cutter) Fay (O.P. Fay, Fay Genealogy [1898],
pp.173-74; VRs, pp.39, 149); of Rindge, Hepsibeth m. (2) Leominster (int.) 24
Oct 1790 Samuel Hale, Jr. (VRs, p. 211). Miriam Whitney, b.8 Aug.1752, d.
Harvard 30 April 1775 ae. 22:8:11. Ephraim Whitney, b.2 April 1754. Jonas
Whitney [3rd], b. 3 March 1756, d. Harvard 26 Nov.1803 ae.47; m. Harvard
(int.)
2 July 1780 (VRs, p. 231) Relief Whihtey [sic in VRs, p. 231; called Relief
"Holt" in Whitney, p. 166; pertraps the RW b. Harvard 13 Nov. 1758, dau. of
Jonathan and Sarah [Holt] Whitney [ibid., p.89]), who d. Harvard 17 April 1818
ae.59 (VRs, p. 318). Lydia Whitney, b.17 Oct. 1757, d. Harvard 1 May 1759
ae.18 mos.,13 days. [Lt.] Salmon Whitney,b.16 Feb.1760, d. Harvard 11 Aug
1844
ae.84 of consumption; m. Hepsabeth Raymond, b. Watertown, Mass. 2 Dec.
1761, d.
Harvard 6 Dec. 1850, dau. of Jonathan and Susannah (White) Raymond (S.E.
Raymond and L.H. Raymond, Raymond Genealogy, vol. 2 [1972], p. 150; Mass.
VRs
50:110). "When the Rev. War broke out he enlisted at once...[first rec.
enlistment 10 July 1776] for 8 months'service at Dorchester Heights; Capt
Sawyer's co., from Lancaster. In 1777 he was in Capt. Joseph Sargent's co.,
from Princeton, in Col. Stearns's regt., for service in RI. In 1780 he was a
lieutenant in the co. of Capt Wm. Scott. He was then 20 years of age, and
5'7"in height" (Whitney, p.166). Joel Whitney, b.15 Oct 1762, d. prob.
Fitzwilliam, N.H. 1 Feb. 1842; m. Rindge, N.H. (where she was part of the
household of Rev. Seth Payson) in 1786 Lydia Willard, who d. Sublette,
Illinois 8 Jan. 1856. Israel Whitney, b. 16 Jan.1767, d. North Hero, Vermont
12 Feb.1842; m. Harvard 30 March 1788 Susannah Gerry, said (Whitney, p.
166) to
be b. there 10 April 1769 (not in VRs), d. North Hero 11 Feb.1848; both bur.
Jerusalem Cem., North Hero (A.L. Stratton, History: Town of North Hero,
Vermont [1976], p.170). Peter Whitney, b.17 Aug. 1772, "went to Maine"
(Whitney, p. 81). Lucy Whitney (not in VRs; no dates in Whitney, p. 81).
Tim Doyle [email protected] / [email protected]
WWW homepage: http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ ftp directory: doit.com pub/tdoyle
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 22:04:16 -0500 From: Michael Lewis/Papillion <[email protected]> Subject: abook Sender: Michael Lewis/Papillion <[email protected]>
Doneva, I am also related to the Whitney's and Keelers. Keelers are from Germany (Kohler) who came to Nova Scotia and changed the name to Keeler.
Mike Lewis
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 10:34:31 +0000 To: [email protected] From: Jeri Williams <[email protected]> Subject: Abel Whitney family
Looking for information on the Abel and Anna Elizabeth Whitney
family of Guilford, Windham, VT. Possible parents are Elijah and Lydia Whitney of Guilford. Abel born about 1780 in ((Putney) Windham, VT) died 7 Aug 1807 in Guilford. Children were: Male-born 1775 in Guilford Male-born 1776 in Guilford Male-born 1778 in Guilford Male-born 1779 in Guilford Male-Abel Whitney born 1790 in Guilford, married Betsey Phillips on 22 Sep 1805 in Guilford Male-Rufus Whitney born 13 Mar 1791 in Guilford Male-Thaddeas, a twin to Rufus Male-Leonard Whitney born 13 Nov 1798 in Guilford Male-Oliver Whitney born 1800 in Guilford married Rachel Sayre, born 1800/10 in N.Y. or Holland, died 3 Feb 1877 in Harlan, NB Male-George Whitney born 29 Oct 1901 in Guilford Female-Roxsiana Whitney born 24 Aug 1805 in Guilford died 31 Dec 1861 in Guilford Female-born in Guilford Sources: "Index of Birth and Death Records 1867-Feb 1, 1905 Guilford, Windham, VT" 1810 US Census for Guilford, Windham, VT First Census of trhe U.S. "Heads of Families Vermont" pg 50
Children of Oliver and Rachel Whitney: Male-Elmer Whitney bor 1815/20 in Mexico, Swago, New York Female-Born 1820/25 in Mexico Female born 1825/30 in Mexico Male-Oliver Whitney born 1833 in Mexico, married H(F)annie Male-Steven Whitney born 18376 in Woodridge, Middlesex, N.J. married Melissa Male-Charles W. Whitney born 1840 Woodridge married Sarah A. Mitchell 9 Feb 1868 in (Shelbyville,Shelby,Ill) Male-Israel S.(Ezra) Whitney born 1843 in N.J. married Hannah Faubin Male-James Valentine Whitney born 10 Jun 1849 in N.J. married Anginora McLeod, 25 Sep 1873 in Shelbyville, died 23 Jun 1917 in Green, Pottawatomie, Kansas Female-Catharine M. Whitney born 9 Feb 1852 in Woodbridge, Middlesex, N.J. married Henry Heckman
Any help would be appreciated! Thanks! Jeri Williams
From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 13:53:41 EST
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: WHITNEY: Family of Jonas
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Dear Tim:
This was a very good find, for which I thank you. I realize that you didn't write it, but the data does raise one or two questions, one of which you might be able to answer and the second is for whichever one of Jan Whitaker and/or Peg Sanborn has the connections to Rindge, NH.
1) The article said that Jonas was born in Harvard 2 Jul 1727. I realize that there were some boundary changes in this area in the early 18th C., but his birth does not appear in the Harvard VR's, but in the Stow VR's.
2) There are some births listed in the Harvard VR's for a Levi and Sarah Whitney between 1812 and 1818, which obviously cannot be the first son, Levi, and his first wife Sarah Lawrence (since she died in 1783 in Rindge). Does someone have a copy of the VR's from Rindge, NH, to supply details about any of the children of this family?
3) The Jonas (IIIrd) that later married Relief Whitney (as shown in the Harvard VR's) does NOT appear in our Whitney extracts from those same VR's, either on the ASCII files that I have sent to so many or as they appear on Robert Ward's Website. (remember, what is there is what we sent him - he's not to be held responsible for other people's omissions). Did we miss the entry for Jonas when the VR's were copied/extracted or was he born elsewhere (which would be of interest, as all the other children listed DO appear in the Harvard VR's)?
More questions may arise as I work on through these data, adding them to my Whitny12 database (Jon - I'll send you my version before you get ready to do
- 13 so we both don't end up adding the same data). In the meantime,
Happy Hunting:-)
Allan
From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 13:53:41 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: WHITNEY: Family of Jonas Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Dear Tim:
This was a very good find, for which I thank you. I realize that you didn't write it, but the data does raise one or two questions, one of which you might be able to answer and the second is for whichever one of Jan Whitaker and/or Peg Sanborn has the connections to Rindge, NH.
1) The article said that Jonas was born in Harvard 2 Jul 1727. I realize that there were some boundary changes in this area in the early 18th C., but his birth does not appear in the Harvard VR's, but in the Stow VR's.
2) There are some births listed in the Harvard VR's for a Levi and Sarah Whitney between 1812 and 1818, which obviously cannot be the first son, Levi, and his first wife Sarah Lawrence (since she died in 1783 in Rindge). Does someone have a copy of the VR's from Rindge, NH, to supply details about any of the children of this family?
3) The Jonas (IIIrd) that later married Relief Whitney (as shown in the Harvard VR's) does NOT appear in our Whitney extracts from those same VR's, either on the ASCII files that I have sent to so many or as they appear on Robert Ward's Website. (remember, what is there is what we sent him - he's not to be held responsible for other people's omissions). Did we miss the entry for Jonas when the VR's were copied/extracted or was he born elsewhere (which would be of interest, as all the other children listed DO appear in the Harvard VR's)?
More questions may arise as I work on through these data, adding them to my Whitny12 database (Jon - I'll send you my version before you get ready to do
- 13 so we both don't end up adding the same data). In the meantime,
Happy Hunting:-)
Allan
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 13:17:11 -0600 To: Whitney Discussion Group <[email protected]> From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY: Family of Phinehas
The following is an excerpt from an article titled "The Later History and Some Descendants of John Burt/Burke of Sudbury and Groton [Harvard], Massachusetts, Part Two" by Joy F. (Hartwell) Peach and Julie Helen Otto which appeared in NEHGS Nexus, Vol. XIII, No. 5 (September - October 1996), p. 164.
[The following Keziah Farnsworth was the daughter of Azuba-3 (John-2, Richard-1) BURK and Phineas Farnsworth.]
Keziah Farnsworth, b. 1 June 1742, d. Norway, Maine 26 June 1827 (Whitney, pp.187-88); m. Harvard 31 Oct.1765 [Corp.] Phinehas Whitney, b. there 3 July 1747, d. Norway 21 May 1830, son of Jonathan and Sarah (Holt) Whitney. Children, bp. Harvard (VRs, pp.114-18): Mary Whitney, bp. 15 May 1766 (the only child in Whitney, pp.187-8). Esther Whitney, bp. 13 Nov. 1768. Sarah Whitney, bp. 8 July 1770. A child, b. ca. 1772, d. Harvard 23 Feb. 1776 ae. about 4. Jonathan Whitney, bp. 21 Aug. 1774. Relief Whitney, bp. 18 June 1780. Oliver Whitney, bp. 4 Nov. 1781.
Tim Doyle [email protected] / [email protected]
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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 13:46:09 -0600 To: Whitney Discussion Group <[email protected]> From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Abel Whitney family Cc: Jeri Williams <[email protected]>
At 10:34 AM 12/7/97 +0000, Jeri Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
>Looking for information on the Abel and Anna Elizabeth Whitney >family of Guilford, Windham, VT. Possible parents are Elijah and Lydia >Whitney of Guilford. Abel born about 1780 in ((Putney) Windham, VT) died 7 >Aug 1807 in Guilford. Children were: ... >Male-Rufus Whitney born 13 Mar 1791 in Guilford
I have the following information on a Rufus Whitney who showed up in Rockingham and have not before identified how he fits in. Perhaps he belongs to your family.
Rufus Whitney was warned out of Rockingham on 19 Jul 1809 in Rockingham, Windham Co, VT (Thomas Bellows Peck, Vital Records of Rockingham, Vermont, from the beginning of the Records to January 1, 1845 and Records of the First Church of Rockingham, Vermont, from its organization, October 27, 1773 to September 25, 1839 (Second; Pittsford, VT: Genealogical Society of Vermont, 1994), p. 117.). People were usually warned out of town within three months of arriving.
He was involved in a land transaction on 8 Aug 1809 in Rockingham, Windham Co, VT: Ezra Whitney Jr of Rockingham in the County of Windham and State of Vermont, Yeoman, in consideration of thirty three dollars ... paid by William Minard Junr of Rockingham ... yeoman ... a certain piece or parcel of land ... situate & lying in Rockingham aforesaid containing four acres off of the southeast corner of the lot which I the said Whitney now lives on ... the above obligation is such that if the said Whitney lawfully and truly paid or causes to be paid the sum of thirty three dollars with interest to the said William Minard ... in good current bills in one year from the date then the above obligation is void and of no effect, otherwise it is to remain in full force & virtue ... eighth day of August [1809]. Signed by Ezra Whitney Junr, witnessed by Rufus Whitney, Horris Whitney, and Erastus Whitney (Rockingham, Vermont records, FHL microfilm 0028759, p. 264).
A Rufus Whitney appeared on the census of 1820 in Athens, Windham Co, VT, (the family consisted of one male 26-45, 1 male 0-10, and 1 female 26-45) (1820 U.S. Census, Athens, p. 108 (stamped)).
As the above Rufus was a witness for Ezra Whitney, and Ezra had moved to New York in 1818, I checked for any Rufus Whitney's in this area of New York in 1820 and found the following. I have no idea if it is the same Rufus as above or not though.
A Rufus Whitney appeared on the census of 1820 in Orcean (Ossian) Township, Allegany Co (now Livingston Co), NY, (the family consisted of 1 male 45 and older, 1 male 26-45, 2 males 16-26, 2 males 0-10, and 1 female 16-26. Three people were engaged in agriculture) (1820 U.S. Census, Orcean [Ossian], Allegany Co [now Livingston Co], NY, p. 90 (47 stamped), National Archives, M33-64.).
Tim Doyle [email protected]
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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 16:14:08 -0600 To: Whitney Discussion Group <[email protected]> From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY: NEHGS Nexus, v. VI Queries
NEHGS Nexus, Vol. VI, Nos. 3 & 4 (June-August 1989), p. 127 [Answers section]:
(A-334) JOHNSON/BLAKE/WHITNEY - James2 JOHNS(T)ON b. in Ireland ca. 1726 [Mass. Archives, 98:110], res. Falmouth, Province of Me., 1760, was son of John1 & Mary (ANDERSON) JOHNSTON of Scotland, family in Lynn, Mass., by 1741, later in Lyndeborough, N.H.., where John d. 26 Dec. 1784, and Mary d. shortly before 31 Jan. 1781 [J.W. Wellman, Descendants of Thomas Wellman (1918), p. 123 et seq.]. James2 m. int. Falmouth 17 July 1754 Hannah4 BLAKE (Jasper3, John2, Jasper1), bp. in Hampton, N.H., 2 June 1728. Their ch. b. in Falmouth & Lyndeborough: James Jr., Jasper, John, David, Mary, Thomas, Joseph, Ephraim. James2 d. in Lyndeborough 22 Mar. 1773 [probate rec., Hillsborough Co., N.H.]. Wid. Hannah returned to Falmouth and m. int. Gorham, Me., 14 Aug. 1773, Amos4 WHITNEY (Nathaniel3, Benjamin2, John1), both res. Gorham 21 Sept. 1798; she d. in New Gloucester, Me., May 1815 at home of son Ephraim. See also Walter Goodwin Davis, The Ancestry of Sarah Johnson (1960), pp. 1-10, and Lewis and McLellan, History of Corham (1903), p. 593, though both contain errors. - Eleanor L. Rue, 14201 Idaho Maryland Rd., Nevada City, CA 95959
NEHGS Nexus, Vol. VI, No. 5 (October 1989), p. 180 [Queries section]:
HARRINGTON/WHITNEY/BROOKS - Seek anc. of Capt. Elisha HARRINGTON, b. in Dorchester, Mass., ca. 1783; m. (1) Rebeckah -----, b. ca. 1788; (2) 24 Aug. 1823 Susannah WHITNEY. Ch. b. in Dorchester: Eliza Ann, Lydia, Samuel Fowler, Lucy Whitney. Most logical gr.-par. Samuel4 & Lucy (WHITNEY) HARRINGTON of Braintree, Mass., but cannot prove. HARRINGTON Family Gazetteer lists Elisha son of Seth & Rebecca (BROOKS) HARRINGTON of Marlboro, N.H., but not documented. - Jean Condito, 1 Roads End, Dennis, MA 02638 (381)
NEHGS Nexus, Vol. VI, No. 6 (December 1989), p. 212 [Queries
section]:
LEWIS/CROWELL/BACON/WHITNEY - ... Also seek anc. of both William BACON (b. N.Y. 1808; d, where? when?) & his w. Jane WHITNEY (b. N.Y. 1818, d. where? when?); m. poss. 1835; res. Ellery, N.Y. (1850 census), then Ottawa, Minn. 10 ch. - Mrs. Sunny Janke. 3818 Morman Lane. Dallas, TX 75244 (518)
NEHGS Nexus, Vol. VI, No. 6 (December 1989), p. 213 [Queries
section]:
PARKER/WHITNEY - Seek anc. of both John & Mary PARKER, m. in Dedham, Mass., 6 Apr. 1709. Their ch., all b. Needham, Mass.: Mary, 17 Jan. 1709/10; James, 15 May 1711; Lydia, 26 Dec. 1714; John; 22 Dec. 1717; Mehitable, 12 Mar. 1718/19; Jacob, 28 Oct. 1720; Josiah; 25 Dec. 1721; Jeremiah, 3 Nov. 1724; Ruth, 10 Aug. 1726; William, 14 Oct. 1727; Katharine, 10 Nov. 1728; Thankful, 22 Jul. 1731. Mehitable m. at First Church, Needham, 17 Nov. 1743 David5 WHITNEY. What happened to this fam.? Seek any/all dates, places, of per. & ch. - Chuckie Blaney, 11 Hollis St., Sherborn, MA 01770-1254 (528)
Tim Doyle http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ [email protected] ftp://ftp.doit.com/pub/tdoyle/
From: Jroots <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:15:39 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Lydia Whitney Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Hi, I'm getting to my mail a little late, but I do have some information on Lydia WHITNEY, who m. James LOCKE. Lydia was b. 9/6/1793, d. 1887 in Wellsboro. James was b. 5/18.1790 of Thetford, they were m. 5/18/1813. James d. 1874 Wellsboro. They had Lydia Whitney LOCKE (8/25/1814-12/22/1843), of Wellsboro, m. Phianeas VAN HORN, James Kimball LOCKE (3/17/1816-7/28/1820), Harriet LOCKE (8/27/1818) m. 5/12/1836 Sylvester KELLEY, Daniel LOCKE (9/10/1820-9/2/1897) m. 5/20/1845 Schenevus, NY Clarissa WRIGHT (d. in Lake Geneva, Walworth, Wisconsin), Samuel LOCKE (2/20/1823-10/16/1824), Perrin LOCKE (7/4/1825-1852), buried in Wellsboro Cemtery, Merrill LOCKE (10/11/1827-1885), buried Wellsboro Cemetery, Susan M. LOCKE (8/1/1829), Mary E. LOCKE (11/21/1831-1904), buried Wellsboro Cemetery, Charles Berton LOCKE(9/12/1833-1835), Nancy LOCKE (1/12/1838) and Agnes B. LOCKE (12/3/1839).
I do not have any more information on Lydia.
Regards,
Jerry Harrison http://members.aol.com/jroots [email protected] Albuquerque, NM
From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:59:07 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: WHITNEY: NEHGS Nexus, v. VI Queries Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Dear WRG:
The data in the last Query in Tim's post looks very familiar to me. Who among you saved the Whitney/Parker stuff I posted last summer that I found at the Sutro Library in San Francisco? I seem to remember that there was something in it about Mehitabel Parker and David Whitney. I hate to admit that I don't have it at hand (in electronic form), I rarely save my own postings. If no one can come up with it easily, I'll dig out the paper on it, but anyone who can look down the line through my monitor at the piles of papers on every surface in this room would know it might take quite some time to find it.
Happy Hunting over Happy Holidays! (Finals start tomorrow, last one on Wednesday, grades due in by Friday - then fun time for a few weeks.)
Allan
From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:59:07 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: WHITNEY: NEHGS Nexus, v. VI Queries Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Dear WRG:
The data in the last Query in Tim's post looks very familiar to me. Who among you saved the Whitney/Parker stuff I posted last summer that I found at the Sutro Library in San Francisco? I seem to remember that there was something in it about Mehitabel Parker and David Whitney. I hate to admit that I don't have it at hand (in electronic form), I rarely save my own postings. If no one can come up with it easily, I'll dig out the paper on it, but anyone who can look down the line through my monitor at the piles of papers on every surface in this room would know it might take quite some time to find it.
Happy Hunting over Happy Holidays! (Finals start tomorrow, last one on Wednesday, grades due in by Friday - then fun time for a few weeks.)
Allan
From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 00:17:38 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Fwd: Genealogy Info
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Dear WRG:
The news in the attached post is most distressing. Do we have any WRG members who live in Illinois who can check this out for us and report on the extent to which it applies to genealogical researchers. One paragraph says "public records", which would be literally anything in the court house - Probate, Land Records, Guardianship, etc, much less the matter of Vital Records like Birth, Death and Marriage. Another paragraph refers to "information relating to the identity or whereabouts of any person." This does not say, but might be interpreted to imply "living person", as the dead do have whereabouts that should be outside the purview of the "State".
If this indeed does actually restrict research, then I think we need to find ways to mount a major campaign to get the law repealed. I have a number of friends in the academic community in Illinois, and I can't believe that one of them has not alerted me to this if it actually does apply.
Hope we get a report soon.
Allan
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To: [email protected] Subject: Genealogy Info From: [email protected] (Donna R Lewis) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 15:59:51 EST
Hi Tracey,
Sorry to be off subject (humour), but this is Genealogy related.
From: The Florida Genealogist, Vol XX, #3, Summer 1997
The Illinois state legislature recently passed an act restricting access to public records only to those with a Private Investigators's license. The current interpretation means that a genealogist, regardless of where they reside or work, must have a Private Investigator's license before requesting birth, marriage, death, obituary or estate records.
A private investigator is defined as any person, who for a fee or other valuable consideration, engages in the business of obtaining information relating to the identity or whereabouts of any person. Anyone obtaining information for genealogical purposes is not exempt from the regulation.
The Illinois government web site is:
http://www.mcfb.org/ilcorn/govt/htm
happy hunting Donna
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 17:20:06 -0700 From: Nancy Carter <[email protected]> Organization: To-Na-Pa Ltd. To: [email protected] Subject: Whitney Photo
While going through a box of odds and ends that belonged to my great aunt, I found (on the back of a poem she had cut out) a photo of Mrs. Almeric Hugh Paget (nee Whitney), from a photograph by Mendelssohn, New York. The very top of her head is cut off but she was a beautiful lady. My scanner has a serious problem of unknown origin so I cannot send it that way. If this rings a bell with anyone, let me know.
-- Nancy in Williams, AZ Genealogy= Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living! http://www.azaccess.com/~nmcarter
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 01:41:51
To: Nancy Carter <[email protected]>, [email protected]
From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif">
Subject: Re: Whitney Photo
Nancy,
At 05:20 PM 12/8/97 -0700, you wrote: >While going through a box of odds and ends that belonged to my >great aunt, I found (on the back of a poem she had cut out) a photo >of Mrs. Almeric Hugh Paget (nee Whitney), from a photograph by >Mendelssohn, New York. The very top of her head is cut off but >she was a beautiful lady. >My scanner has a serious problem of unknown origin so I cannot >send it that way. If this rings a bell with anyone, let me know.
This was Pauline Payne-10 WHITNEY, b. 21 Mar 1874, New York, NY, dau. of William Collins-9 and (1)Flora (PAYNE) WHITNEY (James Scollay-8, Steven-7, Josiah-6 Jr., [General] Josiah-5, Richard-4, Richard-3, Richard-2, John-1). See <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/famous.html#WilliamC> for her father and his family, who were quite rich, and politically active.
Regards,
Robert
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:54:03 -0500 From: Laurie Taub <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] Subject: SIMPSON
Hello! I am researching the family name of SIMPSON. Obediah Simpson (b. 1732 in North Carolina) m. Mary Taylor - or Mary Lord. The first name of Jeremiah SIMPSON runs very strong in our family. Our first Jeremiah's mother was Mary Taylor - or Mary Lord. The second Jeremiah's mother was Jerainy Wees. Could you please tell me if this information links with your family? Looking forward to your response.
Laurie
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 19:36:28 +0000 From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]> Organization: AT&T To: WRG <[email protected]> Subject: Buffalo NY Library Collection
I received a small packet today from the Buffalo Public Library in Buffalo NY. I have been looking into one of our Whitney relatives who was doing genealogy in 1951. I was hoping to find copies of his work on file in that library. I had no luck with that.
But they sent to me a photocopy listing of all the Whitney related material that they are holding in their genealogy collection. I am going to submit it to the group in case anyone is interested. I don't know what there may be of value, nor am I able to look at it myself. Its a very long drive from Seattle WA to Buffalo NY. If anyone is in that area they might want to have a look.
I will leave off three of the titles because they are already listed on Robert Ward's bibliography page. (Pierce, Phoenix, Rice)
- 1
Whitney Family CS69 G3 Genealogy. (Buffalo, New York, 1925)
119p.
Typewritten (carbon copy)
pages partly numbered
- 2
Whitney Family
- CS71
W62W5 Willoughby, Raymond Royece 1896
The American ancestry of Imogene Whitney...
No imprint, 1936?
20 numb...
Mimeographed.
- 3
Whitney Family no call letters
Descendants of Thomas of Watertown, Mass.
For information on this line see
Mr. Harry F. Johnston
88 Plymouth Ave.
Buffalo, N.Y.
- 4
Whitney Family CS71 B2266B3 In...The Bancker or Banker families index
CS71 R234C In...Rathbone genealogy, p. 818
CS71 S898 In...Strange genealogy, p. 156
CS71 C875C In...Cowles genealogy, see index
CS71 R881R8 In..Biog. sketch of Samuel Rowell, see index
CS71 S7975S In...Staats genealogy, p. 25
no call In - Ency. of Amer. Biog. v.45, p.181
no call In - Utah Gen. and HIst. Mag. v.3, p. 115
- 5
Whitney Family. *With coat of arms.
no call In - *Americana v.16, p.402; v.23, p.377; v.27, p.210;
216
CS71 S7975S In - *Staats genealogy, p. 25
- F129
B8N3 In - Original family records. see index (MSG)
- F127
J4H6 In - History of Jefferson Co., NY, p. 486
No call In - Americana v. 28, p.141 (Mass.)
No call In -American Genealogist, v. 10, p. 84 (Watertown, Mass)
CS71 S558B6 In - The Micahel Shoemaker Fami. p. 580 (Pennsylvania)
no call In - N.E. Hist & Gen Reg. v.90, p. 393
no call In - Utah Gen. Mag. v.28, p. 68
F44 J3A25 In - History of Jaffrey, NH v.2, p.855
- 6
Whitney Family
no call In - Detroit Soc. for Gen. Research v.4, p.79,111
no call World Almanac for 1914, p. 631, a three generation
chart of descendants of William Collins Whitney
If anyone thinks that any of these might be "undiscovered" information, I could email the genealogist at the library in Buffalo who supplied this to me.
-- Always looking, Shawn Boone Whitney [email protected]
Researching Ger-Rus surnames: KNODEL,KREITER,RIEKER
Also: BOONE, ELDER, ELLIS, EWING, GAMBLE, GODLEY, HUGGINS, JACKSON, KINNE, MANNING, OHMER, SMALL, STONE, TAYLOR, TOWER, WHITNEY, YOUNGS and others
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 19:48:10 +0000 From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]> Organization: AT&T To: WRG <[email protected]> Subject: Maine vs. Mass
Dear WRG, I am hoping that someone might be able to help me with something. I posted earlier tonight regarding some information from the library in Buffalo. Along with the information provided are 3 handwritten sheets listing five generations of our Whitneys.
Specifically they are
John 1 Benjamin 2 Nathaniel 3 Nathaniel 4 Moses 5
The information listed is not new or interesting in itself. I believe that someone was copying from Pierce. What caught my eye however is the connection to the Whitneys in Maine. The Nathaniel 3 above is shown to be born in York, Maine. My line of Whitneys also comes down from Benjamin 2. If I skip down my line 3 generations (Jonathan 3, Jonathan 4, Jonathan 5) I see that my Capt Jonathan and wife Esther Parkhurst came to NY from Mass in 1798.
So here is the question. I see that Benjamin 2 must have traveled and settled up in Maine. Were all of his children born there? Since John-1 and Benjamin-2 were in Mass and then 3 generations later they were in Mass.....I have always assumed they never left Mass. Obviously I was wrong. The earliest record that I have seen on Robt Ward's page is for Jonathan 4 and wife Lydia Jones in Mass.
This could explain that. Perhaps I should be looking in the Maine VRs. Has anyone dealt with this situation before?
So my que -- Always looking, Shawn Boone Whitney [email protected]
Researching Ger-Rus surnames: KNODEL,KREITER,RIEKER
Also: BOONE, ELDER, ELLIS, EWING, GAMBLE, GODLEY, HUGGINS, JACKSON, KINNE, MANNING, OHMER, SMALL, STONE, TAYLOR, TOWER, WHITNEY, YOUNGS and others
From: WhitneyMR <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 02:28:56 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Rootsweb Search Engine Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Hi Guys,
We have been given the green light to announce the address for the brand new search engine for all the discussion lists that have been archived. The location is: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl
This will let you search all of the Rootsweb mailing lists by subject.
Bye, Michael Whitney
To: [email protected] From: "Dawn Curtis" <[email protected]>
Subject: Eliza Whitney,b 22 Feb 1800 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 97 23:31:53 PST
According to a Whitney book I read," Eliza Whitney,b at Pawling, NY, 22 Feb 1800, daughter of Daniel and Lydia (Newbury)Whitney, married at Enfield, NY, 28 Dec 1820, James Hervey Halliday, a farmer, son of William and Ann (Hulett) Halliday, of Bethlehem, in Cornwall, NY., where he was born 2 Dec 1800. They settled in Enfield; and moved, about 1825, to Bonny Hill, in Cameron, now Thurston, NY, where she died, 12 Apr 1841. He was living there in March 1875, with a second wife."
Eliza (Whitney) and James Hervey (Harvey) Halliday were my great, great, great grandparents. I have further information on their descendants.
Sincerely, Dawn Curtis [email protected]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 97 21:16:10 -0800 From: John Ward <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Addie Jane Wildman
I see from GENMATCH that we are both interested in this lady. Perhaps we can get together.
John Ward
From: Wcressey <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 05:29:44 EST To: [email protected] Subject: GEDCOM REQUEST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
I would like to have a copy of the gedcom file. I use an IBM, Widows 95, Family Tree Maker.
Thanks
Bill Cressey
From: [email protected] (MS MARTI S DART) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:07:43, -0500 To: [email protected] Subject: WARNERs in CT/MA
Rubie H. WARNER, b 14 Jul 1798, Wilbraham, MA, died in the Sandwich Islands in 1885 (I think). She md Lewis DART, 30 Aug 1823. Lewis was the son of Levi DART and Elizabeth UTLEY of Springfield, MA.
Any connections with anyone?
Marti Dart
From: "Doneva Shepard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Mormon FHC & Elizabeth Whitney Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:44:25 -0800
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computer and realize they have Elizabeth Whitney b. 1683 to 1685, dau of John Whitney and Elizabeth Smith, as being "of Dorchester,,,England. If her father was born in Southold, Suffolk, NY, how can she have been "of
Dorchester,,,England?ascendency chart from (1.) John Whitney, b. 20 Jan 1645 (2) Henry, b. 4 May 1619 (wife unknown) (3.) Thomas, abt 1594 m. Mary Roach (4.) Thomas m. Jane Warne dau Thomas Warne (5.) George, m. Penelope Pardoe (6.) Nicholas m. Mary (7.) John b @1520 (wife unknown) (8.) Robert m. Marry
Parry.From: MRJ79 <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 22:44:51 EST To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: Maine vs. Mass Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Hello Shawn;
The following is from Pierce on Benjamin 2:
The Massachusetts Whitneys early in the seventeen century began to spread toward the east, and many of the older towns in Maine show in records of churches or private families, in addition to the town clerk's records, the prominent part played by them. The published histories of many towns, as Brunswick, Gorham, Gray, Harrison, Castine and many others, contain lists of town officers and other records showing the interest the family of that day took in town and church affairs.
The early records of York, Me., were destroyed by Indians in the memorable massacure of 1692, and there are now no records of the ancient town, which was originally called Agamenticus, from a mountain in the northern part of town. In 1652 the inhabitants signed articles of submission to Massachusetts and at that time there were no persons by the name of Whitney residing there.
The first record I can find of Benjamin in Maine is in 1662-6-8 he witnessed at York an agreement of John Doves. He was at Cocheco, Me. near Dover, in 1667-8. April 13, 1674 The selectmen of York laid out 10 acres of upland to Benjamin. His father desired that he return to Watertown and settle with him on the homestead during his lifetime, promising him his house and barn and all his land about home if Benjamin would do so. This property consisted of about 17 acres, bonded by the land of John Sherman William Bond and Martin Underwood, which promise John confirmed by deed April 5, 1670. Benjamin and Jane, March 9, 1671, with the consent of their father (John), sold to his brother Joshua for L40 his right in his fathers estate ("the Mansion house of John Whitney") obtained as above stated. As will be seen by this Benjamin did not return to Watertown, but continued to reside in York.
In 1685 Benjamin and Jane Whitney, of York, sell to Jonathan Saywood for L10 and 14s. "a certain tract and parcel of land which I have improved, possessed and have builded a small tenant upon planted and lived upon these several years," which was granted by the town of York in 1680, and ten other acres granted by the town of York in 1674, as stated above. It is probable that his wife died about this time and soon after, leaving his young children with relatives of his wife, returned to Watertown, and soon located in Sherborn, near the Natick town line. He married his second wife in Marlboro in 1695 and lived on land belonging Harvard college, which he leased to Gov. Danford. In 1718 he received a legacy of 10s per annum from his nephew, Benjamin, son of his brother Jonathan. He died in 1723; res York and Cocheco, Me., and Sherborn, Mass.
The listing of children shows Mark born about 1700 in Framingham Mass, and
Issac born, probably in Framingham.
Keep in touch
Jon Aston
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:02:33 -0500 From: "Debbie J. Stlelmach" <[email protected]> Subject: WARNERs in CT/MA Sender: "Debbie J. Stlelmach" <[email protected]> To: "INTERNET:[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>Sandwich Islands in 1885<
Do you mean Sandwich Islands as in Hawaii? I live on Oahu. I've haven't done any research at the library or archives in recent months but I can check to see what types of records are available. This would probably be sometime after the holidays.
Debbie looking to connect my Charles Whitney b 1823 MA, d 1902 Langford, Erie Co, NY
From: "Doneva Shepard" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]> Subject: Early New England Whitney's Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 02:27:18 -0800
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- Benjamin, 1643-1723 m. (1st wife) Jane _____ ??-1690 Watertown
- Benjamin, 1660-1736 m. Mar ?? 1687 (1st wife) Abigail Hager, Watertown
- Benjamin, 1643-1723 m. Apr 13, 1696 (2nd w.) Mary Poor (Poore) Marlboro
- Benjamin, ??-1718 m. Oct 24, 1700 Mercy Travis (Travers)Sherborn, Watertown
- Eleazer, 1672 m. Anna_____ (can't read photocopy, readable on microfilm though)
- Eleazer, ??-1735 m Aug 11, 1687 Dorothy Rosse (Ross) ??-1731 Watertown
- Henry, Whitney 1620-1673 m. 1644 __?__ Southold, LI
- Henry, Whitney ??-1673 m. 1660 Sarah Ketchum (w.Edward) Southold
- Isaiah, 1671-1712 m.1698/1695?Sarah (Woodward) Eddy 1673-1915 Cambridge
- John, 1592-1673 m1619 Eleanor____ 1659 (lots of "source" information on this one)
- John, 1621-1692 m 1643 Ruth Reynolds
- John, -1673 m. Sept 29, 1659 Judah (Judith) Clement ?? -1673
- John, 1643-1727 m abt 1669 Elizabeth Harris 1644 - ?? Roxbury
- John, 1649-1720 Norwalk m. 17 Mar 1679/5 Elizabeth Smith ??-1741, Norwalk
- John, 1662-?? Sherborn m.(1st w.) Apr 10, 1688 Mary Hapgood 1667-?? Watertown/Sherborn
- John, " " " " " " m.(2nd w) 1693 Sarah Havens 1655-1718 Sherborn/Watertown
- Jonathan, 1634-1702/3 m. Oct 30, 1656 Lydia Jones, Watertown
- Jonathan, 1658-1735 m.1693 Sarah Hapgood 1672, Sherborn/Watertown
- Joseph, ("Widney" in Ct. records) m. Nov 20, 1664 Mary Buckmaster, Charlestown
- Joseph, 1652-1702 m. Jan 24, 1674 Martha Beech (Beach) c.1650, Watertown
- Joshua, 1635-1719 m (1st) 1666 Lydia _____ Groton
- " " , " " m (2nd) aft Oct 10, 1668 Mary ___ ??-Mar 17, 1672
- " " , " " m.(3rd) last of Sep 1672, Abigail Tarbell, Watertown
- Joshua, 1666-?? m. (1st w) Mary _____ Plainfield
- Josiah, ??-1718 m. 1696/1698? Abigail _____ ??-1718 Huntham
- Moses, 1655-?? Stow m. 30 Sep 1686 Sarah Knight ??1755, Stow
- Nathanial, 1646-1733 m. Mar 12, 1673 Sarah Hagar 1661-1746 Watertown
- Nathanial, m. 7 Nov 1695 Mercy (Mary?) Robinson, Watertown
- Richard, ?1624-?? m. 1650? Martha Coldam, Watertown
- Richard, 1661-1723 m. 1694 Elizabeth Sawtelle 1668-1723
- Samuel, 1648-1730 m. 16 Feb1683/4 Mary Bemis 1644-?? Watertown
- Thomas, ??-1719 m. 11 Jan1654/5 Mary Kedell (Kettle, Kedall?)
- Thomas, 1656-??m. Jan 29 1678/9 Elizabeth Lawrence 1659-?? Watertown/Stow
- William, 1678 m.(1st) Mar 1700, Lydia Perham1673-1716 Chelmsford, Watertown
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:00:12 -0500 To: [email protected] From: Walt Newcomb <[email protected]> Subject: Benjamin WHITNEY - Jerusha BROCKWAY
Benjamin WHITNEY married Jerusha BROCKWAY about 1765, probably in the Cheshire County, New Hampshire - Windham County, Vermont region.
They had Parnal WHITNEY (female) on 13 Jan 1766 at Keene, Cheshire County, New Hampshire.
Benjamin died 20 Nov 1822 at Westminster, Windham County, Vermont and is buried in the Old Cemetery at Westminster.
I seek Benjamin's ancestors and information on additional children he and Jerusha may have had. Believe there was, at least Abigail (b. c 1768) and Anna (b. c. 1770)
Thanks/
Walt Newcomb Harrisburg, Pennsylvania [email protected] [email protected] 1625 Berkshire Lane Harrisburg, Pennsylvania 17111-6889251
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 15:05:27 +0000 To: [email protected] From: Edward Sinker <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Maine vs. Mass
Jon Aston wrote:
>The following is from Pierce on Benjamin 2:......<snip>
Jon,
Thank you for copying this to the list. I descend from Benjamin and did not have this information.
Edward Coates Sinker - email: [email protected] Church Lea - GOONS: #2820 Bosbury - Shropshire Family History Society: #3473 Herefordshire HR8 1PX U. K.
From: Babseeb <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:44:19 EST To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: Early New England Whitney's Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Can someone tell me how to read a Mime Version message on Aol. A sentence or 2 appears and then it all goes black except for the Header which is white strips on black.
Thank you Barbara Black
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 00:31:23 -0500 (EST) From: "John E. Fischer" <[email protected]> To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: WRG list Archive???
Is this list archived and is there a FAQ area? If archived how do we search the archive?
John E Fischer [email protected] Cincinnati Ohio USA
From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 01:32:03 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Mormon FHC & Elizabeth Whitney Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Doneva:
If you were using Ancestral File, you have to know that what is in there is what has been sent in by all kinds of people, and that the LDS Church does not have the resources to check this data before they add it to the files. The ancestry for Henry is right out of the Phoenix book, and represents the results of the De Salis Fraud that I mentioned several weeks ago. There is a Thomas Whitney m. to Mary Roach in Berkhampstead St. Mary Parish - I've seen the records, but they had three children, born in the 16teens, and none of them was Henry.
I wouldn't worry about using the Ancestral File to settle burning questions about which there is any doubt. I do use it myself, all of the time, to point the way to places to look for confirmation or other, better, record sources. Ofttimes I find what I am looking for confirmed in another, more reliable kind of record. Almost as often I find that what is there is obviously arrant nonsense to anyone who has done any serious research on the topic. Some of the people who submitted material for Ancestral File back a few years were incredibly sloppy about little things like evidence, source citing, and even simple things like spelling something correctly (meaning, as it was in the original record). This same kind of thing is the origin of the data attached to John-1 Whitney's Elinor ____, who is shown in that source as having been born in St. Margaret Parish, Warwick. There is no St. Margaret Parish anywhere in the entirety of Warwickshire. St. Margaret WESTMINSTER is where her husband was christened in 1592.
There are many other good records at the FHC, particularly in microfilmed form. Ask the volunteer for assistance in locating the source of some to- this-point missing data. They will best know how to help you in their library.
Hope this helps to explain this problem.
Allan
From: "Harman Clark" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Anne Whitney/Eben. Cutler Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 09:49:46 -0500
I have "theory" that Anne and Ebenezer had another child (before their marriage), namely Lois Cutler, who subsequently married Joseph Herrick. She and her children are named in will of Shadrach Whitney, Anne's brother, and there are other factors involved. I would be happy to send you the data I have and my tentative conclusions. Harman Clark. Box 311, Sheffield, VT 05866-0311
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:51:27 To: "Doneva Shepard" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Early New England Whitney's
At 02:27 AM 12/13/97 -0800, Doneva Shepard wrote: >"Early New England marriages" photocopied at Mormon FHC >All Whitney's > >1.. Benjamin, 1643-1723 m. (1st wife) Jane _____ ??-1690 Watertown > 2.. Benjamin, 1660-1736 m. Mar ?? 1687 (1st wife) Abigail Hager, Watertown > 3.. Benjamin, 1643-1723 m. Apr 13, 1696 (2nd w.) Mary Poor (Poore) Marlboro > 4.. Benjamin, ??-1718 m. Oct 24, 1700 Mercy Travis (Travers)Sherborn, Watertown > 5.. Eleazer, 1672 m. Anna_____ (can't read photocopy, readable on microfilm though) > 6.. Eleazer, ??-1735 m Aug 11, 1687 Dorothy Rosse (Ross) ??-1731 Watertown > 7.. Henry, Whitney 1620-1673 m. 1644 __?__ Southold, LI > 8.. Henry, Whitney ??-1673 m. 1660 Sarah Ketchum (w.Edward) Southold > 9.. Isaiah, 1671-1712 m.1698/1695?Sarah (Woodward) Eddy 1673-1915 Cambridge > 10.. John, 1592-1673 m1619 Eleanor____ 1659 (lots of "source" information on this one) > 11.. John, 1621-1692 m 1643 Ruth Reynolds > 12.. John, -1673 m. Sept 29, 1659 Judah (Judith) Clement ?? -1673 > 13.. John, 1643-1727 m abt 1669 Elizabeth Harris 1644 - ?? Roxbury > 14.. John, 1649-1720 Norwalk m. 17 Mar 1679/5 Elizabeth Smith ??-1741, Norwalk > 15.. John, 1662-?? Sherborn m.(1st w.) Apr 10, 1688 Mary Hapgood 1667-?? Watertown/Sherborn > 16.. John, " " " " " " m.(2nd w) 1693 Sarah Havens 1655-1718 Sherborn/Watertown > 17.. Jonathan, 1634-1702/3 m. Oct 30, 1656 Lydia Jones, Watertown > 18.. Jonathan, 1658-1735 m.1693 Sarah Hapgood 1672, Sherborn/Watertown > 19.. Joseph, ("Widney" in Ct. records) m. Nov 20, 1664 Mary Buckmaster, Charlestown > 20.. Joseph, 1652-1702 m. Jan 24, 1674 Martha Beech (Beach) c.1650, Watertown > 21.. Joshua, 1635-1719 m (1st) 1666 Lydia _____ Groton > 22.. " " , " " m (2nd) aft Oct 10, 1668 Mary ___ ??-Mar 17, 1672 > 23.. " " , " " m.(3rd) last of Sep 1672, Abigail Tarbell, Watertown > 24.. Joshua, 1666-?? m. (1st w) Mary _____ Plainfield > 25.. Josiah, ??-1718 m. 1696/1698? Abigail _____ ??-1718 Huntham > 26.. Moses, 1655-?? Stow m. 30 Sep 1686 Sarah Knight ??1755, Stow > 27.. Nathanial, 1646-1733 m. Mar 12, 1673 Sarah Hagar 1661-1746 Watertown > 28.. Nathanial, m. 7 Nov 1695 Mercy (Mary?) Robinson, Watertown > 29.. Richard, ?1624-?? m. 1650? Martha Coldam, Watertown > 30.. Richard, 1661-1723 m. 1694 Elizabeth Sawtelle 1668-1723 > 31.. Samuel, 1648-1730 m. 16 Feb1683/4 Mary Bemis 1644-?? Watertown > 32.. Thomas, ??-1719 m. 11 Jan1654/5 Mary Kedell (Kettle, Kedall?) > 33.. Thomas, 1656-??m. Jan 29 1678/9 Elizabeth Lawrence 1659-?? Watertown/Stow > 34.. William, 1678 m.(1st) Mar 1700, Lydia Perham1673-1716 Chelmsford, Watertown > There is much more information on the microfilm but it is hard to read but this will let you know >if "your" ancestor is on the film. > >Doneva Shepard (Whitney-Keeler descendant) > > > >Attachment Converted: "C:\EUDORA\ATTACH\EarlyNew.htm"
See the following URL:
http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/nemarr16.html
Regards,
Robert
Robert L. Ward
<img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 09:51:38 -0500 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: GEDCOM REQUEST Sender: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> To: [email protected]
>>Sender: [email protected] Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) by arl-img-9.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) with ESMTP id FAA15190; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 05:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA18887; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:21:09 -0800 (PST) <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 05:29:44 EST To: [email protected] Subject: GEDCOM REQUEST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]>
I would like to have a copy of the gedcom file. I use an IBM, Widows 95, Family Tree Maker.
Thanks
Bill Cressey
<<
Bill and all others wanting GEDCOM:
For John & Elinor of Watertown - e-mail Jon Aston personally at [email protected]
For Henry of Long Island & Connecticut - e-mail me, Jeanne Muse, personally at [email protected]
- -) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse
Sent on: 12/13/97
Always looking for information on the surnames: WHITNEY, GOLDSMITH, MUSE, REED
See my Roots Home Page at this URL: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jwmuse/roots.htm
From: WhitneyMR <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:32:43 EST To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: WRG list Archive??? Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
In a message dated 12/14/97 05:34:43 MST, [email protected] writes:
<< Is this list archived and is there a FAQ area? If archived how do we search
the archive? >>
The last time I checked, about two days ago, the Whitney list had not been archived yet. But it should be happening soon. The easiest way to check is go to http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and ask for Whitney as the list. It will let you check from there for an archive. Even if it's not archived yet you can search the mail to the list by keyword. For example I typed in Kentucky and got all of the mail to the list that had the word Kentucky in it.
Bye, Michael Whitney
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 09:42:29 -0800 From: Craig Beeman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: WHITNEY Data base correction
Please correct the spelling for the entry of my grandfather's given name to George Bingham Craig, b. 1895 rather than as it appears in the WHITNEY Data base (as cited below)
Geroge Bingham Craig
Sex: M
Born: 1895
Died: 1975
Father: George Noah Craig, b. 1866
Mother: Ida Adelia Brooks, b. 1869
Family 1 Ada Bell Dory, b. 1901
Thank you!
TTYL
Craig
From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:23:37 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Anne Whitney/Eben. Cutler Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
In a message dated 97-12-14 17:08:08 EST, you write:
>Subj: Anne Whitney/Eben. Cutler >Date: 97-12-14 17:08:08 EST >From: [email protected] (Harman Clark) >Reply-to: [email protected] >To: [email protected] > >I have "theory" that Anne and Ebenezer had another child (before their >marriage), namely Lois Cutler, who subsequently married Joseph Herrick. >She and her children are named in will of Shadrach Whitney, Anne's brother, >and there are other factors involved. I would be happy to send you the >data I have and my tentative conclusions. Harman Clark. Box 311, >Sheffield, VT 05866-0311
Dear Mr. Clark:
This must be Anna Whitney, d. of Jonathan and Sarah (Hapgood) Whitney, b. 24 May 1702, Watertown, MA (Watertown VR); m. 3 Mar 1723/24 in Weston, MA (Weston VR) to Ebenezer Cutler. I do not have the full Watertown VR's, just the Whitney extracts, but there is no mention of any child, Lois born to an unmarried Anna Whitney prior to her date of marriage in Weston. The first child of their marriage shown in our database is Elisha, born 30 April 1725, which date is essentially fourteen months after the date of the marriage. I see the mention of Lois (no surname given), wife of Joseph Herrick, in the notes on the will of Shadrach Whitney, Anna's brother (as they are to be found on Robert Ward's webpage under #187, Shadrach Whitney in the 5 generations of the descendants of John and Elinor Whitney).
You do not mention a birth date for this Lois Cutler. Since Ebenezer Cutler was born in July of 1700, and thus would have been almost 24 years old at the time of his marriage to Anna, is there any possibility that he might have had an earlier wife who may have died at the time of or shortly after the birth of this Lois Cutler? I would be most interested in the reasons that you have come to the conclusion that this Lois Cutler is a child of Ebenezer and Anna that was born prior to their marriage.
I will be most interested to hear further from you about your research into this matter.
Sincerely,
Allan E. Green
From: WhitneyMR <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:09:03 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Re: GEDCOM REQUEST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
In a message dated 12/14/97 15:09:24 PM Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
<< Bill and all others wanting GEDCOM:
For John & Elinor of Watertown - e-mail Jon Aston personally at [email protected]
For Henry of Long Island & Connecticut - e-mail me, Jeanne Muse, personally at [email protected] >>
And for the Samuel and the "Southern Whitney's" ask Michael Whitney at [email protected]
Bye, Michael Whitney
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:24:29 -0500 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Anne Whitney/Eben. Cutler Sender: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> To: [email protected]
Allan & all: I have included Harman Clark's "article" on Lois Cutler on my Files Download page on the internet. Download it at the following address:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jwmuse/files.htm
- -) Jeanne
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:40:35 -0500 From: "Vickie (Elam) White" <[email protected]> Subject: Your Files Download Page Sender: "Vickie (Elam) White" <[email protected]> To: "Jeanne (Whitney) Muse" <[email protected]> Cc: WHITNEY-List <[email protected]>
Jeanne,
I finally got to look at your Files Download page. It looks good. But I'd like to make a suggestion, hoping that you won't take offense since none is intended. The file on Nathaniel WOODS and his 4 wives contains 1996 threads. May I suggest that you also include the October & November 1997 messages that were posted to the group? These more recent messages contain some documentation that doesn't show up in the 1996 ones. Robert Ward has included my summary of the problem of Alice (WHITNEY?) WOODS on his page, but he said I still have complete control over the content, so if you want to post it to your page too, that's fine with me.
Let me know if you don't have copies of these 1997 messages and I'll forward them to you.
Vickie (Elam) White [email protected]
From: Jroots <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:22:42 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Have you written a genealogy book? Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Hi, I'm in the process of building a new web page and would like to highlight new genealogical books focusing on specific families or local history. Have you written such a book? I'd enjoy putting up a short review on the page.
The address is http://members.aol.com/jroots
Regards,
Jerry Harrison [email protected] Albuquerque, NM
From: "Doneva Shepard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Another Keeler/Whitney Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:43:23 -0800
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or Mary WHITNEYbsp;
who died in 1750 whereupon hebsp;
who died prob 1757Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:46:20 -0500 From: edward steves <[email protected]> Organization: Odds and Ends To: [email protected] Subject: Charles Milton Baldwin
Charles Milton Baldwin b.Dec15,1842 at Catskill N.Y.married Clara Hallock he died Aug.28,1929 is he the son of Ephrain or Israel Henry? Is there also a Ephrain that is his son (Ephrain)iam trying to find the father of Ephrain thank you and God Bless
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:51:51 -0600 To: Whitney Discussion Group <[email protected]> From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY: Moses's wife Sarah KNIGHT
Has anyone identified the parentage of Sarah KNIGHT, wife of Moses-3 (Richard-2, John-1) WHITNEY? I found the following records in my CD version of NEHGR. All are included in an article titled "Early Records of Boston", by Wm B. Trask. Volume and page information is listed in brackets.
All of the following are listed as children of Richard KNIGHT and his wife Joanna:
1. Joanna, b. 24 Jan 1652 [9:251], d. 23 Sep 1661 [18:331] 2. James, d. 27 Jul 1652 [10:71] (date entered as '27:7:52') 3. James, b. 1 Feb 1654 [9:309] 4. Sarah, b. 6 Nov 1656 [10:68] 5. Mary, b. 25 Jan 1658 [13:220] 6. Mary, b. 13 Feb 1660 [15:350] 7. Mercy, d. 27 Jul 1661 [18:172] 8. Richard, b. 30 Apr 1662 [16:49]
Is this our Sarah?? Let's review what we know. Pierce, p. 29 states "Moses WHITNEY, b. Concord, Mass., Aug 1, 1655; m. Sept [day unreadable on my copy] 1686, Sarah Knight, of Stow. She d. Mar. 23, 1755." With Moses born in August of 1655, marrying a woman born Nov. 1656 fits, but that would make her 98 years old when she died. Since Moses and Sarah's first child was listed as born in 1687, it might be more likely that she would have been born later, perhaps about 1665. Having a later birthdate would bring down her age at death, which at first glance appears to be a bit high at 98. Our Sarah was 'of Stow' and this one was from Boston. Also, I do not see any onomastic evidence that we have the correct family. At first glance, this Sarah looks promising, but looking a bit deeper casts doubts.
Of course, all of this is conjectural - we have no evidence that this is indeed our Sarah KNIGHT. This is just one KNIGHT family in the general vicinity of Boston that happened to have a daughter named Sarah. Unless anyone has other information on our Sarah that I am unaware of, I'll keep searching for more information on this and other KNIGHT families.
I also located:
Rich'd KNIGHT and John KNIGHT, freeman, 25 May 1636 [3:94]
Rich'd KNIGHT, freeman, 18 May 1642 [3:189]
A Richard KNIGHT, bricklayer, was mentioned in the administration of Thos Buckmaster [10:173]
Richard KNIGHT and John KNIGHT were taylors [14:333]
Robert KNIGHT of York Co., Maine willed all property to his son Richard KNIGHT who was then living in Boston [15:269]
Tim Doyle http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ [email protected] ftp://ftp.doit.com/pub/tdoyle/
From: "Ruth Adkinson" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]> Subject: Nancy Peace WHITNEY Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:43:18 -0700
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on GedCom, while looking at ADKINSON's. I do have her husband's (John ADKINSON) parents and siblings. In fact, there marriage is listed under Ripley County, Indiana records. I believe that when Ripley became a county, they took all of Dearborn's records for that area. As Joseph ADKINSON'S (ATKINSON) land purchase deed is in Ripley Co. (1818) and the 1820 census lists him in Dearborn......so much for county lines
changing..Huh!Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:23:23 -0600 To: Whitney Discussion Group <[email protected]> From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY: Moses's wife Sarah KNIGHT
In the online vital records of Harvard, Massachusetts, I find:
Sarah, w. of Moses of Stow, Mar. 23, 1755. (a. 88 y. C.R.1.)
If the age given is correct, this would put Sarah's birthdate at circa 1667. Thus, the Sarah KNIGHT family I posted last night would seem to NOT be our Sarah KNIGHT as I suspected. I will continue my search for a Sarah KNIGHT born circa 1667 in the Cambridge and/or Stow vicinity. Perhaps this Sunday I can get down to the library to look at the published Massachusetts vital records.
Tim Doyle http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ [email protected] ftp://ftp.doit.com/pub/tdoyle/
From: RayWhit79 <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:37:30 EST To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: Another Keeler/Whitney Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
DEAR DONEVA,
Yours the 16th re Isaaac Keeler. Suggest you look this up on Website
http/www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/henry/ctwhitn.html This is entitled "Descendants of Henry Whitney". On Page 7 of this writeup is reference to Isaac Keeler and his marriage to Mary Whitney. Hope this helps you out. [email protected]
From: "DICK WHITNEY" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney Roots Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:28:29 -0500
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Gardner Me abt 1850, was raised a Whitney . He was suppose to have been raised
by a maiden auntDate: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 02:14:51 -0500 From: Gordon <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: WHITNEY-STANTON
Saw the Whitney website. Anybody interested in ancestry of Sally Forrester (STANTON) WHITNEY? Have information. Will have to check, but I think there is another child of this Charles WHITNEY.
Sally Forrester Stanton
Sex: F
Born: 8 Dec 1794 in St. John, N.B., Canada
Family 1: Charles Whitney, b. 29 Aug 1789 in St. John, N.B., Canada
Married: 1 Sep 1816 in St. John, N.B., Canada
1.Charlotte Whitney, b. 30 May 1817 2.Charles Henry Whitney, b. 26 Jan 1819 3.James Grigor Whitney, b. 17 Dec 1820 4.William Whitney, b. 7 Feb 1823 5.James Grigor Whitney, b. 23 Oct 1824 6.Charlotte Whitney, b. 23 Oct 1826 7.Louisa Whitney, b. 2 Jul 1829
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G.R. Gordon
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 06:20:05 -0500 From: Susan Jensen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: WHITNEY-STANTON References: <[email protected]>
Gordon wrote:
> Saw the Whitney website. Anybody interested in ancestry of Sally > Forrester (STANTON) WHITNEY? Have information. Will have to check, but > I think there is another child of this Charles WHITNEY. > > Sally Forrester Stanton > Sex: F > Born: 8 Dec 1794 in St. John, N.B., Canada > > Family 1: Charles Whitney, b. 29 Aug 1789 in St. John, N.B., Canada > > Married: 1 Sep 1816 in St. John, N.B., Canada > > 1.Charlotte Whitney, b. 30 May 1817 > 2.Charles Henry Whitney, b. 26 Jan 1819 > 3.James Grigor Whitney, b. 17 Dec 1820 > 4.William Whitney, b. 7 Feb 1823 > 5.James Grigor Whitney, b. 23 Oct 1824 > 6.Charlotte Whitney, b. 23 Oct 1826 > 7.Louisa Whitney, b. 2 Jul 1829 > > -- > --------------------------- > G.R. Gordon > <[email protected]> > ---------------------------
Curious about your Whitney-Stanton name.
I have both in my line. I have the Henry Stanton(b. 1798) and Esther Edmunds Stanton (Fathers side)
and the Whitney line is from (Mothers side) You can find most of the information on my Genealogy page with links to my Family Tree Maker Home Page where I have a Gedcom available. If you are interested you can visit there and then let me know.
http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~jjensen/Suepage.html
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From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:19:25 EST
To: [email protected]
Subject: Seek Whitney Help in Recovering Lost Mail
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Dear WRG:
Well, it has finally happened to me. No, not a complete hard disk crash, but I just had a small disaster - after calling AOL to find out if it would cause problems and being assured that it wouldn't, I deleted a file in one of my AOL sub-directories that had grown over the years to 63 megabytes. I wanted to recoup that much hard disk space. I told them that I had a lot of e-mail that I had not saved to other programs, i.e., my word processor or the like, and was told that deletion of this file would not result in losing all that correspondence.
They LIED!! It's all gone! I am hoping to recoup some of it from whatever archives the Whitney-L list may be able to provide, but will have to be dependant on friends to recover any copies of direct e-mail letters over the past six months or so. If you run across anything that fits into this category, please send it on again, even if it was something that got answered and taken care of. There might be something in it that I was saving it for, and if not, I can easily discard it. Thanx.
To Harman, Tim, John, Ed and others that I had been working with individually of late, if you have any copies of your most recent letters to me that you could forward back (as well as my own responses if appropriate), I would appreciate it. Harman, I have been reviewing the Herrick material you sent to bolster your conviction that Lois Cutler was a daughter of Anne Whitney and Ebenezer Cutler, but born to them prior to their marriage in Weston in March of 1723/24. I think your analysis is quite carefully reasoned, and I would agree that it is unlikely that a record of her birth that would confirm your belief will turn up. The only reservation I might have would be in the area of eliminating all other possible Lois Cutler or Lois Whitney births in the 1720 to 1724 time frame, and the search for another wife that might have died in childbirth with Lois. I certainly do agree that it is not appropriate to assume that the Whitney family had no "early children" or children born out of wedlock. I had saved a message on that topic from the Northeast-Roots maillist to forward to the WRG after I got permission from its author, but it, too, went into electronic limbo. I'll get it again, I hope, and send it on.
I guess I consider myself lucky in one sense - anything that was absolutely crucial had already been saved, printed out or entered into my own copies of the databases. The stuff that was lost did, however, contain a lot of what I considered "pending" material and letters.
Happy Hunting:-)
Allan
From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 02:08:48 EST
To: [email protected]
Subject: Some thoughts relating to Lois (Whitney?) Cutler
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Dear WRG:
There has been a thread lately about the possibility that Lois Cutler, b. ca 1722, m. Joseph Herrick was the natural child of Anna Whitney, born prior to her marriage to Ebenezer Cutler. There has also been some discussion on Northeast-Roots about the frequency and social stigma (or lack of same) of children born out of wedlock or arriving early. The following "article" was posted on NE-Roots by a contributor whose work has impressed me repeatedly over the past year or so, and when it appeared I wrote to her and got her permission to reprint it for our benefit on the Whitney List. For what it's worth, I have had several exchanges of letters with Harman Clark about his theory that Lois was Anna's "early child" - and he has me fairly well convinced, although we both agree that real proof is unlikely to be found.
Before pasting in the article below, I also do want to thank Robert Ward and Donna Whitehead for responding so quickly to my request for forwarding of copies of my lost messages. Some of those from Robert went back to last summer, and I am very pleased to recover them as they containedvaluable information. Here then are the thoughts of this excellent scholar, Brooke Harlow.
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I think late 20th cent. concerns about family values have clouded our picture of "the good old days." I'm not sure that early births were as much of a social disgrace as we "moderns" think they were. Moreover, the evidence that I have seen indicates that the Puritans were much less straight laced about sex than we think. The "puritan" image comes mostly from the 19th cent. (and Victorians were pretty hypocritical about sex, too) and from the formal writings of the important Puritan ministers (whose job it was to enforce the social mores that everyone was ignoring).
Early births were certainly questioned and penalties assessed, but I have seen little evidence that women were socially castigated for early births long after the event (a la Hester Prynne). I have seen quite a few cases in the Maine Province and Court Records of penalties for fornication reduced from lashings to fines (and modest fines at that). The system seemed to be pay your fine and move on.
What is more, having an illegitimate child did not seem to have much social consequence either. It didn't happen often, which indicates to me that women must have felt pressure to have children within the bounds of marriage. But I have at least two cases in my own family, from two different centuries, of women marrying very soon after having an illegitimate child by, purportedly, a man other than the one she eventually married. Social stigma didn't carry too far in those cases.
On cousin marriages: As Claudia informs us, it happened quite often. I bet cousin marriages were especially frequent in small towns on the frontier. I haven't seen a formal study of this question but I do have accumulated anecdotal evidence from New England and Louisiana. Recall that people often migrated in family groups. There might not be too many other families on the frontier with eligible children. Related families settled near each other and exchanged resources with each other, giving cousins ample time to meet and get to know each other.
If you read the novels of Jane Austen, among others, you will note that young people were very aware of the social and economic consequences of the matches they made. Marrying a cousin might help ensure that land and other resources would remain in the family (recall the situation in Pride and Prejudice where Eliza is confronted with the prospect of marrying her cousin, the minister. The minister has a good living and would eventually inherit the Bennet's house, but Eliza is certainly not in love. I think this situation was rather familiar to Jane Austen--and would be to a number of young New England women).
It is well worth it to read books like Thompson's Sex in Middlesex not
just because it may have data about one's own family, but because it helps the researcher place ancestors into the context of the times. Another EXCELLENT book which discusses the problem of illegitimacy and the the courts is Cornelia Hughes Dayton, Women Before the Bar: Gender, Law and Society in Connecticut. (Chapel Hill: UNC Press, ca. 1995). Both of these books are available on interlibrary loan. They are available in paperback for less than $20 each, if you would like or can afford to add them to your own library. Have a good day, Brooke
E. Brooke Harlowe Asst. Prof. and Coordinator, Intl Studies major/minor Dept. of Political Science Susquehanna University Selinsgrove PA 17870
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Happy Hunting and Happy Holidays to All
Allan
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:28:48 To: JIM MOORE <[email protected]>, [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif">
Subject: Re: Moses Davis
At 08:53 AM 12/20/97 -0800, JIM MOORE wrote: >Hi there. > >I was searching on the Internet this morning and found a >reference for Moses DAVIS, born 6 July 1776 to Abel >DAVIS and Rahamah WHITNEY. For years I have been >searching for one of my GGFs. I know that my Moses >DAVIS was born in 1776, married Cilly BUCK (I assume >Cilly is short for Priscilla) and lived most of his life in >Vermont where he died. I found him on the Vermont Vital >Records card index. I think he died at age 73. His son Eli >Hubbard DAVIS was my 2nd GGF. > >I am hopeful that you can better help me identify this Abel >and Rahamah family. Do you know if any of their children >moved to northern Vermont? I'm sorry I don't have more >exact data immediately at hand. (I'm not at home where my >records are.) > >Any help you can provide will be gratefully appreciated. > >Thank you for your time. > >Jim Moore >550 Idylwood Dr. SE >Salem, OR 97302 >503-399-1100 ><[email protected]> or <[email protected]>
I'm afraid I can't help much with the children or ancestry of Abel DAVIS. Marriage intentions for Abel DAVIS and Ruhamah WHITNEY were recorded 24 Sep 1757 in Harvard, Worcester Co., MA. Ruhamah WHITNEY was Ruhamah-5 WHITNEY, b. 19 Jul 1737, Harvard, dau. of Jonathan-4 and Alice (WILLARD) WHITNEY [Richard-3, Richard-2, John-1]. For Jonathan-4 WHITNEY and family, see:
http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/john/num135.html#142
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Robert
Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 08:53:30 -0800 From: JIM MOORE <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Moses Davis
Hi there.
I was searching on the Internet this morning and found a reference for Moses DAVIS, born 6 July 1776 to Abel DAVIS and Rahamah WHITNEY. For years I have been searching for one of my GGFs. I know that my Moses DAVIS was born in 1776, married Cilly BUCK (I assume Cilly is short for Priscilla) and lived most of his life in Vermont where he died. I found him on the Vermont Vital Records card index. I think he died at age 73. His son Eli Hubbard DAVIS was my 2nd GGF.
I am hopeful that you can better help me identify this Abel and Rahamah family. Do you know if any of their children moved to northern Vermont? I'm sorry I don't have more exact data immediately at hand. (I'm not at home where my records are.)
Any help you can provide will be gratefully appreciated.
Thank you for your time.
Jim Moore 550 Idylwood Dr. SE Salem, OR 97302 503-399-1100 <[email protected]> or <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:14:21 +0000 To: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]>, [email protected] From: Edward Sinker <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Seek Whitney Help in Recovering Lost Mail
Allan
As you are no doubt aware you are a rather prolific message writer. I have saved many of your messages starting from over a year ago, plus some of mine to you. I don't know how many their are. Do you really want me to start sending them back to you?
Edward Coates Sinker - email: [email protected] Church Lea - GOONS: #2820 Bosbury - Shropshire Family History Society: #3473 Herefordshire HR8 1PX U. K.
From: MRJ79 <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 13:24:44 EST To: <img src="/robertward.gif">, [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: Moses Davis Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Hello Jim;
Adding to Robert Ward's info, the following information on Ruhamah is from Pierce's Genealogy:
Ruhamah, b. July 19, 1737; m. Abel Davis of Harvard. He was son of Eleazer and Sarah (Willard) Davis, and was b. Mar. 1, 1736. Sarah, b. Sept. 10, 1758; Ruhamah, b. Oct. 2, 1759; Eleazer, b. Oct. 20, 1764; Eleazer, b. Aug. 6, 1766; Abel, b. June 30, 1768; Sarah, b. July 31, 1770; Levi, b. April 1, 1772; Joel, b. July 28, 1774; Moses, b. July 6, 1776; Alice, b. June 7, 1778, at Stow.
Keep in touch
Jon Aston
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:56:23 -0800 From: JS&MA Lindsay <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Holiday Greetings
Hi Cousins and Should-be Cousins, Just wanted to send you all greetings for the holidays and let you know I am still here and thinking of you. Best of everything to all of you. Love ya, Mary Ann
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:48:10 -0600 From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY: NEHGS, Vol. 151 entries To: [email protected]
Three articles which included persons by the name of WHITNEY appeared in Volume 151 of the New England Historical and Genealogical Register (1997). Extracts are listed below:
Robert J. Dunkle and Valerie Ruocco, "Parish Records of The First
Church and Society of Kittery, Maine 1714 to 1791," The New England
Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 151.
page 48:
Anno Domini 1742 July ye 3rd ... John Whitney ... Admitted into full Communion with the church.
page 357:
[1776] Febry 28. John Whitney Recognized his Baptismal Covt.
Page 360:
[1744] Mary Whitney Infant Baptized daughter of Jno Whitney
Page 363:
[1746] Tabitha Whitney Daughter of Nathl Whitney Infant Baptized
Page 450:
[1766] Sepr 7. Joanna Whitney renewed the Baptis: Covt
Eleanor Robbins Sprague and Andrew West Robbins, "Untangling the Evidence for Two Early Massachusetts Robbins Families: George of Chelmsford (1657) and Robert of Concord (1671)," The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 151.
Page 391 [not p. 392 as per the index]:
Sgt. John Robbins ... deeded some buildings and lands 16 September 1743 to his son, Jonas, including "lands by Barrets great Dam in Chelmsford ... near Great Brook ... by lands of Joseph Whitney ...
Page 395: Samuel Robbins ... died at Killingly, Connecticut, in 1764. ... Mentioned in the distribution of his estate were ... daughter Allice Whitney, wife of Mathis Whitney.
Page 396:
[Children of Samuel Robbins and Dorothy Barrett]
vi. John Robbins, bp. 16 May 1716; m. Abigail Whitney. Not named in
father's probate file.
viii. Alice Robbins, bp. 28 July 1723; m. Mathis Whitney of Killingly.
Mathis Whitney was a bondsman for the 1764 administration of the
estate of Samuel Robbins.
Page 399:
[Children of Jonathan Robbins and Margaret Lund, births recorded at Dunstable, Mass.]
iv. Eleanor Robbins, b. 18 June 1721; m. James Whitney, b. in 1714,
son of Joseph and Rebecca (Burge) Whitney.
David F. March, "Deaths in Boston: Decedents Reported in the Boston Medical and Surgical Journal, 1828-1829," The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 151.
Page 481:
Whitney, Elijah 58 yr 11 Jan 1829 29; 1:799
John 43 yr 4 Jul 1828 28; 1:351
Nahum, Jr. 10 mo 24 Aug 1828 28; 1:479
Tim Doyle - [email protected]
WWW homepage: http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ ftp directory: ftp.doit.com pub/tdoyle
From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:54:34 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Moses Davis Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Dear Jim:
We have Ruhamah Whitney and Abel Davis in our database, m. ca 1757, with a list of children of that marriage as follows Sarah Davis, b. 10 Sep 1758; Ruhamah Davis, b. 2 Oct 1759; Eleazar Davis, b. 6 Aug 1766; Abel Davis, b. 30 Jan 1768; Sarah Davis (2nd), b. 31 Jul 1770; Levi Davis, b. 1 Apr 1772; Joel Davis, b. 28 Jul 1774; Moses Davis, b. 6 Jul 1776; Alice Davis, b. 7 Jun 1778.
I don't know what happened between 1759 and 1766 - this is not my line at all, and I don't even know who contributed it to the collective database. Further questions may be answered by such persons.
Hope this helps. We can, of course, follow Ruhamah back 5 generations to England.
Allan E. Green
From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:54:34 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Moses Davis Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Dear Jim:
We have Ruhamah Whitney and Abel Davis in our database, m. ca 1757, with a list of children of that marriage as follows Sarah Davis, b. 10 Sep 1758; Ruhamah Davis, b. 2 Oct 1759; Eleazar Davis, b. 6 Aug 1766; Abel Davis, b. 30 Jan 1768; Sarah Davis (2nd), b. 31 Jul 1770; Levi Davis, b. 1 Apr 1772; Joel Davis, b. 28 Jul 1774; Moses Davis, b. 6 Jul 1776; Alice Davis, b. 7 Jun 1778.
I don't know what happened between 1759 and 1766 - this is not my line at all, and I don't even know who contributed it to the collective database. Further questions may be answered by such persons.
Hope this helps. We can, of course, follow Ruhamah back 5 generations to England.
Allan E. Green
From: Linda Sue Cox Wildes <[email protected]>
To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>
Subject: WHITNEY Sarah A. need parents Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 05:30:44 -0600
Sarah A.WHITNEY born 17 Sept.1828 Madrid, St.Lawrence
N.Y. married Thomas A. FENTON 28 Jan. 1848 in Mukwonag
Waukesha co; WI. she died 28 Feb. 1892 in Lanark, Portage
co; WI. who are her parents? can any one help? will share info
Thanks for your time and any help.
Linda Sue Wildes [email protected]
From: Linda Sue Cox Wildes <[email protected]> To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY Sarah A. need parents Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 05:30:44 -0600
Sarah A.WHITNEY born 17 Sept.1828 Madrid, St.Lawrence
N.Y. married Thomas A. FENTON 28 Jan. 1848 in Mukwonag
Waukesha co; WI. she died 28 Feb. 1892 in Lanark, Portage
co; WI. who are her parents? can any one help? will share info
Thanks for your time and any help.
Linda Sue Wildes [email protected]
From: "DICK WHITNEY" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Fw: Whitney Roots
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Gardner Me abt 1850, was raised a Whitney . He was suppose to have been raised
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Subject: Whitney
Gardner Me abt 1850, was raised a Whitney . He was suppose to have been raised
by a maiden auntDate: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 05:15:21 -0600 From: Gerard & Cindy Dupczak <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Castle Family
I am researching the descendants of Philander Castle, who married Lydia Whitney. My wife is a direct descendant of Philander and Lydia. If you would like to share information, please respond to [email protected].
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 05:15:21 -0600 From: Gerard & Cindy Dupczak <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Castle Family
I am researching the descendants of Philander Castle, who married Lydia Whitney. My wife is a direct descendant of Philander and Lydia. If you would like to share information, please respond to [email protected].
From: MAJEMEN <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 09:15:18 EST
To: [email protected]
Subject: Happy Holidays
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Greetings to each and everyone.May you all have a Happy Holiday and the best of best in 1998
Jean (Majemen)
From: MAJEMEN <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 09:15:18 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Happy Holidays Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Greetings to each and everyone.May you all have a Happy Holiday and the best of best in 1998
Jean (Majemen)
From: Jroots <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:29:52 EST
To: [email protected]
Subject: Elinor WHITNEY & Errol LOCKE
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Hi, Elinor WHITNEY, 8/30-1896-1972, m. Errol LOCKE, of Lexington, MA, a son of Alonzo LOCKE & Alice BUTTERS. Does anyone know her WHITNEY ancestry?
Thanks,
Jerry Harrison http://members.aol.com [email protected] Albuquerque, NM
From: Jroots <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:29:52 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Elinor WHITNEY & Errol LOCKE Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Hi, Elinor WHITNEY, 8/30-1896-1972, m. Errol LOCKE, of Lexington, MA, a son of Alonzo LOCKE & Alice BUTTERS. Does anyone know her WHITNEY ancestry?
Thanks,
Jerry Harrison http://members.aol.com [email protected] Albuquerque, NM
From: LorenMC1 <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 12:33:12 EST
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Elinor WHITNEY & Errol LOCKE
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Hi Jerry, I have Whitney ancestors..not yours however. I did notice the name Butters...my great grandmother was a Butters. I have a Book called " The History of the Butters Family 1666-1896". It mentions your Errol Locke. If you would like Butters info let me know, I'd be happy to photo copy! Happy Holidays! Laurie For the rest of the Whitney list there is mention of other Whitney's in this book as well: Abijah, Benjamin A., and Betsey.
From: LorenMC1 <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 12:33:12 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Elinor WHITNEY & Errol LOCKE Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Hi Jerry, I have Whitney ancestors..not yours however. I did notice the name Butters...my great grandmother was a Butters. I have a Book called " The History of the Butters Family 1666-1896". It mentions your Errol Locke. If you would like Butters info let me know, I'd be happy to photo copy! Happy Holidays! Laurie For the rest of the Whitney list there is mention of other Whitney's in this book as well: Abijah, Benjamin A., and Betsey.
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:39:59 -0500
From: "David L. Burnisky" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Ingraham
Randy:
My Ingraham family descends from Benjamin Ingraham and Joanna Treman through their son Chauncey Fathergill Ingraham. Chauncey was born in Ontario County, NY on 4 September 1815, and died in Canandaigua, Ontario County, NY on 6 February 1901. He married Polina E. Clark, the daughter of James B. Clark (1792-1868) and Abigail (1796-1847). Polina died in Canandaigua on 13 March 1901, and is buried with her husband and parents at Academy Cemetery in Canandaigua, NY. The children of Chauncey and Polina were: 1. James 1847-1848 2. Mary M. ca 1850 m. H.C. Hemenway 3. George W. born 12 April 1851 in South Bristol, Ontario County, NY, died 16 December 1933 in Coachella,Riverdale County, CA, married Mary C. Davis. 4. Melvina A., born ca 1852 married Abram B. Peck 5. Hiram C., born 23 July 1854 in Academy Ontario County, NY died on 27 June 1917 in Phelps, Ontario County, NY. He married Georgia Wilcox the daughter of Isaac Wilcox and Mary Susan Owens. Their children include: a. Warren I. Born 1884 died 15 April 1905 b. Ivan C., born 14 April 1885 died 16 May 1958 c. Edith M. born in 1887 died 15 November 1912 d. Paulina E. (Lina), born 27 June 1893 (my grandmother). Died 12 August 1967 e. Murray Hiram, born 17 December 1895, died 4 November 1973. And f. Elsie M. born 28 February 1900 died 6 March 1984.
Do you perhaps have any suggestions on how to add to my family data?
thank you
Dave Burnisky Michigan
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:39:59 -0500 From: "David L. Burnisky" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Ingraham
Randy:
My Ingraham family descends from Benjamin Ingraham and Joanna Treman through their son Chauncey Fathergill Ingraham. Chauncey was born in Ontario County, NY on 4 September 1815, and died in Canandaigua, Ontario County, NY on 6 February 1901. He married Polina E. Clark, the daughter of James B. Clark (1792-1868) and Abigail (1796-1847). Polina died in Canandaigua on 13 March 1901, and is buried with her husband and parents at Academy Cemetery in Canandaigua, NY. The children of Chauncey and Polina were: 1. James 1847-1848 2. Mary M. ca 1850 m. H.C. Hemenway 3. George W. born 12 April 1851 in South Bristol, Ontario County, NY, died 16 December 1933 in Coachella,Riverdale County, CA, married Mary C. Davis. 4. Melvina A., born ca 1852 married Abram B. Peck 5. Hiram C., born 23 July 1854 in Academy Ontario County, NY died on 27 June 1917 in Phelps, Ontario County, NY. He married Georgia Wilcox the daughter of Isaac Wilcox and Mary Susan Owens. Their children include: a. Warren I. Born 1884 died 15 April 1905 b. Ivan C., born 14 April 1885 died 16 May 1958 c. Edith M. born in 1887 died 15 November 1912 d. Paulina E. (Lina), born 27 June 1893 (my grandmother). Died 12 August 1967 e. Murray Hiram, born 17 December 1895, died 4 November 1973. And f. Elsie M. born 28 February 1900 died 6 March 1984.
Do you perhaps have any suggestions on how to add to my family data?
thank you
Dave Burnisky Michigan
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MERRY CHRISTMAS ONE AND ALL.
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MERRY CHRISTMAS ONE AND ALL.
From: Joekeller1 <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 19:20:39 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Ingraham/Rehoboth/1647 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
I gather there has been some traffic re the name Ingraham.
I am seeking information on Elizabeth Ingraham who married Richard Bullock in Rehoboth on August 4, 1647. They are "grandparents" of my wife, and I am trying to find out about Elizabeth's birth, parents, siblings, grandparents etc.
Thanks,
Joe
From: Joekeller1 <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 19:20:39 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Ingraham/Rehoboth/1647 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
I gather there has been some traffic re the name Ingraham.
I am seeking information on Elizabeth Ingraham who married Richard Bullock in Rehoboth on August 4, 1647. They are "grandparents" of my wife, and I am trying to find out about Elizabeth's birth, parents, siblings, grandparents etc.
Thanks,
Joe
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 19:31:00 -0600
To: Whitney Discussion Group <[email protected]>
From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]>
Subject: WHITNEY: NEHGS, Vol. 151
Three articles which included persons by the name of WHITNEY appeared in Volume 151 of the New England Historical and Genealogical Register (1997). Extracts are listed below:
Robert J. Dunkle and Valerie Ruocco, "Parish Records of The First
Church and Society of Kittery, Maine 1714 to 1791," The New England
Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 151.
page 48:
Anno Domini 1742 July ye 3rd ... John Whitney ... Admitted into full Communion with the church.
page 357:
[1776] Febry 28. John Whitney Recognized his Baptismal Covt.
Page 360:
[1744] Mary Whitney Infant Baptized daughter of Jno Whitney
Page 363:
[1746] Tabitha Whitney Daughter of Nathl Whitney Infant Baptized
Page 450:
[1766] Sepr 7. Joanna Whitney renewed the Baptis: Covt
Eleanor Robbins Sprague and Andrew West Robbins, "Untangling the Evidence for Two Early Massachusetts Robbins Families: George of Chelmsford (1657) and Robert of Concord (1671)," The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 151.
Page 391 [not p. 392 as per the index]:
Sgt. John Robbins ... deeded some buildings and lands 16 September 1743 to his son, Jonas, including "lands by Barrets great Dam in Chelmsford ... near Great Brook ... by lands of Joseph Whitney ...
Page 395: Samuel Robbins ... died at Killingly, Connecticut, in 1764. ... Mentioned in the distribution of his estate were ... daughter Allice Whitney, wife of Mathis Whitney.
Page 396:
[Children of Samuel Robbins and Dorothy Barrett]
vi. John Robbins, bp. 16 May 1716; m. Abigail Whitney. Not named in
father's probate file.
viii. Alice Robbins, bp. 28 July 1723; m. Mathis Whitney of Killingly.
Mathis Whitney was a bondsman for the 1764 administration of the
estate of Samuel Robbins.
Page 399:
[Children of Jonathan Robbins and Margaret Lund, births recorded at Dunstable, Mass.]
iv. Eleanor Robbins, b. 18 June 1721; m. James Whitney, b. in 1714,
son of Joseph and Rebecca (Burge) Whitney.
David F. March, "Deaths in Boston: Decedents Reported in the Boston Medical and Surgical Journal, 1828-1829," The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 151.
Page 481:
Whitney, Elijah 58 yr 11 Jan 1829 29; 1:799
John 43 yr 4 Jul 1828 28; 1:351
Nahum, Jr. 10 mo 24 Aug 1828 28; 1:479
Tim Doyle http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ [email protected] ftp://ftp.doit.com/pub/tdoyle/
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 19:31:00 -0600 To: Whitney Discussion Group <[email protected]> From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY: NEHGS, Vol. 151
Three articles which included persons by the name of WHITNEY appeared in Volume 151 of the New England Historical and Genealogical Register (1997). Extracts are listed below:
Robert J. Dunkle and Valerie Ruocco, "Parish Records of The First
Church and Society of Kittery, Maine 1714 to 1791," The New England
Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 151.
page 48:
Anno Domini 1742 July ye 3rd ... John Whitney ... Admitted into full Communion with the church.
page 357:
[1776] Febry 28. John Whitney Recognized his Baptismal Covt.
Page 360:
[1744] Mary Whitney Infant Baptized daughter of Jno Whitney
Page 363:
[1746] Tabitha Whitney Daughter of Nathl Whitney Infant Baptized
Page 450:
[1766] Sepr 7. Joanna Whitney renewed the Baptis: Covt
Eleanor Robbins Sprague and Andrew West Robbins, "Untangling the Evidence for Two Early Massachusetts Robbins Families: George of Chelmsford (1657) and Robert of Concord (1671)," The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 151.
Page 391 [not p. 392 as per the index]:
Sgt. John Robbins ... deeded some buildings and lands 16 September 1743 to his son, Jonas, including "lands by Barrets great Dam in Chelmsford ... near Great Brook ... by lands of Joseph Whitney ...
Page 395: Samuel Robbins ... died at Killingly, Connecticut, in 1764. ... Mentioned in the distribution of his estate were ... daughter Allice Whitney, wife of Mathis Whitney.
Page 396:
[Children of Samuel Robbins and Dorothy Barrett]
vi. John Robbins, bp. 16 May 1716; m. Abigail Whitney. Not named in
father's probate file.
viii. Alice Robbins, bp. 28 July 1723; m. Mathis Whitney of Killingly.
Mathis Whitney was a bondsman for the 1764 administration of the
estate of Samuel Robbins.
Page 399:
[Children of Jonathan Robbins and Margaret Lund, births recorded at Dunstable, Mass.]
iv. Eleanor Robbins, b. 18 June 1721; m. James Whitney, b. in 1714,
son of Joseph and Rebecca (Burge) Whitney.
David F. March, "Deaths in Boston: Decedents Reported in the Boston Medical and Surgical Journal, 1828-1829," The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 151.
Page 481:
Whitney, Elijah 58 yr 11 Jan 1829 29; 1:799
John 43 yr 4 Jul 1828 28; 1:351
Nahum, Jr. 10 mo 24 Aug 1828 28; 1:479
Tim Doyle http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ [email protected] ftp://ftp.doit.com/pub/tdoyle/
From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 03:45:19 EST
To: [email protected]
Subject: Free Use of Ancestry Materials
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Dear WRG:
I spotted this message from the people running the Ancestry "pay by membership" Web Site when it was posted on another list. I thought it should be passed on to all of you.
Happy Holidays to all.
Allan E. Green
*********************
Graham Hawkins [of Ancestry Publications] wrote:
> Like you, we look forward to spending time with family and friends. So, we are going home and leaving the shop unlocked. The Library is standing open * more than 225 databases * Marriage & Land Records, Vital & Census records, PERSI, SSDI, the WorldTree, Historical Maps, Histories, Reference Books, How- to Guides, and more * on-line, fully-searchable databases. Feel free. Come on in. Be our guest. Drop by. Browse around. Search and download. Use all the resources, even those usually reserved to paying members. FREE. > > That new computer that Santa brought? Why not hook right up ¯ surf a little ANCESTRY family history ¯ FREE. > > To take advantage of this FREE opportunity, simply come to http://www.ancestry.com before the New Year. Click on FREE MEMBERSHIP. Complete the simple form. Get your instant User ID and Password. Then browse, search, research, study and hunt to your hearts content. 7 days FREE. > > Have a Happy Holiday > > Your friends at Ancestry.
From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 03:45:19 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Free Use of Ancestry Materials Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Dear WRG:
I spotted this message from the people running the Ancestry "pay by membership" Web Site when it was posted on another list. I thought it should be passed on to all of you.
Happy Holidays to all.
Allan E. Green
*********************
Graham Hawkins [of Ancestry Publications] wrote:
> Like you, we look forward to spending time with family and friends. So, we are going home and leaving the shop unlocked. The Library is standing open * more than 225 databases * Marriage & Land Records, Vital & Census records, PERSI, SSDI, the WorldTree, Historical Maps, Histories, Reference Books, How- to Guides, and more * on-line, fully-searchable databases. Feel free. Come on in. Be our guest. Drop by. Browse around. Search and download. Use all the resources, even those usually reserved to paying members. FREE. > > That new computer that Santa brought? Why not hook right up ¯ surf a little ANCESTRY family history ¯ FREE. > > To take advantage of this FREE opportunity, simply come to http://www.ancestry.com before the New Year. Click on FREE MEMBERSHIP. Complete the simple form. Get your instant User ID and Password. Then browse, search, research, study and hunt to your hearts content. 7 days FREE. > > Have a Happy Holiday > > Your friends at Ancestry.
From: Papa Raetz <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 14:16:23 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Taylor Whitney Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Taylor Whitney married Jane McShane 12/20/1849 in Dearborn Co. IN. Jane died shortly after the birth of their daughter Elmina b. 8/1/1850.
Elmina was raised by her "Uncle and Aunt" Moses-7 (Moses-6, Daniel-5, Daniel-4, Henry-3, John-2, Henry-1) Whitney w. Emzea Anna Maria Foster and is shown living with them on the 1860 Franklin Co, IN census records.
Taylor Whitney remarried and went his seperate way with his new wife. The 1860 Census records for Lake Co. IL have the following.
Taylor Whitney 35 B. OH
Melinda 29 B. NY
?-Male 3 B. IL
Mary or Nancy 64 B. NY
Elis 12 B. IL
The only proven sons of Moses-6 Whitney that were old enough to have fathered Taylor were Jeremiah-7 (had only one child Asa T.) and Joseph-7 (had two sons the right age). Phoenix also lists an Aaron Whitney as a son of Moses-6 but Aaron is not mentioned in the will of Moses-6 that was probated in Franklin Co. IN in 1839. An Aaron Whitney m. Betsy Fowler in Butler Co. OH in 1822.
Does anyone have info on a Taylor Whitney?
Pat Raetzman San Diego Ca.
From: Papa Raetz <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 14:16:23 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Taylor Whitney Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Taylor Whitney married Jane McShane 12/20/1849 in Dearborn Co. IN. Jane died shortly after the birth of their daughter Elmina b. 8/1/1850.
Elmina was raised by her "Uncle and Aunt" Moses-7 (Moses-6, Daniel-5, Daniel-4, Henry-3, John-2, Henry-1) Whitney w. Emzea Anna Maria Foster and is shown living with them on the 1860 Franklin Co, IN census records.
Taylor Whitney remarried and went his seperate way with his new wife. The 1860 Census records for Lake Co. IL have the following.
Taylor Whitney 35 B. OH
Melinda 29 B. NY
?-Male 3 B. IL
Mary or Nancy 64 B. NY
Elis 12 B. IL
The only proven sons of Moses-6 Whitney that were old enough to have fathered Taylor were Jeremiah-7 (had only one child Asa T.) and Joseph-7 (had two sons the right age). Phoenix also lists an Aaron Whitney as a son of Moses-6 but Aaron is not mentioned in the will of Moses-6 that was probated in Franklin Co. IN in 1839. An Aaron Whitney m. Betsy Fowler in Butler Co. OH in 1822.
Does anyone have info on a Taylor Whitney?
Pat Raetzman San Diego Ca.
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 09:05:34 -0800
From: knights <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Aschah Whitney
Good morning. Hope you all are having a happy holiday season.
In the rootsweb database there is an Aschah Whitney b. 1750 daughter of Samuel Whitney. Several of her siblings are b. in Westminster, MA.
My ggggrandfather was Adolphus Whitney and is noted as being of Westminster, Windham Co. VT. on his marriage "certificate" in Putney, VT 31 Aug 1808 m. Martha Powers of Putney. Adolphus was 65 at the time of the 1850 census, so he would have been born abt. 1785.
The name, Aschah Whitney, appears as a granddaughter to Adolphus Whitney, daughter of Hiram Whitney b. 1808, who married Aschah Philena Balch, which has led me to believe the name Aschah orginated on the Balch side. But the name does not appear earlier in my Balch line, which I have back to England in the 1500s. Another son of Adolphus, Edward, from whom I'm decendend, married Adeline Balch. The Whitneys & Balchs married in later generations. One of Hiram's daughters, Huldah, married a Levi Balch. So far, there has been no mention of Adolphus or my Edward or Hiram in anyone elses lineage.
So, now, my questions are these. First the history lesson... Is there a connection between Westminster, MA & Westminster, VT? (Was it named by the settlers after their home in MA or England?)
Was Aschah a common name given name and this is coincidental?
Did the Balch & Whitney families marry prior to Edward & Hiram ? I have no such info, but I found Adolphus's name in a Balch database.
Can anyone make a "connection" for me between these families?
Colleen Knights
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 09:05:34 -0800 From: knights <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Aschah Whitney
Good morning. Hope you all are having a happy holiday season.
In the rootsweb database there is an Aschah Whitney b. 1750 daughter of Samuel Whitney. Several of her siblings are b. in Westminster, MA.
My ggggrandfather was Adolphus Whitney and is noted as being of Westminster, Windham Co. VT. on his marriage "certificate" in Putney, VT 31 Aug 1808 m. Martha Powers of Putney. Adolphus was 65 at the time of the 1850 census, so he would have been born abt. 1785.
The name, Aschah Whitney, appears as a granddaughter to Adolphus Whitney, daughter of Hiram Whitney b. 1808, who married Aschah Philena Balch, which has led me to believe the name Aschah orginated on the Balch side. But the name does not appear earlier in my Balch line, which I have back to England in the 1500s. Another son of Adolphus, Edward, from whom I'm decendend, married Adeline Balch. The Whitneys & Balchs married in later generations. One of Hiram's daughters, Huldah, married a Levi Balch. So far, there has been no mention of Adolphus or my Edward or Hiram in anyone elses lineage.
So, now, my questions are these. First the history lesson... Is there a connection between Westminster, MA & Westminster, VT? (Was it named by the settlers after their home in MA or England?)
Was Aschah a common name given name and this is coincidental?
Did the Balch & Whitney families marry prior to Edward & Hiram ? I have no such info, but I found Adolphus's name in a Balch database.
Can anyone make a "connection" for me between these families?
Colleen Knights
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:57:00
To: [email protected], [email protected]
From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif">
Subject: Ancestry of Margaret (BACON) WHITNEY, b. ca. 1680?
Timothy-4 WHITNEY [John-3, John-2, John-1], b. 16 Apr 1678, Roxbury, MA, m. 12 Jun 1706, Roxbury, MA, Margaret BACON, b. say 1680-1690. Their children were Sarah, Caleb, Moses, Joseph, and Timothy.
Who were the parents of Margaret BACON, and when and where was she born?
Regards,
Robert
Robert L. Ward
<img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:57:00 To: [email protected], [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Ancestry of Margaret (BACON) WHITNEY, b. ca. 1680?
Timothy-4 WHITNEY [John-3, John-2, John-1], b. 16 Apr 1678, Roxbury, MA, m. 12 Jun 1706, Roxbury, MA, Margaret BACON, b. say 1680-1690. Their children were Sarah, Caleb, Moses, Joseph, and Timothy.
Who were the parents of Margaret BACON, and when and where was she born?
Regards,
Robert
Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659
From: Hogle1 <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 17:17:21 EST
To: [email protected]
Subject: Mary Payson/John Whitney
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
My line of descent from John and Elinor brings me down to the Henry Payson Whitney (John-John-John-Daniel-Elijah-John-John,Jr - HP).
His middle name is taken from his grandmother Mary PAYSON b 16Oct1744; d 11Aug1816 m John WHITNEY 22Apr1773 in Roxbury, MA.
I do not know where Mary PAYSON was born, although, since John was born in Roxbury, and that is where they were married, I have a hunch that she was born there too. Asa PAYSON married Elizabeth WHITNEY (John,John,John,Timothy,Moses) in Roxbury in 1777 so I am assuming there may be some connection between Mary and Asa.
Does anyone have any information on Mary PAYSON - parentage or siblings?
(BTW - I think I do the descendancy backward but it makes sense to me - but then I operate backward frequently).
Thanks for any help anyone can give.
Jo Hogle [email protected]
From: Hogle1 <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 17:17:21 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Mary Payson/John Whitney Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
My line of descent from John and Elinor brings me down to the Henry Payson Whitney (John-John-John-Daniel-Elijah-John-John,Jr - HP).
His middle name is taken from his grandmother Mary PAYSON b 16Oct1744; d 11Aug1816 m John WHITNEY 22Apr1773 in Roxbury, MA.
I do not know where Mary PAYSON was born, although, since John was born in Roxbury, and that is where they were married, I have a hunch that she was born there too. Asa PAYSON married Elizabeth WHITNEY (John,John,John,Timothy,Moses) in Roxbury in 1777 so I am assuming there may be some connection between Mary and Asa.
Does anyone have any information on Mary PAYSON - parentage or siblings?
(BTW - I think I do the descendancy backward but it makes sense to me - but then I operate backward frequently).
Thanks for any help anyone can give.
Jo Hogle [email protected]
From: Bumb B <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:50:53 EST
To: [email protected]
Subject: Whitney's
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
I have a Mary Lizzie Whitney (Edson) born June 13,1878 Parents A.E. Whitney b.Weston or Fitchburg Mass
Anna C. Smith Whitney b. Fitchburg, Mass
Looking for any information that I can find on her parents. Father possibly Arthur Eugene Whitney. Can any one help?. Thank you.
From: Bumb B <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:50:53 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Whitney's Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
I have a Mary Lizzie Whitney (Edson) born June 13,1878 Parents A.E. Whitney b.Weston or Fitchburg Mass
Anna C. Smith Whitney b. Fitchburg, Mass
Looking for any information that I can find on her parents. Father possibly Arthur Eugene Whitney. Can any one help?. Thank you.
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 23:02:17 -0600
From: Stephen Spees <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Jacob Spees
I am responding to your Whitney web page and curious to know if this Jacob Spees may be a relative. I have a Mathias Spees in PA born about 1775, Who married an Elizabeth Aurandt. It was reported his father was Jacob Spees, but have no info other wise. A Jacob or Christian Spees is may have also left PA and moved to Kentucky about the turn of the Century, and had a Brother move to MI or Canada. The Spelling is Likely Spiess.. Please respond when you have time. I have a lot of in onfo on "Spees" and will share it. My anentafel in on the net. Regards, Stephen Spees
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 23:02:17 -0600 From: Stephen Spees <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] Subject: Jacob Spees
I am responding to your Whitney web page and curious to know if this Jacob Spees may be a relative. I have a Mathias Spees in PA born about 1775, Who married an Elizabeth Aurandt. It was reported his father was Jacob Spees, but have no info other wise. A Jacob or Christian Spees is may have also left PA and moved to Kentucky about the turn of the Century, and had a Brother move to MI or Canada. The Spelling is Likely Spiess.. Please respond when you have time. I have a lot of in onfo on "Spees" and will share it. My anentafel in on the net. Regards, Stephen Spees
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:13:11 -0600
From: Gerard & Cindy Dupczak <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Lydia Whitney Castle
Being somewhat new to this, how do I supply information regarding descendants of Lydia Whitney Castle? I have an extensive list of descendants with references.
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:13:11 -0600 From: Gerard & Cindy Dupczak <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Lydia Whitney Castle
Being somewhat new to this, how do I supply information regarding descendants of Lydia Whitney Castle? I have an extensive list of descendants with references.
From: RayWhit79 <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:25:03 EST
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Illinois
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Dear Allan,
Back on December 8, you wrote seeking someone in Illinois to try and verify a
change in their practices by restricting public records being available only to private investigators. I never saw a reply to that.
Wanted to tell you that I was successful in getting a copy of the marriage
record of my Great Grandfather and Great Grandmother Daniel James and Dilly Jane Flint Whitney from the Kankakee, Illinois County Clerk by mail on December 5, 1997. They were married July 26, 1855, and appeared in the Dekalb County Census for 1860, showing their first two children, the oldest being my Grandfather, Harvey James Whitney.
I am now seeking information trying to verify the connection of Polly Whitney
and her family, who appeared in the 1850 Iroquois County, Illinois, Census, showing a son by the name of James Whitney, 17 years old, whom I think undoubtedly was my great grandfather. The Flints were in the 1850 Census in Kankakee County. Iroquois and Kankakee Counties in Illinois are immediately adjacent to one another, and it seems almost certain that the assumption that they are connected is right.
I was wondering if you have any name and addresses of a Historical Society in
either or both of those counties that might be able to verify the connection between the two families? Also, possibly if there is any memember of WRG in Illinois that might be able to help? The Kansas Historical Library here has a couple of books on "History of Irioquois County, Illinois, but have been unable to access them as they are doing some remodeling in the Library. Probably will be tied up until the middle of January. Thanks. Happy New Year! Ray Whitney.
From: RayWhit79 <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:25:03 EST To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Illinois Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Dear Allan,
Back on December 8, you wrote seeking someone in Illinois to try and verify a
change in their practices by restricting public records being available only to private investigators. I never saw a reply to that.
Wanted to tell you that I was successful in getting a copy of the marriage
record of my Great Grandfather and Great Grandmother Daniel James and Dilly Jane Flint Whitney from the Kankakee, Illinois County Clerk by mail on December 5, 1997. They were married July 26, 1855, and appeared in the Dekalb County Census for 1860, showing their first two children, the oldest being my Grandfather, Harvey James Whitney.
I am now seeking information trying to verify the connection of Polly Whitney
and her family, who appeared in the 1850 Iroquois County, Illinois, Census, showing a son by the name of James Whitney, 17 years old, whom I think undoubtedly was my great grandfather. The Flints were in the 1850 Census in Kankakee County. Iroquois and Kankakee Counties in Illinois are immediately adjacent to one another, and it seems almost certain that the assumption that they are connected is right.
I was wondering if you have any name and addresses of a Historical Society in
either or both of those counties that might be able to verify the connection between the two families? Also, possibly if there is any memember of WRG in Illinois that might be able to help? The Kansas Historical Library here has a couple of books on "History of Irioquois County, Illinois, but have been unable to access them as they are doing some remodeling in the Library. Probably will be tied up until the middle of January. Thanks. Happy New Year! Ray Whitney.
From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 22:11:09 EST
To: [email protected]
Subject: Descent from Jonas-5 and Zabudah Davis Whitney
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Dear WRG:
I'm still trying to expand the family of Jonas-5 and Zabudah (Davis) Whitney of Harvard, MA, and have come up with some questions for which I don't seem to have the resources at hand. In dealing with their ten children as posted by Tim Doyle earlier this month, I need some help.
1) Their first son, Levi-6 Whitney, married Sarah Lawrence in 1772 in Harvard. I checked the births in Harvard to see if they had any children in that community and found none. Sarah died in Rindge, NH, in 1783, and Levi remarried Hepsibeth Fay 25 Dec 1783 in Rindge. Are there any available VR's from Rindge that will show children from either of these marriages?
2) The search for children in Harvard led me to a Levi and Sarah Whitney who were having children there between 1812 and 1818. There is only one marriage in Harvard for a Levi and a Sarah, the one above in 1772. That record says that Levi is "of Concord" but there is nothing in the Concord VR's that sheds any light on this matter. Who, then, are the Levi and Sarah having children in the 18teens? Three other Levi's were born in Harvard, in 1781, 1786 and 1793 who could possibly have been the male parent in 1812. No marriages other than the one in 1772 are in Harvard, but one in Templeton shows a Levi of Harvard marrying a Sarah Davis on 6 Jan 1812. Which Levi of Harvard is this?
3) Jan Whitaker has a friend who is descended from this family (Levi-6 and Sarah), but who is not currently working much on genealogy. She has provided the following:
>Reply: I do not have vital records of Rindge, NH but will quote a page >from E.S.Stearns, History of the Town of Rindge, N.H. page 785 for the >children of Levi and Sarah (Lawrence) Whitney and then his second wife >Hepsibeth (Fay). Dick descends from the second wife or [of] son Amos.
[comments by
AEG] Children: Sarah b. Concord June 12, 1774 [confirmed, VR]
Lydia b. in Westminster May 20, 1776 [in Ashburnham VR's, same date]
Levi b. in Ashburnham May 12 1778: d, Dec 1, 1780 [confirmed, VR]
John b. Ashburnham Aug 26, 1780 [VR shows bap. Aug 27]
Betsey b. in Rindge April 5 1783
Children of second wife:
Levi b. in Rindge Sept 28, 1784
Amos (end of Quote)
>(no date is given) for Amos so I have only b. 1786 in Rindge, N.H. per the >Whitney genealogy. > [end copied material - AEG]
4) Further following the descent from Jonas-5 and Zabudah, following down the lines of those who stayed in Harvard or environs, and whose records are readily available, I find a problem with the records in the following descent:
Salmon-6 Whitney, m. Hepsibeth Raymond on 22 Apr 1784 in Templeton.
Among their seven children is:
Nathan-7 Whitney, m. Nancy Farwell on 23 May 1816 in Harvard.
Among their children shown in the Harvard VR's there are two
whose
printed birthdates are seemingly physically impossible, i.e.,
too close.
Aelissa Alvira-8, b. 10 Mar 1820, and
Newton-8, b. 22 Jul 1820
The entry for Newton-8, s. of Nathan and Nancy comes immediately below an entry for Nathan-8 Whitney, s. of Nathan and Nancy. It is possible that we have a transcription error here, and the entry for Newton should show a different set of parents, and the Nathan and Nancy was a mis-copy from the line above. If anyone has access to the full set of the Harvard VR's, please check these entries to see if this explanation might be valid.
This Nathan-7 was already in the Whitny12 database, followed by Nathan-8 Whitney, Albert Raymond-9 Whitney, and Stearns Hay-10 Whitney. I am not sure which of our WRG members submitted this line, but perhaps whoever it was could comment on this, as well as the presence in the database of another son for Nathan-7 and Nancy Farwell Whitney named Salmon, for which I can find no record in the Harvard VR's or any other place that I can think to look.
If anyone is interested, now that I have added all of these people through three more generations at Harvard, I could produce a 4 generation descendancy chart and post it to the list. Virtually every entry I have added to my Whitny12 (which I will be sending to Jon whenever he thinks he's about ready to publish Whitny13) is backed by a reference to a published source, most, of course, being the Harvard, MA, VR's.
Enough for this time. Happy Hunting to all, as well as a Happy New Year!!!
Allan
From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 22:11:09 EST To: [email protected] Subject: Descent from Jonas-5 and Zabudah Davis Whitney Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Dear WRG:
I'm still trying to expand the family of Jonas-5 and Zabudah (Davis) Whitney of Harvard, MA, and have come up with some questions for which I don't seem to have the resources at hand. In dealing with their ten children as posted by Tim Doyle earlier this month, I need some help.
1) Their first son, Levi-6 Whitney, married Sarah Lawrence in 1772 in Harvard. I checked the births in Harvard to see if they had any children in that community and found none. Sarah died in Rindge, NH, in 1783, and Levi remarried Hepsibeth Fay 25 Dec 1783 in Rindge. Are there any available VR's from Rindge that will show children from either of these marriages?
2) The search for children in Harvard led me to a Levi and Sarah Whitney who were having children there between 1812 and 1818. There is only one marriage in Harvard for a Levi and a Sarah, the one above in 1772. That record says that Levi is "of Concord" but there is nothing in the Concord VR's that sheds any light on this matter. Who, then, are the Levi and Sarah having children in the 18teens? Three other Levi's were born in Harvard, in 1781, 1786 and 1793 who could possibly have been the male parent in 1812. No marriages other than the one in 1772 are in Harvard, but one in Templeton shows a Levi of Harvard marrying a Sarah Davis on 6 Jan 1812. Which Levi of Harvard is this?
3) Jan Whitaker has a friend who is descended from this family (Levi-6 and Sarah), but who is not currently working much on genealogy. She has provided the following:
>Reply: I do not have vital records of Rindge, NH but will quote a page >from E.S.Stearns, History of the Town of Rindge, N.H. page 785 for the >children of Levi and Sarah (Lawrence) Whitney and then his second wife >Hepsibeth (Fay). Dick descends from the second wife or [of] son Amos.
[comments by
AEG] Children: Sarah b. Concord June 12, 1774 [confirmed, VR]
Lydia b. in Westminster May 20, 1776 [in Ashburnham VR's, same date]
Levi b. in Ashburnham May 12 1778: d, Dec 1, 1780 [confirmed, VR]
John b. Ashburnham Aug 26, 1780 [VR shows bap. Aug 27]
Betsey b. in Rindge April 5 1783
Children of second wife:
Levi b. in Rindge Sept 28, 1784
Amos (end of Quote)
>(no date is given) for Amos so I have only b. 1786 in Rindge, N.H. per the >Whitney genealogy. > [end copied material - AEG]
4) Further following the descent from Jonas-5 and Zabudah, following down the lines of those who stayed in Harvard or environs, and whose records are readily available, I find a problem with the records in the following descent:
Salmon-6 Whitney, m. Hepsibeth Raymond on 22 Apr 1784 in Templeton.
Among their seven children is:
Nathan-7 Whitney, m. Nancy Farwell on 23 May 1816 in Harvard.
Among their children shown in the Harvard VR's there are two
whose
printed birthdates are seemingly physically impossible, i.e.,
too close.
Aelissa Alvira-8, b. 10 Mar 1820, and
Newton-8, b. 22 Jul 1820
The entry for Newton-8, s. of Nathan and Nancy comes immediately below an entry for Nathan-8 Whitney, s. of Nathan and Nancy. It is possible that we have a transcription error here, and the entry for Newton should show a different set of parents, and the Nathan and Nancy was a mis-copy from the line above. If anyone has access to the full set of the Harvard VR's, please check these entries to see if this explanation might be valid.
This Nathan-7 was already in the Whitny12 database, followed by Nathan-8 Whitney, Albert Raymond-9 Whitney, and Stearns Hay-10 Whitney. I am not sure which of our WRG members submitted this line, but perhaps whoever it was could comment on this, as well as the presence in the database of another son for Nathan-7 and Nancy Farwell Whitney named Salmon, for which I can find no record in the Harvard VR's or any other place that I can think to look.
If anyone is interested, now that I have added all of these people through three more generations at Harvard, I could produce a 4 generation descendancy chart and post it to the list. Virtually every entry I have added to my Whitny12 (which I will be sending to Jon whenever he thinks he's about ready to publish Whitny13) is backed by a reference to a published source, most, of course, being the Harvard, MA, VR's.
Enough for this time. Happy Hunting to all, as well as a Happy New Year!!!
Allan
From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 23:31:16 EST
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Illinois
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Dear Ray:
How nice to hear from you. Happy New Year!
In answer to your question, here are a couple of addresses:
Iroquois County Genealogical Society, Old Courthouse Museum, 103 West Cherry
St., Watseka, IL 60970
Kankakee Valley Genealogical Society, 304 S. Indiana Ave., Kankakee, IL 60901
I think you might be on to something here. The idea expressed in your letter to me makes a lot of sense. I might offer a couple of suggestions, though. As one who is on the GenWeb system on the Internet as a "look-up contact" for a local (Bell County, KY) Historical Society, I would also suggest that you express a willingness to either join the local society or to send a donation to the society in return for their efforts on your behalf. Sometimes local societies have members who are willing to undertake research for a fee, but if you get into that, be certain that you have the terms of your agreement clearly understood before unleashing them to go to work. Also, when you formulate your query, be sure to clearly distinguish between facts that you "know" and your guesses or assumptions. If you have an idea of what kind of record source might be the most likely to provide the answers, don't hesitate to suggest it. This assumes, of course, that that kind of record actually does exist in that locality and has not been lost or burned. Remember, they know their local records better than you can.
I still hope someone in the WRG in Illinois will respond to that question about records being restricted to licensed investigators, apropos my posting/query of December 8th.
Happy Hunting and Happy New Year to all.
Allan
From: ALLAGREEN <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 23:31:16 EST To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Illinois Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Dear Ray:
How nice to hear from you. Happy New Year!
In answer to your question, here are a couple of addresses:
Iroquois County Genealogical Society, Old Courthouse Museum, 103 West Cherry
St., Watseka, IL 60970
Kankakee Valley Genealogical Society, 304 S. Indiana Ave., Kankakee, IL 60901
I think you might be on to something here. The idea expressed in your letter to me makes a lot of sense. I might offer a couple of suggestions, though. As one who is on the GenWeb system on the Internet as a "look-up contact" for a local (Bell County, KY) Historical Society, I would also suggest that you express a willingness to either join the local society or to send a donation to the society in return for their efforts on your behalf. Sometimes local societies have members who are willing to undertake research for a fee, but if you get into that, be certain that you have the terms of your agreement clearly understood before unleashing them to go to work. Also, when you formulate your query, be sure to clearly distinguish between facts that you "know" and your guesses or assumptions. If you have an idea of what kind of record source might be the most likely to provide the answers, don't hesitate to suggest it. This assumes, of course, that that kind of record actually does exist in that locality and has not been lost or burned. Remember, they know their local records better than you can.
I still hope someone in the WRG in Illinois will respond to that question about records being restricted to licensed investigators, apropos my posting/query of December 8th.
Happy Hunting and Happy New Year to all.
Allan
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