Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:17:24 -0700 From: "THE ENGLAND'S" <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Genealogy conference in Salt Lake City To: [email protected]

Here is an interesting website for all who would be interested in attending a Genealogy conference in Salt Lake City.

http:\\www.gentech.org

I hope all of you had a wonderful holiday season.

Lisa K. England

From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:28:51 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Mary Ann WHITNEY, b. 1820, m. J. A. MANSFIELD To: [email protected]

Dear NE and Whitney List Members:

This query is addressed primarily to Herb Phelps, but others may well have some of the answers. Jonas Prescott-7 WHITNEY (Josiah-6, Josiah-5, David-4, Benjamin-3, John-2, John-1), father of Mary Ann was originally from Waltham, Middlesex, MA, m. Rebecca PIPER in Ashby, Middlesex, MA, in 1815, and had his first two children (Rebecca, b. 1815, Josiah Davis, b. 1818) in Ashby, and then possibly relocated before the birth of his remaining eight children. The first of these was Mary Ann, mentioned above, born 17 Nov 1820, who later married James A. MANSFIELD.

The Whitney collective database of the descendants of John and Elinor shows birthdates for the remaining eight children but without indicating the place of birth. Can anyone assist with information about Jonas P. and Rebecca (Piper) Whitney's place of residence after 1819, and/or the absence of the record of the birth of the remaining 8 children? Rebecca's death is recorded in Ashby on 18 Jun 1838, and Jonas P. then marries secondly Louisa Wheeler on

    29 Aug 1839 in Leominster, Worcester, MA.

(It is gratifying to see that J. P., with a two year old child in the house, waited the proper year before taking his second wife.)

Is the problem that they never left Ashby, just that the births of the last eight children were not recorded? Rebecca's death there suggests that possibility. There are no births recorded in Leominster for Jonas P. and Rebecca, nor any that even have the same names and dates, as of the 13 Whitney "births" recorded in Leominster, 12 are taken from dates on grave stones in the Leominster Cemetery. Indeed, Jonas P. is listed as being "of Ashby" in the record of his marriage to Louisa Wheeler.

I am puzzled by this inconsistency, and would be most appreciative if light could be shed on the problem.

Allan E. Green "Si hoc legere scis niminium eruditionis habes." Barbourville, KY (1) [email protected], (2) [email protected] "A family tree can wither if nobody tends its roots"

Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 15:50:31 -0800 From: "S. Whitney" <[email protected]>

       Whitney Research Group <[email protected]>

Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Boston Trip To: [email protected]

Good afternoon WRG,

I was born and raised in the Pacific Northwest and for the first time in my 40 years, get to travel to Boston next week. I will have three full days to wander around on my own and would like to concentrate on my husband's Whitney roots. I don't want to do research necessarily, but would just like to explore. Does anyone have any suggestions? I suppose Watertown doesn't look quite like it did in 1635 but I'd like to go see it anyway. Is there a historical district that I should see? I am even open to some cemetery stomping if someone could send me in the right direction. Thanks and I am enjoying being back on the Whitney list after being off for almost 8 months. Doesn't seem to be much discussion going though? Perhaps more after the holidays have been fully digested.

Shawn Boone Whitney (James12,James11,Robert10, Frank9, Thomas8,Ami7, Ami6,Jonathon5,Jonathon4,Jonathon3,Benjamin2,John1)

From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:35:07 EST Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Boston Trip To: [email protected]

Hi Shawn and welcome back:

If you take a look at the supplement to the Watertown Vital Records, it appears that there were dozens of Whitney families associated with the East Congregational Church of Watertown.

Watertown Records, Comprising East Congregational and Precinct Affairs, 1697 to 1737. Also, Record Book of the Pastors, 1686-1819, (1906).

p. 79: John Whitney chosen collector at a town meeting, 11 Mar 1733/4. p. 90: Meetinghouse seating 24 Apr 1732:

       Mr. Benja Whitney, 4th seat.
       Mr. Danl Whitney, fore seat in the front gallery.
       Mr. John Whitney, fore seat in the side gallery.

p. 91-92: Meetinghouse seating, 15 Jun 1741:

       Mr. John Whitney, 3rd seat.
       Mr. Joseph Whitney, 5th seat.
       Mr. Benjamin Whitney, 6th seat.
       Mr. Daniel Whitney, fore seat in the front gallery.
       Mr. Samll Whitney, front 2nd seat.

p. 93: Meetinghouse seating, 10 Jun 1748:

       John Whitney, 2nd seat.
       Joseph Whitney, 3rd seat.
       Samll Whitney, fore seat in the long gallery.
       Benja Whitney, 2nd seat in ye front.

p. 94: Daniel Whitney, committee member. p. 95: Nathaniel R. Whitney, town clerk, 23 Dec 1793. p. 97: 31 Mar 1687, Benjamin Whitney (s. of John Whitney) and Abigail

         Hager (d. of widdow Hager), married with parents consent.

p. 97: 11 Aug 1687, Eliezer Whitney (s. of Thomas Whitney, of Watertown),

            now living in Sudbury, and Dorothy Rosse (d. of James Rosse of
            Sudbury), married with parents consent.

p. 98: 10 Apr 1688, John Whitney (s. of Jonathan Whitney), and Mary

                   Hapgood (d. of Shadrach Hapgood), both of Sherborn, married

with consent of friends.

etc. I think I'd try to find this church and see what, if anything, remains of the Whitney presence there. I envy you the trip - I'm hoping to be able to go for a similar visit in about a year, after my wife and I retire next summer and move to our new home in Maryland.

Enjoy the visit, and please tell us about what you found and saw. If it is still there, (and if you like steaks and seafood) I'd recommend a restaurant down near Faneuil (sp?) Hall called Durgin Park - it's up on the second floor of a warehouse-looking building. It has the "freshest" waiters/waitresses I ever saw, who love to insult the customers, and the food is marvellous.

Allan E. Green

From: "Douglas E. Whitney" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Boston Trip Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:32:41 -0500 To: [email protected]

Watertown is a great place to go. The library has the two key Whitney books, on the ancestors and descendants of John Whitney. A history of the town, by Bond, has a map of the town as of ca. 1700, showing several parcels owned by John Whitney and his progeny. Whitney Hill is prominent parkland at the center of town.

The original Whitney property is now the location of Watertown High, and another parcel is now the school's athletic field.

Also, don't miss NEHGS on Newbury Street in Boston's Back Bay.

Good luck,

Doug Whitney

Original Message-----

From: S. Whitney <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 6:50 PM Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Boston Trip

>Good afternoon WRG, > >I was born and raised in the Pacific Northwest and for the first time in >my 40 years, get to travel to Boston next week. I will have three full >days to wander around on my own and would like to concentrate on my >husband's Whitney roots. I don't want to do research necessarily, but >would just like to explore. Does anyone have any suggestions? I >suppose Watertown doesn't look quite like it did in 1635 but I'd like to >go see it anyway. Is there a historical district that I should see? I >am even open to some cemetery stomping if someone could send me in the >right direction. >Thanks and I am enjoying being back on the Whitney list after being off >for almost 8 months. Doesn't seem to be much discussion going though? >Perhaps more after the holidays have been fully digested. > >Shawn Boone Whitney >(James12,James11,Robert10, Frank9, Thomas8,Ami7, >Ami6,Jonathon5,Jonathon4,Jonathon3,Benjamin2,John1) > >______________________________

From: "Sally Towns" <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:56:23 -0500 Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Searching To: [email protected]

Whitney List Members

My name is Sally Whitney Towns, from Wayne, Maine, and have just finished tracing our line of the Whitney family. We are now looking to gather information on other members of the same line. When I first started tracing our line, I was able to start with John(1) and go back easily, but to move forward was much more difficult. Our line is Benjamin(2), John(1); and it seems that this line has not been documented well past Benjamin's children. So if your out there we are looking to try to piece this line together; especially if your line came out of Maine at some point; we would greatly appreciate hearing from you. We have access to much Whitney data form Maine and would love to share.

Sally Whitney Towns Homer(9) John(8) James (7) Solomon (6) Joseph (5) Abel (4) Nathaniel (3) Benjamin (2) John (1)

Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:21:12 -0600 From: Bertha Emmett <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] JAMES WHITNEY, BORN CA1791 To: [email protected]

James Whitney was born about 1791 in Mass. By 1815 he had located in VT, where his son John Franklin was born in that year. And, both men had moved to NY by 1837 when John Franklin Whitney had a daughter, Hannah, born in 1837. They had moved to central Illinois by 1844. Family legend has it that James Whitney had married Hannah Bruce. And John (Frank) had married Sarah Nokes.

Can anyone give me any leads as to which Whitney family of MA, this James would belong. I have not been able to find documentation of cities or counties where this family lived before coming to Menard & Brown Counties, IL.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you! Bertha Emmett

From: "Marion Leska" <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 13:41:21 -0800 Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney Ranch-Henderson-Las Vegas, Nevada To: [email protected]

Just idle curiosity. Since we moved into the MacDonald Ranch area of Henderson,NV, I have become aware of the various other "ranches" that have been subdivided. One of these is Whitney Ranch, a prominent geographic feature of which is Whitney Mesa. I think perhaps that some Whitney must have been an early settler in the Las Vegas area. Does anyone know who they were? There is one area on the east side of Boulder hwy called "Whitney." Marion Whitney Leska

From: "Glenn Barnett" <[email protected]>

Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:04:16 -0600 To: [email protected] Subject: Unidentified subject!

Hi ..Another place about 30 miles west of Boston is a place called Northboro, Mass. There is supposed to be a Whitney Museum. I'm not sure if it is run by the Northboro Chamber of Commerce or if there is a Historical Society that takes care of it. A teleohone number to call is 508-393-5001. I go home to Worcester every year in the summertime, but unfortunately it is closed during the summer !! So I have never been there. Sharon

From: Carolyn Tilton <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:36:02 -0800 Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney Information To: [email protected]

Whitney Museum of American Art at Champon 1 Champion Plaza Atlantic St. & Tresser Blvd Stamford, CT 06921 (I-95 Atlantic St Ex) Changing exhibitions of American art, primarily of the 20th century and often drawn from the permanent collection of the Whitney Museum of American Art in New York. Special events - Tues - Sat, 11-5, Free (203) 358 7630

Eli Whitney Museum 915 Whitney Ave. Hamden, CT 06517 (I 91 exit 6) "Inventing Change" outlines the Whitney legacy. Outdoor learning lab, 1816 barn offers country dances, folk music and summer theater. Call for schedule. Wed - fri & Sun, 12-5. Sat 10-3. Water Learning Lab: May - )ct, weather permitting. Closed Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years day. Adults $3, children and seniors $2. (203) 777-1833

Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:17:27 -0800 From: Paul & Brenda Nichols <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] [Fwd: [NOVA-SCOTIA-L] Re: WHITNEY] To: [email protected]

Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 07:26:24 -0400 From: George Newbury <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Subject: [NOVA-SCOTIA-L] Re: WHITNEY To: [email protected]

Barbara Logan wrote:

> Planters and Pioneers by E.C. Wright has: > WHITNEY, John.......Horton 1761 > m. Desire Ch: John, Jr. > WHITNEY,John........St. John River, 1769 > m; 9 ch, 1783. > WHITNEY, Samuel......Maugerville, 1765 > b. 15 Sept. 1732, Brunswick,ME.,son of Samuel Whitney. > married MAry. Ch: Ebenezer, Joel,Thomas G.

'FALMOUTH A New England Township In Nova Scotia' , by John V. Duncanson
   pages 369/370 - The RANDALL FAMILY

xii. Nathan b. 7 May 1764 - Fal. Tsp. Bk.; m. 1795 Susanna dau of Jonas Gates - family of 10 i/c Rev. Chas. Randall, Baptist Minister of Weymouth, N.S. & Rev. Samuel Martin Randall. b. 17 Jan. 1748 Preston, Conn.; m. 23 Nov 1775 Amy dau of Elisha WHITNEY of Hanley Mountain, Township of Annapolis, N.S.; settled at Aylesford, N.S. Children:

  i. John5 Randall m. 1st Ruth Gates;
                   m. 2nd Nancy Downey;
                   m. 3rd Mary (Baker) Groucher.
 ii. Lucy b. 1780; d. young.
iii. Jonathan b. 15 Aug. 1781; r. Maine.
 iv. William D. b. Oct. 1783, m. Helen dau of Rev T.H. Chipman.
  v. George d. 1816.
 vi. Lucy m. Peter P. Chute.
vii. Amy m. Rev. Ebenezer Stronach.

viii. Eunice b. 8 Aug. 1794.

 ix. David b. 28 Mar. 1793.
  x. Olive b. 27 Apr. 1797; d. 13 Nov. 1798

I had written before looking for Chapman Whitney from Nova Scotia. I have received further information on him. Chapman was the son of Joshua S. and Julia M. (Swain) Whitney. She was the daughter of Chapman and Hannah S. Swain. Chapman was born on February 27,1874 at North East Harbour, Shelbourne County. He married Laura MacDougall on January 13,1898. I do hope that this will help for me to receive even further information on my roots. Thank you Beth

From: [email protected] Date: 11 Jan 1999 15:30:08 CST/CDT Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Searching To: [email protected]

Hi Sally,

I've posted this request before, without much luck, but here's my "problem Whitney": I'm seeking the parents and ancestors of Andrew A. Whitney, b. 4 June 1823 (?), possibly in Milo, ME. He m. Mary Livermore of Milo, and died in New Brunswick in April, 1875. Mary came back to Milo with the children. Andrew's father MAY have been Richard Whitney, son of Moses, but I have no proof. Any info would be appreciated.

Greg Cote

SN>Whitney List Members

SN>My name is Sally Whitney Towns, from Wayne, Maine, and have just finished SN>tracing our line of the Whitney family. We are now looking to gather SN>information on other members of the same line. SN>When I first started tracing our line, I was able to start with John(1) and SN>go back easily, but to move forward was much more difficult. Our line is SN>Benjamin(2), John(1); and it seems that this line has not been documented SN>well past Benjamin's children. SN>So if your out there we are looking to try to piece this line together; SN>especially if your line came out of Maine at some point; we would greatly SN>appreciate hearing from you. We have access to much Whitney data form Maine SN>and would love to share.

SN>Sally Whitney Towns SN>Homer(9) John(8) James (7) Solomon (6) Joseph (5) Abel (4) Nathaniel (3) SN>Benjamin (2) SN>John (1)

Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:14:43 -0500 (EST) From: Barry Whitney <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Arlington National Cemetery To: [email protected]

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.com/

=================================

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.com/cwhitney.htm Courtney Whitney

             Major General - United States Army
               May 20, 1897 - March 21, 1969
                   Lawyer, Soldier, Author
                       Love Forever

==================================

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.com/fwhitney.htm Folliett Augustus Whitney

               Major,United States Army

      Born on March 22, 1842, he served with the 6th United
    States Infantry. He died on August 11, 1900 (possibly killed
    in the Philippine Insurrection, those around him were), and
     was buried in Section 1 of Arlington National Cemetery.

     His wife, Hattie Myrick Whitney (June 17, 1859-June 8,
                  1903), is buried with him.

===================================

Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:51:51 -0800 From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Mary E. F. Hall To: [email protected]

I am enjoying my time in Boston and today I visited the Public Library and spent about 4 hours digging through books and maps so that I will be educated before my trek to Watertown tomorrow. While I was digging I found a book that I would like some input on.

To Robert Ward and Allen Green specifically: Have you reviewed? "Some Ancestors of John Prescott of Lancaster, Mass and John Whitney of Watertown, Mass" Compiled by Mary E.F. Hall, Brookline 1900.

This is a very war-torn, typewritten, bound compilation. She has some very interesting statements regarding proving that "the John Whitney who lived at Islesworth and emigrated to America in 1635 was identical with the John Whitney who livd in Westminster and was son of Thomas and Mary born 1592."

And of course she goes up the family tree to William 7th D. Normandy and Conqueror of England b. 1027!

Since she typed this manuscript cir 1900, did she already have her hands on Melville by then? Wasn't his book published cir 1896?

Let me know if this is old hat or if I need to go back to the library before I leave on Friday.

Thanks, Shawn

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:19:14 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]>

References: <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Re: Whitney family To: [email protected]

This is part of my Whitney line. I'm hoping someone out there can find a connection and supply me with a little more information. Oh, in case your wondering, I'm not on this list yet. I'm one of the daughters of Henry E. Whitney Jr.

Thank you,

Michele Marie Whitney Ball Leland Painter

> THE FAMILY OF AMOS AND HANNAH WHITNEY > > Amos Whitney b. 1794 Me., m. Hannah b. 1801 Me. > > CHILDREN: > > 1. Aesyut b. 1828. > > 2. *Ingerson b. 30 March 1824 Me., d. 3 January 1890 Hudson, Me., buried > Hudson, Me. > (Village), m. Celestia A. Gray, daughter of James and Mayhaler (Nutt) > Gray, b. 1839 > Bangor, Me., d. 22 June 1916 Bangor, Me., buried Hudson, Me. (Village). > > 3. Reginial b. 1829. > > 4. Prince E. b. 1830. > > 5. Mary E. b. 1832. > > 6. Matilda J. b. 1835. > > 7. William H. b. 1839. > > *Civil War > > Sources: > Kirkland Census 1850 > Hudson Census 1860 > Hudson Vital Records > Maine Archives > MOCA > > 11/13/1998 > THE FAMILY OF INGERSON AND CELESTIA A. (GRAY) WHITNEY > > *Ingerson Whitney, son of Amos and Hannah Whitney, b. 30 March 1824 Me., > d. 3 > January 1890 Hudson, Me., buried Hudson, Me. (Village), m. Celestia A. > Gray, daughter > of James and Mayhaler (Nutt) Gray, b. 1839 Bangor, Me., d. 22 June 1916 > Bangor, Me., > buried Hudson, Me. (Village). > > CHILDREN: > > 1. Matilda J. b. 30 August 1858 Hudson, Me. > > 2. Perley M. b. 4 February 1860 Hudson, Me., d. 30 January 1924 Bangor, > Me., buried > Bangor, Me. (Pine Grove), m. Elizabeth "Lizzie" L. Willey, daughter of > Llewellyn L. > Willey, b. 21 May 1867 Newport, Me., d. 8 November 1918 Bangor, Me., > buried > Bangor, Me. (Pine Grove). > > 3. Amos B. b. June 1862, d. 7 December 1875, buried Hudson, Me. > (Village), never > married. > > 4. Clody M. b. 1864. > > 5. Vertie R. b. 4 March 1866, d. 7 August 1866, buried Hudson, Me. > (Village), never > married. > > 6. Lindora b. 1867. > > 7. Nellie b. 1869, m. Roberts. > > 8. Norma m. Hathorn. > > 9. Malinda m. Goudy. > > 10. Bert A. b. 9 April 875 Hudson, Me. > > 11. Edmond D. b. 22 June 1877 Hudson, Me. > > *Civil War > > Sources: > Maine Archives > Hudson Vital Records > MOCA > Kirkland Census 1850 > Hudson Census 1860, 1870 > Bangor Daily > News > 11/13/1998 > THE FAMILY OF NORMAN EARL AND ETHEL M. (DAVIS) WHITNEY > > Norman Earl Whitney, son of Perley M. and Elizabeth L. (Willey) Whitney, > b. 12 July > 1893 Bangor, Me., d. February 1968, m. 12 August 1914 Bangor, Me. Ethel > M. Davis, > daughter of Otis A. and Caroline M. Davis, b. 1891 Bangor, Me., d. June > 1960. > > CHILDREN: > > 1. Elaine Margaret b. 26 April 1924 Bangor, Me., m.12 August 1944 > Bangor, Me. Harlan > F. Small, son of Irving W. and Geneva (Turner) Small, b. 1923 Bar > Harbor, Me. > > Sources: > Modern Maine Vol. IV by Family and Personal Records > Maine Marriages 1892-1966 > The Carmel and Hermon Town Register by Mitchell, Carroll & Gastonguay > Maine Archives > > 11/13/1998 > THE FAMILY OF PERLEY M. AND ELIZABETH L. (WILLEY) WHITNEY > > Perley M. Whitney, son of Ingerson and Celestia A. (Gray) Whitney, b. 4 > February 1860 > Hudson, Me. d. 30 January 1924 Bangor, Me., buried Bangor, Me. (Pine > Grove), m. > Elizabeth "Lizzie" L. Willey, daughter of Llewellyn Willey, b. 21 May > 1867 Newport, > Me., d. 8 November 1918 Bangor, Me., buried Bangor, Me. (Pine Grove). > > CHILDREN: > > 1. Norman Earl b. 12 July 1893 Bangor, Me., d. February 1968, m. 12 > August 1914 > Bangor, Me. Ethel M. Davis, daughter of Otis A. and Caroline M. Davis, > b. 1891 > Bangor, Me., d. June 1960. > > 2. Henry Eugene, Sr. b. 16 January 1903 Hermon, Me., m. 9 January 1923 > Bangor, Me. > Dorothy Olive DeBeck, daughter of Benjamin Waldo and Lillian H. (Day) > DeBeck, b. > 17 June 1902 Clifton, Me. > > Sources: > Bangor Vital Records > Modern Maine Vol. IV by Family and Personal Records > The Carmel and Hermon Town Register by Mitchell, Carroll & Gastonguay > Bangor Daily News > Maine Marriages 1892-1966 > Maine Archives > > 11/13/1998 > Copied from the Bangor Daily News > > January 31, 1924 edition Thursday > DIED > WHITNEY-In Bangor, Jan. 30, Perley M. Whitney, aged 64 years. Funeral > Friday at 2 > p.m. from residence of Norman E. Whitney, Wing street. > > The death of Perley M. Whitney occurred suddenly at his home, 507 > Hammond street, > Wednesday morning, following an attack of heart trouble, at the age of > 69 years. He is > survived by two sons, Norman E. and Henry E., both of this city; a > grandchild, Henry E., > Jr.; three sisters, Mrs. Norma Hathorn of Bangor, Mrs. Nellie Roberts of > Boston, and > Mrs. Malinda Goudy of Hudson; and one brother, Bert A. Whitney of > Kenduskeag. Mr. > Whitney was a member of the A. O. U. W. lodge and highly respected. > Funeral services will be held at the residence of his son, Norman > E. Whitney on Wing > street, Friday afternoon at 2 o'clock. > > > 11/13/1998 > > THE OF JOSEPH V. AND CHARITY WILLEY > > Joseph V. Willey b. 1807 Vt., m. Charity b. 1805 Me. > > CHILDREN: > > 1. Josephine C. b. 1834. > > 2. Melinda J. b. 1835. > > 3. Joseph Melvin W. b. 1838. > > 4. Georgine F. b. 1839. > > 5. Henry E. b. 1841. > > 6. *Llewellyn L. b. 6 August 1842 Corinna, Me., d. 11 August 1896 > Newport, Me., > buried Newport, Me. (Riverside), m. 1 January 1873 Newport, Me. Lizzie > S. Bennett, > daughter of Horace and Eliza (Spofford) Bennett, b. 26 January 1844 > Plymouth, Me., > d. 2 August 1914 Newport, Me., buried Newport, Me. (Riverside). > > 7. Charles Otis P. b. 1846. > > *Civil War > > Sources: > Corinna Census 1850, 1860 > Maine Archives > MOCA > > 11/15/1998 > THE FAMILY OF LLEWELLYN L. WILLEY > > *Llewellyn L. Willey, son of Joseph V. and Charity Willey, b. 6 August > 1842 Corinna, > Me., d. 11 August 1896 Newport, Me., buried Newport, Me. (Riverside), m. > 1 January > 1873 Newport, Me. Lizzie S. Bennett, daughter of Horace and Eliza > (Spofford) Bennett, > b. 26 January 1844 Plymouth, Me., d. 2 August 1914 Newport, Me., buried > Newport, Me. > (Riverside). > > CHILDREN: > > 1. Elizabeth "Lizzie" L. b. 21 May 1867 Newport, Me., d. 8 November 1918 > Bangor, > Me., buried Bangor, Me. (Pine Grove), m. Perley M. Whitney, son of > Ingerson and > Celestia A. (Gray) Whitney, b. 4 February 1859 Hudson, Me., d. 30 > January 1924 > Bangor, Me., buried Bangor, Me. (Pine Grove). > > *Civil War > > Sources: > Maine Archives > MOCA > Marriage Returns of Penobscot County, Maine by Ruth Gray > Bangor Daily News > > 11/15/1998 > > THE FAMILY OF JAMES AND MAYHALER (NUTT) GRAY > > James Gray b. 1811 Vt., m. Mayhaler Nutt b. 1810 St. Albans, Me. > > CHILDREN: > > 1. Christopher C. b. 1837, m. Rosanna b. 1839. > > 2. Celestia A. b. 1839 Bangor, Me., d. 22 June 1916 Bangor, Me., buried > Hudson, Me. (Village), > m. *Ingerson Whitney, son of Amos and Hannah Whitney, b. 30 March 1824 > Me., d. 3 January > 1890 Hudson, Me., buried Hudson, Me. (Village). > > 3. William C. b. 1844, m. 11 September 1880 Hudson, Me. Julia A. Green. > > 4. Samuel J. b. 1847. > > 5. Izadora E. b. 1849. > > 6. Frances A. b. 1852. > > 7. George A. b. 1855. > > Sources: > Hudson Census 1860 > Marriage Returns of Penobscot County, Maine by Ruth Gray > Maine Archives > > 11/15/1998

From: [email protected] Date: 12 Jan 1999 21:41:42 CST/CDT Subject: RE: [WHITNEY-L] Searching To: [email protected]

I have two George Whitneys (possibly the same person ???):

1. Pierce lists three sons of Richard(6), (Moses5 - Nathaniel4- Nathaniel3- Benjamin2- John1): Samuel, George, and Andrew Whitney.

2. The 1850 census for Milo & Sebec, ME, lists the following household members for a Richard Whitney: wife Martha (63), Sarah (31), Lucy (22), George (19), Alma (15), and John (7), all born in ME.

Any light that could be shed on these folks would be appreciated.

Greg Cote Edwards, IL

JA>Have you come across a George Whitney, may possibly be the son of Moses?

JA>-----Original Message----- JA>From: [email protected] [SMTP:[email protected]] JA>Sent: Monday, January 11, 1999 10:30 AM JA>To: [email protected] JA>Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Searching

JA>Hi Sally,

JA>I've posted this request before, without much luck, but here's my JA>"problem Whitney": I'm seeking the parents and ancestors of Andrew A. JA>Whitney, b. 4 June 1823 (?), possibly in Milo, ME. He m. Mary Livermore JA>of Milo, and died in New Brunswick in April, 1875. Mary came back to JA>Milo with the children. Andrew's father MAY have been Richard Whitney, JA>son of Moses, but I have no proof. Any info would be appreciated.

JA>Greg Cote

JA>SN>Whitney List Members

JA>SN>My name is Sally Whitney Towns, from Wayne, Maine, and have just finished JA>SN>tracing our line of the Whitney family. We are now looking to gather JA>SN>information on other members of the same line. JA>SN>When I first started tracing our line, I was able to start with John(1) a JA>SN>go back easily, but to move forward was much more difficult. Our line is JA>SN>Benjamin(2), John(1); and it seems that this line has not been documented JA>SN>well past Benjamin's children. JA>SN>So if your out there we are looking to try to piece this line together; JA>SN>especially if your line came out of Maine at some point; we would greatly JA>SN>appreciate hearing from you. We have access to much Whitney data form Ma JA>SN>and would love to share.

JA>SN>Sally Whitney Towns JA>SN>Homer(9) John(8) James (7) Solomon (6) Joseph (5) Abel (4) Nathaniel (3) JA>SN>Benjamin (2) JA>SN>John (1)

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I told her my family and referred her to Whitney Family Genealogy Web sight. Can someone tell her anything more. Barbara in Sacto.

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From: [email protected] (Kris Jardine) To: <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney family in Shelby Co., IA Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:27:02 -0700

I found as reading through the Whitney family forum,and found a message by you stating that you have a Whitney family in Shelby Co., IA. Can you help? I am looking for an Esther A. Whitney from that area. All that I have is that she married William Ned Gray on Jan 18,1888. She died around 1863. I know nothing of her family except that her father or grandfather is supposed to be a brohter to Eli Whitney, the man who invented the cotto= n gin. This is just family story, passed down, don't know if it is true or not, trying to find out. Any information will help. You can contact me a= t [email protected] Thanks Kris Jardine

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:48:27 -0500 From: Robert Morrison <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] James Whitney, Vermont To: [email protected]

I am looking for information on the following family:

Whitney, James, 31, born in Vermont

     J????, 29, born in Vermont (wife)
     Wilber, 7, born in Vermont (son)
     Charles,4, born in Vermont (son)
     James Jr., 7/12, born in Vermont (son)

This information is from the 1850 Bristol, Addison County, Vermont Census. Any help greatly appreciated.

Robert Morrison Statesboro, Ga.

Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:07:10 -0500 (EST) From: Barry Whitney <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] John Whitney b. ~1946 To: [email protected]

This is an excerpt from a letter I received today by snail mail. Does anyone know this John Whitney she seeks?

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Dear John Whitney: I am searching for a John Whitney regarding an important family matter. The John Whitney I am looking for is approximately 52-54 years of age and was stationed in Korea for military service around 1968-71. The man I am looking for returned to Korea in 1972 to reunite with his daughter and her mother.

Ann Marshe PO Box 1560 Honolulu, HI 96806

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:48:13 +0700 From: Walter Harwood <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] WHITNEY, James; Born December 28, 1692; Probably MA To: [email protected]

Good morning to the WHITNEY list members,

   My WHITNEY database shows the subject JAMES WHITNEY with two sets of

parents. The first are JOHN and MARY (HAPGOOD) WHITNEY, and the second are JONATHAN and SARAH (HAPGOOD) WHITNEY. I suppose it is possible that there were two JAMES WHITNEY's born on the same date, but it would be a real coincidence.

   If anyone on the list has any information they are willing to share,

it would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Rick in Thailand

Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:15:42 -0600 From: Margie and George Parker <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Re: James Whitney, b 1692 To: [email protected]

I am sure that Robert will be able to supply Rick in Thailand with the definitive word on the parents of James. Pierce says that they were John and Mary (Hapgood) WHitney. Pierce also says that Jonathan and Sarah (Hapgood) Whitney had a daughter Mar 2 1692 (and that the children were born about two years apart), which makes it unlikely that there was a child in December 1692.

George Parker

Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:10:31 -0500 From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif">

Subject: [WHITNEY-L] I'm Ba-a-a-ack! To: [email protected]

Dear colleagues,

If you haven't heard from me in some time, it is because I suffered a catastrophic computer failure. Apparently something went wrong with my motherboard, and I couldn't even boot up my computer. My son Roger, the computer science major at the University of Maryland, convinced me that fixing my old 486 DX66 with five year old peripherals was not a good economic decision, so we decided to Upgrade. This has not been an easy process, but I will spare you the gory details. Suffice it to say that I now am back up with improved hardware capacities, and caught up reading my back e-mail (about 700 messages!).

My genealogical database program, The Master Genealogist (TMG), is not yet installed, but my browser is, and my FTP utility to service my website at Erol's. Once I get TMG back up, I will be able to answer queries more readily. In the meantime, all I can do is to refer questions to my WHITNEY website, at <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/>.

My fervent wish is that this never happens to any of you! Remember to make a back-up of everything you care about! I know it takes time and effort, but it is a form of insurance, for which you will be glad when the need arises.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659 <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/index.html

From: Amanda Carbery <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:51:42 +1100 Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Witney at Chinnor, Oxon Wng To: [email protected]

Hello everyone

I received the following letter from a Bob ([email protected]). My Witneys are in Chinnor a little earllier (sailing to Australia in 1843) but I am hoping someone else out there may be able to help this fellow.

Please email him directly at [email protected]

Regards Mandy

Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 17:49:38 -0800 >From: Your Name <[email protected]> >Organization: Golden Triangle On Line >To: [email protected] >Subject: Your search for Witney at Chinnor, Oxon Wng >X-URL: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/Genea/rsluser?mandyc > >Hi, my name is Bob Witney and I live in Ontario Canada. My grandfather >was James Witney, from Oakley, near Chinnor. He wae the son of Charles >and Mary Christine Witney and was born 14 Sept 1870. He married a Lucy >Witney (a distant relative) from Redland End, Buckinghamshire (approx 10 >miles from Chinnor) and emigrated to Canada in 1908. > >I have much more material on Lucy Witney's family but very little on >Jim's. I'd certainly appreciate hearing how your research is going and if >you have any more info. I'd also be glad to share more with you. > >All the best > >Bob >

Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 07:30:26 -0800 From: Marcia <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] George Whitney To: [email protected]

In Pierce's book under a listing for George Whitney it states that two of his daughters married young men named Titus. My maiden name is Whitney, and though George is not in my line, I do have his two daughters marrying Titus siblings of my Titus ancestor. A reference in another book tells me that the two Whitney girls were the daughters of George Whitney, of Natick.

 Indeed, one of them has a son 'George Whitney Titus.'    However, the

George in quesiton is NOT the son of Jason and Lois of Natick.

There is a George married in Plainfield, Hampshire Co. to Miriam Hunt. One of the Titus wives is named Miriam and the other Almera. Vital records for Cummington in Hampshire Co show an Almira, dau. of Geo/Miriam b. 3 Sept. 1796. And an IGI ext. for CT shows Mariam b. 17 May 1801 in Ellington, Tolland, CT. Another source gives her born in Natick.

I cannot find George/Miriam on the John Whitney listings on the Whitney site. Can anyone help me further with this family??

Thank you very much.

Marcia Whitney Green

Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:16:45 -0500 From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] George Whitney To: [email protected]

At 07:30 AM 1/17/99 -0800, you wrote: >In Pierce's book under a listing for George Whitney it states that two of >his daughters married young men named Titus. My maiden name is Whitney, >and though George is not in my line, I do have his two daughters marrying >Titus siblings of my Titus ancestor. A reference in another book tells me >that the two Whitney girls were the daughters of George Whitney, of Natick. > Indeed, one of them has a son 'George Whitney Titus.' However, the >George in quesiton is NOT the son of Jason and Lois of Natick. > >There is a George married in Plainfield, Hampshire Co. to Miriam Hunt. >One of the Titus wives is named Miriam and the other Almera. >Vital records for Cummington in Hampshire Co show an Almira, dau. of >Geo/Miriam b. 3 Sept. 1796. And an IGI ext. for CT shows Mariam b. 17 May >1801 in Ellington, Tolland, CT. Another source gives her born in Natick. > >I cannot find George/Miriam on the John Whitney listings on the Whitney >site. Can anyone help me further with this family?? > >Thank you very much. > >Marcia Whitney Green

Marcia,

Your George WHITNEY was George-7 WHITNEY, son of Ephraim-6 and Sarah (WOOD) WHITNEY [David-5, Nathaniel-4, Nathaniel-3, John-2, John-1], born 22 Feb 1772, Natick, MA. His intentions of marriage with Miriam HUNT were published at Medfield, MA, 8 Aug 1795, husband called "of Plainfield". I had no data on their children, so what you give above is very helpful.

For the vital records quoted above, see

 <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/mass/combined/g.html>

For the ancestry of George-7, see

 <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/john/john14.html#i572>

Some of the Barbour Collection abstracts appear at this address:

 <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/conn/bbrindex.html>

There is found in the Ellington Vital Records, 1:20, several of their children, whom I had not yet connected with George-7 above.

Can you give data about the TITUS spouses of these two daughters?

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659 <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/index.html

Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:01:56 -0800 From: knights <[email protected]>

       "Peter O'Malley" <[email protected]>,
       Northeast <[email protected]>

Subject: [WHITNEY-L] WHITNEY, John in May Brockway Bentley's manuscript To: [email protected]

I recently received copies of the index for "BROCKWAY AND RELATED COLONIAL FAMILIES" by May Brockway Bentley, Ed. M. Pub. 1993

There is a listing as follows:

Whitney, John, b. ca. 1719/20 m. Deborah Smith, 1750/51 pg 42.

Does anyone have a copy of this manuscript and is willing to look this up to see what info is contained here?

Is anyone familiar with this pair? children, etc.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Colleen Knights

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Hi Guys,

I have the list set up so that you can't post if you're not a subscriber. But

I get a copy of what they try and send. If it's relevant, like this I'll forward it on.

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From: [email protected] (Doris Livngstone) Old-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:40:29 -0500 (EST) To: [email protected] Subject: {not a subscriber} Whitney & Lamphere

I have that Hannah b: 6 Sept 1754 m 1st. Roswell Chidsey of East Haven, Ct. She m:2nd John Whitney of Branford, Ct. on 26 Jun 1810 .They are both buried in the Old Graveyard in Branford, not one fourth mile east of their house.He d: 8 Sept 1835, age 82. She d: 15 Jul 1844 of fits at age 90. Have information on her parents if you would like it. Doris

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From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 06:25:21 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Children of Timothy & Alice, m. 20 May 1752 To: [email protected]

Dear WRG:

I got into the Petersham VR's last night, working on something else, and noted the large number of children of Timothy-5 Whitney (Jonas-4, Moses-3, Richard-2, John-1) and his wife, Alice-5 Whitney (Jonathan-4, Richard-3, Richard-2, John-1). I looked at the records in the database and noted that the first four children were born in Harvard, and the remainder of the 15 in Petersham. I also noted that the dates in the database were not in agreement with those in the Petersham VR's. What was particularly curious was that the day and month agreed, but the year was off, usually by just one year. Further, the dates in the Petersham VR's (seemingly later entries) for the births that took place in Harvard were also different from those printed in the Harvard VR's.

I don't know who contributed these children and this family to the general database of the descendants of John & Elinor, but the place of birth was not present for a number of the entries, and no sources were included. Also, one child (Otis) who appears in the Petersham VR's was omitted from the list of children. What I am inquiring about with this note is, is it possible that another source (such as a family bible) has conflicting data with respect to the dates (years) of birth of the fifteen children.

I would welcome a note from whomever submitted this line originally. As it appears in the database, the line continues through both the third child, Simon, and the tenth child, Jonathan.

Allan E. Green "Si hoc legere scis niminium eruditionis habes." Barbourville, KY (1) [email protected], (2) [email protected] "A family tree can wither if nobody tends its roots"

From: "Glydie Ann Nelson" <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:47:02 -0900 Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Affy Whitney To: [email protected]

I am still looking for Affey Whitney who apparently was born in Washington County, NY. I have no birth date but she had at a child in 1820. She was married to Rev. David Preston. Is there anyone on this list who can help me with this family?

Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:58:09 -0800 From: Marcia <[email protected]>

Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Lanesboro Whitneys To: [email protected]

>From: Marcia <[email protected]> >Subject: Lanesboro Whitneys > >Lanesboro, Massachusetts, Census Records, 1790-1920 > >Field Search Matches [Any] WHITNEY 7 > > >7 Combined Matches >Year Page Line Surname Given Name Age Birthplace > >1880 10 19 Whitney Abbie G. 39 Mass > >1870 31 24 Whitney Chas B. 42 Mass > >1860 14 30 Whitney Richard 59 Mass > > >1790 28 Whitney Timothy > >1820 176 8 Whitney Timothy > >1830 456 9 Whitney Timothy > >1840 132 20 Whitney Timothy > > > > > > > > >

From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:13:35 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Margaret A. Whitney...Somerset County, ME. To: [email protected]

Hello: I haven't posted this name in a long time. Looking for anything on a Margaret A. Whitney, Married Charles Greenleaf Ramsdell Aug 31, 1870 in Hartland ME.

I believe that she is the sister of Sumner Whitney who married an Augusta Wyman on the same day in a double ceremony. He remained in Hartland and died there 9/28/1918. He was born in Palmyra ME. cir.1842 the son of Edward Whitney (from either Belgrade or Lisbon ME.) and Annie Knox.

Margaret is my G-grandmother. She divorced and remarried a Charlie A Welch 9/27/1884 and dropped out of sight. I assume she is related to Edward and Annie Whitney but have been unable to find any info in the VR of Palmyra .

If anyone has any info on this lady please drop me a line. Thanks in advance!!!!

Jeff [email protected]

Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:28:12 -0800 From: Astrahan family <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Wade Whitney and Malissa Combs To: [email protected]

Here is some additional information I found about the sister of Silas Combs of Holt Co, MO.

In the 1860 Richardson Co, NE census

495 484 Whitney Wade H 33 M Farmer MO

    Melessa 26 f KY
    I.N.      5 m MO
    James M   4 m MO
    Wm A 3 m NE

Also listed in marriages in Richarson Co, NE

Thomas Whitney and Martha Kingscade 9/10/1865. I believe that this is the son of Thomas Whitney and Susan(na) born 1845 in Holt Co.

Still looking for Silas Combs.

Cheri Astrahan

Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:59:25 -0800 From: Paul & Brenda Nichols <[email protected]>

       [email protected]

Subject: [WHITNEY-L] WHITNEY/GLIDDEN SIBLINGS To: [email protected]

Hi.

 My wifes gmother, MAE ELLA WHITNEY was born in 1890 in Sharon

Springs, Ks. Her mother was MARY ELLA GLIDDEN and her father was DARIUS THOMAS WHITNEY. Can't find anything about them.

                WORD OF MOUTH STORY FOLLOWS:

 Two WHITNEY brothers from N.Y. married two GLIDDEN sisters from

Maine, probably in the 1870's. Both couples had children then moved to Kansas...pioneers, I suppose. After some time, DARRIUS's wife died and MARY's husband died. They then had at least one more child who was my wifes grandmother, MAE ELLA WHITNEY.

 Anybody have any information about these rather odd happenings?

 Thanks for any consideration.

 Paul of San Diego

Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:29:32 -0800 From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] WHITNEY/GLIDDEN SIBLINGS References: <[email protected]> To: [email protected]

Well I don't think this connects, but it sure is a striking coincidence:

In my NY WHITNEY line I have two WHITNEY brothers: Charles William WHITNEY b. 1854 NY and Frank Ami WHITNEY b. 1858 NY

who each married PARKER sisters: Charles to Emma M. PARKER b. 1858 England and Frank to Ada F. PARKER b. 1856 England

and they all were in KANSAS on the 1910 census.

Strange facts: 2 Whitney brothers to 2 Parker sisters in New York and removed to Kansas around same time probably as yours.

Oh well. Good luck with your search. Shawn Whitney Seattle WA

Paul & Brenda Nichols wrote:

> Hi. > > My wifes gmother, MAE ELLA WHITNEY was born in 1890 in Sharon > Springs, Ks. Her mother was MARY ELLA GLIDDEN and her father was > DARIUS THOMAS WHITNEY. Can't find anything about them. > > WORD OF MOUTH STORY FOLLOWS: > > Two WHITNEY brothers from N.Y. married two GLIDDEN sisters from > Maine, probably in the 1870's. Both couples had children then > moved to Kansas...pioneers, I suppose. After some time, DARRIUS's > wife died and MARY's husband died. They then had at least one more > child who was my wifes grandmother, MAE ELLA WHITNEY. > > Anybody have any information about these rather odd happenings? > > Thanks for any consideration. > > Paul of San Diego

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:56:47 -0500 From: Charles R Dennett <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Looking for Henry Martin Whitney and John Dudley Whitney To: [email protected]

Hello fellow Whitneys

My mother is a Whitney and from her and a distant cousin who found me on the net, I've got some Whitney data. All this data, along with everything else I have is on my web pages at http://members.aol.com/cdennett/genealogy. Although it's called the Dennett Family History, there is some Whitney data there, too.

My grandfather and gr-grandfather were both named Charles Forrest Whitney. Charles Sr. was the son of Henry Martin Whitney and Cora Fiske.

Henry was the son of John Dudley Whitney and Elizabeth Doughty.

I have a copy of Pierce's Whitney book but have not been able to locate these Whitneys in it. Several of these Whitneys and their siblings seems to be concentrated in Concord, Mass and in fact my grandparents and gr-grandparents are buried there in Sleepy Hollow Cemetary.

I've searched the various Whitney web sites for these people but have come up empty. if anyone can supply any info, I would be grateful. Whatever I already have is there for anyone. As I said above, all my data is on the web. There's not much Whitney data, but maybe what's there will help someone.

-- Charlie Dennett - Rochester, NY Dennett Family History - http://members.aol.com/cdennett/genealogy Colonial ME/NH to present. Please reply to [email protected]

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:52:50 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]>

Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney GEDCOM To: [email protected]

ME TOO!!!!!

Michele Whitney Ball Leland Painter

Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:37:58 -0800 From: Paul & Brenda Nichols <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] WHITNEY WILLS To: [email protected]

Hi all.

 on ancestry.com free databases is:

New York City Wills, 1760-1766

 A search for Whitney shows 2 entries..not terribly informative,

but better than nothing.

 Paul of San Diego

From: "dwhit01" <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:10:57 -0800 Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney Unknown To: [email protected]

Looking for name of female Whitney in Boston Ma area abt 1860 raised a James C Whitney born Boston 1850. Probably lived in in Waltham, Cambridge,and Watertown at her death. Her birthdate abt 1830 d abt1890's [email protected]

From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:44:53 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney GEDCOM To: [email protected]

Please send me the Whitney Gedcom file

Thank you

Carole Ann Farley

From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:08:35 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] RE: Whitney GEDCOM To: [email protected]

Hi List: Didn't know there was such a GEDCOM floating around... Would appreciate receiving it as well ;-) Thanks Kim Schildwachter

From: "Mary Ann Froelich" <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:13:20 -0600 Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney GED-Com To: [email protected]

Would appreciate getting the Whitney GED-Com. Thank you. Mary Ann Froelich

From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:54:42 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Marriage Date Eben. Whitney & Rachel P. Rawson - 1776 or 1786? To: [email protected]

Dear Northeast-Rooters and Whitney Research Group:

In the Uxbridge Vital Records, our Whitney extracts show the marriage of Ebenezer Whitney and Rachel Paine Rawson is shown as:

Ebenezer of Montague, and Rachel Paine Rawson, Dec. 28, 1776

but in the Montage Vital Records, our Whitney extracts show this marriage as:

Ebenezer, of M., and Rachel Parne Rawson of Uxbridge, Dec. 28, 1786.*

Since the Montage VR's show Ebenezer as born 24 Mar 1764, I am inclined to believe the 1786 date.

Could someone with access to the complete Uxbridge Vital Records please check the date and see if it was transcribed incorrectly when the Whitney records were extracted? Further, while looking in that source, perhaps a birth date for Rachel Paine/Parne Rawson might also be found and shed some light on this matter.

Thank you in advance for your kindness and courtesy.

Allan E. Green

From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:12:24 EST Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney GED-Com To: [email protected]

I would love to have a copy of the Whitney GED-com too. Can you tell me how to write for one?

Mary Anne in LA

From: "Sally Towns" <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:23:10 -0500 Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney GEDCOM To: [email protected]

Hi Just saw messages about GEDCOM on Whitney's--would also like to receive file.

Thank You Sally Whitney Towns, Maine

From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:41:32 EST Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney GEDCOM To: [email protected]

Carole:

Which one? The descendants of John and Elinor of Watertown (1635). Or, the descendants of Henry Whitney of Southolds, LI and Norwalk, CT (1640's)? Or the Southern Whitneys (VA, 1730's on)

From: [email protected] (Norris) Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney GEDCOM Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 04:06:41 GMT References: <[email protected]> To: [email protected]

On Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:52:50 +0000, you wrote:

>ME TOO!!!!!

As far as I know, the Whitney gedcom (blood and spouse only in one fell swoop) has always been available, at least in portions, at the Gumby database at the Whitney page. I've never used it, but one of the options of that kind of database is the downloading of a family, descendant report, ancestral report, or results of a find operation in gedcom form.

Norris

-- Silver Bullet <[email protected]> Home Page: http://members.aol.com/ntgen/index.html

From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:15:58 EST Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney GEDCOM To: [email protected]

Carole Ann Farley wrote:

The John and Elinor one....thanks

Carole:

In that case, for the John and Elinor GEDCOM, you (and all others who expressed a desire for this particular one) need to write to Jon Aston, who is the keeper of the J&E database. His e-mail address is:

[email protected]

His usual practice is that when he accumulates what looks like all the requests at one particular time, he then sends the GEDCOM as an attachment to an e-mail to everyone who has requested it - all at the same time instead of having to upload it separately several times.

The other Whitney list members who are responsible for the other two databases and GEDCOMS tend to operate the same way.

Write to me again if there is anything else I can do to help you.

Allan E. Green

Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:46:55 -0500 (EST) From: Barry Whitney <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney GEDCOM To: [email protected]

Dear Norris and others,

The latest update of the database of which I am aware is Witney13.GED. Members of the Whitney-L list can contact John Aston <[email protected]> to find out how to get the latest version.

Yours, Barry

John Barry Whitney III

<http://members.tripod.com/~bwhitney> Genealogy Search Suggestions

 (some are Whitney-specific)

North Augusta, SC http://npntserver.mcg.edu/bwhitney/n/

On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Norris wrote: > As far as I know, the Whitney gedcom (blood and spouse only in one ... > Silver Bullet <[email protected]> > Home Page: http://members.aol.com/ntgen/index.html > ---------------------------------------

From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:18:58 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Southern Whitney GEDCOM To: [email protected]

If any of you need the gedcom for the Bermuda-VA-NC-KY Whitneys I have it. As a matter of fact I've just gotten through sorting through much new info from a trip a Salt Lake City.

Let me know,
Michael Whitney

From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:27:26 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] GED com To: [email protected]

Kindly also send me a copy of the WHitney GED com.

Thanks, Jim Whitney

From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:33:27 -0800 Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney GedCom To: [email protected]

Yes...please send me a copy of the Whitney GedCom.... Thanks, JudyAnn Lairson [email protected]

Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:00:34 -0500 From: Michael Roman <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Westborough, MA To: [email protected]

For any others with Whitneys from early Westborough, you should know about the Parkman Diary. This is the diary of the town's minister and contains lots of personal information and also clues to wives' origins. It had the key to prove the parentage of Mary Child, wife of Nathaniel Whitney.

The American Antiquarian Society had the diary published through 1755, and it's available through Oak Knoll Press, if memory serves me. Disclaimer: I have no financial interest in the book (but would love to see the other 25 years worth get published!).

Michael http://pw2.netcom.com/~mj_roman/whitney.htm

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:50:22 -0500 From: Mary Stuart Parks <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Re: Whitney Gedcom To: [email protected]

May I have a copy also? Thanks, Mary S. Parks

From: [email protected] (Norris) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 03:00:30 GMT Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Gumby is Broken !! To: [email protected]

To Whom It May Concern:

The search engine for the Whitney database is broke.

I couldn't get any results yesterday and thought I'd give it a day and ole Gumby is still broken....

Simple first name searches for John and Nathaniel give nothing.

Norris

-- Silver Bullet <[email protected]> Home Page: http://members.aol.com/ntgen/index.html

From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 03:08:32 EST Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney GedCom To: [email protected]

Dear WRG members:

I guess I wasn't clear in my last posting. There are THREE different Whitney databases, each maintained by someone different. If you wish to request a copy of any or all of the three, then you need to specify which one it is you need or want. The latest version of the database of the descendants of John and Elinor of Watertown is called "Whitny13". The other two are the CTWhitney database and the southern Whitney database (about which there was a post today from Michael Ray Whitney).

Just asking for "the Whitney Gedcom" leaves the question of which one it is you need unclear.

Allan E. Green

Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:19:48 -0600 From: pj Thompson <[email protected]> Organization: MAMA THOMPSON'S WEAKLEY COUNTY, TN FRONT PORCH Subject: [WHITNEY-L] gedcom To: [email protected]

Please send me the "Southern Whitney" gedcom........thank you......pj

-- Paula (pj) Howard Thompson [email protected] Listowner of Weakley County, Tennessee Native of Weakley County, Tennessee Home Page http://www.apex.net/users/pj/mama.htm (Under Construction)

Please take a look at this url about half way down look for "The Way They Lived......pj Thompson Shares" Hope you enjoy!! http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnstewar/index.htm

My Surnames of Weakley County, Tennessee McCLAIN JONES McCLURE MORRISON STARK/STARKS TIBBS JOHNSON KEMP HART HOWARD HUNGERFORD ALDERDICE WILLIAMS

"May we all dig ours Roots to form the Branches of our Tree"

From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:23:58 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Last word (I hope) on GEDCOMs To: [email protected]

Dear WRG:

I just got the following message from (I think) a new member.

Allan

Received your first Whitney GECCom and found my ancestors. Many thanks. Would like to receive the other two Whitney data files if at all possible.

While I appreciate the thanks, I didn't send the GEDCOM. I assume that probably Jon Aston sent it in response to the recent surge of message traffic on the list on this subject. I seem to be suffering from communications dysfunction lately. I somehow have not made it clear that am NOT the one who keeps any of the databases, I'm just a loudmouth who keeps posting stuff to the list frequently.

The "Watertown - John & Elinor" database GEDCOM is kept up by Jon Aston, whose e-mail address is [email protected]

The "Southern Whitney" database is kept up by Michael Ray Whitney, our listowner, whose e-mail address is [email protected]

The "CT Whitney" database, for the descendants of Henry Whitney (1640's) USED to be kept by Jeanne Muse, but several months ago she had to give it up following some changes in her family situation. I'm sorry to say that I have misplaced the message that told me who took over from her, but I know that someone did. I hope that someone will post their identification to the list for my benefit and that of what seems to be a lot of recently acquired fellow WRGers.

Michael - how many members do we have now? The last time you sent me a list and I counted it was right around 200.

Happy Hunting to all!

Allan E. Green "Si hoc legere scis niminium eruditionis habes." Barbourville, KY IBSSG (Charter) [email protected], [email protected] "Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census."

Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:55:15 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]>

Subject: [WHITNEY-L] [Fwd: "Recollections" by Henry E. Whitney Sr.] To: [email protected]

Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:38:59 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: "Recollections" by Henry E. Whitney Sr.

This is my grandfathers memories that he started shortly before he died. He doesn't get very far, but I thought that maybe some of you on the list might enjoy reading about Maine in the early 1900's. He mentions a couple of different family names. If anything strikes home with anybody, please contact me so I can make note.

Enjoy,

Michele Marie Whitney Ball Leland Painter

PART I

    I was born 1-16-1903 in Hermon, Maine.  Our house was the second house

from the Bangor city line. About 1/4 mile farther was Northern Maine Jct. where there was a general store, blacksmith shop and barber. The Jct. was the crossing of the Maine Central RR and the Bangor-Aroostook RR. In those days hobos traveled on the railroad, so there were many around.

    There was a platform by our side door and the trunk was right on it.

One day a hobo came to the door and wanted a drink. Mother (Elizabeth "Lizzie" Willey) told him the pump and dipper were right there but he wanted to come in. We had a big black shaggy dog and mother opened the door and the dog grabbed the man by the arm and led him right out to the road. Mother said we weren't bothered by hobos so much after that.

    At this time father (Perley M. Whitney) was what was called a "Tipper"

unloading coal vessels on the Penobscot River in Bangor. He stood on a high platform and ran an engine that lowered a big tub down into the boat -- men shoveled it full and then he pulled it up and tipped it over into big carts that men pushed back and dumped into a big pile. When the river froze and no boats came in, he worked for the railroad. He did this 19 years.

    When I was two they changed the method of unloading coal so father

bought a farm that was on 3/4 mile from the electric car line in Bangor. This farm was only 66 acres and two acres woodlot. It is now just about in the center of Bangor International Airport. Flavius O. Beal, who owned the Bangor House, used this farm to raise hogs for meat for the dining room and we found many pieces of silver, spoons mostly, that got thrown into the garbage and fed to the hogs. They all had his name engraved on them.

    Across the road was another farm where he kept his cows to furnish

milk, cream, and butter for the hotel. On one side of our farm only a couple hundred feet away was a house on one acre of land. A nice family by the name of Thornton lived there. Their son and daughter lived with them and were both very good singers. The daughter graduated from high school and worked as a secretary. I thought she was a very pretty blonde. She was engaged to a nice fellow but was not very well and died when I was around 8 or 9. They were very musical and had an organ and sang about every evening after I had gone to bed. My bedroom was on the side of the house next to them and I enjoyed the singing very much.

    On the other side, only slightly farther away, was a family by the name

of Runnels whom I worked for a lot. His uncle was Mr. Handy of Handy & Reardon, wholesale grocers in Boston. They built a small canning factory and when I was large enough I used to pick string beans and later ran a machine by hand that cut them in inch pieces. Sometime later I was promoted to working in the facotry and I remember best stuffing beet greens into tin cans that had an opening of only 1 1/2".

    There was a pine grove on his farm, probably 10 or 15 acres, where I

used to play and sleep out in same. On the other side was a little larger grove that had a swimming hole back of it. I was forbidden to go there but did go once in a while.

    Mr. Runnels' father lived with them.  He was a Civil War vet and used

to come over and talk to father quite often. I enjoyed his stories but was not allowed to hear all of them. I enjoyed father's stories, too. His father (Ingerson Whitney) was sick and died early and as father was the oldest boy he went to work. I remember he worked for some time at a farm for 50 cents a week. When he was 13 he went to work in the woods peeling wood pulp. He was brought up in Hudson, Me., about 18 miles from Bangor. His mother (Celestia A. Gray) used to get pieces for men's suits in Bangor and sew them together. As I Remember, if she sewed about all week she got $2.

    Father went lumbering in Michigan and drove team. He said he had seen

several pair of horses go right down the side of the mountain when they couldn't hold the load of logs back with the help of a brake they rigged upon the sleds. He said he never lost a team. After this he cooked for a while on a freighter on the Great Lakes. I doubt if he did this more than one trip as he tried to make biscuits after mother died but they wouldn't take any prize.

Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:06:05 -0800 From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Pierce's WHITNEYS To: [email protected]

I would like to throw out an idea. ITS ONLY an idea. I have a copy of Pierce's book. As anyone knows, it is a photocopy of a bad printing. Since it was completed in approx. 1895, the index, to say the least, stinks. That is to be expected and please don't think that I am not grateful to Mr. Pierce. However, there have been many times over the past 8 years that I have wished with all my might that there was a way to search this darn book.

Since the WRG is slowly building a vast GEDCOM anyway, has anyone ever thought about transcribing this thing onto a database? Perhaps we could have a Gedcom copy "as the book is" and then use that in conjunction with the "corrected" database that is currently being kept.

I realize that this would be a HUGE project but maybe several or even many of us could work on it together and it would only take....maybe another 100 years..... to get it in. But what a boon that would be for us. Sometimes I just can't bring myself to look up one more Jonathan or Elizabeth in this BOOKKKKK.

With the book over 100 years old, there is no problem with copyright is there?

Blurrrry-eyed in Seattle, Shawn Whitney

PS. Allan, can you send me the gedcom please......oh, just kidding. :-o

From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:54:28 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney Gedcom To: [email protected]

Could you please send me the Whitmey gedcom also? Thanks Laish A. Morse NH/VT USA

Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:16:24 -0700 From: "W.G. \"Bill\" Whitney" <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Eli Whitney and the Cotton Gin To: [email protected]

Dear Whitney relatives:

My son's History Professor told him that Eli Whitney didn't really invent the cotton gin. It was invented by a woman. But women weren't allowed to raise patents in those days, so Eli took the invention and patented it instead. This must have something to do with the fact that Eli was told about all the green river cotton that was unuseable by the lady of the Plantation where he was a guest.

Does anyone know where this story started?

From: "Marion Leska" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Pierce's WHITNEYS Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:31:21 -0800 To: [email protected]

Shawn; Great idea! I volunteer for the LAST ten pages (655 to 664) and if that goes well, I'd accept assignment of another ten. I know that there are several copies of the book within our group--maybe others would volunteer. Maybe we could do it as a database--I use Microsoft Works. Let me know. Marion Whitney Leska P.S. Mine was one of Pierce's infamous errors, so my family only appears correctly from about 1810 with no connector generation-sob,sob,sob. M

Original Message-----

From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 7:14 PM Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Pierce's WHITNEYS

>I would like to throw out an idea. ITS ONLY an idea. I have a copy of >Pierce's book. As anyone knows, it is a photocopy of a bad printing. >Since it was completed in approx. 1895, the index, to say the least, >stinks. That is to be expected and please don't think that I am not >grateful to Mr. Pierce. However, there have been many times over the >past 8 years that I have wished with all my might that there was a way >to search this darn book. > >Since the WRG is slowly building a vast GEDCOM anyway, has anyone ever >thought about transcribing this thing onto a database? Perhaps we could >have a Gedcom copy "as the book is" and then use that in conjunction >with the "corrected" database that is currently being kept. > >I realize that this would be a HUGE project but maybe several or even >many of us could work on it together and it would only take....maybe >another 100 years..... to get it in. But what a boon that would be for >us. Sometimes I just can't bring myself to look up one more Jonathan or >Elizabeth in this BOOKKKKK. > >With the book over 100 years old, there is no problem with copyright is >there? > >Blurrrry-eyed in Seattle, >Shawn Whitney > >PS. Allan, can you send me the gedcom please......oh, just kidding. :-o >

Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:42:32 -0800 From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]>

Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Henry Austin Whitney To: [email protected]

If anyone is interested, I just returned from Boston where I spent 3 days at the NEHGS. I copied a few things while I was there. I copied the entire "little" book or "memoranda" by Henry Austin Whitney regarding the English ancestries. I don't know how much of this was quoted in his other works. I just found it fascinating to look at. He complied this work in 1859 and as his introductory note says

"The following pages, relating to Families of the name of WHITNEY, in England, are, in part, the result of a search made by Mr. Samuel Austin Whitney, of Glasboro, New Jersey, in 1856, and since continued by H.G. Somerby, Esq., to ascertain the parentage of John Whitney, who, with his wife Elinor and five sons, embarked at London in the month of April, 1635, for New England, and who settled in Watertown in the following June, where he continued to dwell until his death in 1673. A greater part of the material here given is irrelevant to the subject of the search; but the information is curious in itself, and may prove of service to others. Ten copies have been printed".

And this crumbly old this is one of the ten originals. I copied all 12 pages which consist of 15 or 16 family trees that he had put together from English records of everybody he could find named Whitney. Anything anybody wants?

I also have the first four pages of the "Ancestors and Descendants of Theodore Roosevelt Whitney" - Profile of an African American Family. The pages I copied are the ones that refer to the original roots of this family name and the speculation that these Whitneys are descended from slaves owned by the descendants of John and Elinor Whitney. I was interested in this considering the current events re: Thomas Jefferson and his African American descendants.

I also copied a few pages of the PARKHURST genealogy. Esther PARKHURST m. Jonathan-5 WHITNEY (Jonathan-4, Jonathan-3, Benjamin-2, John-1)

I also copied various articles on the BOSWORTH line which is a few branches up the wife of Jonathan-4 (Lydia JONES)

Anyone interested in any of this stuff?

Let me know, Shawn Whitney

From: [email protected] Date: 27 Jan 1999 08:34:32 CST/CDT Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Pierce's WHITNEYS To: [email protected]

I was thinking the same thing just the other day. The more people we get to volunteer to help out, the better. If anyone has a good clear copy, scanners and OCR programs might even help make the job easier. If someone wants to coordinate the effort, I'd be glad to help with some of the work. It will take a long time, but I know it will be worthwhile. Let's talk about it!

Greg Cote

CY>I would like to throw out an idea. ITS ONLY an idea. I have a copy of CY>Pierce's book. As anyone knows, it is a photocopy of a bad printing. CY>Since it was completed in approx. 1895, the index, to say the least, CY>stinks. That is to be expected and please don't think that I am not CY>grateful to Mr. Pierce. However, there have been many times over the CY>past 8 years that I have wished with all my might that there was a way CY>to search this darn book.

CY>Since the WRG is slowly building a vast GEDCOM anyway, has anyone ever CY>thought about transcribing this thing onto a database? Perhaps we could CY>have a Gedcom copy "as the book is" and then use that in conjunction CY>with the "corrected" database that is currently being kept.

CY>I realize that this would be a HUGE project but maybe several or even CY>many of us could work on it together and it would only take....maybe CY>another 100 years..... to get it in. But what a boon that would be for CY>us. Sometimes I just can't bring myself to look up one more Jonathan or CY>Elizabeth in this BOOKKKKK.

CY>With the book over 100 years old, there is no problem with copyright is CY>there?

CY>Blurrrry-eyed in Seattle, CY>Shawn Whitney

CY>PS. Allan, can you send me the gedcom please......oh, just kidding. :-o

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:54:13 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] [Fwd: [MaineRoots] "Recollections" by Henry E. Whitney Sr.] To: [email protected]

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PART II

    Two things happened while I was quite small.  Norman (brother - Norman

Earl Whitney mayor of Bangor 1931) was ten years older than I and he hated to take care of me. One day I was ina carriage at the top of the stairs that came down from the back bedroom to the washroom shed. There was a wall about 3 foot from the foot of the stairs. He started my carriage down the stairs and let it go. I was too young to know about it but I guess it didn't hurt me.

    Another thing, the big dog that led the hobo to the street was getting

old and crabby. He was asleep on the couch and I was rolling the metal off the hub of a wheel around the fllor when he woke up and jumped and grabbed me by the cheek. I had to have nine stitches taken. I can't remeber it but I dimly remember father taking care of my face after the stitches were taken out.

    I can remember many things about my childhood.  Mostly I worked helping

pull weeds in the garden, driving hay rakes, leading out the horse for the hay fork, unloading hay, etc. Mother used to give me 50 cents for July 4th and I bought some night pieces to take over to Runnels. Their boy Kent was about 2 or 3 years older than I and his uncle, Mr. Handy, from Boston, always sent him $5 and another uncle in Bangor was in real estate business and usually gave him $5 so he usually had $12 or $13 to spend, so usually a couple of other boys in the neighborhood went to his house with their fireworks so we had quite a show. We were always up by daylight to start firing firecrackers.

    When I was real small my Aunt Nell (Nellie Whitney born 1869) and Uncle

Henry (Roberts) from Boston visited us and asked me if I would like a puppy. Of course I would so they sent me a fox terrier who I named Piggie. I had him for quite a long time but I really don't know how or when he died.

    Norman caught a small chipmunk that he kept in a cage and Sundays we

would close all the kitchen doors and let it run for a while. He also caught a baby woodchuck and I had it quite tame so you could pick it up. One year father had a little pig that got one leg broken so he gave it to me. He would follow me everywhere just like a dog. I called him Limpy. There was also a bird that came back several summers and mother and Norman would set out food fot it. I really can't remember what it was but it was quite a large bird.

    A short distance back of our farm was the railroad and as the trains

went several times a day each way another form of entertainment for a farm kid was to go down and watch them go by. Sometimes I would go alone but often with Dustin Syde who lived about a 1/2 mile from me and was my closest playmate.

    When father bought the farm there were two old barns on it and a long

shed connected to the house. On one side of the shed there was a piece built on, just to pile up firewood on it. At the end of this arm was the outhouse, a two-holer. In the winter of 1910 father tore down most of the old barns and in the summer of 1911 a large new barn was built with a shed connecting with the house with a 3-holer toilet on one side. All winter we had to walk out to the old toilet after the shed was torn down do it was windy and cold. We thought we had it made when we had the new one that was fixed up much nicer and was larger and a lot warmer.

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:56:22 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] [Fwd: [MaineRoots] "Recollections" by Henry E. Whitney Sr.] To: [email protected]

Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:15:07 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]>

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PART III

    The placed we lived in was known as West Bangor although it was a part

of Bangor. It stretched about 3/4 miles along Hammond Street the main road into the city from the west. 1/2 mile from our house was more of a village where the Pine Grove School and cemetary were located. Just a short ways beyond was a small hill in what was known as Tyler Stand. I believe in stagecoach days a man by the name of Tyler ran a house and stable where the stagecoach stayed overnight.

    This was on another hill and people with bobsleds that were popular in

those days used to slide down this hill with momentum enough to go to another smaller hill and down that also. They would stop about wher ePilots Grill is now located. Also in those days we had a lot of crust on the snow. Our house was on a very small hill and you could slide from the back of our house down across Hammond Street and down further until you reached a field that usually flooded and iced over so you could go quite a ways on that. I have seen at least 50 to 75 people come out from Bangor to slide there when the crust was good. Also, I used to skate on this ice and there was a small stream that flowed at least 1/2 mile from it and usually some time during the winter you could skate the full length of it.

    I went to Pine Grove School when I was five to the "Sub Grade" now

kindergarten. There was one teacher for 9 grades with about 30 students. The teacher I remember best was Mrs. Doane, she was tall and sterne and her husband was a captain in the army. He was at Corregidor in the Phillipines and was captured and made the long march that the Japs made them take where so many died. We heard later that he lived through it. I went through the 4th grade and as I was alone in that grade I skipped the 5th and to start the 6th I went to Hannibel Hamlin School in the city. This was hard going from the country to the city school and skipping a grade. Some that transferred had to be set back one grade but I made it all right even with skipping the 5th.

    I can remember one late afternoon in April 1911 I went to feed the hens

and the whole horizon over Bangor was red. I ran into the house to tell my folks and about this time someone whjo knew father called and wanted him to cxome down and help him move his horses from a stable. They said the whole city was on fire. That was as near as I got to the big Bangor fire. Norman was in the National Guard and they had to go on guard duty for two weeks. After that he took father's two horses and dump cart and hauled rubbish about all summer.

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:09:23 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] [Fwd: [MaineRoots] "Recollections" by Henry E. Whitney Sr.] To: [email protected]

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PART IV

    Father was born on Hudson Hill.  He went to school in the winter only

and that was the only time he wore shoes. He went through the 4th grade before he went to work. He told me there were three schools; one in Hudson, one in Hudson Hill, and one in Hudson Corner, with about 75 pupils in each school, but later it was reduced to one school only with 15 or 20 pupils. He said all teachers were male and could not teach unless they could handle every boy. Father sat in the back seat when theteacher came after him for doing something wrong. He hung onto his desk until it was pulled up and every desk down the whole row was ripped up, but the teacher finally got him down front and whipped him. I don't know if this is true or not but that's what father told me. There were nine children in his family and every family was about the same size. They had a chimney fire for three nights in a row and the 3rd night the house burned and one brother, Amos(Amos B. Whitney 1862-1875), was burned to death. It was rebuilt and father bought the others shares later. The first time I can remember going there the house was rented but finally became so bad it was empty. I can remember taking a lunch and eating it in the house and later we had to eat out of doors. There was a 25 acre cedar woodlot, 25 acres of field that had mostly grown up to bushes and 25 acres of pasture that had also grown up to bushes. I inherited it later and sold it for $400 for the cedar only. I have no idea how it is today.

    As I said, we lived in West Bangor and usually every week in the winter

there would be a surprise party somewhere. My folks usually made a gallon of icecream to take. The kids usually played in some room. Also my folks would go to a dance in the Hermon Carver town hall two or three times each winter. Of Course, all traveling in those days was with horse and sleigh so it would take nearly an hour to get there with me wrapped up in the back of the thing. The kids there played behind the piano in one corner of the room. Father loved to dance but I wonder if mother did as she had soft corns that hurt her a lot. Norman and the girl that he he married (Ethel M. Davis) would take a prize as best dancers quite often. One night we got home about midnight and Mr. Runnels came over and said someone had been in the house and they could see a light going from room to room, but we couldn't find anyone or anything missing.

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:12:53 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] [Fwd: [MaineRoots] "Recollections" by Henry E. Whitney Sr.] To: [email protected]

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Part V

    Sometime when I was around 8 or 9 the neighborhood built a church.

Some gave money, some gave lumber, and about all the men donated their time and built it. It was behind the Pine Grove School and in front of the Pine Grove Cemetary. I was just old enough to make a recitation everytime some part of the church was dedicated. We had students from Bangor Theological Seminary as ministers. One man's name was Buncamper, he was a negro from the West Indies and had a wonderful singing voice. I will always remember him singing "Up from the Grave he arose", one Easter. He had a bass voice and you could almost feel Christ coming up from the sepulchre.

    he was a big sized man and was going back to his home as a missionary.

It was aMethodist Church and when I went to the city I started going to the Methodist Church near the school.

    Father took very good cccare of our property.  The new barn was red and

had to be painted every two or three years. The house was white and well painted and a large lawn ran way down to the street. It was always well mowed. The drive was a circular with two maple trees between the road and we also had a flagpole and had the flag up every good day. Also there was a red rambler rose that went up to the second floor and usually had hundreds of roses. Everyone thought it was beautiful. We had two shrubs on the front lawn. One was a snowball bush but I can't remember what the other one was.

    To make money father kept 2 or 3 cows.  Mother made butter while the

cream was weet so everyone wanted it. He had currants, gooseberries, blackberries, apples, eggs, and vegetables. He had regular customers in the city and delivered twice a week. On Saturday he went downtown to Staples & Griffin's grocery store and bought supplies for the week. They also carried grain. He always bought flour by the barrel. About 1918 they stopped using barrels. They had only 25# bags so father bought 8 bags. He also sold a lot of hay, throwing it off the mow onto a hayrack, hauling it two miles and then throwing it off by hand. He got from $10 to $14 a tone and it would take him all day. His best hay customer was a german family by the name of Kratzenburg. They gave father some sauerkraut which he and I liked very much. One fall they told him how to make it and loaned him their cabbage slicer. it worked fine until I tried to pick up a piece of cabbage to eat and lost about 3/4 of a fingernail and part of my fingers. Father wrapped it up and left it for 6 weeks. When it was undone it was all healed back over. Father said that's the was they always did in the good old days. Another malady I had was stress on my eyes a lot and mother made a poultice of tea leaves and bound them on. I went to school for many days with one eye bound up.

    Many things I recall but don't know the chronological order.  Every

year after haying or before grain was ripe, father and I went fishing at Hermon Pond which was about six miles away. All we caught was white and yellow perch. The yellow ones we threw back.

    One year father cut a lot of wood from the woodlot and had it cut in

stove lengths and piled up out back. Then he bought me an express wagon cart and I was supposed to haul the wood into the shed and pile it up. I hauled a lot but father helped me to finish. I must have been quite young as I can barely remember it but I can remember how pleased I was with the cart.

    About that time water pistols came on the market for 25 cents.  I

wanted one so mother said she would give me 25 cents if I would saw into stove length some cordwood that we had. I agreed and sawed about 1 1/4 cords for 25 cents. it was mostly poplar and birch so it was not too hard but I think it took me two or three weeks to do it.

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:40:05 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]>

Subject: [WHITNEY-L] "recollections" by Henry E. Whitney Sr. To: [email protected]

PART VI

    Norman was nearly ten years older than I so when he was in high school

he used to work out some so had a little spending money. I inherited his bicycle and occasionally he would want some candy and would give me 10 cents to go to the store about a mile away to get some. Of course, he gave me my share of the candy.

    When he finished high school he went towork for the Maine Central RR at

Northern Maine Jct. so had more spending money.

    Charlie Catells' store in downtown Bangor was a landmark.  He roasted

peanuts in a big roaster on the sidewalk in front of the store and you could smell them all over the city. Inside the store he had them heaped up on a counter about 15 ft. long. He also carried chocolate covered ice cream drops. Every holiday Norman would give me the money to buy a peck of peanuts and a pound of ice cream drops. That was big deal for me to go to town and get that. I guess I ate most of the peanuts and candy. I think peanuts were 5 cents a quart so you could buy a whole heaping peck for 50 cents. Catell's was in business for a long time and everybody in town missed him when he closed.

    Several winters father would take his team and work cutting ice on the

Penobscot River. Also for 2 or 3 winters he would take his team and go to work for some big lumber company. Then he would only come home about once a month. I took care of the hens and mother milked the cows as I wasn't old enough for that.

    The first auto I can remember was owned by a farmer who lived in

Hermon. It had high wooden wheels and just seats and an open body like a pick up truck now. It made quite a racket and did not go very fast.

    My Aunt Mae was a dress maker living in Bangor with my Uncle Norman

(I'm still not sure what side of the family these two are from, Michele). They had a boarder that was a retired conductor for the Maine Central RR. He became a professional card player and made about $50 a week playing. He owned a big Buick car that was loaded with brass and when he got too old to drive he gave it to Aunt Mae and Uncle Norman. Uncle Norman drove it very little and brought it for us to store in the shed. I guess it was because I had never seen on that close that it looked immense to me.

    There was a fatal accident directly in front of home.  There was a

slight turn in the road with a telephone pole right there. One night two men in a large car hit the post and it tipped over and the steering wheel crushed the driver. The other man was thrown quite a distance across the road and was hurt badly. Father heard the crash and went out, found what had happened and phoned the police. I wasn't allowed out until morning, when the men were gone. It was a touring car, as were most of them at that time, with the top down which made it easy to be thrown out.

    A man by the name of Betts built father's new barn in 1911.  He had a

Ford touring car and he and his wife would come out Sundays and take my folks to ride. They would take me about 1/2 mile for a ride and then let me out to walk home. I always thought it was kind of mean. One time they did take me with them to father's farm in Hudson. The tires inthose days were pretty poor and one or the other of them would go flat. When we drove home in the yard the 13th tire went flat. The shoe had an innertube that would crack and let the air out. The shoe would not hold it. The shoe went onto the rim and then an iron piece went around the rim to hold the shoe on and then you pumped it up by hand. Everyone carried patches to patch the tubes and got so used to changing tires that you could do it quite fast.

Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:59:38 -0400 From: [email protected] (Jan Whitaker) Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Recollections of Henry E. Whitney Sr. To: [email protected]

Dear Michele,

       Thanks for this great story and please keep it coming!  I wonder if

you could publish this man's line, as I have Whitney ancestors in Maine that went from Cumberland Co. "up north" in the early to mid 1800's and I haven't traced all of them yet. Cheers! Jan

Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:27:51 -0500 (EST) From: Barry Whitney <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Whitneys and Cotton To: [email protected]

<http://members.xoom.com/bwhitney/EliWhitney/>

On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, W.G. "Bill" Whitney wrote:

> Dear Whitney relatives: > > My son's History Professor told him that Eli Whitney didn't really > invent the cotton gin. It was invented by a woman. But women weren't > allowed to raise patents in those days, so Eli took the invention and

This seems pretty preposterous, given that Eli was so well known as an inventor and also developed the concept of interchangeable parts for the successful firearms business in CT. In any case, once Eli showed that it could be done, so many people imitated the gin without honoring the patent that he didn't get much financial reward. I guess he didn't want to be taken wrong if he said "Keep your cotton picking hands off my gin!"

> patented it instead. This must have something to do with the fact that > Eli was told about all the green river cotton that was unuseable by the > lady of the Plantation where he was a guest.

The "truth" is that he took a job at Mulberry Plantation (up the river from Savannah, GA) as a tutor. Most likely he had never seriously thought about cotton before going there, but when he came to appreciate the great difficulty of removing the seeds by hand, the great inventor saw the need and thus came up with the solution. Without someone to present the problem to him, he wouldn't have had the opportunity to invent a cotton gin (while sitting in a classroom in New Haven, for instance). As is often true in life, every problem can be viewed as an opportunity. My Eli page at <http://members.xoom.com/bwhitney/EliWhitney/> is based on a notebook put together by a group that is/was trying to restore the plantation as a historical site. The site has some links to some other Eli Whitney pages on the web also. Please do have a look.

>From the page:

In 1793, while staying at Mulberry Grove Plantation in Georgia, the inventor Eli Whitney developed a marvelous device for removing seeds from the cotton fibers. The Mulberry Grove Plantation, once owned by Royal Lieutenant Governor John Graham, was awarded to Major General Nathaniel Greene after the American Revolutionary War, and George Washington visited General Green's widow there twice. In 1975, the Plantation was designated a National Register site of national significance. The Mulberry Grove Foundation has had hopes of restoring the site.

By the way, one of our Whitney cousins, Charles Barry Whitney, Jr., is still in the cotton business, in Georgia, as a cotton factor. Historically, cotton factors lent money to the farmers, provided them with fertilizer and supplies, and graded and warehoused the cotton and sold it to textile manufacturers here and in Europe. C. Barry <http://www.nettaxi.com/citizens/barryw/cbarryjr.htm> is still a member of the Cotton Warehousemen's association and is one of the officers of the National Cotton Council <http://cotton.rd.net/ncc/public/ncc/officers.htm>. Our ancestor Seymour Murray Whitney <http://www.nettaxi.com/citizens/barryw/seymour.htm> came south from Philadelphia, NY, before the Civil War ("Great War of Northern Aggression" for you true southern-branch Whitneys), which caused great problems within the family, of course, and stayed and entered the cotton business afterwards. Seymour was famous enough to be listed in the "Memoirs of Georgia, 1895" <http://www.nettaxi.com/citizens/barryw/memoirs.htm> which describes his capture at Sharpsburg and his later success in the cotton business.

Yours, Barry

John Barry Whitney III North Augusta, SC http://members.tripod.com/~bwhitney

Augusta's Cotton Exchange Museum page http://www.augustaga.org/cottonex.htm

Page with comments from CBWhitney, longtime cotton factor http://www.cris.com/~Pgarber/exchange.html

==

our line: John-1 Whitney b. England 1589 d. 6/1/1673 ("John, the Immigrant") + Elinor __ b. 1599

  Johnathan-2 Whitney b. England 1634 m. 10/30/1656 d. 1702
  + Lydia Jones
     John-3 Whitney b. 6/27/1662 m. 4/10/1688 d. 1735
     + Mary Hapgood
        Dea. James-4 Whitney b. 12/28/1692 m. 2/2/1715 d. 4/10/1770
        + Martha Rice
           Dea. Micah-5 Whitney b. 6/4/1725 m. 1747 d. 11/29/1791
           + Lydia Mason
              Mason-6 Whitney b. 12/16/1765  d. prob aft. 1833 (moved to

NY from MA--Does anyone have any details?)

              + Dolly Rawson
                 Erastus-7 Whitney b. 7/13/1797 m. 6/4/1826 d. 10/16/1854
                 + Betsy Chadwick b. 4/8/1805  d. 9/3/1872
                    Seymour-8 M. Whitney b 1/16/1829 m 12/31/1868 d 8/26/1900
                    + Sarah Jane (Sallie) Barry b. 6/2/1838 d 1/8/1924

From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:04:46 EST Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Pierce's WHITNEYS To: [email protected]

Shawn and WRG,

I certainly have the time to assist with such a project. However, I do not own a copy of Pierce. And if this is transcribed then purchasing a copy in order to transcribe it seems rather foolhardy. But - if someone has a GOOD scanner (and ideally a better than average copy of the book), and can scan pages and email (or snail mail) them to me, I will be more than happy to assist. I would be willing to start with 10 - 20 pages. What the heck, I just sit and play all day long anyway <<grin>>

Jo Hogle [email protected] (that is #1 after Hogle)

Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:49:59 -0600 From: Martin Roberts <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Recollections of Henry E. Whitney Sr. To: [email protected]

Hi, Jan. I'm looking for a Whitney in Maine also who is in the Whitney DB but his children are not. He is Benjamin Whitney in Bowdoin. He and/or his father Benjamin appears in the 1790-1820 censuses. He had a daughter Peggy. I would like to know anything more about them, specifically who did Peggy marry.

My trouble is I have an Ebenezer Beal in Bowdoinham who married a Margaret Whitney and there are no Margaret Whitneys listed of the right age.

Martin

At 08:59 AM 1/27/99 -0400, Jan Whitaker wrote: >Dear Michele, > Thanks for this great story and please keep it coming! I wonder if >you could publish this man's line, as I have Whitney ancestors in Maine >that went from Cumberland Co. "up north" in the early to mid 1800's and I >haven't traced all of them yet. Cheers! Jan > >

Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:02:33 -0600 From: Bertha Emmett <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] MASS. WHITNEYS To: [email protected]

I need help! I have a James Whitney born 1791 in MA. I know that is not alot, but it is all that I have at this time. He was suppose to have married a Hannah Bruce. And, by 1815 they had moved to Vermont, where their son John Franklin Whitney was born in that year. John F. married a Sarah Nokes, and by 1837 they were living in NY. And, by 1850 they had all moved to Illinois. I have the names of the children. But, no information on counties in Mass., Vt, or NY.

Can anyone offer a suggestion on how to determine where in MA, James was born and who his parents were? This is my husband's family, and I have just started working on it a while ago.

I thank you for any suggestions and help you may be able to offer. Bertha

From: [email protected] (Norris) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:10:04 GMT Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Gumby is Still Broke... To: [email protected]

Hi:

The Whitney Database is still broke....

Can't access any individual family page from the index...

or do any search...

Poor Gumby... whatever happened to Gumby, anyway... great name for a server... or is it someone's real name, too??

Norris

-- Silver Bullet <[email protected]> Home Page: http://members.aol.com/ntgen/index.html

Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:32:48 -0500 From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Henry Austin Whitney To: [email protected]

At 09:42 PM 1/26/99 -0800, you wrote: >If anyone is interested, I just returned from Boston where I spent 3 >days at the NEHGS. I copied a few things while I was there. I copied >the entire "little" book or "memoranda" by Henry Austin Whitney >regarding the English ancestries. I don't know how much of this was >quoted in his other works. I just found it fascinating to look at. He >complied this work in 1859 and as his introductory note says > >"The following pages, relating to Families of the name of WHITNEY, in >England, are, in part, the result of a search made by Mr. Samuel Austin >Whitney, of Glasboro, New Jersey, in 1856, and since continued by H.G. >Somerby, Esq., to ascertain the parentage of John Whitney, who, with his >wife Elinor and five sons, embarked at London in the month of April, >1635, for New England, and who settled in Watertown in the following >June, where he continued to dwell until his death in 1673. >A greater part of the material here given is irrelevant to the subject >of the search; but the information is curious in itself, and may prove >of service to others. Ten copies have been printed". > >And this crumbly old this is one of the ten originals. I copied all 12 >pages which consist of 15 or 16 family trees that he had put together >from English records of everybody he could find named Whitney. Anything >anybody wants? > >I also have the first four pages of the "Ancestors and Descendants of >Theodore Roosevelt Whitney" - Profile of an African American Family. >The pages I copied are the ones that refer to the original roots of this >family name and the speculation that these Whitneys are descended from >slaves owned by the descendants of John and Elinor Whitney. I was >interested in this considering the current events re: Thomas Jefferson >and his African American descendants. > >I also copied a few pages of the PARKHURST genealogy. Esther PARKHURST >m. Jonathan-5 WHITNEY (Jonathan-4, Jonathan-3, Benjamin-2, John-1) > >I also copied various articles on the BOSWORTH line which is a few >branches up the wife of Jonathan-4 (Lydia JONES) > >Anyone interested in any of this stuff? > >Let me know, >Shawn Whitney

Yes, Shawn, some of us are very interested in all of the above, especially the Henry Austin Whitney stuff. Are you willing to transcribe it and post it to the list, or would it be better to send me hard copies and have me do it? I'm sure John Whitney in Oxford, England would be interested, and probably Allan Green, too, and possibly many others.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659 <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/index.html

Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:07:44 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] [Fwd: [MaineRoots] "Recollections" by Henry E. Whitney Sr.] To: [email protected]

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PART VII

    When I was 16 I went to work for Runnels who ran a milk route.  He

taught me to drive on a 1914 Ford truck, he also had a gray truck that was smaller than the Ford. Of course all cars had to be cranked by hand in those days and if the spark lever was advanced too far they would kick back and you'd better get your arm out of the way or it could easily be broken.

    Father usually hired one or two men to help hay.  One year one man made

candy kisses for me and he made candy to sell in the winter. For two or three years he hired a man and his son from Aurora, Maine. They leased blueberry plains every year and invited us to pick blueberries. They wrote to us that there should be agood crop and suggested that we come that year. Father had an express wagon and fixed it up for a team of horses, loaded up with supplies and blankets and we started off for Aurora about 35 miles from home. We went through Clifton where your mother was born. (This story was written for his son, so this would be referring to Henry Sr.'s wife Dorothy O. DeBeck) I noticed a skinny little girl but, of course, didn't realize who it was.

    Chick's Hill in Clifton was five miles long from end to end and very

rough and rocky and steep. The evener on the wagon broke and father got a piece of hardwood somewhere and wired it on and it worked all right.

    When we reached the plains we found that a frost had killed most of the

blossoms and the blueberry crop was a failure. We found a shack with no floor and stayed for the night. The next day we hunted for berries and finally found a large mound like an Indian burial mound. On one side of it we found some beautiful large berries and picked all we needed. We stayed that night and the next morning the man that leased the plains came in and said he was sorry he had not written not to come and he thought we had found about the only blueberries on the entire plains. Going home when we came to Chick's Hill father got out and cut a small tree, fastened one end under the express wagon and held it against the wheel to hold the cart back till we got down the hill. That was the only real trip we ever took together and it was quite an adventure for a small boy.

    Another event that I dimly remember is riding on the train to Newport a

distance of 25 miles. I believe it was mother's step-mother who died and we went to the funeral which I can't remember. That was quite an event for a little farm boy. Someone in her family was jeweler, I think it must have been my grandfather (Llewelynn Willey - listed on daughters death certificate as carriage maker)) as mother got several display boxes of cheap jewelry and earrings; also two or three small cases of lenses for glasses which jewelers used to fit in the good old days. I had a good time playing with the lenses. My grandfather had been dead a long time so all the jewelry was discolored and mother gave some away and dumped the rest.

    Mother and I took one trip while I was quite small.  The first horse

father bought on the farm was Nancy. She weighed about 1400 lbs. but could trot right along. Father bought a nice covered carriage that had hard rubber tires and a light harness for Nancy. She seemed to know she was dressed up and would hold her head high and trot right along as if she was a driving horse. We went to Corinna, which was about 27 miles from Bangor, to visit mother's Uncle Mark and Aunt Lizzie Bond (I have no information on this couple). He was manager of the Canning Facotry and canned corn only. They ahd a beautiful home but the mattresses were all filled with corn husks and rattled awful when you moved on them. When I was a little older I went up there on my bicycle, stayed overnight and then went ten miles to Hartland to see my Aunt Edna and Cousin Doris (I don't know what side of the family they were on). I stayed there two or three days, then back to Corinna overnight and home the next day. Uncle Mark kept a large flock of sheep and it was the first time I was ever near any.

    In those days magazine companies gave away ponies to the one who sold

the most subscriptions. I was always sure I could win and started out with high hopes. The Odlin road rand from near our farm past the back end of our farm and came out in Hermon Center onto Hammond Street where we lived. It was 8 miles around and I would only sell maybe five subscriptions. I would get some small prize and the pony would go to someone who sold 200 or 300 subscriptions. Later the magazine agent in Bangor called me and wanted me to sell the weekly. I did for a year or so and would sell about 10 Country Gentleman, five Colliers and five Saturday Evening Posts. I don't remember how much I made, but not much.

    One time while we eating two men came to the door with a snake at least

5' long, tied on a board, to see if father couldtell them what kind it was. We had a book on animals, reptiles, etc., but could not find anything like it. It had crawled into a dooryard about a mile beyond our house, the two men were talking when it came so they killed it. The railroad ran at least 1/2 mile from there and eventually they found it had dropped off a circus train. They took it to the circus people who told them the kind of snake it was and also told them they would have paid $50 if the snake were alive. I don't know if they would tried to capture it or not for $50 but that was a lot of money then.

    Father's mother  (Celestia A. (Gray) Whitney)lived with us until I was

5 or 6. She was very deaf and hated it, said she would rather be blind. She was in her early 70's and kind of childish. She walked all over the neighborhood and if she saw anyone eating she would go in and sit down at the table. When she left if there was anything left she would stuff it down her bosom, she would. She always kept beets boiling and drank the juice for iron.

    We ate well as father killed a hog every fall, and also a man from

Simpson store came selling meat and fish twice a week and father went to Staples & Griffins every week for other goods. One thing we used was a lot of molasses.

    Of course, we had all the vegetables, fruits and beans that we needed.

We were kept busy one winter as we raised 17 bushels of yellow-eyed beans and handpicked all of them throughout the winter. Father would bring in a bushel every evening, dump them on the kitchen table and mother, father and I picked them all over. He sold them to Staples & Griffins. We also made a barrel of cider vinegar each fall.

    Haying was lot different then. It was mowed one morning, and unless it

was an exceptional drying day, laid till the next day when it was raked, usually by me, and put up in mounds which we called tumbles. If it looked like rain we had heavy waterproof pasteboard caps we covered them up with. If it rained and stopped we would spread out the tumbles to dry and then rerake and load on the hayrack. If it didn't rain we would pitch it on right from the tumbles.

    When it got to the barn we would use one horse to haul out the rope to

haul the hayfork up to the mow and dump it.

    In later years a hay presser used to come and set up in the barn

floor. It was a big machine with a long arm for a lever. The hay would be pitched into the presser and a rope ran outdoors to a turntable and a yoke of oxen or pair of horses would wind the rope around the turntable and pull the arm on the presser down hard. Then a piece of haywire was put around each end of the bale to hold it, then they were weighed and a tag put under the wire with the weight. Each bale would weigh from about 130# to 170#. It was my job to list the weights and total them up. The presser got paid by total weight.

    Father also raised oats, barley, and buckwheat.  Someone came with a

threshing machine each year to thresh the grains. The grain was fed in one end, the seed was winnowed and came out the side, the straw came out the rear. The machine was run by a yoke of oxen on a treadmill. Eventually they used a huge gasoline engine. Any grain to be ground had to be taken to the gristmill at Hermon Corner 4 miles away.

    Another convenience we had was a machine that came around once a year

to saw wood into stove lengths. It was usually cut in tree length if small or 4 ft. if larger. The machine would cut any size and a lot faster than doing it by hand, easier also.

    As was customary then, we had a "front room" or parlor that was always

kept closed. About once a month, when it was warm enough, we would go in it on Sunday. We had an organ that mother played and she and I used to sing. There was a large rug with a large dog design on it. It was real bright colors. There was an overstuffed chair for father and a stand in the center of the room that had some pretty plated decorated with shells. There was also a small bookcase full of books. I can't remember any of the books except there were five or six books with the same covers and bindings. On the front cover was a quotation I still remember. It was "may blessings be upon the head of Cadmus, the Phoenecian or whoever it was that invented books". I took lessons on the organ for some time but finally begged off after I got so I could play the scale with both hands.

    One big event in my life was the Bangor Fair each August.  Father

raised three colts from Nancy and as the Supt. of Livestock was a friend of ours he always wanted us to take them to show. One year one got second prize and one year third prize in their class. An exhibitor was entitled to a helper's pass for 75 cents so I was the helper. I used to visit the midway in the morning and horse races in the pm. We knew some of the drivers which made it more interesting. One of the colts was a lot lighter and father sold it to someone to train for a racer, but it never developed much speed.

    One year father had the contract to take care of the track.  There was

spiked-tooth harrow to soften the surface and then a small log with brush from the grove next door nailed to it to smooth the surface after the harrowing. Also there was a water sprinkler to use when it got too dusty. Whatever needed to be done had to be done between the heats so theteam had to move around the track pretty fast.

    Our farm was less than a mile from the fairgrounds and each year they

had an airplane which usually flew out our way. The planes were biplanes with the pilot sitting right out in the open. They didn't fly very high or very fast so we could see the pilot and wave to him as he flew over. Planes were a curiosity until WWI. Also every year they had a hot air balloon that went up each day and often I was there at the time. It was a big thrill. Usually it didn't go very high or very far and usually away from our farm and across the river. I remember once he landed in the river but was taken out promptly.

    When we moved there was an old reaper out back of the barn and I

tinkered on it all the time. It was all rusted and I used some kerosene on the nuts and then used a wrench and hammer to get the bolt out. It was quite a big thing and I got most of it apart before I outgrew doing it. Between our house and Thorntons there was an outcropping of a ledge, probably 12 or 15 feet across that came about 2 feet above the ground. I started getting a hole dug in the middle of it and played there a lot. It was high and dry when it was too dampt to play on the grass.

    The nearest kid to my age was a colored girl, Albina McCarty, who lived

just up the road. Her father ran a farm for a horse dealer. I don't know where colored people got an Irish name but there were three families by that name around there. They were all very nice people and everyone liked them. Albina used to come down to play with me quite often and we would play mud pies or hide & seek or some childish game. Mrs. McCarty called me in the house one day and told me if I ever said anything nasty to Albina she would cut my tongue out. I still have my tongue.

    Mother used to punish me with a small whip that they used to sell at

the fair. Boys then wore knee pants and I got the whip across the legs and she didn't spare the whip. One place next to the road just beyond Thornton's house was wet and soggy. Father dug some deep ditches to drain the water off and there were some muskrats there. I was warned to stay away from there but one day I sneaked down. As it happened, mother was looking for me and found me down there and came down with the whip and whipped me all the way home where she promised me a spanking. That is one thing I never had and I was frightened to death of it. I begged her to use the whip instead so she did.

    I never remember father whipping me but once.  I said something at the

table one day and he took me out on the lawn and whipped me across the shoulders. I was scared to death but it didn't hurt as much as across the legs.

    Just beyond this boggy place a man lived that made Indian mocassins.

Father gave him the hay on this place and he made me a pair of mocassins each fall. I used to go barefooted all summer vacation except when I drove the hayrake. Usually in the fall I would get a pair of high shoes that came up to the calf of my legs. That was a big deal. When snow came I wore the mocassins.

    West Bangor had one character, John Shemer.  He lived in a shack on the

Cooper Road which we could see from our houe. I don't know how he got enough to eat. Once in a while he would saw up a little wood for someone and occasionally shovel a little snow. The police came out every spring, took him to town, cut his hair, shaved him and gave him some new clothes. He lived this way several years but one year he didn't want to go, put up a fight and nearly bit one policeman's ear off. That time when they did get him out they set fire to his shack and I suppose they put him in the poor farm.

    Always one and sometimes two circuses came to town to the fairgrounds

each summer and they always had a parade. Father had some relative who was called Aunt Ada. I don't think she was Aunt but was some distant relative. Anyway, she lived on Main street right near the fairgrounds and had a front porch where we could sit and watch the parade. Mother always took Nancy and took me down to watch the parade. They really went all out for parades in those days with all the elephants, animals, clowns, bands, and of course, the steam calliope at the end.

    Incidently, when my folks were married they lived right near Aunt Ada

on a side street upstairs in a nice brick house in a nice residential neighborhood. The rent was $6.50 a month. When father went to pay at the end of the month the landlady would only take $6.00. She said she added the 50 cents in case she got a destructive family.

    One time we lived on the farm but father was still unloading coal.  I

was very small when Aunt Ada called up and said there had been a bad accident and she thought father had been killed but wasn't positive about it. I can remember mother just waiting to hear what had happened and father finally drove in the yard. You can bet she was relieved and I can remember I was glad to see him also. The rope that held the bucket that father ran up and down broke and fell and hit some of the shovelers. I don't remember anyone was killed but think one or two of them were hurt badly. It was not fathers fault but just something that happened.

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:09:54 -0800 From: Carole Schreiber <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney Gedcom To: [email protected]

Please send me a copy of the gedcom also. Thank You Carole

From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:26:29 EST Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Pierce's WHITNEYS To: [email protected]

In a message dated 1/26/99 10:11:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:

<< [email protected] >>

Hello Shawn,

I'm in process of entering the Pierce Genealogy into my Family Tree Maker database, I have entered through page 46 and would be willing to co-ordinate an effort with anyone who would like to join in the task. I should think that the volunteers, once known could generate a plan to speed up the process. We could update each others information via GEDCOM and eventually make the GEDCOM available to the whole group.

Keep in touch

Jon Aston

Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:26:38 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] "Recollections" by Henry E. Whitney Sr. To: [email protected]

PART VIII

    One year I had a little garden and raised a few pink potatoes and some

other vegetables. I harvested all of it and took it down to Aunt Ada. She paid me 50 cents and I thought I was rich. One time mother and I ate there and she had canned salmon salad. I had never had any bofre and thought it was wonderful.

    Uncle Henry died while I was quite young and Aunt Nell ran a rooming

house with several young men rooming there. When WWI was starting many of them were drafted and would tell her to dispose of their things so she would send a lot of things to me. one thing was a nice pair of skates that I could use. Father always sent her a barrel of vegetables ewvery fall top help her out financially as she had to finish paying for her house in South Boston after Uncle Henry's death.

    I went to visit Aunt nell and Cousin Gladys, Aunt Nell's neice, one

time and the day I got there the Boston police strike started. Coolidge was Governor of Mass.then and the way he handled the situation won him national recognition and led to his becoming President. They took me into Tremont Temple that night to see "Daddy Long-Legs" (Does anybody know what this is referring to?) and when we got out we had to wait 1 1/2 hours for the subway that ran every 15 minutes. The previous car had been tipped over by hoodlums. The next day Gladys and I walked up Washington street and every window had been broken and boarded up. By then Coolidge had called out the National Guard and they patrolled all the streets in pairs. South Boston was a tough place even then and a firestation and police station were right near Aunt Nell's and they were going continuously mostly on false alarms. It was all exciting but we didn;t go out of the house for a few days.

    One Halloween the teacher suggested the whole school go out together.

An old man hada small blacksmith shop across the road from Runnels' farm. His grandson was one of the older boys in school and he ran ahead and broke every window in the shop. The old man felt pretty bad as he could hardly afford to have things fixed up. There was some talk of his making the school pay for the damamge so we expected the Sheriff to come to the school. I sat in the front row and could look out the front door and down the road so I was expected to let the rest know when he came. I was scared to death but nothing ever happened. I guess the man found out his own grandson did it.

     Another time while i went to the country school the Millerites

(Anybody know what they are?) predicted the end of the owrld would come. We really expected it to happen and were pretty relieved when nothing happened.

    In 1908, Haley's Comet passed by and I was allowed to sit up to see it.

It was quite a sight and worth seeing when it is due again in a few years.

    At one time, Mr. Runnels decided to raise hogs.  He built a fence

around nearly all the pine grove on his farm and kept the hogs in there. Sometime along they developed cholera and a great many of them died. Near the back of the grove there was an outcropping of ledge. he piled all the dead hogs up there and set fire to them. The fire last two or three days and the smell longer than that. That was the end of the hog business.

    Father was made Road Commissioner for West Bangor with about five miles

of roads to cover. At that time he had four horses so hired a man to drive one team. The road by the swampy place on our farm was what was called a "carduray" road. That is logs were placed crossways quite near together and then covered with gravel. The road was terribly rough and as the logs rotted away holes developed in the Spring so that at times it was nearly impossible. Father used both teams to remove the old logs and then hauled gravel about two miles to build up the road. All the gravel had to be shoveled onto the dumpcart by hand and then hauled the two miles and dumped on the road and then leveled out by hand. Each team could make two round trips in a forenoon and two more in an afternoon, so it was quite a job. The next Spring the road was much better. Various low spots had to be filled in with gravel and then the larger rocks would be raked off. The year I was 12 I got a job raking rocks for 50 cents a day. Father said I was worth more but he didn't think the City of Bangor would stand paying me more than that.

    No one ran autos in the winter then, so roads had to be kept levelled

off for sleighs and sleds. That was done by shoveling off the worst drifts and then a log was placed in front of the sled runners and weighted down with two or three more and whatever kids were handy and hauled over the roads. This packed the snow down and leveled it off for winter traveling. Right at the foot of the little hill our house was on, the snow packed in 4 or 5 ft. deep some winters and when spring came it all had to be shoveled out by hand. Sometimes father would have 5 or 6 men shoveling. He made out a payroll each week, took it to Bangor Street Dept., and was given cash to pay off. There were two men in charge of the Street Dept., the Commissioner and the foreman who was father's boss. Sometime later it was discovered that he had stolen lumber, cement, etc., and used some city labor to build him a nice home out near your mother's town. It was quite a scandal and of course he was fired and his boss, the commissioner, resigned. When I went to the 6th grade in the city the foreman's daughter was in my class and we had a case of puppy love for a while but we both recovered.

    My dog loved to catch woodchucks and sometime someone had filled in a

ditch down across the fields with rocks and the woodchucks had taken over. The dog would locate their hole and then I would start taking rocks out so he could get at them. They usually would go out another hole and he would grab them. I don't know how many we got altogether but at least 12 or 15. I also had a 22 rifle and used to shoot, or shoot at, pigeons that lived on the buckwheat father raised. i was a fairly good shot and shot some from the roof of our barn that was quite high. I used to hunt foxes but never did get near enough to have any chance of getting one.

    After I went to Hannibal Hamlin school I became friends with Carleton

Fletcher. We both brought our lunch and after eating we would go down to the news stand to get some Boston papers to sell on the streets. They would arrive just before noon and most of them were sold by boys on the street. The main street corners were taken by older boys or school dropouts so we had to walk the sidewalks. If we happened to be early enough we could sell on the corners until the regular boy came and then we would sell a lot but got "H__" when the regular boy came. So our sales would vary from 10 to 15 to 25 or 30. They sold for 2 cents and we got 1/4 cent each so didn't make enough to bank any.

    We also joined the YMCA and quite often we would get a chance to set up

pins in their bowling alleys. We got 2 cents a string so made some money that way. One evening a week the YMCA would have a supper for the boys and serve baked beans, hot rolls, cocoa, and doughnuts. After supper we had a bible class and at the end of the year there was a prize of $1 given to the one who passed in the best test on what we had studied. I won it for the year I went.

    As horses were the prime method of transportation in those days, many

things were bound to happen. Autos were so few that most horses were frightened and would either rear up, take for the ditch or try to run away. Street cars bothered them some but not so bad.

    The oil company sold kerosene to the farmers from a tank drawn by two

or three horses. One time the tanker got stuck in the mud by our farm. One farmer beyond there had a beautiful pair of matched horses that he thought could pull the tanker out. He hitched his team on in front of the oil team but all 4 horses could not move it. Then they took off the oil team and he hitched on to thetanker but they couldn't budge it. he then came down to get father with Nancy and her mate and wanted them hitched on in front of his team. Father told him to take his team off and he would hitch onto the tanker. This was done and father's team pulled the tanker onto dry ground. We never had to pay for kerosene again as everytime he went by he would fill up our 5 gallon can.

    Another time the tanker had four horses and almost in front of our

house one stumbled and all four horses went down. Father ran out and the driver got them unhitched and up without any horse getting hurt. The driver said they were just breaking in one team and he expected some horse to start thrashing around and hurt some of them.

    One time while I was at Runnels' canning factory he drove to town with

a hayrack to pick up a load of tin cans which came packed 24 in nine wooden boxes. They got home alright but when they started to unload some boxes fell off making an awful noise. It scared the horses and they started to run away, scattering boxes and cans all over the farm until they ran head on into an apple tree in the orchard. It broke the pole on the hayrack and broke some boxes and tin cans but nothing more serious.

    When I used the barn rake I usually used Nancy, but one day I had a

tall rangy horse that father recently bought. The men had loaded the hay and started for the barn. i was left on the rear end of the farm to rake up scatterings. I finished and by that time the hayrack was 2/3 of the way to the barn. My horse walked pretty fast and finally started to trot. I could have stopped him but didn;t realize what was about to happen. About 1/2 way home there was a plowed field and the horse started across that and I could not slow him down then. he broke into a gallop and I fell off the seat and across the thills and tried to hang on. The men on the hayrack saw what was happening and startedshouting "whoa!". Father heard them shouting and came out of the barn running just as I fell off the rake and under the rake teeth. One of my legs was bruised badly and I was so lame and sore, that I didn't work for a few days. I never did drive that horse again, although it was my fault by letting him get started in the first place.

    When we moved into the City on Hammond Street we were about halfway

from downtown to the end of the carline. One day there was a fire beyond our place. The main fire station was on Union Street and the substation on Hammond Street and the two streets joined at the bottom of Hammond Street hill and the two firewagons met right there. One team took one side of the car tracks and one the other side and they raced each other the whole length of Hammond Street It was pretty exciting to see them.

This is the end of grandfather's story. I hope that you all enjoyed it. There were 8 parts, so if anyone is missing a part please feel free to contact me and I'll send it to you. Hopefully some of you were able to get a little information about 1903 - 1920 Maine that you may not have known before. If anyone has any additional information pertaining to parts of this story or the family, please contact me as I'd love to have the information.

I have received a lot of warm feedback from these two lists about my grandfather's story and it has made me feel very good inside. He died March 31, 1975 when I was only 4 1/2 years old. Needless to say I don't remember a whole lot about him, but that he was a very calm quiet man, who loved God, his garden, and me.

Thank you,

Michele Marie Whitney Ball Leland Painter Loving Granddaughter

Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:27:27 -0600 From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce To: [email protected]

I believe that undertaking the transcription of Pierce's work would be an excellent project for this group. This is one of the best organized groups of researchers for a surname that I have found on the internet.

I believe that making a scanned version of Pierce available on the net would have too high a cost (file sizes) and come with too small a benefit (you can't do a word search on photo files). I also don't believe that creating a GEDCOM of the data would be beneficial as we'd still have the problem of wanting to see exactly what wording Pierce used.

This leaves us with the task of transcribing Pierce, word for word. The book is 664 pages long, once you omit the index. 664 pages sounds like a huge task, but if we break that down into units of 5 pages each, we have a manageable number of 133 sets. Certainly we could round up enough people to take on transcribing a five page set to make a useful dent in the project.

I propose that we go foreward with the project. Those that have their own copy could transcribe the portions that they desire. Those with scanners can make scanned versions available to others who want to transcribe but who do not have access to the book. Photocopies could also be made available if that was found to be easier than scanning.

In hopes that we do decide to go foreward with this project, I have created a webpage at http://outburst.com/whitney/pierce that demonstrates what I think is a good starting place for people to 'adopt' a set of pages to transcribe. If you're interested, take a look and let me know what you think.

Tim Doyle http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ [email protected] ftp://ftp.doit.com/pub/tdoyle/

From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:51:03 EST To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce

In a message dated 1/27/1999 8:28:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:

<< http://outburst.com/whitney/pierce >>

Tim

The web page looks good to me. Nice and simple.

What we need to do is determine who can scan or copy pages and send them to those folks willing to do the transcribing. So we need to determine who has a copy of Pierce AND a scanner or photocopier, AND is willing to scan or copy pages for the transcribers.

Could you add that list to the website? Then folks could simply contact one of those volunteers to get their pages for transcription. That way it is a one on one for scanner to transcriber.

Just my thoughts on it.

Jo Hogle

From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:51:03 EST Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce To: [email protected]

In a message dated 1/27/1999 8:28:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:

<< http://outburst.com/whitney/pierce >>

Tim

The web page looks good to me. Nice and simple.

What we need to do is determine who can scan or copy pages and send them to those folks willing to do the transcribing. So we need to determine who has a copy of Pierce AND a scanner or photocopier, AND is willing to scan or copy pages for the transcribers.

Could you add that list to the website? Then folks could simply contact one of those volunteers to get their pages for transcription. That way it is a one on one for scanner to transcriber.

Just my thoughts on it.

Jo Hogle

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From: "Marion Leska" <[email protected]> To: "Tim Doyle" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:00:17 -0800

Hi, I thought we were talking about an index. Scanning the whole thing doesn't solve the problem of the faulty index. With a good index, all it takes is a question and somebody with a copy would scurry to answer.....if only there was an adequate index! Marion Whitney Leska

From: "Marion Leska" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:00:17 -0800 To: [email protected]

Hi, I thought we were talking about an index. Scanning the whole thing doesn't solve the problem of the faulty index. With a good index, all it takes is a question and somebody with a copy would scurry to answer.....if only there was an adequate index! Marion Whitney Leska

From: "Sally Towns" <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:19:16 -0500 Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce To: [email protected]

Please put me down for helping in the transcribing of Pierce's work. I do not have access to the book, so would need copies of pages. Let me know.

Sally Whitney Towns Whitney's of Maine

Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:51:47 -0600 From: Martin Roberts <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce To: [email protected]

Scanning the whole thing could lead to an index if anyone has a good OCR program. File inversion programs have been used to build Bible Concordances and speller data bases. If anyone has access to one of them, an index could be generated.

Martin

At 06:00 PM 1/27/99 -0800, Marion Leska wrote: > >Hi, >I thought we were talking about an index. Scanning the whole thing doesn't >solve the problem of the faulty index. With a good index, all it takes is a >question and somebody with a copy would scurry to answer.....if only there >was an adequate index! >Marion Whitney Leska >

Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:55:07 -0800 From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Pierce Transcription To: [email protected]

Dear WRG, I have received tons of email since my suggestion that we transcribe Pierce's book. Was that just last night. Looks like it will get done. But before we go too far lets look at what is already being done and decide which format so that we don't end up with two partially completed transcriptions.

Tim Doyle has got a handle on a page by page transcription (great website and organization skills!). This would be a searchable format with a browser, if I am correct?

Jon Aston has information up to page 46 (which is A LOT!) entered into Family Tree Maker, which is a gedcom format. This, when finished could be printed out and posted to reveal the same information as Pierce's book but wouldn't "look" the same.

I am waiting to hear from Jon regarding how much detail he is entering. I think that if we are going to enter the book, we need to enter it verbatim, even into a genealogy program.

What do others think?

Shawn in Seattle

Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:00:13 -0800 From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce References: <[email protected]> To: [email protected]

Its a great idea in theory Martin, but these books are so old and the type so small, that it is difficult for human eyes to decipher, let alone an OCR. My book, for instance is a photocopy of old pages. The type is just horrid. Shawn

Martin Roberts wrote:

> Scanning the whole thing could lead to an index if anyone has a good OCR > program. File inversion programs have been used to build Bible Concordances > and speller data bases. If anyone has access to one of them, an index could > be generated. > > Martin > > At 06:00 PM 1/27/99 -0800, Marion Leska wrote: > > > >Hi, > >I thought we were talking about an index. Scanning the whole thing doesn't > >solve the problem of the faulty index. With a good index, all it takes is a > >question and somebody with a copy would scurry to answer.....if only there > >was an adequate index! > >Marion Whitney Leska > >

From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:11:01 EST Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Pierce's WHITNEYS To: [email protected]

Dear WRG:

I absolutely love the idea, and just as absolutely cannot get involved anytime in the next year. However, I would be very willing to loan my Microfilm copy of the Pierce book to someone who A) owns a microfilm reader, and B) wants to participate.

Allan E. Green "Si hoc legere scis niminium eruditionis habes." Barbourville, KY IBSSG (Charter) [email protected], [email protected] "Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census."

From: "Henry M. Whitney" <[email protected]> To: "Tim Doyle" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:13:13 -0500

Tim:

The idea of transcribing Pierce is something I've wanted to do for a long time. I have a copy of the book, a scanner, and - being retired - time to devote to the project.

Before getting too far into such a project, however, it might be worthwhile to lay out some criteria as to file specifications, format, etc. Would an attempt be made to create a mirror image of the pages? How do we assure accuracy regardless of how the information was transcribed?

For example, I plan to use OmniPage Pro in converting scanned images to text. While the software claims 99% accuracy, we're dealing with pages whose text is 4 1/2" X 7 1/4" excluding headers and footers. I counted approximately 9 lines per inch. The type is quite small, probably no more that 8pt. My quick count of a single line reveals approximately 80 variable pitch characters, which is probably somewhat accurate. If there are an average of 60 lines per page and all 692 pages (unless the Indexes are dropped), the completed file would be over 3.3MB. Obviously, if graphics are included the file grows exponentially.

You no doubt have heard of Project Gutenberg, the effort to record in what they call "Etext" all of the major works published since the invention of the printing press. I thought there might be some guidance on their web site (http://www.promo.net/pg) but the only thing I found was that they record their books in what they call Plain Vanilla ASCII text. Books can be downloaded either in ASCII or .ZIP. Apparently they don't include illustrations.

There is another point that should be considered. It is my understanding that there are numerous errors in Pierce. Should footnotes be inserted where known conflicts exit or is the book to be recorded as is? For example, I know of several errors in the record of my father and one of his sisters, and in the record of my grandfather and his siblings. Had I developed actual proof by now and submitted it to the Whitney database, how would this be handled?

Please don't misunderstand my motives in raising these questions. I am anxious to work on the project and am willing to commit considerale time to it, but urge that we lay out some ground rules before proceeding too far.

Appreciate any comments.

Regards,

Henry M. Whitney ([email protected])

From: "Henry M. Whitney" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:13:13 -0500 To: [email protected]

Tim:

The idea of transcribing Pierce is something I've wanted to do for a long time. I have a copy of the book, a scanner, and - being retired - time to devote to the project.

Before getting too far into such a project, however, it might be worthwhile to lay out some criteria as to file specifications, format, etc. Would an attempt be made to create a mirror image of the pages? How do we assure accuracy regardless of how the information was transcribed?

For example, I plan to use OmniPage Pro in converting scanned images to text. While the software claims 99% accuracy, we're dealing with pages whose text is 4 1/2" X 7 1/4" excluding headers and footers. I counted approximately 9 lines per inch. The type is quite small, probably no more that 8pt. My quick count of a single line reveals approximately 80 variable pitch characters, which is probably somewhat accurate. If there are an average of 60 lines per page and all 692 pages (unless the Indexes are dropped), the completed file would be over 3.3MB. Obviously, if graphics are included the file grows exponentially.

You no doubt have heard of Project Gutenberg, the effort to record in what they call "Etext" all of the major works published since the invention of the printing press. I thought there might be some guidance on their web site (http://www.promo.net/pg) but the only thing I found was that they record their books in what they call Plain Vanilla ASCII text. Books can be downloaded either in ASCII or .ZIP. Apparently they don't include illustrations.

There is another point that should be considered. It is my understanding that there are numerous errors in Pierce. Should footnotes be inserted where known conflicts exit or is the book to be recorded as is? For example, I know of several errors in the record of my father and one of his sisters, and in the record of my grandfather and his siblings. Had I developed actual proof by now and submitted it to the Whitney database, how would this be handled?

Please don't misunderstand my motives in raising these questions. I am anxious to work on the project and am willing to commit considerale time to it, but urge that we lay out some ground rules before proceeding too far.

Appreciate any comments.

Regards,

Henry M. Whitney ([email protected])

Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:57:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce From: Arvy L Whitney <[email protected]> To: [email protected]

Hi y'all, Hey, copy the thing once you get it transcribed into Microsoft Access or some other database and you can sort on anything in the database. That would make a simple task of it for all. Wish I had the time to help with this project. But keep up the good work. I'm reading all of the work that is going on. Thanks, Arv ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

From: [email protected] Date: 28 Jan 1999 08:30:32 CST/CDT Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce To: [email protected]

Dear WRG:

As far as I can tell, we have two options for putting Pierce into electronic form:

1. A database, most likely one that can be imported or converted to gedcom format.

2. A text-based version.

As others have written, there are advantages and disadvantages to both. A text-based version may be easiest to get finished quickly, and would certainly be searchable by any web browser or word processor. We would need to agree on file format before going too far. I agree with the comments I've seen by others - the type in most copies of Pierce is too fuzzy to be reliably converted to text by most OCR programs. I do think that we should just do an "as is" version, perhaps with an additional foreword warning about the many errors, and possibly referring the user to more up-to-date sources, such as the Whitney websites or gedcoms.

Any suggestions on format - MS Word, WordPerfect, RTF, PDF, etc?

Greg Cote Edwards, IL

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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:23:11 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Story To: [email protected]

In re-reading the different parts of my grandfathers story I noticed that I had made quite a few typo's. Please excuse this as I was usually either getting help with my typing from my 13 month old son, or typing it late at night after all the children were in bed.

Thanks again for all of the wonderful repsonses that I have received from these postings. It made all that work worth it.

Michele

Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:24:21 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] "Recollections" by Henry E. Whitney Sr. References: <[email protected]>

To: [email protected]

Oh, thank you. I remember watching the Fred Astaire movie now. I enjoyed it.

Michele

J. Michael Poston wrote: > > The "Daddy Long Legs" Henry Whitney referred to in his autobiographical > sketch must have been one of the silent film versions of a popular novel > from the early part of the 20th century. It was later made into a film > starring Fred Astaire and Audrey Hepburn. > > The novel is a series of letters by a young girl to her guardian whom she > has never met, but has only seen the shadow of legs at his departure from > her boarding school. The headmistress insists that she correspond with her > benefactor/guardian and, since she knows no other name, she calls him > "Daddy Long Legs." The letters cover the time from her teen years through > college and are thoroughly delightful. The college scenes described could > only date from around 1910 or before, yet my daughters thoroughly enjoyed > the book when we read it together a few years ago. > > Mike Poston > Rockville, Maryland

Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:45:29 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]>

       "[email protected]" <[email protected]>

Subject: [WHITNEY-L] "Recollections" To: [email protected]

Just wanted to forewarn everyone that I am sending my grandfathers story to [email protected] and [email protected] and [email protected] (this one is brand new), so you may be receiving the story again if you're on those lists. That's why I asked if everyone belonged to both lists.

Thanks for your patience,

Michele

Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:50:55 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]> To: Tim Doyle <[email protected]>,

       "[email protected]" <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce References: <[email protected]>

Mr. Doyle,

    I am so glad I noticed your name on this list.  I have tried to access

your site, but unfortunately for some reason I can't get to the information on your surname list. Could you please contact me? I believe you had the following names that I am interested in: Whitney (of course), Penney, Chick (not sure of this one), and Shutron.

Thank you,

Michele Florida/USA

Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:50:55 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]>

       "[email protected]" <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce References: <[email protected]> To: [email protected]

Mr. Doyle,

    I am so glad I noticed your name on this list.  I have tried to access

your site, but unfortunately for some reason I can't get to the information on your surname list. Could you please contact me? I believe you had the following names that I am interested in: Whitney (of course), Penney, Chick (not sure of this one), and Shutron.

Thank you,

Michele Florida/USA

Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:54:12 -0500 From: Jill Toia <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] unsubscribe To: [email protected]

Please remove my name. Thanks.

Jill Toia

Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:05:08 -0700 From: "THE ENGLAND'S" <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] unsubscribe To: [email protected]

Please remove my name. I am on two other mailing lists and simply can't keep up with all of it. I may join again at a later time. Thank You Lisa K. England

Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:16:25 -0500 From: "J. Michael Poston" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] "Recollections" by Henry E. Whitney Sr. To: [email protected]

The "Daddy Long Legs" Henry Whitney referred to in his autobiographical sketch must have been one of the silent film versions of a popular novel from the early part of the 20th century. It was later made into a film starring Fred Astaire and Audrey Hepburn.

The novel is a series of letters by a young girl to her guardian whom she has never met, but has only seen the shadow of legs at his departure from her boarding school. The headmistress insists that she correspond with her benefactor/guardian and, since she knows no other name, she calls him "Daddy Long Legs." The letters cover the time from her teen years through college and are thoroughly delightful. The college scenes described could only date from around 1910 or before, yet my daughters thoroughly enjoyed the book when we read it together a few years ago.

Mike Poston Rockville, Maryland

Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:38:26 -0600 From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce To: [email protected]

At 01:13 AM 1/28/99 -0500, "Henry M. Whitney" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Before getting too far into such a project, however, it might be worthwhile >to lay out some criteria as to file specifications, format, etc. Would an >attempt be made to create a mirror image of the pages? How do we >assure accuracy regardless of how the information was transcribed?

You bring up three very valid points: FORMAT, ACCURACY, and ERRORS.

FORMAT:

I agree that we need to define some standards in order to keep the results of our work consistant and useful. My thoughts were to have the results in pure ASCII, just as Project Gutenberg does. This is a very universal format. Nearly every editor in the world can save a file to this format, and nearly every editor can read it. ASCII is also very easily converted to HTML format. My thoughts were to have the transcribed version mimick the original as closely as possible. Spelling, placement of line-feeds, etc. A page number indicator such as this: [Page 47] would be added between each page to indicate the original page number that the data was located on. Photographs would be noted in [Brackets] but not included in the ASCII version. If/when we later convert the ASCII version to HTML these images can easily be added with the appropriate HTML code.

ACCURACY:

>For example, I plan to use OmniPage Pro in converting scanned images >to text. While the software claims 99% accuracy, we're dealing with >pages whose text is 4 1/2" X 7 1/4" excluding headers and footers. >I counted approximately 9 lines per inch. The type is quite small, probably >no more that 8pt.

Whether a transcriber uses OCR software or types it in manually, there are going to be errors. Part of the process of doing OCR is to make corrections and review what the computer has done. I would hope and ask that each transcriber review their work before sending in the finished results. In addition, many transcribing projects such as this one add another layer - proofreading. As people send in their transcriptions, we could have another volunteer proofread their results. I am not against doing this and hope to be able to do this in the future, but we currently have a limited number of volunteers and my goal is to get started, get some data out there, and see if this project is even viable.

ERRORS:

>There is another point that should be considered. It is my understanding >that there are numerous errors in Pierce. Should footnotes be inserted >where known conflicts exit or is the book to be recorded as is?

We all know that the Pierce book contains errors, but we need to keep the project goal in mind. We are not trying to create a book to update Pierce (yet), we are just trying to duplicate Pierce. We need to make sure that the transcription is as close to the original as we can get it. However, I believe that as a group we can identify known errors and place bracketed notices within the transcription leading researchers to another page with updates and notes. In this way, we maintain the original yet are able to add links to updates. I believe that these should only be added after being discussed and agreed upon here.

>Please don't misunderstand my motives in raising these questions. >I am anxious to work on the project and am willing to commit considerale >time to it, but urge that we lay out some ground rules before proceeding >too far.

Thank you for making your comments, Henry. We need to get these things ironed out before we get too far under way. My responses above are just that - mine. They are not what we have to follow. If you disagree, please speak up!

Tim Doyle http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ [email protected] ftp://ftp.doit.com/pub/tdoyle/

Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:04:33 -0800 From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Pierce Transcription To: [email protected]

WRG,

I am in total agreement with Tim Doyle's most recent posting regarding format and errors.

I typed in my first 5 pages last night. It took me about 3 hours of solid typing. I used MS Word. I made a few rules for myself as I went along.

1. I took out the periods after the date abbreviations:

    Nov. 25, 1775 became Nov 25, 1775.

2. I took out the periods after the state abbreviations:

    N.Y. became NY.

3. Other than that, I typed it EXACTLY as Pierce, mistakes, errors and

    all.  I made no outside notes or anything.

4. After finishing each page, I went back and spell checked it.

5. Then I CAPITALIZED and BOLDED the main characters.

6. Then I went all the way back through and CAPITALIZED all surnames that I

    could find.  This will make browser searches much easier.  For

instance

    one of my family lines is SMALL.  It is very difficult to search

because I

    get every instance of the word small, including non-surnames in my

results. If I

    can search "case sensitive" and the surnames are capital then it

whittles it down.

7. I attempted to format the paragraphing as close to Pierce as possible.

I have not submitted this to Tim Doyle yet, because I need to proof read for date errors. But I will attach it here so everyone can see. (OH, NO I CAN'T BECAUSE THE LISTSERVER DOESN'T ALLOW ATTACHMENTS - If you want to see it, let me know and I will attach it to a personal email address.) Now we have 10 pages down and only 634 to go. If everyone does 5 to 15 pages, we'll be done in no time.

Now for my last suggestion. I thought long and hard last night and I think an ideal situation would be to continue with Pierce as a text based "as is" version. And then for each of our own lines we could enter the facts into a genealogy database format. Then if we cut and paste the notes by Pierce we will have the best of both worlds. The facts can be corrected along the way and yet we will still have Pierce's verbage. Then if we decide to merge them all into one database on a website, we can do that too. On my Generations program, I can print a Register Report that numbers just like Pierce did, and then add the notes along with the facts in a narrative form. It also prints a wonderful alphabetical index with birth and death dates and references to the report numbers assigned (John-1) and not just page numbers. Please let me know if you want me to post an example. I am sure the other types of

family tree programs do much the same.

Shawn Whitney

From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:47:51 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Strange Question To: [email protected]

I have been reading and reading and reading and reading, well you get the picture. My only problem is that it seems like just about all the names that come up are from either Massachusetts or Maine. What about the Whitney's in Canada. Doesn't anyone have a history on them? Thanks Beth

Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:05:24 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]>

       "[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
       "[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
       "[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
       [email protected]

Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Class of 1921 To: [email protected]

I have uncovered my grandparents year book from Bangor High school Class of 1921. It contains 221 names from Marie B. Adams to Mona L. Yelland. Seems like a lot of names, do you think a lot of kids from other towns came too? If anyone would like me to look up names for them, please feel free to ask. If I get enough requests I'll just post all the names in a large email to all the lists.

Happy Hunting,

Michele

From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:27:03 EST Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Strange Question - Not at all! To: [email protected]

Dear Beth:

I hope you will forgive me for sending this answer to your post to the entire WRG as well as directly to you. I think the reason is obvious.

I'm so glad you raised this question. I have long thought that we needed a Canadian subgroup in the Whitney Research Group! There have been a few postings about Whitneys (loyalists?) who migrated from MA or ME to Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, but little else about Canada. Yet I do know that there are three or four of our northern cousins represented on the list.

I certainly hope that you will get together and find out where you all stand with respect to the question of origin. I'm sure that some have descended from immigrants from the "lower 48," but I'm equally sure that there are at least some of you who stem from lines that came directly to Canada from the British Isles (forgive me, you Irish Whitneys - in my ignorance, I don't know what else to call them) -- surely not just from England itself. In lines other than my Whitney ancestors, I have PADutch and others who went to Upper Canada in the early 1800's and then either moved west to Alberta or over into Michigan.

Perhaps the best way to proceed would be for those interested in Canadian Whitneys to announce themselves on the maillist, and then you can explore among yourselves the possibilities of connections, and how a focus can be kept on this branch of our common family.

Any takers out there?

Allan E. Green "Si hoc legere scis niminium eruditionis habes." Barbourville, KY IBSSG (Charter) [email protected], [email protected] "Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census."

From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:29:17 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] database correction To: [email protected]

Hi Guys,

Here's something that came to me because the sender wasn't a subscriber.

Dear Sirs,

You have some wrong information down for my brother's day of death. He was killed in a work accident on Nov. 30 1994 not Dec 2nd 1994.

His name is Brett Cassel, and yes he died in Manchester NH just the date is wrong.

Thank you for your concern

-- The 3 C's Craig, Cheryl and Cody Cassel YMMP Box 1036 Manando 95011 Sul-Ut Indonesia

From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:16:41 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Another message from a non-subscriber To: [email protected]

Hi,

I have been searching for a Sarah Hoyt, born in 1759. I have had a difficult time finding her because she had such a common name. Her husbands name is a little less common, Nason Cass (Captain). I have found that Nason is misspelled often. I have seen it spelled as "Muason" and "Manson". The second misspelling of Nason was what I found in the WINCH database at http://www.rootsweb.com/~gumby/genweb/Winch

I am fairly certain I am correct. The dates, locations and the fact that he was a captain all line up. If you are interested in the ancestory of Nason CASS, I have alot on his line on my webpage: http://users.deltanet.com/~hilander

Lissa

Dave & Lissa Garman [email protected] http://users.deltanet.com/~hilander

From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:37:54 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Canadian Whitney's To: [email protected]

Dear Whitney Grp:

In response to your letters about Canadian Whitney's. Ellen Collins and I have been working on the descendants of Ebenezer Whitney b. Abt. 1745/47. We have made contact with Robert Ward and he is willing to put our Canadian line on his web site. We have been listing all the names, birth, death and marriages. We now have 77 pages and I'm making corrections and additions. We do not want to put this on the web until we have permission from a number of sources and permission from the small group of us that have exchanged family lines with.

We will go with what we have to get this started and then, maybe more information can be added once it's on line.

I'm hoping this won't be too much longer!!!

Regards, Mary Ellen Jones

From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:40:44 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Still cleaning up my e-mail(Whitney stuff) To: [email protected]

From: [email protected] To: [email protected]

Hi, My name is Bev. I'm looking for genealogy information on Laura Whitney, born in 1792 (in MA, I believe) . Her marriage intentions to Peter Atwood were published in the Chester, MA Vital Records for October 29, 1814. They had a daughter, whether natural or adopted, named Sophia Atwood (my ggg- grandmother). She was born the same year they were married....which of course would indicate that Laura was pregnant prior to their marriage. I'm curious to know what lineage Laura Whitney is from....and whatever became of her. (Peter remarried December 21, 1825 to Mehitable Phebe Clark and had another family. Other records show that Peter was born and died in New York....also where he lived with his second wife and family.....although he did live for a time in MA) Also, on her death certificate (d. 1871), Sophia, the daughter of Laura and Peter, listed Mehitable Phebe Clark as her mother, (which would mean she was probably the one who raised Sophia--which makes me think that either Laura Whitney died while Sophia was a child or she left Peter and Sophia). On the back of a family photo of Sophia, it was written that she was "part- indian". I've been told that Laura's lineage has been traced back to England and she had no Indian blood, so that would indicate that either Sophia was adopted (not likely) or Peter Atwood was an Indian. I have a feeling that the reason I've had so much difficulty finding more information on Peter Atwood is just that...because he was of Indian descent. Family information indicates perhaps even or Canadian origin. Any information you could contribute or lead me to regarding Peter Atwood and Laura Whitney would be much appreciated!

~Bev ([email protected])

Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:42:20 -0700 (MST) From: Pamela Wojahn <[email protected]>

Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney/Nichols To: [email protected]

I had posted some information on my Whitneys and Nichols as the following: I have a Mary Whitney who married a Jonathan Nichols. They had a daughter named Eleanor Nichols, born Oct. 24, 1822 in Collins, Erie Co., New York and married a Squire Cogswell in Dec. 25, 1843

Someone had sent me this family group sheet:

Jonathan Nichols born Aug. 14, 1795 in Cherkshire, MA and died Dec. 23, 1873 in barry Twp, (Barry) MI

  Father was Jonathan Nichols and mother was Anna Hugins
  They were married march 23, 1815 in Big Flats, New York

Spouse was Mary Whitney: born Feb. 2, 1795 of Newton, New York she died Dec. 15, 1873 in Barry, MI

   Father was Thomas Whitney  mother was Hannah Parker

Here are their following children and spouses:

1. Aaron Whitney Nichols sp. Catherine Walker 2. Adeline Nichols sp. francis Bennett 3. Hannah Nichols sp. Daniel robinson Burdick 4. Eleanor Nichols sp. Squire Cogswell they were

     married in South Bristol New York  this is mine link

5. George Washington Nichols sp. Naomi Grover 6. William Henry Nichols 7. Charles Bow Nichols sp. Sarah Huffman 8. Benjamin Franklin Nichols sp. Jane Elizabeth Tapley 9. Thomas Whitney Nochols 10. Mary Ann Nichols 11. Emily Nichols sp. william Wright

If anyone has info on Jonathan Nichols and his parents and Mary Whitney and her parents so I can trace this back I would appreciate it. I am stuck at tracing Squire Cogswell back.

Sincerely Pam

From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:56:50 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Some life history of New Jersey Whitneys To: [email protected]

Hello everyone, I have scanned a section from the book "The Glassboro Story 1779-1964, written by Robert D. Bole and Edward Walton Jr., Maple Press, York, PA 1964 The section covers the lives of Samuel A., Eben and Thomas Whitney, brothers - They were called the Big Three Whitneys of Whitney Glassworks, Glassboro, New Jersey. Their grandfather Samuel, moved from Boston, MA to Castine, Maine, where their father Ebenezer was raised. They were descended as follows: Samuel/Eben/Thomas-7, Ebenezer-6, Samuel-5, Benjamin-4, Thomas-3, Thomas-2, John-1 I have it in MS Word format and can send it as an e-mail attachment if any of you are interested! It is really quite fascinating. Let me know........ Kathy Whitney Conlin

Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:44:24 -0600 From: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce To: [email protected]

With the addition of Shawn Whitney's contribution of pages 121-125, we are now 1/66th complete! OK, so that's only ten pages, but we're on our way!

We still need to work out some issues regarding format, etc. There are currently five people assigned to pages, and I think I'll hold off assigning any more until I work with this group and work out some of these issues. If you're one of the several people who has volunteered that I haven't gotten back to, hang in there, I should know more this weekend.

As for tonight, I'm headed to bed. Night all! :)

Tim Doyle http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ [email protected] ftp://ftp.doit.com/pub/tdoyle/

Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:10:55 -0600 From: Rosemary Naastad <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Some life history of New Jersey Whitneys References: <[email protected]> To: [email protected]

Hello Kathy,

I would be interested in receiving an e-mail attachment about"The Glassboro Story 1779-1964". I have a Charles E. Whitney b 1809, living in Heartland, Me. area and raising a family. I've never made a connection yet. Maybe this will lead somewhere. Thank you for sending the information.

Rosemary Naastad Minnesota

[email protected] wrote:

> Hello everyone, > I have scanned a section from the book "The Glassboro Story 1779-1964, written > by Robert D. Bole and Edward Walton Jr., Maple Press, York, PA 1964 > The section covers the lives of Samuel A., Eben and Thomas Whitney, brothers - > They were called the Big Three Whitneys of Whitney Glassworks, Glassboro, New > Jersey. Their grandfather Samuel, moved from Boston, MA to Castine, Maine, > where their father Ebenezer was raised. They were descended as follows: > Samuel/Eben/Thomas-7, Ebenezer-6, Samuel-5, Benjamin-4, Thomas-3, Thomas-2, > John-1 > I have it in MS Word format and can send it as an e-mail attachment if any of > you are interested! It is really quite fascinating. > Let me know........ > Kathy Whitney Conlin

Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 06:56:46 -0500 From: DAVID J KOSHAR <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Southern Whitney GEDCOM Sender: DAVID J KOSHAR <[email protected]> To: [email protected]

Michael,

 Please send me a copy of the WHITNEY Gedcom file.  Thank you very much in

advance.. Ann (HAGER) LINT [email protected]

Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:01:35 -0500 From: DAVID J KOSHAR <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Pierce's WHITNEYS Sender: DAVID J KOSHAR <[email protected]> To: [email protected]

Hi!

  I think this is a great idea!  I would be willing to help if I can...

Ann (HAGER) LINT [email protected]

Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:09:22 -0500 From: DAVID J KOSHAR <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Henry Austin Whitney Sender: DAVID J KOSHAR <[email protected]>

To: [email protected]

Shawn,

  Yes, I would like copies of the info you mentioned...  I have a BOSWORTH

line and my HAGER line married into the WHITNEYs, as well as several others, including RICE and PARKHURST.

  Thank you in advance.  If I can share anything I have, let me know...

Regards, Ann (HAGER) LINT [email protected]

From: [email protected] Date: 29 Jan 1999 15:15:56 CST/CDT Subject: [WHITNEY-L] <none> To: [email protected]

This was just sent to me by a cousin in Maine who has been extremely helpful to me over the past couple of years. If anyone else is researching Maine lines, maybe this will be of interest.

Greg Cote

Greg, I was in the Piscataquis Registry of Deeds earlier this week and looked for something on Andrew or Richard Whitney. And found something I hope is pertinent.

Vol 8 pg 64 11-3-1842 Warranty Deed From Richard Whitney, for $900, paid by Sarah Whitney, Sebec, a single woman. 50 acres of land between lots of David Sands and Abraham Ireland, James Spearing and Benjamin Spearing, Ezekiel Getchell and George Livermore. Part of Lot 1, 5th Range. Part of same as conveyed to Richard Whitney by Samuel Whitney 11-13-1837. Signed by Richard Whitney and Martha Whitney

Vol 8 pg 65 11-3-1842 Warranty Deed From Richard Whitney, for $600, paid by Andrew Whitney, Sebec, yeoman. 50 acres of land in Lot 1, 4th Range, bordered by: westerly, Robert Morrison; northerly, part of Lot 1, 5th Range; easterly, land occupied by Joshua Livermore; southerly, part of Lot 1, 3rd Range. Signed by Richard Whitney

>From the Census records, I know that Richard had a daughter Sarah who was age 31 in the 1850 Census, oldest child in the family. Andrew was 26 in 1850 in that Census. That means they would have been pretty young to be transacting properties in 1842 but it’s possible that Richard had a reason for transferring some of his property to his oldest children.

I checked for the transaction between Samuel Whitney and Richard Whitney 11-13-1837 and found that Richard Whitney was shown ‘of Northport’ in that deed. I later checked the Whitney Genealogy at Bangor Public Library but couldn’t find anything on Richard Whitney in Northport. However, I did find some Whitneys, in the same generation with Richard, in the Belmont and Morrill areas. Those places are not far from Northport so it’s worth considering. I kind of browsed the Whitney site on Internet but didn’t make a connection. Perhaps some of the people connected with that site could find something.

It’s possible the Richard of Gorham traveled up the coast and stopped off in the Penobscot Bay area before coming to Sebec. Or, it could be a different one. If you want more of the details, I could get a copy on my next visit, as I know there will be a next visit.

From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:49:02 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Pierce Transcription Process To: [email protected]

Dear Tim and others involved:

A thought occurred to me. The IIGS (International Internet Genealogical Society?) is trying to keep a record of all ongoing document and record transcription projects to help avoid duplication and promote efficiency and common standards. Could they A) help us with format and procedure questions, and B) allow us to make known our intentions to avoid overlap? Is this something we want to connect with?

BTW, remember, I can't help, but did offer the loan of my very good microfilm copy of the Pierce to anyone who can use it at home. It is a copy of the original publication done by University Microfilms in Ann Arbor.

Allan E. Green

Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:12:58 -0700 From: "W.G. \"Bill\" Whitney" <[email protected]> To: Tim Doyle <[email protected]> CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce References: <[email protected]>

Good initiative. I will do at least five pages.

Tim Doyle wrote:

> I believe that undertaking the transcription of Pierce's work would be an > excellent project for this group. This is one of the best organized groups > of researchers for a surname that I have found on the internet. > > I believe that making a scanned version of Pierce available on the net > would have too high a cost (file sizes) and come with too small a benefit > (you can't do a word search on photo files). I also don't believe that > creating a GEDCOM of the data would be beneficial as we'd still have the > problem of wanting to see exactly what wording Pierce used. > > This leaves us with the task of transcribing Pierce, word for word. The > book is 664 pages long, once you omit the index. 664 pages sounds like a > huge task, but if we break that down into units of 5 pages each, we have a > manageable number of 133 sets. Certainly we could round up enough people to > take on transcribing a five page set to make a useful dent in the project. > > I propose that we go foreward with the project. Those that have their own > copy could transcribe the portions that they desire. Those with scanners > can make scanned versions available to others who want to transcribe but > who do not have access to the book. Photocopies could also be made > available if that was found to be easier than scanning. > > In hopes that we do decide to go foreward with this project, I have created > a webpage at http://outburst.com/whitney/pierce that demonstrates what I > think is a good starting place for people to 'adopt' a set of pages to > transcribe. If you're interested, take a look and let me know what you think. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Tim Doyle http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ > [email protected] ftp://ftp.doit.com/pub/tdoyle/

Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:12:58 -0700 From: "W.G. \"Bill\" Whitney" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Transcribing Pierce References: <[email protected]> To: [email protected]

Good initiative. I will do at least five pages.

Tim Doyle wrote:

> I believe that undertaking the transcription of Pierce's work would be an > excellent project for this group. This is one of the best organized groups > of researchers for a surname that I have found on the internet. > > I believe that making a scanned version of Pierce available on the net > would have too high a cost (file sizes) and come with too small a benefit > (you can't do a word search on photo files). I also don't believe that > creating a GEDCOM of the data would be beneficial as we'd still have the > problem of wanting to see exactly what wording Pierce used. > > This leaves us with the task of transcribing Pierce, word for word. The > book is 664 pages long, once you omit the index. 664 pages sounds like a > huge task, but if we break that down into units of 5 pages each, we have a > manageable number of 133 sets. Certainly we could round up enough people to > take on transcribing a five page set to make a useful dent in the project. > > I propose that we go foreward with the project. Those that have their own > copy could transcribe the portions that they desire. Those with scanners > can make scanned versions available to others who want to transcribe but > who do not have access to the book. Photocopies could also be made > available if that was found to be easier than scanning. > > In hopes that we do decide to go foreward with this project, I have created > a webpage at http://outburst.com/whitney/pierce that demonstrates what I > think is a good starting place for people to 'adopt' a set of pages to > transcribe. If you're interested, take a look and let me know what you think. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Tim Doyle http://www.doit.com/tdoyle/ > [email protected] ftp://ftp.doit.com/pub/tdoyle/

Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:17:51 -0700 From: "W.G. \"Bill\" Whitney" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Pierce Transcription References: <[email protected]> To: [email protected]

If so many people are going to do all that work, you really want the whole thing in text, and all consistent. It would be a remarkable achievement and a very useful tool to researchers.

Shawn Whitney wrote:

> Dear WRG, > I have received tons of email since my suggestion that we transcribe > Pierce's book. > Was that just last night. > Looks like it will get done. But before we go too far lets look at what > is already being done and decide which format so that we don't end up > with two partially completed transcriptions. > > Tim Doyle has got a handle on a page by page transcription (great > website and organization skills!). This would be a searchable format > with a browser, if I am correct? > > Jon Aston has information up to page 46 (which is A LOT!) entered into > Family Tree Maker, which is a gedcom format. This, when finished could > be printed out and posted to reveal the same information as Pierce's > book but wouldn't "look" the same. > > I am waiting to hear from Jon regarding how much detail he is entering. > I think that if we are going to enter the book, we need to enter it > verbatim, even into a genealogy program. > > What do others think? > > Shawn in Seattle

Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:23:12 -0800 From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Pierce Transcription Process References: <[email protected]> To: [email protected]

WRG, Does anyone know if a microfilm reader exists that will download onto a computer? Just to bypass the scanning process? Perhaps Allan's copy has better type than the books the rest of us have and an OCR would better tackle it. I guess there would still be the problem of the indentations etc. Just an idea. Shawn Whitney

[email protected] wrote:

> Dear Tim and others involved: > > A thought occurred to me. The IIGS (International Internet Genealogical > Society?) is trying to keep a record of all ongoing document and record > transcription projects to help avoid duplication and promote efficiency and > common standards. Could they A) help us with format and procedure questions, > and B) allow us to make known our intentions to avoid overlap? > Is this something we want to connect with? > > BTW, remember, I can't help, but did offer the loan of my very good microfilm > copy of the Pierce to anyone who can use it at home. It is a copy of the > original publication done by University Microfilms in Ann Arbor. > > Allan E. Green

From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:44:51 EST Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Pierce Transcription To: [email protected]

if someone want's to fax me copies i'd be more than happy to put some pages into word and upload to where ever the "base" for this project is...I've not been to active on this mailing list...but i can type and would luv to contribute somehow...please let me know... Liz Whitcomb Cwiklik 7th gr-grandchild of Henry WHITNEY

Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:00:58 -0800 From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]>

Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Theodore Roosevelt Whitney To: [email protected]

To those of you who have expressed an interest in the material that I copied from "The Ancestors and Descendants of Theodore Roosevelt Whitney Profiles of an African American Family"

This book was just copyrighted in 1993 and autographed by the author in 1995. I committed copyright fraud just photocopying 8 pages. So every time I start to transcribe it or to scan it.... I stop.

I guess I would feel comfortable making some copies and mailing what I have. Even that is against the rules. But I don't feel comfortable sending it via the web. Perhaps we can attempt to contact the author and get his permission to publish the small references to the possibility that they are descended from slaves owned by the descendants of John and Elinor. Perhaps we can get it onto Robert Ward's site. I am sure that Harold Coleman Whitney would love any assistance the group might be able to give in actually making connections. Please give me some input on these issues.

The inside cover has this information if anyone wants to buy the book:

Please direct all correspondence and book orders to: Harold Coleman Whitney Apt. No. 1324 1901 Kennedy Blvd. Philadelphia, PA 19103

Thanks again, Shawn Whitney

Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:03:46 -0700 From: "W.G. \"Bill\" Whitney" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Strange Question - Not at all! References: <[email protected]> To: [email protected]

Dear Allan and subcribers;

I have a website in the works for the Canadian Whitney Family. If I ever finish the job it will have plenty of room for contacts across Canada. I would like to have an interactive mail board so we could all share in the news, but my computer skills may quash that idea. I already have several potential contacts in mind, Whitneys in British Columbia, Alberta, Ontario and New Brunswick who are quite knowledgable about the Whitney clan in their part of the world. The Ontario contact William G. Whitney (same name as mine) you already know about. He is a member of the mail group and is the fellow with the huge database of Whitney names in his computer.

There will be several interesting stories coming very soon - a Whitney Premier of the Province of Ontario, a steelmaker in the Maritimes and an Indian Chief in Alberta! And lots of ordinary heroes and heroines, too.

[email protected] wrote:

> Dear Beth: > > I hope you will forgive me for sending this answer to your post to the entire > WRG as well as directly to you. I think the reason is obvious. > > I'm so glad you raised this question. I have long thought that we needed a > Canadian subgroup in the Whitney Research Group! There have been a few > postings about Whitneys (loyalists?) who migrated from MA or ME to Nova Scotia > and New Brunswick, but little else about Canada. Yet I do know that there are > three or four of our northern cousins represented on the list. > > I certainly hope that you will get together and find out where you all stand > with respect to the question of origin. I'm sure that some have descended > from immigrants from the "lower 48," but I'm equally sure that there are at > least some of you who stem from lines that came directly to Canada from the > British Isles (forgive me, you Irish Whitneys - in my ignorance, I don't know > what else to call them) -- surely not just from England itself. In lines > other than my Whitney ancestors, I have PADutch and others who went to Upper > Canada in the early 1800's and then either moved west to Alberta or over into > Michigan. > > Perhaps the best way to proceed would be for those interested in Canadian > Whitneys to announce themselves on the maillist, and then you can explore > among yourselves the possibilities of connections, and how a focus can be kept > on this branch of our common family. > > Any takers out there? > > Allan E. Green "Si hoc legere scis niminium eruditionis habes." > Barbourville, KY > IBSSG (Charter) > [email protected], > [email protected] > "Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census."

From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:12:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Theodore Roosevelt Whitney To: [email protected]

You may not have violated "fair use" provided for in the copyright law. Small portions of a work may be copied for personal research use. As long as you are not profiting financially from making copies, and are sharing small portions, with people who are alos using the copies for personal research you are in a gray area of the law and are unlikely to be prosecuted for doing so. Copying the whole book or transcribing large chunks of it into electronic format are out. 8 pages seems within fair use to me, unless the book only has 15 pages. -Denise Cross Librarian

From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]> on 01/29/99 06:00 pm GMT

To: [email protected] cc: Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Theodore Roosevelt Whitney

To those of you who have expressed an interest in the material that I copied from "The Ancestors and Descendants of Theodore Roosevelt Whitney Profiles of an African American Family"

This book was just copyrighted in 1993 and autographed by the author in 1995. I committed copyright fraud just photocopying 8 pages. So every time I start to transcribe it or to scan it.... I stop.

I guess I would feel comfortable making some copies and mailing what I have. Even that is against the rules. But I don't feel comfortable sending it via the web. Perhaps we can attempt to contact the author and get his permission to publish the small references to the possibility that they are descended from slaves owned by the descendants of John and Elinor. Perhaps we can get it onto Robert Ward's site. I am sure that Harold Coleman Whitney would love any assistance the group might be able to give in actually making connections. Please give me some input on these issues.

The inside cover has this information if anyone wants to buy the book:

Please direct all correspondence and book orders to: Harold Coleman Whitney Apt. No. 1324 1901 Kennedy Blvd. Philadelphia, PA 19103

Thanks again, Shawn Whitney

From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:51:31 EST Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Pierce Transcription To: [email protected]

Hey Liz:

That's a most generous offer. Can I plant my tongue firmly in my cheek and ask if you have visions of later getting all us J&E types to help you do the Phoenix book(s) - all 2700+ pages of them?

Allan

From: "Eleanore Dilello" <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:30:03 -0500 Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Re: Canadian Whitneys To: [email protected]

Dear Subscribers:

I am in the process of compiling my Whitney's from Sophiasburg>Brighton, Ontario, Canada. I know that there are 3 other people who follow this site who are also related to this Whitney bunch. I am not very good at all this computer stuff but I am learning. Hopefully we can get all of the Canada Whitney's in one place.

My Whitneys are from John and Elinor.

There are many names, just to give you an idea...I will begin with:

Samuel Whitney b. Aug 7, 1758 - Newton Mass

son of Joseph Whitney and Mary Hastings  - he married

Mary Whitney b. June 19, 1761 at Worcester, Mass daughter of Capt. Joshua Whitney and Mary Clarke

Samuel's son William Bartholomew was the first Whitney in our family to come to Canada. He married Lydia Lawrence from Littleton, Mass. and traveled a bit in the states and finally came to St. Johns Waterloo and then finally settled in Sophiasburg, PE county ONtario. He had several children. My ancester was Williams son Samuel Whitney >Isaac Whitney>Victoria Whitney and so on.

would like to see the lines of other Whitney's from Canada.

Regards,

Eleanore Dilello Connecticut USA [email protected]

Original Message-----

From: W.G. "Bill" Whitney <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Strange Question - Not at all!

>Dear Allan and subcribers; > >I have a website in the works for the Canadian Whitney Family. If I ever finish >the job it will have plenty of room for contacts across Canada. I would like to >have an interactive mail board so we could all share in the news, but my computer >skills may quash that idea. I already have several potential contacts in mind, >Whitneys in British Columbia, Alberta, Ontario and New Brunswick who are quite >knowledgable about the Whitney clan in their part of the world. The Ontario >contact William G. Whitney (same name as mine) you already know about. He is a >member of the mail group and is the fellow with the huge database of Whitney names >in his computer. > >There will be several interesting stories coming very soon - a Whitney Premier of >the Province of Ontario, a steelmaker in the Maritimes and an Indian Chief in >Alberta! >And lots of ordinary heroes and heroines, too. > >[email protected] wrote: > >> Dear Beth: >> >> I hope you will forgive me for sending this answer to your post to the entire >> WRG as well as directly to you. I think the reason is obvious. >> >> I'm so glad you raised this question. I have long thought that we needed a >> Canadian subgroup in the Whitney Research Group! There have been a few >> postings about Whitneys (loyalists?) who migrated from MA or ME to Nova Scotia >> and New Brunswick, but little else about Canada. Yet I do know that there are >> three or four of our northern cousins represented on the list. >> >> I certainly hope that you will get together and find out where you all stand >> with respect to the question of origin. I'm sure that some have descended >> from immigrants from the "lower 48," but I'm equally sure that there are at >> least some of you who stem from lines that came directly to Canada from the >> British Isles (forgive me, you Irish Whitneys - in my ignorance, I don't know >> what else to call them) -- surely not just from England itself. In lines >> other than my Whitney ancestors, I have PADutch and others who went to Upper >> Canada in the early 1800's and then either moved west to Alberta or over into >> Michigan. >> >> Perhaps the best way to proceed would be for those interested in Canadian >> Whitneys to announce themselves on the maillist, and then you can explore >> among yourselves the possibilities of connections, and how a focus can be kept >> on this branch of our common family. >> >> Any takers out there? >> >> Allan E. Green "Si hoc legere scis niminium eruditionis habes." >> Barbourville, KY >> IBSSG (Charter) >> [email protected], >> [email protected] >> "Genealogists don't die, they just lose their census." > > > >

From: "Maynard" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Pierce Transcription Process Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:54:46 -0500 To: [email protected]

WRG

Our local library has a microfiche copier. If will make copies directly from the microfiche. Don't know if this would help, but thought I'd mention it.

Mike Maynard [email protected]

Descendent of Henry Whitney of CT

> From: Shawn Whitney <[email protected]>

> To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Pierce Transcription Process > Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 12:23 PM > > > WRG, > Does anyone know if a microfilm reader exists that will download onto a > computer? Just to bypass the scanning process? Perhaps Allan's copy has better > type than the books the rest of us have and an OCR would better tackle it. I > guess there would still be the problem of the indentations etc. > Just an idea. > Shawn Whitney > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > Dear Tim and others involved: > > > > A thought occurred to me. The IIGS (International Internet Genealogical > > Society?) is trying to keep a record of all ongoing document and record > > transcription projects to help avoid duplication and promote efficiency and > > common standards. Could they A) help us with format and procedure questions, > > and B) allow us to make known our intentions to avoid overlap? > > Is this something we want to connect with? > > > > BTW, remember, I can't help, but did offer the loan of my very good microfilm > > copy of the Pierce to anyone who can use it at home. It is a copy of the > > original publication done by University Microfilms in Ann Arbor. > > > > Allan E. Green >

From: "Mervin Warner" <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:30:19 -0500 Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Joshua Whitney To: [email protected]

I am looking for any information about Joshua Whitney of Moira NY. He was born before 1765. That is all I know about him. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Alice Whitney Warner

From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:31:37 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Sign me up to transcribe. To: [email protected]

I happen to have some photocopied pages of Pierce that I copied at my local library. I will transcribe pages 130-135. However, I only have Notepad and WordPad. Perhaps I could get a template or something. I don't want to type in all the tabs and not have them format when it translates to another word processor. I could also do it in Netscape. It would be nice to have searchable Pierce. I'll do five pages of Phoenix, too, if anyone is interested. The Phoenix book might be more manageable if we eliminate the descendants of Samuel who are in by mistake...Please let me know when you get settled on a format...A. Whitney Brown

From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:36:19 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Claude H. Whitney, Denver, CO, b. 1871 To: [email protected]

I am searching for any descendants of Clyde Lee Whitney, b. 1871, who lived in Denver, CO in 1906. He was the son of Willard and Hellen (Lee) Whitney. I have information on his ancestry if anyone is interested. Willard, b. 1840 Claude, b. 1871

From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:46:34 EST Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Lee D. Whitney, b. 1873, MI, and John L., b. 1880, MI To: [email protected]

I am searching for any descendants of Lee D. Whitney or John L. Whitney, sons of Willard Whitney and Hellen Lee of Girard, Branch County, MI. Lee D. Whitney, 1873, Girard, MI, m. 1897, Louella Gillet, resided, Burlington, MI John L. Whitney, b. 1880, Girard, Branch, MI, unmarried in 1906. They are grandsons of Ezra Whitney of Ontario County, NY I am also searching for the marriage or descendants of Cynthia Whitney, b. Mich, Jan, 1850, daughter of John and Jennet Whitney. She may have moved to Iowa around 1860.

Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:51:28 +0000 From: Roy & Michele Painter <[email protected]>

       "[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
       "[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
       "[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
       "[email protected]" <[email protected]>

References: <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney Family To: [email protected]

I have quite a bit of information on Ingerson and his descendants, but none on any of these other members of the family. If anyone out there has any information they could share I'd appreciate it.

Thank you,

Michele Marie Whitney Ball Leland Painter Florida/USA > > THE FAMILY OF AMOS AND HANNAH WHITNEY > > Amos Whitney b. 1794 Me., m. Hannah b. 1801 Me. > > CHILDREN: > > 1. Aesyut b. 1828. > > 2. *Ingerson b. 30 March 1824 Me., d. 3 January 1890 Hudson, Me., buried > Hudson, Me. > (Village), m. Celestia A. Gray, daughter of James and Mayhaler (Nutt) > Gray, b. 1839 > Bangor, Me., d. 22 June 1916 Bangor, Me., buried Hudson, Me. (Village). > > 3. Reginial b. 1829. > > 4. Prince E. b. 1830. > > 5. Mary E. b. 1832. > > 6. Matilda J. b. 1835. > > 7. William H. b. 1839. > > *Civil War > > Sources: > Kirkland Census 1850 > Hudson Census 1860 > Hudson Vital Records > Maine Archives > MOCA

Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:03:55 -0600 From: Rosemary Naastad <[email protected]> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] "The Glassboro Story 1779-1964" To: [email protected]

To Kathy Whitney Conlin

Thanks so much for sending the story, it really is fascinating.

Rosemary

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