Mailing List Discussions, July 1997

From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 10:51:04 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: The Sutro Library (SF) is great! Dear WRG: Visited the Sutro Library here in San Francisco yesterday, and found it to be amazingly excellent. In the browsing stacks I found THREE copies of the Stephen Whitney Phoenix book on the Whitneys of Connecticut (all three volumes), two copies of the Pierce (in sad shape - tied up in a boxlike affair) and even one of the Melville. I did take the time to look into volume 1 of the Phoenix, because I had never seen it, ignoring all ofwhat he said about the ancestry of Henry Whitney and the early family in England. The material after the family came to this country seems to be quite well documented (though I can't, of course, speak to the quality of interpretation of the material based on twenty minutes cursory glance). I spent my time using the card catalogue to identify and look through histories of OTHER families and other sources unknown to me. I did find several interesting sources, and some material that seems not to have found its way into our database (and I was using the "advance copy" of Witney12 that Jon just sent me two days ago, while he finishes up polishing it for general distribution. For whoever is interested in the descent of the Whitneys through the family of Sarah Whitney, daughter of Isaiah and Sarah Whitney, who was married to Andrew Parker, I do have some information that will expand the Whitney/Parker connections. Some of it does NOT agree with our database, but the man who wrote it in 1893 didn't have the same access to source material that we do, either. He thought, for instance, that this Isaiah Whitney was the son of Eleazer Whitney and the grandson of Thomas Whitney of Watertown, while our current thinking is that he (Isaiah) was a younger brother of Eleazer (who was the twin of Elnathan). I also picked up a number ot other marriages from this book, which I will report on in a few days. Also of interest is a little phamplet written by Edward Raymond Sandiford of Bloomfield, NJ - in 1941. In it he extends one of the lines much further by proving fairly conclusively that an Ezekiel Whitney of Pomfret, CT, was the son of Ebenezer(3) (Richard2, John1) Whitney, and then proceeds to enumerate his descent and "add them to the descent of John and Elinor Whitney of Watertown:. Again, I will be reporting on this material in a later note - I think I want to add it to the database and then print out a descendancy chart for inclusion in an e-mail. Today we leave the lap of sinful luxury here at the Fairmont Hotel and head north for a brief look at the wine country of Sonoma County (where MAL lives) and then on up the state toward the Redwoods, the coast, and on up into Oregon. I have not yet found out if I can find local AOL numbers up there, so may be out of touch for a day or three. Will certainly be back on-line when we get to Salt Lake City. Happy Hunting! Allan ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:27:31 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: 1790 CENSUS SEEKING additional information on the following families found in the 1790 Census. John Whitney ....Pendleton Co. S. C. he had 4 sons Ebenezer Whitney.....Wayne Co. N.C. had 3 sons Josiah Whitney.....Sampson Co. N.C. had 2 sons samuel Whitney .......Martin Co. N. C. no male children listed Sarah Whitney (must be a widow) .....Hyde Co., N. C. 2 sons Any help will greatly be appreciated........alicia Whitney brumfield ==================================================== Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 19:11:01 -0700 To: [email protected] From: "Patricia A. Whitney-Jones" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: The Sutro Library (SF) is great! Alan ~ I couldn't believe it!! I was just casually reading through your message and there was my great-uncle Ray's name (Edward Raymond Sandiford)!!! I am on the Whitney list and my connection to the Whitney's is listed in Robert L. Ward's "Whitney Lineages of the [[Whitney Research Group]]" . How exciting!!! Please let me know what the phamplet is called, when it was written, etc. etc. I just recently began investigating the paperwork I have (very little actually and just copies) of his work on our Mayflower heritage (Brewster, Alden, and Sampson). I'm in contact with the Mass. Society of Mayflower Descendants now and they have been very helpful. How would I go about finding out what else my great-uncle published? On his application to the Mass Mayflower Society is recorded his occupation as "Publisher's Representative" and business address c/o Chilton Co., 100 E. 42nd Street, New York, NY. His application to the Mayflower Society was submitted the year I was born ~ 1943, I have a copy of some typewritten notes of Uncle Ray ~ "Some more descendants of John and Elinor Whitney", "Some more descendants of John Warner of Farmington, Conn., an excerpt re: Warner Family, from "Genealogy of the Whitney Family" (facts and dates collected and written out by Jason Frost Whitney, 1874, at Wolcottvile, Conn., for Stephen Whitney Phoenix of No. 22 West 23rd Street, New York City, who is preparing a genealogy of the Whitney Family In America.", "Study of Land Records and Vital Records at Woodbury, Conn. ~ Re: Daniel Warner. I understand one of my brothers that there may be quite a bit of Whitney history at a summer location in Conn ~ Camp Bethel. I'm trying to plan a trip there to visit one of our oldest living relatives ~ a great aunt of mine. Please let me hear from soon.....I'm just so excited about this!!! Regards, ~Tricia~ At 10:51 AM 7/1/97 -0400, you wrote: {snip} > >Also of interest is a little phamplet written by Edward Raymond Sandiford of >Bloomfield, NJ - in 1941. In it he extends one of the lines much further by >proving fairly conclusively that an Ezekiel Whitney of Pomfret, CT, was the >son of Ebenezer(3) (Richard2, John1) Whitney, and then proceeds to enumerate >his descent and "add them to the descent of John and Elinor Whitney of >Watertown:. Again, I will be reporting on this material in a later note - I >think I want to add it to the database and then print out a descendancy chart >for inclusion in an e-mail. > Patricia Whitney-Jones {Lackie/Hoopes} San Diego, California RESEARCHING FAMILY NAMES: {FATHER'S SIDE} - LACKIE/LAVIGNE; SANDIFORD/WHITNEY; SANDIFORD/REID; SANDIFORD/PERRY; WHITNEY/TYLER; WHITNEY/WARNER; WHITNEY/FROST {MOTHER'S SIDE} - BULLEN/STAATS; BULLEN/MAXWELL; STAATS/CROCKETT; MCCRONE/HOFFECKER; MCCRONE/NAUDAIN; HOFFECKER/PEACH; HOFFECKER/ROBERTS ==================================================== Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 09:49:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Pamela Wojahn <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Whitney Eleanor Nichols married Squire Cogswell in 1842. He was from Monroe, New York. Her parents were Jonathan Nichols and her mother was Mary Whitney of New York. Eleanor was born in 1822. Any info would be greatly appreciated. I cannot find any other info on this Mary Whitney other than she was from New York and married a Nichols and had a daughter born on Oct.24, 1822 in. Cogswell was from Monroe near White Plains. ==================================================== Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 21:23:46 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: My files are now updated To: 1AllMyWhitneyCousins <[email protected]> Hello everyone! I have just updated my Gedcom files. You can download them directly from my Files Download Web page at this address: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jwmuse/files.htm Updated files include: My entire personal database - JWMALL.ZIP John and Elinor Whitney's descendants - JOHNWHIT.ZIP Various (Miscellaneous) Whitneys being researched - MISCWHIT.ZIP Also a couple of other files available on other lines (Cutler & Harding). Just thought I'd pass it along. Might give you something to do while waiting for Whitney12! :-) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse ==================================================== Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 09:52:25 -0400 To: [email protected] From: Thomas Beers <[email protected]> Subject: whitney Dear Cousins: Would like to hear from anyone with information on Deacon Joshua's side of the Whitney family, particularly the group that went to Northeastern Connecticut and Western New York State. My line is John Whitney Eleanor Deac. Joshua Whitney Abagail Tarball Cornelius Whitney Sarah Shepard Joshua Whitney unknown Matthias Whitney Dorcas John Whitney Christana Stafford Julius S. Whitney Jennie E. Partridge Elbert Douglas Whitney Aletta E. Brace Clifford William Beers Donna Alberta Whitney Thomas Whitney Beers Judith Louise Richardson Tom Beers ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 12:21:04 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: Whitney Database Hi John: Welcome to the [[Whitney Research Group]]! 1) If you have not yet done so, subscribe to the list by sending a message to: [email protected] that has as its ONLY content in the body of the message the word Subscribe NOTHING else - turn off your signature block if you have one. 2) The main database of the descendants of John and Elinor Whitney of Watertown in 1635 is to be found on Randy Winch's web site. Unfortunately, I am "on the road" and can't be sure that I remember the URL accurately. However, I am sure I remember another one, that of Robert Ward, who has lots of other Whitney information AND a link to Randy's page. That URL is: http://www.erols.com/rlward1/Whitney/ being certain that it is r "ell" ward "one" after the third slash. At this site you will find a listing of the lines of descent of many of the members of the WRG, a very full and complete descent for the first five generations, very carefully documented and sourced, the Whitney Vital Records extracted from dozens and dozens of MA towns and other sources, and the full text of two articles that bear significantly on the question of the english ancestry of this family. I certainly hope that we can help you with your Maine Whitneys - I remember that there are a number of our members who are currently working on this question, and I know that they will be anxious to hear from you. Please post the details of your earliest known Whitney ancestors to the list, and lets see if we can help. We will also be glad to add your Whitney data to the general picture of this family, but lets find out where they fit in, so we can make the best links possible. There are several other Whitney sub-groups that are NOT descended from John and Elinor, and I don't want to leave them out. Nonetheless, as far as I know, most if not all of the Whitneys in Maine stemmed from the J&E branch rather than one of the others. Looking forward to hearing from you soon. Happy Hunting! Allan E. Green <[email protected]> ==================================================== Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 18:36:11 -0400 From: Marion Leska <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: VERY Interesting Website!!! Dear Whitney researchers, I got this message on my Whittaker list, and checked it out. There are a LOT of WHITNEYs there. Check it out! "I was just searching the Net for Civil War photographs and came across an interesting site for those who may have had ancestors in the Civil War. The US Army Military History Institute at Carlisle Barracks has a website with a searchable photo database. The photo database has over 20,000 photos. You can search by name (I found two photos listed for Gen. Edward W. Whitaker) or by military organization (1st Connecticut Cavalry - for instance). Although you cannot see the actual photo, you can e-mail a request for a photocopy of the photograph (free), and purchase a photo if you desire. If you are interested go to: http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usamhi/PhotoDB.html Best wishes to all!" It seemed very interesting, and if anyone knows who "Pardon Whitney" who fought in the Civil War was, I'm curious. Marion Whitney Leska ==================================================== Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 23:18:55 -0700 To: [email protected] From: Gordon & Jane <[email protected]> Subject: Ancestry of John Whitney Hello, I am new to this listing and have been impressed by the quality of the information being gathered and exchanged. It is with some reluctance that I seek clarification to an issue that is old news for the rest of you. I am interested in clarifying the ancestry of the immigrant John Whitney to Massachusetts. I have found a number of resources, and was especially pleased to find Melville's book on the family with its connections to royalty. I was happy to add that information into my files. I was later disappointed to find the article "Whitney Origins Revisited" by Paul Reed in TAG, Vol 69. However, because most of his conclusions are based on chronology assumptions, and an occasional omission of reference, I have been reluctant to let the Melville line go. I assume this issue has been argued out, and that some consensus exists. Could someone please contact me directly to brief me on the current thinking about the issue? My descent from John and Elinor comes through their son John and Ruth (Reynolds) Whitney and, in turn, their daughter Ruth and Enoch Lawrence. I have requested a copy of the latest Whitney Gedcom, and I'm curious to see what it contains. I've seen the many requests, but I must have signed on too late to learn all that it covers. Is it a compilation of all descents from John and Elinor, and, if so, to whom should I present my complete line, and what are the requirements to do so? I look forward to hearing from someone regarding the Whitney ancestors in England, and would be pleased to share the information I have should anyone be interested. Gordon Kirkemo [email protected] ==================================================== Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:32:59 -0400 From: "Debbie J. Stlelmach" <[email protected]> Subject: Charles Whitney/Erie Co NY To: Whitney List <[email protected]> I am wrapping up a lengthly trip to western NY - visiting relatives - alive and deceased. I've found additional information about my Charles Whitney who has not been officially connected yet (possibly related to a Wm H Whitney of Aurora, Erie Co, NY). Here's what I found: Charles Whitney b 1823 Mass. d 1902 (possibly before 24 Feb) buried Langford Catholic Cemetery, Langford, Erie Co NY according to census records, he was in the military (probably civil war) family owned farm on Clarksburg Road, north of Langford. wife: Marrian Schneider b 4 Apr 1833 Paris, France (of german descent) d 20 Oct 1903 Lawtons, Erie Co, NY buried Langford Catholic Cemetery, Langford, Erie Co NY Children: Fanny b abt 1856 in Ohio she appears on the 1865 NYS census but not the 1870 or later census burial site unknown George M b 1858 Ohio d 1927 buried Langford Catholic Cemetery, Langford, Erie Co NY see below for additional info Mary Ann b 19 Mar 1862 Jackson, OH (my great grandmotner) d 1 Apr 1931 Collins, Erie Co, NY m 22 Feb 1880 North Collins to William H Taber buried North Collins Quaker Cemetery Lena b 1867 Erie Co, NY d 1930 buried Langford Catholic Cemetery, Langford, Erie Co NY Rose b 1868 Erie Co NY d 1940 buried Langford Catholic Cemetery, Langford, Erie Co NY ---------------------------- George M Whitney's family married bef 1885 to a Mary A Unknown appears in census in the North Collins Township up through 1880 and again in 1910. children: George N b 9 Nov 1885 Ohio d Sep 1964 buried Langford Catholic Cemetery, Langford, Erie Co NY William b abt 1887 Ohio Edward P b 17 Jan 1892 Ohio d Aug 1980 Buffalo, Erie Co, NY buried Langford Catholic Cemetery, Langford, Erie Co NY wife is Mary J (6 Aug 1900 - Feb 1984) tombstone indicates there were children from this marriage (father/mother on it) Olive Florence b 1893 Ohio d 1924 buried Langford Catholic Cemetery, Langford, Erie Co NY If you recognize any of these, please let me know. Thanks Debbie Stelmach [email protected] ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:37:01 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Whitneys I am seeking information on the Whitneys. My mother was a Whitney and I'm trying to do a family tree. So far I only have as far back as heer father and his paretns. Her father was John Smith Whitney born May 24, 1889 at 155 South St. Fitchburg, Mass.His Mother was Annie C. Whitney ( Smith) born in Fitchburg. and his father Arthur E, Whitney born in Weston, Mass. I would like any information I can get as to birth dates, deaths ancestors, decendants. etc Please E-mail me Thank you Beverly Hanner ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:32:42 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Lydia WHITNEY and James LOCKE, her parents and descendants Hi, Lydia WHITNEY, b. 9/6/1793, to ?, married James LOCKE, b. 5/18/1790 Thetford, VT. Who were Lydia WHITNEY's parents? Lydia and James moved to Wellsboro, Tioga, PA. James had been a silversmith in VT and became a gunsmith in Wellsboro. They had Lydia, James Kimball, Harriet, Daniel, Samuel, Perrin, Merrill, Susan M., Mary E., Charles, Nancy and Agnes. Did any of the children survive to adulthood, marry and have children? Lydia d. aft 1880 (found in the U.S. Census). When did she die? Thanks in advance for any help, Jerry Harrison [email protected] Albuquerque, NM ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:22:45 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Whitneys trying to connect myself with the Whitney lineage. My greatgrand father was Artuhur E. Whitney born ? in Weston Mass. Approx./ 1850s or 1860s. Thank you ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 19:37:28 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Orange, Mass Vital Records Oh, Happy Day!!!! For years we have been trying to find the family of Luna Leona Whitney who married Harvey Sherman at Edinboro, Penn. Then you published the Albion, Mass. vital records and there was the marriage of Abel Whitney and Sylvia Twitchell. Abel and Sylvia Whitney are burried at Edinboro, Penn. and I always suspected they were Luna's parents, but not enough proof. Now you came out with the vital records of Orange, Mass. and lo and behold there was the whole family and Luna's birth along with 3 sisters. . Our grateful thanks to all the research that so many of our "cousins" are doing. If anyone is doing any more research on Jabez Whitney & wife Elizabeth or the Twitcchel family, we will be glad to compare notes. We have a pretty complete record down from Harvey Sherman and Luna Whitney. Our best wishes to all our research cousins. Ralph & Fern Whiteley. ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 07:34:38 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Charles Bush Whitney additions July 9, 1997 From: Jewell Lewis Shane The following information is provided to complete the decendancy of Charles Bush Whitney, my great, great-grandfather. I would also like to know how this information gets into the geneology database. I am fairly new to the internet and have a lot to learn. Charles Bush Whitney married Emily Baker Hobbs on June 2, 1870. Emily was born June 27, 1844(?) in Leavelton, Tennessee and died august 19, 1916 Children of this marriage: 1. Charles Willie Whitney, b. 20 May 1871 Barren Co. KY d. 25 Nov 1905 m. Sarah Emma Taylor 24 May 1894 2. Camilia Whitney, b. 21 Aug 1873 Barren Co. KY d. 29 Oct 1944 m. Oscar Lee 2 July 1908 3. Lilia Whitney, b. 16 Aug 1875 Barren Co. KY d. 13 Sept 1947 m. George Washington Newman, This marriage produced one child, a daughter Nolan. Nolan's only child, a boy died as a teenage in a fire. He was not married and had no children 4. Loammi Baker Whitney, b. 4 Oct 1877 Barren Co. KY d. 20 Nov 1936 m. Una Wilson 5. Melrose Locksley Whitney b. 13 Dec 1879 Barren Co. KY d. 23 Aug 1933 m. Kate White 6. John Thomas Whitney b. 2 July 1886 Barren Co. KY d. 22 Nov 1906, no marriage, no children I will provide more information later on Charles Willie Whitney, my great grandfather. ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:28:39 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Whitney's in Kentucky Jewell, I'm researching Whitney's in Kentucky and would like to know if we can compare research....I back alittle further than your Charles Bush Whitney and my Whitney's left Kentucky around 1830 for Louisiana...... Let me know ....I'm having some trouble connecting Whitney's from Kentucky >SC/NC > Va & Ky >La... Thanking you in advance.....Alicia Whitney Brumfield ==================================================== From: "John L. Whitney" <[email protected]> To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney/Clark Marriage Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 20:47:12 -0400 Seeking siblings/ancestors of John Whitney b. 1799/1800 Maine, m. Malaha Clark in Harpswell (Cumberland) Maine in 1845 and removed to Florida. Any help appreciated and all responses answered. John L. Whitney 1106 woodlawn road Rockledge, Fl 32955 [email protected] ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 04:42:36 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] cc: [email protected] (carollarue) Subject: Re: Whitney/Clark Marriage In a message dated 97-07-12 04:27:52 EDT, you write: << Subj: Whitney/Clark Marriage Date: 97-07-12 04:27:52 EDT From: [email protected] (John L. Whitney) Resent-from: [email protected] To: [email protected] ('[email protected]') Seeking siblings/ancestors of John Whitney b. 1799/1800 Maine, m. Malaha Clark in Harpswell (Cumberland) Maine in 1845 and removed to Florida. Any help appreciated and all responses answered. John L. Whitney 1106 woodlawn road Rockledge, Fl 32955 [email protected] >> Dear John L Whitney, I am the webmaster of the Cumberland Co, MEGenWeb Project. If you have not done so yet please visit your pages. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mecumber/ Also please visit Carol LaRue's Harpswell, MEGenWeb Page http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/1760/meharp.html I am a Whitney cousin also. I have a family tree with photos you might find interesting. http://members.aol.com/youngcolby/young.html Good Luck, David C Young PS We invite queries related to Hapswell & Cumberland Co, Maine. ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 04:42:36 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] cc: [email protected] (carollarue) Subject: Re: Whitney/Clark Marriage In a message dated 97-07-12 04:27:52 EDT, you write: << Subj: Whitney/Clark Marriage Date: 97-07-12 04:27:52 EDT From: [email protected] (John L. Whitney) Resent-from: [email protected] To: [email protected] ('[email protected]') Seeking siblings/ancestors of John Whitney b. 1799/1800 Maine, m. Malaha Clark in Harpswell (Cumberland) Maine in 1845 and removed to Florida. Any help appreciated and all responses answered. John L. Whitney 1106 woodlawn road Rockledge, Fl 32955 [email protected] >> Dear John L Whitney, I am the webmaster of the Cumberland Co, MEGenWeb Project. If you have not done so yet please visit your pages. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mecumber/ Also please visit Carol LaRue's Harpswell, MEGenWeb Page http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/1760/meharp.html I am a Whitney cousin also. I have a family tree with photos you might find interesting. http://members.aol.com/youngcolby/young.html Good Luck, David C Young PS We invite queries related to Hapswell & Cumberland Co, Maine. ==================================================== To: [email protected] From: Amanda Carbery <[email protected]> Subject: WITNEY Edmund 1809 Chinnor, OXF/AUStralia Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 17:33:13 +1100 Hello Everyone I am new to the list and researching the WITNEY family from Chinnor, OXFordshire and descendants that migrated to Australia. William WITNEY, Farm Labourer and his wife Mary, were Living in Chinnor, OXF in 1843 1807 son John WITNEY m Patience WILDER, dau of Simon & Sarah WILDER (1) dau Sarah WITNEY born 1834 migrated to Australia on 25 Dec 1843 (2) son William WITNEY " 1836 " " " " (3) dau Hannah WITNEY " 1838 " " " " (4) son George WITNEY " 1840 " " " " (5) son Johnathan WITNEY "1843 " " ", aged 7 months. 1809 son Edward WITNEY a Farm hand, Currier, Groom, Tanner was born 26 Dec 1809 in Chinnor and baptised at St Andrew's Church, Chinnor, OXF. Edmund married Elizabeth RATLEY the daughter of Benjamin RATLEY & Hannah WHITE, in England (ca 1831) with whom he had twelve children.Edmund and his brother John and their families were Assisted Immigrants to Australia who arrived "United Kingdom" on 29 Apr 1844. 1. 19 Sep 1829 Henery WITNEY m Margaret LEWIS - died Merriwa, NSW AUS 1893 2. dau circa 1831. Died Chinnor, OXF in Dec 1843 3. 31 Dec 1834 Thomas WITNEY died in Sydney, NSW in 1844, child aged 9yrs. 4. dau circa 1836. Died Chinnor, OXF in Dec 1844. 5. 11 Feb 1838 Robert WITNEY m Annie HARVEY in 1867. Died at Stanmore 1925 6. 29 Jun 1840 Mary Anne WITNEY m Henry EZZEY on 6 Mar 1865. Died in 1919 7. 02 Jun 1843 Edmund WITNEY, died in Hobartville in 1845, infant 19 months the following children were born in Australia : 8. 20 Aug 1845 William WITNEY m Isabella Jane BURNS at Bathurst NSW in 1866 9. 30 Apr 1847 Elizabeth WITNEY died in Hobartiville in 1848,infant 9 months 10.24 Oct 1849 Jane WITNEY died at Richmond, NSW in 1850, infant. 11.03 Jan 1852 George WITNEY m Sarah Millicent BURNS in 1876 12. 1856 un-named male child died at Richmond in 1856 Regards Mandy >>From: Amanda Carbery <[email protected]> > ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:28:27 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Joshua Whitney Wills of Isle of Wight, Va. 1647-1800 Joshua Whitney: leg. wife Mathon: son David; son Jeremiah; son Samuel; daughter Kolzing; son Joseph; daughter Ruth; son Francis; daughter Ketring. Exs., sons, David and Jeremiah Whitney. died December 26, 1735. Recorded April 26, 1736. Wit: John Bentley, Jeremiah Bently, James Blair. (will also proven in North Carolina) page 104. Question: Any additional information on the above children will greatly be appreciated....... Haven't seen any information on a daughter Kolzing? ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:32:21 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Peggy Whitney A Peggy Whitney d. 30 Dec 1832 age 78 years in Allen Co. Kentucky she had been living with the children of John Whitney b. 1750 m. Ann Merritt. buried next to Peggy is a William Holder d. same day?? 30 Dec 1832 age 80 Allen Co. Kentucky. Who is she??? John Sr. had a son Uriah Whitney married a Elizabeth Holder daughter of a William Holder.... WHAT IS THE CONNECTION????? Thanks Alicia Whitney Brumfield ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:34:22 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Francis Whitney Francis Whitney married a Elizabeth Woodside 10 December 1790 Norfolk Co., Va. Who is this Francis Whitney? ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:45:18 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Jeremiah Whitney In the William & Mary College Quarterly: a Jeremiah Whitney and Susanna, his wife, widow of Robert Rogers, of Goochland (will made August 25, 1738) is heir in a will of William Parks proved 18 Jun 1750. Any additional information on this family ? ==================================================== To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Jeremiah Whitney Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 00:05:56 GMT From: [email protected] (Jo Ann Curbo) Here's some on Jeremiah Whitney. I believe that he is the Uncle of Mary Whitney Elkins mother of John, Joshua, and Shadrack. Has anyone seen an ELKINS link to WHITNEY? SOME GEORGIA COUNTY RECORDS VOL I, BEING SOME OF THE LEGAL RECORDS OF COLUMBIA, HANCOCK, JEFFERSON AND WARREN COUNTIES, GEORGIA compiled by The Rev. Silas Emmett Lucas, Jr -- Columbia County Deed Book A p 3. Recorded 8 April 1791, Power of Attorney dated 24 February 1791 by Mary Elkins formerly Mary Whitney of Col. Co. -- to her son-in-law William Taylor of same - to recover in Province of Virginia -- but especially that part of my right to my uncle Jeremiah Whitney, dec'd consisting of negroes and property. Signed Mary (X) Wlkins. Wit: Jno Tankersley, J.P. Wimmiam Hunt, John Luckey. p. 4 Recorded 8 April 1791, Deed of Gift dated 24 February 1791 bet. Mary Elkins of Col Co., and William Taylor of same for natural love & affection -- for her son-in-law property in Province of Virginia, formely property of her uncle Jeremiah Whitney dec'd and also sum of 5 lbs. to her paid by William Taylor. Signed Mary (X) Elkins. Wit: Jno Tankersley, J.P. William Hunt, Jno. Luckey THE VIRGINIA GENEOLGOIST Volume 26, Number 2 April-June 1982 p 126 Local Notices from the Virginia Gazette, Richmond, 1782 -- 13 July 1782 Susanna Whitney, administratrix advertises for sale to the highest bidder on first Monday in September all the estate of Jeremiah Whitney consisting of about 19 slaves, stock of horses, cattle, hogs and sheep and all house hold furniture. THE VIRGINIA GENEOLGOIST Volume 37, Number 4 Oct-Dec 1993 p 307 Buckingham County Justices 1777-1793 Jeremiah Whitney, dead THE VIRGINIA GENEOLGOIST Volume 23, Number 1 Jan-Mar, 1979 British Mercantile Claims, 1775-1803 p 184 Jeremiah Whitney. L72.13.9 1/2. Dead and no person from whom to get information futher than that his estate has been divided between his legal representatives. It is said a suit was brought in Buckingham Court to foreclose a mortgage. THE VIRGINIA GENEOLGOIST Volume 12, Number 1, Jan-Mar 1968 "Which William Shelton?" p 30 The probate and settlement of Robert Rogers. . . " To Jeremiah Whitney & Susannah his wife the widow of said Robert Rogers. . . p 31 . . . all my right and title to that part of land whereon Jeremiah Whitney now lives according to my Father's will. recorded 19 Nov 1745. . . This Indenture made this Eighteenth day of November in the year of our Lord one thousand Seven hundred forty and seven between William Shelton and Elizabeth his wife and Susanna Whitney formerly the wife of Robert Rogers. Dec'd of the parish of St James Northam in the County of Goochland. -- Jo Ann Curbo P.O. Box 584 Lorenzo, TX 79343 [email protected] -----------------------------Reply Separator--------------------------------- On 7/17/97 8:45AM, in message <"aTopd.A.MPF.s7ozz"@bl-14.rootsweb.com>, [email protected] wrote: In the William & Mary College Quarterly: a Jeremiah Whitney and Susanna, his wife, widow of Robert Rogers, of Goochland (will made August 25, 1738) is heir in a will of William Parks proved 18 Jun 1750. Any additional information on this family ? ==================================================== To: [email protected] From: Amanda Carbery <[email protected]> Subject: RE: WITNEY Edmund 1809 Chinnor, OXF/AUStralia Cc: [email protected] Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 19:08:30 +1100 >Was there any specific information that you wanted in connection with your >Chinnor Witneys ? Hello John Thank you for your reply. Basically I'm new to Genealogy and the information posted to date is what was given to me by my cousin. Basically I know nothing of the WITNEYS let alone the ones in Chinnor. I have been trying to learn about their location so I can locate the Census records to obtain more details. >From my understanding Oxfordshire is a little north west of London is that correct and this would be the location of Chinnor? I am after any information that anyone is willing to share, including origins of the name, etc or any advice or info forthcoming. Regards Mandy ==================================================== To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Joshua Whitney Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 11:50:24 GMT From: [email protected] (Jo Ann Curbo) Data on Joshua Whitney - WHITNEY FAMILY OF BERMUDA, VIRGINIA, NORTH CAROLINA, SOUTH CAROLINA, AND KENTUCKY by David A. Avant, Jr., A.M. p 235 BERMUDA COMPOSITE DEEDS, Vols. 9, 1, pp 45-48 26 Dec 1720 - "JOSHUA WHITNEY of Pembrooke Tribe in Bermuda or Sommer Islands Marriner" (sells to) CAPT FRANCIS LANDRY of the same Tribe and Islands also Mariner. . . for L45. . . one acre . . . in Pembrooke Tribe. . . bounding East on the Lands of ABRAHAM ADDERLY West on the Lands of THOS COLLINS North on Other lands of the said JOSHUA WHITNEY and South on And in lett of the Sea called Crowland. . . with all Ceder and Ceder Trees. . . /s/ JOSHUA WITNEY The mark of MARY WHITTNEY Sealed and Delivered in presence of Wm RICHARDSON, GEO. EVE, THOS BURTON. . . Rece'd this 26th day of Dece' 1720 from CAPT FRANCIS LANDRY the full and Just Sum of forty five pounds Current money. . . /s/ JOSHUA WHITTNY (Wit:) Wm RICHARDSON, GEO; EVE, THOS BURT . . Livery of seizin given by JOSHUA WHITTNY to Mrs. RUTH LANDY as ATTORNEY to CAPT FRANCIS LANDY (Wit:) THOMAS BURTON, JOHN WARD, JOSEPH PITT< JOHN BENNETT 15 Jan. 1721/22 rec. by RICHARD TUCKER deputy secretary. JOSHUA WITNEY and JONAS RAWLINGS enter bond for L200 on 26 Dec. 1720 /s/ JOSHUA WHITTNEY, JONA his = Mark RAWLINGS. Attest by RIChARDSON and BURTON on 15 Jan. 1721/22 and rec. by RICHARD TUCKER, dep. sec. COMMENT: This is the last record found for JOSHUA WHITNEY in Bermuda. He is next located in VA in 1721 in the records below. [Records and Comments by WILLIAM L. HOPKINS] Isle of Wight, VA., Deeds, Wills Great Book, Vol. 2, (1715-1726), p 413-414 15 May 1721 - indenture between THEOPHILUS JOYNER of Isles of Wight and JOSHUA WHITNEY of island of Burmudos. . . for sum of 5 shillings. . . grant & bargain to JOSHUA WHITNEY . . . 200 acres in Co. of Isle of Wight. . . being part of tract given me my father THOS JOYNER by deed 1 FEB. 1681. . . s/THEOPHILUS (X) JOYNER. Wit: H. LIGHTFOOT, TIMOTHY TINES, RICHARD BROOK. 22 MAY 1721 - THEOPHILUS JOYNER Ack. deed to JOSHUA WHITNEY, REc. H. LIGHTFOOT, Cl. Curt. 16 May 1721 - indenture between THEOPHILUS JOYNER of Isle of Wight Co. and JOSHUA WHITNY of Island of Burmudos for sum of L41/15 current money of Va. . . sell to JOSHUA WHITNY. . . 200 acres in Co. aforesaid. . . part of tract given me by my father THOS JOYNER by deed 1 Feb 1681. . . Ibid., pp 728-729 1 Dec. 1725 - Indenture between CHRISTOPHER REYNOLDS & ELIZABETH REYNOLDS of Lower Parish of Isle of Wight Co and JOSHUA WHITTNEY of ye same Parish & Co. . . Marcht in Va. . . for consideration of 5 shillings sell all lands where GILES DRIVER now liveth. . . (adjoining former) land of ELIZABETH REYNOLDS. . . land between the two creeks. . . 150 acres. . . s/CHRISTOPHER REYNOLDS< ELIZABETH (X) REYNOLDS. Wit: JOHN (R) WHITFIELD, MARY (X) WHITFIELD. 27 Dec. 1725 - CHRISTOPHER REYNOLDS Ack. deed. Rec. H. LIGHTFOOT, Cl. Curt COMMENT: These important deeds shows that JOSHUA WHITNEY of Bermuda first purchased land in Isle of Wight Co., Va. in May of 1721, that he was a merchant at that time, and he lived in the lower Parish of Isles of Wight Co., VA. IBID., Deed Book 4 (1729-1736), pp 128-129 21 Mar. 1732 - Indenture between JOHN REYNOLDS of Isle of Wight Co. and JOSHUA WHITNEY whereas CHRISTOPHER REYNOLDS, fathe of JOHN REYNOLDS & ELIZABETH wife of said CHRISTOPHER REYNOLDS by Indentures of Lease ane Release bearing date of first & seco day of Dec. 1725. . . did sell to JOSHUA WHITNEY tract where Gyles DRIVER lived. . . for Sum of Five Shillings Currant Money of VA. . . . Hath . . . for ever quit Claim. . . unto. . . . JOSHUA WHITNEY all . . . Lands Tenemts & P'mises. . . all the Estate Right Title. . . of Said JOHN REYNOLDS. . . to the sd Lands P'miss's & Tenements. . . In Witness whereof . . . JOHN REYNOLDS hath set his hand & seal the Day & Year first above written. . . s/JOHN REYNOLDS. Wit: JOHN WRIGHT, MOSES GREEN, HEN LIGHTFOOT, C.C. -- Jo Ann Curbo P.O. Box 584 Lorenzo, TX 79343 [email protected] ==================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 09:58:09 -0400 From: Bonnie <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: WHITNEY-NY Hoping to find additional information on my WHITNEY line. Thank you, Bonnie [email protected] Descendants of Jeremiah WHITNEY 1 Jeremiah WHITNEY b: 18 September 1731 Ridgefield, CT . +Eva YOUNGS ........ 2 Martha WHITNEY ............ +John VAN NESS d: 1832 in Jerusalem, Yates County, New York .................. 3 Vanandrus VAN NESS .................. 3 Jeremiah Whitney VAN NESS .................. 3 Ezra Nelson VAN NESS .................. 3 John VAN NESS b: Abt 1798 ...................... +Barbara ??? b: Abt 1796 Montgomery County, New York .................. 3 Elizabeth VAN NESS b: 03 November 1784 Milton, New York d: 09 May 1874 in Ellicot, New York ...................... +Xavier ABBOTT b: 30 June 1783 Danbury, Conneticut m: December 1804 in Milton, New York d: 10 July 1865 in Busti, New York .................. 3 Mary VAN NESS ...................... +Jeremiah CLARK .................. 3 Susannah VAN NESS ...................... +Benedict A CLARK .................. 3 Permelia VAN NESS ...................... +Lodowick P SHEW b: of Saratoga Co., New York .................. 3 Catharine VAN NESS ...................... +Henry ALLEN b: of Montgomery Co., New York m: Aft 1828 .................. 3 Phebe VAN NESS ...................... +Abraham FREELAND b: of Onondaga Co., New York .................. 3 Hannah VAN NESS ...................... +John Jr SHIELDS b: of Saratoga Co., New York ==================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 21:50:55 -0400 From: Marion Leska <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Thomas Whitney b. 19 Mar 1771 Hi all, I found the following in a book called "Colonial Architecture in Massachusetts.(1977)" Never can tell where you might find our Whitneys!!! "Shirley Center, the oldest section of the present township of that name, remains still largely undisturbed, partly because of its isolated position, having been left at one side when the newer automobile highway was routed through that area. It is undoubtedly for that reason that it is still possible to get much the effect of that little center of colonial life when visiting the dwelling of Thomas Whitney, son of the Rev. Phineas Whitney, the first minister of Shirley, after its being set apart as a separate township. This occurred in 1753, on Jan. 5th; the first meetinghouse having been built in 1754.. It was replaced by a second and larger structure in 1773. The cupola was probably a part of this original building. Unfortunately, porches were added in 1804, along with other changes, and the structure was again remodeled in 1839; so that it is no longer possible to get an interesting photograph of the entire building. Mr. Thomas Whitney, whose house remains the most important of the small group around the village, was born March 19th, 1771, and died on January 14th, 1844. We have the date of his marriage to Henrietta Parker, which was July 7th, 1799; and it is probable that his hospitable farmhouse was rebuilt a little while after that date. Standing a little back from the main street, behind its guardian elms, it is an able representative of the four-square New England type that came into being shortly before the Revolution and persisted until the more daitily graceful structures of the 1815 to 1830 period succeeded it, just before the turn to the heavy dignity of the Neo-Greek influence was to flow over the country; replacing these gracious homes with Greek temples, somewhat arbitrarily and awkwardly made to serve the purposes of a family dwelling. The front of the house facing the Common still shows the old type shutters, laking the middle cross style. The detail of the front porch indicates a period preceding the the date of Thomas Whitney's marriage, to which some of the enlargement and additions might easily belong. The generous spacing of the front entrance porch columns, their slight, almost crude, entasis, the heavy molding of necking and base, all point to workmanship of a time much nearer the Revolution, or even somewhat preceding." I'm going to try to scan the photo of the house, although it IS a little big for my hand held scanner. If anyone is interested in a pcx file let me know and I'll send it. (If you would rather some other form--jpg, bmp, etc. let me know that, too.) Marion Whitney Leska ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 22:09:35 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Joshua Whitney Can you recommend a few good sources for research on the Whitneys of Virginia. I believe I am a descendant of slaves once owned by the Whitneys of Virginia. I am trying to find out exactly who their Whitney owners were. ==================================================== To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Jeremiah Whitney and Joshua Whitney Date: Sat, 19 Jul 97 03:59:34 GMT From: [email protected] (Jo Ann Curbo) I'm afraid that I can't take credit for the Southern Whitney's information. Michael Whitney graciously sent it to me after I ask a question about Mary Whitney Elkins who was in Columbia Co., GA 1791 and wanting part of her Uncle Jermemiah Whitney's estate. Thanks Michael! -- Jo Ann Curbo P.O. Box 584 Lorenzo, TX 79343 [email protected] -----------------------------Reply Separator--------------------------------- On 7/18/97 8:28PM, in message <"IMAtrC.A.4pE.yhB0z"@bl-14.rootsweb.com>, [email protected] wrote: Bravo to Jo Ann Curbo: Outstanding work - great sources and valuable addition(s). After a long period of uncertainty, you have suddenly pinpointed some outstanding sources. While I am rejoicing for the Southern Whitneys, has anyone heard anything from or about Michael Ray Whitney in the past two months? Bravo, again! Allan ==================================================== Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 11:06:57 +0000 From: Larry Knigga <[email protected]> Subject: Moses Whitney-Phebe Schoonover To: [email protected] Looking for information about Phebe Schoonover, wife of Moses Whitney (both are listed on the Whitney Web site). She was born ca. 1785, possibly in Chemung County, NY, married Moses Whitney ca. 1801 in Elmira, NY., and moved to Franklin County, Indiana ca. 1814.I would appreciate any information about this family. Larry Knigga [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------------ Larry Knigga 220 Portage St., Oak Harbor, OH 43449-1438 telephone: (419) 898-1193 [email protected] (preferred) [email protected] [email protected] "All that glitters is not gold, nor are all who wander lost." Tolkein ==================================================== To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: Moses Whitney-Phebe Schoonover From: [email protected] (Daniel H. Burrows) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 13:19:38 EDT Phebe, d/o Benjamin Schoonover of Big Flats, Chemung Co m ca 1800-03 Moses Whitney (Daniel. Daniel,Henry, John, Henry) Moses b in Warwick, Orange Co. NY s/o Daniel and Martha (Burt) Whitney Ref Page 180, Whitney Family of CT by Stephen Whitney Phoenix (1878) On Sun, 20 Jul 1997 11:06:57 +0000 Larry Knigga <[email protected]> writes: >Looking for information about Phebe Schoonover, wife of Moses Whitney >(both are listed on the Whitney Web site). She was born ca. 1785, >possibly in Chemung County, NY, married Moses Whitney ca. 1801 in >Elmira, NY., and moved to Franklin County, Indiana ca. 1814.I would >appreciate any information about this family. > >Larry Knigga >[email protected] > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Larry Knigga >220 Portage St., Oak Harbor, OH 43449-1438 >telephone: (419) 898-1193 > >[email protected] (preferred) >[email protected] >[email protected] > >"All that glitters is not gold, nor are all who wander lost." Tolkein > > ==================================================== To: [email protected] From: Amanda Carbery <[email protected]> Subject: RE: WITNEY Edmund 1809 Chinnor, OXF/AUStralia Cc: [email protected] Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:35:18 +1100 >I have your list of Witneys, but you don't say how they relate to you. >You say that Edmund & John "arrived "United Kingdom" on 29 Apr 1844". >Was that the name of the ship ? Hello again John Yes, "United Kingdom" was the name of the ship on which John and Edmund sailed from England to Australia, leaving on Christmas Day in 1843. The passengers of the "United Kingdom" were all Bounty Immigrants and the ship sailed from Liverpool. Here is how I am related to Edmund WITNEY : William WITNEY m Elizabeth RATLEY. Their sixth child Mary-Anne WITNEY is my great-great grandmother(1840-1919) who married Henry EZZEY (BC 1826). - the fifth child of Mary-Anne and Henry EZZEY was Naomi Grace EZZEY, my great-grandmother who married William Frederick TAYLOR. - the fourth of child Naomi & Henry was my grand-father Felix St.George TAYLOR who married Iris Jessie ASHER in 1925 - my father, Bryan Henry TAYLOR is the second son of Felix & Iris TAYLOR and married my mother Yvonne Phyllis ASHDOWN on 06 Aug 1955 - I am their third daughter born Amanda Helen TAYLOR on 14 July 1959. Thanks again for all your help. Regards Mandy ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 20:28:06 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Whitneys in VT, OH, and IN A while ago I responded with the following to Jakitson and and sent a copy to ALLAGREEN. He suggested I forward it to the entire WHITNEY group. Hopefully, it'll be helpful to someone, and maybe I'll get some fresh info back. I may have some info on your Eveline Whitney. My 4th gr grandfather, Phinehas Whitney (John, John, Nathaniel, William, Samuel) married Elizabeth Rand in Westminster, MA. They moved to Rutland Co., VT, after the 1800 MA Census and before the 1810 VT Census. In his 1825 Military Pension Application # 19682 (denied), Phinehas states that he has a 22 yr old daughter Evelina, who is in poor health, works out a little, and stays with parents when unable to work. Evelina's birth date would be a little off your 1805 date, but accurate dates were not always given. He also states that he lives in his son's-in-law house but doesn't give his name--Blaisdell might be a possibility. Phinehas was granted a military Pension in 1832 # S 22581. I have found him in the Westminster, MA censuses for 1790 and 1800; 1810 Pittsford Twp., Rutland Co., VT Census; and the 1830 Brandon, Rutland Co., VT Census. I don't know where is was in 1820. A Phineas Whitney is listed as being warned out of Salisbury, Addison Co., VT, 1 Nov 1814. He might be the same person. That's all I know about Phinehas Whitney in VT. Phinehas and Elizabeth Rand had 6 children whose names I know: Lydia (b. 30 Mar 1788); Bettsa (b. 27 Dec 1789); Nancy (b. 21 Sep 1791); John (b. 25 Jul 1793, d. 6 Jan 1849); Thomas (b. 18 Mar 1795, d. 4 Jul 1881). All of these were born in Westminster, MA. The sixth is Evelina. I know nothing more about the girls. The 2 brothers moved to Washington Co., OH, and are listed in the 1827 Waterford Twp., Washington Co., OH Census. John remained in OH, but Thomas moved west to Perry Twp., Delaware Co., IN, in 1831 and remained there until his death. Thomas is one of my direct ancestors and I have followed that line to the present (me). I hope this has helped you and that your Eveline and my Evelina are the same person. Take Care, Sandy [email protected] ==================================================== Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 22:42:21 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected], [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Thomas Whitney b. 19 Mar 1771 At 09:50 PM 7/18/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all, >I found the following in a book called "Colonial Architecture in >Massachusetts.(1977)" Never can tell where you might find our >Whitneys!!! > >"Shirley Center, the oldest section of the present township of that >name, remains still largely undisturbed, partly because of its isolated >position, having been left at one side when the newer automobile highway >was routed through that area. It is undoubtedly for that reason that it >is still possible to get much the effect of that little center of >colonial life when visiting the dwelling of Thomas Whitney, son of the >Rev. Phineas Whitney, the first minister of Shirley, after its being set >apart as a separate township. This occurred in 1753, on Jan. 5th; the >first meetinghouse having been built in 1754.. It was replaced by a >second and larger structure in 1773. The cupola was probably a part of >this original building. Unfortunately, porches were added in 1804, along >with other changes, and the structure was again remodeled in 1839; so >that it is no longer possible to get an interesting photograph of the >entire building. > Mr. Thomas Whitney, whose house remains the most important of the >small group around the village, was born March 19th, 1771, and died on >January 14th, 1844. We have the date of his marriage to Henrietta >Parker, which was July 7th, 1799; and it is probable that his hospitable >farmhouse was rebuilt a little while after that date. Standing a little >back from the main street, behind its guardian elms, it is an able >representative of the four-square New England type that came into being >shortly before the Revolution and persisted until the more daitily >graceful structures of the 1815 to 1830 period succeeded it, just before >the turn to the heavy dignity of the Neo-Greek influence was to flow >over the country; replacing these gracious homes with Greek temples, >somewhat arbitrarily and awkwardly made to serve the purposes of a >family dwelling. >The front of the house facing the Common still shows the old type >shutters, laking the middle cross style. The detail of the front porch >indicates a period preceding the the date of Thomas Whitney's marriage, >to which some of the enlargement and additions might easily belong. The >generous spacing of the front entrance porch columns, their slight, >almost crude, entasis, the heavy molding of necking and base, all point >to workmanship of a time much nearer the Revolution, or even somewhat >preceding." > >I'm going to try to scan the photo of the house, although it IS a little >big for my hand held scanner. If anyone is interested in a pcx file let >me know and I'll send it. (If you would rather some other form--jpg, >bmp, etc. let me know that, too.) >Marion Whitney Leska This was Thomas-7 WHITNEY, son of Rev. Phinehas-6 and Lydia (BOWES) WHITNEY [William-5, William-4, Nathaniel-3, John-2, John-1]. See the Shirley VRs. Henrietta PARKER was daughter of James and Sarah (DICKERSON) PARKER, b. 5 Jul 1775, d. 4 Apr 1864, Shirley, MA. If you can send the picture to me in .jpg or .gif format, I'll post it on the WHITNEY website. Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward [email protected] http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659 ==================================================== Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 22:52:06 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" <[email protected]> Subject: Additions to WHITNEY Webpage Friends, I have added some information to the Whitney Family Genealogy webpage. 1. Look at <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/eli.html> for information on Eli WHITNEY, the inventor of the cotton gin, and also the inventor of the assembly line. 2. Look at <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/famous.html> for various other famous persons of the surname WHITNEY. If anyone can add any information to either page, please feel free to send it to me or to post it to the list. For example, after whom is Mount Whitney in Alaska named? Any other suggestions for other data to add to that site would be gratefully accepted. Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward [email protected] http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659 Robert L. Ward [email protected] http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659 ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:50:23 GMT To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Subject: re. another addition to WHITNEY Webpage ? Robert, You cuold certainly add Asa Whitney, a famous (at the time) railroad pioneer. I recently perused a book about him which I borrowed from the Rhodes House Library here in Oxford (which young Bill attended!). I copied a few pages from it, so I'll let you have a "resume" I first came across him in a book about famous Whitneys which I found back in 1989 in the Boston Public Library. I'll look that one up too. John ==================================================== From: circeium <[email protected]> To: "'[[Whitney Research Group]]'" <[email protected]> Subject: USS Constitution Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 18:02:41 -0000 Dear WRG, Today I had an experience of a lifetime. Being able to see first hand the sail of the USS Constitution. What an experience. We have a 34ft boat that is moored in Salem Ma., which is the next town over from Mablehead. Sunday, we followed her on her trip from Boston to Marblehead. Once she was anchored in Marblehead Harbor we were able to get within 50yds of her. She's a beauty!!! Today we were able to see her set her sails[well-six of them], hear her fire her cannons, and were able to see the Blue angles[which flew right over our boat!!]. It was a most thrilling two days. What has this to do with Whitney geneaology, you may ask? Well, it does. My great grandfather Albert Raymond Whitney, worked on one of the restoration projects back in the early 1900's. He acquired a piece of the original wood which he used to carve a replica of her, using a jacknife. It took him over a year and a half to make and contained over 1,000 small pieces, which he whittled to shape and fastened to their respective places. What excitement we all felt today when we saw her sail. How very fortunate we were to be out there and so close to her. I took tons of pictures-can't wait to get them all developed. Have a great day! Peg Sanborn [email protected] ==================================================== Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 18:04:04 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Whitney Family History Group Cc: [email protected] At 10:19 PM 7/20/97 -0600, you wrote: >I can't tell whether the last message went through successfully. I am >searching for the e-mail address of John Aston of the above mentioned >family history group in Passaic New Jersey. <[email protected]> = Jon Aston Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward [email protected] http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659 ==================================================== Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 03:22:33 -0500 To: [email protected] From: Jerry McClure <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY MOUNTAIN Rising 700 feet above Beaver Lake in northwestern Arkansas and offering one of the best views of the lake is Whitney Mountain. From the boat docks and state parks at the water's edge, the mountain rises to its peak which is now crowned by Lost Bridge Village and the Lodge on Whitney Mountain. The Whitney name came from a family who came from Randolph Co., NC, by way of Kansas to homestead on the mountain in 1876. Elijah and Ruth Ann Whitney brought their family of children and began to turn the rocky surface into a bountiful orchard. When Elijah died, his son Jesse who had married Addie Wilson continued to nurture the orchards so that train carloads of apples were shipped each summer. At the time of Jesse's death in 1929, he owned 400 acres on the mountain. On July 6, the last of Jesse's children passed away at age 86. She was my mother-in-law. She made her last visit to the old home place on the mountain in June and viewed the lake from the balcony of the Chapel on Whitney Mountain. A second stroke placed her in the hospital until we were able to bring her to our home. At two o'clock on a Sunday morning, one more Whitney moved to a better home. ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:03:27 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Home Again, Riggity - Jig Greetings to the WRG: Travels over, home again and SO happy to be looking at a full size screen in color instead of that tiny IBM monochrome laptop. Had a great time at the Salt Lake City main Family History Center and found quite a bit of stuff, most of it not Whitney. My wife did very well, too, with a couple of her lines. Froze one night in Laramie, WY - low 40's and windy - and baked in Urbana, IL - temp in the mid 90's and muggy. Ah, well, life is full of extremes, even though us older folk would just as soon avoid them - at least I would. While on the subject of "folks" - whatever happened to that term being used as a name for a group of people not personally known to the speaker?? We were "you guys"(ed) to death by waiters and waitresses in 16 states. If I sound like an old curmudgeon, I guess I am, but that sticks in my craw almost (but not quite) as much as men or boys sitting in a restaurant with their hats or caps on. Whatever happened to manners? I have been going through some old mail since we got back, and wondered if any result ever came from the following posting? >From: [email protected] (Pamela Wojahn) >Sender: [email protected] >To: [email protected] (WHITNEY family genealogy list) >Jonathan Nichols and Mary Whitney had a daughter named Eleanor Nichols >who married a Squire Cogswell on Dec. 25, 1843 in Collins, Erie, New >York. He was born Dec. 14, 1820 in Monroe, New York and Eleanor was born >Oct. 24, 1822 in Collins, Erie, New York. I realize that this has only one Whitney reference, but does anyone now recognize a Mary Whitney, probably born ca 1800, who married a Jonathan Nichols? If so, did anyone answer this query? As soon as I can, I'll start publishing some of the material I gathered both at Salt Lake City and at the Sutro Library. However, I have one or two other tasks to accomplish here after a five week absence, so will just say it will come soon. Happy Hunting:-) Allan ==================================================== Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:22:28 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janis Whitaker) Subject: gripes Dear Alan, From another curmudgeon- I agree with your complaints and have another that all genealogists can relate to: whatever happened to "Quiet in the Library"? Toddlers racing and hollering through the reading room isn't the only disturbance. In most of the libraries I've visited, the employees talked loudly and set the tone for everyone else. In the few quiet libraries, I make an effort to complement them. Welcome back Alan. And isn't it grand to get home again? The older we get the more we love peace, solitude and our own pillow(along with the computer!) I've just fallen into a "gold mine". I found a Whitney researcher on the MN website and she was in my line. She sent me a 15 page copy of the "Recollections of Nancy Jane Morrow Whitney", daughter of Albion Paris(William, Samuel, Abner, John, Isaiah, Thomas, John). She wove a wonderful story of the family, with details of travels,physical descriptions of folks and lots more. I am related to Albion, who was brother to my ggGrandmother Nancy Whitney Eastman and to his wife Susan, who was the neice of Nancy's husband, B.D. Eastman.. I am updating all my data and am almost ready to forward all I have to Jon Aston and Robert Ward. I am excited to finally find someone in my Whitney line and she lives right there in Tiburon, MAL! Cheers, Jan PS All you Maine researchers--check the new VR's for Augusta, Gardiner and Hallowell and more coming soon. Anyone wishing for a particular towns, let me know and I'll try to get those first. ==================================================== Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:53:05 -0700 From: The Lindsays <[email protected]> To: Jerry McClure <[email protected]> CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: WHITNEY MOUNTAIN What a heartwarming story! Just look at the history involved here for the Whitneys. Another one to add to Robert Ward's homepage. My sentiments go out to you on the loss of your mother-in-law. I know what you are going thru. I lost my Mom July 14th. She had a few strokes also. She was not a Whitney, her maiden name was Peace. That word will always take on a special meaning to me. And yes, they are at "peace". And like you say , in a better place. You wrote a beautiful memorial to your mother-in-law, it will go in my book of Whitney keepsakes. All my prayers, Mary Ann Lindsay ==================================================== Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:25:01 -0400 From: Marion Leska <[email protected]> To: Janis Whitaker <[email protected]> CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: VR's for Maine Towns Pleeese, any for those towns in what is now Knox County and Waldo County, especially Thomaston,Barrettstown,Ducktrap,Rockland, Rockport,Camden, and you will have my eternal gratitude. Thank you, Marion Whitney Leska ==================================================== Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 22:42:29 -0400 From: Marion Leska <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Maine Whitneys HI, I found this info in a book in the library today. I'm going to send it a bit at a time. Hope it helps someone. Here 'tis. This information is taken from “Hinckleys of Maine-The Ancestry and Descendants of Samuel (4) Hinckley of Brunswick,Maine,” by Marlene Alma Hinkley Groves. (There are other Whitneys’ in the book, but this was all I got this time. Will get a few morw next time I get to the library. 71. Abraham (7) Whitney (Mary Hinckley(6) etc. of the Hinckley descendancy) b. Aug 19, 1753, Brunswick, Me., d. Sept 30, 1831, age 79 yrs., Waterford, Me., m. (Intentions Topsham, Me, Apr.7, 1780, both of Little River) May 6, 1780, Brunswick or Lisbon, Me. Apphia Coombs, b. 1760, d. Oct 26, 1833; both buried Hillside Cemetery, Lisbon Falls, Me.. He a farmer; res. Lisbon, Me. In Rev. War, he received a pension. CHILDREN: (surname WHITNEY), recorded in Lisbon, Maine. i. Peter, b. June 5, 1781 m. (Int. Oct 20, 1802) Nov 19, 1802, Topsham, Me., Lydia Hinckley. ii. Benjamin, b. Nov 30, 1782 iii. Mercy, b. July 15, 1784 iv. Thankful, b. June 18, 1786 v. Mehitable, b. Mar 7, 1788, m. Jesse Allen vi. Isaac, b. Feb 17, 1790, drowned age 20. vii. Sarah, b. Feb 22, 1792 viii. Thomas, b. Jan 23, 1794, m. Susan Cowing ix. Apphia, b. Dec 21, 1795, d. age 18 x. Abraham, b. July 4, 1798, m. Ann Conant xi. John, b. Feb. 26, 1800 xii. Joseph Stockbridge, b. Dec. 27, 1802, m. Betsy Philbrook Isaac (7) Whitney (Mary Hinckley (6) etc. in the Hinckley Descendancy) b. May 22, 1757, Sebascodigan (Harpswell), Me. d. 1850, Lisbon Falls, Me. m. (Int. he of Little River, she of Potterstown) May 22, 1783, Topsham, Me, Sarah TRUANT or TRUENT, age 59 in 1820; settled at Little River, Lisbon, Me. at foot of Rowe’s Hill. In Rev. War. CHILDREN: (surname WHITNEY) i. Sarah, b. Oct. 2, 1783 ii. Rebecca, b. Feb 10, 1785. iii. Charloe, b. Oct 22, 1786 iv. Jonathan, b. June 10, 1788. v. Mary, b. Mar. 25, 1790 vi. Abraham, b. Apr.,2, 1792, d. July 10, 1826 vii. Elizabeth Wilson, b. Feb. 14, 1794 viii. James Trufant, b. Jan 20, 1796 ix. Ann Gowel, b. Nov 20, 1797, m. Adam Trufant, who d. Oct 4, 1855 x. Joseph, b. June 28, 1800 xi. Mercy Sutherland, b. Aug.,28, 1802 xiii. Stephen, b. Sept. 14, 1805, d. Nov., 14, 1806 xiv. Nathan, b. Apr 17, 1807, d. Dec, 1813 xv. Abigail Potter, b. Dec 28, 1811 (More on this branch of the family in a later e-mail) ==================================================== Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 16:29:55 -0400 From: Marion Leska <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Maine Whitneys Hi all, The other day I posted an excerpt from a book called "Hinckleys of Maine--The Ancestry (both in Massachusetts and in England) and Descendants of Samuel (4) Hinckley of Brunswick, Maine by Marlene Alma Hinkley Groves printed by Penobscot Press which I believe is a division of Picton Press of Camden, Maine. I since received a gentle indirect reminder that I should have asked permission of the author before I posted the information. I have since done that, and if I receive it I will continue to type the info. In the meantime, Picton Press has a dynamite web-page catalog that will leave any Maine researcher drooling! Here is the address: http://www.midcoast.com/~picton/catalog/catalog.htm Marion Whitney Leska ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 01:03:28 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] cc: [email protected] Subject: Descendants of CT/Henry dates Dear WRG: The listing below is taken from a microfilm at the LDS main FHC in SLC. It is a list prepared quite some time ago by a man named Jessee Workman, a member of the LDS church, and submitted at the Manti Temple for proxy baptism. I deduce that it is old because of the typeface in which it is written - similar in type to the old iron-framed Smith-Corona or Remington typewriters from the thirties, one of which I was still using when I first went to college in the fifties. There is also connected to this list the name Alonzo W. Whitney, whose name appears in the (I am ashamed that I didn't write it down) - I think it was associated with the IGI entry for Henry, the information in which must have been found in the Phoenix book, because it mentioned Berkhampstead St. Mary in Hertfordshire as his birthplace ca 1620. I queried one of the expert assistants at the information desk at the SLC library, and she agreed that, while generational descent is not clearly shown, all of the names following Henry's would most likely be his direct descent. Here, then, is what was on that list in the microfilmed archive. All of the entries had the abberviation "rel." after each of them. Whitney, Henry (the usual stuff mentioned above) John, b. ?, of Norwalk, CT, d. 1720 John, b. March 12, 1677, of Norwalk, d. Feb. 3, 1712 Joseph, b. March 1, 1679, of Norwalk, d. unk. Henry, b. Feb. 21, 1681, of Norwalk, d. unk. Richard, b. April 18, 1687, of Norwalk, Samuel, b. 1688, of Norwalk, d. Dec. 6, 1753 Josiah, md. Oct 30 1729, of Norwalk, d. unk. Nathan, md. 1715, of Norwalk, d. unk. John, b. March 4, 1711, of Norwalk, d. unk. Hezekiah, b. April 10, 1705, of Norwalk, April 30, 1790 Joseph, b. Dec. 6, 1710, of Norwalk, d. unk. David, b. June 24, 1721, of Norwalk, d. April 16, 1816 Abraham, b. Feb. 23, 1724, of Norwalk, d. 1805 Henry, b. July 29, 1715, of Ridgefield, CT, d. July 10, 1794 John, b. Jan. 28, 1717, of Ridgefield, d. unk. Daniel, b. April 4, 1720, of Ridgefield, dead (only such entry, born dead?) Richard, b. March 29, 1722, of Ridgefield, d. unk. James, b. Dec. 6, 1725, Elijah, b. April 16, 1710, of Norwalk, CT, d. unk. Samuel, b. Oct. 5, 1711, of Norwalk, d. Feb. 20, 1796 Richard, b. Sept. 1, 1715, Stratfield, CT, d. unk. John, b. Jan. 17, 1720, Stratfield, d. March 29, 1750 Daniel, b. April 24, 1723, Stratfield, d. unk. Samuel, b. Dec. 13, 1727, Stratford, CT, d. unk. Hope this helps someone fill in a date or two, or fill out a family. Allan E. Green <[email protected]> Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film. ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 22:47:00 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Machias, ME, 1881 Newspaper Dear WRG: On Northeast-roots there is a contributor who is posting excerpts from the various issues of the Machias Union in the above year. In it, I discovered that there was a place called Whitneyville (as I had long known there was in Cascade Township, Kent County, MI, near where I grew up). It is about 4 miles west of Machias, which can be found in Washington Co., in the SE corner of ME. A couple of other notes about Whitneys have showed up. >From April 5, 1881 - "At a court held Nov. 17, 1773, Joel Whitney, Plff [Plaintiff], Peter McGee, Def't [Defendant]; judgment was rendered for the Plff. for debt and cost, in all 2L (pounds), 14s (shillings), 1d (penny). {Joel was the father of late Capt. Ephraim Whitney of Jonesboro; Ed.} >From April 5, 1881 - Capt. Joeal Whitney appears among a list of customers in Nathan Longfellow's store {The spelling as above as it appears on the record of 100 years ago. Ed.} [This journal cum ledger of Nathan Longfellow is the source of the material printed in the paper in 1881] It would appear that there might be a story in why this town/village was called Whitneyville, and there were clearly some Whitneys there as early as before the Revolutionary War. Allan E. Green "When the chips are down, the buffalo is empty." ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 22:47:01 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Descendants of CT/Henry Hi John: Thanks for the offer of looking up Alonzo W. Whitney at the FHC. I don't have the film number - I thought I did but all I have is a Batch number (6020784), a Sheet number (11), and a Source Call # (1621572). However, you could get the film number the same way I did, look up Henry in the IGI and go through the screens on sourcing and you will find the film number. In the line for Henry in one of the IGI entries for his name (there are several) it shows "Re: Alonzo W. Whitney", which I take to mean the entry came because of his (unspecified) relationship to Henry. However, the data in the IGI entry and the film have no other identification for this Alonzo. What I probably should have done, but didn't because this is not my line, is follow up by searching the IGI or Ancestral File for this Alonzo W. Whitney. You might want to try that and let us all know what, if anything, can be learned from that It would seem to me that the best use of the list of names and dates is to assist someone in finding the vital records they are searching for by locating a particular one of Henry's descendants at a specific time and place, which can then be the focus of a search. Allan E. Green. "I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory" ==================================================== Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:02:23 -0500 To: [email protected] From: Jerry McClure <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY IN NC Miscellaneous information for North Carolina Whitney researchers: CENSUSES 1790 Ebenezer Wayne Co. Josiah Sampson Co. Samuel Martin Co. Sarah Hyde Co. 1800 Abner Pasquotank Ebenezer Randolph Josiah Sampson 1810 Abraham Pasquotank John Pasquotank Ransom Surry 1820 Ebenezer Lincoln Ransom Lincoln 1830 Ransom Burke Samuel Craven 1840 Eli Randolph Elijah Randolph Josh P. Pasquotank Samuel Craven 1850 Eli Randolph Elijah Randolph Noah Caldwell Scion G. Franklin William New Hanover RANDOLPH CO. NC MARRIAGES Dempcy Whitney Sarah Hoogen Aug. 5, 1811 Eli Whitney Amy Cox Dec. 19, 1839 Elijah Whitney Elizabeth Moon Sep. 2, 1840 Elijah Whitney Ruth Ann Cox Oct. 19, 1849 FROM QUAKER RECORDS CENTER MM - GUILFORD CO. Apr. 30, 1777 Ebenezer Whitney, son of Elnathan, New England, m. Jemima Hall (Jemima was a widow, the daughter of Henry Powell) May 7, 1873 Eli Whitney died near 86 yrs. having been blind more than 60 yrs. Buried at Friends Burial Grounds at New Salem CONTENTNEA MM - WAYNE CO. Ebenezer Whitney & Jemima Whitney ch. Elizabeth b. Feb. 20, 1780 Ransom b. July 12, 1782 Demsey b. May 5, 1784 Eli b. Sep. 11, 1788 Dec. 18, 1798 Jemimah got cetificate to Center MM, NC RANDOLPH CO. REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS Ebenezer Whitney 1787, 1802, 1803, 1805, 1807 Ramsower Whitney 1807 Eli Whitney 1825, 1830, 1835 Eli & Amy Whitey 1855 Ruth Ann Whitney 1846, 1856, 1869 Elijah & Ruth Ann Whitney 1856, 1869 Elijah Whitney 1867, 1875 Elijah & Mary A. E. Whitney 1870 FAMILY RECOLLECTIONS OF ELIJAH WHITNEY, RANDOLPH CO. NC "Grandpa Whitney was a cousin of Eli Whitney. Great grandparents were from Scotland. Also Grandpa Whitney's mother was Scotch, Margaret is Sarah Ferguson." (Ed. note: Sarah Margaret Ferguson?) "They had a town house in Colombia. This house had secret panels and Grandma Whitney used to hide soldiers in the concealed rooms. The house burned while Grandpa and Grandma were in Kansas. (Ed. note: Moved to Kansas in 1869) The library and all records as well as furniture was destroyed. "Grandpa Whitney was a partner in cotton mills. When he came West, he left things in the hands of the partner, thinking he was honest. The partner ran up debts, took all the money and disappeared. Grandpa had to pay the bills which took all the money he could get for their property and the plantation Grandma inherited from her father. The North Carolina records were destroyed when the Whitney House was burned. From North Carolina they came to Kansas then to Arkansas. Grandpa was a Quaker, Grandma a Christian or Methodist." Jerry McClure <[email protected]> ==================================================== Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:15:16 -0500 To: [email protected] From: Jerry McClure <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY - NEW ENGLAND>NC To all New England Whitney researchers............. In my recent posting is the following: FROM QUAKER RECORDS - CENTER MM - GUILFORD CO. NC Apr. 30, 1777 Ebenezer Whitney, son of Elnathan, New England, m. Jemima Hall (Jemima was a widow, the daughter of Henry Powell) Does anyone know of Elnathan Whitney in the New England Whitney families or have any idea how this family is related to the New England Whitneys? Ebenezer's children were: ch. Elizabeth b. Feb. 20, 1780 Ransom b. July 12, 1782 Demsey b. May 5, 1784 Eli b. Sep. 11, 1788 We have always envied all the New England area Whitneys with all the information they appear to have on their families. This latest information may possibly be a link between the North Carolina and New England Whitneys. We would be grateful for any help...... Jerry & Helen McClure <[email protected]> ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:42:52 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Whitney, Daniel R. and Isaphena DOW and daughter Rosina I am on the Web.now -www.rootsweb.com/ gumby etc. Using the search engine. I have been on this discussion group for at least a year- almost from the beginning. . I cannot find my family on it at all. We have not proved a decendancy from John & Elenore. Do you not have the others on this list also? Barbara Crowder Black in Sacramento-Descendents of Daniel b. 1822 in Ohio to parents?? b. NY m. Isaphena (Josepheny on IGI) Dow in 1847 in Jackson, Michigan daughter Rosina Whitney b. Jackson, Michigan 1851 m John Newton Crowder in Marshalltown, Iowa in 1870 (These are my grandparents) ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 01:03:02 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: WHITNEY - NEW ENGLAND>NC Dear Jerry and Helen: There is an Ebenezer Whitney, born 9 Mar 1738/39, son of Elnathan and Sarah (Perry) Whitney, who married on 4 Oct 1762 an Abigail Brown. This is all that appears in Whitney11 - no towns or other places, and no children or death dates exist in that record. The dates look like this could be your man, especially if his wife Abigail died and he left the area for a new a different place. Do you have any hint as to your Ebenezer's age at his marriage to the Widow Jemimah Powell Hall - or her age at this marriage? I'll have to fire up my laptop, which has a PAF database based on my "advance" copy of Whitny12, to see if that source has anything further on this man. You might query Jon Aston (MRJ79) directly to ask him to look in Pierce to see if there is anything further in that source about this family - Elnathan to Ebenezer. Hope this helps. Allan ==================================================== Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:55:08 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janis Whitaker) Subject: Jerry McClure's NC list of Whitneys I can identify Abner of Pasquotank in 1800 as:Abner, Abner, John, Isaiah, Thomas, John. B. 22 Oct.1755, Shirley, MA. son of Abner and Sarah (Hilton). Served in Revolution, then married Polly(maiden name unknown), location unknown(not listed in Pasquotank marriages)and settled in Pasquotank Co., NC. He died sometime before his will executed Sept.1810.Children: Sallie Hilton Whitney(married Mr. Williams); Abner Didymus; Franklin; William Didymus; Joshua Paine. The latter would be the Josh P. on Jerry's list in Pasquotank Co. in 1840, and William in New Hanover Co. in 1850 may be this son William. Source is "Year Book, Pasquotank Historical Society, Vol.3, and Shirley, MA VR's. Jan ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:36:04 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ancestry of John Whitney of Isleworth Dear Rosemary (and WRG): (WRG - Rosemary Linn wrote to me asking for an update on what is being done to try and "repair" the breach in our English ancestry beyond the no-longer-tenable connection between Thomas Whitney of Westminster and his supposed father, Robert. While in the middle of my answer to her, it occurred to me that what I was writing to her should probably be sent to the rest of you as well.) Oh, by all means, keep your "grandeur" bright. There is a little being done, but not too much as far as I can tell. While at the American Library Association convention in San Francisco, held one month ago, I did discover that there was a web site in England that had a lot of old material from Cheshire available on-line for searching. I have simply been too busy in the week and a half since our return home to sit down and spend some time exploring it. As soon as I get a chance, I'll look at it and see if it looks like it might be useful. If it is, perhaps you could join in the effort of sifting. The "publicity" material I picked up from the person manning the booth at the exhibits simply indicates that there are some (without stating how much) materials between 1100 and 1500 that have been made available on-line. I don't even know if these are graphic facsimilies of the original documents that have been scanned and saved, actual transcriptions of the originals in dog Latin, or translations into modern English. (You weren't a Latin teacher, by any chance?) Also, one of our members, a physics professor at Oxford named (appropriately enough) John Whitney, has agreed to do a little digging in his "spare time" - which, I am sure, is not very extensive. This actually points up one of the problems we have with this family. There don't seem to be very many Whitneys in England any more, and those that are there are not direct descendants of our "main" line from Whitney, Clifford, Icomb etc. That (male) line died out before the end of the 1600's, as witnessed by the pathetic attempt by young John Whitney, nephew of our immigrant John and son of his younger brother, Robert Whitney of St. Peter's, Cornhill, to lay claim to the family estates and honors. (Never mind that if his claim HAD been valid it would have been negated/superseded by the superior claim of our John and his eldest male descent, since John was older brother to Robert.) Obviously, since I have not had opportunity to spend time tracing them, I do not now KNOW, but do suspect that most, if not all, of the remaining Whitneys stem from lines that descend from younger male Whitneys who left Herefordshire and "married out", quite a few of which seem to have gravitated to Cheshire. At what point in the long cherished association of the family with the Baskervilles, Milbournes, Touchets, etc., these men wandered off in search of other women who were sole or joint heiresses (the favorite method of family advancement), and thus how much of the "royal heritage" can be re-established, is a question that may have a long wait to be answered. I have gotten my materials somewhat sorted out, and hope to be able to send out some of the data I gleaned while on my trip, especially some of the things I found at the Sutro Library in SF. Until then, Happy Hunting! Allan "I'm always late. Some of my ancestors came over on the December Flower" ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:01:05 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Benjamin Whitney, b. 7 Oct 1687 Dear WRG: I have been trying to gather together some of the information I found at the Sutro Library in SF. One of the sources from which I copied some Whitney material was entitled "Jane Harris of Rocky River", by Jenness Reese Reyes, 1964, T.S., 273pp. In it, on pp 242-248 & p. 260, she deals with the connection of some Whitneys to this family. After a brief bit of Whitney material gleaned from Melville and Pierce, she begins with a Benjamin Whitney who is married first to a Sarah Barrett and secondly to an Abigail Bridge. She quotes Pierce about Benjamin's death in Boston in 1737 as "one of the first men in Boston... estate of 4168 pounds" [a lot of money in those days], states that he had come to Boston from Marlboro, and goes on with her descent from his fifth child, Solomon. In checking our database, I find a Benjamin Whitney, born 7 Oct 1687, as a husband of Sarah Barret and Abigail Bridge, whose mother is given as Elizabeth Lawrence and whose father is shown as unknown. Further search turns up an Elizabeth Lawrence married to a Thomas(3) Whitney, b. 24 Aug 1656, himself a son of Thomas(2) and Mary Kedall/Kettle of Stow [at that time]. The problem with our current database is that Elizabeth Lawrence appears with two marriages, one to Thomas(3) and one to an Unknown Whitney, and the children (which includes Benjamin) are listed only with the second of those marriages, rather than with Thomas as the father. I tend to suspect that this is another in the group of inconsistencies that have arisen because two different people submitted material to Jon Aston for inclusion, and one of them came "down" to Thomas(3) and Elizabeth Lawrence and stopped, and the other came "up" to Elizabeth Lawrence without having identified her Whitney husband and stopped as well. The process of merging brought together the two entries for Elizabeth, but left her with a known husband and no children and an unknown husband and the whole list of her Whitney children attached. This is NOT Jon's fault - he has repeatedly said that he will not arbitrate between two different submissions that do not agree, just serve as the collector and compiler - for which I, for one, am extremely grateful.. The Stow VR's show the birth of the first five of the children shown in Whitny11 for Elizabeth and Unknown as born to Thomas and Elizabeth (Whetney). Therefore I am inclined to correct the database to eliminate husband Unknown Whitney and make Thomas the only husband of Elizabeth. I will allow a little time for commentary on this before doing anything irrevocable, however That said, does anyone know where the last three children of Thomas(3) and Elizabeth (Nathan, b. 18 Nov 1689, Susanna, b. ca 1691, and Abigail, b. ca 1693) were born? I have searched all of the Vital Records in the series that I have and find no Nathan born of these parents, and no other Thomas' listings that represent children of a Thomas and Elizabeth. Does whoever submitted the material that comes back through Benjamin(4) through his mother, Elizabeth, recognize this? I'll take care of all of this and then post another letter tomorrow with the descent from Benjamin(4) and his two wives. The Marlborough VR's shows the marriage to Sarah Barret Feb. 7, 1710, nine children with Sarah (our database only has one), her death Feb. 15, 1730 and (without the marriage to Abigail located at this time) five more children with the second wife that do appear in the database. This, of course, suggests that whoever submitted this material was descended from the second wife, and got all that right, but did not know much about the first wife. If anyone can find the location and date of the second marriage, please post it. Finally, as to what is coming - the book cited way back at the top of this is concerned with the descent from Solomon Whitney, fifth of the nine children of Benjamin(4) and Sarah Barrett Whitney. I'll get things together and carry on from there later. Looking forward to ironing out these connections. Happy Hunting:-) Allan "Those who live by the sword get shot by those that don't" P.S. Did anyone else notice in their news tonight about the little earthquake excitement we had near here this morning? The quake centered just south of the Cumberland Gap and Middlesboro, where one of my wife's libraries is located. Nothing much to it - it wasn't very big and the damage was virtually nil, but it is unusual enough in this area to warrent some attention. AEG ==================================================== Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:11:07 -0600 From: Robert Elmore <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Albert Elmore I have a little bit of information on Albert Elmore, husband of Thirza A. Whitney. Robert S. Elmore [email protected] ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:01:30 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Frank Whitney s/o Asa Whitney of Jay, Maine To all my Whitney Cousins: I am looking for the family of by grandfather Young's Great Uncle Frank Whitney. We have some photos of the family and know that he moved to Iowa then to CA. see <http://members.aol.com/youngcolby/frankid.html> for additional information. Thanks, David C Young ==================================================== Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 19:53:39 +0000 From: lknigga <[email protected]> Subject: Moses and Phebe Whitney family (CT/Whitneys) To: [email protected] I just found a connection on the web to the Moses and Phebe Schoonover Whitney listed on the webpage (CT/Whitneys). This link begins with them and continues down through their daughter, Martha. It gets neat when all this stuff is on the web. I have more on other children if anyone wants it...Does anyone have anything on the Schoonover connection other than what is in the CT Whitneys book? The link following Martha Whitney Hiler is: http://www.altlaw.com/edball/html/d0098/i16579.htm Larry Knigga [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------------ Larry Knigga 220 Portage St., Oak Harbor, OH 43449-1438 telephone: (419) 898-1193 [email protected] (preferred) [email protected] [email protected] "All that glitters is not gold, nor are all who wander lost." Tolkein ==================================================== Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:58:21 -0400 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" <[email protected]> Subject: Additions to the WHITNEY Website Friends of the WRG, I have made several additions to the WHITNEY Family Genealogy website recently: A Queries page (currently empty): send me your queries to be posted there. Several Maine town vital records. Orange, MA, vital records (unpublished). A few Franklin Co., ME, cemetery records. Two more links to GEDCOM generated websites including John-1 WHITNEY. A few more lineages on the lineages page. I am working on a couple of more items, one being the WHITNEY who worked on the restoration of the U.S.S. Constitution. Check them out, starting at the home page <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/>. I hope they prove useful. Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward [email protected] http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659 ==================================================== From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:04:16 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Whitney Line from Benjamin down Dear WRG: As advertised, here is (some of) the material gleaned from the Harris book I mentioned in my posting last night, amplified by the material I gathered from the Marlborough and Stow VR's and by information extracted from Robert Ward's extensive five-generation descent from John and Elinor, which can be found on the Whitney portion of his Website. (URL is http://www.erols.com/rlward1/Whitney/). Source (A) is the Stow VR as found in the Middlesex County Records at East Cambridge; (B) is the Marlborough Vital Records, pub. Franklin P. Rice, edited or amplified occasionally from a Church Record as to spelling; and (C) is the material copied from the book, "Jane Harris of Rocky River", by Jenness Reese Reyes, 1964, TS, 273pp.; Sutro Library, San Francisco, CA, CS71 H315, 1964.. Benjamin(4) Whitney [Thomas(3), Thomas(2), John(1)], born 7 Oct 1767, Stow, Middlesex, MA (A); married (1) Sarah Barret(t) 7 Feb 1710/11, Marlborough, Middlesex, MA (B) died after Oct. 19, 1737 in Boston, MA [his will was made on that date] (C) This Benjamin Whitney is the head of Family #158 in the five-generation listing of the descendants of John and Elinor Whitney on Robert Ward's Whitney Webpage. I will simply list the children below, with the attached number from Ward's Webpage. Anyone who wants the full details of any of these may get them from that site - it is far more complete than the (C) source above, and I see no point in retyping his work. Children with Sarah Barrett: (all born in Marlborough, Middlesex, MA) (B) 1) Deborah, b. 7 Nov 1711 (Ward 619) 2) Barrett, b. 22 Sep 1715 (Ward 620) 3) David, b. 21 Jan 1716/17 (Ward 621) 4) Persis, b. 10 Jan 1718/19 (Ward 622) 5) Solomon, b. 20 Dec 1721 (Ward 623) 6) Sarah, b. 13 Jul 1723 (Ward 625) NOTE there is no #624 7) Timothy, b. 6 Jul 1725 (Ward 626) 8) Dinah, b. 12 Jul 1727 (Ward 627) 9) Job, b. 22 Oct 1729 (Ward 628) Children with Abigail Bridge: (all born in Marlborough, Middlesex, MA) (B) 1 or 10) Abigail, b. 13 May 1731 (Ward 629) 2 or 11) Benjamin, b. 8 May 1732 (Ward 630) 3 or 12) George, b. 25 Mar 1733 (Ward 631) 4 or 13) Samuel, b. 3 Sep 1734 (Ward 632) 5 or 14) Anna, b. 23 or 27 Oct 1736 (Ward 633) Odds & ends extracted: "He [Benjamin(4)] first bought land at Marlboro in 1710; 300 acres and a house and barn from Samuel Morse... In 1711 he... owned large tracts in Marlboro, a part inherited from John and Deborah Barrett." "Solomon his son was willed Petersham because of service in the Indian Wars." (C) As soon as I can organize the more complete information from Ward with the incomplete material from the Reyes book, I'll continue with this project. Ward essentially stops with the 14 children of Benjamin(4) and his two wives, but does provide a few snippets that pertain to the line of descent upon which the Reyes book focusses. I may have this done and sent out by later tonight, or certainly tomorrow. For those who have asked, no, the URL for the Cheshire site is not a big secret. I just haven't told you yet because A) I have to dig the stuff from the convention out of two big carryalls full of material in order to find it, and B) I thought I might check it out to see what was there and how it is organized before passing it on so as to make an (hopefully) intelligent comment or two on its possible use. Speaking of the latter, if any of you saw from the many sources where it appeared the "ad" for this wonderful URL that is supposedly the source for electronically accessible information about virtually everyone in the English-speaking world [found at www.nametrace.com], I looked at it last night and it looks like the electronic equivalent of Halberts of Bath Ohio, publishers of "The World Book of Whitneys", etc - in other words, I saw nothing you can't get from the first few pages of the Pierce or Melville books about coming with William the Conqueror, centering in Hereford, etc. Happy Hunting to all:-) Allan "Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it" ==================================================== Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 19:00:14 -0400 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Benjamin Whitney, b. 7 Oct 1687 At 10:01 PM 7/30/97 -0400, Allan Green wrote: >That said, does anyone know where the last three children of Thomas(3) and >Elizabeth (Nathan, b. 18 Nov 1689, Susanna, b. ca 1691, and Abigail, b. ca >1693) were born? I have searched all of the Vital Records in the series that >I have and find no Nathan born of these parents, and no other Thomas' >listings that represent children of a Thomas and Elizabeth. Does whoever >submitted the material that comes back through Benjamin(4) through his >mother, Elizabeth, recognize this? I have found no primary source of these birth dates. >I'll take care of all of this and then post another letter tomorrow with the >descent from Benjamin(4) and his two wives. The Marlborough VR's shows the >marriage to Sarah Barret Feb. 7, 1710, nine children with Sarah (our database >only has one), her death Feb. 15, 1730 and (without the marriage to Abigail >located at this time) five more children with the second wife that do appear >in the database. This, of course, suggests that whoever submitted this >material was descended from the second wife, and got all that right, but did >not know much about the first wife. If anyone can find the location and date >of the second marriage, please post it. I have found no record of this marriage, either. >Finally, as to what is coming - the book cited way back at the top of this is >concerned with the descent from Solomon Whitney, fifth of the nine children >of Benjamin(4) and Sarah Barrett Whitney. I'll get things together and carry >on from there later. I'm looking forward to this material, since I have only his marriage to Elizabeth SMITH and births of four children, recorded in Marlborough, Harvard, and Petersham, MA. I also have marriages for two of them, Sarah and Meriam. Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward [email protected] http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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