Mailing List Discussions, September 1997

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 02:54:56 -0400 From: "Debbie J. Stelmach" <[email protected]> Subject: 1840 VT Census To: "Whitney Group" <[email protected]>

Here's an extract of Whitney's from the 1840 Vermont Census Index. I have pages of Whitney's for most of NY (1800-1850, 1860 West) and for 1850 Ohio if anyone needs a lookup.

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1840 Vermont Census Extract Whitney Names

NAME                          PAGE          TOWN                 CYEAR

A * 99 ADDISON 1840

ABIAL 75 ATHENS 1840 TIMOTHY 75 ATHENS 1840

RICHARD 225 BALTIMORE 1840

L 270 BENNINGT 1840

DAVID 365 BETHEL 1840

JACKSON 98 BRAINTRE 1840

GIDDING 206 BRANDON 1840

LEMUEL 40 BRATTLEB 1840

DAVID 114 BRIDGEPORT 1840

JOSHUA W 470 BRIDGEWAT 1840

JOSEPH 211 BROOKFIE 1840 CHARLES 213 BROOKFIE 1840

DANIEL 159 BROOKLYN 1840 EBENEZER 159 BROOKLYN 1840 ESREAL 159 BROOKLYN 1840 HIRAM 159 BROOKLYN 1840

HENRY 24 BURLINGT 1840 STEPHEN 28 BURLINGT 1840

JOSEPH * 299 CALAIS 1840

WARD 302 CAVENDIS 1840 OLIVER 307 CAVENDIS 1840

ISAAC 202 CHELSEA 1840

BENJAMIN JR 200 CHESTER 1840 AUGUSTUS 207 CHESTER 1840

ABIAH* 65 CLARENDO 1840

JAMES 98 CRAFTSBU 1840 BEZALEEL 318 CRAFTSBU 1840 NEWELL 321 CRAFTSBU 1840

JOHN 22 DUMMERST 1840

SILAS 261 DUXBURY 1840

ELIET 2 ELMORE 1840 ISAAC 4 ELMORE 1840

GEORGE 137 ESSEX 1840

SHERWOOD 303 FAIRFIEL 1840

BURTRAM 281 FRANKLIN 1840 RICHARD 281 FRANKLIN 1840 NATHAN 282 FRANKLIN 1840

JOSHUA 60 GOSHEN 1840 OLIVER 60 GOSHEN 1840

BETSEY 53 GUILFORD 1840

EBENEZER* 134 HALIFAX 1840 JONATHAN 134 HALIFAX 1840 PHILLIP 134 HALIFAX 1840 BARTLET 138 HALIFAX 1840

BENJAMIN N 66 HANCOCK 1840

BENJAMIN H 425 HARTFORD 1840

ALFORD 434 HARTLAND 1840 HIRAM 440 HARTLAND 1840

BUSHA 197 HIGHGATE 1840

HENRY E 5 HOLCOTT 1840 JESSE 6 HOLCOTT 1840 JOSIAH 6 HOLCOTT 1840 WILLIAM 6 HOLCOTT 1840 DACE T 8 HOLCOTT 1840 GEORGE H 8 HOLCOTT 1840

ZACHARIAH 46 JOHNSON 1840 W 52 JOHNSON 1840 LESTER 53 JOHNSON 1840

ISAAC 81 LONDONBE 1840

CALVIN 293 LUDLOW 1840 JOHN 294 LUDLOW 1840

HENRY 117 MARLBORO 1840 NATHANIEL 117 MARLBORO 1840 TEREPTA 117 MARLBORO 1840 LEMEI 118 MARLBORO 1840 MARTIN 119 MARLBORO 1840 STEPHEN 119 MARLBORO 1840 BERNARD 120 MARLBORO 1840 ZENOS 120 MARLBORO 1840

MANUS 317 MIDDLESE 1840 LEMUEL 320 MIDDLESE 1840

KILE* 256 MORETOWN 1840

ISRAEL 373 N HERO 1840 LEALAND 373 N HERO 1840 GARY 374 N HERO 1840

JOHN 193 NEW BENN 1840 ZIMRI 194 NEW BENN 1840 WILLIAM 195 NEW BENN 1840

JAMES 220 NORTHFIE 1840

WILLIAM 325 NORWICH 1840

IRA 194 PLYMOUTH 1840 ASAPH 285 PLYMOUTH 1840 HIRAM 294 PLYMOUTH 1840

SOLOMON R JR 123 POULTNEY 1840 SOLOMON SR 123 POULTNEY 1840 SIDNEY 130 POULTNEY 1840

E 12 PUTNEY 1840

IRA 282 READSBOR 1840 L D 283 READSBOR 1840

BENJAMIN 174 RUTLAND 1840 NORMAN K 181 RUTLAND 1840

SALLY 74 SALISBUR 1840

JONATHAN 55 SHELBURN 1840

JOEL 333 SHELDON 1840

PHILLIP 145 SHREWSBU 1840

CYRUS 232 SPRINGFI 1840 CALEB 236 SPRINGFI 1840 ELIJAH 236 SPRINGFI 1840

HILEN 347 ST ALBAN 1840

ORLANDO 407 ST JOHNS 1840

A 247 STAMFORD 1840

SOLOMON F * 188 TOWNSEND 1840

ABL 85 TUNBRIDG 1840 ABL 85 TUNBRIDG 1840 HENARY 85 TUNBRIDG 1840 THOASM 85 TUNBRIDG 1840 A P 86 TUNBRIDG 1840 DAVID 86 TUNBRIDG 1840 ZEBELMA* 88 TUNBRIDG 1840 AARON 91 TUNBRIDG 1840 ABEL 91 TUNBRIDG 1840 BENUJAMIN 91 TUNBRIDG 1840 CHARLES M 91 TUNBRIDG 1840 CYRUS 91 TUNBRIDG 1840 DAVID 91 TUNBRIDG 1840 HOLLIS 91 TUNBRIDG 1840

J C 60 VERNON 1840

BAXTER 359 WATERBUR 1840 CHARLES 360 WATERBUR 1840

DAVID 246 WEATHERS 1840

RUFUS 159 WEST FAI 1840

MORGAN 65 WESTMINI 1840

ALPHEUS 149 WHITINGH 1840 ABEL 151 WHITINGH 1840 LYMAN 151 WHITINGH 1840 SOLOMON 151 WHITINGH 1840

LUCIUS* 267 WILLIAMS 1840 ABEL 269 WILLIAMS 1840 J M 269 WILLIAMS 1840 LEVI 367 WILLIAMS 1840

SAMUEL 111 WILLSTON 1840 OTIS 114 WILLSTON 1840

SOPHIA 266 WINDSOR 1840 ALMOND 274 WINDSOR 1840

SAMUEL 449 WOODSTOC 1840 ADOLPHUS 451 WOODSTOC 1840 LEVI 465 WOODSTOC 1840 NATHAN 465 WOODSTOC 1840

ABOL 365 WORCHESTE 1840

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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 02:55:00 -0400 From: "Debbie J. Stelmach" <[email protected]> Subject: Poultney VT Whitney To: "Whitney Group" <[email protected]>

While we are on the subject of VT Whitney's, I came across a reference which might be of interest to someone - This is taken from "Genealogical Information Reported in the Evening Observer, Dunkirk, NY". Compiler is Lois Barris of the Chautauqua Co Genealogical Society. I have three full pages of references to Whitneys who lived in and around Chautauqua County, NY.

Butler, Amy Eliza (Pierce) b. Jun 25, 1820, Poultney,VT par. Caleb/Polly(Whitney) Butler; husband Wilson A

celebrating 104th birthday (reported in Jun 26, 1924 edition)

Debbie Honolulu

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From: "Alice Harris" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 15:01:22 +0000 Subject: witney12 paf success

For those of you who have PAF try adding the witney12.ged to PAF 2.31. I, too, had a horrible time getting the exe expanded and working. Probably more than most as I just barely know the basics of windows and don't know enough to download from Randy Winch's ftp site. I did try thru my browser and it looked good for awhile but quit with an error message.

In case there are others who like me don't know much about windows. Here is what I did. From my email program (Pegasus mail) I saved the witney12 as a file to C:/temp/. Then I went to the run in file menu while in file manager. Then I tried importing it to PAF 3.0 with the same problem that others have had. It stopped after 7/8 of it was added and gave me an error message.

So at this point I decided to try the old faithful Paf 2.31. I tried adding it from it's place in C:\temp but Paf didn't recognize it. So I copied it to C:\paf and then added the witney12.ged from the gedcom menu like any other gedcom and it worked! Except the notes or sources are no good. It just says not recognizable or too long like so many imported gedcoms do.

Does Robert Ward have any plans to put this on his web page with the sources? Hope so.

Good Luck, Alice Harris [email protected]

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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:04:13 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janis Whitaker) Subject: Charles Thomas Whitney

Dear WRG's

    I came across the following anecdote, that may mean alot to someone

seeking the above Whitney. A web friend of mine has this in her Bissett family and has heartedly agreed to let me share it with you: BISSETT, ELIJAH (1813-1877) b. Waterborough, Queens or Carter Point, Kingston(parish), Kings (CO.) NB. Died 1877 Bell Line Father; BISSETT, WILLIAM (1771-1849), Mother: WELDON, ELIZABETH (1787-1868) Spouse: DODD, JANE LOUISE(1816-) Child: WHITNEY, PERCY(1846-)

When a very young man, Elijah wanted to go to sea,so he changed his name to CHARLES THOMAS WHITNEY (two of his brother's names) for fear his parents would stop his going. Afterwards he married an Englishwoman in England-JANE LOUISE DODD. A few years before 1877, he came to St. John(NB) with his wife and four children-2 boys and 2 girls- as captain of one of the largest sailing ships at that time and visited relatives and friend. Having his name changed by law, he could not change it back. Upon arriving here he met a Mr. John Fisher, shipbuilder, who directed him to his people. He, with his family, then went to New York to live. There he bought a ship and with cargo, sailed to St. Thomas. On the way, there was one officer short,so he promoted one of the seamen to second mate. For some reason, the captain and second mate disagreed and Captain Whitney was murdered and thrown overboard. The crew refused to give any evidence. In 1931, the family was still living in New York. A son, PERCY WHITNEY, lives(1931)in Richmond, VA. In 1927, Percy married his secon wife,his cousin,ELIZABETH RAY, daughter of Margaret(his father's sister). She died in 1929. He married the third time in Richmond, VA. All this told by Mary Ann Bissett to her daughter Alice Mary Barbour.

    I hope this helps someone solve a mystery, if not, it's a good tale!

Cheers. Jan

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 17:18:23 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Genealogy Techniques

To Robert and others: Thank you so much for helping me with the Samuel/Ann ancestry. You have resolved the issue in my mind. In addition, I learned quite a bit about genealogy techniques and how it is properly done. Also the pitfalls, limitations, and sidetracks. Thank you very much. The entire discussion was very valuable to me. Yours, A. Whitney Brown. I intend to post some CT Vital Records, and was wondering if I should include, as a separate part of the extracts, "Those Who Married Whitneys".

Truly, A. Whitney Brown.

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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 21:58:52 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Which John WHITNEY m. 1754, Weston, Beriah PEIRCE?

Dear WRG,

The intentions of marriage of John WHITNEY and Beria PEIRCE "of Waltham" were recorded on Sept. 28, 1754 in the _Town of Weston. Births, Deaths and Marriages, 1707-1850_ (1901), p. 89. The marriage of John WHITNEY and Beria PIERCE "of Waltham" was recorded on Nov. 28, 1754 in the same reference, p. 92. In the _Vital Records of Waltham, Massachusetts, to the Year 1850_ (1904), is recorded the marriage of John WHITNEY "of Weston" and Beria PEIRCE, Nov. 28, 1754, in Weston. The question arises, who were this couple?

The identity of the bride is not hard. Her death is recorded in Waltham as "Beriah, widow of John WHITTNEY of Weston, formerly widow of Daniel CHILD", in her 88th year, on Nov. 4, 1768, from her tombstone in Grove Hill Cemetery, Waltham. On 11 July 1755, she had made her will. An abstract of the will is as follows:

  Will of Beriah Whitney of Weston; "I having before marriage to my
  present husband Mr. John Whitney made an agreement with each other to have
  the Dispositions of our Estates separate ..."; estate to be divided
  among her children and the children of her deceased daughter Sarah FISK,
  to wit:  Daniel CHILD; David CHILD; John CHILD; Samuel CHILD; Elisha
  CHILD; Susanna CHILD; Elizth. STEARNS; Mary WHITNEY; Joshua CHILD;
  granddaughter Sarah MIXER; grandson Danll. FISK, under 21; granddaughter
  Beulah FISK, under 21; witnesses Ebenr. CUTLER, Jonas CUTLER, Abijah
  CHILD. (_Middlesex County Probate Records_, File #24612)

Her inventory was taken in Weston on Nov. 4, 1768 by Capt. Ebenezer CUTLER, Capt. Bradyll SMITH, and Mr. Jacob BIGLOW. Her will was proved 13 Dec 1768 in Weston. In Weston, on May 31, 1769, the heirs agreed to the executor's account, signed by David, John, Joshua, Samuel, and Susanna CHILD, Isaac STEARNS, Joseph WHITNEY, and David FISK. On 28 Nov 1769, her inventory was exhibited and the executor's account was presented (_ibid._).

This information is sufficient to identify Beriah PEIRCE as Beriah BEMIS, daughter of John and Mary (HARRINGTON) BEMIS, born June 23, 1681, Watertown, MA. She married firstly, Feb. 10, 1701/2, Watertown, MA, Daniel CHILD, who died 29 Jan 1723/4, Watertown. She married secondly, as his third wife, Aug. 12, 1736, Watertown, MA, Joseph PEIRCE, who died Mar. 13, 1753, Weston, MA.

Fine, but who was John WHITNEY? Three possible solutions have been proposed in various sources:

 A. John-5 WHITNEY, b. 22 Jun 1714, Watertown, MA, son of John-4 and Sarah
    (CUTTING) WHITNEY [Joseph-3, John-2, John-1].
 B. John-4 WHITNEY, b. 15 Jun 1694, Watertown, MA, son of Benjamin-3 and
    Abigail (HAGAR) WHITNEY [John-2, John-1].
 C. John-4 WHITNEY, b. 29 Jul 1680, Watertown, MA, son of Joseph-3 and
    Martha (BEACH) WHITNEY [John-2, John-1].

The first possibility (A) is known to have married on 6 Oct 1737, Watertown, MA, Bethia CUTTER "of Watertown", he being called "of Weston". The intentions were recorded in Weston. His date of death is not known, but he is mentioned in the will of his father on Nov. 17, 1749. Bethia's date of death is also not known.

The second possibility (B) is known to have married, before 1730, Susan

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, and died before 18 May 1776 in Watertown, MA, when his heirs were

cited (_Middlesex County Probate Records_, File #24685). Her date of death is unknown, but it was after the birth of a daughter on 6 July 1748, and probably before the above citation of heirs. He seems to have always lived in Watertown.

The third possibility (C) is known to have married, Feb. 22, 1703/4, in Watertown, Sarah CUTTING, who died July 10, 1753, Weston, MA. He left a will which is abstracted as follows:

  John WHITNEY of Weston; wife Sarah; son Joseph (executor), all land in
  Weston and Waltham, all cattle, and utensils of husbandry; son Isaac, L80;
  son Zachry., L70; son John, L70; son Abrahm., L70; witnesses John WARREN,
  Elisha WARREN, Ebenr. CUTLER (_Middlesex County Probate Records_, File
  #24684).

This will was proved 15 Dec 1760, when the executor's bond was posted by Joseph WHITNEY, husbandman, with John WARREN, gentleman, of Weston, as surety (_ibid._). His death is clearly the one recorded in the Weston vital records on Nov. 11, 1760.

As you can see, there is no _a priori_ reason why any one of the three possibilities might not be the husband of Beriah (BEMIS)(CHILD)(PEIRCE) WHITNEY. Nevertheless, I believe that the correct husband was (C) above.

My reason to eliminate (A) is his age: he was 33 years younger than Beriah. While this is not impossible, it seems extremely unlikely! We also do not know that he was still alive, nor do we know that his known wife had died.

My reason to eliminate (B) is his residence: he always lived in Watertown, as nearly as I can determine. Of course, he may have lived in Weston for long enough to qualify, but I find no record of that. We likewise do not know that he was still alive, nor do we know that his known wife had died.

My reasons for choosing (C) are his age, his residence, and his known eligibility. He was one year senior to Beriah. He lived in Weston, where he made his will, where his known wife died, and where he died. His known wife Sarah died a little more than a year before the marriage to Beriah. Furthermore, Beriah's daughter Mary CHILD is proven by the estate papers of her estate to have married Joseph WHITNEY. This man can be identified as Joseph-5 WHITNEY, bp. June 12, 1719, Weston, MA, aged about 2 months, son of (C) and his wife Sarah (CUTTING). He married Mary CHILD on 11 Mar 1743 in Weston. This appears to explain how John and Beriah met, as father of the groom and mother of the bride.

While this analysis is short of proof, I am going to accept this solution until proof is found. A possible source which has not been examined yet is Middlesex County Land Records. The deeds may shed light on either which John had a wife or widow Beriah between 1754 and 1768, or on the death dates of (A), (B), and their spouses, or else reveal some other useful piece of information.

All this being said, it seems unlikely to matter much genealogically what the truth is here, since Beriah had no children by her husband John WHITNEY, whoever he was. It does make a difference historically and biographically, of course.

I would be interested to correspond with anyone who might be able to shed more information on the above subject. I have posted this to my page of WHITNEY genealogical corrections at <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/correct.html>.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 18:21:43 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Ezra Whitney, 1759, VT

This web page I found through an Alta Vista search provides some interesting and well researched information on Ezra Whitney, b.1759, of VT and NY., as well as a passel of his ancestors and descendants. Perhaps they should be included in the John database. A. Whitney Brown.

<A HREF="http://www.gentree.com/cgi-bin/igmget/n=Doyle?ID98">Doyle Genealogic

al Database Individual</A>

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:08:03 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Genealogy Techniques

Whitney:

I vote yes for the inclusions, on the theory that all information is valuable and may be just what someone needs down the line.

Allan

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:18:37 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Genealogy Techniques

Hi Im fairly new at this and I think putting those who married WHITNEYS would be a good idea. Sometimes I think my Whitneys were dropped from the sky. I wish someone from PA or NY would do the same, I think thats where my Whitneys are from. Mary

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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:39:21 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janis Whitaker) Subject: NH Census Index 1830-Whitneys Cc: [email protected]

Dear WRG: Here are the

               WHITNEYS IN THE  1830 NH CENSUS INDEX

                       PAGE   TOWN

CHESHIRE COUNTY

  Charles W.           092   Troy
  David                058   Fitzwilliam
  Ede                  020   Cheshire
  Edward               159   Keene
  Henry                317   Walpole
  Isaiah               075   Rindge
  Josiah               171   Nelson
  Lovell               075   Rindge
  Polly                093   Troy
  Zimri                080   Rindge

COOS COUNTY

  Charles              332   Dalton

GRAFTON COUNTY

  Franklin             265   Littleton
  H. M.                250   Lisbon
  Isaac                103   Canaan
  Jacob L.             025   Thornton
  Jonathan             128   Grafton
  Manning              049   Franconia
  Otis                 206   Rumney
  Silas                025   Thornton

HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY

  Christopher          538   New Ipswich
  Daniel               337   Dunstable
  Durell               540   New Ipswich
  Elnathan             313   Goffstown
  Jesse                341   Dunstable
  John                 315   Goffstown
  Joseph               336   Dunstable
  Phineas              563   Lyndeborough
  Pliny                491   Milford

MERRIMACK COUNTY

  Alexander            262   New London
  Asa                  123   Henniker
  Betsey               144   Concord
  Eleazer              123   Henniker
  Joan                 101   Bow
  Joseph               053   Canterbury
  Joshua               122   Henniker
  S.S.                 182   Chichester
  Samuel               192   Epsom
  Silas                116   Henniker

STRAFFORD COUNTY

  Esther               328   Tamworth
  Freeman              166   Conway
  Phineas              103   Alton
  Silas S.             374   Moultonborough

SULLIVAN COUNTY

  Jazaniah             344   Wendell
  John                 279   Cornish
  Leonard              236   Acworth
  Stephen              262   Claremont

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:41:50 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: Whitney12.ged

Dear Rob:

I guess the author is a whole bunch of us. Many of us have sent Jon gedcoms or attachments with descendency charts, FGR forms, etc over the past two years. He accepts responsibility only for accumulation - not sources or accuracy. I have submitted a fair amount, and the gedcoms that I have sent recently have notes and sources. However, previously, even though my notes included a lot of material on my sources, the earlier version of PAF that I was using did not transfer notes, etc. well in a gedcom, so some of that didn't make it through.

I am distressed that it still contains some errors that are obvious (most of them derived from misinformation in Ancestral File) - such as the one that says Elinor, wife of John-1 was born at St. Margaret, Warwick. There is no St. Margaret Warwick, in fact, none in the entirety of Warwickshire (source: The Phillimore Atlas and Index of Parish Registers edited by Cecil Humphery -Smith, 1984 ed). The St. Margaret is too coincidental not to have come from the place of her husband's baptism, but I have no clue where the Warwick came from. I searched all the available transcribed parish registers (for Warwickshire) at the Society of Genealogists Library in London last year, looking for a marriage of an Elinor anyone to a John Whitney, with no luck.

I also searched all of England in the Marriage Indices for the same thing.
Another one that still is there (I think) is assigning the birth of one of

John's children to "Hesworth" - another error from AF.

The problem is, with so many different people contributing, Jon (rightly) feels that he cannot alter anyone's submission. There was a time about 15 months ago, when this process of accumulation was just getting started that we found that there were four (very slightly) different versions of a family sequence. John went to the trouble of typing out all the differences for each generation, identifying from whom each version came, and asked us for suggestions as to how to resolve the differences. I was the only one who answered with citations of my sources and my basis for establishing the material I had submitted. Jon was not willing, and I can surely understand - the extreme courtesy and kindness with which our people treat each other is one of the real strengths of this group - why he was not, to then arbitrarily decide that I was the only one that was "right". It might have meant the end of our "just-getting-started" association. This, BTW, was long before we became a Maillist at Maiser, we were just sharing stuff back and forth with an individually maintained address list of a dozen or so people.

This problem does make Jon's life very difficult when it comes to match/merge of the information from each newly supplied gedcom.

If you have any suggestions, I for one would be very happy to hear them. We do have a few very careful people like Robert Ward who are very scrupulous in providing their citations, and many of the rest of us are getting better and better (as you might guess if you followed the recent discussion of the parentage of the Samuel Whitney of Stratford, CT who married Ann(e) Laboree/Laborie). Sources were bandied back and forth and cited at great length, and it was probably Robert's transcription of the will of Samuel's father, Nathaniel Whitney of Weston, MA, that "clinched" the argument, and A. Whitney Brown finally concluded that the data that he had gotten from the Phoenix book on the CT Whitneys was in error.

This is probably more than you wanted to know, but you did ask about sources.

Allan

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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:13:22 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janis Whitaker) Subject: Additions to 1830 NH Census Index Cc: [email protected]

Oops! sorry but I accidentally omitted these in the 1830 NH Census Index:

CHESHIRE COUNTY PAGE TOWN Whitney, Benjamin 052 Marlborough

        Benjamin Jr.  052   Marlborough

GRAFTON COUNTY Whitney, Otis 016 Campton

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:20:34 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Maine Census Indexes

Jan:

This is great news. We have neglected the material available from the other NE states for far too long - I guess it's just not quite as easy to get at.

I, for one, will welcome all the material you can provide, although I don't

own a scanner. Is there a New Brunswick maillist that could be contacted with a query about the status/history of Whitneyville?

Allan

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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:47:08 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janis Whitaker) Subject: NH Census Index 1840 Cc: [email protected]

              WHITNEYS IN THE 1840 NH CENSUS INDEX

              PAGE          DATA CODE

CHESHIRE COUNTY

 Asa           58         00001-00010
 Benjamin      204        00110-30110
 Benjamin      204        01010-40110
 Israel        260        40010-21100
 Joel          137        31010-01010
 John          136        11101-21110
 Jonathan      136        01201-00001
 Joseph        365        00101-22101
 Joshua        327        23101-20310
 Josiah        232        12101-11110
 Samuel        149        30210-22010
 Solomon       368        20201-01101

GRAFTON COUNTY

 Aaron         399        00001-10001
 Joseph        399        00010-10010
 Silas         429        10020-10100

HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY

 Amos          533        10010-41010
 Benjamin      497        11011-00116
 David         593        11001-40010
 Eleazer       533        21100-11101
 Elenor        512        10011-10201
 Isaac         533        10010-00110
 James         507        21010-21010
 Joseph        507        21010-12010
 Joshua        533        11100-10010
 Phineas       498        01201-22111

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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:57:28 -0400 From: "manicmood.netgsi.com" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Pennsylvania WHITNEY'S

As a silent member of the "WHITNEY List" for some time now, I have been secretly hoping to one day read that "magical post" which would randomly link me to another person researching my line or provide me with some other illusive key to get me unstuck. Unfortunately, neither has yet occurred.

So, rather than continue leaping from site to site, passively reading assorted lists and plucking through endless databases, I have decided to stick my novice neck out and seek the wisdom of the "WHITNEY Learned Ones". Admittedly, my current knowledge is limited, but I come before the high council with the following:

My gg-grandfather, Orson WHITNEY, b. (1860's?) (Presumably) Greenfield Township, Erie County, PA d. (?) (Presumably) Greenfield Township, Erie County, PA married Elsie GRAHAM, b. (?) d. (?). Known children: Arthur WHITNEY, b. Feb 1892 Greenfield Township, Erie County, PA d. May 1964.

Arthur WHITNEY married Bertha (Mc)CLEARY, b. April 24, 1890 d. March 1976. Known children: Ruby Elsie WHITNEY, b. May 9, 1910, Luella WHITNEY, Jeanette WHITNEY.

Additionally, information from a free, online surname search of World Family Tree Volume 3, Tree #: 2472 listed Orson WHITNEY's father as Aaron Parker WHITNEY, b. Oct 2, 1815 in Pepperell, MA and his mother as Phyrilla (Whew, what a name!) DURKEE, b. March 3, 1820. To date, I have not been able to conclusively verify any of this.

As a very humble neophyte, I would truly appreciate any information on the above!

Forever searching,

Rebecca L. Taccone

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 08:26:00 -0400 From: Susan Jensen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: Genealogy Techniques

[email protected] wrote: > > Hi Im fairly new at this and I think putting those who married > WHITNEYS would > be a good idea. Sometimes I think my Whitneys were dropped from the > sky. I > wish someone from PA or NY would do the same, I think thats where my > Whitneys > are from. Mary

Hi Mary

My Whitneys (Ibelieve) are from NY. If you need to know what or who

they are you can find my list on my Genealogy page at my Localsonly site listed below. I can give you more info it you need it. let me know Susan Towle Jensen -- [email protected]

See us on the Web at: http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~jjensen Geocities location at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/3238

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 14:27:26 -0500 To: [email protected] From: John Hrusovszky <[email protected]> Subject: Maine Whitney's

I'm trying to locate information on Henry Whitney from Aroostock County, ME. He was born on 06-Apr-1852 and married Aletha Staples who was born in Penobscot, ME on 18-Dec-1866. They both moved to Sherry, WI and were married.

Henry is the son of Moses Whitney who allegedly came from England to ME, and whose wife's name was Charlote Cromwell.

Henry's brothers and sisters were James, William, Edward, Samuel, George, Henry L., Annie, Jane, Lucy and Emma.

If anyone recognizes any of this line, please let me know. Thanks!

T-Net SysAdmin.

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:51:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Alan C. Wright, Prof. of Chemistry" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] CC: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: Maine Census Indexes

To all WRG:

Whitneyville, New Brunswick was later called Whitney and is a small town to the west of Newcastle on the Miramichi River, about half way to Sunny Corner and Red Bank. Probably founded about 1785 by my ancestor Ebenezer WHITNEY (so far I have not connected him to the CT branch! He seems to have sprung directly from the soil in NB!) on land owned as a crown grant by William Davidson. I still have relatives living there. It was once part of North Esk parish and the center of a large lumber industry until the disastrous fire of 1825.

Alan

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From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 14:19:10 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Maine Census Indexes

Im looking for any Whitney , who married a Mary Fuller around 1887- whenever. Possibly PA. or NY. Someone must have something they had five sons. If you have any info please email me. Thanks Mary

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:49:24 -0400 (EDT) To: "Alan C. Wright, Prof. of Chemistry" <[email protected]> From: [email protected] (Janis Whitaker) Subject: Re: Maine Census Indexes Cc: [email protected]

>To all WRG: > >Whitneyville, New Brunswick was later called Whitney and is a small town to the >west of Newcastle on the Miramichi River, about half way to Sunny Corner and >Red Bank. Probably founded about 1785 by my ancestor Ebenezer WHITNEY (so far >I have not connected him to the CT branch! He seems to have sprung directly >from the soil in NB!) on land owned as a crown grant by William Davidson. I >still have relatives living there. It was once part of North Esk parish and >the center of a large lumber industry until the disastrous fire of 1825. > >Alan Dear Alan, I am delighted that you were able to locate Whitney, NB for us. I am familiar with the Miramichi area as I too have ancestors who settled the area, amd cousins still living there! Many of the immigrants came to the area on return voyages of ships that carried lumber to Great Britian. I did some research,during a recent trip to NB, on Ebenezer Whitney for Mary Ellen Jones in our group, and would be happy to send it to you, if you would like, and to anyone else who is interested. Shall I publish it to the group? Cheers, Jan

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:56:24 -0700 To: [email protected] From: sherrill madden <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY, Royal

Seeking connections to WHITNEY in St. Lawrence county NY ... given name of ROYAL .

WHITNEY, Russell m. Billicent (Hurley?) and settled in Madrid NY. Children: Royal Edwin, Harry, Catherine Hurley Whitney, all born about 1825-1840 in St. Lawrence County (Madrid, Morley, Canton, Lisbon). Russell ~I believe~ was born in VT and Billicent in MA. Russell was a farmer. Upon adulthood Royal Edwin and parents moved to Lockport, Niagara County, NY where he was a Justice of the Peace and war veteran. I believe that ROYAL is a family surname and hope someone else has his branch of the family tree.

Sherrill Madden

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:10:15 -0700 To: [email protected] From: sherrill madden <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY, Royal (oops)

Correction : I believe that ROYAL is a family "given name" ... sorry! Sherrill

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:26:38 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janis Whitaker) Subject: Whitney's in Nova Scotia & ME

Dear WRG,

     I found a new (to me anyhow) site on the web-ATLANTIC CANADIAN

GENEALOGY LINKS <http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/chapy/glinks.htm> which contains lots of Homepages. One that contains some Whitneys is Eaton Family of Nova Scotia (Keith Berry). Perhaps there are more in other sites.

    Also I have a stray Maine Whitney I came across at the ME Hist.Soc. :

George Whitney 1852-1900, Charlotte W., his wife 1851-1910 died Brunswick(ME),(buried) lot 45-Pennell(cemetery)-large stone. Hope someone can connect with him. Jan

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:06:09 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janis Whitaker) Subject: Ebenezer of Whitney, NB Cc: [email protected]

Dear Alan and WRG's,

    I am sending this to all so that anyone who needs to know won't be omitted.

I found this information at the Moncton Public Library, NB.

29 July 1811 New Brunswick Royal Gazette."m. Thursday Eve. last, 27th. by Rev. Dr. Byles, EBENEZER WHITNEY, Newcastle, Northumberland Co./MISS CHARLOTTE PARKER, Kingsclear, York Co.

2 Feb. 1828, New Brunswick Courier, St.John. m. 26th by B.G.Gray. THOMAS L. LANGON, ESQ. Merchant, Fredericton/CHARLOTTE, third d/o SAMUEL WHITNEY of this place.

WHITNEY, ANNIE ELIZA b. 21-09-1873 at Pine River. Father EBENEZER married DEBORA SULLIVAN County Kent. [Found in Census Book 8-4 page 179 entry # 952. Film 14036. Provincial Archives, U. New Brunswick, Fredericton.]

Census for 1851-Weldford Parish, Kent County. WHITNEY, EBENEZER, husband, 28yrs,native of Canada, Presbyterian Farmer/Labourer. WHITNEY, DEBORAH,wife, 28yrs, Irish Native. WHITNEY, MATHEW, son, 5yrs, native. WHITNEY, EMILY, daughter, 3yrs, native. WHITNEY, ROBERT J.E., son, 1yr, native. Hope this helps, a little at least. Jan

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:02:53 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janice Whitaker) Subject: Whitneys in 1830 Maine Census Index Cc: [email protected]

                       WHITNEYS IN 1830 MAINE CENSUS INDEX

                   PAGE TOWN

CUMBERLAND COUNTY

 Abel              133  Sebago
 Ammi R.           135  Cumberland
 Amos N.           174  Bridgton
 Benjamin          141  Cumberland
 Benjamin          178  Bridgton
 Daniel            311  Gorham
 Edmund            312  Gorham
 Edward            206  Falmouth
 Eli               282  Harrison
 Eli               313  Gorham
 Ephraim           267  Raymond
 George W.         178  Bridgton
 Humphrey          135  Cumberland
 Isaac             265  Raymond
 Isaac             312  Gorham
 James             301  Gorham
 James             301  Gorham
 James             135  Cumberland
 Joanna            162  Gray
 John              206  Falmouth
 Joseph            273  Otisfield
 Josiah            286  Harrison
 Jotham            345  North Yarmouth
 Moses             264  Raymond
 Peter             311  Gorham
 Phinehas          135  Cumberland
 Samuel            135  Cumberland
 Stephen           167  Gray
 Stephen           281  Harrison
 Thomas            267  Raymond
 Uriel             348  North Yarmouth
 Uriel Jr.         348  North Yarmouth
 William           270  Raymond
 Zebulon           313  Gorham

LINCOLN COUNTY

 Abiezer           331  Bowdoin
 Abraham           202  Lisbon
 Abraham 2nd       200  Lisbon
 Amos              195  Lisbon
 Amos              356  Bath
 Benjamin          202  Lisbon
 Benjamin          322  Bowdoin
 Ebenezer          299  Topsham
 Hannah            356  Bath
 Isaac             205  Lisbon
 John              228  Warren
 Joseph            201  Lisbon
 Joseph S.         202  Lisbon
 Lidia             202  Lisbon
 Ruth              327  Bowdoin
 Samuel            200  Lisbon
 Thomas            201  Lisbon
 William           351  Bath

OXFORD COUNTY

Joseph             010  Woodstock

PENOBSCOT COUNTY

 Ephraim           463  Corinth
 George            488  Newport
 Humphry           432  Levant
 John E.           442  Dexter
 William           463  Corinth

YORK COUNTY

 Elijah            274  Parsonfield

End of 1830 Maine Census Index

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:07:46 -0400 (EDT) To: "Alan C. Wright, Prof. of Chemistry" <[email protected]>

From: [email protected] (Janice Whitaker) Subject: RE: Ebenezer Whitney info. Cc: [email protected]

>Dear Jan, > >Thanks for your NB info. The Eben. is the son of our mystery Ebenezer. > >Could you please check you notes again for the last bit of material. You state >the 1851 census for Weldford Parish, Kent co. The dates I have for this >family seem to all be internally consistent if it were the 1861 census. Since >my info. is from another person I can't be sure if it is correct but since >Eben. & Deborah and their first 3 children's ages are OK for 1861 census >thought I'd ask you to check. > >Alan Dear Alan, You are correct. Those were 1861 Census entries for Weldford Parish, Kent County, NB, and I apologise to all.

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From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:12:45 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Whitney gravesites

It would be very helpful to establish a list of where Whitney graves can be found, especially the earliest or better known Whitneys. Also, a site about Whitney-on-Wye, England would be very interesting. Many of us have traveled there, and could share much information and post photos on websites.

Have you thought about establishing a bulletin board as an open forum on Whitney issues? Most subjects seem to have their own boards, and they are great for exchanging viewpoints and information.

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:34:45 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Windham Co., CT Marriages

Dear WRG:

In looking at someone's website late last night, I came upon a link to a listing of marriages of Windham Co., CT (which touches the MA border) and found a few Whitney marriages. They are stated to have been extracted from three sources; CT Vital Records, the Barbour Collection (with which I am not familiar) and Bailey's "Early CT Marriages".

Whitney, Cornelius (of Killingly) and Zerviah CLEVELAND, Nov. 7, 1751

Whitney, James Rix, and Polly HOLLAND, Oct. 31, 1781

Whitney, Sophia, and Capt. Elishan LORD, Nov. 28, 1799

Whitney, Elizabeth, and John PARISH, May 30, 1790

Whitney, Eunice, and Stephen BACKUS, Sept. 2, 1798

Whitney, Lois, and Erastus BAKER, Nov. 4, 1787

I hope that these will prove useful to someone among the WRG.

Can Jon or someone please tell me how many persons/individuals there should be in the Witney12 gedcom. I created a new database with one of the files that I downloaded and found 6892 individuals and 2961 marriages. It had a number of errors that it reported, including two husbands shown as female (one of which was the same female name married to herself as husband and unlinked - when I got details I found a record number that brought up the husband, who was linked back to his ancestry, but opening the marriage record got me only the wife married to herself as husband again, and it won't let me delete and replace that "husband" with the one it is supposed to be). I may come back to this and try again if one of the other versions doesn't work better. I don't want to spend time struggling with this database if it doesn't have all the material in it anyway.

Before I try again to deal with the powers that be at Rootsweb, has anyone heard from or anything about Michael Ray Whitney since last April? The last time I tried with the owners of Rootsweb to determine the status of the listowner question, they told me that they had heard from Michael on the matter and would get back to me. They never did, and so I thought I might try again. I don't really WANT to be listowner, but the list will really be more effective if SOMEONE is, so as to handle whatever problems come up and keep track of the current status of the membership list, etc. AOL members directory still shows him as having an account, but the last time I tried to e-mail him (which was admittedly quite a while ago) the message came back mailbox full. I'll try again to send him an e-mail tonight, and report back on the result - but if anyone else has information, please let me know.

Allan E. Green "Why is the word abbreviation so long?"

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:43:43 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Faxes on Ct Whitneys To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Hello everybody!

A. Whitney Brown faxed to me pages from the following. I'll be reviewing and making additions to my databases as I go. I'll keep you posted on any new descendants and info.

I'm willing to receive the pages with 49 descendants of EZRA WHITNEY as written in "The History of Woodstock, Connecticut", in case someone else hasn't already volunteered.

Here's what Whitney sent me so far:

"Hall's Norwalk Records. The Ancient Historical Records of Norwalk, Connecticut" Compiled by Erwin Hall, 1973

"Descendants of Rev. Thomas Hanford" Volume One, Compiled by Augustus C. Golding, 1936, Norwalk, Connecticut

"The History of the Old Town of Derby, Connecticut, 1642-1880. with Biographies and Genealogies." by Samuel Orcutt, and Ambrose Beardsley, M.D. 1880

-) Jeanne

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 11:10:16 +0000 From: "Stelmach, Debbie" <xbk0050%[email protected]> Sender: "Stelmach, Debbie" <xbk0050%[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: GEDCOM Compatibility

Here's a little background information about GEDCOM files in general. Hope this clarifies some of the problems and confusion some folks have encountered when importing their WHITNEY12.GED.

GEDCOM data is not 100% compatible with all genealogy programs in existence which is why various people may be missing information or getting exception errors. Such errors are to be expected.

There are some "industry standard" events such as birth, marriage, death which are recognized by all genealogy programs and these should import with little problem. There are other events which can be recorded in a person's lifetime which may or may not be recognized by your genealogy program. It depends upon how flexible your program is.

For instance, Family Origins lets the user customize the types of events.

I added an event called "Cemetery" which included fields to list the

cemetery name, date, and location. I also added an event called "graduated" which includes name of school, date, and location. If I were to create a GEDCOM file, it would include the cemetery and graduated events. Others who import the GEDCOM would probably reject those items because their program doesn't recognize cemetery or graduated.

Some genealogy programs will let you control what events are exported, some don't. Some programs have options for placing unrecognized data into note fields, others programs will create a file of rejects.

Different genealogy programs may also have various levels of success with notes and sources for the same reasons. Others have options to not export notes and sources.

This is an age-old dilema for people who do programming and data processing and not just a genealogy problem. The sharing of information across different computers and different programs will have various degrees of success. Again, the level of industry-defined standards tend to dictate how much or how little information is successfully transferred.

In this case, knowing that you have the correct number of individuals and correct number of families is a good indicator of how successful your GEDCOM import was. You can also browse, edit, or print the GEDCOM file with any standard text editor. Missing data can be manually entered as needed (although humbug to do).

Experiment with your genealogy program to see what it does with stuff it doesn't recognize. Check to see if there are import/export options. There maybe features which you can play with which will increase the amount of data it recognizes.

For those of you on Compuserve, the Roots forum has some library files about GEDCOM. As I recall, there was at least one file which went into some technical detail about how GEDCOM files work.

Hope this helps!

Debbie J Stelmach Honolulu [email protected] [email protected]

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From: "Alice Harris" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:06:24 +0000 Subject: Re: 8467 individuals

> > I got Witney12 two different ways (.GED and .FTW, version 4) and each > > has 8467 individuals. Is this right/everybody? > > Yes, and 2939 families. > I found that a lot of the individual information > didn't make it into the GEDCOM import. Family Origins created an ANSI > text "surplus" file of 865k (23,795 lines !!) of information which > didn't import for whatever reason. Sample excerpt: > > UNKNOWN RECORD at Line 103249: > 1 _FA2 > 2 DATE 22 Aug 1994 > 3 PLAC PORTL > I too got the same number of individuals and families as Christopher. by importing to PAF 2.31. But I too didn't get the notes and sources. PAF gives even more ambiguous info in the notes. But what it means, and I suspect it is the same with other programs, is that the format of the information being sent doesn't match the format of of your program.

As an example, I am told that Roots III has different types of entries depending on what type of sources the info is taken from and how good it is ranging from VRs to County histories, etc.. Paf only has one place for location and date in each event field. So Paf doesn't recognize the various gradations of the Roots III information. While it will put the location and date in there is ambiguous info in the notes area regarding the information it can't handle.

Is there anyone on the list who uses PAF 3.0 or 2.31 who was able to download the witney12.ged and get the sources and notes? If so would you please tell me how you did it or perhaps send me a gedcom from your program? One Paf will transfer to another PAF with everything in tack.

Thanks, Alice Harris Molalla, OR [email protected]

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:42:07 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: Judy Condon <[email protected]> Subject: Adelia Resley Robbins Whitney 1844

Hi Fellow Whitney Researchers,

My gr. grandmother, Adelia Resley Robins married DWIGHT ADAMS WHITNEY son of John Martyn Whitney, William Rev. Peter etc. of Northboro MA. Dwight Adams Whitney b. New Haven CT 25 Jul 1848 is listed in Pierce's Whtieny genealogy

1. 7670 p 622. Me married Adalia Resley Robbins 16 May 1872 and she was born

Mar 14, 1844.

I find no record of her birth in CT, have found her grave and death date in New Haven, CT. Funeral home is out of business, I have a picture of her but do not know WHERE SHE WAS BORN.

If anyone has a copy of the vitals of Marlborough, Northboro MA and can search this name for me for a possible birth, I would appreciate it. I am seeking her parents' names as well. Pierce provides no other info on Adelia.

Thanks in advance for anyhelp anyone can provide.

Judy Condon

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:14:08 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Descendants of John & Ruth Reynolds To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Cleaning out some older files I found from various places. Cannot remember if I have sent this to everyone or not.

-->Jon Aston -- please tell me if these families are a part of WITNEY12, as I have not yet successfully converted the file. Will gladly send this in Gedcom format to you (or anyone else) if needed. :-) Jeanne

This is TIMOTHY-3 WHITNEY (John-2, John-1)

1-- Timothy WHITNEY (1678- ) Roxbury,Massachusetts

     sp-Margaret BACON (1680-    )
        2-- Joseph WHITNEY (1716-    )  Watertown,Massachusetts
         sp-Anna PALMER (    -    )
         sp-Mary HASTINGS (1718-    )
            3-- Palmer WHITNEY (1778-1854)  Warwick,Orange,Massachusetts
             sp-Judath BARBER (1777-1852)
                4-- John WHITNEY (1804-1854)  Orange,Massachusetts
                 sp-Rachel WARD (1809-1839)
                    5-- Seymour WHITNEY (1827-1908)  Wyoming,New York
                     sp-Sarepta WARREN (1831-1880)
                        6-- Hiram Albert WHITNEY (1853-    )
                        6-- Allen WHITNEY (1855-    )
                        6-- Fanny WHITNEY (1858-    )
                        6-- Mary J. WHITNEY (1860-    )
                        6-- Eliza WHITNEY (1864-    )
                        6-- G. J. WHITNEY (1867-    )
                        6-- Hastings M. WHITNEY (1868-    )
                        6-- Julia A. WHITNEY (1871-    )
                     sp-Addie WARD (1852-1915)  Illinois
                        6-- Ressie Bell WHITNEY (1890-1974)

Half-Way,Missouri

                         sp-Walter Bernard ROSE (1891-1944)  Cedar

Grove,Randolph Co.,Arkansas

                            7-- Archie Hastings ROSE (1926-    )
                            7-- Walter Bonepart ROSE (1910-    )
                            7-- Rachel Clarenda ROSE (1912-    )
                            7-- Mary Williametta ROSE (1913-    )
                            7-- Addie Amelia ROSE (1915-    )
                            7-- Violet Bell ROSE (1920-    )
                            7-- Ralph Whitney ROSE (1918-    )
                        6-- William A. WHITNEY (1881-    )
                        6-- Iona A. WHITNEY (1883-    )
                        6-- Alta Melissa WHITNEY (1885-    )
                        6-- John L. WHITNEY (1887-    )
                        6-- Mark WHITNEY (1892-    )
                    5-- Alden WHITNEY (1829-    )
                 sp-Mariah BLOOD (1812-    )
                    5-- Daniel WHITNEY (1840-    )
                    5-- Rachel WHITNEY (1842-    )
                    5-- Mary Ann WHITNEY (1844-    )
                    5-- John WHITNEY (1848-    )
                    5-- Maria WHITNEY (1848-    )
                    5-- Melvin WHITNEY (1851-    )
                    5-- Charlotte WHITNEY (1852-    )
                4-- Joseph WHITNEY (1798-    )
                4-- Mark WHITNEY (1815-    )
                4-- Benjamin F. WHITNEY (1818-    )
                4-- Lemuel P. WHITNEY (1821-    )
                4-- Jarvis WHITNEY (1811-    )
                4-- Anna WHITNEY (    -    )
                4-- Arseneth WHITNEY (1802-    )
                4-- Mary WHITNEY (    -    )
                4-- Angeline WHITNEY (    -    )
                4-- Nancy WHITNEY (    -    )
            3-- Abigail WHITNEY (1749-    )
            3-- Martha WHITNEY (1752-    )
            3-- Ann WHITNEY (1755-    )
            3-- Samuel WHITNEY (1758-    )
            3-- Lois WHITNEY (1761-    )
            3-- Mary WHITNEY (    -    )
            3-- Content WHITNEY (    -    )
            3-- Palmer WHITNEY (1777-    )
            3-- Edward WHITNEY (    -    )
            3-- Abigail WHITNEY (1781-    )
            3-- Lemuel WHITNEY (1784-    )
        2-- Sarah WHITNEY (1706-    )
        2-- Caleb WHITNEY (1711-    )
        2-- Moses WHITNEY (1714-    )
        2-- Timothy WHITNEY (1720-    )
        2-- Timothy WHITNEY (1721-    )

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From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Descendants of John & Ruth Reynolds Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 03:04:09 GMT

> Cleaning out some older files I found from various places. Cannot remember > if I have sent this to everyone or not. > > -->Jon Aston -- please tell me if these families are a part of WITNEY12, as > I have not yet successfully converted the file. Will gladly send this in > Gedcom format to you (or anyone else) if needed. :-) Jeanne > > This is TIMOTHY-3 WHITNEY (John-2, John-1) > > 1-- Timothy WHITNEY (1678- ) Roxbury,Massachusetts > sp-Margaret BACON (1680- ) > 2-- Joseph WHITNEY (1716- ) Watertown,Massachusetts > sp-Anna PALMER ( - ) > sp-Mary HASTINGS (1718- ) > 3-- Palmer WHITNEY (1778-1854) Warwick,Orange,Massachusetts > sp-Judath BARBER (1777-1852) > 4-- John WHITNEY (1804-1854) Orange,Massachusetts > sp-Rachel WARD (1809-1839) > 5-- Seymour WHITNEY (1827-1908) Wyoming,New York > sp-Sarepta WARREN (1831-1880) > 6-- Hiram Albert WHITNEY (1853- ) > 6-- Allen WHITNEY (1855- ) > 6-- Fanny WHITNEY (1858- ) > 6-- Mary J. WHITNEY (1860- ) > 6-- Eliza WHITNEY (1864- ) > 6-- G. J. WHITNEY (1867- ) > 6-- Hastings M. WHITNEY (1868- ) > 6-- Julia A. WHITNEY (1871- ) > sp-Addie WARD (1852-1915) Illinois > 6-- Ressie Bell WHITNEY (1890-1974) > Half-Way,Missouri > sp-Walter Bernard ROSE (1891-1944) Cedar > Grove,Randolph Co.,Arkansas > 7-- Archie Hastings ROSE (1926- ) > 7-- Walter Bonepart ROSE (1910- ) > 7-- Rachel Clarenda ROSE (1912- ) > 7-- Mary Williametta ROSE (1913- ) > 7-- Addie Amelia ROSE (1915- ) > 7-- Violet Bell ROSE (1920- ) > 7-- Ralph Whitney ROSE (1918- ) > 6-- William A. WHITNEY (1881- ) > 6-- Iona A. WHITNEY (1883- ) > 6-- Alta Melissa WHITNEY (1885- ) > 6-- John L. WHITNEY (1887- ) > 6-- Mark WHITNEY (1892- ) > 5-- Alden WHITNEY (1829- ) > sp-Mariah BLOOD (1812- ) > 5-- Daniel WHITNEY (1840- ) > 5-- Rachel WHITNEY (1842- ) > 5-- Mary Ann WHITNEY (1844- ) > 5-- John WHITNEY (1848- ) > 5-- Maria WHITNEY (1848- ) > 5-- Melvin WHITNEY (1851- ) > 5-- Charlotte WHITNEY (1852- ) > 4-- Joseph WHITNEY (1798- ) > 4-- Mark WHITNEY (1815- ) > 4-- Benjamin F. WHITNEY (1818- ) > 4-- Lemuel P. WHITNEY (1821- ) > 4-- Jarvis WHITNEY (1811- ) > 4-- Anna WHITNEY ( - ) > 4-- Arseneth WHITNEY (1802- ) > 4-- Mary WHITNEY ( - ) > 4-- Angeline WHITNEY ( - ) > 4-- Nancy WHITNEY ( - ) > 3-- Abigail WHITNEY (1749- ) > 3-- Martha WHITNEY (1752- ) > 3-- Ann WHITNEY (1755- ) > 3-- Samuel WHITNEY (1758- ) > 3-- Lois WHITNEY (1761- ) > 3-- Mary WHITNEY ( - ) > 3-- Content WHITNEY ( - ) > 3-- Palmer WHITNEY (1777- ) > 3-- Edward WHITNEY ( - ) > 3-- Abigail WHITNEY (1781- ) > 3-- Lemuel WHITNEY (1784- ) > 2-- Sarah WHITNEY (1706- ) > 2-- Caleb WHITNEY (1711- ) > 2-- Moses WHITNEY (1714- ) > 2-- Timothy WHITNEY (1720- ) > 2-- Timothy WHITNEY (1721- ) > > If anyone knows anything about anyone in this line please let me know; this is my line of Whitney's. Robert Eugene Rose [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:22:58 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Witney12 Problem

After downloading Witney12 I tried to put it in my PAF select file. The input went all right for a while but then I started getting error messages.

"ERROR: Bad record number (16705), file: Witney12\select\notes2.d."  It told

me to hit enter which I did and after tapping enter several times it went on inserting names and then gave me that message again. After this happening five times before I was through, it finally finished with 8467 Individuals and 2939 Marriages which I understand is correct.

I thought, great, everything is OK now. My mistake!! When trying to check through the names I kept getting the same message with the same results. I kept trying to access the names but finally gave up and deleted all as I went out.

I know that a lot of hard work went into Witney12, and all the others, and I want to thank Jon and everyone else involved, but can someone please tell me how I can avoid this problem.

In the little that I was able to get to I found that my Alice Whitney, married to Nathaniel Woods, was not listed as the child of Joshua, the son of John and Elinor. Is there a problem?

Thank you for all the great information that I have received since joining this group.

Sincerely, Mary Manroe

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From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:53:27 GMT To: [email protected] CC: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: LMA visit report; Lambeth; Isleworth; IGI; Henry

Allan,

Well - Ed and I both made it to the London Metropolitan Archives (ex-GLRO) on Tuesday. Ed looked through the LAMBETH St Mary P.R.s (separate bapt. & marr.) for the period 1538 thro' 1590, and I looked through the ISLEWORTH All Saints P.R. (combined bapt., marr. & burials) for the period 1566 (P.R. start date) thro' 1610. All these have been filmed, and the film clarity was fairly good on the whole. However, the Isleworth register was badly damaged, supposedly as a result of the Great Fire of London in 1666. This register covered the period 1566 to 1653, and it must have been lodged somewhere closer to London than Isleworth to have been so damaged by the Great Fire. Apparently the originals are currently held in the Hounslow Public Library.

Unfortunately Ed found no reference to a Thomas Whitney over the period mentioned above. However, he did find one Whitney entry - a baptism for John the son of Robert Whitney on 27 Sept 1567. It is not at all obvious where this baptism fits in. The new facts are that a Robert Whitney and a John Whitney are linked to Lambeth Marsh in addition to our Thomas, the John Whitney being baptised there in 1567. This Robert could just about be the 3rd son of Sir Robert - the date almost makes sense - Robert could have been aged 20, although it is somewhat 'tight'. It might account for why Thomas called one of his sons John - if indeed Thomas & Robert were somehow related. Pure speculation!

Now for the Isleworth register. First of all, I did not search beyond 1610 and so did not find any of the Isleworth entries relating to Thomas/John/Elinor. My objective was to find entries pertaining to a William Whitney, referred to by Melville, quoting Henry Austin Whitney. HAW mentions a William Whitney in Isleworth circa 1574 with 3 sons "William, Robert & Nicholas" (no specific dates quoted), and Jacobus (or Reed - I forget) suggests that Thomas's forbears should perhaps be sought in Isleworth.

I found the following 7 entries:-

a) 1573 July 24 Bur. Johan Whitney the wife of William Whitney b) 1573 Sept 17 Mar. ? Whitney to Elizabeth Smyth c) 1575/6 Jan 26 Bap. William Whitney the sonne of William Whitney d) 1579 Oct 27 Bap. Robert Whitney the sonne of William Whitney e) 1581 Nov 26 Bap. Lawrence Whitney the sonne of William Whitney f) 1586 Aug 03 Bap. Elizabeth Whitney the dau. of William Whitney g) 1590 July 12 Bap. Cedron Whitney the sonne of William Whitney

Comments on the above .....

  on a): Spelling 'Johan', presumably = Joan or Joanne - clearly "the
         wife ..".

  on b): 2 weddings were entered for that day. The groom's given name
         for the second wedding appears to have been written at the
         end of the first line immediately following the entry for
         the first wedding, and had been burned away, being at the
         edge of a right-hand page.  The first word on the second
         line was "Whitney".

  on c): I have used "/" as a reminder that the calendar year ran
         April-March

  on f): The name Elizabeth for the first (only) daughter is at least
         consistent with the assumption that the wedding was of
         William Whitney to Elizabeth Smyth

  on g): Definitely "Cedron". My wife tells me that she has come
         across this name in old legal documents

  Final comment:  no sign of a Nicholas as reported by HAW.  I
         wondered if he had mis-read "Lawrence" but this is unlikely
         as the script was reasonably clear. Ed invited a passing
         lady to offer her opinion and she said "definitely Lawrence"
         without any prompting.

More speculation - the date of the above marriage was 10 years before Thomas's marriage in 1583, so maybe William was Thos's older brother as suggested by Melville.

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I have again checked through the 1988 IGI London Whitney listing, and I note an entry for Thomas Whitney, BIRTH, 1560 (no exact date), at "LAMBETH, Lambeth Marsh". The lack of an exact date usually indicates an Individual Entry, virtually all of which I have found to be wrong at best! Also, Lambeth would be listed under Surrey, not London, if recorded by an LDS photo team. I would normally be inclined to ignore it as pure speculation on someone's part, but it might be worth tracing the IGI entry document, which dates from June 1987, so the originator is probably still traceable and can be asked for his/her source. Do we know anyone who could easily do this? The Batch code is 8633503 sheet 71.

Another odd one which might be worth tracking is the IGI Surrey Whitney entry for Robert Whitney, MARRIAGE to Elizabeth Guilliams/Williams[/Duglim], also 1560 (no exact date), again at LAMBETH. It might be useful to find out the source of the Lambeth connection for this Robert, the 3rd son of Sir Robert. I have not seen any other public record reference to Lambeth for this marriage. The Entry date is May 1978; the Batch code is 7727901 sheet 82.

If the above two entries were reliable (which I strongly suspect they are not), then it would virtually clinch the connection between Thomas and Robert, still leaving the age difficulty to be explained, given that Robert apparently could not have been born before 1548. Perhaps you could try to pursue the sources for these IGI entries.

On the subject of the origin of Henry of Connecticut, Reed mentions the Fish Street records. I had also homed in on these when corresponding with Tom Butcher, whose note on the de Salis fraud you recently transcribed. The 1988 IGI London Whitney listing shows the following somewhat bizarre set of entries relating to a Henery - all at London, St Mary Magdalene, Old Fish Street:-

a) 1622 May 12 BAPT Henery Whetney to Henery Whetney/Elsabeth b) 1623 May 23 MARR Henery Whetney to Anne Watson c) 1623/4 Mar 21 BAPT Willam Whetney to Henery Whetney/Elsabeth d) 1628 May 18 BAPT Henery Whetne to Henery Whetne/

One needs a fairly vivid imagination to explain these! I feel they are worth checking carefully, and I will do that when I can. On the Connecticut side, is there any mention of Henry's wife's name, e.g. from a shipping record, or of any children ?

John

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:40:00 -0400 To: [email protected] From: Darcy Lovley <[email protected]> Subject: Whitney in Conn. or Nova Scotia

Does anyone have any info on an Amy Whitney born abt 1752 married a David Randall bron Jan. 17, 1749 Preston Conn. Her father is Elisha Whitney from the info I have. I looked at the Whitney12.ged file and there is one Elisha that is the right time frame, but there isn't any info on his descendants. David's parents moved to Nova Scotia along with his siblings and him.

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:15:07 -0400 From: Diane Draper <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: whitney roots

Hello,

 I am looking for any geneology connected to my mothers family. Her

fathers name was William Whitney, he died in 1972 at age 72-76? He married Helene Yenny or Yenney and had 3 daughters, Jean, Sally and Carol. Any information on their family line would be most appreciated. My e-mail address is: [email protected]

 Thank you, Diane

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From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:24:13 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: 8467 individuals

Dear Alice:

I, too, use PAF 3.0 and have yet to be able to open the complete file. I've tried two different versions that Jon sent me - the first one had an error in it that stopped the conversion process somewhere in the middle - I didn't mark it down. The second one he sent ran into an error condition also, after converting 7028 individual records and 1254 marriages/families. I had thought that my computer, which was behaving somewhat strangely about that time, (giving me General Protection Faults and [seemingly] randomly closing out my modem in the middle of on-line sessions) might have "corrupted" the file during the download process, but the second try also had the same problem (although I cannot swear it was in the same place) and both downloaded without interruption from AOL. I've basically decided to wait for Whitny13, in the hopes that it will work with my programs. I really feel a strong need for all the sourcing and notes, so am not going to try to take it into PAF2.31.

I have appreciated all the various suggestions and posts on the subject. A particular thanks to Debbie Stelmach for her explanation of the basis for some of the problems, but even my increased understanding after reading her explanation does not help me cope with the fact that my PAF3.0 stops dead when it runs into the error and then quits the conversion process right there, leaving out everything after that point. If it would skip over the error, omitting whatever is there, and go on until it finds the next "good data" and pick up and go on, I'd be perfectly happy with that result. I don't think I want to take a file that is 2,183,766 bytes long and open it in my word processor to hunt for a mistake that I probably wouldn't recognize anyway.

For what it's worth, the PAF program, version 3.0 uses the Gedcom 5.5 standard, whatever that means - I think it is supposed to address the problem of transfer of notes and sources. I really don't understand this problem, and why it seems to be happening to so many of us. I do realize that we probably have a minimum of 5 or 6 and probably more different genealogy programs in use among the WRG, and that each of those probably has updates periodically (PAF update was VERY long in coming - we waited several years!), and so the problem of compatibility of GEDCOM standards will continue to remain a complex one.

What has me most puzzled is that Jon sent me an advance copy of Whitny12 way back in June before I left on my West Coast trip, and I downloaded it just fine into PAF3.0 and have had no trouble with the material it included. Why the later version that came out after all the more recent contributions had been added now does not want to convert sucessfully is beyond my ken.

Please, I hope that no one takes these postings as a criticism of Jon Aston.

There is absolutely no way he can be held responsible for technical problems

like these. He is using a relatively recent version of probably the most popular genealogy program, one that does have reasonably frequent upgrades, and he is making every effort to accommodate everyone else's problems. I, for one, really appreciate the tremendous contribution he makes and hope everyone else does too.

Happy Hunting to all!

Allan GENEALOGICAL TRUTHS! "The census taker with the clear handwriting and the good ink never enumerated my/our ancestors."

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From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:32:27 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Maine Census Indexes

I am very interested in your reference to Whitneyville, NB. I am descended from Ebenezer Whitney, 1745-1810, after whom this town is named. Actually, it is on many maps of NB, and on modern maps, it is shown simply as Whitney.

I have many generations of Whitney descendents who have lived in that area, and there are still some Whitney families there. In July, 1997 I visited the town, and the graveyard next to the Whitney Baptist Church, for the 1st time.

Can you tell me more about the Whitney Baptist Church manuscript that you found at the Provincial Archives? Thanks. Craig Whitney

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From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:13:20 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Maine Whitney's

I think I can help. I don't know much about Henry, but I show a Henry B. as 1 of 10 children of Moses and Charlotte Cromwell. I am descended from this line and have much information.

I show their 10 children as James, Sarah Ann, Charlotte Jane, William Parker, Edmund, Samuel, Lucinda, George H, Henry B, and Emma.

Moses was b. in Whitney, NB March 4, 1810 to Samuel Whitney and Sarah Young. Samuel was b. in Sheffield, NB September 18, 1784 to Ebenezer Whitney and Huldah Mooers. Ebenezer was a pioneer settler of the Mirimichi River region of NB. We don't know where he came from - most indicators point to New England.

I am descended from Ebenezer Whitney and Huldah Mooers. I would like to exchange our information and sources. Craig Whitney

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From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:32:10 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Maine Census Indexes

I am descended from Ebenezer of Whitney, NB too. I would very much like to see results of your research. I correspond regularly with Mary Ellen Jones and Allen Green, and have been researching the Miramichi family for several years. No doubt you are familiar with Willis Hamilton's Old North Esk Revised.

I look forward to hearing from you. Craig Whitney

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 00:09:31 -0400 From: Christopher Brooks <[email protected]> To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: 8467 individuals

Allan,

I would never be so rude as to embarrass Jon publicly, but I immediately suspected he didn't set some of the export flags correctly when he produced the GEDCOM. In other words, the problem is *not* in the diversity of software but in a defective file.

This was confirmed a day or two ago in a private post I received from an unfamiliar name on the Whiyney list which escapes me at the moment (Rich?). He had shown the file to several database pros who pinpointed the problem, and my correspondent was going to work with Jon to crank out another GEDCOM, this time with the note and source flags turned on.

Best wishes,

Christopher Brooks

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From: "Roger, Carolyn or Randy Winch" <[email protected]> To: "Whitney Family discussion list" <[email protected]>

Subject: GEDCOM's for paf users Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 00:13:16 -0500

Hi All,

I've placed two zipped GEDCOM files on my ftp site.

ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/gumby/witpaf.zip for PAF version 3.0 (should work, if not try below)

ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/gumby/witpaf4.zip for PAF versions before 3.0 (includes notes)

Hope that this helps. Let me know if they work or not.

Randy Winch

P.S.

Sorry about that first message. I was testing the locations I gave and accidentally sent the message.

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 10:02:22 To: [email protected], [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Questions

Joe,

I will attempt to answer your questions.

At 01:36 AM 8/5/97 -0400, you wrote: >I have looked at the current GEDCOM of Nathaniel Whitney, b. April 14 1680. >This shows that he and his wife Sarah Ford had 10 children. This agrees with >McLellan's, "The History of Gorham, Maine," p.827. It also agrees with the >Bragdon/Frost, "Vital Records of York, Maine," p. 10. But it differs from the >Noyes, Libby and Davis, "Genealogical Dictionary of Maine and New Hampshire," >p. 750. > >Question: How does one pick one source over another? I tend to believe the >first two, because the VR shows deaths of two Lydias, children of Nathaniel >and Sarah. These two show two Lydia's.

It is hard to evaluate secondary sources such as those you quote. I have not seen the first nor the second, and I have seen the third, although I didn't look up the WHITNEY entries. Transcriptions of vital records are usually very reliable, although occasional errors have been uncovered in such works. The history book no doubt depended on someone's transcription of the vital records, so would be one more step removed from the original sources. In the same way, GDMNH is probably two steps from the original sources. On the other hand, GDMNH was written by three of the most accomplished genealogists of their time, and I have found it to be generally trustworthy. Nevertheless, some of the conclusions drawn by them from interpreting the original records are such that I have had to question them, in that I interpret the same records in a different way.

In this particular case, I lean toward the existence of the two Lydias.

>I am related to Jesse Whitney and Mary Sawyer. I have material on many of the >maternal side down to Jesse, and beyond, e. g. John Ford, the above Sarah's >father. > >Question: Is the maternal side of interest to anyone? Is it included in a >submitted GEDCOM?

Obvious, flippant answer: Yes, it is of interest to any descendants. I think I might include it in a submitted GEDCOM, especially ancestors of those who married WHITNEY descendants in the early generations. I probably would also include the parents of any WHITNEY descendant's spouse, just for identification purposes.

>Some of Jesse Whitney descendants achieved quite abit, although with a >surname other than Whitney. For example, a man, Elbridge Dyer, whose company >helped introduce steam engines into agriculture in the mid19th century. He >must have adapted some of Eli Whitney's approach, because he established >assembly lines making interchangable parts. His equipment won the "highest >premium" at the London World's Fair. His firm, in Ohio, also had the first >steam agriculture equipment in California. Then there is a female MD, Abigail >Allen, circa 1900. And the world's best test pilot and a major player in >aeronautical research. This person, Edmund Allen, won the prestigious >Gugenheim award, as noted in the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum. > >Question: What criteria exists to be a "famous Whitney?"

Right now we have no such criteria. Since there are probably 20,000,000 living descendants of John, Henry, or Joshua WHITNEY, the three main immigrant families, probably one out of every 14 famous Americans is a descendant in the female line of one of them. We can't include them all. What would you suggest for criteria? I certainly would include anyone who bore the WHITNEY surname, for starters.

>I am slowly adding references and notes to the material I have, but the >material is interesting even without the documentation. I gathered most of >the material on trips to DC working in the Library of Congress and National >Archives after 5:30pm, or in the DAR Library in time between meetings. Other >material has come from the Sutro Library in San Francisco or the Oakland >Family History Center. Because I did not know when my trips would stop to >Washington, I was in a gathering mode, and am now slowly assimulating it.

That is how I have worked over the years. Usually the gathering phase was far ahead of the assimilating phase! The places you mention are excellent ones for genealogical research, in my experience. My main research locations also include LC, NARA, and DAR, as well as the Kensington (MD) FHC.

>Thanks, > >Joe Keller, [email protected]

I hope this has helped.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 13:26:52 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: GEDCOMs of PAF users To: BlindCopyReceiver:;

Randy Winch wrote:

>>I've placed two zipped gedcom files on my ftp site.

ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/~gumby/witpaf.zip for PAF version 3.0 (should work, if not try below) ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/~gumby/witpaf4.zip for PAF versions before 3.0 (includes notes)

Hope that this helps. Let me know if they work or not.<<

I tried both files --- both gave me the same error messages I've been getting before!

-) Jeanne

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 13:26:54 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Another Whitney Book To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Hello all! While browsing CompuServe's genealogy information files, I found the review of a book available which can be ordered. Can anyone identify the Whitney's referenced here? ;-) Jeanne

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THE STORY OF "AUNT NANCY"--NANCY WHITNEY FRENCH (1825-1927); A PIONEER FROM NEW YORK STATE TO ILLINOIS IN 1837, edited & indexed by Gary E. Swinson, 1987, vi + 42 pp., 8 1/2 x 11". $6.00 + $1.50 postage; CA residents add 6% sales tax. Order from the author at 20705 Wood Ave., Torrance, CA 90503.

       "Aunt" Nancy was the daughter of Joseph Whitney, a native of

Massachusetts, and Sophronia Taylor, from New Hampshire. She was their second child and first daughter. The Whitney family settled in Java Village, New York, (Wyoming Co.) where Nancy was born in 1825.

       This book is the story of Nancy's life, written in her own

words after she attained the great age of 100 years, at which time she was living in Thomson, Illinois (Carroll Co.). The manuscript provides insight into the day to day lives of persons in 19th century New York and Illinois--their work, family and social lives. Illustrations pertaining to the text have been added.

       Mr. Swinson has added footnotes throughout explaining terms

not familiar to today's readers and adding genealogical data to supplement "Aunt" Nancy's story. On 15 Feb. 1862 Nancy married Joseph French in York Township, Carroll County, Illinois. They had a daughter, Louise, born in 1863 and two sons who did not survive childhood.

       Allied families that the editor has provided details of

genealogy include Chase, Eddy, French, Rupple, Taylor, Whitney and more. There is a name and place index.

       When ordering books, tell the author you found it on

CompuServe's genealogy forum. If you have questions about this book, contact Martha Reamy, 71271,2042.

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 17:20:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Alan C. Wright, Prof. of Chemistry" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: Whitney12.ged

To All WRG:

I have just finished importing the Whitney12.ged into my program. Got all 8467 individuals and 2939 marriages without a problem, except the following:

"This gedcom file was created as gedcom version 5 format.

Brother's Keeper [my software] will NOT import the NOTE lines unless the file is gedcom version 4 instead."

I went ahead anyway and it looks OK so perhaps this explains other's problems: apparently there are different VERSIONS of gedcom which some software has trouble reading and importing completely.

Alan

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:42:24 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: wittest.zip To: "Roger, Carolyn or Randy Winch" <[email protected]>,

       1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

>>wittest.zip<< ;-( This didn't work either. Allan thinks we need to contact Salt Lake City.

Has anybody who uses PAF 2.31 imported it okay? I've gotten numerous gedcoms from people & never had a problem like this before. If I could get someone who has it in PAF 2.31 to make me a new gedcom & send it to me, I could try that instead.

Jeanne

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:10:11 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: 8467 individuals

Hello Christopher;

Your theory intrigues me, please send more specific information, the files that I sent to Allan were from 3 individual GEDCOM generations and I'd be happy to see a conclusion to this problem.

Keep in touch

Jon Aston

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:49:24 -0700 Subject: Silas Whitney To: [email protected]

Hi

I need Help have been looking for this Silas Whitney for almost 10 years and have yet to find any more about him than what is below.

I have been watching all of the Whitney names but have yet to see any from ARK, LA, Does anyone know of a Silas Whitney born possibly Drew Co. ARK. fought in the Civil War and married a MARY ANN ELIZABETH CASAN OLVAZINA JOHNSON!!!!!! Yes that was her name. That is all I know about her. Silas died Jan 1897 in Greenville Hunt Co. TX. Have never found him on a census Daughter Caldonia born 1875 in ARK and one of sons James Eliphilet "Fay" born 1880 TX.

Can bring some of his other childre a little forward at least their date of birth and who married.

[email protected] Bodfish, Ca.

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:13:17 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 8467 individuals

Dear Jon:

Lord knows, I'm sure you would (like to see an end to all this). I'm glad you took Christopher's comment with a wry smile - it sure would have been understandable if you threw up your hands in disgust (not at him - at the seemingly never-ending difficulties). I am going to take this up with the PAF people in Salt Lake City when I can get a chance during the work day to call them -- probably Tuesday afternoon.

There has to be an explanation somewhere - we just have not found it yet.
Has anyone but PAF users had a problem?  I'm not sure, but it seems like

most of the people with problems have mentioned that they were PAF users.

In the meantime - keep in touch <g>

Allan

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:00:46 -0400 From: Earl Woodford <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: WHITNEY, Silas

At last! Another Southern Whitney! I'm getting discouraged reading all the mail about the Whitneys in New England. Could Silas have roots in South Carolina, Jody? My Lovet P. Whitney was born in SC ca 1808, but was in Butler Co., KY when he married in 1828 as were his brother Simon and his mother Sarah. Surely there are other descendants of Sc Whitneys (possibly Spartensburg Co) who are researching their roots. Two years ago, I sent queries with SASEs to over 80 people with the surname Whitney living in SC. Not one single response. I'm stuck because I don't know who Lovet's father was. Any suggestions? I know people in this group are eager to help each other because I've been reading all the helpful letters. I'm beginning to feel desperate!!

 Penny   [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:31:58 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 8467 individuals

In a message dated 97-09-15 06:55:55 EDT, you write:

<< Has anyone but PAF users had a problem? I'm not sure, but it seems like

most of the people with problems have mentioned that they were PAF users. >>

I lost some of the thread here, but if I understand correctly some of the problem is the sources and notes. I use Family Tree Maker and although notes are indicated for people, none of these transferred over in Witney12. If Jon does in fact use FTM as well, then that seems very odd.

Since Jon does such an in incredible job of keeping all of this together and then shares it with us, I was not about to complain. Figure I can always contact the WRG person in the file and ask. At least we have that advantage.

Jo Hogle [email protected]

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:35:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Michael Poston" <[email protected]>

To: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> cc: "Roger, Carolyn or Randy Winch" <[email protected]>,

       1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: wittest.zip

After several tries, I was able to download witney12.exe, have it expand itself, and load it into PAF 2.31. Some of the first attempts stuck at the midpoint somewhere. But, eventually I was able to get a working copy. The notes, however, are scrambled. This is normal, in my experience, for importation of gedcom files created in something other than PAF 2.31. I tried downloading the files that were posted as being compatible with PAF, only to have the program choke on them when trying to import the material into a PAF dataset. I couldn't tell that I did anything different on the one attempt that was successful.

Mike Poston Rockville, MD

On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, Jeanne Muse wrote:

> >>wittest.zip<< ;-( This didn't work either. Allan thinks we need to > contact Salt Lake City. > > Has anybody who uses PAF 2.31 imported it okay? I've gotten numerous > gedcoms from people & never had a problem like this before. If I could get > someone who has it in PAF 2.31 to make me a new gedcom & send it to me, I > could try that instead. > > Jeanne >

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:36:57 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 8467 individuals

Allan:

 I was able to import Whitney into my Paf after I opened it with Word-an

older program I keep for other things. When I tried to open with Claris it too stopped in midstream . "Word" did not take as long to open. I am not too computer literate-but I thought there was not enough memory to open. My Claris has so many new and fascinating uses and uses more memory . "Word" 4, is more like a very large simple text. >From there-I went to the Paf program and imported it into a new file. Following is what appears on the notes (back of notebook)

>>(Line 71 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long:

BIRT PLAC Isleworth, Middlesex, England/or Westminster, Eng.

Line 74 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long:

DEAT PLAC Watertown, Middlesex Co. Massachusetts)<<

 Is this what the rest of you got?  Similar messages are on all sources.

Barbara in Sacramento I have a Mac Performa and a Mac Paf 2.3.l

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:36:57 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 8467 individuals

Allan:

 I was able to import Whitney into my Paf after I opened it with Word-an

older program I keep for other things. When I tried to open with Claris it too stopped in midstream . "Word" did not take as long to open. I am not too computer literate-but I thought there was not enough memory to open. My Claris has so many new and fascinating uses and uses more memory . "Word" 4, is more like a very large simple text. >From there-I went to the Paf program and imported it into a new file. Following is what appears on the notes (back of notebook)

>>(Line 71 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long:

BIRT PLAC Isleworth, Middlesex, England/or Westminster, Eng.

Line 74 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long:

DEAT PLAC Watertown, Middlesex Co. Massachusetts)<<

 Is this what the rest of you got?  Similar messages are on all sources.

Barbara in Sacramento I have a Mac Performa and a Mac Paf 2.3.l

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:48:10 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 8467 individuals

Dear Jo:

I'm answering to the list because I think one or two others would share your interest in this question. I gather from your remark that you (and maybe some others) have gotten all the people and the links but missed getting some of the notes. What has happened to me and I think to other users of PAF3.0 is that we get a little past half way through the conversion process and run into an error condition that stops the process right in its tracks - and leaves everything in the GEDCOM after that point inaccessible. This is the matter I hope to get to discuss with the people in Salt Lake City who support PAF sometime tomorrow afternoon, if my current plans for the day work out with interference. We'll see what they say about it and then I'll report back. It may take a while as I might have to send them the file that we are having trouble with for their inspection. If they can take it as an attachment over the Internet, it shouldn't take too long. If I have to download it and send it snailmail on disks, it will take quite a bit longer.

In the meantime, lets just get on with other matters and come back to this problem when we have some more answers.

Allan GENEALOGICAL TRUTH FOR TODAY: The person sitting next to you in the research center is finding ancestors every five minutes - and telling you all about it!

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:37:58 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janice Whitaker) Subject: Benjamin Whitney I & II

Dear WRG's, While doing research yesterday I came across a History of Bridgton, Maine. Unfortunately, it did not include thorough VR's, but does have a lengthy passage about Benjamin Whitney I and son #II. some dates and childrens names. If there is anyone out there who would like a snail-mailed copy, please send SASE to me and I will copy and mail. Senior was married to Annie Bangs of Buxton, junior was the seventh of ten and married Susan Bennett of Freedom, NH. I will send copy of the basic info by e-mail through Allan. Cheers, Jan PS No, I didn't change my name, I always was Janice- my server messed it up!--Send to Janice G. Whitaker, 44 Newport Drive, Westford, MA 01886.

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:38:04 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janice Whitaker) Subject: Benjamin Whitneys, Bridgton, Me Cc: [email protected]

Dear Allan,

   I found this in "History of Bridgton, Maine" published in 1974 by the

Bridgton Historical Society:

Benjamin Whitney I(1785-1874), married in 1806, Annie Bangs(1786-1870) of Buxton. Settled in the north part of Bridgton, near the Sweden line. They raised 10 children(all names not listed) The fourth, Mehitable married James Stevens. The seventh, Benjamin II (1820-1892) married Susan Bennett of Freedom, NH who came to teach in the District #8 school (Called "The Whitney District"). They had 4 daughters and one son. Austin m. Clara Ingalls. Youngest child, Susan m. Carroll Hilton. Old maps show a Whitney Family burying ground and the graves where later removed to the Hazen Cemetery. Very interesting story! Jan

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:13:11 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Updates to CT Whitneys - Part 2 To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

More descendants of Henry Whitney of Connecticut.

As before, my notations are shown in [] brackets.

These found in the "Descendants of Rev. Thomas Hanford" Volume One Six Generations, Compiled by Augustus C. Golding, 1936, Norwalk, Connecticut

p101 Hannah Whitney 6 (799) [She is: HANNAH-6 WHITNEY (Josiah-5, Henry-4, Josiah-3, John-2, Henry-1)] m. Aug. 10, 1805 at Derby, Conn. Abram Remer [we had Romer], b. at Carlisle, Penn., June 7, 1783. Children [Surname: REMER] Josiah Lewis; b. July 22, 1806 at Derby, Conn; d. 1815 Lucelia Ann; b. Sept. 21, 1808 at Derby Conn.; m. Frederick W. Parrott, 1827 Lewis Josiah; b. Mar. 23, 1810 in N.Y.; d. 1810 Henrietta Alar; b. Dec. 20, 2811 in N.Y.; m. Beach Downs Rebecca; b. Sept. 20, 1813 in N.Y.; d. 1829 Jennett; b. June 11, 1815 at Derby, Conn. Stephen Henry; b. Apr. 2, 1817 Susan Whitney; b. Apr. 8, 1819; d. 1819 William Josiah; b. May 11, 1820 Samuel Whitney; b. Feb 16, 1822 Sarah Adeline; b. Feb 5, 1824 Abram Lysander; b. Feb. 28, 1826 Julia Ann; b. Oct. 20, 1828

This is all from this source.

-) Jeanne 9/16/97

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:13:15 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Westminster Whitneys To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

THANK YOU Sandy Fahrn (?) who offered to look up Whitneys in the book she purchased "Homestead Heritage of Westminster". I asked her to look up a few Whitneys and am copying her response below.

Sandy, I do not need copies, but maybe someone else would like them.

I can identify 3 of the Whitney men she referenced, and have put their line in [] brackets. Can anyone identify the others? ;-) Jeanne 9/16/97

Here is what Sandy wrote to me on 9/14/97:

[I cannot identify this BENJAMIN WHITNEY]

       There is mention of a Benjamin Whitney who came from Lunenburg

about 1836 and lived at 11 Bacon Street.(Map #32) He was a wheelwright.

       The lot of 13 Bacon Street (Map # 34) was sold by Benjamin Whitney

to Alfred and Elvira Merriam in Dec, 1849. In 1865, a Stillman Whitney bought the place and for the next 73 yrs. It was known as the "Whitney place."

[The following is: ABNER-6 WHITNEY (Samuel-5, William-4, Nathaniel-3, John-2, John-1)]

       Concerning Abner Whitney: He, the second son of Samuel Whitney, had

a house on the site of 103 Town Farm Rd. The house was used by the town as a Poor Farm or Almshouse from 1874 to 1891. There appears to be a paupers' cemetery a short distance from the house. The old Whitney house burned in 1919.

       353 S. Ashburnham Rd. (Map # 226) was known as the Abner Whitney

homestead when Joseph Benson Barrell acquired it after 1855, and Whitney moved to Ashburnham. The fathers of both Barrell and Whitney lived in this area and helped establish the Methodist Church in Westminster.

[The following is: JOHN-8 WHITNEY (Joseph Glazier-7, Abner-6, Samuel-5, William-4, Nathaniel-3, John-2, John-1)]

       Concerning John Whitney: page 220 is titled "The Industrial Site at

Whitmanville or Scragg or Scrabble Hollow." Records show that about 1820, "John Whitney 2nd" had remodeled the old Whitman sawmill and fitted it up with the necessary machinery to run his chair factory. Aaron and Pearson Cowee succeeded Whitney on this site.

       Page 216 states, "The Puffers owned a sawmill on the Whitman river

a few rods across the street which later became a chair factory operated by C.G. Griffin. They sold the factory finally to Wilbur Whitney who moved it to South Ashburnham. Whitney is listed in Ashburnham's records as one of the ‘largest and most successful manufacturers.' He always remained interested in his native town and provided the funds for the publication of the 150th Anniversary book that is available at the library. The home of John Whitney, father of Wilbur, was across the street from the Puffer house (223 So. Ashburnham Rd. Map # 220) and was burned about 1850. At that time, the family moved to Ashburnham. Perhaps John Whitney was the original owner of the sawmill."

[The following is the NATHAN-5 WHITNEY (David-4, Benjamin-3, John-2, John-1)]

       Concerning Nathan Whitney: 260 Davis Rd (Map # 132) is one of the

oldest buildings in Westminster and is occupied (at least in 1980) by direct descendants of Nathan Whitney. "Several yrs., before the Revolution , Nathan Whitney was made a captain of a unit of the local militia by King George III and drilled his men on the lawn in front of this house. He also served as a tax collector under the king. Before the War, he gave up his commission from King George and remained loyal to the colonies. During the War, captured Hessian officers and their orderlies were quartered in this house. The captives were helpful on the farm and assisted in planting as apple orchard on the estate. When one of the Whitney sons was very ill, the Hessian physician was summoned from Rutland and is credited with saving the son's life. Another of the Hessian officers made charcoal sketches of Mr. and Mrs. Whitney and copies of the sketches hang in the Historical Museum."

       98 Lanes Rd (Map # 133) was built by Nathan Whitney, owner of

Whitney Homestead, for his youngest son, John. John Whitney, Jr. and his wife were interested in the education of their children and maintained a private school in their house. They built a bowling alley in a small house on their property but used it for prayer meeting when the Baptists declared bowling to be a sin. 3 of the family dies during the typhoid fever epidemic in 1843-44. This property is still lived in by direct descendants. It is known as Ledge Farm.

[I cannot identify this JOSEPH WHITNEY]

       Joseph Whitney : 4 Pleasant St (Map # 21)built by Joseph c. 1840.

In 1855, Frances Whitney, his son, occupied the house. Frances later moved to Leominster and established the Whitney Carriage Co.

       11 Pleasant St (Map # 24) Joseph was the original owner of the

homestead (c. 1839). He was a carpenter and had a fine reputation as a leading contractor and builder. He built several homes and meeting houses in Westminster and neighboring towns. In 1856, the house was purchase by John Heywood, father of William Heywood, author of the 1893 History of Westminster.

       134 Main St (Map # 86) "Original Owner; Joseph Whitney, Builder" c.

1823. It says that for many yrs., the house was owned by 2 families. The deed at the Court House divides the house through the center providing joint use of the front hall and the cellar, specifying which part of the barn was for whom. (It doesn't say the names of the 2 families.)

       3 Wyman Rd. (Map 169A) before 1836. In 1835, Jonas Whitney, his

brother Joseph, and several other businessmen bought it.

       That's it. If you'd like photocopies of the homes, I'd be glad to

do that. I'd need your snail mail address since I don't know how to scan something into the Internet. I wish the book mentioned the wives of these men but it rarely happened.

Take Care, Sandy

       PS My line is (Phinehas-6, Samuel-5, William-4, Nathaniel-3,

John-2, John-1). Howdy Cousin.

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:13:18 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Updates to Henry of Connecticut To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

MORE DESCENDANTS FOUND for Henry Whitney of Long Island and Connecticut database!

These give us children with surnames other than Whitney. My notes are in square brackets [].

This info from "Hall's Norwalk Records" 1973 [covers records of Norwalk, Fairfield County, Connecticut]

p246 Phinehas St. John married to Esther Whitney, Oct. 27, 1773. [She is: Esther-5 (David-4, Joseph-3, John-2, Henry-1] [Children - Surname ST. JOHN]

       Esther, born Nov. 2, 1774
       Betty, born Dec. 23, 1776
       Phinehas, born Nov. 30, 1778
       Nathan, born May 5, 1781
       Esther, born Sept. 21, 1783

P247 Hanford Fairweather [Fayerweather] married to Mary Whitney, March 26, 1775. [She is: Mary-5 (Joseph-4, Joseph-3, John-2, Henry-1)] [Children - Surname FAIRWEATHER]

       Anna, born Aug. 22, 1775
       Jedidiah, born Feb. 1, 1779
       James, born Mar. 29, 1781
       Thos. Cort, born May 17, 1783
       Thomas, born Feb. 10, 1786
       Maria, born Sept. 10, 1788
       Betsey, born Sept. 27, 1792

p259 John Reed married to Abby [Abigail] Whitney, Jul 6, 1775. [She is: Abigail-5 (David-4, Joseph-3, John-2, Henry-1] [Children - Surname REED]

       John, born Jan. 8, 1776 -- died Nov. 1777
       John, born Nov. 1, 1778
       Moses, born Dec 14, 1787
       Roswell, born June 8, 1795

p303 Samuel Seymour and Anna Whitney married Feb. 7, 1774. [She is Anna-5 (David-4, Joseph-3, John-2, Henry-1] [Children - Surname SEYMOUR]

       Lewis, born Apr 10, 1756 [must be 1775!]
       Thaddeus, born June 4, 1776
       Polly, born Feb. 11, 1778
       Betty, born Mar. 20, 1780
       Samuel, born July 1, 1784
       Sophia, born Feb. 25, 1790
       Andrew, born May 27, 1792
       Hannah, born Sept. 20, 1794
       Elizabeth, born Aug. 19, 1797
       Emma L., born April 14, 1801

Isaac Keeler and Deborah Whitney married Sept. 17, 1781. [She is Deborah-5 (David-4, Joseph-3, John-2, Henry-1] [Children - Surname KEELER]

       William, born Oct. 27, 1782
       David, born Aug. 9, 1786
       Delaney, born Oct. 2, 1788
       Harriet, born June 25, 1792
       Edwin, born Sept. 22, 1795
       James, born Dec. 24, 1799
       James, born July 17, 1801

Henry Fitch and Abby Whitney married July 19, 1796. [She is Abby-6 (Ebenezer-5, David-4, Joseph-3, John-2, Henry-1] [Children - Surname FITCH]

       Rebecca, born March 1, 1798
       Daniel, born April 2, 1799
       Angeline, born mar. 14, 1801
       Edwin, born Nov. 1, 1802
       Fanny, born Aug. 6, 1806
       Catherine, born Jan. 25, 1812

There is one Whitney person I cannot connect, but will attempt to find information. Anyone with the "Phoenix" book might find this person listed?

p237 & p261

Benjamin WHITNEY married to Lois Kellogg, Jan. 3, 1757 [Children - Surname WHITNEY]

       Hannah, born June 4, 1757
       Martha, born Mar. 5, 1759
       Saml Kellogg, born Feb. 2, 1761
       Henry, born May 26, 1763
       Anna, born July 29, 1765
       Polly, born May 1, 1769
       Benjamin, born Mar. 4, 1771

That's all from this source.

-) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse

Sent on: 9/16/97

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Always looking for information on the surnames: WHITNEY, GOLDSMITH, MUSE, REED

See my Roots Home Page at this URL: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jwmuse/roots.htm

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:08:10 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: PAF consultation

Dear WRG:

I talked with the technical support people at Salt Lake City yesterday afternoon, with what I would call mixed results. The young man suggested a couple of things that might be causing the problem; 1) PAF wants to import gedcoms using something called the ANSEL character set (rather than ASCII, I guess), and he also suggested that Jon should "abbreviate the tags" - again, whatever that means - it doesn't seem to be one of the options I remember finding when I used PAF to create a gedcom, but then it may just automatically do that and not give me a choice.

Jon has not yet had timeto get back to me about these two items (there may be a note from him that comes in when I go on-line to send this off). One question has occurred to me. Is there anyone in the group that uses PAF3.0 who has successfully converted the Witney12 gedcom? If so, could you create another from that file and send it to me, and I'll be responsible for answering any other requests for it.

Congratulations to Jeanne for her new additions to the Henry/CT descent - I added them to my Henry database last night, and congratulations also to Jan Whitaker for the new material from Maine. Has anyone figured out who her Benjamins I & II were descended from? (From whom they are descended? - shame on me for ending a sentence with a preposition!!)

It looks like there will be some news on the "do we have a listowner?" front in a couple more days. In the meantime,

Happy Hunting:-)

GENEALOGICAL TRUTH FOR TODAY: Your ancestors only knew three first names and used them over and over in every collateral line.

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:18:20 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Ashburnham

Captain Lemuel Whitney (Josiah-5,Richard-4,Richard-3,Richard-2,John-1) born Sept. 19,1784 in Harvard also lived in Ashburnham. He was a captain in the miltia and an officer for 6 years. He was my grea-great-great grandfather. I believe my Grandfather,Nelson Whitney was also born in Ashburnham.

                                Patty Whitney Dowst

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:48:25 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Benjamin Whitney I & II

Hi neighbor! Isn't it a small world. I have been reading your series of messages to the WRG for a long time, and we recently exchanged items re: Whitney, NB. Seems that we're both interested enough in tracing the NB Whitney roots to have visited the Provincial Archives, etc.

I live at 5 Ingalls Road, Tyngsboro near the Westford line and Wymans Beach. This summer our family visited Kent County, and we were thrilled to actually find the grave of my ancestor Ebenezer and wife Debora Sullivan about whom you posted a recent message. Have enjoyed your contributions to the puzzle. Craig Whitney

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From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:28:48 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Harriet WHITNEY, Cincinnati, 1842

Looking for the parents, children, and siblings of Harriet WHITNEY who married Peter CARNES in Cincinnati in 1842. Marriage is included in Hamilton Co. Marriages. She apparently is the Harriet Carnes listed in the 1860 census as Peter's wife.

Thank you for your help. Jennifer Clark [email protected]

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From: Lynda McPhee <[email protected]> To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>,

       "[email protected]"
  <[email protected]>

Subject: RE: Elizabeth and Anne Passenger List. Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:03:32 -0400

Allan,

Not sure if this is what you're looking for...

Lynda [email protected]

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From: Jeff Linscott[SMTP:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 1997 8:51 AM To: New England genealogy list Subject: Elizabeth & Anne Passengers of 1635

Hi all Northeast Rooters,

I am posting this on the list just in case anyone else is interested in this passenger list that Lonnie wanted. Hope you don't mind. (It looks better when it is opened to full screen).

Jeff Linscott (So. China, Maine)

Hi Lonnie,

Here is your list:

from "Planters of the Commonwealth, A Study of the Emigrants and Emigration in Colonial Times: to which are added Lists of Passengers to Boston and to the Bay Colony; the Ships which brought them; their English Homes, and the Places of the Settlement in Massachusetts 1620-1640", by Charles Edward Banks, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1984 (original 1930):

1635 [Pages 154-157]

Elizabeth And Anne, Roger Cooper, Master. She sailed about the middle of May and arrived at Boston in Midsummer, with one hundred and two passengers [Public Record Office MSS., and Drake: Founders, 20, 22, 24, 27, 28, 29, 30].

Mrs. Marjorie Washburn 49 of Evesham, county Worcester to Plymouth

  John Washburn            14
  Phillip Washburn         11

Robert Hawkins 25 husbandman Charlestown

  Mrs. Mary Hawkins        24

John Whitney 35 Watertown

  Mrs. Ellen Whitney       30
  John Whitney             11
  Richard Whitney           9
  Nathaniel Whitney         8
  Thomas Whitney            6
  Jonathan Whitney          1

  John Palmerley           20
  Richard Martin           12

  Abigail Eaton

35 Watertown

  Mary Eaton                4
  Thomas Eaton              1

William Hubbard 35 Salem

  Thomas Hubbard           10
  Nicholas Sension         13

Henry Jackson 29 Watertown

John Jackson 27

  Sarah Cartrack           24
  Mildred Cartrack          2
  Jane Dammand              9
  Mary Broomer             10
  Thomas Alsopp            20
  Joseph Alsopp            14
  Percy King               24       maidservant

Thomas Hodsall 47

Alexander Baker 28 Gloucester

  Mrs. Elizabeth Baker     23
  Elizabeth Baker           3
  Christian Baker           1

Samuel Baker 30

Clement Chaplin 48 of Thetford, county Norfolk Cambridge

William Swayne 50 Watertown

Richard Brock 31 Carpenter Edward Sale 24

  Daniel Preston           13
  Richard Goard            17

Thomas Lord 50 smith, of Towcester, Northants Hartford

  Mrs. Dorothy Lord        46
  Thomas Lord              16
  Anne Lord                14
  William Lord             12
  John Lord                10
  Robert Lord               9
  Amy Lord                  6
  Dorothy Lord              4

James Cobbett 23

Josias Cobbett 21

Joseph Faber 26

  William Samond           19

John Holloway 21

  Jane Bennett             16

William Reeve 22

Christopher Stanley 32 tailor, perhaps of London Boston

  Mrs. Susanna Stanley     31

Henry Wilkinson 25 tallow chandler Ipswich

  Robert Haws              19      soap

boiler Roxbury

Samuel Hull 25

  William Swynden          20

John Halsey 24

Vincent Potter 21 Boston

  William Adams            15

Henry Curtis 27 Watertown

John Wylie 25 Reading

John Thompson 22

Edmond Weston 30 Duxbury

  Gamaliel Beamont

12 Dorchester

Thomas Whitten 36 of Benenden, county Kent Plymouth

  Mrs. Audrey Whitten      45
  Jeremy Whitten            8
  Nicholas Morecock        14
  Bennet Morecock          16
  Mary Morecock            10

George Orris 21 Boston

  Elizabeth Fabin          16        (see Faber, above)

Robert Jeffries 30 Charlestown

  Mary Jeffries            27
  Thomas Jeffries           7
  Elizabeth Jeffries        6
  Mary Jeffries             3
  Hannah Day               20
  Susan Brown              21

Robert Carr 21 tailor

  Caleb Carr               11

Richard White 30 carpenter Sudbury

Thomas Dane 32 carpenter Concord

William Hilliard 21 carpenter Duxbury

William Courser 26 shoemaker Boston

George Wylde 37 husbandman

George Parker 23 carpenter perhaps York, Maine

John Borden 28 of Benenden, county Kent Watertown

  Joan Borden              23
  Matthew Borden            5
  Elizabeth Borden          3

Richard Sampson 28 tailor

Robert Standy 22

  John Oldham              12     'near kinsman' of John

Oldham Watertown

  Thomas Oldham            10

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From: [email protected][SMTP:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 9:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Elizabeth and Anne Passenger List.

Hi WRG:

Some time back someone posted the complete passenger list of the "Elizabeth and Anne" - and I thought I had kept it. A query about the Baker passengers on "our" ship came through on the NE-Roots list tonight, and I thought I might try to help them, and then couldn't find my copy of the list. If anyone kept it in "electronic storage" and can get right to it without a lot of trouble, please copy it and send it to me. I'll be sure to put it in a safe place (which in this house means I won't ever be able to find it again, either).

Thanx

Allan

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From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:05:46 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Posting GEDCOM

Dear Gerald:

Send it as an attachment to Jon Aston at <[email protected]> - that is, assuming it connects to the John and Elinor line of descent from Watertown, MA in 1635. If you are connecting to the line down from Henry Whitney of Southolds, L.I. and Norwalk, CT, then it should be sent to Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> She is also the one who is collecting the "as yet unconnected" Whitneys. I don't know who is doing any of this for the 3 - 5 people in the Southern group that are descended from the Whitneys who went first to Bermuda and then came to VA & NC in the mid 1700's. The reason that I have so little information is that they have not "published" as much as the other lines of descent from an immigrant ancestor.

Looking forward to your contribution.

Allan E. Green

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To: "Whitney List" <[email protected]> From: "Gerald Eberwein" <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 21:08:58 PDT Subject: Unidentified subject!

Dear Whitneys,

Here is a copy of a e-mail I sent to Jon along with a GEDCOM from a line that seems to always stop short. Although it is considered impolite to post private e-mail to a list this was the only way I could share this with the group and not include the GEDCOM file attached. I apologize to Jon and beg his understanding.

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Dear Jon, Here is a Gedcom for your Whitney Data Base.

I descend from Benjamin 2 (John 1) and ------------------------------------------------ Jane

    and Mary Poor                                                                                Johnathan Whitney 3 and

Susnnah

        Mark Whitney 3 and Tabitha Mellen                                Johnathan Whitney 4 and Lydia

Jones

            Esther Whithey4 and James Watkins Sr              Susannah Whitney5 and Isaac Tenney
                Esther Watkins and Ruben Slayton          Elizabeth Tenney and Jabez J Metcalf
                       Chancey Slayton --------- and --------- Lucretia Metcalf
                                     Vesta Slayton and Geotge Mack
                                           Sarah Mack and Schuyler Burgess
                                               Orson Burgess and Elizabeth O'Bolger
                                                     Hazel Burgess and Albert Eberwein
                                                           Gerald Eberwein

I didn't put the dates and things in this because they are all in the GEDCOM and it would take too much room here. The Watkins and Tenney families left New England and went to New York where they were among the pioneer families of Ontario County.

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Most all of the people on this file are also in the Ancestral File If any member of the list wants any other data I'll be glad to supply it.

[email protected] Gerald Eberwein

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:30:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "John E. Fischer" <[email protected]> To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Nora WHITNEY info needed

Do you have any information on my grandmother Lanora J WHITNEY probably b 18 Apr 1877 d 17 Jul 1904? Lanora, also known as Nora, was probably the daughter of Byron L WHITNEY b 5 Jul 1848. Lanora married C H ROBINSON about 1894 probably either in Chicago or Bloomington IL and lived in Bloomington IL. We believe she had a sister Ida STEVENS - but do not know whether STEVENS was her maiden or married name.

I will share any information I have.

Please E-mail information you may have to: [email protected]

Happy Hunting

John E Fischer Cincinnati OH

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:08:37 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: Gerald Eberwein's Whitney Connection To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Hello All!

Congratulations to Gerald, who posted his line last night -- another one of the fortunate people to be CONNECTED to an immigrant Whitney! Many of us (including me) are envious of your success!

Thanks for posting it Gerald. It gives us hope .. plus more surnames to help us!

Robert Ward may want to add your lineage to his web site.

-) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:34:26 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Whitney Item in NORTHEAST-ROOTS-L: Hoppin - RI

>Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:41:58 EDT >Reply-To: Alison Gene Franks <[email protected]> >From: Alison Gene Franks <[email protected]> >Subject: [NORTHEAST] Hoppin - RI >To: [email protected] > >Hi Rooters: > >I am looking for descendants of Benjamin Hoppin who married 1) Anna 5 >Rawson, and m2) Mrs. Mary Whitney. > >This family was in RI and in NY >Thank you >Alison Franks >Archivist, Rawson Family Association

Anyone able to identify Mrs. Mary WHITNEY?

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: My line according to F. C. Pierce Date: Sat, 20 Sep 97 22:17:39 GMT Cc: [email protected]

Allan, According to Pierce in his book, "Whitney, the Descendants of John Whitney" Timothy was the son of John Whitney, #11 in his book and was listed as #73. Timothy was born April 16, 1678 and married Margaret Bacon June 12, 1706. He was born in Roxbury, then moved to Newton and then to Warwick, Mass. His death date was not known. Children of Timothy Whitney and Margaret Bacon

1. 258 Sarah b. Feb. 28, 1707 m. William Pierce on Apr. 18, 1729.
2. 259 Caleb b. Apr. 2, 1711 m. Hannah Cheney
3. 260 Moses b. June 20, 1714 b. Rebecca Hyde
4. 261 Joseph(5) b. Feb. 21, 1716 b. Mary Hastings
5. 262 Timothy b. Apr. 20, 1720; d. young.
6. 263 Timothy b. Apr. 30, 1721

(These two Timothy's make me think that they were the same person because of the nearness of the birthdates but it is very possible that they could have been brothers.

1. 261 Corp. Joseph Whitney (Timothy, John, John, John) b. Watertown, Mass.

Feb. 21, 1716 m. Mary Hastings; m. 2'nd Mrs. Anna (Palmer)? d. at Lima, N.Y.

   In the history of Gilsum, N. H. "Joseph Whitney was a corporal in the 7th

company in Colonel Samuel Ashley's regiment from Gilsum, N. H. in 1776. Later he moved toWarwick (Orange) Mass. and still later to Lima, N.Y. where he passed the remainder of his days where he was killed by the falling of a tree. He d. at Lima, N. Y. res. Newton, Mass; Gilsum, N.H.; Orange, Mass. and Lima, N. Y. (In one place it says he was born in Watertown and the bottom it says that he was born in Newton.E.R.) Children of Joseph Whitney

1. 716 Abigail b. Dec. 18, 1749
2. 717 Martha b. May 31, 1752
3. 718 Ann b. Feb. 10, 1755
4. 719 Samuel b. Aug. 7, 1758 m. Mary Whitney
5. 720 Lois b. Sept. 5, 1761
6. 721 Mary b.? m. Guerney
7. 722 Content b.? m. Fuller
8. 723 Palmer b. Oct. 6, 1777 d. Warwick Mass. Feb. 1, 1778
9. 724 Palmer (6) b. Mar. 5, 1778 m. Judith Barber (There is not enough time to

have these two children between Oct. 6, 1777 and March 5, 1778. E. R.)

1. 725 Edward b.?
2. 726 Abigail b. Jan. 20, 1781 m. Samuel Mark
3. 727 Lemuel b. Aug. 15, 1784 m. Sally Pratt

Palmer Whitney (Joseph, Timothy, John, John, John). b. Warwick, Orange, Mass. b. Mar. 5, 1778 m. Warwick, Mass. int. Apr. 14; m. May 10, 1798, Judath Barber b. Sept. 10, 1777 d. Nov. 2, 1852.

   Palmer Whitney was born in Warwick, Mass. where he resided until a short

time after his marriage when he moved to Java Village, N. Y. and kept a public house for a number of years. He finally moved to Illinois and was everafter a farmer. He died in Riley, June 26, 1854. res. Orange, Mass; Java, N.Y.; and Riley, Illinois. Children of Palmer Whitney and Judath Barber

1. 1802 Joseph b. Aug. 8, 1798 m. Sophronia Taylor
2. 1803 John (7) b. Aug. 18, 1804 m. Rachel Ward and Mariah Blood
3. 1804 Mark b.? (according to his tombstone he d. Sep 24, 1892 at the age of 76y

11m 9d which makes it b. Nov. 16, 1816. E. R.) m. Caroline Ward.

1. 1805 Benjamin F. b. Oct. 19, 1818 m. Lucinda Potter
2. 1806 Lemuel P. b. Oct. 22, 1821 m. Lydia M. Van Slyke
3. 1807 Jarvis b. March 25, 1811
4. 1808 Anna b.? m. Harry Eddy: Child- Hiram b. Res. Dekalb, Ill.
5. 1809 Arseneth b. Oct. 29, 1802 m. Feb. 27, 1823 m. Samuel Woodworth
6. 1810 Mary b.? unmarried
7. 1811 Angeline b? m Harkett Fancher child- Nancy
8. 1812 Nancy b. ? m. charles Woodworth child-Emily

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[email protected]

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 22:45:05 To: [email protected], [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Orange, Mass Vital Records

At 03:59 PM 8/13/97 -0400, [email protected] wrote: >Can anyone give me any more info on the ancestry of Jabez Whitney b. ab.1769 >and >his wife Elizabeth (--------) b. ab. 1762. Living at Orange, MA. ab 1790- >1800s. > >Fern Whiteley e-mail FernElaine@ aol.com

Have you eliminated the Jabez-6 WHITNEY, bp. 20 Dec 1767, Roxbury, MA, presumably the same one who d. 20 Apr 1849, Phillipston, MA, aged 81 years? He was son of Sgt. Jacob-5 and Rachel (WHITING) WHITNEY [Jonas-4, Eleazer-3, Thomas-2, John-1].

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:50:21 -0700 From: Caradwen Braskat <[email protected]> To: Whitney Research Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! (Gerry Eberwein)

Hello Cousin! I, too, am descended from Benjamin Whitney, via his son Mark. Our lines diverge here though, as I am descended from Mark Whitney and Tabitha Mellen through their oldest child, Jason, while you are through their youngest, Esther.

It's wonderful to find another relative! The rest of my direct line to John & Elinor is in the "mighty-big-GEDCOM", but I can supply more detail if you like.

Look forward to "hearing" more from you!

Caradwen

Gerald Eberwein wrote: > > Dear Whitneys, > > Here is a copy of a e-mail I sent to Jon along with a GEDCOM from a line that seems to always stop short. > Although it is considered impolite to post private e-mail to a list this was the only way I could share this with the group and not include the GEDCOM file attached. I apologize to Jon and beg his understanding. > --------------------------------- > Dear Jon, > Here is a Gedcom for your Whitney Data Base. > > I descend from Benjamin 2 (John 1) and ------------------------------------------------ Jane > and Mary Poor Johnathan Whitney 3 and Susnnah > Mark Whitney 3 and Tabitha Mellen Johnathan Whitney 4 and Lydia Jones > Esther Whithey4 and James Watkins Sr Susannah Whitney5 and Isaac Tenney > Esther Watkins and Ruben Slayton Elizabeth Tenney and Jabez J Metcalf > Chancey Slayton --------- and --------- Lucretia Metcalf > Vesta Slayton and Geotge Mack > Sarah Mack and Schuyler Burgess > Orson Burgess and Elizabeth O'Bolger > Hazel Burgess and Albert Eberwein > Gerald Eberwein > > I didn't put the dates and things in this because they are all in the GEDCOM and it would take too much room here. > The Watkins and Tenney families left New England and went to New York where they were among the pioneer families of Ontario County. > -------------------------------- > Most all of the people on this file are also in the Ancestral File > If any member of the list wants any other data I'll be glad to supply it. > > [email protected] > Gerald Eberwein

-- 15:20, 12 June 2007 (CDT)15:20, 12 June 2007 (CDT)15:20, 12 June 2007 (CDT)15:20, 12 June 2007 (CDT)15:20, 12 June 2007 (CDT)15:20, 12 June 2007 (CDT)15:20, 12 June 2007 (CDT)15:20, 12 June 2007 (CDT)15:20, 12 June 2007 (CDT) Thou hast wounded the spirit that loved thee

 And cherished thine image for years

Thou hast taught me at last to forget thee

 In secret, and silence and tears.
     - Mrs. D. Portes

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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 00:34:43 -0400 From: Christopher Brooks <[email protected]>

To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Name Changes in New Hampshire

The following name changes -- to and from WHITNEY -- were legally recorded in New Hampshire betw 1768-1923. The source is "New Hampshire Name Changes, 1768-1923," by Richard P. Roberts, Heritage Books, Inc., Bowie, MD, 1996. Information as to the petitioner's location varies with the era. Dates are those of the legislative acts or sessions which confirmed the name changes.

These represent all WHITNEY listings in the book's index. I have no further information beyond what is transcribed below.

Christopher Brooks

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Horace WHITNEY, of Concord, to Horace EATON, 13 Jul 1855 Flora A. WHITNEY, of Northumberland (Groveton), to Gertie Alice

 APPLEBEE, 4 Jul 1868

Frances Addie CALEF, of Keene, to Frances Addie WHITNEY, 2 Jul 1870 William Leroy PHELPS, to William Leroy WHITNEY, 4 Jul 1872 Lydia K. WHITNEY, Cheshire County, to Lydia K. WOODWARD, 1875-76

 Ditto, Jun 1876 - Jun 1877  (Second filing?)

Laura E. WHITNEY, Sullivan County, to Laura E. EMERSON, Jun 1879 - Jun

 1881

Almira WHITNEY Goodhue, of Manchester, to Almira WHITNEY, Jun 1881 - Jun

 1883

Flora E. WHITNEY, of Dover, to Nellie E. NUTE, Jun 1881 - Jun 1883 Annie Bell WHITNEY, Hillsborough County, to Annie Bell MERRILL, Jun 1889 - Jan 1891 Gertrude M. WHITNEY, Hillsborough County, to Gertrude M. HOLT, Jun 1889 - Jan 1891 Minnie BROWN, Cheshire County, to Lula J. WHITNEY, Jan 1893 - Jan 1895 Emma E. WHITNEY, Hillsborough County, to Emma E. HOLT, Jan 1893 - Jan 1895 Emma W. LULL, Coos County, to Emma Anna WHITNEY, Jan 1895 - Jan 1897 Mary Edith WHITNEY, Grafton County, to Edith Mary EMERY, Jan 1899 - Jan

 1901

Mary E. WHITNEY, Rockingham County, to Mary E. EVANS, Jan 1901 - Jan

 1903

Lucy E.G. WHITNEY, Cheshire County, to Lucy E. GOODRICH, Jan 1903 - Jan

 1905

Mabel BENNETT to Mae Belle WHITNEY (adoption), Rockingham County, Jan

 1903 - Jan 1905, and again Jan 1905 - Jan 1907

Mabel Helen ROBERTS, Hillsborough County, to Mabel Helen WHITNEY, Jan

 1915 - Jan 1917

Ila G. WHITNEY, Rockingham County, to Ila G. RAMSDELL (divorce), Jan

 1919 - Jan 1921

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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:32:05 To: [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Connecticut Whitneys

At 09:39 PM 8/17/97 -0400, Linda D. <[email protected]> wrote: >You don't have to be rich to be the victim of credit card fraud. I think the >practice of not entering data on living persons on web pages or in group >postings is a wise one. individuals can exchange this information if they >wish when the establish a likely family link.

If any of those whose lineages appear on my page

 http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/lineages.html

want some of their information deleted, I will be happy to oblige.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward <img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:08:11 -0400 From: "Loren J. McCullough" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Database info

To all,

Please remove the James McCullough and Frances Horn family and all descendants from any on-line database that may exist. Thank You

Loren McCullough

Robert L. Ward wrote:

> At 09:39 PM 8/17/97 -0400, Linda D. <[email protected]> wrote: > >You don't have to be rich to be the victim of credit card fraud. I > think the > >practice of not entering data on living persons on web pages or in > group > >postings is a wise one. individuals can exchange this information if > they > >wish when the establish a likely family link. > > If any of those whose lineages appear on my page > http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/lineages.html > want some of their information deleted, I will be happy to oblige. > > Regards, > > Robert > > Robert L. Ward > <img src="/robertward.gif"> > http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ > 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 > 301-776-1659

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From: "Beverly Helton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY, Diadamia Her Parents??? Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:03:25 -0700

Dear "WHITNEY" friends,

I am new to this list, and have been reading your Whitney information, but have not seen any mention of my one and only WHITNEY.

Can anyone help me find Diadamia WHITNEY's parents? She was born 1807 (In Ogle Co. New York or Ogle Co., IL) and died in 1889 in Missouri. She married James A. THOMAS, b. 1802. I have located her in MO Census, but not before.

Their only known child is Mary A. THOMAS, b. 1843 in Lorain Co. Ohio. Mary married James Jefferson HOOKER in Ogle Co., IL, and lived and died in MO. Lieut. James Jefferson HOOKER survived Andersonville Prison, and came back to Caldwell Co., MO, where he, his wife, Mary, and his mother-in-law, Diadamia, are all buried.

Thank you so much, Beverly Helton [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:03:59 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: witpaf4.zip

Dear Randy,

 Reference your E mail Sept 14, subject "GEDCOM's for paf users:

   I successfully downloaded, unzipped, and imported your "witpaf4.zip" Gedcon

onto my PAF 2.3.1, on my Mac Computer, and after spending an hour or more on the importation, processing the data, when I tried to open it, received the following message:

   "The document "witpaf4.GED List" could not be opened, because the

application that created it could not be found."

   "The document ccannot be translated because an unexpected problem has

occurred. (-208)"

   I successfully downloaded, unzipped, and imported Jon Aston's

"WHITNEY12.GED" in the same manner a couple of weeks ago, and have been using it ever since.

   I still have your "witpaf4.GED" that I downloaded which when trying to open

says "Document too large for opening by Simple Text".

   I guess I have three questions, viz.

   Should I  try and import from the latter again, hoping that the second

warning about unexpected trouble (-208) would not occur again? Or

   Try to down load it again from off the Net and start over?   Or

   Does your Gedcom have info other than Jon Aston's Whitney12?  If not, it

would probably be unnecessary to download yours.

   My reasons for downloading them is that I am still furiously trying to

locate info on my Great Grandfather, Daniel James Whitney, which,thanks to Roger is in Roger Ward's Website Queries, on the Internet. I am very grateful to him for putting my query on the Net, and keep hoping someone comes up with solid information that I need. I am at my wit's end! No pun intended!

   Thanks for replying.   Ray Whitney

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:19:34 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]>

Subject: Pres. George Bush-connected to Henry Whitney!! Sender: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

Hello all! Another "hit" on my Whitney Web Pages! This time a descendant of Henry Whitney - immigrant to Long Island and Connecticut (b.ca 1620).

Doneva Shepard descends from ELIZABETH-3 WHITNEY (John-2, Henry-1) who married JOSEPH KEELER. She sent me this "surprise", and quite a surprise it was!

PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH DESCENDS FROM THIS FAMILY! (See Generation 9 below)

I am copying her message here so I won't mistype. ;-) Jeanne 9/22/97

>> Generation 1: Joseph Keeler b:1684 Norwalk, CT d: 29 Nov 1757 Ridgefield, CT + Elizabeth Whitney b 1684 Norwalk, CT d: 17 Mar 1763 Ridgefield, CT Generation 2:

       Lot Keeler  b: 1706
       John Keeler b: 1706
       Rachel Keeler b 4 Oct 1706 + David Osborn in Ridgefield, CT
       Elizabeth Keeler b:18 Nov 1708 in Ridgefield, Fairfield, CT
       Sarah Keeler b: 22 Sept 1710
       Joseph Keeler b: 8 Apr 1713 in Ridgefield, CT d: 5 Apr 1796

Pittsfield, MA

       +Jane Wilson b: 28 Dec 1714 in Charlotte, Chittendon co., VT d 27

Mar 1795 VT

       Isaac Keeler  b: @ 1715
       Martin Keeler  b: 13 May 1717
       Silas Keeler   b: 3 Dec 1724
       Paul Keeler   b: @1726
    *  Elijah Keeler b 17 Mar 1725/26
       +Sarah ??

Generation 3:

       Andrew Keeler
    *  Rebecca Keeler b 29 Apr 1751 Ridgefield, Fairfield, CT
       +Lemuel Bangs b: 31 Dec 1739 in Harwich, Barnstable, Mass
       Elijah Keeler b 12 Jan 1756 Ridgefield, CT d 27 May 1833 Malone NY

Generation 4:

    *  Elijah Keeler Bangs b 4 Jun 1780 + Esther Stackhouse

Generation 5:

    *  Mary Ann Bangs b: 15 Jun 1817 + Joseph Ambrose Beaky

Generation 6:

    *  Martha Adela Beaky  b:  1 June 1841 + David Davis Walker

Generation 7:

    *  George Herbert Walker b 11 June 1875 + Lucretia Wear

Generation 8:

    *  Dorothy Walker b 1 Jul 1901 + Prescott Sheldon Bush

Generation 9:

    *  United States President,
       George Herbert Walker Bush b 12 June 1924 + Barbara Pierce

That's my surprise!!!

Apparently Lot, John and Rachel were triplets ? ? ? I will have to dig deeper into all this. Doneva<<

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:52:57 -0400 From: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY, Diadamia Her Parents??? Sender: Jeanne Muse <[email protected]> To: 1ALLWHITNEYS <[email protected]>

On 9/21 Beverly Helton wrote: >>Can anyone help me find Diadamia WHITNEY's parents? She was born 1807 (In Ogle Co. New York or Ogle Co., IL) and died in 1889 in Missouri. She married James A. THOMAS, b. 1802. I have located her in MO Census, but not before.

Their only known child is Mary A. THOMAS, b. 1843 in Lorain Co. Ohio. Mary married James Jefferson HOOKER in Ogle Co., IL, and lived and died in MO. Lieut. James Jefferson HOOKER survived Andersonville Prison, and came back to Caldwell Co., MO, where he, his wife, Mary, and his mother-in-law, Diadamia, are all buried.<<

Beverly, I can give you what I have in my database. I have a DIADAMA WHITNEY, daughter of Hezekiah Whitney and Olive Knight. Sorry I don't have dates.

She is Diadama-6 (Hezekiah-5, Enoch-4, Ebenezer-3, Richard-2, John-1)

I believe this is Patricia A. Whitney-Jones' line. She descends from Diadama's brother Elisha Whitney who married Rachael Frost. Patricia are you "listening"?

I don't have a marriage for DIADAMA, so I don't know if this is the same person, but with a name like hers it seems probable!

-) Jeanne

9/22/97

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:17:39 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: WHITNEY, Silas

Im stll looking for Mantle Whitney b around 1863 ???? I don't know where if anyone has a Whitney who married a Mary Fuller around 1888,please email me. Mary

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From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:26:17 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: newspaper article

I was doing some research in Steuben County, IN over the weekend and found this newspaper article. Hope this might be of interest to someone. This article was in a section that was telling about different things happening in other areas besides Fremont, IN. It was published in the Fremont Eagle Thursday, January 12, 1893.

                                     Mr. Whitney Says No
He declares that he will not be a member of Cleveland's Cabinet.
Former Secretary of the Navy William C. Whitney announced at New York that

he would not be a member of President elect Cleveland's Cabinet. When asked if he knew anything about the make-up of Mr. Cleveland's cabinet he answered: " All I know about it is that I will not be a member of it." "That does not mean that a cabinet place has not been offered to you, does it?" he was asked. Mr. Whitney hesitated a moment and then said. "Well not necessarily, but I have nothing to say except that I will not be a member."

Bernice Herndon [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:32:20 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Latest PAF Gedcom effort:

Dear WRG:

I just got off the phone with the SLC people who support PAF after the special gedcom that Jon created for me that incorporated their last suggestions failed to complete loading with almost (but not quite) the same results as before. I got to exactly the same point in the gedcom for individuals - 7028 - instead of the 8467 we know are present, but did get 104 more marriages this time (1358 instead of 1254). They can't explain it any more this time than they could last time, except to say that I'm the only one who has reported a problem with importing a gedcom since 90,000 people have begun using PAF3.0 (although they did accept my saying that I was speaking on behalf of half a dozen others in our group who have had the same problem).

I will be copying the latest file that Jon sent, and will send it on disk to the Family History Center Support Services Office, where they may be able to study the file and determine what the problem point is. When I know, you'll know. We did have one other thought, mostly me, actually. Is there a WRG member out there who is running one of the other top genealogy programs like Roots IV or The Master Genealogist who has successfully imported the Witney12.ged with all the notes and sources included? If there is, perhaps that person could create a "new" gedcom of Whitny12 and send it to me as an attachment.

If someone is willing to try, it would be best if it had these options selected: (these are the ones Jon did in the last one he sent me)

Destination: PAF ({PAF3.0 if that is also an option) GEDCOM: Version 5.5 Character Set: ANSEL Abberviate Tags: On

It will be something else to try until the snailmail submission gets out to SLC and they get around to analyzing a file that big to find the problem.

Who knows, we may be the cause of another update, if they find that it is a

minor glitch in their programming.

Jeanne: I'm sure that we Whitneys can take some small satisfaction in the thought that George Herbert Walker Bush must have derived one or more of his better qualities from his joint ancestry with us. Anyone who finds less sterling other qualities, they must have come from other branches.

Note to Ron & Marsha Bokleman: Have you been able to come up with the resolution of the problem of the two families for Joseph Whitney that seems to stem from material taken from Pierce, with the "second family" that includes Palmer Whitney (logically enough the son of the Anna Palmer [2nd?] wife) and his siblings coming so much later (born according to the Robert Rose descendancy from abt 1774 through 1784 - during which time Joseph would have been between 58 and 68 years old) than the children of Joseph with Mary Hastings (born between 1749 and 1761), for whom a marriage CAN be found. Is the problem the lack of VR's from the town of Warwick (they don't seem to be in Orange)? I can find no death for Mary Hastings Whitney in any of the VR's - perhaps they had removed from Roxbury to Warwick between the years 1761 and ca 1774, and her death was recorded there as well.

In the meantime, I'm really pleased with the amount of new research material being shared among the group - you're a great bunch and as always - the nicest group of people on the Internet.

Happy Hunting:

Allan

GENEALOGICAL TRUTH FOR TODAY: Your microfilm reader is always the one that squeaks, has to be turned backwards, and doesn't quite focus.

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:57:41 -0700 From: Paul and Brenda Nichols <[email protected]>

To: [email protected] Subject: Callie May Whitney

I saw this and thought that someone might be interested in it.

Brenda Nichols

 Moses Colby Young born 3 Mar 1825 Ossipee, Carroll Co, NH, d 28   May

1864, buried in Pensacola, FL married Mary Tibbetts born 22 May 1815 at Farmington, NH died 27 Aug 1855 at Sherman, Aroostook Co, ME d/o Edmund Tibbetts

         Children:
         girl born 5 Feb 1846 at Ossipee, NH
         Mary Arthena See BELOW
         Moses Colby Young Jr b 14 Nov 1848 at Ossipee, NH, d 22

Dec 1924 at Hudson, NH m Callie May Whitney, d/o Jedediah & Angeline (Huntoon) Whitney and the grandaughter of Rhoda (Blaisdell) Whitney who was the widow of Asa Whitney

         Edmund R b 15 Apr 1850 at T3R5 Aroostook Co, Maine
         Daniel T b 21 Apr 1852 at T3R5 Aroostook Co, Maine
         boy died 10 Jul 1854 at T3R5 Aroostook Co, Maine
         John born 27 Aug 1855 at T3R5, Aroostook Co, ME, died 16

Oct 1929 at Auburn, ME, killed by a car

         Benjamin Young
         Solomon Tarr Young b 1827 in Ossipee, NH

For more info on this line, go to:

http://members.aol.com/youngcolby/young.html

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:10:27 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Francis Whitney

Question: Can anyone help me with a Francis WHITNEY found on the Early Kentucky Land Records dated 1773-1780? He received a land grant dated December 27, 1774 for 220 acres on Mill Creek.

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:41:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Michael Poston" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Another orphan Whitney line

A cousin reports that he has this line:

Willard Whitney, born circa 1836, married Clara __?__ (born ca. 1839)

  i.  Ella Whitney, born ca.  1865
 ii.  Leland W. Whitney, born ca. 1869.

[Leland W. Whitney. No primary record can be found of the parents of Leland Whitney. However, in the 1870 Federal Census, at Corinth, Maine there is listed Willard Whitney, age 34; wife Clara, age 31; Ella, age 5; and Leland W., age 1.]

Leland W. Whitney married Mary R. (Minnie) Chandler, daughter of John Buren Chandler and Aurelia York, 5 March 1895, in Corinth, Penobscot, Maine. Minnie was born 9 June 1867 and died 22 February 1944.

 i.  Walter Blanchard Whitney, born 5 October 1903, died 26

November 1984, in Tacoma, Pierce, Washington. He married first, Gail Preston, and second Bernice Horton, 31 Dec 1938. He had no children by either marriage although he was stepfather to Bernice's children by her first marriage, Lorraine and Donald Adams.

Can anyone tie Willard to any branch of the Whitneys?

Mike Poston Rockville, MD [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:59:19 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Samuel Whitney

Samuel Whitney s/o Jeremiah Whitney and Mary Gibson died 8 Mar 1859 in Barren Co., Kentucky . At the time of death he was a widower. any information on wife and /or children??????

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:02:37 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Elizabeth Whitney

a Eliza Whitney married a Samuel Anderson 22 Oct 1827 in Willoughby, Allen Co., Kentucky. Could this be Elizabeth Whitney d/o Jeremiah Whitney and Mary Gibson? Is there no record available that could help give approx. birth dates for this family?

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:05:10 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: John G. Whitney

A John G. Whitney married Cynthia Holder 21 Dec 1828 at Jackson, Allen Co. Ky.

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:11:09 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Susannah Whitney

a Susan Whitney married a Thomas Harston 23 July 1829-Allen Co., Kentucky. Could this be Susannah Whitney d/o Jeremiah Whitney and Mary Gibson.

Question: I've seen several researchers who refer to Mary Gibson as Polly Ann.. Could Mary be Mary Polly Ann Gibson????

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:19:26 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: James Bynum

James Bynum will proved 21 Jun 1763 @ Halifax Co. N. C. : no wife was mentioned but he claims 4 children: William, Agnes, Nicholas & Mony wife of Philip Dill.....

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:30:53 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Jeremiah Whitney

I've got to many Whitney's to fit into one family........A Jeremiah Whitney found in the Virginia Land Records: dated 14 Feb. 1761 Bedford Co., Va.

Could he be another son of Samuel and Agnes Bynun?

Could he be a brother to Samuel and s/o of Joshua and Mary.....? This would keep him in the same family or is he of another branch all together? HELP!

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:47:17 To: "Vickie (Elam) White" <[email protected]> From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Joshua WHITNEY's daughters Cc: [email protected]

Vickie,

Glad to correspond with you again.

At 04:20 PM 9/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >The will of Joshua WHITNEY, written in 1713, mentions the >following daughters. Can anybody tell me who and when they >married? The marriages aren't in Torrey or the supplements. >Were they second marriages, made after 1700? > >a)Elenor m _______ SHEPARD

Eleanor WHITNEY m. Samuel SHEPHERD/SHEPARD, but I have no date or place. I also have no information about his birth, death, or parentage. If she had a first husband, I have no record of it.

>b)Sarah m ______ JUELL (or JEWELL)

Sarah WHITNEY m. Nathaniel JEWELL on 11 Jul 1704, Groton, MA. She may have married later one ----- TYLER (see below).

>Also, can anybody tell me where and when the following daughters died? > >a)Hannah WOODS, wife of Thomas WOODS of Groton -- no death record in > Groton VRs and her father's will is vague but makes it sound like > she could have been alive in 1713 (she had already received her > portion when Joshua wrote his will).

The provisions of the will make it clear that he had only five living daughters: Mary PEIRCE, Elenor SHEPARD, Sarah JUELL, Martha WILLIAMS, and Elisabeth FARNWORTH. Thus Hannah and Abigail were certainly dead by the date thereof, 17 Apr 1713. I have no specific dates or places for those deaths, however.

>b)Abigail HUTCHINS, wife of John

See above.

>c)Martha WILLIAMS, wife of Isaac

No information.

>d)Elizabeth FARNSWORTH, wife of Ebenezer

Possibly she married secondly ----- HARMON. The will of their brother Joshua-3 WHITNEY, who died unmarried and childless 1 Dec 1753, Plainfield, CT, mentions Elizabeth HARMON and Sarah TYLOR, without specifying any relationship. They may have been his remarried sisters, although I have no proof of that conjecture. If so, both were still alive when he wrote his will.

>Also, Joshua's will mentions only the grandchildren he had through his daughter, >Abigail. Any idea why? Didn't he have other grandchildren by then? Was Abigail >dead by then, so Joshua felt he had to provide for them?

Yes, he had quite a few grandchildren in 1713. A possible explanation for remembering the HUTCHINS grandchildren but not the WOODS grandchildren is that Hannah (WHITNEY) WOODS had already received her portion, but that Abigail (WHITNEY) HUTCHINS had died without having done so.

>Vickie (Elam) White >[email protected]

Regards,

Robert

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:20:03 -0400 From: "Vickie (Elam) White" <[email protected]> Subject: Joshua WHITNEY's daughters Sender: "Vickie (Elam) White" <[email protected]> To: "INTERNET:WHITNEY-L@roots" <[email protected]>

The will of Joshua WHITNEY, written in 1713, mentions the following daughters. Can anybody tell me who and when they married? The marriages aren't in Torrey or the supplements. Were they second marriages, made after 1700?

a)Elenor m _______ SHEPARD b)Sarah m ______ JUELL (or JEWELL)

Also, can anybody tell me where and when the following daughters died?

a)Hannah WOODS, wife of Thomas WOODS of Groton -- no death record in

 Groton VRs and her father's will is vague but makes it sound like
 she could have been alive in 1713 (she had already received her
 portion when Joshua wrote his will).

b)Abigail HUTCHINS, wife of John c)Martha WILLIAMS, wife of Isaac d)Elizabeth FARNSWORTH, wife of Ebenezer

Also, Joshua's will mentions only the grandchildren he had through his daughter, Abigail. Any idea why? Didn't he have other grandchildren by then? Was Abigail dead by then, so Joshua felt he had to provide for them?

Vickie (Elam) White [email protected]

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:33:35 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Janice Whitaker) Subject: Whitney's from Corinth ME Cc: [email protected]

Dear Mike and WRG's,

    I haven't ever had anyone crop up, trying to identify a Whitney from

my branch, but this may be a first! My gggrandmother, Nancy Fisher Whitney Eastman was born in Corinth, Maine 30 June,1828, d/o William and Olive (Parlin) Whitney. He was as follows:William, Samuel(of Falmouth ME), Abner, John(of Shirley MA.), Isaiah (of Lexington/Cambridge Farms, MA), Thomas, John. William did not have any sons named Willard, according to FC Pierce and family records, and his oldest sons' children were born later(1840's) than Willard (1836), and are well documented. I have not been able to trace William's brothers, Barzelia, b. 1788, and Greenleaf, b. 1803, both presumably in Falmouth, ME. They may have followed there older brother to the Corinth area. Lastly, there is William's brother Ephraim,for whom I do have some good info from Pierce. He had eight children, I believe all born in Corinth, between 1829-1847, then the family emigrated to California. Sons: Charles G. b. 15 Apr.1829, d. 9 June 1853(no marriage known); Elijah Skinner,b.4 Oct.1834 m.8 Dec.1858, Allaseba French;Daniel Elmon b. 13 Nov.1835, d. 3 May 1837;Alvin W. b. 27 May 1838, m. Louise Mc Donald. Either Elijah or Alvin could have had their wives die young and they remarried. Better yet, maybe Alvin's middle name was Willard! I'd say, in my line, that Ephraim or Greenleaf's families are the most promising. ( William also had a son Ephraim Hildreth who was a Methodist Minister, so don't cross over there!) I am researching in Maine frequently and will keep my eye open for Willard and Leland. Good Luck,and glad to help anytime. Jan

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:57:27 -0500 To: [email protected] From: Debbie Jo Cook <[email protected]> Subject: WHITNEY from Maine <?>

Hi ... I am looking for Abigail WHITNEY who married John RAND

THeir child: Abigail Rand who was born 14 Nov 1736 She married Jonathan OAKS from Massachusetts 23 Apr 1762. Abigail died in Sangerville, Maine in 1813

Thats all information I have.... anybody out there researching the same surnames???

Please email me.. thanks!

[email protected]

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From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:20:49 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Fwd: Whitney

Dear WRG:

I got this inquiry the other day, and wrote back and asked for the writer's permission to forward it to the Group. I also asked for any more specific data that would help narrow down the search. I got the permission tonight and this further data.

>That would be wonderful if you could assist by sharing this with others!

>My grandfather's full name name was:

>James John Whitney Jr. >Born December 9, 1876 >In:Brooklyn,NY

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Forwarded message: Subj: Whitney Date: 97-09-22 11:33:52 EDT From: KCPROD To: ALLAGREEN

My grandfather's last name was Whitney. Born in NY, as John James Whitney. He was born in 1876, I think. Do you have any information re: this Whitney family? Thanks, K. Counter

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:22:14 -0700 From: Paul and Brenda Nichols <[email protected]> To: Debbie Jo Cook <[email protected]> CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: WHITNEY from Maine <?>

Hi.

Me too...since my wife is a Whitney and i'm a direct descendent

of Jonathan Oaks.

 Inlude me if anybody has a clue.

 Paul of San Diego/Boston

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From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:58:57 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Brooklyn, NY Whitney Part2

In a message dated 97-09-25 05:28:45 EDT, you write:

> My grandfather's last name was Whitney. Born in NY, as John James Whitney. > He was born in 1876, I think. Do you have any information re: this Whitney > family? > Thanks, > K. Counter

Another thought..........Henry's father was Ezra Slack Whitney....you might

want to see if he had a son John James, that would be the Sr. to your Jr....... Laurie

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From: "David E. Shannon" <[email protected]> To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> Subject: My families (3) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:29:26 -0500

Hello, fellow Whitney descendant:

I am descended from three of the sons of John and Elinor Whitney: John, Jo(h)nathon and Joshua. Very little of my lines are loaded in the Discussion Group Database.

I have Family Tree Maker 4.0, and I believe that these files can be exported in GedCom format. Would this be an efficient way to add my lines to the database? Otherwise, what procedure do you recommend. I notice that there is a way to "Extract" and "Build" Ged-Com built in to the database, but I hate to have to do all that re-entering, as I have many generations and most siblings with quite a few spouses and some of their children! Please advise.

Also, is the intent of the database to include everyone down to the present, as it seems to be doing?

Thank you very much for undertaking this project.

David

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From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:20:20 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: Susannah Whitney

Greetings to the WRG:

I've been having several exchanges with Alicia (Littel [email protected]) about her line of Southern Whitneys, and have really wished I could help her more.

Since Michael Ray Whitney's departure from our midst, there seems to be no

one coordinating the gathering and organization of information about this branch of the family. I don't even have what Michael had posted about the first Whitney to relocate from England to Bermuda and the lineage there prior to their transfer to Virginia. My knowledge comes mostly from Alicia in our discussions about how she might find more sources. We both have written to Michael relatively recently, and when I checked with AOL, my message to him had not been "picked up" or downloaded by him, and he has never answered Alicia, either. Therefore, Alicia has agreed that someone needs to step up and take on the task of keeping track of who among us is working on these Southern Whitneys, and collect lineages and names and places to gradually build a database for this sub-group. Also, ultimately, the question of slave-owning will have to come up with more research into the family's history, and the two African-American Whitneys that were in the group not too long ago looking for AA Whitneys in southeast Virginia and eastern NC can be assisted as well. So, Alicia, I hope you will become the "collector". I'll help, and we can probably get tips from Jon Aston and Jeanne Muse on putting together a way to store and tag data. Just to bring in as many as possible, here is the beginnings of what Alicia sent to me just recently.

A Samuel Whitney was born in Bermuda, probably somewhere between 1720 and 1730, a descendant of the family that Michael found coming there from England, sometime before 1650 (I think), and made his way to Virginia at an unspecified time (ca 1745+?). He married an Agnes Bynum, probably in the late 1740's and then died ca 1752, either in southern Virginia, near the NC line or in or around Halifax Co, NC. Their only known son, John, was born 23 Mar 1750 (which could have been 1750/51, since the calendar change didn't take place until 1752), in NC, and the descent from there is in her (Alicia's) hands.

The "organization" of the J & E branch, and the CT branch, has been quite helpful to the majority of the WRG members, and trying to approach the needs of this smaller group of researchers the same way would seem to me to be a most sensible approach.

Happy Hunting:-)

Allan GENEALOGICAL TRUTH FOR TODAY: The book you need is never indexed.

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:32:10 To: [email protected], [email protected] From: "Robert L. Ward" at <img src="/robertward.gif"> Subject: Re: Ezra Whitney, 1759, VT

Friends,

At 06:21 PM 9/1/97 -0400, A. Whitney Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >This web page I found through an Alta Vista search provides some interesting >and well researched information on Ezra Whitney, b.1759, of VT and NY., as >well as a passel of his ancestors and descendants. Perhaps they should be >included in the John database. A. Whitney Brown. > <A HREF="http://www.gentree.com/cgi-bin/igmget/n=Doyle?ID98">Doyle Genealogic >al Database Individual</A>

This is very interesting. I looked at this database today, and found an error which I thought I ought to report to the WRG and to the author, Tim Doyle.

The page cited describes a certain Ezra WHITNEY, d. 8 May 1842, Burns, Allegany Co., NY, his wife Sally HOOKER, and their children. He was a soldier in the American Revolution under Col. Joseph Cilley in the First New Hampshire Regiment, during 1780, and his widow applied for a pension based on his service. The application states that he had been born in New Hampshire, and mentions a sister Lucretia (WHITNEY) FRANKLIN, b. ca. 1771, her older sisters, Ezra's marriage in Athens, Windham Co., VT, 22 Dec 1785, and their residence with their father in Rockingham, Windham Co., VT at the time of his enlistment in the army in 1780.

The page states, but the pension application does not, that this Ezra WHITNEY was b. 1759 in Douglas, MA. Another page at the same site, <http://www.gentree.com/cgi-bin/igmget/n=Doyle?ID125> describes his purported father, Ezra WHITNEY, who was born 22 Feb 1729/30, Framingham, MA. This older Ezra WHITNEY was Ezra-5 WHITNEY [James-4, John-3, Jonathan-2, John-1], and his birth parentage are verified by the Framingham VR and Pierce's WHITNEY genealogy. See <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/john/num197.html#764>.

The children of Ezra-5 and Mercy (MORSE) WHITNEY are recorded in Douglas, MA, Vital Records <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/mass/douglas.html> as follows:

  1. Elizabeth, b. 29 Jun 1754, Douglas, MA, m. 3 Dec 1772, Douglas, Caleb
     HILL.
  2. Moses, b. 7 Mar 1757, Douglas, MA, m. 31 Dec 1780, Boxford, Hannah
     PALMER.
  3. Ezra, b. 29 Aug 1759, Douglas, MA.
  4. Samuel, b. 12 Oct 1760, Douglas, MA, m. 13 Dec 1781, Douglas, Azubah
     HILL.
  5. James, b. 15 Dec 1764, Douglas, MA, m. 18 Oct 1787, Douglas, Ruth KNAPP.
  6. Mercy, b. 27 Jan 1768, Douglas, MA, m. 10 Jan 1793, Douglas, Samuel
     REED, Jr.
  7. John, b. 26 Nov 1769, Douglas, MA.
  8. Mary, b. 12 Jun 1773, Douglas, MA, apparently d. young.
  9. Mary, b. 25 Aug 1776, Douglas, MA.
 10. Micah, b. 26 May 1778, Douglas, MA, 12 Feb 1795, Uxbridge, MA.

Ezra-5 married secondly, 29 Nov 1795, Douglas, MA, Ruth (REED) KNAPP, and d. 24 Sep 1804 in Woodstock, CT, in his 75th year.

What is wrong with this picture? Several things. First of all, Ezra-5 never lived in Rockingham, Windham Co., VT, especially during the Revolutionary War period. He was living then in Douglas, MA, and later moved (perhaps about 1794) to Uxbridge, MA, and then Woodstock, CT. Second of all, there is no sister Lucretia in this lengthy list of children.

There was an Ezra WHITNEY who lived in Rockingham, Windham Co., VT, however! On a list of residents of Rockingham for 1781 appear Ezra WHITNEY and Ezra WHITNEY, Jr. (CD #136: Colonial America -- Pre-1790, Census Index, Tax Lists, etc., by Automated Archives). It is this Ezra WHITNEY, Jr., who is without doubt the Revolutionary soldier. But who was he? I can find only one father/ son pair named Ezra who are old enough to be these men: Ezra-6 WHITNEY, b. 29 Nov 1760, Lunenburg, MA, son of Ezra-5 and Agnes (-----) WHITNEY [John-4, Isaiah-3, Thomas-2, John-1].

What do we know about the family of this last man, Ezra-5 WHITNEY? He was b. 24 Aug 1731, Harvard, MA, son of John-4 and Rebecca-4 (WHITNEY) WHITNEY. He married firstly a certain Agnes -----. It is alleged, with what authority I do not know, that her maiden name was ROSSITER. Pierce reports that it was ROSS. See <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/john/num173.html#690> for him and his ancestry. They had the following children recorded in Shirley, Lunenburg, and Montague, MA:

  1. son, b. 17 May 1756, Shirley.
  2. daughter, b. 18 Dec 1757, Shirley.
  3. Ezra, b. 29 Nov 1760, Lunenburg.
  4. Rebekah, b. 2 Jan 1762, Lunenburg.
  5. Agnes, b. 10 Apr 1767, Montague.

See their vital records:

  <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/mass/shirley.html>
  <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/mass/lunenburg.html>
  <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/mass/montague.html>

He is alleged by Pierce to have had a second wife Elizabeth -----. I found a marriage record of Ezra WHITNEY and Elizabeth MARSHALL, at Brookline, MA, on 5 Mar 1788, recorded in Boston VR

  <http://www.erols.com/rlward1/whitney/mass/boston.html>

who may or may not be this man. If it was not this man, I cannot identify who it might have been. Presumably he moved to New Hampshire shortly after the birth of Agnes in 1767, and to Whitingham, VT, by 1780.

What is wrong with this picture? Firstly, the birth of Ezra-6 was not recorded in New Hampshire, but in Lunenburg, MA. Lunenburg is very close to the MA-NH state line. It is possible that he was born in NH and the birth recorded in MA. Apparently either he was already living there, or else he moved to New Hampshire at age about 8 years. Where is the sister Lucretia? Apparently she was born after the move to New Hampshire, or the second move to Vermont. There are two older sisters recorded, and perhaps others unrecorded. This is a *much* better fit than the other pair of Ezra WHITNEYs mentioned above.

Further confirmatory details of this family might be found in the VRs of Vermont, and in the land and probate records of Worcester Co., MA, southern New Hampshire, and/or Whitingham, Windham Co., VT. I have no information from these important sources. Hopefully someone will examine them and settle this issue definitively.

Anyone who can contribute to this discussion, feel free to chime in! I would be interested in exactly what Pierce says about these families, for example, since I do not own a copy.

Regards,

Robert

Robert L. Ward

<img src="/robertward.gif"> http://www.erols.com/rlward1/ 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:46:56 -0700 From: Mike and Ann Mathewson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Looking for William H Whitney

I am trying to find out some information about my mother's family. Her name is Alys Edna Whitney Durenberger. She was born 1-1-1916. Her father was Henry Burley (Burleigh) Whitney born 1-5-1875 in Providence RI. His parents were William H Whitney born around 1844, in Watertown Mass. and Mary A (Giddings) Whitney born around 1844 in England. If anyone knows where to look for more information on there parents please e-mail me @ [email protected] or my husband at [email protected]

Thank You

Ann Mathewson

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:09:29 -0400 To: [email protected] From: Ken Nelson <[email protected]> Subject: Harry WHITNEY of Maine

Looking for anything on the parents of Harriet Emaline WHITNEY (12 Feb 1829-25Mar1917) born to Harry Whitney and Emaline BARBER, both of Maine, Probably Washington County. Harry is said to have been related to Eli Whitney.

Ken Nelson [email protected]

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 08:37:46 -0700 To: [email protected] Subject: Whitney

How do I submit a query to the Whitney Gen Query page.

My grandmother was Ione Jewett Whitney b. 1893 Granville, NY, or Dorset, VT (Some records show born as Iola B. Whitney) m. 1933 Phillip Chaplin Hoyt, CMDR. Merchant Marines, - family John Chaplin, Rowley, MA & Bridgeton, ME ), Springfield, MA d. 20 Aug, 1983 Wrentham, MA

Ione's Father - William Melville Whitney b. Sandgate? Sunderland?, VT. 1858 d.Granville, NY Feb. 1931 burial 14 Feb 1931. Elmwood Cemetary Granville, NY, record shows 1857-1931

William's father was Edward Whitney Hartland or Haretand, VT. b. 1828? Mother Adelaide Boche. b.? MA

Ione's Mother-Nancy Jewett Johnson b. 1861 (named as Anna in 1900 census below)d. 1939 Granville, NY

1900 Census Anna Wife dob. Jun 1861 Fred son dob. Oct 1881 Maud, dau. dob. Aug 1883 Marion, dau dob. Apr 1885 Dwight, son dob. Mar 1887 Gertrude, dau. dob. Jun 1891 Ione, dau. dob. 1893 William, son dob Jul 1895 Anna, dau. dob Nov 1899

William's obit notes Bearers were the 4 sons naming Roy also,

dob must be shortly after 1900. Residence Middle Granville, length 16

yrs., farmer "All of the children were present except Mrs. George F. Henry of St. George, Nova Scotia." "Among those from out of town attending were M/M George Whitney, Mrs. Harold Whitney, Mrs Barnes of Saratoga Springs, Mr. and Mrs. Walter Balch and son Wesley of Whitehall, Mr. and Mrs Norman Gibbs, Mrs. T.B. ARnold, Mr. and Mrs. Fred Johnson of Hartford, Mrs. W. A. Johnstone of Salem. Survived by 35 grandchildren and 5 great grand children"

My Aunt, Ione's daughter, Norma Hoyt Hamilton remembers going to her Uncle William (Whitney, Jr)'s farm and saw big picture of "Uncle Eli" over the fireplace. Ione told Marvis Hoyt Maynard (my mother) that she was a niece of Eli Whitney and a "daughter" of the Mayflower.

Can't find the missing link from Edward back. No records found yet. Suspect he is one of Eli's brother's grandsons. Can't find info on Eli's nephews. Any help?

Colleen Knights

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From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 09:49:50 -0700 To: [email protected] Subject: Edward Kellogg Whitney

What I know is that my GG grandfather was Edward Whitney b. 1828, Hartland VT. Can anyone tell me if Edward Kellog Whitney might be that Edward?? He had a son William Melville Whitney b. 1857?58, Granville, VT.

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From: [email protected] ( DIANA FRAZER) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 21:52:55, -0500 To: [email protected] Subject: Whitney Discussion Group

Please send me info on Whitney discussion group.

I have traced ancestors to Edward Whitney of Hartland Vt. (marr. Adeline Balch) DOB 1825.

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From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:46:58 -0400 (EDT) To: [email protected] Subject: Further PAF failures

Dear WRG:

Oh, Woe! Alas! It STILL doesn't work. Gene Graham made a (zipped) gedcom available on his web site that was made from The Master Genealogist program and represented the successful importing of Jon Aston's Whitny12 gedcom file, with all 8467 persons and 2939 marriages. After downloading and unzipping it, I tried to load it into PAF3.0 and got the same result - it stopped for an error condition after exactly the same number of individuals 7028 as I had been able to import from the different versions that Jon Aston had sent to me. The number of notes and sources I have collected during this process has varied from gedcom to gedcom version. Initially, I think I got 1254 notes and sources, Jon Aston's last try, which included a change that was recommended by Tech Support for PAF, gave me the most, 1358 notes and sources, and this latest try from Gene had only 1020 notes and sources. No marriages were transferred in any of these version - which I think is normal, as my memory tells me that marriages were always the last thing a gedcom transferred when importing another file.

I have now come to the following conclusion. Either I have a defective version of this program that somehow creates an error condition when faced with a gedcom that includes a number of individuals higher than 7028, OR there is a flaw in the PAF3.0 version of the program that brings that result to anyone who has it. Before I try again to discuss this matter with the Technical Support People, would those of you who are using PAF3.0 and have been unable to import Whitny12 please try again to import this gedcom and write to me and tell me exactly what data you have on your screen as to the number of individuals and the number of notes and sources that you have transferred in at the point that the big red error screen/box shows up. That way I'll be better equipped to talk to the Tech Support people if I can cite how many other persons have had exactly the same problem with importing as I have had, or, how their experience differs from mine.

Thank you all for bearing with the efforts to solve this problem for a minority of the members of the WRG, but I really think it is VERY important to deal with it as soon as possible. As electronic genealogical record keepers and as "on-line" researchers, any question of data integrity and free transfer of information is an important one that needs addressing immediately.

Happy Hunting:-)

Allan GENEALOGICAL TRUTH FOR TODAY: The correctly shelved books and correctly filed forms are never the ones you needed.

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From: [email protected] ( DIANA FRAZER) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:32:24, -0500 To: [email protected] Subject: Who Are Ancestors of William M. Whitney?

William Melville Whitney, DOB 2 Jun 1856, Sandgate, VT

Married: Nancy Jewett Johnson 1880.

1900 US Census, Rutland County, Pawlet Town Vermont. shows the following children: Anna, Fred, Maud, Marion, Dwight, Gertrude, Ione, William, Anna 5 children born in NY, 3 children born in Vt. It appears they moved back and forth several times.

Died 10 Feb, 1931, Middle Granville NY. (There are many Whitney's living in this area and we have sent some letters to them)

Looking for any info on his parents/family/etc.:

Father: Edward Whitney (per death cert.); Mother Adeline Balch (per death cert) also have marr. cert.

DOB unknown, Hartland, Vermont.

Diana Frazer [email protected]

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