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| + | [[User:Tdoyle/Archived_Messages|Old Messages]] through 31 Dec 2009 |
| − | Each Reunion has a page of snapshots which have many images. I'm in no rush to import them. Unique naming of the images is an issue. You did well on the Heraldry page, but I'm not sure I'd have called one of the images "Benjamin.jpg", as that name is probably not specific enough.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 20:37, 29 January 2006 (CST)
| + | == Albert Russell Whitney family == |
| | + | I have finished updating Albert's family page that you started. It doesnt appear when you do a search from the main page but does show a link to an article for him. Do I have to create another page for him for it to show up or can it just be copy and pasted? |
| | + | Thanks, Jim |
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| − | == My Database == | + | ==Operator Error== |
| − | Tim: A few issues, indeed! The reference numbers need to be separated by commas. Of course there are issues of missing spaces. Also, the fact that Elinor had three versions of her given name, and therefore also three versions of her married name, is a problem. I don't know how to deal with that. I could suppress the export of married names if that would help. | + | Okay, You can ignore this one Tim, operator error. I wasnt using the search bar properly. Thanks, Jim |
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| − | - [[User_talk:Rlward|Robert]] 21:28, 3 February 2006 (CST)
| + | == Missing Photos == |
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| − | == Thanks for the message == | |
| − | Hi Tim,
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| − | Thanks for the message about Charles M. Whitney. I got too tired last night before I could get what we know about him online. We have information about his later life, but the beginnings are sketchy. I have managed to track him down in 1860 - he's a lawyer in Troy, NY. Beyond that, I am having difficulty finding his parents.
| + | Check out [[Archive:A Family Sketch]]. There are several missing images there. I cannot find these files in my computer and backups. Do you have copies? |
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| − | You said you had a list from ancestry of 9 Charles Whitneys from this time period - would you mind sending it to me, as I don't have an ancestry subscription?
| + | -- [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 07:49, 9 January 2010 (CST) |
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| − | I've been working through the 1850 census from Heritage Quest, but have eliminated most of the Charles Whitneys that I can find. The one other clue we have is that his son, Charles F., had an 'A.J. Whitney' in his personal notebook. My father-in-law remembers hearing about an 'Uncle AJ', as well. We believe that this is Alonzo J. Whitney, who married Melissa J. Rice. I've managed to find marriage records for Alonzo, who is the son of Jacob and Sally Whitney of MA. Unfortunately, though I found Alonzo J. living at home in the 1850 census, an older brother Charles was not in the household. The same household in 1840 did have an older son living with them, but - of course - no name. | + | == Carlos Whitney == |
| | + | Thank you for starting a page for Carlos Whitney. I contacted |
| | + | the author who had mentioned him in his book and while he |
| | + | didn't have any new info., he did suggest a couple resources |
| | + | re: Adirondack Guide History. I will certainly add any info. |
| | + | I find to the page. |
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| − | Thanks for telling me your hunch - I'll go look at James and Emma of Fitchburg and see what I can turn up. :) | + | Thanks again, |
| | + | Sherry. |
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| − | -Stacy
| + | == My William == |
| | + | Dear Tim, |
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| − | PS - Is there any way to change the title of a document? I put in one of the families without the "Family:" as the first thing in the title. (Oops - in looking up the document in my lineage, I see you've already changed it. However, could I have changed it somehow, or is that an admin thing? Thanks.)
| + | That's him! (Feels silly think of him as 'mine', though I guess he is my 3rd great grandfather!) What we know from history is that the Neil House burnt to the ground in 1860. We find William and his wife & daughters at this time still in Ohio, and William is working as a RR conductor. In 1870 the family lives in Indianapolis, as well as a new addition, little William, age 8 (who was born in Ohio, so we can deduce that the family moved sometime around/after 1862). William (now a 'Sr' of sorts) is employed as a RR Clerk. |
| | + | We know from "Selected Counties of Ohio 1789-1850, Marriages" that William's daughter Harriet married Frank Bird, and I do have a newspaper clipping from March 14, 1900 detailing the marriage of Harriet's daughter Jessie Holiday Bird to Harry William Griffith (son of Elnora Libby & William Chenowith Griffith). My grandmother's notes declare that Harriet passed away 13 July, 1924. Her daughter Jessie would go on to give birth to Richard Gordon Griffith (1902)and Nancy Bird Griffith (1907). Jessie died in 1957 in Battle Creek, MI. Her daughter Nancy, mother of Jane Griffith Peirce Wood, is my grandmother. |
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| − | == Eleanore Dilello's page ==
| + | I have correspondence from a genealogical hunt that Nancy and a friend of a friend endeavored back in the late seventies, and they where totally stumped as to Harriet's parentage. It feels good to know that I am at least one step closer to solving the mystery! (And to think - they had to do all the research by hand! Oy! Thank Goodness for computers!) |
| − | Whew!! i thought I would never find you.. i deleted the page because i dont know what i am doing...ha ha ha
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| − | I removed the page because it was doing something funny with one of the lines...the one that says It was Pierce's Whitney book..
| + | Thanks you so much for your help and your resources! |
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| − | anyway...if you know what happened let me know i am going to post it again...
| + | Gwendolyn |
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| − | Eleanore
| + | == My Whitney Family == |
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| − | == Estate Info - Isaac Whitney ==
| + | Tim, |
| − | The Estate info on Isaac Whitney came from the original WRG site.
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| − | I have used the 'Move to page' option when I find one of the pages I set up before the new standards or find one I made a mistake on that already has data. However in hopes that you or Robert can delete the bad ones at some point (and not liking redirect), I've tried to go in and fix the parents and any children's pages to point to corrected page directly. Since I'm not sure how to make sure no one is linked to old page via the user pages lineage or elsewhere, I've not tried to actually delete the old page.
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| − | - [[User_talk:Andaleen|Andaleen]] 08:30, 13 February 2006 (PST)
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| − | == Erroneous User Name ==
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| − | Tim: I see that BenHWhittney (two "t"s) has registered. His name is really Ben H. Whitney, and on his User page, he seems to think his user name is BenHWhitney (only one "t"). Can you deal with this issue with him?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 10:57, 14 February 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Databases ==
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| − | Links look good, however they were a little confusing at first. The Moses link looked like what I was used to, however when I click on the others, they appeared in a different format than the one I choose for my profile (at least I think that is the difference). The only other thing I might change is the name Links when used for this purpose. Wiki implies links are editable, and these are not - might change to Read-only Links or Un-editable Links, so it is clear before you click on these that you are entering a workspace that does not conform to the stated goals of the Wiki environment. These spaces are owned by single, special individuals.
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| − | So does this mean you've figured out how to automatically load the Family pages from your gedcom and don't need me to continue copying from the WRG site into Wiki, or do you want me to start including these links on the pages as I convert them? I have three more children and all their children of Benjamin<sup>2</sup> to do and then I'm done with that path unless you want me to backtrack and add these links before moving on to another line. I think I understand how you set them up and could follow same format on pages I'm converting if that is what you want me to do.
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| − | - [[User_talk:Andaleen|Andaleen]] 08:37, 14 February 2006 (PST)
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| − | == Phoenix Format ==
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| − | Tim: In answer to your questions, it couldn't be simple! | |
| − | * NO PAGES contain the title and author of the work. I put that above the navigation links and the border of the page for that reason. This is in analogy to the imported Pierce pages. The exact format of the author and title part is not important, so suit yourself on that. I also think we need to add breadcrumbs above the title and author, at the top of each page.
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| − | * PAGES iii, v, and vii have simple borders and no headings.
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| − | * PAGES iv and vi have no borders.
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| − | * PAGE viii is blank
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| − | * PAGE ix has nothing in the center, just the page number on the right.
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| − | * EVEN PAGES x to xx have the page number on the left and "The Whitneys" in the center.
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| − | * ODD PAGES xi to xxi have the page number on the right and "Of England." in the center.
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| − | * PAGE xxii has the page number on the left and "The Whitneys of England." in the center.
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| − | * PAGE 1 has blanks in the heading, but it is still there.
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| − | * EVEN NUMBERED PAGES 2 to 2474 contain "Eighth Generation." or the analogue in the center and the page number on the left.
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| − | * ODD NUMBERED PAGES 3 to 2475 contain "Whitney Family." in the center of the heading and the page number on the right. (I just fixed the example in the [[WRG:Sandbox|WRG sandbox]] which had the page number on the wrong side for page 1551.)
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| − | * PAGE 2476 is blank.
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| − | * The Index of Places (pages 2477 to 2526), the Index of Surnames (pages 2527 to 2737), and the Errata (pages 2738 to 2740) have a different format altogether. I'll try to generate example pages for each. We currently only have transcribed a small portion of the Index of Surnames, and none of the rest.
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| − | * CHART PAGES, such as p0028a.txt, have a simple border around the whole page and no heading. This one is bound between pages 28 and 29, and the back of the page is blank. Others are analogous. They are all sideways, since they are wider than they are tall, except for pxxiii.txt, which is vertical. A fixed-width font is mandatory for them, because of the way I have used ASCII characters to draw the lines. Possibly a different way could be devised to draw these charts not involving this device, but I haven't really tried to find a way to do that. My version of TMG has an add-on, something called Visual Chart Form, which can draw such charts, but whether they could be somehow incorporated into web pages, I just don't know.
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| − | Another issue: since the transcription is not finished, we need to create templates into which to fit the text of newly scanned and OCRed pages, even, odd, and index.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 10:54, 15 February 2006 (CST)
| + | Thank you for the welcome, and for looking over what I'd done. I couldn't work out how to link the pages myself, so thank you for doing that. I do have a couple more generations to add on, before we get too close to the present. |
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| − | == Databases, Continued ==
| + | I did wonder if mine might connect somehow to the John Whitney of Stoke-Goldington - however, at the moment that almost 300 year gap isn't bridgeable. I have a lot of ideas on how to go further, mostly involving parish registers, but living in outback Australia makes some research quite difficult. |
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| − | I very much like the links and references added to the pages like [[Family:Whitney, Ezra (1731-a1800)|Ezra Whitney]] you've been working on. I did notice however the one time I tried to use references that even though I incremented the reference number thinking that is what tied it to its corresponding note, it did not seem to matter what number I put in, the display incremented by one in order of appearance (ie: I input ref 2{{ref|2}}, then ref 1{{ref|1}}, then ref 2 again{{ref|2}} because I wanted to use the same reference call out for two sources), however the display is 1, 2, and 3. So I quit trying to do anything except setup at least one or two refs as template samples on the pages I'm converting for others to use or to come back to. I was also not always sure why on the original site there seemed to be the same information seemingly repeated 2 or more times unless that was the old site's way of indicating multiple sources without including source details. For the most part I'm just transferring what is on original site as is and assuming you, Robert, others, or myself can come back and add references and notes and cleanup later.
| + | My most recent Whitney ancestor was my great-great-grandmother, Salome, so I don't have any contact with any male Whitney relatives, although there are many in Australia - the family took literally the urge to "go forth and multiply"! There has been a research book published on this Whitney line in Australia - is there somewhere on the site I could add this, as well? I didn't write it, but I do have a copy. |
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| − | The skin I chose to use in my preferences is 'Cologne Blue'. I think the pages I clicked on when I was looking around shifted me to 'MonoBook'. I see 'Cologne Blue' when I view Moses and John from Archives, but when I click on other of John's children or on Moses children, I get the other skin (note: I did not click on all of them).
| + | Fascinating site, I'm still finding new things. |
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| − | When I was trying to review skins, I notice on my screen 'Simple' skin looks really bad - the side bar navigation and the main body of information overlap one another like a double image making both unreadable in the area where the side bar info resides. Also noticed on my layout one or two of the other skins which had the WRG logo in the upper left corner overlapped information in the main section and I could not read headers. Let me know if I need to take screen shots and try to email to you separately.
| + | Regards, |
| | + | Fiona |
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| − | As for the links - what I was trying to convey was perhaps two sets of links, one set taking you to other editable links and the other clearly identifying that the links are for informational use only and not editable except by owner once there. It's not that big a deal. Like you I think if Wiki is used correctly, those gedcom links become less meaningful, or become almost mirror copies of the editable page that calls them - assuming people like you and me consolidate and cross reference conflicting information from each site into Wiki page, and assuming that the authors of each restricted site, reviews information and performs similar action on their own pages. I did notice that you added information to the bottom of the pages identifying owners and asking people to contact them if they think a change is needed, so that probably suffices. It's still may be confusing the first few times a person goes to those links, but will probably clear itself up the first time they try to edit and can't - they will look more closely at the message. I just thought it would be helpful to tell them in some manner before they clicked on link not to expect to edit info when they got there.
| + | == Chicheley Records == |
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| − | Thanks
| + | Yes, they are on my list of things I want to do, but when I say I live in the Australian outback, I mean outback. The nearest FHC is approximately 7 hours drive away from here. I am hoping for a trip to Sydney in the near future, and will see if I can order films in advance then, but I don't get to the city very often. |
| − | - [[User_talk:Andaleen|Andaleen]] 09:00, 15 February 2006 (PST)
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| − | == Phoenix Index Format ==
| + | This is probably one of the worst places in the world to live for a genealogist, much as I love it for everything else! |
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| − | Tim: I think I've got a sample index page. See the [[WRG:Sandbox|WRG sandbox]] for the code.
| + | Fiona |
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| − | Question: Why does <nowiki><font size="-1"></nowiki> seem not work on wiki pages?
| + | == Thank you == |
| | + | Thank you Tim, for the welcome and the edit on my lineage. The information that I had retrieved of my Whitney lineage, I was unassure of it, however it just seem to continue from the family trees I had seen. However I do hope to discover the parenatge of Thomas Whitney from that point. This research group has been a great help. |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 12:57, 15 February 2006 (CST)
| + | Blessings and Thank you, |
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| − | == Phoenix Format, Continued ==
| + | Shannon Stevens |
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| | + | == Problem Page == |
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| − | In general, that is a creditable effort! Comments:
| + | Check out this page: [[Archive:Some_of_the_Descendants_of_John_and_Elinor_Whitney]] |
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| − | 1. I have changed the PhoenixHeading template somewhat.
| + | There is something very wrong with it! |
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| − | 2. Any words in the center portion of the header should be italicized. In this case, it is "Whitney Family."
| + | [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 14:49, 15 April 2010 (CDT) |
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| − | 3. While your templates work fine for this page, which begins with an "entry", they won't necessarily do the right thing for pages which begin with either a continuation of an entry, or with a new family, or with a new generation. Those which begin with a continuation of an entry will have nothing in the first and last column, at least in theory, and text in the middle. Those which begin with a new family will not have the separating horizontal rule above the names of the parents. Those which begin with a new generation have about an inch of white space, followed by "FOURTH GENERATION." (or the analogue) in larger capitals, centered, followed by a new family beginning without the horizontal rule.
| + | ==Patrick Whitney== |
| | + | Thank you for the welcome. I was just looking at that Patrick yesterday. I'd like to find more documentation between John and Patrick if I could. It's a place to start anyway. LOL |
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| − | That's all for now.
| + | == John H. Whitney == |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 10:12, 16 February 2006 (CST)
| + | Hi Tim, |
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| − | == Phoenix Format, Continued ==
| + | Thank you for making the page for me, I'm lost, I messed it up, but I think I managed to resave it as it was. Not sure what I did wrong. |
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| − | Tim:
| + | Anyway you make a comment about my ancestor John H., his mother being Nancy, this is right. Nancy would before/later ( forget the order) marry a man with the last name Sickles. They had a daughter Margaret Sickles who married an Anderson. I don't have my stuff in front of me, and I don't have a credit card to get back on ancestry.com to get this all straightened out again in my mind. |
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| − | Yes, the center part of the heading is ALWAYS in italics.
| + | Having said, I feel that John H. Whitney's father was Richard. |
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| − | I see that passing no parameters to the entry template would work for the continuation situation.
| + | If you look here: At the 1850 Izard county Arkansas census (Izard is a neighboring county to Independence), and close to the |
| | + | Missouri line (does anyone know what the real boundries were back then? What info can one trust...) |
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| − | We need a template for beginning a family without a horizontal rule.
| + | Anyway Nancy gets from northern Arkansas to southwestern Arkansas over the next ten years. |
| − | In addition we need either a template with a rule included, or a separate template with just the rule. Either of these approaches should work.
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| − | I tweaked the new generation template.
| + | Just remembered she married the Sickles man first, then (must be) Richard Whitney. |
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| − | I also created an example of the Errata pages, of which there are only three. Since they have not yet been transcribed, it makes no sense to write a specialized bunch of code just for those three pages. Instead, I'll just do a custom coding job on them.
| + | Anyway get back to me if you want, I am exicted about this all again! |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 13:22, 16 February 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Cousins Marry - How/Where to report children == | + | == Help needed in sending you information == |
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| − | I just came across my first set of double cousins which made issue I'm discussing here stand out to me, although issue will exist anytime a cousin marries another cousin whether it be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. See [[Family:Watkins, Gilbert N (s1765-1822)|Gilbert N Watkins]] and [[Family:Watkins, Sarah (c1766-?)|Sarah Watkins]]. Gilbert N and Sarah Watkins mothers were sisters, Sarah and Esther Whitney, while their fathers were brothers, Nathan and James Watkins. I did not like the idea of maintaining data on children in two different pages, so I deleted the children from Sarah's page and just set up link back to Gilbert's. Take a look and let me know how you want to handle Family Group when cousins marry cousins. Whose page do we want to post children to (Father or Mother or Both)?
| + | Hi Tim, |
| | + | I'm not good at high tech, Do you have an E-Mail address that I could use to send you |
| | + | a two page letter about Stephen and Ruth (Boody)Whitney descendants, namely the children |
| | + | of Stephen and their locations. I also am developing a large file on Family Tree Maker |
| | + | of them, and am wondering how to send it to you. |
| | + | Gerald E. (Jerry) Whitney |
| | + | Milford, NEbraska 68405 |
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| − | - [[User_talk:Andaleen|Andaleen]] 16 Feb 2006 8:41 pm PST
| + | == Asa Whitney of Dutchess Co., NY == |
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| − | == Cousins Marry (part 2) ==
| + | Hi Tim |
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| − | What you suggested made sense until I came to my next set of cousins. [[Family:Watkins, Patty (c1778-1849)|Patty Watkins]], daughter of [[Family:Whitney, Esther (1742-?)|Esther Whitney]] married her cousin [[Family:Whitney, Fisher (1775-1805)|Fisher Whitney]]. I started to direct her to Fisher's page when I suddenly realized, she had a second marriage with children, and if I link her to Fisher with no page of her own, I have no home for second family.
| + | I just went into the connection for Asa Whitney. Yes it is assumed he is the son of Ebenezer and Martha Sherwood. In the 1800 census for Litchfield, Conn Ebenezer is listed and below him is a John Sherwood. Helps to confirm maybe. |
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| − | - [[User talk:Andaleen|Andaleen]] 16 February 2006 9:42pm PST
| + | Asa's date of birth is August 14, 1804 and he died April 24, 1863. Asa was married to Julia Ann Quick ( this name comes from Sarah Jane's death certificate) b July 4, 1807 in England and died June 7, 1849. He later married Martha Bennett Wilson ( my grandmother who was married to Charles Wilson The Whiteys and the Wislon were next door neighbors. |
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| − | == Extracts ==
| + | There are 3 gravestones in the South Amenia Cemetery for Asa, Martha and Charles Wilson. |
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| − | Tim:
| + | Marthann was the daughter bor May 5, 1825 |
| | + | Eliza was the daughter born Oct 11, 1827 |
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| − | All the Extracts are finished, as far as I can tell, except for Phoenix and the Pierce indexes! Whew!!
| + | Idid not see how I could make these corrections |
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| − | On to new projects. Next I intend to finish the Biographies, then start on the City Directories.
| + | Thank you for you help. We have lots more info on Sarah Jane including death cert. |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 15:02, 20 February 2006 (CST)
| + | Geri Zuccarino |
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| − | == "Add a new page" Problem ==
| + | Hi agaim Tim |
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| − | Tim: On the WRG:Start_a_new_page page, the labels above the two windows and the action of the two buttons below are mismatched. The button under the Simple Version window gives you the Complete Version template, and vice versa. Either the labels should be switched, or the buttons should.
| + | The Dna testing is being done on a male descendant of Stephen Morey Whitney. They hae some of the results which leans to John and Elinor in 1635. The rest of the testing should be finished soon and then I will let you know for sure. |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 18:40, 25 February 2006 (CST)
| + | Appreciate the extensive work that is done on this family. |
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| − | == Links in Transcriptions/Extracts ==
| + | Geri |
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| − | Tim:
| + | == Maryland John J. & Mary Turner Whitney == |
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| − | It occurred to me that putting links in ALL our transcriptions or extracts from names pointing to family group records may or may not be a good idea. As a case in point, consider the Pierce transcription. We already have links from some names to the Errors page, so there is a conflict there.
| + | Hi Tim, |
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| − | I don't have a solution. I am just pointing out that there may be a problem. | + | I wrote to St. Mary's Church in Hagerstown Maryland looking for the marriage record for John & Mary Turner Whitney. http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney%2C_John_J._%28c1828-b1880%29 |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 07:07, 28 February 2006 (CST)
| + | They didn't have a record for them, but they sent me one for: Michel Whitney marriage to Mary Ellen Payne from Four Locks on 14 Oct. 1858. Witness: Patrick Ryan & John Whitney |
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| − | == Rollbacks ==
| + | I can scan and send the record to you if you want. One page is a typed index and the other is the actual record. If you want me to scan it to this site, you'll have to walk me through it. I'm still learning to navagate :) |
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| − | Tim:
| + | Colleen |
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| − | Thanks for pointing out that "feature" of rollbacks.
| + | == Wikipedia Books == |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 10:33, 28 February 2006 (CST)
| + | Tim, |
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| − | == Pierce Edit ==
| + | There are several questions to which I don't know the answers. For example, if you implemented this, would there be a capability to import pages from other wikis, such as Wikipedia itself, in addition to pages from the WRG wiki? If so, or even if not, this could, indeed, have some benefit for our members, in my opinion. I can envision creating a book entitled, "Our Whitney Lineage", or "Our Whitney Cousins". |
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| − | Tim:
| + | [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 17:00, 11 May 2010 (CDT) |
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| − | I think we should find the source of these dates. If it is a family bible, for example, it should be posted under bibles. If it is from the vital records of Dummerston, it should be posted under vital records.
| + | == Patrick Whitney, II == |
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| − | It makes you want to "protect" these pages.
| + | Hi Tim, |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 15:22, 1 March 2006 (CST)
| + | I have no problem with the edits, I've yet to get the hang of it yet. Do whatever needs to be done to make it right. |
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| − | == Links ==
| + | Hi Tim, |
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| − | Tim:
| + | I found an obituary notice for Patrick Whitney |
| | + | http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney%2C_Patrick_%28c1794-a1850%29 |
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| − | Did you see [[Template_talk:Family Group Record Format#Links|my post on this]]? Probably I put it in the wrong place. Where would be a better place so that all those creating new family group record pages would see it?
| + | I'm not sure who to give the information to. I found the following on the "Washington County Free Library" site. |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:00, 2 March 2006 (CST) | + | Obituary Notice for Patrick Whitney |
| | + | Dated: 9-21-1851 |
| | + | From: Herald of Freedom |
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| − | == Conflict in Links in Pierce ==
| + | '''"Near Four-Locks, on Saturday the 15th inst. Mr. Patrick Whitney, in the 50th year of his age."''' |
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| − | Tim:
| + | Obituary for James Whitney |
| | + | Dated: 8-14-1917 |
| | + | From: Daily Mail Newspaper |
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| − | As I mentioned in an earlier post, sometimes there is a link in the Pierce transcription from a name to the errors page. If we want to link from the name to that person's family group record instead, we have a conflict. In such cases, we could add something like "[ERROR!]" after the name, and make the link to the error page from that word. I think the mechanism is a reasonable solution, but would like your input as to just what to add.
| + | '''"James Whitney, former boatman on the old C. and O. Canal, died at the home of his daughter, Mrs. J.A. Reed, 808 W. Franklin St. from heart trouble, aged 74 years. Besides his daughter, Mrs. Reed, he is survived by the following stepchildren: Mrs. E. O. Diffendaffer, this city; Mrs. Mary Scanland, Baltimore; Charles W. Durborow, this city, and William Durborrow, Sharpsburg. Funeral Friday at 2 p.m. by Rev. G.B. Townsend. Interment in Rose Hill cemetery."''' |
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| − | Could it be as simple as just using the traffic danger sign graphic? If so, how do you create a link using a graphic instead of text? Does <nowiki>[[Archive:Errors in Pierce#67-1|[[Image:danger.jpg]]]]</nowiki> or some similar variant of that actually work?
| + | also: |
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| − | Thoughts, please!
| + | WHITNEY, DENNIS |
| | + | DATE PAPER PAGE/ |
| | + | COL TITLE/SUMMARY |
| | + | 4 Oct 1865 H&TL 1E QUALIFIED VOTERS OF DISTRICT NO…(REGISTERED VOTERS FOR DISTRICT 15 OF WASHINGTON COUNTY). |
| | + | (From the Herald & Torchlight Newspaper) |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 10:15, 2 March 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Error Links ==
| + | WHITNEY, MICHAEL |
| | + | DATE PAPER PAGE/ |
| | + | COL TITLE/SUMMARY |
| | + | 4 Oct 1865 H&TL 1E QUALIFIED VOTERS OF DISTRICT NO…(REGISTERED VOTERS FOR DISTRICT 15 OF WASHINGTON COUNTY). |
| | + | (From the Herald & Torchlight Newspaper) |
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| − | Your solution to the image=link problem is good, but it is very much not obvious that the graphic '''IS''' a link. In HTML, a graphic which is a link gets surrounded by a blue border, just like text gets a blue underline. That way, one can easily recognize that this image is not just an image, but also a link. Your solution lacks this feature. I, for one, would never think of clicking on the danger graphic.
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| − | I rather suppose that the above is not fixable, so I now prefer the idea of using some text for the error link. Perhaps the word shouldn't be "error", but "correction" instead.
| + | 1870 Census-Michael Whitney (District 15) Clearsprings Page 419 |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 12:20, 2 March 2006 (CST) | + | 188, 214, Whitney, Michael, 29, M, M, Laborer, Born-Maryland, (Under if married in the year list month)-Aug. |
| | + | Sarah, 27,F, M, K. house, Born-Ireland, (Under if married in the year list month)-Aug. |
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| − | == Printable Version ==
| + | With the St. Mary's Church record: Michael Whitney (Of Four Locks)married Mary Ellen Payne on 14 Oct. 1858. She must have died and he married Sarah-August of 1870 as per the Census. |
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| − | Tim:
| + | If I should be directing this information to some else let me know. |
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| − | Have you looked at the Printable Version of any of the pages using the <nowiki>{{ref|#}}</nowiki> construct? Yike!!
| + | Thanks for your help! |
| | + | Colleen |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 18:26, 2 March 2006 (CST)
| + | I would take the test, but I have no idea what that "kit" would cost. |
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| − | == Why I Don't Need a Template for "Under Construction" ==
| + | I take random drug tests at work. The test is oral. You keep the test surface between the cheek and gum for 3 minutes, |
| | + | then insert it into a plastic vial, break off the perforated handle then cap the vial. |
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| − | Tim:
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| − | I understand how to make and use templates. I don't need one in this situation because of how I am creating these new pages:
| + | Call me anyway. 903-853-0609 |
| − | # Find a link to the person's page from the parent's page.
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| − | # Click on it, opening a blank edit window.
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| − | # Go to my word processor, where I have my own custom copy of the family group template.
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| − | # Copy the whole file.
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| − | # Go back to the blank edit window, and paste.
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| − | # Edit the file until satisfied.
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| − | # Delete the top two lines.
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| − | # Save.
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| − | # Edit "Robert's Tasks" to record a task as "DONE".
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| − | You see that it doesn't matter whether the "Under Construction" code appears on the top line of my file or whether your new Uc template does. I'm not retyping that line over and over. I actually thought about using one of the colored divboxes rather than what I did, and I may still do so.
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| − | One advantage of doing it this way, rather than using the "Add a new page" link in the navigation box, is that I can't misspell the name of the file I'm adding in the name box. You may have noticed that I have deleted several duplicative files, some of which were inadvertently generated that way.
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| − | My custom template is somewhat different from the one at the web site. In particular, it has twelve children instead of four, and more reference/note constructs. I find it easier to delete extra children than to add more. I may also create a separate one for female heads, with pronouns of the opposite gender and daughter/son swapped, but haven't done that yet.
| + | Grady |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 12:03, 16 March 2006 (CST)
| + | == John Whitney == |
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| − | == Backups ==
| + | Hi Tim, |
| | + | Would you please move John Whitney married to Adaline Mosher to the unconnected section. He is not the son of Nathaniel and Clarissa Hoar Whitney. He could be related to them but not as a son. We have not connected John at this point time. Thankyou Terr |
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| − | Tim:
| + | == Nathaniel Whitney (1800-1838) == |
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| − | Since our method of working has changed with the new website, I realized that I will no longer have a mirror of those files on my home computer. This means that the burden falls on you to do a careful job of backing up those files regularly, also keeping the backups safe (preferably at a different geographic location). I assume you are already doing this, but I would like you to describe to me your efforts in this area.
| + | Tim |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 06:15, 21 March 2006 (CST)
| + | I have just sent a ton of family information, plus two Federal Census extracts, please delete as much as you want...the information was copied from my Coombs family data base. You said you wanted information... |
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| − | == Printable Version ==
| + | Do we know anything about the Whitney's who lived in the Standish/Scarbourough/Portland area of Cumberland County, ME in the late 1700s-early 1800s? I have been trying to link my Nathaniel to this group for years with no success. I think that my Nathaniel may have been the son of the Nathaniel listed in the 1840 Federal Census living in Standish, Cumberland County, ME (page 16) as being 70 to 80 years of age and living with 1f 20-30, 1f 30-40 and 1f 60-70. |
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| − | Tim:
| + | Whitney |
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| − | You wrote
| + | == Andrew Whitney == |
| − | :"Robert: This has been solved. You may need to force a reload of the page to see the change."
| + | Hi Tim; |
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| − | I'm still seeing the problem. Look again. | + | Thank you for your assistance. I admit that I don't have any other resources than Memoirs of Worcester County Vol. II. The author notes that there is no birth record found for Silas Whitney, yet the account seems pretty sure of the lineage. I'm curious what information leads you to dispute the record as given in this account--though in any case my lineage still seems to trace back to John Whitney of Watertown. |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 06:32, 21 March 2006 (CST)
| + | I'm happy to have my Whitney lineage confirmed. I've always been told that we were descended from the Whitneys, and that they made their fortune in Chicago manufacturing. This turns out to be Charles Andrew Whitney, and the Memoirs record was actually written as his biographical sketch. There is some census data available on Charles Andrew, and he may be worthy of his own page on this site, if there isn't one already. |
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| − | == Bull / Baull ==
| + | I'm curious why you removed Charles Andrew's wife, Martha Waters, from my lineage--as written in the Memoirs book. |
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| − | Robert:
| + | Brendan |
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| − | I seem to remember something about a Bull / Baull woman in the information that Paul reed and I were corresponding about. Could you check the file that I sent to you and see what the name of the woman was that ran the inn that the Christopher Marlowe was killed in?
| + | == Andrew Whitney == |
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| − | Thank you!
| + | Tim, |
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| − | - [[User:Tdoyle|Tim Doyle]] | [[User talk:Tdoyle|Talk to me]] 11:52, 21 March 2006 (CST)
| + | Thanks for the note about Crane's identification. There are several reasons why I disbelieve what is written there. First, it is one of those mug books, which are notoriously inaccurate. Secondly, the list of Silas's children is very incomplete, as is data about Silas himself, not even including his wife's maiden name or their marriage record. Thirdly, Andrew was born in 1754 (according to his age at death from the church records in Princeton), four years before the marriage of Silas and Jane in 1758. |
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| − | == Eleanor (Whitney) Bull ==
| + | Onomastics isn't much help here. Andrew did not name a child Silas, Jane, Andrew, or Tabitha. He did name a son Elisha Dana Whitney, and Abraham had a son Elisha who probably married Abigail Dana. |
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| − | Tim:
| + | So if Andrew wasn't son of Silas, who was he? There is an otherwise unaccounted-for Andrew, son of Abraham, who was, indeed, born in 1754. Thus the connection to Abraham. Abraham's family is very interesting. The children seem to have all left home and scattered. |
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| − | I've sent you information on her by e-mail. | + | I hope this is convincing. |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 12:32, 21 March 2006 (CST)
| + | [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 11:47, 28 May 2010 (CDT) |
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| − | == St. Mary Aldermary == | + | == Nathaniel Whitney 1800-1830 == |
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| − | Tim: | + | Tim |
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| − | I love what you've done with that page! Kudos!! | + | The only source that I have for the date of marriage for Nathaniel Whitney & Charlotte Cook is that it is contained in a hand-written family genealogy chart prepared by my grandfather, Frederick A. Coombs, prior to 1904. Since Nathaniel was his grandfather, the presumption is that it came from family papers. Sorry. |
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| − | I also see that Smith and Sanborn made an error in calling the second Mary "Margaret." That settles that! | + | During my search this past weekend, I came up with the following two pieces of Whitney information: |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 16:17, 27 March 2006 (CST) | + | 1. -- The Evergreen Cemetery, City of Portland, ME contains two numbered lots in Section G (#24 & 25) in the name of David Averill with the following interments: |
| | + | [Name; Age; Date of Death]: |
| | + | Caroline W. Coombs 83 Feb. 24, 1915; |
| | + | L. Augustine Coombs 43 1871; |
| | + | Charles W. Coombs 80 Jan. 24, 1940; |
| | + | Charles H. Whitney 57 Sep. 16, 1885; |
| | + | Hannah P. Whitney 1854; |
| | + | J. Frederick Whitney 1870; |
| | + | Nattie Whitney 1854; |
| | + | Charlotte Whitney 1850; |
| | + | Nathaniel Whitney 1838 |
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| − | == Printable Version ==
| + | I'm not sure who all these people are or what David Averill's connection is. |
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| − | Tim:
| + | 2. -- I found four small undated hand-written pages of family information written by Alonzo Cook MD of Los Angeles, Calif: |
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| − | I use Mozilla Firefox v1.0.7. For example on [[Family:Whitney, Benjamin (1643-1723)|Benjamin<sup>2</sup> Whitney]]'s page, in the place where <nowiki>{{ref|1}}</nowiki> is found in the source, I see <nowiki>"[1] (http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney%2C_Benjamin_%281643-1723%29#endnote_1)" </nowiki>(without the quotation marks, all as a superscript) which is, of course, the web address of the place to which the reference points, namely the first note construct, enclosed in parentheses. It is the same after every use of the reference construct. I expected to see only "[1]" (without the quotation marks, as a superscript).
| + | "Sally Whitney mother of Charlotte Cook was a daughter of a Gary, who was sister of Ellbridge Gary, signer of Declaration of In, Vice Pres. when he died. This sister was m. in Marblehead to Grandpa Whitney a merchant of that place. He failed in business but was a very proud man so took his family & 2 slaves & moved to the wilds of Casco Maine and they 2 children -- our grandmother (Rosa's) and one more little girl we children called her big Aunt Jane. |
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| − | Everything else seems acceptable for a printable version.
| + | ***** End of page #1 ***** |
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| − | If you can't eliminate this artifact, I would consider the printable version option to be useless.
| + | "Our grandmother, Sally Whitney, married Hezekiah Cooke whose father was a Scotchman and Dr. Francis Cooke a cousin of ours tells me he was descended from the Cooke of the Mayflower. |
| | + | Alonzo Cook MD |
| | + | Los Angeles, Cal. |
| | + | Member of Board Health |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 19:15, 27 March 2006 (CST)
| + | ***** End of page #2 ***** |
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| − | == My Wiki Expectations ==
| + | "Charles H. Whitney; |
| | + | John d. infancy; |
| | + | Harriet F. Whitney; |
| | + | Mary Caroline Whitney; |
| | + | Rosa A. Whitney |
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| − | Tim:
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| − | I'm glad you asked this question now, since I have seen many of the advantages of this structure. I also see a few disadvantages. On balance, this is a BIG WIN.
| + | Nathaniel Whitney and Charlotte Cook |
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| − | *Ad: Everyone can add information.
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| − | *Dis: There is a learning curve on how to do that, and it's more than many users will choose to learn.
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| − | *Dis: The wiki syntax is quite different from HTML, so even web people have the learning curve (although not as steep).
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| − | *Dis: Someone has to review each change to check the syntax, maintain the correct style, and enforce proper documentation.
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| − | *Ad: You are a wiki guru, and can be consulted in case of questions.
| + | Money in England thru Gerry family |
| − | *Dis: You are the sole wiki guru, as well as webmaster, so there is a huge problem with single-point failure: if you are killed by a meteorite, a tornado, or a snakebite, the web site is in deep trouble. With the old web site, I had a mirror, so could bring up the website in my own web space if necessary, or could arrange for a new host without loss of any data.
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| − | *Ad: Cross-linking between sources and family groups is relatively easy.
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| − | *Dis: Creating family groups becomes a bottleneck. Andaleen is doing yeoman service here!
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| − | *Dis: Documenting the family groups becomes a second bottleneck. I've been working hard on the first three generations, and am almost done. I'm not sure I want to continue into the fourth.
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| − | *Dis: Cross-linking is a third bottleneck. This involves MANY edits of our source material, each minor. I've fallen behind with this on the first three generations, I know.
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| − | *Ad: Templates are good!
| + | Charlotte Cook's brother was Gerry Cook and her maternal grandmother was a Sally Gerry |
| − | *Dis: They are near the end of the learning curve, so only you and I have any chance of writing new ones right now (and I'm not too sure about me!).
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| − | *Ad: The search engine exists, and works well for simple searches.
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| − | *Dis: I am constantly missing a strong search engine. For some searches, I even go back to the old website and use Google, a strategy I devised because the ''old'' search engine was also rather weak. This will become less and less possible as the new web site mutates, and diverges from the old one.
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| − | Features I really like: What Links Here, hiding e-mail addresses, ease of uploading images. I like the idea of a discussion page attached to every page, but I haven't found an effective way to use them yet.
| + | Ephraim; |
| | + | Mary m. _____ Averill; |
| | + | Gerry -- only son Alonzo Cook; |
| | + | Margaret; |
| | + | Jane |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 20:48, 27 March 2006 (CST)
| + | ***** End of page #3 ***** |
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| | + | "Anne; Hezekiah; Zachariah; Daniel; Asa; Moses; Pltiah (sp?) (the last six names are contained within a bracket and labeled "doubt" |
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| − | == Isleworth Parish Register ==
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| − | Tim:
| + | Great grandmother Gerry Whitney lived and died in Casco @ 103-12-20 & was blind several years" |
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| − | I'm quite sure you mean March 25th (Lady Day) and not 21st for the first day of the year. See, for example, [http://www.monticello.org/reports/life/old_style.html this page].
| + | ***** End of page #4 ***** |
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| − | I have made what I think are the appropriate changes to the web page. Since the Gregorian calendar did not exist until 1582, the
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| − | Julian calendar was the only one in use, so writing 1575/6 is anachronistic, and 1575[/6] is probably also improper, so I am leaving it as 1575. For dates after 1582 and before 1752, I have used 1623[/4], for example.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:12, 28 March 2006 (CST)
| + | I hope that this is of use to you. |
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| − | == Importing Status ==
| + | Whitney |
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| − | Tim:
| + | == Thanks for the greeting == |
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| − | I have finished sourcing and cleaning up the first three generations of descendants of John<sup>1</sup> Whitney, and my line to the fifth generation (where the names change to Flagg/Hardy and Billing/Hayward). | + | Thanks for the greeting. So I'll do the data entry but slowly. Today I'm augmenting my John Smith Whitney family group with your information. Had quite an eventful day yesterday with the descendants of George Washington Whitney. Because one grandchild was named Rinaldo I was able to string together some events that read like a plot proposal for a soap opera. I posted the story on my Ancestry.com entry. |
| − | I also have finished converting the Combined Index to Massachusetts Vital Records. | |
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| − | There are some small, miscellaneous tasks left. Whenever I find a link in the Archives which is red, I will try to create a page to turn that link blue.
| + | What do you make of this record Tim? |
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| − | We are running out of big tasks. The next one, in my opinion, should be the Phoenix import. What can I do to help expedite that?
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| − | Another big task which needs a policy decision is what we should do with the photos posted to the old web site. I'd be happy to upload the images, name them, and supply some text, but how will they be indexed?
| + | 1860 United States Federal Census |
| | + | about Richard Whitney |
| | + | Name: Richard Whitney |
| | + | Age in 1860: 35 |
| | + | Birth Year: abt 1825 |
| | + | Birthplace: New York |
| | + | Home in 1860: Ruddell, Independence, Arkansas |
| | + | Gender: Male |
| | + | Post Office: Batesville |
| | + | Value of real estate: View image |
| | + | Household Members: Name Age |
| | + | John Micheal 20 |
| | + | Sidney Vaughn 25 |
| | + | Richard Whitney 35 |
| | + | Nancey Whitney 32 |
| | + | Marcy A Whitney 7 |
| | + | William Whitney 6 |
| | + | Joseph Whitney 4 |
| | + | Amanda E Whitney 2 |
| | + | Marcy A Wilson 30 |
| | + | George A Wilson 1 |
| | + | Hiram Morris 35 |
| | + | Elander J Morris 28 |
| | + | John B Morris 11 |
| | + | Hiram Morris 7 |
| | + | Artemis J Morris 5 |
| | + | Paul Morris 2 |
| | + | Peter Morris 3/12 |
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| | + | It's the only record I find of Whitney's with Moriss'es... This Richard Whitney surely must fit in the Wade Whitney connection somehow... |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 15:45, 1 April 2006 (CST)
| + | == Thanks for the welcome == |
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| − | == Census Index Problem ==
| + | Tim, thanks very much for the welcome and for adding in the links to my Whitney lineage. I admit I haven't researched them as extensively as other branches in my family, but am now motivated to do more in hopes of contributing back to this resource. Best, |
| | + | Sara. |
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| − | Tim:
| + | I have created 4 or 5 pages now the first of which have shown up as links in my ancestral line. I'm proud to be able to contribute. I notice that many older pages have each fact documented in footnotes. I would be glad to do that for my pages but don't know how. Do you have instructions for that and a style sheet for various types of entries? |
| | + | Also, I'm guessing you add the census data that appears at the bottom of some pages. If not, how would I add that? |
| | + | About to start on John Franklin Whitney after I get a bit of breakfast. |
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| − | Have you seen [[Archive:1840 Census Index, New York|this]]?
| + | == thankyou and see below == |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 13:50, 2 April 2006 (EDT)
| + | Did you receive my message about dna for your families and robert L Whitney? |
| | + | Terry |
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| − | == Unattached Families == | + | == Elijah Whitneys == |
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| − | Tim: | + | Tim, |
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| − | What do you think we should do with unattached family groups? In addition to creating a Family Group Record for the family, if we don't know the Whitney parents, should we have some special way to identify such? Would a category be the best way, or a page with links to all of them? How about conjectured identifications?
| + | Your connection of the two Elijah Whitney family groups makes a lot of sense. Of course, if there is confusion in Phoenix, it is because his informants provided that information, and they were living many years after the events in question. Actually, it is surprising to me that we haven't found more inaccuracies in what is presented there. Compare to Pierce's accuracy record! |
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| − | So many questions, so few answers!
| + | I would suggest going ahead with the merging of the two pages, with appropriate discussion in a Notes section. |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 14:22, 3 April 2006 (EDT)
| + | Now that creates another issue: Hannah (Whitney)(Bass) Whitney now is a person a generation older than we previously thought. Can we tentatively identify her and/or her Bass husband with that new age information? |
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| − | == It Finally Happened! ==
| + | [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 12:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Tim:
| + | == Elijah Whitneys, pt. 2 == |
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| − | I have two Mary Whitney family groups, both born in 1744 and last record found in 1788. One married Samuel Whitmore of Gorham, ME, the other Elijah Gibbs and Edward Scott of Westminster and Fitchburg, MA. They would both be listed as Family:Whitney, Mary (1744-a1788). How should we differentiate between them so as to have a unique name for each family group?
| + | Tim, |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 08:26, 8 April 2006 (EDT)
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| − | == Sources in Footnotes ==
| + | See [[Family:Whitney, Elijah (1710-b1741)]] for Rebecca (Seymour)(Whitney) Boughton. I suggest that the Seth whose administration was granted in 1760 was another child of this couple, who died unmarried and without issue, and after whom the younger Seth was named. That would make Seth's administrator his brother, an entirely reasonable situation. |
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| − | Tim:
| + | [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 13:12, 19 July 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Often we have several sources for an event. For example, we have multiple sources for John<sup>1</sup> Whitney's second marriage to Judah (-----) Clements. Of course we cite ''Watertown Records'', which is the best one. What other sources, if any, should we cite? All are probably eventually derived from that one. Putting links from all the sources back to John's page makes sense, but I don't think we need links from his page to all those sources. Thoughts?
| + | == Change of name, Reuben to Stephen Whitney == |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 10:17, 9 April 2006 (EDT)
| + | Because of the latest information of Ruth Boody as wife of Stephen Whitney as found in the "Early families of Limington, Maine" and the incomplete findings of Mrs Frank S. Healey )Eleanor Katherine Whitney, Filed in the Detroit Society of Genealogical Research, a descendant of Remington Hobby Whitney and his first wife Eliza Weaver, daughter of Daniel Wing and Amy (Underhill) Weaver. It is my belief, that Stephen and wife Ruth Boody are the parents of |
| | + | Crosby Whitney, Remington Hobby Whitney, Robert B. Whitney, Nathan W. Whitney, Peter Whitney, above born in Maine, |
| | + | Jane Whitney,b in Conn. Henry Whitney b unk. , Mary Whitney b. New York, Sally Ann Whitney b. New York. |
| | + | From the book "Early Families of Limington, Maine" by Robert L. Taylor under the name of |
| | + | Boody Rev. Robert then child viii is Ruth b. 13 June 1779 at New Durham, NH and married 26 Jan 1800 to Stephen Whitney both of Limington " They moved to Painted Post, Stuben Co., New York. |
| | + | Painted Post is 40 miles south of my to be 3rd great grandmother, Mary Carman. Mary Carman is also related to Amy Underhill, Mary Carman marries Crosby Whitney abt. 1821. Remington Hobby Whitney is found in 1830 Census at Sodius, Wayne Co., New York. |
| | + | I believe that the printing of Hardin Co., Iowa History book printed 1911 has many mistakes |
| | + | and that when my 2nd great grandfather George Whitney b. 12 Sept 1822 in New York, told his story, there was a clerical error, when the name was listed as Reuben and Ruth it should have been Stephen . This stands to reason as others beside myself have never been able to find a Reuben in or from Maine that fit the time factors. |
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| − | == Duplicate Birth and Death Years == | + | == Change of (DNA) #37765 of Reuben to Stephen Whitney == |
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| − | Tim:
| + | Because of recent findings I am asking you to change my family line to |
| | + | living, Earl E., Herman G., Crosby, George, Crosby, Stephen, Phineas, Isaac, Nathaniel, Benjamin, John, Thomas Whitney. |
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| − | I think we can use the day and month of the birth date, say (31 Mar 1744-a1788) versus (19 Sep 1744-a1788). That will work for this case, and probably for any case we are likely to encounter. Of course, there is no guarantee that it'll work ALWAYS ...
| + | == Possible Identification == |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert L. Ward]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 13:19, 11 April 2006 (EDT)
| + | Tim, |
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| − | == Reciprocal Links ==
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| − | I agree that reciprocal links are unnecessary, especially because of the "What Links Here" feature (which I ''really'' like!).
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert L. Ward]] | [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 13:23, 11 April 2006 (EDT)
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| − | == Renaming Files ==
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| − | Renaming a file, as I understand it, involves using the Redirect feature, which you have warned me has problems. My method is to copy the file to one with the new name, then changing all the links to it to use the new name, and finally to delete the old file. I understand that the history is lost at that point, so that has a problem, too. Is there something I have missed, or misunderstood?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert L. Ward]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 08:42, 12 April 2006 (EDT)
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| − | == Importing Photos ==
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| − | Tim:
| + | Check out these two pages: [[Family:Whitney, Elijah (b1750-a1782)]] and [[Family:Whitney, Ebenezer (c1747-a1800)]]. The children of both include brothers Ebenezer and Samuel, and half-brothers Elijah and Joseph. My suspicion is that there was no Elijah, and Ebenezer was the father of the children listed on his page. |
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| − | It seems to me that somehow we should keep the original photos, no matter how large, somewhere. Perhaps the versions we display could be smaller and cropped more neatly, with a link in case someone wants the original picture in all its high-resolution glory.
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| − | I have PhotoShop 5.0 Limited Edition, with which I can create the new versions. What formats (.jpg, .gif, .bmp, ...), file sizes (in kB), and picture dimensions (in inches) would you recommend?
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| − | I would suggest having the original picture in one file, and the more manageable version in a second file. Then we could have a page for the picture, showing the modified picture, accompanying text, and a link to the original picture (with a warning about the size). Finally, we could have an index page, with links to each of the last-mentioned pages above, and a VERY short description as the link. Of course, we have the issue of names for the three files . . . . (I never liked WRG00031.jpg and its analogues, anyway, although it had the advantage of simplicity.)
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| | Thoughts? | | Thoughts? |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert L. Ward]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 10:42, 12 April 2006 (EDT)
| + | [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 01:53, 18 November 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | == Photo Importing Progress ==
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| − | I'm doing this now. I encountered an anomaly at WRG00049, which is alleged to be a death certificate, but is actually an obituary of someone else. Similarly, WRG00051 is mismatched with it's text. Also, the .jpg file for WRG00054 is missing. Should we just change the accompanying text, or should we contact the owner?
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| − | I didn't have a good way to name the photos, so, at least for the time being, I'm keeping the numbering scheme. We can change later if we decide on a different plan.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert L. Ward]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 14:58, 21 April 2006 (EDT)
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| − | ==Real User Names==
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| − | Is there a way to get a list of the real names of all the users and their corresponding usernames? If we want to change the e-mail links on the lineage pages to username links, I think we need that capability.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert L. Ward]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 10:24, 23 April 2006 (EDT)
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| − | ==Bug in "What links here"?==
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| − | When I go to this page [[Image:Cfwhitneygsons.jpg|center|200px]] and click on "What links here", it tells me that no page links to that image. On the other hand [[Family:Whitney, Charles Field (1831-a1900)]] does link there. What gives?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert L. Ward]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 10:34, 1 May 2006 (EDT)
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| − | ==Listings of Pages==
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| − | You've added an excellent feature. Thanks for thinking of it!
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert L. Ward]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 13:24, 3 May 2006 (EDT)
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| − | ==Photos==
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| − | I finished migrating the Photos part of the archives to this web site. I've also created a facility for adding a photo to the archives. See [[Archive:Add Photo]]. I'm very unsure that I did the coding for the text box and button correctly, so please check it out for me. Any revisions or improvements would be gladly accepted!
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert L. Ward]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 13:24, 3 May 2006 (EDT)
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| − | Your listing is nice, but isn't more or less the same functionality available by going to the [[:Category:Vermont]] page?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert L. Ward]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 14:28, 3 May 2006 (EDT)
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| − | The new Vermont page is nice, but you have lost the Subcategory functionality in replacing the old one with it.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert L. Ward]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 14:40, 3 May 2006 (EDT)
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| − | I saw them after you added them today.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert L. Ward]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 14:48, 3 May 2006 (EDT)
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| − | ==Error in Pierce==
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| − | The error has already been linked from the erroneous lineages of the brothers to [[Archive:The Descendants of John Whitney, Errors#213-1]] and [[Archive:The Descendants of John Whitney, Errors#213-2]]. I have just added links from those places to the [[Archive:Who were Calvin and Haynes Whitney]] page for the fuller discussion.
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| − | Any errors found in Pierce should be linked from a [NOTE] insertion at the place of the error, to [[Archive:The Descendants of John Whitney, Errors#PAGE-ORDINAL]]. On that page should be an explanation of what the facts are that contradict Pierce, plus a link back to the person in the text whose treatment contains the error.
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| − | I stopped trying to find ''all'' errors in the middle of page 129 of Pierce, where the family groups of the fifth generation fathers end. Whatever other errors are there are ones concerning the sixth generation sons carried over to their own sketches, such as this one, or others discovered more or less by accident.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert L. Ward]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 20:49, 6 May 2006 (EDT)
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| − | ==Census Index Pages==
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| − | I see that you have been making excellent progress on importing the census index pages. That's great! I noticed that on [[WRG:Website Conversion Project]] you have marked 1900-1930 as DONE, yet on [[Archive:Census Records]] there are no links to any of these except Puerto Rico in 1920. Presumably you meant to put IN PROGRESS instead of DONE.
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| − | Are you just bringing the existing index pages over from the old web site, or are you using Ancestry's indexes, too, and merging the two?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert L. Ward]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:47, 8 May 2006 (EDT)
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| − | ==Nested Templates?==
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| − | Can I call a template by passing its call in through an argument of another template? I was trying to make a two-column footnote template, and pass the contents of the two columns. The contents themselves contained a template for a footnote span tag, number, and text. This failed, probably because I haven't much of an idea what I'm doing. See [[Phoenix Test]] for what I was trying to achieve, but done without templates.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert L. Ward]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 18:48, 11 June 2006 (EDT)
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| − | Many thanks for the interest. I managed to locate the info you mentioned. Many thanks
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| − | ==Printed Version==
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| − | Your suggestion of upgrading to Firefox 1.5.0.4 seems to have worked. Of course, I really don't know why, but who cares?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert L. Ward]] | [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 14:18, 18 June 2006 (EDT)
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| − | == My Photograph ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | I have many much more pressing matters to deal with than posting my photograph on my User page.
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| − | By the way, I see that you have changed the tab label from "edit" to "'''edit this page'''". This is an improvement, in my view.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 13:37, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Sample Page from Pierce ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | A creditable effort! I noticed three things immediately:
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| − | # The name of the page should be "Family:Whitney, James Scolly (1811-1878)"
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| − | # The names of the page links for the lineage should all begin with "Family:Whitney, ...", and likewise for the children.
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| − | # Titles shouldn't be part of the page names. The person wasn't born with them, they may change over time (military promotions, being named a deacon of a church, being knighted, etc.), and one man may hold more than one at the same time (Deacon and Captain, for example).
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| − | It's hard to believe that the entire five-page narrative is a single paragraph!!
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| − | By the way, the categories are well done, but don't conform to the model I have been using. I use <nowiki>[[Category:Massachusetts]] + [[Category:Norfolk County, Massachusetts]] + [[Category:Brookline, Norfolk County, Massachusetts]], rather than [[Category:Brookline, Massachusetts]]</nowiki>. Of course this will be really hard to generate automagically, since the county is not included in Pierce's text. When I generated the Index of Places for Pierce, I had to find out the counties for each town in the index, which I did, with just a handful of exceptions (places I couldn't find in gazetteers and searches). Perhaps you could use that index to help with this situation.
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| − | I also see that <nowiki>[[Category:St., New York]]</nowiki> appears. Probably it comes from "37th St., New York" mentioned in the text. Probably we'll have to replace things like that with <nowiki>[[New York, New York County, New York]]</nowiki>, etc., by hand.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 21:54, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Sample Page from Pierce (cont.) ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | You said, "Titles will be a problem as that's how Pierce has them. I'll have to see if I can pick them out one by one." Here's the main criterion: if the first word of the subject's name ends in a period, it's a title. I don't think there are any names like S. Whitney Phoenix or Sir Robert Whitney as subjects.
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| − | Also, "Also, what county should I add - the county at the time of the event, or the current-day county?" That's a policy issue which I don't believe has a standard solution. I have used the current-day county, as it makes finding a place easier with current maps, and the records are likely to be in the current county seat. It also avoids issues such as towns which existed in areas before there was a county there. It also avoid using "Massachusetts Bay Colony" and "Plymouth Colony" instead of the state of Massachusetts, and the fact that parts of current Vermont were at one time claimed by Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and New York, all at the same time.
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| − | Further comments:
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| − | "5. SubjectName can sometimes be a link to an error page." I have been changing these links, adding the word "[NOTE]" after the name and making that the link. I have finished the first part of the book (through p. 129), which has the most of these, but there are still many left to be done. I'll get started right away on finishing that job.
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| − | "8. Add Childrens' surnames." The surname is ALWAYS Whitney.
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| − | I've just received your e-mail and will be checking out the data. Perhaps I'll have more comments later.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 08:57, 27 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Another Pierce Issue ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | Check out the bottom of page 176. There is an example where the children are arranged in TWO columns instead of one. This occurs occasionally elsewhere. I have no idea how you should deal with this. Possibly it's a hand-edit situation.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:42, 27 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Re: Pierce ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | You wrote: "I dealt with ... improper formatting; improper spelling (Witney, Whtney) ...." If you report these to me, I'll make the changes on the wiki pages.
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| − | You also wrote: "You said 'I have been changing these links, adding the word "[NOTE]" ... I'll get started right away on finishing that job.'" I'm now up through page 206, and will continue as time permits. You continued with, "I guess I should mention that I am using the files originally imported to the wiki, not the current versions." Glad you mentioned that. I didn't understand that.
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| − | You went on, "I had envisioned needing to manually go through the Error page so that adjustments could be made to these family pages (rather than just linking to an explanation). Thoughts?" Now that's something I could usefully do. I'll take that on.
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| − | ALBERT APPLETON (WHITNEY) FAY and other name-change cases were something I had not seen in Pierce heretofore. Always a chance to learn something new!
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| − | "Would you like a fresh one so you're not reporting things that have already been fixed?" Yes, that would be good, thanks.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 11:46, 27 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Pierce Notes ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | # The dates for page names and links are not working right. John<sup>1</sup> Whitney isn't (1659-1673), Joshua<sup>2</sup> Whitney isn't (1635-1666), and Cornelius<sup>3</sup> Whitney isn't (1715-1715).
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| − | # Footnotes in the original are handled badly.
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| − | # When a child's name is a link to the error file, this is handled badly.
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| − | # De-hyphenation reuniting a word split between two lines is still not working well.
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| − | More later.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 17:21, 27 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == More Pierce ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | How about just deleting footnotes entirely?
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| − | Child's name is a link:
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| − | # See Alice, alleged daughter of Joshua<sup>2</sup> Whitney on his page. There is a problem with bolding and the link being intertwined. (Of course, the footnote confuses the matter, but I don't think it caused the problem.)
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| − | # See Moses<sup>3</sup> Whitney, son John<sup>4</sup>.
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| − | De-hyphenation:
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| − | # See the same Alice, under her children, Bath- sheba.
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| − | # Under Benjamin<sup>3</sup> Whitney (1660-1736) [John<sup>2</sup>, John<sup>1</sup>], his daughter Ruth, Ken- Dall.
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| − | I noticed that each of these were inside a link text.
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| − | New problems:
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| − | # See Joseph<sup>3</sup> Whitney (1651-1702) [John<sup>2</sup>, John<sup>1</sup>], end of children. There two children are somehow conflated.
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| − | # Same Ruth<sup>4</sup> Whitney as above, her narrative seems to be messed up somehow.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 21:37, 27 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Pre- or Post-Import? ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | If the only issues we find are related to error-links, then we can fix them manually. There are only a few links from child-number Roman numerals, all having to do with missing children. (I couldn't think of where else to put the link for that kind of problem.)
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| − | By the way, in the wiki version of the transcription, I have now finished making all the error-links be from the string "[NOTE]" inserted in an appropriate place.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 08:44, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Children of Daughters ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | That's perfect! Excellent!
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:39, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | Tim:
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| − | Your list of geographic abbreviations did include all the states except Alaska, which did not appear abbreviated in our transcription on the old web site. Please add to it the following, which I found there:
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| − | 'D/. C/.' => 'District of Columbia',
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| − | 'D/.C/.' => 'District of Columbia',
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| − | 'Penn/.' => 'Pennsylvania',
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| − | 'L/. I/.' => 'Long Island',
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| − | 'L/.I/.' => 'Long Island',
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| − | 'Can/.' => 'Canada',
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| − | 'Ca/.' => 'Canada',
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| − | 'N/. S/.' => 'Nova Scotia',
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| − | 'N/.S/.' => 'Nova Scotia',
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| − | 'Que/.' => 'Quebec',
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| − | 'Mex/.' => 'Mexico',
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| − | 'S/. A/.' => 'South America', [but not S.A.] [but U. S. A. = United States Army !!!]
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| − | 'W/. I/.' => 'West Indies', [but not W.I.]
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| − | There may be more. This is all I could think of and could find. I also found that some transcriber(s) chose to use postal abbreviations (grrrr!):
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| − | 'CT' => 'Connecticut',
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| − | 'IA' => 'Iowa',
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| − | 'IL' => 'Illinois',
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| − | 'IN' => 'Indiana',
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| − | 'MA' => 'Massachusetts',
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| − | 'ME' => 'Maine',
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| − | 'MI' => 'Michigan',
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| − | 'MO' => 'Missouri',
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| − | 'NC' => 'North Carolina',
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| − | 'NJ' => 'New Jersey',
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| − | 'NY' => 'New York',
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| − | 'OH' => 'Ohio',
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| − | 'PA' => 'Pennsylvania',
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| − | 'RI' => 'Rhode Island',
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| − | 'VT' => 'Vermont',
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| − | 'WA' => 'Washington',
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| − | 'WI' => 'Wisconsin',
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| − | I hope this helps.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 07:06, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | Tim:
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| − | The list at Sandbox4 is discouraging. Some is due to Old Style/New Style dates. Some is due to us having more information about birth and death dates that Pierce did, including using "after", "before", "circa", and "say" dates. There's quite a lot of work to do to fix all of those!
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 07:12, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Two More Changes ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | I made two further changes to Sandbox4. Heaven only knows how you'll deal with them! Look for the word "conglomeration" to find them.
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| − | Otherwise, I suppose we're ready to go!
| + | Greetings Tim Doyle: |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 20:59, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
| + | I am Bruce T. Whitney, I have been doing Whitney research on my family tree since the 1960's. I've got a wealth of information and completed family lineages for Horace B. Whitney through to my children. Horace who married Lucetta Frazier 1828. I've got Lucetta's family bible page that tell of his birth and more importantly his death. I've got full history of his family onward.... I'd love to share this as I have had a grand time discovering the history of Horace back to Thomas 1550 and have read with great interest the story of possible links back to 1225 |
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| − | == Some Dates Not Right ==
| + | I can be contacted via email: [email protected] I can put my info on a disc. from Horace B onward.... and I can combine it with the WRG material if you'd like. |
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| − | Tim:
| + | thanks for your time and consideration |
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| − | I see that some dates are converted to 30 Aug 1802 and others are left as Aug 30, 1802. I don't know why that happens, or whether or not you want to correct that.
| + | In searching, |
| | + | Bruce Thomas Whitney (1955) |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 21:36, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
| + | Tim, I'm not sure who I need to talk to about this but I am in the midst of a fued with people in England that had a meeting July, 2008 about the Bayeux Tapestry and the image being Turstin FitzRolf in the scene 55. There is a new book coming out that has changed thet figure to Robert, Williams 1/2 brother. I have written to a few people about this and find it is too late to change the book as it is already set type and being printed by Oxbow, Oxford. If you can help me, please email me marylizlocke@comcast.net. I have more information but I need to know where to go with this. |
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| − | == 130 Years Old! ==
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| − | We'll have to move [[Family:Whitney, Phinehas (1740-1870)]] to [[Family:Whitney, Phinehas (1740-1812)]]. It's interesting to see why that was generated!
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 21:46, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Andaleen ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | I haven't told her, and I don't think you have either. Probably she hasn't a clue. I think you should tell her, since it was your idea and mostly your work, so you have bragging rights! | |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 22:00, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Duplicate Names ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | We have a problem with duplicate page names. See [[Family:Whitney, William (?-?)]] for example.
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| − | Two such pages were generated, and one overwrote the other.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 22:06, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Sewing Together Gens 5 and 6 ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | I began the process, working alphabetically using the Family Groups list.
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| − | I found the first problem at [[Family:Whitney, Abiezer Holbrook (1794-1865)]], whose father [[Family:Whitney, Nathan (1768-1849)]] was given the generation number 1, and no further lineage. AHW was given generation number 2, and his children 3. Now Nathan has a perfectly good page, with correct lineage, and on that page, he has generation number 5. I fixed this particular instance, but surely there are more of the same kind. Here's one: [[Family:Whitney, Abram Hinckley (1817-1851)]].
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| − | The second problem was at [[Family:Whitney, Abner (1807-1888)]], where the page actually contains the information for Zachariah Leach Whitney. Both appear on Pierce p. 412. Abner's is the first family on the page, and Zachariah's is the second. That one I didn't fix.
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| − | I've finished given names A through C. Will continue later.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 06:51, 30 June 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Family Groups ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | Great, well done, and about time. I was starting to worry that it was never going to get done if it depended on me doing 2-10 per week which is about all I've been able to do recently do to work load and some family obligations. I'm on vacation till week of July 9th and will review more then.
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| − | == Mass Edits ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | Prime candidates for mass edits using the bot would be the following sections of [[Pierce Conversion Project]]:
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| − | * [[Pierce Conversion Project#Overwritten Family Data|Overwritten Family Data]]
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| − | * [[Pierce Conversion Project#Lineage Breaks|Lineage Breaks]]
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| − | * [[Pierce Conversion Project#Merged Pages|Merged Pages]]
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| − | As I progress through the sewing, if I find more, I'll put them in those sections.
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| − | Also, I notice that Andaleen has put the generation numbers in lineages outside the links. The bot should replace all instances of<nowiki>"]]<sup>1</sup>" with "<sup>1</sup>]]"</nowiki>, and likewise for generations 2, 3, and 4. Similarly, in her lists of children, she has used <nowiki>" Surname''']]<sup>X</sup>"</nowiki> instead of <nowiki>"<sup>X</sup> Surname''']]"</nowiki>, and <nowiki>" Surname'''<sup>X</sup>"</nowiki> instead of <nowiki>"<sup>X</sup> Surname'''"</nowiki>, where X is a generation number digit and Surname is a string of letters.
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| − | On all the Family: pages you could replace "the Whitney Research Group" and/or "The Whitney Research Group" with "the <nowiki>[[Whitney Research Group]]</nowiki>"
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 10:47, 4 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Half-numbers ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | I've discovered a new source of annoyance! There are many numbers in Pierce ending in " 1/2". I found 21 of these, of which only one is carried forward: 4814 1/2, Eprhaim Whitney. Of course he wasn't caught as the beginning of a family group, nor as a child in his father's family. The other 20 weren't caught as children in their father's family, either. I also found one number ending in " 1/4"! There are also Roman number child ordinals of the form "vii 1/2." I suppose that's to squeeze them in between vii and viii. I found 7 of those. I'll try to check them all out myself.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 10:10, 6 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Comment Line ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | Isn't the removal of the comment line a perfect use of the bot?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 10:19, 6 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Location Categories ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | While you are at it, keep a list of locations which weren't found in the geographic index but were in the import, along with the page numbers where found. We may have to deal with these on an individual basis. That way we can find two- or three-word locations, like Cottage City, Massachusetts, or Fond du Lac, Wisconsin.
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| − | In any case, don't start until we have all the issues from the Pierce Conversion Project done. We may be creating new pages or changing the names of pages during that process.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 10:35, 6 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Census Indexes Versus Census Records ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | I had an idea that the census indexes should be separate from the census record transcripts. This isn't so on the 1790 pages, for example, with the data included directly in the index. This is mandatory for 1850 and beyond, and for the sake of consistency, probably should be so for the earlier years, too. Then we can put anchors at each family group, and make links from the Family Group Records to the records themselves, rather than to the indexes, and from the indexes to the records themselves, as you've done with the 1880 census records. Also reverse links from the records and the indexes back to the Family Group Records can be made.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 11:05, 6 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Location Categories, II ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | Another approach would be:
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| − | * Scan the [[Special:Categories]] page, finding ones which seem to be syntactically ill-formed.
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| − | * Use the geographical index to find ones which may be multiple-word names, and ones which may be misspelled (such as Action, Massachusetts), that don't appear in the index.
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| − | * Invalid categories will have to be resolved individually and manually. A list of these categories could be put on the [[Pierce Conversion Project]] page to be dealt with by us.
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| − | * Deal with possible ambiguities in valid category names (such as Braintree versus New Braintree, Massachusetts), again using the geographical index. This may require a scan of the pages for such a category to determine which of the possibilities apply to each page.
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| − | * For each category with a missing county, use the geographical index to find the county name.
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| − | * Go to each of those category pages, and pick up the names of the pages using that category. That will give you a list of the edits that need to be done for that category.
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| − | * Collect and sort the lists of those edits, creating a master list sorted by page name.
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| − | * Invoke the bot to make all the edits.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 06:47, 7 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Abbreviations and Poston ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | Here are a few I noticed:
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| − | * unm. --> unmarried (may be end of sentence, too)
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| − | * No. --> North
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| − | * So. --> South
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| − | * Theo. --> Theodore
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| − | * U. South America --> United States Army (or U. S. A., as you prefer)
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| − | I did notice Mike Poston's work. Perhaps you could get him to improve the page for Jabez's father, Phineas, about whom he knows far more that Pierce knew. In the process, he might learn the syntax we use. Then he should add pages for the other descendants of Phineas.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 10:28, 7 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Changes Complete? ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | I've finished everything I know how to do on [[Pierce Conversion Project]]. Hooray! I also found all the family groups with two children on the same line, and fixed them, too. Is there anything else to do besides the minor issues and first five generations, or are we actually done?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 21:20, 7 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Pierce Places ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | Should I make any corrections [[Pierce Conversion Project - Place List|there]], or just tell you about them?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:45, 9 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Canadian Counties? ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | I can supply county names for places in Canada. Do we want to do that, or is the province name enough? I notice that some places have them, others don't.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:49, 9 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == John Whitney of Gorsington ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | All you have written is stuff I already was aware of. I agree with everything you said with one exception. I haven't found a credible source for the existence of John Whitney, second son of Robert and Alice (Vaughan) Whitney of Whitney. It was in Carolyn Winch's database, without a source. That makes it somewhat suspect. Certainly there is nothing in Melville to support it. I put it on Robert's page anyway, with hopes that someone could turn up a source.
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| − | There are quite a few other places where I can't confirm what was in that database, too. Who knows where she got her information?! Possibly the LDS web site <gr-r-r-r-r>.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 13:58, 9 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Royal Ancestry of Whitney of Clifford ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | I found the following line:
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| − | # Edward III, King of England (1312-1377), m. Philippe of Hainault (1311-1369)
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| − | # John of Gaunt (1340-1399), m. Katherine Roet (c1350-1403)
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| − | # Henry Beaufort (c1375-1477), had mistress Alice FitzAlan (b1382-b1415)
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| − | # Joan Beaufort (c1403-c1453), m. Sir Edward Stradling (c1389-1453)
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| − | # Sir Henry Stradling (c1424-a1477), m. Elizabeth Herbert (c1427-?)
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| − | # Jane Stradling (?-?), m. Henry Parry (?-?)
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| − | # Miles Parry (?-?), m. Alice Milbourne (?-?)
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| − | # Sybil Parry (?-?), m. James Whitney of Clifford (s1520-1564)
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| − | # the later Whitneys of Clifford
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| − | Alice FitzAlan was herself a descendant of King Henry III. I haven't pursued this much further. It's possible there are other royal connections.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 15:15, 9 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Royal Ancestry of Whitney of Clifford ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | I found the following line:
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| − | # Edward III, King of England (1312-1377), m. Philippe of Hainault (1311-1369)
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| − | # John of Gaunt (1340-1399), m. Katherine Roet (c1350-1403)
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| − | # Henry Beaufort (c1375-1477), had mistress Alice FitzAlan (b1382-b1415)
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| − | # Joan Beaufort (c1403-c1453), m. Sir Edward Stradling (c1389-1453)
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| − | # Sir Henry Stradling (c1424-a1477), m. Elizabeth Herbert (c1427-?)
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| − | # Jane Stradling (?-?), m. Henry Parry (?-?)
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| − | # Miles Parry (?-?), m. Alice Milbourne (?-?)
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| − | # Sybil Parry (?-?), m. James Whitney of Clifford (s1520-1564)
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| − | # the later Whitneys of Clifford
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| − | Alice FitzAlan was herself a descendant of King Henry III. I haven't pursued this much further. It's possible there are other royal connections.
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| − | For the Parry family, see [http://homepage.ntlworld.com/im.griffiths/parryfamilyhistory/parryhome.htm Parry Family History].
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 15:16, 9 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Texas Land Grants ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | Thanks for all the good information. This is great I feel like a man who has been stumbling through a dark tunnel and now I can see a light, and it is not a train. I still havent been able to upload the documents yet. I havent been able to get back to the discussion group page where we fist made contact either. as I use this program more I will be better at it I hope. Thanks again for the info. and I have gotten Lois McCoin on line now too.
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| − | Tex ( Jess)
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| − | I am now tring to send 1 of 8 pages of Whitney Texas land grant documents. as I am on dialup it may take sometime. I hope it goes where it needs to go.
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| − | I sent 2 pics of the land grant front and back. I dont know if they went thru or not let me know if you get them
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| − | these jpg s are large so it may take some time
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| − | == land records ==
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| − | Tim
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| − | We finally got the land grant records on line. One is extremely large. Please let me know if I need to reupload it.
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| − | I have resent it in a smaller version.
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| − | the back page of the land grant has been resent
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| | Thank you | | Thank you |
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| − | I am not sure if you received my last message so here it is again. I have resent the back page of the land grant for Jason Whitney Republic of Texas Land grant
| + | Mary |
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| − | Hi Tim...I am not savy enough to format by myself. I know I need references. They are packed away in a box. I will get to them.
| + | == Warning and Danger == |
| − | Sharon Barnett
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| − | == Family Group Record Creation ==
| + | Tim, |
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| − | Tim:
| + | The file Template:Warning is not working properly. Possibly it is because of the hard-coding of the IP address in the URL for Danger.jpg, but I am just guessing. |
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| − | I tried your form, filled it out completely, and clicked on "Submit". A completely blank white screen came up, and I think the page wasn't created. If you can do it but I can't, perhaps there is a permissions problem. I noticed that the URL of the page ends with "&create=Submit". I suspect you meant "&action=create" or "&action=Submit".
| + | [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 17:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 11:09, 16 July 2006 (CDT)
| + | == Another Issue == |
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| − | == Duplicate Numbers ==
| + | Tim, |
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| − | Tim:
| + | The page [[Whitney Family Groups]] has an issue near the bottom under Australia. |
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| − | I see at the bottom of page 113 and the top of page 114, there are duplicate numbers 1490-1492. Fortunately, the first set on 113 are not carried forward, while two of the second set on 114 are, so there is no conflict in links, page names, nor anchors. I have removed the spurious links. Another 1895 boo-boo.
| + | [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:26, 12 February 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 12:31, 16 July 2006 (CDT)
| + | == George Orrett Whitney == |
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| − | == Creation ==
| + | Hi Tim |
| | + | I am interested in the compositions of G O Whitney. Do you know whether there are any surviving descendants? |
| | + | best wishes from |
| | + | Roz Trubger |
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| − | Tim: | + | Tim, |
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| − | I tried what you said, and it seems to have worked. Thanks!
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| − | Shouldn't the page name start with "Family:"??? When the birth and death dates are blank, shouldn't it supply (?-?) for the year range in the page name?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 13:47, 16 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Created Page Names ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | I understand about cleaning up the submissions, but I think getting the page name right will save a lot of moving of pages to new names. I'm thinking about using it for all the miscellaneous unknown people, where birth and death years are often unknown. I'd have to have to move them all!
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 14:00, 16 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Still a Problem ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | I see the ? defaults. Good work. But now I'm still getting a blank page when I enter a full family group. It may have to do with the length of the URL generated (it's '''really''' long!).
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 14:57, 16 July 2006 (CDT)
| + | I know you haven't heard from me for a while, but the real reason is I am pretty much caught up on all my family, except of course the tie to John Whitney's father and mother. I just wanted you to know that my wife and I are going to do the DNA test next month and was going to ask what the best test for our money is. Also, I want to commend the whole WRG on the help they have given to the many projects that have been done, thanks to your hard work. Thank you and thank you and thank you again. I have been watching you know. I am a school bus driver now in our (!gulp) old age. That hurts. |
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| − | == Thanks ==
| + | Thanks, |
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| − | Tim..you gentlemen are amazing!. Thanks for the assistance.
| + | Arv Whitney |
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| − | Sharon
| + | == Discussion Forums == |
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| − | == Questions == | |
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| | Tim, | | Tim, |
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| − | I have some questions. First why do I have to change my password so much this is the 3rd one so far? Second, how can I add family information and records to the site? Third, can I submit records Marriage, Census, etc. to the site? I would like to have them tied to my page if possible, as the land grant page is. and I have the back page of the Land grant on the log page now small enough to work I think.
| + | Are the Discussion Forums dead? If so, what happened to all the messages posted there? |
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| − | Tex
| + | [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 08:48, 13 April 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | == Isaac Amsden Whitney == | + | == Horace Burnham Whitney == |
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| − | Tim:
| + | Mr. Doyle: |
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| − | Isaac was son of Ami, not brother. I have made corrections to this lineage in two places, on the Image page and on the WRG Photo page. I'm afraid this was my fault, as I created those pages when I imported the Photos directory from the old web site, and I just copied what Denis Adams had posted there (which was wrong). I should have checked the lineages. There could be other problems of the same sort.
| + | I have information of the Horace Burnham Whitney family, and have done extensive research into this direct line. I have the family information for his line up to the present. |
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| − | Should I (can I?) change the lineage on the old web site?
| + | Horace Burnham Whitney was born 9-13-1806 in Lansingburg, NY and died 9-21-1831 aged 25 years and 8 days by drowning in the Mississippi River, 40 miles upriver from Fort Armstrong. According to Lucetta (Frazier) Whitney, his wife's, hand written notation in the family bible. I have a photo copy of the page notation. |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:07, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
| + | I also have the children of his son Horace Burnham Whitney's family listing following the line through to myself, going through Layfayette, Clyde, Thomas and myself Bruce. Taken from census, gravestones, Adams and Hancock Co. ILL records, as well as birth, death and marriage certificates, family notes, bibles and accounts. |
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| − | I am sure it is something that I am doing wrong with the password. I must not be saving it or something.
| + | Thank you. |
| − | I will watch it closer.
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| − | As for the family history, I have more pictures of my Great Great Grandmother Mary E. Whitney Who married Thomas Henry Freer I., their marriage license dated 1873, Census Records on the Whitney Family from 1830, death certificates, muster roles for the Mexican American war, Civil War pay vouchers, Land records, and other materials.
| + | == Ephraim Bennett Whitney == |
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| − | I believe the only way to preserve Family History is to share it. This is my only goal. This site is fantastic and I would like to be a part of it.
| + | Do you have any information on Ephraim Bennett Whitney? |
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| − | I will see if I can locate the pages and begin adding the information that I can there.
| + | == New Main Heading? == |
| − | Thank you for this site.
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| − | Jess
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| − | == Look-Ups ==
| + | Tim, |
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| − | Tim:
| + | We have several pages which are similar, but probably don't fit well under any of our current main headings under Archives: (Extracts, Court Records, Tax Records, Land Records, etc.). I found: |
| | + | * [[Archive:Calendar of Patent Rolls]] |
| | + | * [[Archive:Herefordshire Institution Entries]] |
| | + | * [[Archive:Records from A2A]] |
| | + | * [[Archive:Records in the British Library]] |
| | + | * [[Archive:Records in the National Library of Wales]] |
| | + | * [[Archive:The Langham (Cottesbrooke) Collection]] |
| | + | * [[Archive:University of Nottingham]] |
| | + | * [[Archive:University of Victoria Special Collections]] |
| | + | Perhaps there are others, too. |
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| − | Here are more than you could possibly deal with!!
| + | Would these perhaps fit into some new main heading, or an existing one? Then we could give them some decent breadcrumbs. |
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| − | To augment our Massachusetts vital records collection:
| + | [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 00:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC) |
| − | * Membrino, Marcia L., and Paul A. Russell, eds., ''Paxton, Massachusetts births, marriages and deaths, 1748-1850'', (Bowie, MD : Heritage Books, c1996).
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| − | * Van Antwerp, Lee D., comp., and Ruth Wilder Sherman, ed., ''Vital Records of Plymouth, Massachusetts, to the year 1850', (1993).
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| − | * Stover, Margaret Harris, comp., ''Vital records of Raynham, Massachusetts'', (Plymouth, MA : General Society of Mayflower Descendants, 1997).
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| − | How about the 1798 Direct Tax of Massachusetts records? I don't know what form they are in, but they should be available at the NEHGS Library.
| + | == New Main Heading, II == |
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| − | There are a '''''lot''''' of Maine vital records published that we haven't abstracted yet. There are county-wide marriage return books, of which we have only extracted the one for Cumberland Co. The others are Hancock, Oxford, Penobscot, Waldo, Washington, and York Counties.
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| − | Maine probate records:
| + | How about "Collections" or "Repositories" for the new main heading (as above)? |
| − | * ''Abstracts of Probate Records of Penobscot County, Maine, 1816-1883: Including abstracts of Probate Records from Hancock County 1790-1816 relating to that part of Hancock County set off as Penobscot County in 1816''. Ruth Gray, editor. 616 pp. 38,179 entry Every Name Index. 1993. #1434. $95.00. Picton Press, P.O. Box 250, Rockport, ME 04856.
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| − | * ''The Probate Records of Lincoln County, Maine, 1760 to 1800''. Wm. D. Patterson, editor. Maine Genealogical Society Special Publication No. 6. 448 pp. Every Name Index & Place Index. 1991 (1895). #1177. $39.50. Picton Press, P.O. Box 250, Rockport, ME 04856.
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| − | * ''York County, Maine, Will Abstracts 1801-1858''; Maine Genealogical Society Special Publication No. 27. Compiled by Joseph Crook Anderson II, CG. 2 vol; 1,376 pp. 30,095 entry Every Name Index. 1997. 2 vol set: #1845. $99.50. Picton Press, P.O. Box 250, Rockport, ME 04856.
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| − | Perhaps these Revolutionary military records can be found at Ancestry.com, but if not, we could sure use them:
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| − | * Connecticut. Adjutant-General's Office, ''Record of service of Connecticut men in the I. War of the Revolution, II. War of 1812, III. Mexican War / compiled by authority of the General Assembly, under direction of the Adjutants-General ...'' (Hartford : [Case, Lockwood & Brainard Co.], 1889).
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| − | * Connecticut Historical Society, Hartford, ''Rolls and lists of Connecticut men in the Revolution, 1775-1783''; Collections of the Connecticut Historical Society, v. VIII (Hartford : Connecticut Historical Society, 1901).
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| − | * Connecticut Historical Society, Hartford, ''Lists and returns of Connecticut men in the revolution, 1775-1783''; Collections of the Connecticut Historical Society. vol. XII (Hartford, Connecticut Historical society, 1909).
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| − | * Hammond, Isaac Weare, ed., ''Rolls of the soldiers in the revolutionary war... Published by authority of the legislature...''; Provincial and State Papers, Vol. XIV-XVII, (Concord, N.H.: P. B. Cogswell, state printer, 1885-89).
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| − | * Roberts, James A., Comptroller's Office, New York State, ''New York in the Revolution as Colony and State, a Compilation of Documents and Records from the Office of the State Comptroller'', (Albany, N.Y. : J.B. Lyon Co., 1904). 2 v.
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| − | * Fisher, Major General Carleton Edward, and Fisher, Sue Gray, ''[Maine] Soldiers, Sailors, and Patriots of the Revolutionary War'', 944 pp. (Rockport, ME: Picton Press, 1982). #1324. $55.00. Picton Press, P.O. Box 250, Rockport, ME 04856.
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| − | * Fisher, Major General Carleton Edward, and Fisher, Sue Gray, ''[Vermont] Soldiers, sailors, and patriots of the Revolutionary War'' 672 pp. (Camden, ME : Picton Press, 1998). #1322. $49.50. Picton Press, P.O. Box 250, Rockport, ME 04856.
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| − | * Goodrich, John E., ''Rolls of the soldiers in the Revolutionary War, 1775 to 1783'', (Rutland, Vt. : Tuttle company, 1904).
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| − | Also, there are a huge number of town histories of towns in ME, NH, and VT which have genealogical sections. Some no doubt contain Whitney information.
| + | == Inserting an Image into a Pierce Page == |
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| − | That ought to keep you busy!
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 17:47, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
| + | I have been having trouble inserting an image into a Pierce page. Apparently just putting <nowiki>[[File:Name.jpg|thumb|right|<p class="Plaintext" align=center>Caption.</p>]] is not enough. When I tried that, it shifted all the text at the left out of Pierce-text mode and back into the basic mode. I also tried using a table, even an HTML table, and put the text in the left part and the image in the right part, but the text was still in basic mode, even if I tried <p id="Pierce-text> or <p class="Plaintext"></nowiki> inside the left-hand part where the text is. |
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| − | == How Many? ==
| + | Should we just put a link from the string "[Photo]" to the file with the image in it? I don't like this kind of "solution", but I can't see what else to do. |
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| + | Is this issue related to the one with a table in which the plaintext has different sizes in different cells? |
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| − | This is an interesting exercise. I once investigated the statistical aspect of genealogy, especially the matters of how many ancestors a person living today had at remote times in the past, and how many descendants a person who lived in the past might have living today. It turns out both questions are very difficult in the abstract. The answer to the second question is likely to be, "Zero." A more tractable, but still difficult, question is how many descendants a set of contemporary people might have living today. The larger the group, the more likely one is to be able to say something interesting. Tools used are fertility rates, for those who had children, and rates of death without children, through history. In our case, we could take for that group the U.S. Whitney people living in, say, 1700. One has to take into account the fact that if a father and son were both living then, that all the descendants of the son are also descendants of the father, so cannot be counted for both. Then there is the matter of cousin marriages .... As I said, this is difficult! At the end, one gets statements like, "Given the assumptions _____, the chance that the number is between ___ and ___ is __%," which is not terribly satisfying, especially if the two numbers are far apart. The higher the percentage you pick, the father apart the numbers fall, of course.
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| − | You can see that the very practical approach you have begun is much more likely to yield meaningful results that the more mathematical/statistical/abstract approach.
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| − | You could link to this page from the [[Whitney Surname]] page.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 07:22, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
| + | [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 13:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | == Great Wiki == | + | == Breadcrumbs == |
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| − | You have done a great job on this wiki. I am starting one of my own called wikicpa.com for all this related to being a certified public accountant.
| + | I created "Archive:Repositories" and populated it, then created breadcrumbs for those pages linked from it. That leaves just seven pages without proper breadcrumbs. I am baffled what to do with them: |
| − | | + | * [[Archive:Adrian Notes From NYPL]] |
| − | Where did you get the extension for your discussion forums? It is very similar to what I have been considering paying someone to write for me. Any help would be much appreciated.
| + | * [[Archive:Charles F Whitney Diary]] |
| − | | + | * [[Archive:Herefordshire Institution Entries]] |
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| + | * [[Archive:SP 46/63/fo 76]] |
| − | | + | * [[Archive:Slave Registers of former British Colonial Dependencies, 1812-1834]] |
| − | == Curve Fit ==
| + | * [[Archive:The Chivalry of Cheshire]] |
| − | | + | * [[Archive:The Court Case of Thomas Whitney the Younger]] |
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| − | You have a convincing curve fit. I'm impressed! It seems to me that you could get an actual count of Whitneys by counting the total number of people in Whitney households in the 1790 Census. It might be a bit low, because of Whitneys in non-Whitney households, but that should be nearly compensated for by non-Whitneys in Whitney households. It would be an estimate, but really quite a good one (probably within 1%). Similar remarks apply to 1800 through 1840, of course, but it would be a longer job to do the counts, as there are at least ten categories instead of just three. (I suppose one can ignore the counts of slaves and free blacks.)
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| − | I may be able to do this, via Heritage Quest, even though I don't have an Ancestry.com subscription. Would you want me to try?
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| − | Would you want me to try to get actual counts for some of the early missing years for HOH and total?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:03, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Location Categories, III ==
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| − | I've been going through the Categories and trying to correct some of them that seem wrong. I started at A and am now up through "Castle, New York", which seems to be universally "Seneca Castle, New York" (but there is also a real "Castile, New York" in Wyoming County!). I go to the Category page, and see the list of the pages referring to that category. Then I go to each of those pages and correct the category call at the bottom, meanwhile reformatting things I see which are artifacts of the import, such as the comment on the first line, putting the parents' names in with a link, bolding the wife's name, adding the mother's name before the list of children, changing "1." to "*" in the references, and fixing all the other erroneous categories. Then I save the page, and on to the next. You've patrolled these edits, so you can see my progress.
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| − | This will be a long job, but I think it's worthwhile.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:03, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | Yes, the Bot can do those changes, but if I do them manually, I can do multiple edits at once, thus keeping the size of the database much smaller. Also, much of the editing uses my sense of what "isn't right", including transcription problems, misformatted dates, etc. I'm willing to continue this effort, which will get simpler as I progress, as I won't have to fix more than one error on the same page (hopefully!), having fixed the page at the occurrence of the first one. By the way, I'm changing St. Louis to Saint Louis (and analogues), Mt. Morris to Mount Morris (and analogues), No. to North, So. to South, E. to East, and W. to West, when they are parts of geographic names. I am also undoing some of the Col. -> Colorado transformations that were made in error, when Col. actually meant Colonel! 8^(
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:29, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == African American Whitneys ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | Your new page says that African Americans were first listed on the 1870 census. That's true only for former slaves, and that means almost always in the South. In the North, being free blacks, they appear in the 1850 and 1860 census, too, and if they were heads of households, they appear on earlier ones, as well. I'm not sure how to correct what you wrote, or I would have done it myself.
| + | [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 15:20, 23 June 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | Do we have any (American) Indian [whatever the current politically correct phrase is] or oriental Whitneys?
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| − | Then there is the issue of mulattos. Should they be included in the count of African Americans, or in a separate category?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 17:39, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Native American Whitneys == | |
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| − | I did a search of the 1880 Census of the U.S. for Whitneys by race. I found a total of 16981 Whitneys in our index on the old web site. Using FamilySearch.org, I found:
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| − | * 15 native American
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| − | * 2 oriental
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| − | * 0 Mexican
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| − | I suppose there must be 16981 - 683 - 179 - 15 - 2 = 16102 whites or those with race not given.
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| − | You can enter the 16981 number in your table at [[How many Whitneys?]].
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 07:09, 23 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Location Categories, IV ==
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| − | I've finished going through the categories and making all the changes I could find. I repeat the comment, "I can supply county names for places in Canada. Do we want to do that, or is the province name enough? I notice that some places have them, others don't." If you want me to do that, let me know, and I'll proceed with that. Should I make the changes on the page [[Pierce Conversion Project - Place List]], or on each individual family group record, or some other way?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 18:35, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == thank you for your kind words. ==
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| − | thanks for your welcome on http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Discussion:I_come_in_peace...
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| − | my question is, are there any special modifications (like family tree diagrams) that you have that are not part of mediawiki? thanks!!
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| − | == Canadian Counties, II ==
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| − | I'm in favor of adding county names to all Canadian locations. I'll start, but where do I make the changes? One option is on the family group record pages. Another would be on your master list of places at [[Pierce Conversion Project - Place List]]. There may be other options, too.
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| − | That should keep me busy!
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:29, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Master Place List ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | Is it necessary to regenerate the master place name replacement list at [[Pierce Conversion Project - Place List]] since I have finished working on the categories?
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| − | By the way, have a nice trip! Talk to you when you return.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 06:53, 2 August 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Canadian Counties, III ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | Since I have only identified about 50 Family: pages with Canadian place names, I'll just correct each page, entering county names (but canton names in Quebec, which has them as analogues of counties, just as Louisiana has parishes instead of counties). I can do that in just a couple of days. Then I'll return to Robert's Projects.
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| − | Do we want to put location categories on Mailing List Discussions: pages, too? That seems like a lot of work, but possibly helpful to visitors.
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| − | I think we should wait to run the bot on place categories until after we import Phoenix pages. By the way, what is the status of that effort? I have created a template into which to insert information from newly-scanned pages, but I haven't tried to use it yet. That's partly because I don't know what the name would be of the Archive file containing a particular page of the book. Partly it's because I want to be very sure to be completely compatible with the import results. Partly it's because I've been busy (make that VERY busy!) working on the Pierce import.
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| − | I noticed some examples like this: "... served in County. B, under Capt. Smith, in Colorado. Jones's Regiment ..." They come from replacing "Co." with "County." (instead of "Company") and "Col." with "Colorado." (instead of "Colonel"). In many cases, that was a valid replacement, but in situations like the above, it was over-agressive. I have fixed many of these, but there may be others still lurking around. I can try to hunt for them and correct them, too. I thought you should be aware of their existence.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 10:16, 2 August 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Census Formatting ==
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| − | Yes I would like to add formatting to get the information aligned. If you know what to do immediately to apply it, please do so, otherwise I'll try to review the documentation for formatting tonight and do it later.
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| − | - [[User:Andaleen|Andaleen]] - [[User talk:Andaleen|Talk to me]] 8:32, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
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| − | == Removing a User ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | I think we need a way for people to remove themselves, their preferences data, and so on, and release their Username. I'm sure you could do it manually, but I think people should be able to do it without your intervention. Probably there are ramifications and issues with this suggestion which I cannot imagine, but you can. Let's discuss it.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 11:28, 4 August 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Gary Boyd Roberts ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | You've made good progress. Great!
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| − | No, I didn't know that Roberts had mentioned my new theory in a book. I did know that he was aware of it, in two ways. First, I sent him a copy, which he never acknowledged. Second, I heard of a discussion between Michel Call, Douglas Richardson, and Roberts, about my theory, when Call telephoned me last winter. Call was not enthusiastic about it and Richardson was highly skeptical. Perhaps Roberts has a more sanguine view of it than the other two. Call particularly wanted to point out that the descent from Edward III through Constance Touchet is wrong, and that James Whitney who married Blanche Milbourne was son of his father's other wife, Alice Vaughan, citing Peter C. Bartram's ''Welsh Genealogies''. He suggested that there might still be a royal descent from, perhaps, Henry I, but he didn't supply any details.
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| − | If you can find it at NEHGS, extracting the Whitney data from Bartram's work would be very useful.
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| − | I'd be interested in getting a photocopy of the relevant portions of Roberts's new book.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 14:49, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Fifth Generation ==
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| − | I have just finished the last family group record for fifth-generation male Whitney heads of household. There are still 23 female Whitney heads, and 36 with other surnames, descended through female lines. This is in addition to the 27 fourth-generation plus 92 subsidiary fifth-generation pages that Andaleen was working on, descended from daughters of Joshua<sup>2</sup> Whitney, named Shepard, Jewell, Williams, and Farnsworth. "Only" 178 more pages to create. Progress!
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| − | I've used your form, which is good. I did notice that it gives you 10 children no matter how many you supply, and you have to add children beyond the 10th manually. This may not be worth fixing.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 17:15, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
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| − | There is a gender issue with the form you created. When the head of the family is a male, it is fine, but when it is a female, there are problems. First of all, it refers to the head as "he",
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| − | I've noticed an anomaly with the [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent Changes]] page. Yesterday I created a page called [[Family:Stevens, Thomas(1728-1755)]]. Then I noticed that the name was mal-formatted. I moved it to [[Family:Stevens, Thomas (1728-1755)]], changed all references to it, and deleted the redirect page. Not all these events were recorded in [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent Changes]]. Today a similar situation arose with [[Family:Stevens, Anna (1733-?)]] being moved to [[Family:Stevens, Anna (1733-1811)]].
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| − | What gives?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 12:37, 20 August 2006 (CDT)
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| − | I have encountered the case of Moses Blood (1750-1838), ''not'' a Whitney descendant, who had three wives. All three of them '''''ARE''''' Whitney descendants: Abigail Shattuck (1744-1810), Keziah (Shattuck) Shattuck (1745-1832), and Alice (Shattuck) Wright (1754-1840). There were only children by the first wife. What page should contain the record of his wives and children? What would the policy be if there were children by more than one wife?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 13:13, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Alured de Merleberge ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | If you google "Alfred of Marlborough", you'll find that that was the actual name of [[Family:Alured de Merleberge (s1020-?)|Alured de Merleberge]], and there's lots of information about him and his holdings. He wasn't a Norman at all, but a Saxon, as his name reveals (think Alfred the Great). Why he was favored by the Normans with all those lands is not clear. I leave it to you to modify his page and other references to him, accordingly.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 13:54, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Bayeux, not Bayoux ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | The file [[:Image:bayoux.jpg]] is misnamed. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayeux_tapestry the Wikipedia entry for the tapestry]. You need to delete it and, if you wish, upload a version with the correct spelling.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 17:15, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
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| − | Tim:
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| − | [[Jonathan Whitney Will]] should be renamed Archive:Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, Probate Records. Then a link to it should be put on [[Archive:Probate Records]], labeled |Luzerne County, PA, Probate Records]], 1831. See the similar case for Ontario County, NY, Probate Records, 1881. Credit should be given to the person who supplied it.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 21:32, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
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| − | I have finished making family group records for the last of the fifth generation heads of household, descendants of John<sup>1</sup> Whitney (I think!). This was the work that Andaleen had not finished. Now it's done. There remains a lot of sourcing on the fourth and fifth generations, and adding categories, but at least we have pages for them all.
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| − | In the process, I found a Hannah Whitney who was actually a widow Hannah (Russell) Whiting, and corrected that. Progress!
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| − | Next I think I'll work on the English part of the family, including not only attached people but also others, all before 1700. Any other suggestions?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 13:15, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
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| − | ::I'll get on this one next.
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| − | :2. Research immigrant families to other countries. I've recently done a lot of searching and have made contact with an Australian Whtiney family. I also found Whitneys in South Africa.
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| − | ::I have very little idea how to proceed with this.
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| − | :3. Create archive pages for the military extracts that Ken Whitney has been posting to the mailing list.
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| − | ::Excellent suggestion. I'll put that on my to-do list.
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| − | :4. Trace families from key locations in England from the 1841 census down through the last available census in an attempt to locate living male line descendants who could join our DNA study.
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| − | ::Why not enlist John G. Whitney in Oxford to help with this?
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| − | Here's one for you: Run the bot to modify all the locality Category tags to include county names where they are missing. In all the pages I have done recently, I have been careful to do the categories with county names.
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| − | Here are some HUGE ones:
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| − | # Source all fourth- and fifth-generation pages from John<sup>1</sup>.
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| − | # Make pages for daughters with substantial information on their parents' page.
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| − | I'll add some items to the [[WRG:Website Conversion Project]].
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| − | There remain, of course, the matters of the Phoenix import and the rest of the census pages ...
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| − | I see that [[User:Big Bill Whitney (UK)]] has also registered as [[User:[email protected]]]. One should be deleted, presumably the latter, and anyone trying to access that page redirected to the other. This seems to be an attempt to change his e-mail address. | |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 15:10, 22 September 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Heir Male of the Whitneys of Whitney? ==
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| − | Notice the family of [[Family:Whitney, George (s1526-a1587)|George Whitney]] of Icomb, Gloucestershire. His wife Julyan ----- was named in his nephew's will, and also his son George, Jr. (b. say 1555). The latter m. ----- Savage of Worcestershire, according to the pedigrees in Melville. Now notice [[Archive:Parish Register, Church Iccombe, Gloucestershire, England]]. There is a George Whitney (b. say 1585) with a daughter '''''Julian'''''. Now this can hardly be George, Jr., but it could well be a putative son, call him George, 3rd. Surely with that daughter's name, he is somehow descended from George, Sr.!
| + | I just went through the list of images scanned from Pierce and uploaded. There is one missing. It should be named |
| | + | :File:J. L. Whitney, Pierce, p. 275.jpg |
| | + | Can you get your source for the other images to provide this one, too? If not, the one in my reprint is actually of fair quality, and could serve. |
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| − | If that connection can be made, then George, 3rd, is the heir male of the Whitneys of Whitney, since the lines of all his brothers seem to have daughtered-out. Furthermore, George, 3rd, had sons, including a George, 4th, bapt. 1618.
| + | The odd thing is that it is not included in the List of Illustrations on page 7 of Pierce! Furthermore, it is not clear of whom this is a picture. Possibly it is of James Lewis Whitney, #1984, on p. 279, although the data included there for him is very sparse. |
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| − | If these sons' lines could be followed further, one might be able to trace at least one of them to the present, and get a DNA profile of the Whitneys of Whitney!! Perhaps we should broaden our search from Herefordshire to Gloucestershire.
| + | This is the strangest error in Pierce I have seen yet, and that's saying something! |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 15:17, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
| + | [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 15:38, 23 June 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | == Robert Whitney of Castleton == | + | == Category:Vital Records == |
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| − | If you reread my thesis, you'll see that some of the argument is based on the order of people listed in James Whitney's will as heirs. Thomas Whitney of Castleton and his brother Richard Whitney are in the position of second cousins. That implies that their Whitney ancestor had to be a son of James and Blanche (Milbourne) Whitney, not a brother of James, which would make them third cousins. Admittedly this is fairly thin, but it all hangs together, with no evidence to the contrary.
| + | Today I stumbled on [[:Category:Vital Records]]. Obviously it hasn't been used for the purpose for which you created it. Should we just get rid of it (my preference), or should we spread it onto all vital records pages? |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 19:24, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == The Entail ==
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| − | Tim,
| + | [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 15:15, 18 July 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | What you say has merit. Your solution is viable. I guess I was just using Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation is most likely to be the correct one.
| + | == DNA Testing == |
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| − | It is well-known that the earlier the generation of a visitation pedigree, the more unreliable it is, and the curve is quite steep. Thus we can place very little reliability in what the pedigrees say about the great-great-grandfather of the claimant John Whitney of London (b. 1638), the former being the grandfather of our Thomas Whitney of Westminster. Only when the pedigrees can be supported by viable chronology and contemporary primary sources can they be trusted. For the early generations of the main line, there is such support, based on the descent of the lordship of Whitney. For the cadet lines, there is no such support.
| + | Tim, I was looking at that section earlier this week and considering this option. Not sure i fully understand the "my talk" function, but will try contacting Whitney Keen (whitldna) about the next step. |
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| − | I guess my point is that there is no reason to let the conflicting statements as to Thomas's grandfather deter us from accepting my thesis, as opposed to the solution you propose. We should be very interested in when the ownership of Castleton in Clifford Parish passed out of the ownership of the main line Whitneys. That would give us some indication of what time frame the line of Robert Whitney of Castleton split off that line.
| + | Thanks for the suggestion. |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 20:04, 2 October 2006 (CDT) | + | Brad |
| | + | --[[User:Bradrockwood|Bradrockwood]] 20:50, 18 September 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | == Flourished? == | + | == DNA Testing II == |
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| − | In some cases, we encounter someone whose birth and death dates are completely unknown, but who appears in a dated record. In such cases, is there any need to have a family group record page?
| + | Is Whitney Keen still cordinating testing? I left a "my talk" message a week ago or do I just contact FamilyTreeDNA directly for a test kit? |
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| − | If we do decide to create such a family group record page, the issue of a name for it arises. Librarians often use the idea of saying things like "Geoffrey Whitney, fl. 1552," where fl. is an abbreviation for "flourished". What do you think of using names like "Family:Whitney, Geoffrey (fl1552)", or "Family:Whitney, Geoffrey (fl.1552)", or "Family:Whitney, Geoffrey (~1552)", to handle such cases? Or should we just use "Family:Whitney, Geoffrey (?-a1552)"?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 17:59, 6 October 2006 (CDT) | + | --[[User:Bradrockwood|Bradrockwood]] 20:45, 30 September 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | == Private Page == | + | == Bot Task == |
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| − | The test worked. I'll start posting the draft.
| + | There are many, many links to the NEHGS website. Unfortunately, the URL for that has changed from "www.newenglandancestors.org" to "www.americanancestors.org". Please write and run a bot to make this change everywhere. |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:01, 10 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | Tim,
| + | - [[User:Rlward|Robert Ward]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 20:40, 2 October 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | Let's discuss the article in its own comments page, not in our User talk pages.
| + | == New Page for Mother == |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:59, 11 October 2006 (CDT)
| + | hey tim i made a new family page for my mother, could you please delete the old one: Mayer, Beverly Jeanette (?-?) |
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| − | == Alumni ==
| + | thanks. i texted you last night about our articles -- i see you got lots of work on this site to keep you busy!! LOL. |
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| − | Tim,
| + | i'm crazy busy at work today. |
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| − | In default of any other obvious place, you could link to it from the Miscellaneous page. The only other possibility I see is Biographies, but I don't really like it.
| + | talk soon!!! |
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| − | If we get other data of the same type, like directories of physicians, or clergymen, etc., we could create a category of Professions, or some such name. Then we could link this in, since almost all graduates became clergymen or barristers.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 11:48, 13 October 2006 (CDT)
| + | == Clinton Russell Whitney, etc. == |
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| − | == How to Make Plaintext Small? ==
| + | Hi, I don't have much information about the Whitney family, just what I think is correct. My uncles name is Jimmie Whitney or James and he was born in the 1920s or 30s. Someone wrote me on ansestory and said his name is James Evander Whitney. It was confirmed, she and her husband knew him as kids. They spoke on the phone. She knew all the Whitney brothers. But he couldn't have been born in the 1800s hes still alive. My grandfather was Everett I believe, he was married to Gladys Doucette. He owned an auto body shop with my father Clinton until my dad went to the Army. |
| | + | I would like to know any information family history, but I'm also really trying to find my mother. Stella L. White-Whitney married to Clinton Russell Whitney about 1958. |
| | + | My other uncles were Evie or Everett, and Richard Whitney they both are deseased. |
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| − | Tim:
| + | Thank-You, |
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| − | I want to make the pedigree chart at the end of [[Archive:Whitney's Choice of Emblemes]] in a smaller font. It is inside a p tag making it plaintext. I don't want to put font tags at the beginning and end of every line. How can I do that effectively?
| + | Shirleywhitney |
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| − | I also notice that some of the font tags I have used in footnotes aren't making the text smaller, either. I guess I don't understand changing sizes of text in the wiki paradigm.
| + | == Anna Whitney brickwall BUSTED !!! (a 5 yr effort) == |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 15:37, 14 October 2006 (CDT) | + | Tim, I haven't talked to you in about 2 years. In that time I have visited the LDS Library in Salt Lake City twice and the last trip, in August, I discovered Anna Whitney's parents - ya gotta love Probate Records! She is the daughter of Joshua Whitney (b. Dec 23, 1757 in Willington, CT; d. May 18, 1797 Belchertown, MA) and Dorothy Knowlton of Belchertown, MA. I also found in the record a complete listing of their other children. I also found the probate records for Benjamin Whitney (Willington, CT and Belchertown, MA) who is the father of Joshua. I would like your recommendations on how best to get all this information loaded into the WRG site. I am looking to do much more on this effort in the coming winter months. I can enter the information as I did before with the sources identified and hopefully you are able to adjust any mistakes. I haven't "published" any of this information yet but I am in the process of creating a website using TNG (another learning experience!). I really want to get this on the WRG site first since it has been extremely helpful in my search. |
| | + | Thanks, |
| | + | Doug Wood |
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| − | == How to Make Plaintext Small, Again == | + | == Re: Your DNA Results == |
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| | Tim, | | Tim, |
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| − | This didn't work as desired. See the pedigree at the bottom of the page. I guess either I need more help, or I need you to edit the page until it works. Replacing div id="Lineages" with p id="Plaintext" (and /div with /p) makes the table look right, but not smaller.
| + | Thanks for the words of encouragement. I hadn’t really considered an immigrant from a later date angle. I’ll keep looking, perhaps not as intensely for a while, but I’ll keep looking. After all, we Whitney’s don’t give up! |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 17:17, 14 October 2006 (CDT)
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| − | == Footnotes Smaller, Too? ==
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| − | Tim,
| + | I assume if I checked all the boxes correctly on FamilyTreeDNA.com, someone will be receiving a copy of my results and posting them. If they don’t get a copy, we can work out an alternate arrangement of sending in the results. |
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| − | You'll see on the same web page, at the bottom of each of the transcribed pages lxxxii, lxxxv, and lxxxvii, appears a footnote, begun with an asterisk. Please explain why putting "font size=2" tags didn't work, and tell me what will work to make the footnotes appear in a smaller text than the rest.
| + | Thanks again! |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 18:11, 14 October 2006 (CDT)
| + | [[User:Bradrockwood|Brad]] - [[User talk:Bradrockwood|my talk]] |
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| − | == Footnotes Smaller, Too, Again == | + | == Immigrant Research == |
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| | Tim, | | Tim, |
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| − | When I used font size=2 on the title page, it worked fine. Why did it work there and not in the footnotes?
| + | I’ve been thinking more about what you said about immigrants other than the well-known families being a possible source for my family. I don’t know why I didn’t think of that; guess I still have a lot to learn about genealogy. For all I really know, Daniel could be the immigrant himself despite what his bible record says except there isn't a Daniel in the list. |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 18:23, 14 October 2006 (CDT)
| + | Can you provide some guidance on how to go about such research? I’ve looked over the various lists, but noticed there are no links to family pages. Does this mean we don’t know anything about them or that there just isn’t a link? I guess I haven’t looked at enough family pages to know if some include immigration records. |
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| − | == Footnotes Smaller, Yet Again ==
| + | Thoughts? |
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| − | Tim,
| + | [[User:Bradrockwood|Brad]] - [[User talk:Bradrockwood|my talk]] |
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| − | Using "font size=-1" didn't work, either. The only thing I found that worked was "font size=1", so I used that.
| + | == Jason Frost Whitney and my grandmother Mary Winona Whitney == |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 18:38, 14 October 2006 (CDT)
| + | I'm sorry...but I just can't seem to catch on to the methods of adding onto my line on here. |
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| − | == Problem with File ==
| + | It would the same for me (with Jason and Mary) as Durrell has. Can you copy the info on my line for me. |
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| − | Tim,
| + | I'm afraid my technology genealogy days or pretty much over. Thanks...Tricia |
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| − | There is a problem with the file <nowiki>Image:Will of Robert Whitney, 1541.jpg</nowiki>. I can include it in a web page using the usual construct <nowiki>[[Image:Will of Robert Whitney, 1541.jpg]]</nowiki>. I can also use <nowiki>[[Image:Will of Robert Whitney, 1541.jpg|thumb|400px]]</nowiki>. I can't use <nowiki>[[Image:Will of Robert Whitney, 1541.jpg|thumb|500px]]</nowiki>. When I use either version that works, and click on the image (which is a link, too), I get a totally blank screen. I can't delete the file, nor does reloading it seem to help.
| + | == Found Baby Book on some Whitneys == |
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| − | Can you straighten out this mess? If not, can you delete the file and let me upload a new version, thus hopefully rectifying the situation?
| + | Eunice Douette is my Great Grandmother J Douette is my Great Grandfather (I thought Doucette had a C in it? |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 08:14, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
| + | :Gladys Marie Douette is my Grandmother |
| | + | :Clinton Russell Whitney is my Father |
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| − | == Can One Post a .pdf File? ==
| + | Carre Johnson is my Great Grandmother James Whitney is my Great Grandfather |
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| − | Tim:
| + | :Grandfather is Everett Whitney |
| | + | :Father is Clinton Russell Whitney |
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| − | I've been thinking about how to post the index to the Whitney and Clifford Manor documents. They came to us from Adrian as a large .pdf file. I don't want to print it out and do OCR on the pages. I'd rather just post it directly, but I don't know if that could work, or how to do it if it could. Any ideas?
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 20:16, 3 November 2006 (CST)
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| − | Perhaps a better temporary measure would be to post it on the OLD website, and make a link to it from the new one. Asking for a volunteer sounds good!
| + | Please fix the [[Template:Warning|Warning! template]]. The graphic is missing. |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:16, 5 November 2006 (CST) | + | - [[User:Rlward|Robert Ward]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 07:39, 2 May 2012 (CDT) |
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| − | == Tree Template == | + | == original deed to Shadrack Whitney == |
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| − | Tim:
| + | hello |
| | + | MY name is Alfred Tambling and i have the original deed that shows that Jereniah Ball sold a lott of land to your ancestor Shadrack Whitny.The deed is from 1739 and the town is townshend Mass and written in the old English.this document is in remarkable condition for being almost 300 years old.It was sold to him for the price of twenty pounds and still refers to the king as the owner of the said providence.So if there is anyinterest in this you may reach me at 802-885-5177 thanks so much for your time Alfred |
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| − | It seems to me to be just as much work to use this template as to draw the tree using ASCII characters, but the results are much prettier. I read some of the comments, and I agree that marriages should be designated with a double solid line, not a single dashed line. That means that more tiles would have to be designed and labeled by some single characters.
| + | == Getting in Touch == |
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| − | My net reaction is that this isn't worth the trouble, but I am not adamant about that view.
| + | You seem to be the source by which I've come across a certain Kiko Whitney. I am the brother of Kiko's biological mother and perhaps he may be interested in finding out more about her. I've left a message in the User talk and had sent an email. To date I have not received any notice. Is there any other way to communicate with Kiko? Thanks |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 21:36, 12 November 2006 (CST)
| + | Richard James Whitney |
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| − | == Two Chronology Issues == | + | == Discussion Forums, II == |
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| − | Tim: | + | Tim, |
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| − | 1. You wrote, " ... this would mean that his eldest son Robert was still living in 1645, but we have him listed as having died before 1638. Do you know why we have him listed thus?" Yes. It comes from the matriculation records of his younger brothers. If Constantine was second son in 1638, then Thomas, the eventual heir, must have been the first son, so all older sons must have died before that date, including Robert. There seems to have been a clerical error, either in the index, or, more likely, in the original document, and it should have said '''''Thomas''''' Whitney, esq., son and heir.
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| − | 2. You wrote, "If the Eustace Whitney who married Elizabeth Freville in 1301 was actually [[Family:Whitney, Eustace de (c1287-c1352)|Eustace de Whitney (c1287-c1352)]], then he had to have been born before our estimated date of 1287. Either we have this Eustace's birthyear too late, or this marriage was a second marriage for his father [[Family:Whitney, Eustace de (s1256-?)|Eustace]]." The birth dates we have for the early generations are rough estimates and extrapolations from the ages of later generations. That means that they are likely to be off by a certain amount. My guess is that Eustace was born somewhat earlier, perhaps 1275-1280, and his father accordingly earlier. That also means that his son Robert probably was born before 1318, perhaps 1302-1307, and later generations might be accordingly somewhat older (possibly enough older to include an extra generation we don't show).
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 17:17, 19 November 2006 (CST)
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| − | Tim:
| + | The "Discussion Forums" link in the navigation box leads to a page called "Discussion Forum Index". From there, I find four links to pages which are not working any more. I suggest deleting the latter page and removing the former link, at least until the forum pages are working again. |
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| − | On the "Recent Changes" page, in the toolbox on the lower left-hand side of the page, are two links, one labeled "rss" and the other labeled "atom". Neither is valid, although I can't say I understand the error message. (Neither do I have any idea what their purpose might be, but that probably doesn't matter.) Please either fix them or remove the links.
| + | - [[User:Rlward|Robert Ward]] - [[User_talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 11:54, 5 February 2013 (CST) |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 12:53, 30 November 2006 (CST)
| + | Hi Tim: |
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| − | == Llores vs Llorde ==
| + | I received DYS#1-37 for my father last year, but they have not been recorded on the site. A relative has inquired about them so I want to make them available to her. Thanks for all you do to enlighten us regarding our ancestry. |
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| − | Tim:
| + | Lorraine B. |
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| − | Looking more closely at the name, I think it actually must be Elinor Lloyde. I have changed the page to reflect that.
| + | == Canada census at Ancestry.com == |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:21, 1 December 2006 (CST) | + | Hi Tim - It's been a long time since I've visited WRG. I, of course, am still looking for family before my William! I have recently concluded a volunteer project that took up a good bit of my time...so now I'm looking for a new project. I see on the to do census list - 1851 Canada at Ancestry.com (World Membership required)along with additional future years. I'm not sure what the World Membership provides but working at West Virginia University I have access to Ancestry.com and, therefore, Canadian census records for 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911. I'm wondering if this will provide the information needed? I think there are 780 Whitney's listed in the 1911 census. |
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| − | == Projects versus Conversion ==
| + | I saw on your facebook page that Whitney Keen has spent 10 years working on the DNA project. Has anyone ever made a connection with the DNA results? |
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| − | Tim:
| + | I really like your facebook pictures of Dallas. One of my bucket list wishes is to live in a big city...I love NYC but it's a little out of my price range. I want to get up in the morning, head for the neighborhood deli for breakfast and to read the newspaper, stop at the local grocer for one days food and use public transportation daily rather than driving myself. I grew up in a very small town - 11 in my graduating class - friends and family think I've lost my mind. |
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| − | I see we have the [[WRG:Website Conversion Project]] page and a [[WRG Projects]] page. I am reorganizing these to reflect the division between converting the old website data to the new one (such as importing the existing Phoenix pages), and organizing the data on the new one (such as adding links between Pierce and the family groups coming from it). I also added a link to the latter on the Main page.
| + | When you get a chance let me know about the Canada census. Thanks. |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 08:54, 5 December 2006 (CST)
| + | CWC |
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| − | == Consolidation? == | + | == Canada census at Ancestry.com == |
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| − | Tim: | + | Hi Tim - It's been a long time since I've visited WRG. I, of course, am still looking for family before my William! I have recently concluded a volunteer project that took up a good bit of my time...so now I'm looking for a new project. I see on the to do census list - 1851 Canada at Ancestry.com (World Membership required)along with additional future years. I'm not sure what the World Membership provides but working at West Virginia University I have access to Ancestry.com and, therefore, Canadian census records for 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911. I'm wondering if this will provide the information needed? I think there are 780 Whitney's listed in the 1911 census. |
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| − | I see that we have two pages that maybe would benefit from consolidation: [[Whitney and Clifford Manuscripts]] and [[Archive:Whitney and Clifford Manuscript Index]]. The consolidated page, perhaps named [[Archive:Whitney and Clifford Manorial Records Index]] should have breadcrumbs at the top, leading back to Archives and what else? Should we create a page for Whitney-on-Wye/Whitney Parish/Whitney Manor? Or would this be an appropriate use of the Category: page? Likewise for Clifford (Village)/Clifford Parish/Clifford Manor? | + | I saw on your facebook page that Whitney Keen has spent 10 years working on the DNA project. Has anyone ever made a connection with the DNA results? |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 09:28, 5 December 2006 (CST) | + | I really like your facebook pictures of Dallas. One of my bucket list wishes is to live in a big city...I love NYC but it's a little out of my price range. I want to get up in the morning, head for the neighborhood deli for breakfast and to read the newspaper, stop at the local grocer for one days food and use public transportation daily rather than driving myself. I grew up in a very small town - 11 in my graduating class - friends and family think I've lost my mind. |
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| − | == Navigation ==
| + | When you get a chance let me know about the Canada census. Thanks. |
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| − | Tim:
| + | CWC |
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| − | What do you think of adding "sideways" links to the Family: pages, leading from each page to the next most senior in genealogical order? That way, one could step through a generation without having to go up the line to ancestors and then back down. This occurred to me because of my list of [[John Whitney Descendants by Generation]], which serves almost the same purpose.
| + | == Whitney Photo #177 == |
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| − | As you no doubt have noticed, I have been working my way through the fourth generation from John<sup>1</sup> Whitney, cleaning up Andaleen's pages and adding place categories. I have NOT tried to source all the data. That remains a HUGE project for the future. I've now completed the grandchildren of John<sup>2</sup> and Richard<sup>2</sup>. Next is the grandchildren of Thomas<sup>2</sup>. Two done, four to go. Then there is the fifth generation, which figures to be about four or five times more work than the fourth.
| + | What happened to Whitney Photo #177 (of my maternal grandfather, Frank. L. Whitney)? I posted it a few years ago and it has appeared until recently. All I seem to access is the copy that accompanied it. |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 16:41, 15 December 2006 (CST)
| + | == Whitney Photo #177 == |
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| − | == Location Categories and Pierce ==
| + | What happened to Whitney Photo #177 (of my maternal grandfather, Frank. L. Whitney)? I posted it a few years ago and it has appeared until recently. All I seem to access is the copy that accompanied it. |
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| − | Adding the categories to the transcription pages does seem silly. Should this be a policy for most or all the Extracts pages?
| + | == Hi Tim == |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 17:41, 16 December 2006 (CST)
| + | Have been off line .... getting back into it |
| | + | see the site nice to know it's still here. |
| | + | How is the DNA research going? |
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| − | == 1880 Census == | + | == Birthdate????? == |
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| − | Tim:
| + | Hi Tom, |
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| − | There is still one link not done on the [[Archive:Census Records]] page: the index of the whole U.S.A. in 1880. Of course it is just a sorted concatenation of all the state indexes, but it still needs to be done.
| + | I was working on my file to add in some more information and came across a problem for Phineas W. Whitney ( son f Phineas and Hannah). |
| | + | I am finding a few different birth dates in records as well as Christning dates. |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 17:45, 16 December 2006 (CST)
| + | One is May 7, 1844 the other is June 14, 1843, both have listed as parents:Phineas Whitney and mother Hannah, also both are for Portland, Maine. |
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| − | == Migrating ==
| + | Can you offer any help. |
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| − | Tim,
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| − | Congratulations on finishing the migration of the census pages!
| + | Thank you |
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| − | As to the U.S.S. Constitution, I suppose we should bring it over, but I haven't been enthusiastic about doing that, since it is fairly tangential to the purpose of Whitney genealogy. There is a connection, of course, I just felt we had more important things to do. If it is the last thing left to do, then I suppose we should do it. <sigh> At least when it and the Phoenix import are done, we could say that we have finished the migration.
| + | == How to find Gen Tree on WRG? == |
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| − | Actually, there is another import that has to be done: the descendant report for Ebenezer and Huldah (Mooers) Whitney of N.B.
| + | Dear Tim: |
| | + | I'm finally trying to report in on my father, Raymond Lloyd Whitney, and mother, Jane McMicken Whitney, and their 3 daughters (I'm the oldest living here in Frisco, TX). Way back when, you and Robert assigned me a username to login. At that time, I saw a Genealogy Tree from the descendants of John Whitney. How do I find that again? |
| | + | Nancy Whitney Doxey |
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| − | Then there is the matter of the databases ...
| + | == Cemetery Photos of Fischer Whitney (1775-1805) == |
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| − | I moved the adding of locality categories to [[WRG Projects]], under Families. | + | Hi Tim, I recently visited the gravesite of Fischer Whitney at the West River Cemetery, Yates County, New York, I have some photos of his gravestone that I would like to put on this website. I am not sure how to do it or who to send the photos to. Can you help me out with this? |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 21:27, 16 December 2006 (CST)
| + | Many years ago I sent some photos of James Watkins Whitney gravesite in Quasqueton, IA but I don't remember how I did it. |
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| − | == Phoenix Page Name Format ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | We have to decide whether we are going to keep the Phoenix pages in groups of five, or split them apart into single pages as you did for the Pierce Project. Once that is decided, we need to settle on the correct format for the names. For Pierce, we used [[Archive:The Descendants of John Whitney, page 99]], for example. For Phoenix, should we use [[Archive:The Whitney Family of Connecticut, page 99]], for example, or [[Archive:The Whitney Family of Connecticut, pages 96-100]]? Or would some other name be appropriate, such as [[Archive:Phoenix, page 99]] and analogue? If we split the book into single pages, probably we would have to subdivide the index page into several parts, not wanting to put 2700+ links on a single page.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 15:35, 21 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Article Notes and Issues ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | Yes, I saw the new note. I don't think we need to change anything. We've referenced the visitation pedigrees multiple times. To do so again seems gratuitous. Perhaps if David Greene wants it, I'll add such a reference, but I think it's unnecessary.
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| − | I've also considered the Issues carefully. I can't really answer any of them, so to include statements to that effect seems not a useful exercise. Again, if David Greene or his reviewers want them addressed, I'll try to do something, but not unless. Also, the article is already over-long, so adding anything to it makes that problem even worse.
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| − | All I'm waiting for is the original pedigrees from England, and I'll submit the article.
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 22:30, 21 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | == Placename Categories ==
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| − | Tim:
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| − | Adding placename categories to Andaleen's pages I consider a part of importing my 6-generation study from the old web site. For other pages, it's a WRG Project. That means it really fits under both topics.
| + | Thanks, my email address is below. |
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| − | - [[User:Rlward|Robert]] - [[User talk:Rlward|Talk to me]] 22:38, 21 December 2006 (CST)
| + | Chris Whitney (Whitnet2950) |
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Albert Russell Whitney family
I have finished updating Albert's family page that you started. It doesnt appear when you do a search from the main page but does show a link to an article for him. Do I have to create another page for him for it to show up or can it just be copy and pasted?
Thanks, Jim
Operator Error
Okay, You can ignore this one Tim, operator error. I wasnt using the search bar properly. Thanks, Jim
Missing Photos
Tim,
Check out Archive:A Family Sketch. There are several missing images there. I cannot find these files in my computer and backups. Do you have copies?
-- Robert - Talk to me 07:49, 9 January 2010 (CST)
Carlos Whitney
Thank you for starting a page for Carlos Whitney. I contacted
the author who had mentioned him in his book and while he
didn't have any new info., he did suggest a couple resources
re: Adirondack Guide History. I will certainly add any info.
I find to the page.
Thanks again,
Sherry.
My William
Dear Tim,
That's him! (Feels silly think of him as 'mine', though I guess he is my 3rd great grandfather!) What we know from history is that the Neil House burnt to the ground in 1860. We find William and his wife & daughters at this time still in Ohio, and William is working as a RR conductor. In 1870 the family lives in Indianapolis, as well as a new addition, little William, age 8 (who was born in Ohio, so we can deduce that the family moved sometime around/after 1862). William (now a 'Sr' of sorts) is employed as a RR Clerk.
We know from "Selected Counties of Ohio 1789-1850, Marriages" that William's daughter Harriet married Frank Bird, and I do have a newspaper clipping from March 14, 1900 detailing the marriage of Harriet's daughter Jessie Holiday Bird to Harry William Griffith (son of Elnora Libby & William Chenowith Griffith). My grandmother's notes declare that Harriet passed away 13 July, 1924. Her daughter Jessie would go on to give birth to Richard Gordon Griffith (1902)and Nancy Bird Griffith (1907). Jessie died in 1957 in Battle Creek, MI. Her daughter Nancy, mother of Jane Griffith Peirce Wood, is my grandmother.
I have correspondence from a genealogical hunt that Nancy and a friend of a friend endeavored back in the late seventies, and they where totally stumped as to Harriet's parentage. It feels good to know that I am at least one step closer to solving the mystery! (And to think - they had to do all the research by hand! Oy! Thank Goodness for computers!)
Thanks you so much for your help and your resources!
Gwendolyn
My Whitney Family
Tim,
Thank you for the welcome, and for looking over what I'd done. I couldn't work out how to link the pages myself, so thank you for doing that. I do have a couple more generations to add on, before we get too close to the present.
I did wonder if mine might connect somehow to the John Whitney of Stoke-Goldington - however, at the moment that almost 300 year gap isn't bridgeable. I have a lot of ideas on how to go further, mostly involving parish registers, but living in outback Australia makes some research quite difficult.
My most recent Whitney ancestor was my great-great-grandmother, Salome, so I don't have any contact with any male Whitney relatives, although there are many in Australia - the family took literally the urge to "go forth and multiply"! There has been a research book published on this Whitney line in Australia - is there somewhere on the site I could add this, as well? I didn't write it, but I do have a copy.
Fascinating site, I'm still finding new things.
Regards,
Fiona
Chicheley Records
Yes, they are on my list of things I want to do, but when I say I live in the Australian outback, I mean outback. The nearest FHC is approximately 7 hours drive away from here. I am hoping for a trip to Sydney in the near future, and will see if I can order films in advance then, but I don't get to the city very often.
This is probably one of the worst places in the world to live for a genealogist, much as I love it for everything else!
Fiona
Thank you
Thank you Tim, for the welcome and the edit on my lineage. The information that I had retrieved of my Whitney lineage, I was unassure of it, however it just seem to continue from the family trees I had seen. However I do hope to discover the parenatge of Thomas Whitney from that point. This research group has been a great help.
Blessings and Thank you,
Shannon Stevens
Problem Page
Tim:
Check out this page: Archive:Some_of_the_Descendants_of_John_and_Elinor_Whitney
There is something very wrong with it!
Robert - Talk to me 14:49, 15 April 2010 (CDT)
Patrick Whitney
Thank you for the welcome. I was just looking at that Patrick yesterday. I'd like to find more documentation between John and Patrick if I could. It's a place to start anyway. LOL
John H. Whitney
Hi Tim,
Thank you for making the page for me, I'm lost, I messed it up, but I think I managed to resave it as it was. Not sure what I did wrong.
Anyway you make a comment about my ancestor John H., his mother being Nancy, this is right. Nancy would before/later ( forget the order) marry a man with the last name Sickles. They had a daughter Margaret Sickles who married an Anderson. I don't have my stuff in front of me, and I don't have a credit card to get back on ancestry.com to get this all straightened out again in my mind.
Having said, I feel that John H. Whitney's father was Richard.
If you look here: At the 1850 Izard county Arkansas census (Izard is a neighboring county to Independence), and close to the
Missouri line (does anyone know what the real boundries were back then? What info can one trust...)
Anyway Nancy gets from northern Arkansas to southwestern Arkansas over the next ten years.
Just remembered she married the Sickles man first, then (must be) Richard Whitney.
Anyway get back to me if you want, I am exicted about this all again!
My Email is [email protected] should you want to contact me that way.
Help needed in sending you information
Hi Tim,
I'm not good at high tech, Do you have an E-Mail address that I could use to send you
a two page letter about Stephen and Ruth (Boody)Whitney descendants, namely the children
of Stephen and their locations. I also am developing a large file on Family Tree Maker
of them, and am wondering how to send it to you.
Gerald E. (Jerry) Whitney
Milford, NEbraska 68405
[email protected]
Asa Whitney of Dutchess Co., NY
Hi Tim
I just went into the connection for Asa Whitney. Yes it is assumed he is the son of Ebenezer and Martha Sherwood. In the 1800 census for Litchfield, Conn Ebenezer is listed and below him is a John Sherwood. Helps to confirm maybe.
Asa's date of birth is August 14, 1804 and he died April 24, 1863. Asa was married to Julia Ann Quick ( this name comes from Sarah Jane's death certificate) b July 4, 1807 in England and died June 7, 1849. He later married Martha Bennett Wilson ( my grandmother who was married to Charles Wilson The Whiteys and the Wislon were next door neighbors.
There are 3 gravestones in the South Amenia Cemetery for Asa, Martha and Charles Wilson.
Marthann was the daughter bor May 5, 1825
Eliza was the daughter born Oct 11, 1827
Idid not see how I could make these corrections
Thank you for you help. We have lots more info on Sarah Jane including death cert.
Geri Zuccarino
[email protected]
Hi agaim Tim
The Dna testing is being done on a male descendant of Stephen Morey Whitney. They hae some of the results which leans to John and Elinor in 1635. The rest of the testing should be finished soon and then I will let you know for sure.
Appreciate the extensive work that is done on this family.
Geri
[email protected]
Maryland John J. & Mary Turner Whitney
Hi Tim,
I wrote to St. Mary's Church in Hagerstown Maryland looking for the marriage record for John & Mary Turner Whitney. http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney%2C_John_J._%28c1828-b1880%29
They didn't have a record for them, but they sent me one for: Michel Whitney marriage to Mary Ellen Payne from Four Locks on 14 Oct. 1858. Witness: Patrick Ryan & John Whitney
I can scan and send the record to you if you want. One page is a typed index and the other is the actual record. If you want me to scan it to this site, you'll have to walk me through it. I'm still learning to navagate :)
Colleen
Wikipedia Books
Tim,
There are several questions to which I don't know the answers. For example, if you implemented this, would there be a capability to import pages from other wikis, such as Wikipedia itself, in addition to pages from the WRG wiki? If so, or even if not, this could, indeed, have some benefit for our members, in my opinion. I can envision creating a book entitled, "Our Whitney Lineage", or "Our Whitney Cousins".
Robert - Talk to me 17:00, 11 May 2010 (CDT)
Patrick Whitney, II
Hi Tim,
I have no problem with the edits, I've yet to get the hang of it yet. Do whatever needs to be done to make it right.
Hi Tim,
I found an obituary notice for Patrick Whitney
http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney%2C_Patrick_%28c1794-a1850%29
I'm not sure who to give the information to. I found the following on the "Washington County Free Library" site.
Obituary Notice for Patrick Whitney
Dated: 9-21-1851
From: Herald of Freedom
"Near Four-Locks, on Saturday the 15th inst. Mr. Patrick Whitney, in the 50th year of his age."
Obituary for James Whitney
Dated: 8-14-1917
From: Daily Mail Newspaper
"James Whitney, former boatman on the old C. and O. Canal, died at the home of his daughter, Mrs. J.A. Reed, 808 W. Franklin St. from heart trouble, aged 74 years. Besides his daughter, Mrs. Reed, he is survived by the following stepchildren: Mrs. E. O. Diffendaffer, this city; Mrs. Mary Scanland, Baltimore; Charles W. Durborow, this city, and William Durborrow, Sharpsburg. Funeral Friday at 2 p.m. by Rev. G.B. Townsend. Interment in Rose Hill cemetery."
also:
WHITNEY, DENNIS
DATE PAPER PAGE/
COL TITLE/SUMMARY
4 Oct 1865 H&TL 1E QUALIFIED VOTERS OF DISTRICT NO…(REGISTERED VOTERS FOR DISTRICT 15 OF WASHINGTON COUNTY).
(From the Herald & Torchlight Newspaper)
WHITNEY, MICHAEL
DATE PAPER PAGE/
COL TITLE/SUMMARY
4 Oct 1865 H&TL 1E QUALIFIED VOTERS OF DISTRICT NO…(REGISTERED VOTERS FOR DISTRICT 15 OF WASHINGTON COUNTY).
(From the Herald & Torchlight Newspaper)
1870 Census-Michael Whitney (District 15) Clearsprings Page 419
188, 214, Whitney, Michael, 29, M, M, Laborer, Born-Maryland, (Under if married in the year list month)-Aug.
Sarah, 27,F, M, K. house, Born-Ireland, (Under if married in the year list month)-Aug.
With the St. Mary's Church record: Michael Whitney (Of Four Locks)married Mary Ellen Payne on 14 Oct. 1858. She must have died and he married Sarah-August of 1870 as per the Census.
If I should be directing this information to some else let me know.
Thanks for your help!
Colleen
I would take the test, but I have no idea what that "kit" would cost.
I take random drug tests at work. The test is oral. You keep the test surface between the cheek and gum for 3 minutes,
then insert it into a plastic vial, break off the perforated handle then cap the vial.
Call me anyway. 903-853-0609
Grady
John Whitney
Hi Tim,
Would you please move John Whitney married to Adaline Mosher to the unconnected section. He is not the son of Nathaniel and Clarissa Hoar Whitney. He could be related to them but not as a son. We have not connected John at this point time. Thankyou Terr
Nathaniel Whitney (1800-1838)
Tim
I have just sent a ton of family information, plus two Federal Census extracts, please delete as much as you want...the information was copied from my Coombs family data base. You said you wanted information...
Do we know anything about the Whitney's who lived in the Standish/Scarbourough/Portland area of Cumberland County, ME in the late 1700s-early 1800s? I have been trying to link my Nathaniel to this group for years with no success. I think that my Nathaniel may have been the son of the Nathaniel listed in the 1840 Federal Census living in Standish, Cumberland County, ME (page 16) as being 70 to 80 years of age and living with 1f 20-30, 1f 30-40 and 1f 60-70.
Whitney
Andrew Whitney
Hi Tim;
Thank you for your assistance. I admit that I don't have any other resources than Memoirs of Worcester County Vol. II. The author notes that there is no birth record found for Silas Whitney, yet the account seems pretty sure of the lineage. I'm curious what information leads you to dispute the record as given in this account--though in any case my lineage still seems to trace back to John Whitney of Watertown.
I'm happy to have my Whitney lineage confirmed. I've always been told that we were descended from the Whitneys, and that they made their fortune in Chicago manufacturing. This turns out to be Charles Andrew Whitney, and the Memoirs record was actually written as his biographical sketch. There is some census data available on Charles Andrew, and he may be worthy of his own page on this site, if there isn't one already.
I'm curious why you removed Charles Andrew's wife, Martha Waters, from my lineage--as written in the Memoirs book.
Brendan
Andrew Whitney
Tim,
Thanks for the note about Crane's identification. There are several reasons why I disbelieve what is written there. First, it is one of those mug books, which are notoriously inaccurate. Secondly, the list of Silas's children is very incomplete, as is data about Silas himself, not even including his wife's maiden name or their marriage record. Thirdly, Andrew was born in 1754 (according to his age at death from the church records in Princeton), four years before the marriage of Silas and Jane in 1758.
Onomastics isn't much help here. Andrew did not name a child Silas, Jane, Andrew, or Tabitha. He did name a son Elisha Dana Whitney, and Abraham had a son Elisha who probably married Abigail Dana.
So if Andrew wasn't son of Silas, who was he? There is an otherwise unaccounted-for Andrew, son of Abraham, who was, indeed, born in 1754. Thus the connection to Abraham. Abraham's family is very interesting. The children seem to have all left home and scattered.
I hope this is convincing.
Robert - Talk to me 11:47, 28 May 2010 (CDT)
Nathaniel Whitney 1800-1830
Tim
The only source that I have for the date of marriage for Nathaniel Whitney & Charlotte Cook is that it is contained in a hand-written family genealogy chart prepared by my grandfather, Frederick A. Coombs, prior to 1904. Since Nathaniel was his grandfather, the presumption is that it came from family papers. Sorry.
During my search this past weekend, I came up with the following two pieces of Whitney information:
1. -- The Evergreen Cemetery, City of Portland, ME contains two numbered lots in Section G (#24 & 25) in the name of David Averill with the following interments:
[Name; Age; Date of Death]:
Caroline W. Coombs 83 Feb. 24, 1915;
L. Augustine Coombs 43 1871;
Charles W. Coombs 80 Jan. 24, 1940;
Charles H. Whitney 57 Sep. 16, 1885;
Hannah P. Whitney 1854;
J. Frederick Whitney 1870;
Nattie Whitney 1854;
Charlotte Whitney 1850;
Nathaniel Whitney 1838
I'm not sure who all these people are or what David Averill's connection is.
2. -- I found four small undated hand-written pages of family information written by Alonzo Cook MD of Los Angeles, Calif:
"Sally Whitney mother of Charlotte Cook was a daughter of a Gary, who was sister of Ellbridge Gary, signer of Declaration of In, Vice Pres. when he died. This sister was m. in Marblehead to Grandpa Whitney a merchant of that place. He failed in business but was a very proud man so took his family & 2 slaves & moved to the wilds of Casco Maine and they 2 children -- our grandmother (Rosa's) and one more little girl we children called her big Aunt Jane.
***** End of page #1 *****
"Our grandmother, Sally Whitney, married Hezekiah Cooke whose father was a Scotchman and Dr. Francis Cooke a cousin of ours tells me he was descended from the Cooke of the Mayflower.
Alonzo Cook MD
Los Angeles, Cal.
Member of Board Health
***** End of page #2 *****
"Charles H. Whitney;
John d. infancy;
Harriet F. Whitney;
Mary Caroline Whitney;
Rosa A. Whitney
Nathaniel Whitney and Charlotte Cook
Money in England thru Gerry family
Charlotte Cook's brother was Gerry Cook and her maternal grandmother was a Sally Gerry
Ephraim;
Mary m. _____ Averill;
Gerry -- only son Alonzo Cook;
Margaret;
Jane
***** End of page #3 *****
"Anne; Hezekiah; Zachariah; Daniel; Asa; Moses; Pltiah (sp?) (the last six names are contained within a bracket and labeled "doubt"
Mother
Great grandmother Gerry Whitney lived and died in Casco @ 103-12-20 & was blind several years"
***** End of page #4 *****
I hope that this is of use to you.
Whitney
Thanks for the greeting
Thanks for the greeting. So I'll do the data entry but slowly. Today I'm augmenting my John Smith Whitney family group with your information. Had quite an eventful day yesterday with the descendants of George Washington Whitney. Because one grandchild was named Rinaldo I was able to string together some events that read like a plot proposal for a soap opera. I posted the story on my Ancestry.com entry.
What do you make of this record Tim?
1860 United States Federal Census
about Richard Whitney
Name: Richard Whitney
Age in 1860: 35
Birth Year: abt 1825
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1860: Ruddell, Independence, Arkansas
Gender: Male
Post Office: Batesville
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members: Name Age
John Micheal 20
Sidney Vaughn 25
Richard Whitney 35
Nancey Whitney 32
Marcy A Whitney 7
William Whitney 6
Joseph Whitney 4
Amanda E Whitney 2
Marcy A Wilson 30
George A Wilson 1
Hiram Morris 35
Elander J Morris 28
John B Morris 11
Hiram Morris 7
Artemis J Morris 5
Paul Morris 2
Peter Morris 3/12
It's the only record I find of Whitney's with Moriss'es... This Richard Whitney surely must fit in the Wade Whitney connection somehow...
Thanks for the welcome
Tim, thanks very much for the welcome and for adding in the links to my Whitney lineage. I admit I haven't researched them as extensively as other branches in my family, but am now motivated to do more in hopes of contributing back to this resource. Best,
Sara.
I have created 4 or 5 pages now the first of which have shown up as links in my ancestral line. I'm proud to be able to contribute. I notice that many older pages have each fact documented in footnotes. I would be glad to do that for my pages but don't know how. Do you have instructions for that and a style sheet for various types of entries?
Also, I'm guessing you add the census data that appears at the bottom of some pages. If not, how would I add that?
About to start on John Franklin Whitney after I get a bit of breakfast.
thankyou and see below
Did you receive my message about dna for your families and robert L Whitney?
Terry
Elijah Whitneys
Tim,
Your connection of the two Elijah Whitney family groups makes a lot of sense. Of course, if there is confusion in Phoenix, it is because his informants provided that information, and they were living many years after the events in question. Actually, it is surprising to me that we haven't found more inaccuracies in what is presented there. Compare to Pierce's accuracy record!
I would suggest going ahead with the merging of the two pages, with appropriate discussion in a Notes section.
Now that creates another issue: Hannah (Whitney)(Bass) Whitney now is a person a generation older than we previously thought. Can we tentatively identify her and/or her Bass husband with that new age information?
Robert - Talk to me 12:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Elijah Whitneys, pt. 2
Tim,
See Family:Whitney, Elijah (1710-b1741) for Rebecca (Seymour)(Whitney) Boughton. I suggest that the Seth whose administration was granted in 1760 was another child of this couple, who died unmarried and without issue, and after whom the younger Seth was named. That would make Seth's administrator his brother, an entirely reasonable situation.
Robert - Talk to me 13:12, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Change of name, Reuben to Stephen Whitney
Because of the latest information of Ruth Boody as wife of Stephen Whitney as found in the "Early families of Limington, Maine" and the incomplete findings of Mrs Frank S. Healey )Eleanor Katherine Whitney, Filed in the Detroit Society of Genealogical Research, a descendant of Remington Hobby Whitney and his first wife Eliza Weaver, daughter of Daniel Wing and Amy (Underhill) Weaver. It is my belief, that Stephen and wife Ruth Boody are the parents of
Crosby Whitney, Remington Hobby Whitney, Robert B. Whitney, Nathan W. Whitney, Peter Whitney, above born in Maine,
Jane Whitney,b in Conn. Henry Whitney b unk. , Mary Whitney b. New York, Sally Ann Whitney b. New York.
From the book "Early Families of Limington, Maine" by Robert L. Taylor under the name of
Boody Rev. Robert then child viii is Ruth b. 13 June 1779 at New Durham, NH and married 26 Jan 1800 to Stephen Whitney both of Limington " They moved to Painted Post, Stuben Co., New York.
Painted Post is 40 miles south of my to be 3rd great grandmother, Mary Carman. Mary Carman is also related to Amy Underhill, Mary Carman marries Crosby Whitney abt. 1821. Remington Hobby Whitney is found in 1830 Census at Sodius, Wayne Co., New York.
I believe that the printing of Hardin Co., Iowa History book printed 1911 has many mistakes
and that when my 2nd great grandfather George Whitney b. 12 Sept 1822 in New York, told his story, there was a clerical error, when the name was listed as Reuben and Ruth it should have been Stephen . This stands to reason as others beside myself have never been able to find a Reuben in or from Maine that fit the time factors.
Change of (DNA) #37765 of Reuben to Stephen Whitney
Because of recent findings I am asking you to change my family line to
living, Earl E., Herman G., Crosby, George, Crosby, Stephen, Phineas, Isaac, Nathaniel, Benjamin, John, Thomas Whitney.
Possible Identification
Tim,
Check out these two pages: Family:Whitney, Elijah (b1750-a1782) and Family:Whitney, Ebenezer (c1747-a1800). The children of both include brothers Ebenezer and Samuel, and half-brothers Elijah and Joseph. My suspicion is that there was no Elijah, and Ebenezer was the father of the children listed on his page.
Thoughts?
Robert - Talk to me 01:53, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Greetings Tim Doyle:
I am Bruce T. Whitney, I have been doing Whitney research on my family tree since the 1960's. I've got a wealth of information and completed family lineages for Horace B. Whitney through to my children. Horace who married Lucetta Frazier 1828. I've got Lucetta's family bible page that tell of his birth and more importantly his death. I've got full history of his family onward.... I'd love to share this as I have had a grand time discovering the history of Horace back to Thomas 1550 and have read with great interest the story of possible links back to 1225
I can be contacted via email: [email protected] I can put my info on a disc. from Horace B onward.... and I can combine it with the WRG material if you'd like.
thanks for your time and consideration
In searching,
Bruce Thomas Whitney (1955)
Tim, I'm not sure who I need to talk to about this but I am in the midst of a fued with people in England that had a meeting July, 2008 about the Bayeux Tapestry and the image being Turstin FitzRolf in the scene 55. There is a new book coming out that has changed thet figure to Robert, Williams 1/2 brother. I have written to a few people about this and find it is too late to change the book as it is already set type and being printed by Oxbow, Oxford. If you can help me, please email me [email protected]. I have more information but I need to know where to go with this.
Thank you
Mary
Warning and Danger
Tim,
The file Template:Warning is not working properly. Possibly it is because of the hard-coding of the IP address in the URL for Danger.jpg, but I am just guessing.
Robert - Talk to me 17:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Another Issue
Tim,
The page Whitney Family Groups has an issue near the bottom under Australia.
Robert - Talk to me 09:26, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
George Orrett Whitney
Hi Tim
I am interested in the compositions of G O Whitney. Do you know whether there are any surviving descendants?
best wishes from
Roz Trubger
[email protected]
Tim,
I know you haven't heard from me for a while, but the real reason is I am pretty much caught up on all my family, except of course the tie to John Whitney's father and mother. I just wanted you to know that my wife and I are going to do the DNA test next month and was going to ask what the best test for our money is. Also, I want to commend the whole WRG on the help they have given to the many projects that have been done, thanks to your hard work. Thank you and thank you and thank you again. I have been watching you know. I am a school bus driver now in our (!gulp) old age. That hurts.
Thanks,
Arv Whitney
Discussion Forums
Tim,
Are the Discussion Forums dead? If so, what happened to all the messages posted there?
Robert - Talk to me 08:48, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Horace Burnham Whitney
Mr. Doyle:
I have information of the Horace Burnham Whitney family, and have done extensive research into this direct line. I have the family information for his line up to the present.
Horace Burnham Whitney was born 9-13-1806 in Lansingburg, NY and died 9-21-1831 aged 25 years and 8 days by drowning in the Mississippi River, 40 miles upriver from Fort Armstrong. According to Lucetta (Frazier) Whitney, his wife's, hand written notation in the family bible. I have a photo copy of the page notation.
I also have the children of his son Horace Burnham Whitney's family listing following the line through to myself, going through Layfayette, Clyde, Thomas and myself Bruce. Taken from census, gravestones, Adams and Hancock Co. ILL records, as well as birth, death and marriage certificates, family notes, bibles and accounts.
Thank you.
Ephraim Bennett Whitney
Do you have any information on Ephraim Bennett Whitney?
New Main Heading?
Tim,
We have several pages which are similar, but probably don't fit well under any of our current main headings under Archives: (Extracts, Court Records, Tax Records, Land Records, etc.). I found:
Perhaps there are others, too.
Would these perhaps fit into some new main heading, or an existing one? Then we could give them some decent breadcrumbs.
Robert - Talk to me 00:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
New Main Heading, II
Tim,
How about "Collections" or "Repositories" for the new main heading (as above)?
Robert - Talk to me 12:51, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Inserting an Image into a Pierce Page
Tim,
I have been having trouble inserting an image into a Pierce page. Apparently just putting [[File:Name.jpg|thumb|right|<p class="Plaintext" align=center>Caption.</p>]] is not enough. When I tried that, it shifted all the text at the left out of Pierce-text mode and back into the basic mode. I also tried using a table, even an HTML table, and put the text in the left part and the image in the right part, but the text was still in basic mode, even if I tried <p id="Pierce-text> or <p class="Plaintext"> inside the left-hand part where the text is.
Should we just put a link from the string "[Photo]" to the file with the image in it? I don't like this kind of "solution", but I can't see what else to do.
Is this issue related to the one with a table in which the plaintext has different sizes in different cells?
Thoughts?
Robert - Talk to me 13:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Breadcrumbs
Tim,
I created "Archive:Repositories" and populated it, then created breadcrumbs for those pages linked from it. That leaves just seven pages without proper breadcrumbs. I am baffled what to do with them:
Suggestions?
Robert - Talk to me 15:20, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Missing Image from Pierce
Tim,
I just went through the list of images scanned from Pierce and uploaded. There is one missing. It should be named
- File:J. L. Whitney, Pierce, p. 275.jpg
Can you get your source for the other images to provide this one, too? If not, the one in my reprint is actually of fair quality, and could serve.
The odd thing is that it is not included in the List of Illustrations on page 7 of Pierce! Furthermore, it is not clear of whom this is a picture. Possibly it is of James Lewis Whitney, #1984, on p. 279, although the data included there for him is very sparse.
This is the strangest error in Pierce I have seen yet, and that's saying something!
Robert - Talk to me 15:38, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Category:Vital Records
Tim,
Today I stumbled on Category:Vital Records. Obviously it hasn't been used for the purpose for which you created it. Should we just get rid of it (my preference), or should we spread it onto all vital records pages?
Robert - Talk to me 15:15, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
DNA Testing
Tim, I was looking at that section earlier this week and considering this option. Not sure i fully understand the "my talk" function, but will try contacting Whitney Keen (whitldna) about the next step.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Brad
--Bradrockwood 20:50, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
DNA Testing II
Tim,
Is Whitney Keen still cordinating testing? I left a "my talk" message a week ago or do I just contact FamilyTreeDNA directly for a test kit?
Brad
--Bradrockwood 20:45, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Bot Task
Tim,
There are many, many links to the NEHGS website. Unfortunately, the URL for that has changed from "www.newenglandancestors.org" to "www.americanancestors.org". Please write and run a bot to make this change everywhere.
- Robert Ward - Talk to me 20:40, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
New Page for Mother
hey tim i made a new family page for my mother, could you please delete the old one: Mayer, Beverly Jeanette (?-?)
thanks. i texted you last night about our articles -- i see you got lots of work on this site to keep you busy!! LOL.
i'm crazy busy at work today.
talk soon!!!
A
Clinton Russell Whitney, etc.
Hi, I don't have much information about the Whitney family, just what I think is correct. My uncles name is Jimmie Whitney or James and he was born in the 1920s or 30s. Someone wrote me on ansestory and said his name is James Evander Whitney. It was confirmed, she and her husband knew him as kids. They spoke on the phone. She knew all the Whitney brothers. But he couldn't have been born in the 1800s hes still alive. My grandfather was Everett I believe, he was married to Gladys Doucette. He owned an auto body shop with my father Clinton until my dad went to the Army.
I would like to know any information family history, but I'm also really trying to find my mother. Stella L. White-Whitney married to Clinton Russell Whitney about 1958.
My other uncles were Evie or Everett, and Richard Whitney they both are deseased.
Thank-You,
Shirleywhitney
Anna Whitney brickwall BUSTED !!! (a 5 yr effort)
Tim, I haven't talked to you in about 2 years. In that time I have visited the LDS Library in Salt Lake City twice and the last trip, in August, I discovered Anna Whitney's parents - ya gotta love Probate Records! She is the daughter of Joshua Whitney (b. Dec 23, 1757 in Willington, CT; d. May 18, 1797 Belchertown, MA) and Dorothy Knowlton of Belchertown, MA. I also found in the record a complete listing of their other children. I also found the probate records for Benjamin Whitney (Willington, CT and Belchertown, MA) who is the father of Joshua. I would like your recommendations on how best to get all this information loaded into the WRG site. I am looking to do much more on this effort in the coming winter months. I can enter the information as I did before with the sources identified and hopefully you are able to adjust any mistakes. I haven't "published" any of this information yet but I am in the process of creating a website using TNG (another learning experience!). I really want to get this on the WRG site first since it has been extremely helpful in my search.
Thanks,
Doug Wood
Re: Your DNA Results
Tim,
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I hadn’t really considered an immigrant from a later date angle. I’ll keep looking, perhaps not as intensely for a while, but I’ll keep looking. After all, we Whitney’s don’t give up!
I assume if I checked all the boxes correctly on FamilyTreeDNA.com, someone will be receiving a copy of my results and posting them. If they don’t get a copy, we can work out an alternate arrangement of sending in the results.
Thanks again!
Brad - my talk
Immigrant Research
Tim,
I’ve been thinking more about what you said about immigrants other than the well-known families being a possible source for my family. I don’t know why I didn’t think of that; guess I still have a lot to learn about genealogy. For all I really know, Daniel could be the immigrant himself despite what his bible record says except there isn't a Daniel in the list.
Can you provide some guidance on how to go about such research? I’ve looked over the various lists, but noticed there are no links to family pages. Does this mean we don’t know anything about them or that there just isn’t a link? I guess I haven’t looked at enough family pages to know if some include immigration records.
Thoughts?
Brad - my talk
Jason Frost Whitney and my grandmother Mary Winona Whitney
I'm sorry...but I just can't seem to catch on to the methods of adding onto my line on here.
It would the same for me (with Jason and Mary) as Durrell has. Can you copy the info on my line for me.
I'm afraid my technology genealogy days or pretty much over. Thanks...Tricia
Found Baby Book on some Whitneys
Eunice Douette is my Great Grandmother J Douette is my Great Grandfather (I thought Doucette had a C in it?
- Gladys Marie Douette is my Grandmother
- Clinton Russell Whitney is my Father
Carre Johnson is my Great Grandmother James Whitney is my Great Grandfather
- Grandfather is Everett Whitney
- Father is Clinton Russell Whitney
Warning Template
Tim,
Please fix the Warning! template. The graphic is missing.
- Robert Ward - Talk to me 07:39, 2 May 2012 (CDT)
original deed to Shadrack Whitney
hello
MY name is Alfred Tambling and i have the original deed that shows that Jereniah Ball sold a lott of land to your ancestor Shadrack Whitny.The deed is from 1739 and the town is townshend Mass and written in the old English.this document is in remarkable condition for being almost 300 years old.It was sold to him for the price of twenty pounds and still refers to the king as the owner of the said providence.So if there is anyinterest in this you may reach me at 802-885-5177 thanks so much for your time Alfred
Getting in Touch
You seem to be the source by which I've come across a certain Kiko Whitney. I am the brother of Kiko's biological mother and perhaps he may be interested in finding out more about her. I've left a message in the User talk and had sent an email. To date I have not received any notice. Is there any other way to communicate with Kiko? Thanks
Richard James Whitney
Discussion Forums, II
Tim,
The "Discussion Forums" link in the navigation box leads to a page called "Discussion Forum Index". From there, I find four links to pages which are not working any more. I suggest deleting the latter page and removing the former link, at least until the forum pages are working again.
- Robert Ward - Talk to me 11:54, 5 February 2013 (CST)
Hi Tim:
I received DYS#1-37 for my father last year, but they have not been recorded on the site. A relative has inquired about them so I want to make them available to her. Thanks for all you do to enlighten us regarding our ancestry.
Lorraine B.
Canada census at Ancestry.com
Hi Tim - It's been a long time since I've visited WRG. I, of course, am still looking for family before my William! I have recently concluded a volunteer project that took up a good bit of my time...so now I'm looking for a new project. I see on the to do census list - 1851 Canada at Ancestry.com (World Membership required)along with additional future years. I'm not sure what the World Membership provides but working at West Virginia University I have access to Ancestry.com and, therefore, Canadian census records for 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911. I'm wondering if this will provide the information needed? I think there are 780 Whitney's listed in the 1911 census.
I saw on your facebook page that Whitney Keen has spent 10 years working on the DNA project. Has anyone ever made a connection with the DNA results?
I really like your facebook pictures of Dallas. One of my bucket list wishes is to live in a big city...I love NYC but it's a little out of my price range. I want to get up in the morning, head for the neighborhood deli for breakfast and to read the newspaper, stop at the local grocer for one days food and use public transportation daily rather than driving myself. I grew up in a very small town - 11 in my graduating class - friends and family think I've lost my mind.
When you get a chance let me know about the Canada census. Thanks.
CWC
Canada census at Ancestry.com
Hi Tim - It's been a long time since I've visited WRG. I, of course, am still looking for family before my William! I have recently concluded a volunteer project that took up a good bit of my time...so now I'm looking for a new project. I see on the to do census list - 1851 Canada at Ancestry.com (World Membership required)along with additional future years. I'm not sure what the World Membership provides but working at West Virginia University I have access to Ancestry.com and, therefore, Canadian census records for 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911. I'm wondering if this will provide the information needed? I think there are 780 Whitney's listed in the 1911 census.
I saw on your facebook page that Whitney Keen has spent 10 years working on the DNA project. Has anyone ever made a connection with the DNA results?
I really like your facebook pictures of Dallas. One of my bucket list wishes is to live in a big city...I love NYC but it's a little out of my price range. I want to get up in the morning, head for the neighborhood deli for breakfast and to read the newspaper, stop at the local grocer for one days food and use public transportation daily rather than driving myself. I grew up in a very small town - 11 in my graduating class - friends and family think I've lost my mind.
When you get a chance let me know about the Canada census. Thanks.
CWC
Whitney Photo #177
What happened to Whitney Photo #177 (of my maternal grandfather, Frank. L. Whitney)? I posted it a few years ago and it has appeared until recently. All I seem to access is the copy that accompanied it.
Whitney Photo #177
What happened to Whitney Photo #177 (of my maternal grandfather, Frank. L. Whitney)? I posted it a few years ago and it has appeared until recently. All I seem to access is the copy that accompanied it.
Hi Tim
Have been off line .... getting back into it
see the site nice to know it's still here.
How is the DNA research going?
Birthdate?????
Hi Tom,
I was working on my file to add in some more information and came across a problem for Phineas W. Whitney ( son f Phineas and Hannah).
I am finding a few different birth dates in records as well as Christning dates.
One is May 7, 1844 the other is June 14, 1843, both have listed as parents:Phineas Whitney and mother Hannah, also both are for Portland, Maine.
Can you offer any help.
Thank you
How to find Gen Tree on WRG?
Dear Tim:
I'm finally trying to report in on my father, Raymond Lloyd Whitney, and mother, Jane McMicken Whitney, and their 3 daughters (I'm the oldest living here in Frisco, TX). Way back when, you and Robert assigned me a username to login. At that time, I saw a Genealogy Tree from the descendants of John Whitney. How do I find that again?
Nancy Whitney Doxey
Cemetery Photos of Fischer Whitney (1775-1805)
Hi Tim, I recently visited the gravesite of Fischer Whitney at the West River Cemetery, Yates County, New York, I have some photos of his gravestone that I would like to put on this website. I am not sure how to do it or who to send the photos to. Can you help me out with this?
Many years ago I sent some photos of James Watkins Whitney gravesite in Quasqueton, IA but I don't remember how I did it.
Thanks, my email address is below.
Chris Whitney (Whitnet2950)
[email protected]
