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Whitney Line

Robert:

Very interesting! I'll see what I can dig up. I found an interesting entry dated 5 July 1608: "Maria, wife of Thomas Whitney, said that T[homas Tenant] had given her husband a pea-sized pill for a mild heat, which had caused excessive vomiting and purging for 3 days and death soon after. T had charged 6s. for the pill. John Fulces corroborated this." on the British History Online website.

This site British History Online has 71 records containing "Whitney"!

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 16:13, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

Robert Whitney

Robert:

Your current thinking is that our immigrant John Whitney's father, Thomas Whitney was the son of a Robert Whitney, a second son of that name in the family of James and Blanche (Milbourne) Whitney. As I was charting out the early Whitney lineage due to your earlier comment, a though occured to me. I started to think about the family of Robert Whitney. I see that he has a younger son named Robert who you estimate was born perhaps about 1473 and who we have no further knowledge of. Now we know that this Robert Whitney had two wives, Constance Touchet and Alice Vaughn. Imagine if his second wife was younger than he was, and imagine a son born when he was quite old. Now if he died while this younger son was still a minor, and if his wife had died as well, wouldn't his eldest son typically then raise his much younger brother? This would mean that James and Blanche (Milbourne) Whitney could have ended up raising a young brother of his. What if your theorized second son Robert was actually the much younger brother of James? This could have led to some of the later generations being confused as to parentage and thus the confusion with the various claims of descent. Even if his younger brother Robert was older than the son Robert, he and his line would not have inherited.

Thoughts? There are probably problems with this idea that I just can't see at this point.

Thanks!

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 17:29, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

Another interesting article

Examination of an 'Earthwork' at Winforton:

The Clifford grant was augmented, probably earlier rather than later in the period 1230 to 1264, by Robert Whitney, lord of Whitney, who granted to Friar Walter the hermit in the Isle upon Wye, all the land with the wood standing on it which lay between the land of 'Domini Eustachii de Stowe' and the wood of Lord Walter Muscegros, to be held by the said Walter (the hermit) and his successors for ever. Although it is not certain which Walter Muscegros is meant, the inference must be that it is the older Walter, who was married to Evet as this grant complements that of the elder Walter's. Therefore both grants would appear to date to the period 1230 to 1234. This grant of Robert's may have been a confirmation, or expansion of an earlier one dated to the wide period 1230 to 1300 whereby Robert Whitney, gave to St Cynidr and Friar Stephen, and his successors in the hermitage, nine acres of land in the old 'Hay, which lay near the land of his brother Eustace 'parson of Pencombe' and the wood of the lord of Winforton, and the Lord Llywelyn ap Llywelyn ab Einion. This grant was afterwards confirmed by Sir Eustace Whitney, Robert's successor.

The Entail

Robert:

It seems as though The Entail of Sir James Whitney of Whitney only suggests that Thomas Whitney of Castleton and his brother Richard Whitney were less closely related than Thomas Whitney of Clyro (who is perhaps a son or grandson of Watkin Whitney of Clyro) and more closely related than James, Frances, and Eustace Whitney (who we think are third cousins through John Whitney of Gorsington. This does not rule out the younger Robert Whitney as also being a son of Robert Whitney as long as he is older than John of Gorsington.

Am I still missing something?

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 19:49, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

Flourished

Robert:

My choices would be either "Family:Whitney, Geoffrey (fl. 1552)", or "Family:Whitney, Geoffrey (?-a1552)". Either of those is fine with me, though I wouldn't have a problem if you used either of the other two examples either. I would say that if we find a record in 1850 with a Whitney that we can't place, we may not want to create hundreds of such group sheets. However, for the early period (medieval) where we have such scant information, this seems to be much more appropriate.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 15:27, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

Robert Whitney's Wives

Robert:

Could you review Family:Whitney, Robert (c1436-1494)? It appears that the order in which we have Robert marrying his two wives, as well as which mothered which of his children is not in agreement with the quotes from Mellville.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 08:43, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

Private area on WRG

Robert:

I believe that I have succeeded in creating an area on WRG that only sysops can view. Since only you and I are sysops, this effectively gives us a location in which we can collaborate without others seeing what we are working on. Take a look at Private:Article. View it when you are logged in, and then log out and attempt to view it again. Will this work? Should we give it a try? We'd probably have to manually enter Adrian's suggestions as you 'approved' of them.

Thanks,

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 08:38, 10 October 2006 (CDT)

Article

Robert:

If you add headings around sections of your article, we can then both edit using the section edit links and have a much less chance of stepping on each other. When we finish, we can remove the section headings. I can add these sections if you'd like, as long as I know you're not currently editing the article.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 12:35, 10 October 2006 (CDT)

Chart

Robert:

I see you're creating a chart in the article. Did you see the chart that I have already created, a little further down?

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 09:47, 11 October 2006 (CDT)

Alfred of Marlborough

Robert:

You previously stated that "Alured" was actually Alfred. I now can see how that happened. As you may know, the letters 'u' and 'v' were interchangeable. With that in mind, Alured = Alvred = Alfred. This was probably something that was instantly clear to you, but it took me a while to understand. I'll update his page appropriately.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 15:21, 11 October 2006 (CDT)

Cambridge

Robert:

See Archive:Cambridge University Alumni. I'm not sure where we should link this.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 10:40, 13 October 2006 (CDT)

How to make plaintext small

Robert:

Take a look at User:Tdoyle/Sandbox5. On this page, I have surrounded the text with a div with an ID of "Lineages". That in itself doesn't change the formatting - it just sets the identification of that division. The 'magic' happens when the Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) are applied. First, the default style sheet information for the skin that a user has set in their preferences is applied. The default is a skin called Monobook, but this can be changed. I have designed the site for use with Monobook however. If Monobook is the skin being used, then after the default CSS is applied, the system loads 'extra' formatting information found on the wiki page located at MediaWiki:Monobook.css. This is where all of our custom formatting is located, and it really makes it easy to change formatting on the system. After this, the system checks for a custom personal CSS that each user can set for themselves. I have not advertised to anyone that they can do this, and I would be surprised if anyone is.

Look at MediaWiki:Monobook.css and about halfway down, you'll see the formatting code for things of ID "Lineages as follows:

#Lineages {
        font-family: Monospace;
        font-size: 90%;
}

This basically says if you display anything with an ID of Lineages, do it in a monospace font (so columns will align) and do it at 90% font size. You could just copy that and add a new set of commands to display at 80%, 75%, or whatever font size you wanted. You could set the font color, or change any other attributes that way too. Call it something other than Lineages - perhaps "RobertFormat" and then simply ID your div section appropriately.

I think that using div id="Lineages" will work for you, but I wanted to give you a little bit of an understanding of what that actually does, and how you can harness that power yourself. At the very least, knowing that the system supports this, you can ask me to set something up for you now that you know if can be done.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 16:48, 14 October 2006 (CDT)

Small text

Robert:

I think you're almost there. You might need to make sure that each line starts with a space in order with it to all work as desired.

Tim

Small text

Robert:

Note that the correct format is <div id="Lineages"> not <div "Lineages">

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 18:13, 14 October 2006 (CDT)

Footnotes smaller

Robert:

If you are trying to make the footnotes smaller, use a font size of -2, not 2.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 18:15, 14 October 2006 (CDT)

Font Size

Robert:

I believe font sizes start with a default size of 1 and larger numbers make it bigger, smaller numbers make it smaller. I see that on the introductory page you were also using font sizes of 5 and such. It could be that the font size of 2 was just smaller than the text in a size of 5. On the other page, you're starting with a default size of 1 and wanting to make the footnotes smaller, so a -1 or -2 would be needed.

I am heading out for the remainder of the evening. Please reveiw the changes that I made to the article.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 18:29, 14 October 2006 (CDT)

Problem with File

I noticed the issue and have been thinking about how to solve it. It's now fixed. I went to another image page, hovered my cursor above the delete tab and wrote down the syntax of the delete link, then substituted in the name of your page. Typing that directly in as an URL allowed me to delete the existing page (after I had downloaded the image). I then reduced the size of the file and uploaded successfully. Then I uploaded the original file and had the same problem, so we know it's related to the size of the file. I then shrunk the file down just a bit, uploaded, and it worked.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 08:48, 20 October 2006 (CDT)

Images

Robert:

I'm watching as you upload and delete the images. I'm wondering if it's something in the format that whatever program you're using to create the images is creating rather than the size. If you could email me one of the images that you have uploaded and know to be a problem, I can look at it.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 10:55, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

New User

In case you missed it, take a look at the new user User:Egwhite and their lineage. They descend from the Norton Canon branch that I added to the site as part of my Herefordshire research! It appears that this branch emigrated to Australia and/or the U.S.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 18:33, 30 October 2006 (CST)

Transcription

Robert:

The image and transcription at Archive:Hereford CRO, Elizabeth Jones alias Whitney, 1601 do not appear to go together.

Never mind - it looks like you realized that at the same time I did.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 06:57, 2 November 2006 (CST)

PDF Files

Robert:

The site currently does not allow for the upload of PDF format files, but I could make a configuration change to allow that. However, the content contained in these files would not be searchable. I would rather ask for a volunteer to transcribe the document, but placing the PDF file online until that happens might not be a bad thing to do.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 09:03, 5 November 2006 (CST)

Emeroy Margaret Whitney limeage

Hurrah! You have hepled me finally solve this family riddle. I have noticed in reading about these ancestors that many of this line were living in East Granville (Hampden County), Mass., possibly beginning with Uriah who may have moved there after marrying Martha Hart (a guess). It is significant to me because the ancestors of Justin W Brewer, who married Emeroy, came from the same town and county before moving to north Ohio (Geauga County). The history intrigues me. Thank you again.

Tree Template

Robert:

I stumbled across this: Familytree Template. Any interest in getting this on WRG?

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 20:29, 12 November 2006 (CST)

Spell Check

Robert:

If you've ever wanted spell check on the site, take a look here: Spell Check Feature.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 20:14, 18 November 2006 (CST)

Two chronology issues

Robert:

1. Whitney Manor Record #60, dated 20 Jun 1645, mentions "Sir Robert Whitney of Whitney, Kt., lord of the manor of Whitney, and Robert Whitney, esq., his son and heir." Now this Sir Robert must be Robert Whitney (1592-1653), but this would mean that his eldest son Robert was still living in 1645, but we have him listed as having died before 1638. Do you know why we have him listed thus?

2. If the Eustace Whitney who married Elizabeth Freville in 1301 was actually Eustace de Whitney (c1287-c1352), then he had to have been born before our estimated date of 1287. Either we have this Eustace's birthyear too late, or this marriage was a second marriage for his father Eustace. Thoughts?

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 15:32, 19 November 2006 (CST)

Editing Flurry

Wow - I am excited that several people have opted to edit right on the site today. I've seen a couple of minor times when people have stepped on each other, but very minimal. As you've probably discovered, the key to getting the pages to look right is to add the div and make sure that all lines (including blank lines) start with a space.

I hope that some of these volunteers decide that they like it and continue to help out on the site. Perhaps more of these projects could help with getting people used to it.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 16:46, 19 November 2006 (CST)

Bad Links

Robert:

These are links for web feeds - these allow appropriately enabled programs to 'read' what changes are being made to the site and alert individuals who are watching those programs. I have used these in the past, but don't currently. These links aren't broken, they just don't display properly in the browser you are using. You can read more about these feeds at en:Atom (standard) and en:RSS (file format). These links are built-in to MediaWiki.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 13:10, 30 November 2006 (CST)

Translation

Robert:

You just made a change to your translation at Archive:Hereford CRO, Elizabeth Jones alias Whitney, 1601 for the name of "Elinor llores". When I read this name, I see "Elinor llorde", but then again, you've spent more time with these records.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 08:52, 1 December 2006 (CST)

Quick Links

Robert:

Yesterday I got tired of trying to quickly find the page for the PCC wills. I'd rather type in a quick title like PCC in the search box than try to navigate through our menus when i am quickly trying to find something. So to make it easier, I created a page named PCC which is simply a redirect to the archive page for the PCC wills. I wanted to let you know about this shortcut in case you had other pages that you'd like to do the same thing for.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 09:38, 1 December 2006 (CST)

Email

Robert:

Check the email I just sent re: Southern Whitneys. I'm interested in if you think my theory holds ground or not.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 21:56, 3 December 2006 (CST)

Census Update

Robert: We're one step closer - all of the 1880 Census Extract pages have been imported. Now just the 1880 index pages to do.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 10:50, 14 December 2006 (CST)

Sideways Links

Robert:

We could add the sideways links, but I'm not sure how many people would benefit from it, especially with the amount of effort it would take to add them, and then to keep them all up to date.

Yes, I have been watching you go through all of those pages! Quite an effort! There are so many things we could do here, but I try to keep focused on things that I enjoy doing - it's a hobby after all! Sometimes I am excited about a large project, and other times (especially when I have been working on large projects at work), I don't want to touch a large project. I've done a little bit of organizing of the Phoenix project, getting ready to start that up again, which you may have noticed. I think it'd be good to finally have all of the web conversion projects completed so we could jump on to just the new projects.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 19:09, 15 December 2006 (CST)

1880 Census

Robert:

The census records have all been converted, uploaded, and integrated with the index page.

I now have two remaining projects from the website conversion:

1. Phoenix
2. Pierce - add/update location categories.

For Pierce, are we referring to adding and updating location categories on the actual Pierce transcripts, or on the family group sheets? I don't think adding potentially dozens of location categories per Pierce page would be particularly beneficial, especially since our transcriptions are five book pages per website page. Also, since all of the Pierce info has been converted to family groups, I would think that adding them there would be sufficient. Thoughts? If we do decide to add the categories on the family group pages and not on the Pierce transcript pages, I'll move this item to the WRG Projects page, leaving just Phoenix remaining from the website conversion.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 16:04, 16 December 2006 (CST)

1880 Census All page

Robert:

I've finished the 1880 Combined Census Index - it was too large for the wiki to handle, so I split it up by letter. I think we're done with the census conversion!

Other items on our list:

• USS Constitution - didn't we decide not to migrate this over?
• Phoenix - still to do
• Add localities to Andaleens pages - shoudl this be part of the website conversion, or moved to the WRG projects page?

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 19:24, 16 December 2006 (CST)

Phoenix Page Name Format

Robert:

My plan is one page per page. Not only will this be easier to code, easier to link to what you want to, etc., but it also increases our page count. There is a list of the largest wikis and this website doesn't meet the minimum count. We're at about 6200 and the minimum is currently 8700. I'd like to make it to that list eventually.

I like the format [[Archive:The Whitney Family of Connecticut, page 99]], and you're right, we'll have to do somethign with the index.

Did you see the note I added to the top of the article?

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 17:25, 21 December 2006 (CST)

New Users

Robert:

Thank you for noticing this and for bringing it to my attention. This was caused by a change I made to the new user template back on 12/3. I have corrected that and the user pages of each new user who has joined since that date.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 09:12, 24 December 2006 (CST)

Article Notes and Issues

Robert:

Regarding my comment about sourcing the 2nd pedigree in the article, I just want to make sure that we haven't included anything there that is not supported by the documents we have referenced. For example, I do not see anywhere in the Harleian manuscripts that state how John (of Gorsington) connects to the Whitneys of Whitney, yet we're using that to support our contention that the list of heirs proves where our line fits. Yes, when you look at all of the facts together it fits, but the article sounds as though that connection has been previously proven.

> I've also considered the Issues carefully. I can't really answer any of them, so to include statements to that effect...

I didn't intend for the issues to be included in the article, only that they be thought about before publication. I wanted for us to be prepared should these issues be questioned after publication.

> All I'm waiting for is the original pedigrees from England, and I'll submit the article.

Yes, I am anxiously awaiting the documents. As soon as they arrive, I'll let you know.

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 10:24, 26 December 2006 (CST)

Main Page Changes

Robert:

Thank you re: the comment about the main page subtitle. I just realized that the main page banner has been for a long time! That is typically used for short periods of time for important announcements, etc. I've now moved that content to the top of the right column, as I think most people have seen it and can still find it there. Now that that has been moved, the main page looks a little bland without that bright orange. I think I'll give it a day or two to see if I get used to it. I may work on it a bit more though.

Thanks!

- Tim Doyle - Talk to me 13:15, 27 December 2006 (CST)

Hello

AFTER FINDING MY WHITNEY ROOTS ONLY A FEW MONTHS AGO(I AM A 40YR OLD ADOPTEE) I HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS SITE CLOSELY.MY BIRTHMOTHER IS FRANCES WHITNEY(GREAT GRANDDAUGHTER OF EDWARD KENDALL WHITNEY.FOR CHRISTMAS FRANCES GAVE ME A BOOK MADE BY HER ALL ABOUT MY ANCESTORS.ALSO IN THE BOOK ARE PICTURES OF EDWARD KENDALL WHITNEY AND HIS FAMILY AND HIS FARM WHICH OF COURSE I WOULD LOVE TO SHARE WITH THE SITE.

I WAS EDITTING EKW PAGE ONLY A LITTLE CONCERNING FRANCES GRANDFATHER DR HARRISON WHITNEY.

MY BOOK SHOWS EDWARD KENDALL WHITNEYS MOTHER AS FREEMAN WHITNEYS SECOND WIFE (MELINDA PACKARD TRAFTON)WHO HASNT BEEN MENTIONED AT ALL ON THIS SITE.I REALLY DONT WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING TO THIS PAGE WITHOUT BEING ABSOLUTELY SURE.cAN ANYONE HELP? THANK YOU-MIKE HEUSER